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"These kids are inheriting hatred and evil from the shitty previous generation." My guy, you just pinpointed one of the greatest themes of not only this story, but the main one as well. You guys are so thoughtful. Easily becoming my fav reactors hahah.
What an intricate concept to grasp......
I think it is wrong to say that Alicent is like Cersei. Cersei would be so happy what Larys did, but Alicent shocked when she heard what he did. Also Cersei plays dirty, she is so cruel against the enemies of her. On the other hand, Alicent loves to play decency card, she loves to follow the rules and behave like a decent lady unlike Cersei.
EXACTLY! Alicent is such a complex and interesting character, I swear
Alicent is the opposite of Cersei and Cole is the opposite of Jaime. An interesting pair.
Cersei was very cold hearted. Very similar to Tywin, in the ruthlessness department, I think.
At this point I’m getting numb on the hate team green gets, team black gets only love, even though the whole point is everyone has a shade of grey.
it's not wrong. there are definitely parallels to be drawn here. they're not the same, but they are alike in some ways.
22:26 That line of dialogue Helaena, only people who have read the book can understand!
Or if you saw the trailer
Im liking this vibes of Heleana being similar to Daenys who forsaken the fall of Valyria... Im liking it A LOT
I got chills when I first saw that scene!
Not a book reader but I understood.
I just watched ep 7 and came back to watch their reaction and the way I GASPED 😳 I didn't catch it the first time I watched it 🤯
Dragons are not inherited they're claimed
This, and with Game of Thrones you always have to expect the worst possible outcome. ^^
I definitely feel Rheynera arguing with Leynor, she isn't mad is sucking swords and doing his thing, she saying you don't get to stop being a part of the deal when it's convenient for him. He got the good parts of the deal just as much as the bad
The deal was that they’d do their duty and produce an heir. He was the son of the richest man n the realm. He could have done whatever he wanted without her. She’s spoiled.
@@CatotheE Cleary Lheanor is the one who is spoiled as all he wants to do is drink and fuck. He is taking on none of the responsibility. The deal is so he can be king, but he is not taking any of the political responsibility of being an heir.
@@CatotheE the deal was THEY would do their duty, after a what like 10 year time skip I think it's pretty unfair to just say it's solely EITHER of them at fault. (Not that she isn't spoiled) Point being as I said before, you don't get to live up all the good parts of any deal and run away when the bad parts are coming.
@@matthewferguson7474 I think it's entirely fair. Rhaenyra chose to have those bastards.
@@CatotheE So where is the scene that she tells Leynor he isn't allowed to put babies in her, I missed that
the queen who never was is actually supposed to have black hair because she is half barathon but they changed it to make it easier in the show but yeah a targearan and a valerion should have blonde hair so i get why alicent is so pissed that there doing this so openly
But there are exceptions in nature as Viserys says. So it's not so openly.
@@happilyevernever4289 and Jon Snow has black hair as well.
Remember Alicents was the first who betrayed Rhaenyra by flirting her dad and then became queen.
Poor Lyonel Strong, he got Ned Starked so hard. Proves the point that honor and family values have no place in this fucking continent
@asonofclay. 1ofmany at least Ned got 10 episodes lol
When they left Alicent after she had the baby she said that if he would do his duty ( give heirs ) that this wouldn't be an issue. My assumption is that Leanor cannot perform that duty with her. I understand why she needed to have heirs, and why she went about it the way that she did.
We don’t see them but cheers to those Maesters for keeping the king alive for 10 years damn
It's actually more like Mellos died and Viserys finally got better care lol
@@AllTheArtsy probably recommended by his hand Lyonel Strong too before he died in this episode.
laena's dragon is aegon the conquerors's sister/wifes (Visenya) dragon, she is also the current biggest dragon.
Vhagar.
Alicent is doing to her son what her father did to her.
wow, didn't think of that before
Just because Aegon has no desire to be heir/king in the end doesn't really matter. If there are powerful house/lords that want to use him to go against Rhaenyra and her claim, in the end it's still war and blood regardless of what Aegon wants. The fact that he exist gives others to use him as a rallying point and cause for an opposition faction.
In history this has happened many times. And it's because of this that those in power will kill all those that have a potential claim - regardless if they are seeking it or not. If their are no contenders alive, their position is guaranteed. But even if they were to imprision any potential rivals, there's always a chance things might change, and just their mere existance could promote violence. It's sad but this has happened over and over in history. Even a recent example of Tsar Nicholas' family shows how people will just go to murder as the answer.
Exactly! I don't know how others don't understand this.
Not to mention that Rhaenyra's kids are bastards
Even if Aegon didn’t want the throne, Lords and Knights will take up arms in his name for him to become king just to spite and remove Rhaenyra. He is a living banner for those who want to rebel against Rhaenyra to rally around. He doesn’t have to do anything and this will happen.
It never mattered what Aegon wanted. He was seen as a figure head by his 'allies' and as an easily controlled puppet by his grandfather.
Hightowers of Oldtown were from the Reach; Reach is the symbols of Royalty, ( a bastard child for them is BIG "NO no")
The Hightowers are;
Former kings
Founder of the Maesters,
Founder of The Church (Faith of Seven)- this explains why alicent is so conservative (duty and honor)..
-They have a city (Oldtown) that can rival the capital Kingslanding.
-they created the weapon called "wildfire" (greenflame)..
-Ancient and formidable..
Viserys says knight because Rhaenyra already has 2 other sons
Everyone after e6: Viserys is crumbling into dust.
Viserys: I haven't even BEGUN to crumble into dust.
Rhaenyra proposing a marriage between her son and Helaena is a huge offense to Alicent since both knows Jace is Harwin Strong's bastard son. For a viewer that might mean nothing, but these are Westerosi people, not 2022 westerners, their values are different.
Don't forget what Argilac did when Aegon offered his bastard brother to his daughter, he cut the messenger's hand off, basically starting the war, it was a huge offense.
Rhaenyra is in the wrong, if her goal was to save lives, she'd give up her claim to the throne, not offer one of her bastards to true-born Helaena.
Yea, no. Rhaenyra's kids are trueborn and Alicent rather watch the world burn than let Rhaenyra win.
@@kingad8869 Even her first son who's 8 knows he's a bastard and you're in denial?
@@kingad8869 that is not how succession work .if the children are bastards they dont have a claim to the throne
@@adedayooyegunju828 They aren't bastards. They are trueborn Velayeons backed by both parents. Alicent's opinions don't matter.
@@kingad8869 Inverse that, if it a male who had the bastards they would not be in line for the throne same for ryhnaerea. It is good you are picking sides it shows the show is doing a great job in making people choose a side. On rynaerea offering to marry her son to helena,it doesn't actually affect aegon and aemond's claim to the throne rynaerea wanted to use that chance to legitimise her son and why will alicent allow that if it gets out that jace is a bastard then her daughter's future would be bound to him- a bastard which means death or at the very least exile.
I'm wondering if Rhaynera wanted to try for a legitimate heir but Laenor refused to do the deed? 🤔
Finally someone reasons this way 😌. Laenor is clearly unbothered by the children which says something. If he was willing to sleep with her,I am sure they wouldn’t be in this situation. He is gay🙄
@@damilolaonanusi2323 I just think they should've gotten drunk and tried, it would've saved them a lot of trouble to just have one legitimate heir 😭
The thing is, their second born son would be the future lord of Driftmark, and he's a bastard. I don't think Corlys would accept that at all. So I'm sure he would have done something about that ensuring that they had a kid, unless Rhaenyra just didn't care.
32:53 NICE! I thought I was the only one who understood that lol. I think Laena was a strong match for Daemon. Daemon actually did love her imo. Daemon’s actually content with Laena AND staying in pentos. Hence why he considered the offer. To stay in pentos with their dragons and scare away any looming threats.
I like that all the characters have colors and none of them are black and white, full evil or full good
@toyina kumanya yeah that guy is pure evil...
I saw a UA-cam interview clip of George Rr martin saying which Targaryen is his fav and its Deamon really wanna see where his character goes been enjoying these reaction/reviews.
I think you are unfair with Alicent, she have true reasons to fear for her children lives at this point. She knows she can't trust Rhaenyra after she lied on her mother's memory.
EDIT - Ok I listened to your analysis at the end of the episode and you are a little more fair towards her at the end. Alicent is a much more nuanced character than Cersei.
I honestly don’t understand those who crap all over Rhaenyra while bending over backwards to defend Alicent. The things Alicent does are absolutely inexcusable no matter how you slice it. Rhaenyra lies to her about being an “unspoiled” maiden and suddenly she has a never ending, never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred towards her? That’s insanity.
I felt so bad for Alicent in the beginning. Her father forced her into an extremely stressful and uncomfortable situation. She had to marry the king and pump out children. She had to come to his chambers in the evening when beaconed and lie there as the ever more decrepit king climbed on her. When she found out that Rhaenyra had lied to her and had sex with Criston Cole (once mind you), her jealousy and resentment skyrocketed. She had done her “duty” and what she was told…what she was told to do by her father, by the king, and by the culture/society she was raised in. She instantly decided to wear green and declare war upon Rhaenyra…and yes the king…her husband. I thought she was all about doing what was “right” and dutiful? She’s supposed to be the king’s wife first and foremost…and then her father’s daughter.
Alicent did not then confront Rhaenyra and have it out with her…but instead held onto her resentment, bitterness, and hatred for her “friend” for over a decade. I understand her being upset with Rhaenyra for not telling her the truth and even for making a stupid mistake in her eyes. I get it…but I don’t at all get her holding onto all that hatred for over a decade without ever even saying anything to Rhaenyra. She held onto her bitterness, resentment, and hatred…and did everything in her power possible to make Rhaenyra’s and her children’s lives miserable. Alicent also made sure that her children and Criston Cole harbored her ire and hatred for Rhaenyra and her children too. She raised two terrible sons and instilled no decent values, integrity, nor principles in them beyond hating her “friend” and her children and desiring the throne.
Beyond all that, Alicent took down all of the Targaryen artwork, iconography, and historical artifacts in the castle and replaced them with puritanical crap from the Faith of the Seven. Again, how is this being “dutiful” and true to the king? See, Alicent was anxious, stressed, repressed, and longed for a different set of circumstances for herself in the beginning. She had every right to be upset about it. Her father manipulated and forced her into an extremely uncomfortable situation and life she didn’t really want. The cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy in which she was raised made her feel she had to be dutiful…and honestly, she had very little to no choice of her own along the way. Yet she didn’t attempt to change any of it for the better…not even in the slightest. She didn’t raise her children, especially her sons, to respect women and people in general and didn’t instill a sense of kindness, openness, and decency within them either. Instead, Alicent has reenforced the crappy cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy that forced her into a life she didn’t really want. It’s even worse than that though…because she hasn’t just reenforced it, she’s made it more puritanical and oppressive for others.
Alicent has spent a decade (plus) reenforcing and worsening the crap system, raising terrible sons that share her resentment/hatred, and doing everything possible to make Rhaenyra and her children’s lives miserable. Imagine what good she could have done if she had instead focused all that energy she spent in hating and resenting her “friend” and instead put it into making positive changes and raising decent sons.
Rhaenyra, despite her mistakes, has raised decent children. Her “mistakes” weren’t brought about because of her resentment, hatred, and jealousy. She hasn’t gone out of her way to harm and harass anyone. She has simply tried to live a life she can bare while keeping up appearances. She has dared buck against the unjust system and make the best of her circumstances…and because of this, Alicent has done everything in her power to destroy Rhaenyra and her children. Alicent’s behavior is absolutely inexcusable compared to Rhaenyra’s. If Rhaenyra were a prince, no one would really care at all if they were having extramarital activities. Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything truly wrong…except for lying to her “friend”…but seeing how Alicent has behaved, telling her the truth would have done no good. Beyond that, Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything wrong. She might have made what some consider unwise choices and made things more difficult for herself…but the overwhelming majority of the problems she faces are because of Alicent and her never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred…all because Alicent is a jealous, petty little child that has never grown up.
Nope, it's not justified. To say that Rhaenyra is likely to kill for it. Alicent later gets a grim exposition that it was actually her father who was thinking of killing Rhaenyra for the throne to begin with. That's like a slap in the face.
@@zerotunzend3182 Alicent had an unfulfilling marraige, she was pimped out so young by her own father. Forced to give birth to Viserys's children. Her dad lost his position at court and then later finds out it was all for naught coz Rhaenyra lied. Making her feel all alone. So no wonder she chanelled too much hatred for Rhaenyra. It also didn't help that others were manipulating her also. But that was the breaking point. She was jealous and felt alone and grew bitter about being treated with such little regard.
@@happilyevernever4289 Rhaenyra didn’t LIE she said she didn’t do anything sexually with Daemon - she wasn’t asked about Cristan Cole.
Laozi wrote about the honor police ~2600 years ago:
_The kind man does something,_
_yet something remains undone._
_The just man does something,_
_and leaves many things to be done._
_The moral man does something,_
_and when no one responds_
_he rolls up his sleeves and uses force._
the sister made a prediction about her brother has to lose an eye before he gets a dragon, she must be a prodigy or dreamer.
Aegon is just acting like a teenager boy with siblings, no malice just having fun. you see when alicen talks to him.
It's interesting that he didn't seem to have any ill will towards his nephews up to this point but with the way his mother kept telling her children that Aegon WILL be King...a clash was coming whether Aegon wanted it or not.
There's something important here that I feel you guys are not considering: I don't think Rhaenyra just wants to fuck around, I think Laenor can't perform, if you catch my drift (I'm gay, I'm sure I couldn't perform with a woman, sorry for the overt example). So Rhaenyra is thinking "well, I need an heir but my husband cannot give me one, so Harwin Strong it is". No, it's not smart, but I don't think Rhaenyra has many options. If Laenor could give her true heirs, I think she would gladly take the offer and then go fuck around with her lover and take moon tea to avoid having his children (like Cersei taking moon tea every time Robert took her, but in her case it was out of spite because she hated Robert)
Then she should have let it pass on to Aegon.
@@CatotheE why should she renounce to her inheritance because she was forced to marry a gay dude?
@@V_i_vi_an That isn’t renouncing it. That’s not messing up the succession. She can rule and pass it off to her half brother afterwards. There’s some other stuff related to this that she does, but. I can’t talk about it yet.
I’m not even convinced that he couldn’t finish. Have you ever been with a woman and stayed soft while inside her?
@@CatotheE yes, I've tried being with a woman, I had a girlfriend exactly because I wanted to please my family and I was fooling myself. I couldn't perform. There are guys who are capable of it, after all sexuality is a spectrum, Laenor probably is the type that find women 0% arousing.
@@V_i_vi_an because it’s the right thing to do legally and morally? Bastards cannnot inherit in westeros it is law, her children are Targaryen bastards but still bastards. She could have ruled and named aegon as heir. She got herself into this situation and could have prevented war.
That speech in the end was wonderful
Alicent is totally right about Aegon being a threat for Rhaenyra's sucession.
Yep, totally. Some lords would still have sided with him and that would have endanger his position and life...even if he himself, like he said, doesn't want to be a threat to Rhaenyra. I think Alicent is clearly paranoid about this possibilities and I can't blame her
This episode was definitely the most GoT of any episode. Very good.
A lot of people point out that Jaecerys, Lucerys, and Joffrey are still half-Targaryen and so they still have a claim. But even if Rhaenyra becomes queen… Well here’s a question: ignoring Cersei’s kids, who has the rightful claim; Gendry, or Stannis? Alicent is not so much Cersei as some people compare her to, but rather Stannis. Stannis could marry Shireen and Gendry in that scenario, but he’d never wed his daughter to a bastard. That’s who Stannis and Alicent are. Rules and rights.
By law a bastard cannot inherit. The kids have no actual right to the throne as they are bastards, even if they are Targaryen bastards. They are stealing Aegons birthright as he would be the next heir legally after rheanyra since they cannot inherit. Rheanyra dropped the ball here.
@@neneray310 The only way would be to admite it and legitimaze them, but that would ruin her reputation and cost her several potential allies (even the few ones she already has), it´s a lose-lose for Rhaenyra and the only way to get out of it is convencing Allicent (miss honor and decensy) to join her lies
They would benhalf targaryen if they were Velarions, but since they aren't... They are not half Targaryen, they are full bastards.
@@neneray310 And how can Alicent or anybody else prove them to be bastards? The only way they can be labelled as bastards is if Laenor deny them to be his, or Rhaenyra himself exposing them to be bastards. It's the same way how King Edward IV was rumored to be a bastard but nobody can prove it to be as only his mother Cecily Neville, Dowager Duchess of York can confirm.
And what is the law? The is what the king or queen regnant chooses it to be. Rhaenyra is the lawful heir, not Aegon. It is not about Jacaerys vs Aegon, it's all about Rhaenyra vs Aegon.
@@mr.googoopants3581 but they are obviously bastards rheanyra knows fucking with matters of successions ends up with war. This right here is her adding gasoline to the sparks.
There some photos of daemon and he's daughter's cut from this episode and there's a scene of daemon stole a dragon egg I wander if that's scene from episode 2 and they also cut it and I was so stupidly excited for that scene and I was waiting and wondering any episode will show up.
Ur first thought from alicents comment was racism 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for being a kind of youtuber that does analyze the videos not like some of the reactors out there with very minimal output and has the audacity to ask for subscribers. God bless to you!
I think Rhaenyra is angry with Laenor because he didn't want to have sex with Rhaenyra, that's why she had a relation with Harwin. The death of Joffrey probably made it hard for Laenor to do his duty with Laenor.
Rhaenyra made an agreement that he could pursue men because he is gay, thats why she had to make heirs with someone else while still being married to Laenor, it was all an agreement. She can’t have kids with a gay man lol. Thats why she said they could “dine as they pleased”
@@empysan yeah, everyone seems to forget that laenor is gay😒. What was rhaenyra supposed to do ? Stay celibate for 10 years ? While laenor gets to sleep with whichever guy he wants to🙄
@@damilolaonanusi2323 yeah like what was she supposed to do? Do it forcefully with Laenor as people already claims that she coerced with Cole when Cole freaking chose to break his oath.
@@damilolaonanusi2323 She agreed to it lol she picked her husband, remember?
@@aj897 she didn’t pick her husband. The king demanded she marry laenor to solve some political issues with corlys and also because of the rumor with daemon then.
Lol 😂 I love these reactions
And have noticed on first notification the copyright problem is for mostly all reactions
Idk how some other channels get it all out without opacity or blur and no copyright
I've seen surprisingly many reactors call targeryan "blond" hair... wtf is going on? are they all colorblind? call it white or silver, blonds=yellow are the lannister for instance, sometimes even used as synonymous to refer to the lannister in the got universe so it makes all sort of confusion.
Genes don't follow the mother or the father more, it's exactly 50-50. It doesn't matter if it's in Westeros or real life, it's the same.
It wasn't because Robert was male that the children had his hair, but because the Baratheons specifically have strong genes, in the books Rhaenys the Queen Who Never Was has dark hair because her mother was a Baratheon.
Another example, in the books out of all 5 of Ned's children, only Arya looks like him, all other 4 look like Catelyn, with bright blue eyes and auburn hair.
It just happens that Alicent got 4 out of 4 with silver hair and Rhaenyra got none, however it's worth pointing out that Viserys has more Valyrian blood than Rhaenyra and silver hair, for whatever reason, seems to run in the Hightower family ( just like with the Daynes ), Margaery Tyrell's mother is a Hightower and she has silver hair, and Jorah's ex was a Hightower with blonde hair and according to Jorah looked like Daenerys.
The phenotype can vary wildly, though. A child can most certainly look almost entirely like one parent and very little like the other. Also, there's recessivity and dominance to take into account too. Dark features are generally considered more dominant, at least if the genetics there is anything similar to in our world, whereas the features of Valyrians are more akin to the recessive traits that lead to certain genes malfunctioning and not producing pigment; in fact, completely white hair would have to be extremely recessive, bordering on albinism, and the purple eyes would point to similar, something between the blue eyes that are already quite recessive and the reddish eyes of albinos due to the total lack of pigmentation making the blood vessels more visible. Valyrians are essentially borderline albinos as they are described in the books, or at least the ones most obsessed with bloodlines (such as the dragonlords, including the Targaryens); they don't seem to experience the common symptoms generally associated with such, though, possibly because...well, _magic_ obviously.
@@hoon_sol Valyrians have nothing to do with albinos, there was actually a Targaryen albino, Brynden Rivers the Bloodraven, he was an albino son of Aegon the Unworthy.
People in real life have platinum blond hair too, it's common among blond children, in fact Aegon as a child in the show wasn't wearing any wigs, they just got a blond kid to play him, but adults can have it too, violet eyes also exists, though extremely rare.
It's not exactly 50-50 lmao, take a university level class that includes studying human genetics
@@aj897:
Depends. If you're a woman, you do in fact get exactly 50% of your DNA from each parent. Even if you're a man, you're still inheriting between 49-51% from each parent. In other word, sounds more like you're the one who should take yourself up on that offer and take a basic biology course or two.
@@reinsaxony4623:
Their traits as described in the books are extremely reminiscent of what you'd get if you've been inbreeding for so long that you're getting borderline albino traits. Brynden being an actual albino makes a lot of sense in that context, it's just taking the traits to their extreme.
Talking about people in real life with such hair is also meaningless, because having such hair as children before pigmentation begins properly doesn't prove anything, and the only adults which naturally have such hair are people living at extreme latitudes where such mutations would have been able to survive, e.g. Iceland.
Nothing you just said really contradicts anything I wrote, and I maintain that Valyrian traits are borderline albinism due to a ton of inbreeding.
Alicent goes overboard to do what she views as the honorable thing, almost obsessedwith religious morals, it would not surprise me if she confesses someday that if her dad hadn't pushed her into marriage with the king that she would've instead become a septa.
Alicent isn't even as dutiful and honorable as she pretends to be. Her "friend" lies to her, so she decides to put on green and declare war on Rhaenyra...and yes the king. She also eventually takes down all the Targaryen artwork, iconography, and artifacts and replace them with the Faith of the Seven crap. She's supposed to be the king's wife first and foremost...and loyal to him before her father and hometown. Oh...and later on, she gets info from the club-footed guy while she shows him her feet and he wanks off. She's so damn hypocritical it's not even funny.
Lol i don't think she's too religious. I think most times it is a front.
Honestly you're being kind of naive for hating on alicent for pushing her son to be more politically ambitious. It doesn't matter what he wants or what she wants. It matters what the people want.
This was a big problem with monarchy. When the king pissed off enough people, people would immediately try to get rid of him and replace him with the next person with a legitimate enough claim to the throne. Usually a brother.
I like hearing your discussion actually, you guys have a lot to say and it’s interesting. I actually don’t mind when you pause during the episode. Keep it up! 👍
Cripplefinger is really something else
Nice hair day for Carson
Alicent is hypocritical, she is angry with rhaenyra just because she lied to her if she was the first to lie to her that she secretly saw viserys she and her father started everything now they want to take the throne from rhaenyra so that's why teamblack 🖤🔥
Worst take I've ever seen, Alicent was forced to marry the king by her father, Rhaenyra chose her husband. If you support Rhaenyra, you probably have the same spoiled brat mentality as her.
I honestly don’t understand those who crap all over Rhaenyra while bending over backwards to defend Alicent. The things Alicent does are absolutely inexcusable no matter how you slice it. Rhaenyra lies to her about being an “unspoiled” maiden and suddenly she has a never ending, never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred towards her? That’s insanity.
I felt so bad for Alicent in the beginning. Her father forced her into an extremely stressful and uncomfortable situation. She had to marry the king and pump out children. She had to come to his chambers in the evening when beaconed and lie there as the ever more decrepit king climbed on her. When she found out that Rhaenyra had lied to her and had sex with Criston Cole (once mind you), her jealousy and resentment skyrocketed. She had done her “duty” and what she was told…what she was told to do by her father, by the king, and by the culture/society she was raised in. She instantly decided to wear green and declare war upon Rhaenyra…and yes the king…her husband. I thought she was all about doing what was “right” and dutiful? She’s supposed to be the king’s wife first and foremost…and then her father’s daughter.
Alicent did not then confront Rhaenyra and have it out with her…but instead held onto her resentment, bitterness, and hatred for her “friend” for over a decade. I understand her being upset with Rhaenyra for not telling her the truth and even for making a stupid mistake in her eyes. I get it…but I don’t at all get her holding onto all that hatred for over a decade without ever even saying anything to Rhaenyra. She held onto her bitterness, resentment, and hatred…and did everything in her power possible to make Rhaenyra’s and her children’s lives miserable. Alicent also made sure that her children and Criston Cole harbored her ire and hatred for Rhaenyra and her children too. She raised two terrible sons and instilled no decent values, integrity, nor principles in them beyond hating her “friend” and her children and desiring the throne.
Beyond all that, Alicent took down all of the Targaryen artwork, iconography, and historical artifacts in the castle and replaced them with puritanical crap from the Faith of the Seven. Again, how is this being “dutiful” and true to the king? See, Alicent was anxious, stressed, repressed, and longed for a different set of circumstances for herself in the beginning. She had every right to be upset about it. Her father manipulated and forced her into an extremely uncomfortable situation and life she didn’t really want. The cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy in which she was raised made her feel she had to be dutiful…and honestly, she had very little to no choice of her own along the way. Yet she didn’t attempt to change any of it for the better…not even in the slightest. She didn’t raise her children, especially her sons, to respect women and people in general and didn’t instill a sense of kindness, openness, and decency within them either. Instead, Alicent has reenforced the crappy cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy that forced her into a life she didn’t really want. It’s even worse than that though…because she hasn’t just reenforced it, she’s made it more puritanical and oppressive for others.
Alicent has spent a decade (plus) reenforcing and worsening the crap system, raising terrible sons that share her resentment/hatred, and doing everything possible to make Rhaenyra and her children’s lives miserable. Imagine what good she could have done if she had instead focused all that energy she spent in hating and resenting her “friend” and instead put it into making positive changes and raising decent sons.
Rhaenyra, despite her mistakes, has raised decent children. Her “mistakes” weren’t brought about because of her resentment, hatred, and jealousy. She hasn’t gone out of her way to harm and harass anyone. She has simply tried to live a life she can bare while keeping up appearances. She has dared buck against the unjust system and make the best of her circumstances…and because of this, Alicent has done everything in her power to destroy Rhaenyra and her children. Alicent’s behavior is absolutely inexcusable compared to Rhaenyra’s. If Rhaenyra were a prince, no one would really care at all if they were having extramarital activities. Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything truly wrong…except for lying to her “friend”…but seeing how Alicent has behaved, telling her the truth would have done no good. Beyond that, Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything wrong. She might have made what some consider unwise choices and made things more difficult for herself…but the overwhelming majority of the problems she faces are because of Alicent and her never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred…all because Alicent is a jealous, petty little child that has never grown up.
I really like that you guys called out Rhaenyra's flaws as well. I mostly see, from reading/watching reactions that Rhaenyra can do no wrong, and its all "evil Alicent". I do think Alicent isn't totally wrong in trying to show Aegon that he will be a threat. Even if he doesn't want it, just by living and breathing he could be seen as one.
I honestly don’t understand those who crap all over Rhaenyra while bending over backwards to defend Alicent. The things Alicent does are absolutely inexcusable no matter how you slice it. Rhaenyra lies to her about being an “unspoiled” maiden and suddenly she has a never ending, never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred towards her? That’s insanity.
I felt so bad for Alicent in the beginning. Her father forced her into an extremely stressful and uncomfortable situation. She had to marry the king and pump out children. She had to come to his chambers in the evening when beaconed and lie there as the ever more decrepit king climbed on her. When she found out that Rhaenyra had lied to her and had sex with Criston Cole (once mind you), her jealousy and resentment skyrocketed. She had done her “duty” and what she was told…what she was told to do by her father, by the king, and by the culture/society she was raised in. She instantly decided to wear green and declare war upon Rhaenyra…and yes the king…her husband. I thought she was all about doing what was “right” and dutiful? She’s supposed to be the king’s wife first and foremost…and then her father’s daughter.
Alicent did not then confront Rhaenyra and have it out with her…but instead held onto her resentment, bitterness, and hatred for her “friend” for over a decade. I understand her being upset with Rhaenyra for not telling her the truth and even for making a stupid mistake in her eyes. I get it…but I don’t at all get her holding onto all that hatred for over a decade without ever even saying anything to Rhaenyra. She held onto her bitterness, resentment, and hatred…and did everything in her power possible to make Rhaenyra’s and her children’s lives miserable. Alicent also made sure that her children and Criston Cole harbored her ire and hatred for Rhaenyra and her children too. She raised two terrible sons and instilled no decent values, integrity, nor principles in them beyond hating her “friend” and her children and desiring the throne.
Beyond all that, Alicent took down all of the Targaryen artwork, iconography, and historical artifacts in the castle and replaced them with puritanical crap from the Faith of the Seven. Again, how is this being “dutiful” and true to the king? See, Alicent was anxious, stressed, repressed, and longed for a different set of circumstances for herself in the beginning. She had every right to be upset about it. Her father manipulated and forced her into an extremely uncomfortable situation and life she didn’t really want. The cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy in which she was raised made her feel she had to be dutiful…and honestly, she had very little to no choice of her own along the way. Yet she didn’t attempt to change any of it for the better…not even in the slightest. She didn’t raise her children, especially her sons, to respect women and people in general and didn’t instill a sense of kindness, openness, and decency within them either. Instead, Alicent has reenforced the crappy cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy that forced her into a life she didn’t really want. It’s even worse than that though…because she hasn’t just reenforced it, she’s made it more puritanical and oppressive for others.
Alicent has spent a decade (plus) reenforcing and worsening the crap system, raising terrible sons that share her resentment/hatred, and doing everything possible to make Rhaenyra and her children’s lives miserable. Imagine what good she could have done if she had instead focused all that energy she spent in hating and resenting her “friend” and instead put it into making positive changes and raising decent sons.
Rhaenyra, despite her mistakes, has raised decent children. Her “mistakes” weren’t brought about because of her resentment, hatred, and jealousy. She hasn’t gone out of her way to harm and harass anyone. She has simply tried to live a life she can bare while keeping up appearances. She has dared buck against the unjust system and make the best of her circumstances…and because of this, Alicent has done everything in her power to destroy Rhaenyra and her children. Alicent’s behavior is absolutely inexcusable compared to Rhaenyra’s. If Rhaenyra were a prince, no one would really care at all if they were having extramarital activities. Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything truly wrong…except for lying to her “friend”…but seeing how Alicent has behaved, telling her the truth would have done no good. Beyond that, Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything wrong. She might have made what some consider unwise choices and made things more difficult for herself…but the overwhelming majority of the problems she faces are because of Alicent and her never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred…all because Alicent is a jealous, petty little child that has never grown up.
So please tell me what Rhaenyra has done that's so wrong...especially compared to Alicent.
No Alicent is wrong about that. She shouldn't have poisoned Aegon against his own sister. When there was absolutely no proof Rhaenyra to be so heartless as to kinslay at that point in time.
You didn't noticed guys, Daemon was jealous when Laena told him that Rhaenyra delivers another boy. He suddenly changes his mood. Still longing for Rhaenyra.
in the book it made more sense as Rheanrya's mom had black hair
No, Rheanys has black hair in the book, not Rheanyra's mother
Viserys was right, though. Rhaenyra's kids had Harwing's nose, too many things to ignore
I think all the kids having brown hair and fair skin is potentially more believable than if one kid had brown hair and fair skin, and the rest looked like Laenor.
So perhaps Rhaenyra screwed up and the first one was Harwin's. Then from there, it's in for a penny in for pound.
Was literally thinking the opposite
He looks older than he really is. Also the King didn't want any cures, he accepted this as a punishment for what he put his wife through.
Aegon claim is actually the strongest. He is the first born son of the King. Nothing can be stronger than that and most Lord's in 7 King's agree on that.
That's according to westrosi customs the Targaryens are valyrians they can do as they please the problem was the infighting not the opinion of the Lord's because most of the Lord's actually stay loyal to rhaenyra and her claim
@@hokagedlo6133 Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't the valyrian's laws of succesion the same as the westerosi? (Don't remember if that was stated in the books)
@@hectormiranda1088 yes they were the same. That’s why aegon the conqueror was lord of dragonstone and not Visenya, who was two years older
@@hectormiranda1088 it's never mentioned not that I can recall anyway, but that would be my assumption also, unlike westros however women were empowered in valyria especially dragon lords, rhaenys Aegons I wife was natoruous for being a harlot it's rumored that aenys and his line aren't even Aegon's true born sons. There's a reason both Daemon and viserys supported the idea they truly didn't care like we see westrosi people like alicent and Cole do
@@hectormiranda1088no they weren't. That is Targaryans and the rest of westoros had to come to a mutual agreement. The Targaryans adopted Westorosi customs as long as it didn't stop them from following their own valyrian customs. That's why they technically can have more spouses or marry their own. That is the struggle between the Targaryan rule vs lords of westoros. These differences caused a lot of strife.
I don't think Laenor can 'perform' with Rhaenyra, so yeah. Her options are very limited.
Alicent, despite not being particular wrong about people challenging Rhaenyra's claim... is till being a bad mother to force this on a kid who clearly doesn't care. It's clear that she just has a vendetta against Rhaenyra (even 10 years after, despite her also marrying Rhaenyra's father behind her back.)
I do like Olivia Cooke's performance as Alicent, though, but Rhaenyra is more in the right here
If Laenor can’t perform, the answer isn’t to put her lovers bastards in the line of succession. It’s to let the throne pass on to Alicents children after she’s dead.
Reminds me of something in the books, when Viserys talked about marrying Rhaenyra and Laenor with his council, many suggested not to, due to Laenor's reputation and the Grandmaester said: "So what? I´m not fond of fish, but when it's served, I eat it anyway"
@@CatotheE without children, her succession already looks worse. She HAD TO have kids otherwise, Viserys would be pressured by Alicent to strip Rhaenyra.
@@hectormiranda1088 Exactly. I think some people underestimated what it meant for Laenor to be gay. Even Corlys, his father, felt he would outgrow it. Laenor himself said it's not for a lack of trying, women just aren't his cup of tea. Rhaenyra HAD to marry Laenor at Viserys' command since it would cement the Velaryons with them. I don't necessarily blame Viserys either given the situation that Daemon managed to corrupt Rhaenyra for one night. The whole thing is so multi-faceted and that makes it so interesting
@@HaleonRanks No she didn’t and having bastards was the worst thing she could do. Heck. She could have used a turkey blaster. People really defend her for anything.
Alicent : sooner or later someone who looks like you
You : subtle racism?
Dawg...the subtle racism was technically Viserys saying the kid has his father's nose. Alicent was simply inferring Laenor is very obviously not the father. If you're gonna overcompensate at least do it rightly.
Dude definitely gives off big "performatively super woke to get laid" energy.
Nevermind too misognystic to be fake woke lmao.
Viserys is a sickly old man here, lay off of him. He can't even tell apart his own wife at times.
@@shawnredmond8402 the author is a feminist bruv
@@happilyevernever4289 I know e is. but what that gotta do with the reactor overcompensating?
28:14 uhh no. It's not that Alicent wants Aegon to carry her "drama". Its a matter of life and death for them. Rhaenyra's claim to the throne was already rough from the start because of her gender, but now that she mothered bastards, the more the realm will challenge her succession, and if she really wants to ascend the Iron Throne, she'll have no choice but to kill Alicent's children. The realm won't accept bastards in the line of succession.
Exactly even if its a small conflict, it will be inevitable... Aegon, Aemond and Heleana will risk assassination for sure in one way or another, thats a fact
You are presuming it is not a fact. Alicent is creating this same problem to herself in a way
@@howfire The only thing that will make it a "fact" is when it already happens. And that's exactly what Alicent is preventing. Is she supposed to let it happen just to prove a point? These are characters with their own motivations. They don't know the source material and what happens in the future lol.
@@howfire It is a fact that the realm wouldn't accepted bastards on the Iron Throne. You may dont like this, but Alicent's argument is equally Ned Stark's argument.
@@gudsonmendes8866 they are not considered bastards to them
Love yalls content..mainly watch cuz homegirl is fine as hell especially with the eyes soooo cool but nice seeing different perspectives keep up the content
I like this reaction format.
U guys should first watch the episode to full and then comment as much as u like
Cole's a bastard but he played that dude so hard lol.
The seed is strong.
Love your reaction.. the Aegon/Alicent scene I didn't even think about it like you did... but you are so right Aegon is just a typical kid and his mom is instilling her fears and hatred into him... tbh I think this might be the only thing Alicent has done wrong.
Aegon has sex outside of marriage constantly, disgustingly forces himself on girls (r@p3s) constantly, and tosses his bastard children into the underground fighting pits where they have their teeth filed into sharp points and trained to rip each other apart...these are little children mind you. Meh...but he's not a "bastard" himself or something...he deserves the throne...he's "entitled" to it because he has a dong and can easily toss his bastard children away. Rheanyra on the other hand is only the named heir by her father the king...and also has had bastard children that she instead has raised into being mostly kind and decent and well-rounded individuals. She doesn't deserve the throne now...even though she's had bastards just like Aegon...but she doesn't throw them away...damn her stupid vahgeenha and ovaries.
How is Aegon a typical kid? haha
She’s a typical religious zealot
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾Best reaction to a great episode. This was to be the actual first episode of HOTD but they felt the need to do the past episodes to make us get the idea of how things played out to this point. You can tell from the looks and feels of this episode that it really seem like an actual GOT episode.
Pay close attention to what Helena says and it's very important, I wish they had shown us more about Harwin and Laena that watching the series for the agent feels more pain when the characters die, so when I saw the two characters die I was sad for the death of the two but not to the point of crying for them two characters, you know, I think the writers didn't want to show too much of the two characters for a simple reason and because they probably don't think it's important to the story
When Laena says she wants her husband back what she married is true because the daemon is depressed and just realizing that he just stays at home reading a book and not sleeping well the daemon gets depressed he misses Viserys and Rhaenyra just that he doesn't want to see them, the daemon that we know he doesn't see and so
The Daemon had spoken no with his head but still Laena died and sad I prefer what they did in the series than the book in the book she loses the baby then she gets depressed then one night she decides to go to her dragon but on the way she falls down the stairs and dies so I prefer it in the series and more exciting because we see her bond with the dragon, Daemon loved his wife so much that he made no sign, he loves her and his daughters only the writers don't show it anymore in the book asa de fire and blood that he loves his daughters and his wife the most Unfortunately the writers prefer not to show it had two deleted scenes one and the daemon hugging his daughters already the other deleted scene and the daemon sending his daughters to the bedroom because they were seeing their mother in the fourth trying to have the baby that's why the daemon arrives at the time of Laena's death and couldn't prevent her death
A curiosity for those who watched Doctor Who, this actor who plays Aegon he is the son of David Tennant, he is David he has worked with Matt both have been Doctor Who and now Matt is working with the son of David Tennant
I recommend you watch Doctor Who is very good this series if I'm not mistaken it has 13 seasons it's very worth watching I recommend you watch Doctor Who
It shouldn't matter to them. But it does matter to the common folk. Why? It's a hidden thing, but if the royal family won't follow their own rules, then that creates an insane amount of anxiety for the common folk. It's a rule of succession and it's being broken. Clearly broken. And that'll cause anxiety for the whole kingdom, cause it shows that the royals can do whatever they want. It's like if the president suddenly decided that that he could name an heir. Wouldn't we all freak out? I don't agree with how far Allicent is taking it, that's for sure. But fundamentally, I think she's right. There have been so many breaks from tradition and now a blatant breaking of the rules. The realm is likely to rebel and put the crown on the actual house following the rules. You have to think of it like that, Rhaeneyra hasn't been following tradition, and that's fine. But now she's breaking rules and the common folk will be incredibly anxious of what she will be like as a ruler. Naturally, Allicent doesn't want her children to be complacent in the rules being broken, lest the entire realm rebels under another banner entirely. They don't show the unrest of the people in an obvious way, but it's subtle hinted at often. I think I'd be good for you guys to keep that in mind next week.
Everyone seems to have a point, but their execution of said point is taken too far. I agree that pitting the children against each other so young is legitimately disgusting, and everyone is guilty of that. But it's not surprising, especially in a monarchy, I legitimately didn't expect anything else. All throughout history the heirs always inherited the grudges of their predecessors.
Finally, I want to put forth my "endorsement" for the "team" I'm going for. Haha. Honestly, I've moved on to the children, simply because they aren't carrying the same baggage yet and there are some interesting characters in there.
I think Aemond is going to become a fantastic character. Similar to his uncle in a way. Almond strikes me as introverted, sensitive and quietly ambitious(ambition isn't a bad thing, but we shall see). He strikes me as the quiet kid who tries to have the best grades for himself and the ones he cares about. But what happens when the quiet kid finally snaps? What happens the the calm man finally has had enough? I'm really intrigued by him. He has a sensitive spirit and those characters tend to be the biggest players. Like Daemon, who cares deeply, but only about those in his circle. Once you're out of that circle, all bets are off.
A sad song for Viserys, my man is accosted everyday by grudges and politics that he's over. He kept his word about keep Rhaeneyra as his heir and kept the realm from tearing itself apart despite it. She should have done her job to cement it after he was no longer there to protect her. Seems she's realizing it too late.
Last note, Cristin Cole may have had the biggest upgrade in interesting characters, for me. He felt dishonored enough to contemplate suicide and decided against it. Instead, he will fight the dishonor. But I think we all saw how bitter and resentful he is of Rhaeneyra. Everything he does, I truly think he believes is right, except there's a chink in his armor, his only dishonor in his whole life. And God he truly hates her for it. I'm not saying he's completely right or completely wrong, but I love the turn his character took. The complexity of being an honorable knight and having bitterness, hatred(I think he once loved her, the strongest hate came from love) and willing to do anything to atone for his honor. He came back from the dead in that moment Allicent called to him. It was his opportunity to get his honor back and I truly think he's willing to die for that opportunity. Question is, what will be strong? His desire for honor? Or his hatred for the one who took it?
Great writing. Loving this story.
"It shouldn't matter to them. But it does matter to the common folk. Why? It's a hidden thing, but if the royal family won't follow their own rules, then that creates an insane amount of anxiety for the common folk."
This is literally false. The common folk do not care one bit who rules them as long as there's peace and they get long summers, plentiful harvests and healthy children, this is said several times in the books and is on of the main points of the series. The game of thrones is played by the high lords to satisfy their own ego and ambition, the smallfolk aren't players, they only suffer the consequences of the petty fights of the nobles.
No peasant cares about Rhaenyra's children being bastards, in fact, the overwheleming majority of the population has no clue about what goes on behind the Red Keep's walls.
"It's a rule of succession and it's being broken. Clearly broken. And that'll cause anxiety for the whole kingdom, cause it shows that the royals can do whatever they want."
The royals CAN do whatever the fuck they want, that's exactly what Robert did, and he didn't even have dragons.
The entire history of the Targaryens is built on the fact that "we DO have dragons, so we will do whatever we want and you can suck it or get disintegrated by dragonfire". That's how Aegon the Conqueror got away with taking two wives, that's how the Tragaryens spent centuries spiting in the faith of the seven and marrying their siblings.
Also, there's no "rule of succesion" being broken. Rhaenyra is the heir by virtue of being the oldest trueborn child of the king and the one chosen by Viserys to succeed him as ruler of the SK, her children being bastards doesn't change that. Besides, all three of her kids are recognised by Rhaenyra, Laenor and Viserys as Velaryons and since thre's no way to prove their true parantage they are legitimate sons for all intents and purpouses.
@@elisawilde8623 Thanks for the reply. And I honestly don't agree. All the reigns that you mentioned ended because they thought they could do whatever they wanted. I think minimizing the public opinion is kind of cheap. Perception is everything when ruling. And yes, appearing powerful enough to force the public to be too afraid to do anything about it means that the public clearly do care of what happens in the Red Keep.
Cersei tried to do whatever she wanted and people pretty much abandoned her in the end. Danaerys(I think that's how you spell her name) tried to do whatever she wanted and was assassinated for it. Fear will only take you so far, maybe several generations if you're lucky, but you don't keep people subdued with power and fear alone. Historically, it always ends badly when you try that.
Naturally, you could be right. Fictional world, fictional rules. And here I am trying to apply history to it. Might be dumb of me to try. But hey, I haven't read the books. So, it's all I have to fall on.
And to clarify, when I talk about "rule of succession". I think that Rhaeneyra is the heir and I have no issue with that. Viseyrs kept his promise and yes by virtue of the first born. Now do I have issues with the way she's gone about consolidating her claim, yeah but I'm not going to get into that. The "rule" being broken is pretty much about bastards aren't allowed to be legitimate heirs. If that takes you off, my bad. But I'm just regurgitating what has already been said. Apparently people can also get beheaded for what's happened(According to Lyonel Strong). So, it's seen as a pretty big deal if the rumors gain strength. Again, they allude to the public perception being more important than the truth. They did this as well when they found out that Rhaeneyra and Daemon had been together, it didn't matter that they hadn't slept together, word was spreading. They needed a quick fix, so she had to marry Laenor. It's alluded to that if Daemon had married Rhaeneyra it would have torn the realm apart since everyone hates the idea of Daemon being king. The more Rhaeneyra allied to Daemon the harder it was going to be for her to be Queen.
They aren't screaming it in your face, but I think the realms perception is a very real thing. If you want to argue against that, fair, they may not care enough to get cooked for their opinions. But I think to the contrary, given how panicked everyone is of perception rather than the truth, I think the realm is very uneasy. But we won't know how uneasy until further episodes, I suppose.
Again, thank you for the response. I love hearing other people's opinions, as long as they are thought out, and clearly you had some thoughts on this. It was a great read. 👍
@@liumang5309 Everyone doesn't hate the idea of Daemon being king. It's only most of small council, coz they can't control Daemon like they can Viserys.😂 Don't outright lie my dude.
Rhaenyra is a heir and she must have children to strong her posion. Leanor probably couldn't give children to her so she got help from Harwin and they like each other. This a big rist but she had to take this risk.
Should have eloped with Daemon instead of smashing Ser "Sloppy Second Mark II" Harwin
@@ruleoftwo6174 Don't speak badly of Harwin. He was an honorable man.
@@happilyevernever4289 Honorable? Why coz everything is for the female?
Let's see, he provides provision, protection, emotional support and donated his seeds. What does he get in return, cannot recognize his kids, have no official title, and after he's dead she immediately smashes her toxic uncle that she is aroused by since she's a kid.
Harwin embodies modern simp behaviour and that's why he is "honorable". Only good thing is more and more men recognize this manipulation and is saying no
Rhaenyra openly having bastard children really is such a mindbender, it doesn't make sense for anyone thinking logically. Why would you do that in insult to your king, to commit treason, to weaken your own claim? I suppose she just thinks... she's entitled to do what she wants. We know she can be quite selfish, entitled, rebellious. But it really boggles the mind that she would do this. At least have affairs with Valyrian bastards from Dragonstone or Driftmark. To have "plain-featured sons" is just... bizarre.
She's never given a fuck. Both a good and a bad thing
and yet people call her an angel and alicent the demon. crazy
Unreasonable take. She's the heir to the throne and has to have heirs to follow after her. She's obliged to have children or she won't ascend or will be in danger/overthrown. The only solution is to have bastard children since she can't have them in her marriage even though she tried.
@@Bl4ckDoT_ yours is the unreasonable take. the Realm wouldnt care if Qarl had to be in the room so Laenor and Rhaenyra can do perform duties. Thing is they failed and as a consequence should be removed of all the perks of being an heir. What you are suggesting is a life of entitlement, lack of duty and accountability for unlawlful behavior. Newsflash even in Westeros monarchs are made accountable for not performing their duties or doing illegal things.
It amazes me how people claim Rheanyra is selfish. Why? Because she dares to be with someone she actually loves and has children with them? Aegon has tons of bastard children and tosses them aside. They end up in the underground fighting pits with filed teeth and trained to rip each other apart...and they're tiny children. Meh...but it's truly selfish for Rheanyra to have sex once as a young lady and then fall for a guy outside her marriage that's not gay. If Rheanyra had a penis, no one would be saying she's entitled nor selfish nor even rebellious really. It's a goddamn joke. hah
I am finding a consistent theme when I discuss this succession crisis with ppl. Its seems fans dont seem to understand that by rights Aegon should be king. R's claim to the throne is weakening and it is mostly through her own actions. The show is telling us over and over again through Otto and Rhaenys that the lords of the 7 kingdoms wont accept R as queen. A knows that R would hv to kill A's sons to claim the throne. This is why she's desperate to out R.
then she then had bastards then making her claim even weaker
When did the King make him the heir? Sorry must have missed that part.
@@CuddleBuddee He Implied that the kingdom had already set a precedence by electing viserys over rhaenys in episode one only for viserys to put aside the male preference promigeniture by appointing his daughter heir
Rheanyra is the named heir to the throne by her father the king. So no...Aegon should not be king by rights. That's absurd.
You didn't catch what Helaena said? She predicts things, pay attention to her.
I think it's also that Alicent can't trust someone who would falsely swear on their mother's name with a straight face 🤷♂️
Edit: Swear on their dead mother's memory, rather.
I honestly don’t understand those who crap all over Rhaenyra while bending over backwards to defend Alicent. The things Alicent does are absolutely inexcusable no matter how you slice it. Rhaenyra lies to her about being an “unspoiled” maiden and suddenly she has a never ending, never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred towards her? That’s insanity.
I felt so bad for Alicent in the beginning. Her father forced her into an extremely stressful and uncomfortable situation. She had to marry the king and pump out children. She had to come to his chambers in the evening when beaconed and lie there as the ever more decrepit king climbed on her. When she found out that Rhaenyra had lied to her and had sex with Criston Cole (once mind you), her jealousy and resentment skyrocketed. She had done her “duty” and what she was told…what she was told to do by her father, by the king, and by the culture/society she was raised in. She instantly decided to wear green and declare war upon Rhaenyra…and yes the king…her husband. I thought she was all about doing what was “right” and dutiful? She’s supposed to be the king’s wife first and foremost…and then her father’s daughter.
Alicent did not then confront Rhaenyra and have it out with her…but instead held onto her resentment, bitterness, and hatred for her “friend” for over a decade. I understand her being upset with Rhaenyra for not telling her the truth and even for making a stupid mistake in her eyes. I get it…but I don’t at all get her holding onto all that hatred for over a decade without ever even saying anything to Rhaenyra. She held onto her bitterness, resentment, and hatred…and did everything in her power possible to make Rhaenyra’s and her children’s lives miserable. Alicent also made sure that her children and Criston Cole harbored her ire and hatred for Rhaenyra and her children too. She raised two terrible sons and instilled no decent values, integrity, nor principles in them beyond hating her “friend” and her children and desiring the throne.
Beyond all that, Alicent took down all of the Targaryen artwork, iconography, and historical artifacts in the castle and replaced them with puritanical crap from the Faith of the Seven. Again, how is this being “dutiful” and true to the king? See, Alicent was anxious, stressed, repressed, and longed for a different set of circumstances for herself in the beginning. She had every right to be upset about it. Her father manipulated and forced her into an extremely uncomfortable situation and life she didn’t really want. The cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy in which she was raised made her feel she had to be dutiful…and honestly, she had very little to no choice of her own along the way. Yet she didn’t attempt to change any of it for the better…not even in the slightest. She didn’t raise her children, especially her sons, to respect women and people in general and didn’t instill a sense of kindness, openness, and decency within them either. Instead, Alicent has reenforced the crappy cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy that forced her into a life she didn’t really want. It’s even worse than that though…because she hasn’t just reenforced it, she’s made it more puritanical and oppressive for others.
Alicent has spent a decade (plus) reenforcing and worsening the crap system, raising terrible sons that share her resentment/hatred, and doing everything possible to make Rhaenyra and her children’s lives miserable. Imagine what good she could have done if she had instead focused all that energy she spent in hating and resenting her “friend” and instead put it into making positive changes and raising decent sons.
Rhaenyra, despite her mistakes, has raised decent children. Her “mistakes” weren’t brought about because of her resentment, hatred, and jealousy. She hasn’t gone out of her way to harm and harass anyone. She has simply tried to live a life she can bare while keeping up appearances. She has dared buck against the unjust system and make the best of her circumstances…and because of this, Alicent has done everything in her power to destroy Rhaenyra and her children. Alicent’s behavior is absolutely inexcusable compared to Rhaenyra’s. If Rhaenyra were a prince, no one would really care at all if they were having extramarital activities. Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything truly wrong…except for lying to her “friend”…but seeing how Alicent has behaved, telling her the truth would have done no good. Beyond that, Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything wrong. She might have made what some consider unwise choices and made things more difficult for herself…but the overwhelming majority of the problems she faces are because of Alicent and her never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred…all because Alicent is a jealous, petty little child that has never grown up.
I honestly don’t understand those who crap all over Rhaenyra while bending over backwards to defend Alicent. The things Alicent does are absolutely inexcusable no matter how you slice it. Rhaenyra lies to her about being an “unspoiled” maiden and suddenly she has a never ending, never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred towards her? That’s insanity.
I felt so bad for Alicent in the beginning. Her father forced her into an extremely stressful and uncomfortable situation. She had to marry the king and pump out children. She had to come to his chambers in the evening when beaconed and lie there as the ever more decrepit king climbed on her. When she found out that Rhaenyra had lied to her and had sex with Criston Cole (once mind you), her jealousy and resentment skyrocketed. She had done her “duty” and what she was told…what she was told to do by her father, by the king, and by the culture/society she was raised in. She instantly decided to wear green and declare war upon Rhaenyra…and yes the king…her husband. I thought she was all about doing what was “right” and dutiful? She’s supposed to be the king’s wife first and foremost…and then her father’s daughter.
Alicent did not then confront Rhaenyra and have it out with her…but instead held onto her resentment, bitterness, and hatred for her “friend” for over a decade. I understand her being upset with Rhaenyra for not telling her the truth and even for making a stupid mistake in her eyes. I get it…but I don’t at all get her holding onto all that hatred for over a decade without ever even saying anything to Rhaenyra. She held onto her bitterness, resentment, and hatred…and did everything in her power possible to make Rhaenyra’s and her children’s lives miserable. Alicent also made sure that her children and Criston Cole harbored her ire and hatred for Rhaenyra and her children too. She raised two terrible sons and instilled no decent values, integrity, nor principles in them beyond hating her “friend” and her children and desiring the throne.
Beyond all that, Alicent took down all of the Targaryen artwork, iconography, and historical artifacts in the castle and replaced them with puritanical crap from the Faith of the Seven. Again, how is this being “dutiful” and true to the king? See, Alicent was anxious, stressed, repressed, and longed for a different set of circumstances for herself in the beginning. She had every right to be upset about it. Her father manipulated and forced her into an extremely uncomfortable situation and life she didn’t really want. The cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy in which she was raised made her feel she had to be dutiful…and honestly, she had very little to no choice of her own along the way. Yet she didn’t attempt to change any of it for the better…not even in the slightest. She didn’t raise her children, especially her sons, to respect women and people in general and didn’t instill a sense of kindness, openness, and decency within them either. Instead, Alicent has reenforced the crappy cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy that forced her into a life she didn’t really want. It’s even worse than that though…because she hasn’t just reenforced it, she’s made it more puritanical and oppressive for others.
Alicent has spent a decade (plus) reenforcing and worsening the crap system, raising terrible sons that share her resentment/hatred, and doing everything possible to make Rhaenyra and her children’s lives miserable. Imagine what good she could have done if she had instead focused all that energy she spent in hating and resenting her “friend” and instead put it into making positive changes and raising decent sons.
Rhaenyra, despite her mistakes, has raised decent children. Her “mistakes” weren’t brought about because of her resentment, hatred, and jealousy. She hasn’t gone out of her way to harm and harass anyone. She has simply tried to live a life she can bare while keeping up appearances. She has dared buck against the unjust system and make the best of her circumstances…and because of this, Alicent has done everything in her power to destroy Rhaenyra and her children. Alicent’s behavior is absolutely inexcusable compared to Rhaenyra’s. If Rhaenyra were a prince, no one would really care at all if they were having extramarital activities. Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything truly wrong…except for lying to her “friend”…but seeing how Alicent has behaved, telling her the truth would have done no good. Beyond that, Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything wrong. She might have made what some consider unwise choices and made things more difficult for herself…but the overwhelming majority of the problems she faces are because of Alicent and her never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred…all because Alicent is a jealous, petty little child that has never grown up.
With what foot does Alicent stand on when she hid her own actions from Rhaenyra? Rhaneyra can't trust Alicent as she plays double agent to her and her father.
@@happilyevernever4289 I know you don't actually care but obeying the King's order over something you take no pleasure in is (imo) slightly different from swearing on your dead mother's memory to your best friend with whom you bonded over that shared experience, for something you know is a lie. Rhaenyra still trusts her dad so this "betrayal" line of reasoning makes no sense at all, unless one has very strange ideas about power imbalances between the King and a teenage lady-in-waiting - and it seems a lot of people do
This Velaryons having Brown Hair reminded me of Robert Baratheon's Offsprings. Remember when Eddard said this Baratheon black of hair, Stannis Baratheon black of hair, Robert Baratheon black of hair, Jeoffry Baratheon... Blonde of hair.
Stannis Baratheon lack of hair
There is the major difference between Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen vs Jacaerys, Lucerys and Joffrey. The Baratheon children were not of royal blood because it is their father who is the king, where as the Velaryon boys are still of royal blood because it is their mother who is the crown princess.
Ser Incel Cole just can't get over it. it's been a decade
R.I.P to one of the BEST characters, Laena! Hopefully Daemons ugly a$$ mans tf up and takes care of those beautiful girls he's got.
Just realised lindsay has pretty heterochromia - im blind lol. Love ur guys extensive reactions, soemthing to look forward to every week after watching episode myself 😁🍿
Alicent : When you're just trying to call out the family th0t, raise an actual man, and hold the realm together through male primogeniture but the audience hates you.
Nah but lol jokes aside Rhaenyra totally made that offer out of the kindness of her golden heart and pure generosity. It totally wasn't because she is trying to entrench the claim of her illegitimate son. No sir. A flimsy marriage alliance is not gonna save Prince Aegon & Aemond’s lives if Rhaenyra’s spawn by Harwin takes the throne & ppl start calling him what he really is. Blackcel fans swearing this time the Girlboss Queen they support won't turn out to be a complete psycho. Insert Always Sunny in Philadelphia Pepe Silva gif.
Oh agree crispy cream is complete a hole
Thing is it doesn’t matter if aegon doesn’t want the throne it matters what the realms and its lords see and they will try to rise up in rebellion against a woman on the throne to put him or his brother aemond on the throne as he and his brother are the first and second born male child of the king viserys so in there eyes the throne should pass to them as rhaenyra was only declared as heir due to emergency and daemon being a dickhead and also the king’s incompetence to clear this up to the realm will definitely lead to a civil war so what alicent is saying is correct.
both matter, but the first step to peace is not fostering generational fear and resentment between brothers and cousins.
@@BOLDcast but unfortunately we can’t have nice things
@@BOLDcast it would not matter. When you end up with a nation divides between who they want to rule, that peace would be destroyed between them anyway. The resentment and fear would happen regardless. Either their mother would have to kill her younger brothers(their cousins) to remain unchallenged for the throne. Or their mother will likely be killed because people want one of her brothers(again their cousins) to be on the thrones. Realistically it’s not even a “nation divided” because it’s heavily in the favor of people wanting her older brother to rule.
Honestly I have the feeling that Daemon will CONFIRM Alicents fears in the next few episodes.....
Had Otto and Alicent not done anything. No rebellion would've been big enough to rise up. Infact Rhaenyra garnered the support she did coz she was successful in deceiving them about her sons' true heritage.
Otto passes his shit down to Allison .Allison passes her shit down to her son
I love ur reactions and pauses ❤
Thank you!
"WHY WOULD YOU TELL HIM THIS YOU DU*B BI**H!!!"
Damn man. People should not speak obvious truths that inconvenience your highness, sir yes sir. It might just be natural to you but just in case you're cosplaying, Draco Malfoy is not a personality trait.
And did this guy really do the "I'm grasping for so many straws as to why someone I don't like is wrong I have to call them racist" thing? Lmao.
The fact that people are on raenira's side even if its her the most fuc.ed up is why this show is amazing.
Where the fuck did you get the impression that Alicent doesn't like Helena?
I don't think they're equally complicit. She chose to get pregnant and have illegitimate kids.
Allicent isn't wrong about her children's lives being at risk, regardless of Rhaenyra's personal feelings. The lords of Westeros know that her children are bastards. In their society, bastards are lowly, so if Jace rises to being a King, that would be extremely insulting and no one would stand for it. To ease this tension, Rhaenyra would have to kill them, because there would be constant rebellions. If there is one thing the lords have no shortage of is pride, and their pride would have them rebel again and again. And above all else, Allicent doesn't trust Rhaenyra, for good reason.
Also, her proposal for marriage has the same arguement. It's an insult, regardless of if it saves lives. And when the lords rebel, Allicent's daughter will be tied up with the bastards, and be put to death as well. It was an idiotic proposal which is just a bandage over the large issue.
No they don't. They can't prove shit. It is only Otto and Alicent and their close knit allies who know. Rhaenyra would have mever garnered as much support from the lords had they really known her sons were bastards. And yes, Alicent at that point was absolutely at the wrong about Rhaenyra wanting to kill her children. Infact her own house was planning to kill Rhaenyra instead if push comes to shove. It was all a ploy of Otto to get Alicent to comply to his will.
@@happilyevernever4289 That's the thing. At that point, perhaps Rhaenyra wasn't planning to kill Alicent's children, but who knows how she'll feel in a few years. If something marginally goes wrong in her reign, lords would whisper about Aegon being a better choice. To get rid of this, she would have to get rid of her competion i.e. sending them to the Wall or to the faith, or straight up killing them. Besides, Daemon is also there, and he's definetly ruthless enough to get rid of them.
Also, I'm talking from the perspective of the show, where Rhaenys has silver hair, rather than black hair, so there isn't even an arguement about the Baratheon inheritence being stronger than the Targaryen. So, how in the hell would her children not be seen as bastards?
u guys should react and talk abt trailer for ep 7
Even if they're bastards , Jacaerys (and his brothers ) will have a claim because Laenor is not the heir , Rhaenyra is
Not how it works, bastards have no claim.
Bastards do not have claim to the throne when there are legitimate heirs
Illegitimate Children are not in the line of Succession.
Bastards do not have claims unless it's completely necessary (like if the bastard is the only one alive with the bloodline)
Bastards cannot inherit
If you notice aswell all of the children have weird idiosyncrasies about them. Rheyneras kids all have brown hair, Aegon is a douchebag and seems to be a sexual deviant, the daughter Helena she seems to love bugs and be a bit crazy, and the last kid doesn't have his own dragon yet and something called to him in the pit.
Haelena seems to be a dreamer. Her dialogue foreshadows Aemon and his eye/sight...
@@AllTheArtsy interesting if she's a dreamer then I wonder is her dragon Dreamfyre
6:09 yall call it a reaction but i see it as jumping to conclusions, the way yall make it SEEM, pay attention, SEEM as if you understand everything, also the reaction you have just says more about you personally and your own thinkings
Love when people use reactions to a tv show to help themselves feel superior by judging others’ character for having a different opinion
That says way more about you than any tv opinion ever could
@@BOLDcast fine, you win unc
Alicent is definitely not that fu*king cerci
5:27 dude I’ve waited so long for a reactor to claim and go with this direction. Most reactors chose to watch this for the sake of hype and views, not to mention talking over dialogues and then complaining towards the end for not understanding when they could simply just try to listen carefully and use some common sense to analyse things instead of trying to relate it to modern perspective. I only discovered you guys in HOD reactions and you guys have already turned into one of my favourite reactors just for your methods of analysing and pausing things for discussions instead going “I watched it for you guys so subscribe to my channel” trope.
9:28 she said fuck cause she started to bleed of after birth that’s why asked Laenor to keep walking without looking back cause there would be trails of blood as you can see later when Rhaenyra left the room.
27:37 man I’ve never laughed like this in such a long time at someone’s f*ck you. I totally feel ya there. At this point it would be a self fulfilling of starting a war that wasn’t there to begin with and pushing your own child to his doom.
38:14 no shit! These kids along with Alicent’s kids are inheriting hatred and cruel ambitions of their parents which they’ll never be able to escape from.
38:48 spot on. Alicent and Cole are ‘honourable’ and can’t distinguish that Rhaenyra who’s opposite of them would one day be their ruler. The double standards are vivid in here 1:04:16.
47:48 their arrangement was to do their duties to their families and realm which included having kids while they could live their lives to the side. However I don’t think Laenor is able to plant seeds in Rhaenyra which is why she had to produce heirs from someone else. That’s what she’s mad at that he didn’t hold his end of bargain of ‘first’ producing the heirs and going his way but rather he’s been enjoying his time to the side to the point of openly exposing his sexuality to others. The least he did is name and looked after the kids whenever he could while Rhaenyra selfishly slept around with someone else. Rhaenyra and Laenor although are good friends but they are both being hypocrites here, trying to justify their acts. So no one is right.
58:53 glad that you get it. While Alicent has valid points and Rhaenyra truly is doing this cause she’s cornered and desperate but at least Rhaenyra is choosing a path where there shouldn’t be bloodshed while Alicent is feeling disgusted that Rhaenyra would recommend her bastard child to be betrothed to her ‘pure’ daughter, also the fact that Alicent truly does wants Aegon to rule which is hypocritical on her part since she started doing all this cause she wanted her kids to survive.
1:09:27 well about that? You have no idea who the rider is gonna be. Also the parallels are so well where Daemon is put in same situation as Viserys but he chose not to sacrifice Laena even though there’s a high chance that they could save his child. Not to mention he was going to get son this time. Laena went like a badass rider but it’s still too heartbreaking.
Harwin died such a tragic death cause in case of Laena at least she chose it and it was instant but in Harwin’s case it was slow and in the most utter betrayal. Larys is the most creepy character ever and Alicent realised it too late when her hands are filled with blood now.
Dammm... Your insight on this quite thorough. I still think GOT is better because it steadily build the storyline. But still I like Hotd
@@AJ-pl5ub I started watching HOD and GOT together. I knew the hype of GOT but other than some clips I couldn’t watch it cause it didn’t invest me enough but with HOD, things are escalating well with crap of trope to extend the plot. Everything is going on point. Although I feel most fans prefer GOT because of nostalgia factor but I respect how much it means to them and why it does so.
@@tbakhalid4781 nope it's not because of nostalgia but because it's a better show Except the dreadful final season.Its much more nuanced. It's more like political drama than just war TV show. i like it because it's a political chess game,which makes it far more intelligent show
@@tbakhalid4781 HOTD not HOD lmao
Alicent and criston are not honorable, they are self righteous. Alicent thinks that she is morally superior and such a hypocrite!!
I absolutely loved the commentary. I also really enjoyed the episode and thought the acting was excellent!
omg, lol no racism and she is nothing like Cersei.
@@DAFR2849 Alicent? She has been anything but worse than Cersei. It's everyone around her who is worse.
Ahh so you wait til EPISODE 6 to say how you watch and react?… well if you’re looking for new subs, maybe state that at the beginning of the season? I mean wasting breath discussing before even a scene is ended let alone the ep seems bizarre, but no probs that’s how you do it 👍
Alicent is not like Cersei. She's a far better person than both Rhaenyra and Cersei
Yeah I really think people are SLEEPING on Alicents complexity and position...
Not if she's complicit in the murder of Lord Lyonel and Ser Harwin Strong she's not.
@@Ivan-O Do you Know how many Innocent Children will Rhaenyra and Daemon murder? Alicent didn't order their murders and she can't open her mouth because they'll put her in jail too
@@Samuelissad What children are you talking about? When did this happen exactly? Irrelevant if she gave the order or not, she's aware of the deed and is going along with it. She's the queen and has the power to throw Larys Strong under the bus just fine but she won't because she benefits from all of this.
@@Ivan-O Daemon murders his wife but their Far more evil acts will happen in the Future
At the very least, Rhaenyra should have found a Valyrian descent man to have children with. It's not like the Targaryens and the Velaryons are the only people in the world with silver hair. She could have literally got a guy from Lys or Volantis for this.
Or just settled with Jason Lannister
There were none. That's the point. There was only Daemon or Laenor to choose from. Unless you're implying she bed her toddler bro.
@@happilyevernever4289 You don't seem to understand that there are two countries in Essos where Valyrian blood is still common? Also, there are so many Velaryon cousins whom she can hook up with as well. And wtf are you on about, bedding her toddler? She had no children at that point...
27:33 same Carson....same🙄
Wow
Image calling someone with a dragon bastard
He is though, both of them are lol
Alicent isnt like Cersei, they are two completely different characters. You may having this sense cuz she's pushing Aegon to take the Iron Throne, but she have a strong argument to do it. Cersei hasnt. And Alicent in a strict sense thinks she need to follow the rules whatever the cost. Cersei doesnt care about laws and everything else.
"You may having this sense cuz she's pushing Aegon to take the Iron Throne, but she have a strong argument to do it."
She blatantly doesn't. Aegon isn't the heir, Rhaenyra is, by virtue of being the oldest trueborn child of the previous king and the one chosen by her fahther as heir to succeed him when he passes.
Alicent trying to get her son on the throne spits in the face of the laws and the wishes of her husband, the actual king, what she's doing is literal treason.
"And Alicent in a strict sense thinks she need to follow the rules whatever the cost. Cersei doesnt care about laws and everything else."
You don't have any idea how funny this is. Alicent does NOT follow the rules whatever the cost, the entire reason there was a war in the first place was that Alicent, Otto and Cole do whatever they want, breaking all the laws and rules they want in the process.
Alicent doesn't even follow the rules like she pretends to. She decided to wear green as a sign of war after Rhaenyra lied to her...and therefore declared war on her husband and king. She later has all the artwork, iconography, and artifacts of the Targaryen's removed...and replaces it all with the Faith of the Seven crap. She also gets info from Club-Foot while she shows him her feet and he wanks off to it. I'll post a full breakdown of Alicent below...no matter how you slice it, she's not as high-and-might-holy-roller as she claims to be.
I honestly don’t understand those who crap all over Rhaenyra while bending over backwards to defend Alicent. The things Alicent does are absolutely inexcusable no matter how you slice it. Rhaenyra lies to her about being an “unspoiled” maiden and suddenly she has a never ending, never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred towards her? That’s insanity.
I felt so bad for Alicent in the beginning. Her father forced her into an extremely stressful and uncomfortable situation. She had to marry the king and pump out children. She had to come to his chambers in the evening when beaconed and lie there as the ever more decrepit king climbed on her. When she found out that Rhaenyra had lied to her and had sex with Criston Cole (once mind you), her jealousy and resentment skyrocketed. She had done her “duty” and what she was told…what she was told to do by her father, by the king, and by the culture/society she was raised in. She instantly decided to wear green and declare war upon Rhaenyra…and yes the king…her husband. I thought she was all about doing what was “right” and dutiful? She’s supposed to be the king’s wife first and foremost…and then her father’s daughter.
Alicent did not then confront Rhaenyra and have it out with her…but instead held onto her resentment, bitterness, and hatred for her “friend” for over a decade. I understand her being upset with Rhaenyra for not telling her the truth and even for making a stupid mistake in her eyes. I get it…but I don’t at all get her holding onto all that hatred for over a decade without ever even saying anything to Rhaenyra. She held onto her bitterness, resentment, and hatred…and did everything in her power possible to make Rhaenyra’s and her children’s lives miserable. Alicent also made sure that her children and Criston Cole harbored her ire and hatred for Rhaenyra and her children too. She raised two terrible sons and instilled no decent values, integrity, nor principles in them beyond hating her “friend” and her children and desiring the throne.
Beyond all that, Alicent took down all of the Targaryen artwork, iconography, and historical artifacts in the castle and replaced them with puritanical crap from the Faith of the Seven. Again, how is this being “dutiful” and true to the king? See, Alicent was anxious, stressed, repressed, and longed for a different set of circumstances for herself in the beginning. She had every right to be upset about it. Her father manipulated and forced her into an extremely uncomfortable situation and life she didn’t really want. The cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy in which she was raised made her feel she had to be dutiful…and honestly, she had very little to no choice of her own along the way. Yet she didn’t attempt to change any of it for the better…not even in the slightest. She didn’t raise her children, especially her sons, to respect women and people in general and didn’t instill a sense of kindness, openness, and decency within them either. Instead, Alicent has reenforced the crappy cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy that forced her into a life she didn’t really want. It’s even worse than that though…because she hasn’t just reenforced it, she’s made it more puritanical and oppressive for others.
Alicent has spent a decade (plus) reenforcing and worsening the crap system, raising terrible sons that share her resentment/hatred, and doing everything possible to make Rhaenyra and her children’s lives miserable. Imagine what good she could have done if she had instead focused all that energy she spent in hating and resenting her “friend” and instead put it into making positive changes and raising decent sons.
Rhaenyra, despite her mistakes, has raised decent children. Her “mistakes” weren’t brought about because of her resentment, hatred, and jealousy. She hasn’t gone out of her way to harm and harass anyone. She has simply tried to live a life she can bare while keeping up appearances. She has dared buck against the unjust system and make the best of her circumstances…and because of this, Alicent has done everything in her power to destroy Rhaenyra and her children. Alicent’s behavior is absolutely inexcusable compared to Rhaenyra’s. If Rhaenyra were a prince, no one would really care at all if they were having extramarital activities. Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything truly wrong…except for lying to her “friend”…but seeing how Alicent has behaved, telling her the truth would have done no good. Beyond that, Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything wrong. She might have made what some consider unwise choices and made things more difficult for herself…but the overwhelming majority of the problems she faces are because of Alicent and her never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred…all because Alicent is a jealous, petty little child that has never grown up.
I honestly don’t understand those who crap all over Rhaenyra while bending over backwards to defend Alicent. The things Alicent does are absolutely inexcusable no matter how you slice it. Rhaenyra lies to her about being an “unspoiled” maiden and suddenly she has a never ending, never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred towards her? That’s insanity.
I felt so bad for Alicent in the beginning. Her father forced her into an extremely stressful and uncomfortable situation. She had to marry the king and pump out children. She had to come to his chambers in the evening when beaconed and lie there as the ever more decrepit king climbed on her. When she found out that Rhaenyra had lied to her and had sex with Criston Cole (once mind you), her jealousy and resentment skyrocketed. She had done her “duty” and what she was told…what she was told to do by her father, by the king, and by the culture/society she was raised in. She instantly decided to wear green and declare war upon Rhaenyra…and yes the king…her husband. I thought she was all about doing what was “right” and dutiful? She’s supposed to be the king’s wife first and foremost…and then her father’s daughter.
Alicent did not then confront Rhaenyra and have it out with her…but instead held onto her resentment, bitterness, and hatred for her “friend” for over a decade. I understand her being upset with Rhaenyra for not telling her the truth and even for making a stupid mistake in her eyes. I get it…but I don’t at all get her holding onto all that hatred for over a decade without ever even saying anything to Rhaenyra. She held onto her bitterness, resentment, and hatred…and did everything in her power possible to make Rhaenyra’s and her children’s lives miserable. Alicent also made sure that her children and Criston Cole harbored her ire and hatred for Rhaenyra and her children too. She raised two terrible sons and instilled no decent values, integrity, nor principles in them beyond hating her “friend” and her children and desiring the throne.
Beyond all that, Alicent took down all of the Targaryen artwork, iconography, and historical artifacts in the castle and replaced them with puritanical crap from the Faith of the Seven. Again, how is this being “dutiful” and true to the king? See, Alicent was anxious, stressed, repressed, and longed for a different set of circumstances for herself in the beginning. She had every right to be upset about it. Her father manipulated and forced her into an extremely uncomfortable situation and life she didn’t really want. The cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy in which she was raised made her feel she had to be dutiful…and honestly, she had very little to no choice of her own along the way. Yet she didn’t attempt to change any of it for the better…not even in the slightest. She didn’t raise her children, especially her sons, to respect women and people in general and didn’t instill a sense of kindness, openness, and decency within them either. Instead, Alicent has reenforced the crappy cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy that forced her into a life she didn’t really want. It’s even worse than that though…because she hasn’t just reenforced it, she’s made it more puritanical and oppressive for others.
Alicent has spent a decade (plus) reenforcing and worsening the crap system, raising terrible sons that share her resentment/hatred, and doing everything possible to make Rhaenyra and her children’s lives miserable. Imagine what good she could have done if she had instead focused all that energy she spent in hating and resenting her “friend” and instead put it into making positive changes and raising decent sons.
Rhaenyra, despite her mistakes, has raised decent children. Her “mistakes” weren’t brought about because of her resentment, hatred, and jealousy. She hasn’t gone out of her way to harm and harass anyone. She has simply tried to live a life she can bare while keeping up appearances. She has dared buck against the unjust system and make the best of her circumstances…and because of this, Alicent has done everything in her power to destroy Rhaenyra and her children. Alicent’s behavior is absolutely inexcusable compared to Rhaenyra’s. If Rhaenyra were a prince, no one would really care at all if they were having extramarital activities. Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything truly wrong…except for lying to her “friend”…but seeing how Alicent has behaved, telling her the truth would have done no good. Beyond that, Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything wrong. She might have made what some consider unwise choices and made things more difficult for herself…but the overwhelming majority of the problems she faces are because of Alicent and her never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred…all because Alicent is a jealous, petty little child that has never grown up.
I honestly don’t understand those who crap all over Rhaenyra while bending over backwards to defend Alicent. The things Alicent does are absolutely inexcusable no matter how you slice it. Rhaenyra lies to her about being an “unspoiled” maiden and suddenly she has a never ending, never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred towards her? That’s insanity.
I felt so bad for Alicent in the beginning. Her father forced her into an extremely stressful and uncomfortable situation. She had to marry the king and pump out children. She had to come to his chambers in the evening when beaconed and lie there as the ever more decrepit king climbed on her. When she found out that Rhaenyra had lied to her and had sex with Criston Cole (once mind you), her jealousy and resentment skyrocketed. She had done her “duty” and what she was told…what she was told to do by her father, by the king, and by the culture/society she was raised in. She instantly decided to wear green and declare war upon Rhaenyra…and yes the king…her husband. I thought she was all about doing what was “right” and dutiful? She’s supposed to be the king’s wife first and foremost…and then her father’s daughter.
Alicent did not then confront Rhaenyra and have it out with her…but instead held onto her resentment, bitterness, and hatred for her “friend” for over a decade. I understand her being upset with Rhaenyra for not telling her the truth and even for making a stupid mistake in her eyes. I get it…but I don’t at all get her holding onto all that hatred for over a decade without ever even saying anything to Rhaenyra. She held onto her bitterness, resentment, and hatred…and did everything in her power possible to make Rhaenyra’s and her children’s lives miserable. Alicent also made sure that her children and Criston Cole harbored her ire and hatred for Rhaenyra and her children too. She raised two terrible sons and instilled no decent values, integrity, nor principles in them beyond hating her “friend” and her children and desiring the throne.
Beyond all that, Alicent took down all of the Targaryen artwork, iconography, and historical artifacts in the castle and replaced them with puritanical crap from the Faith of the Seven. Again, how is this being “dutiful” and true to the king? See, Alicent was anxious, stressed, repressed, and longed for a different set of circumstances for herself in the beginning. She had every right to be upset about it. Her father manipulated and forced her into an extremely uncomfortable situation and life she didn’t really want. The cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy in which she was raised made her feel she had to be dutiful…and honestly, she had very little to no choice of her own along the way. Yet she didn’t attempt to change any of it for the better…not even in the slightest. She didn’t raise her children, especially her sons, to respect women and people in general and didn’t instill a sense of kindness, openness, and decency within them either. Instead, Alicent has reenforced the crappy cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy that forced her into a life she didn’t really want. It’s even worse than that though…because she hasn’t just reenforced it, she’s made it more puritanical and oppressive for others.
Alicent has spent a decade (plus) reenforcing and worsening the crap system, raising terrible sons that share her resentment/hatred, and doing everything possible to make Rhaenyra and her children’s lives miserable. Imagine what good she could have done if she had instead focused all that energy she spent in hating and resenting her “friend” and instead put it into making positive changes and raising decent sons.
Rhaenyra, despite her mistakes, has raised decent children. Her “mistakes” weren’t brought about because of her resentment, hatred, and jealousy. She hasn’t gone out of her way to harm and harass anyone. She has simply tried to live a life she can bare while keeping up appearances. She has dared buck against the unjust system and make the best of her circumstances…and because of this, Alicent has done everything in her power to destroy Rhaenyra and her children. Alicent’s behavior is absolutely inexcusable compared to Rhaenyra’s. If Rhaenyra were a prince, no one would really care at all if they were having extramarital activities. Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything truly wrong…except for lying to her “friend”…but seeing how Alicent has behaved, telling her the truth would have done no good. Beyond that, Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything wrong. She might have made what some consider unwise choices and made things more difficult for herself…but the overwhelming majority of the problems she faces are because of Alicent and her never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred…all because Alicent is a jealous, petty little child that has never grown up.
You have to close eye 😮.
There is a lot simpler reason for Alicent not wanting to play ball
She is sick and tired (due to jealousy) of rhaeneyra defying authority, breaking rules, getting away with stuff and experiencing freedoms Alicent could never even dream of.
Alicent was forced to do EVERYTHING. That resentment is so thick there is virtually no way for her to go back now, especially when her husband is near death
Deadass...that's exactly it.
I honestly don’t understand those who crap all over Rhaenyra while bending over backwards to defend Alicent. The things Alicent does are absolutely inexcusable no matter how you slice it. Rhaenyra lies to her about being an “unspoiled” maiden and suddenly she has a never ending, never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred towards her? That’s insanity.
I felt so bad for Alicent in the beginning. Her father forced her into an extremely stressful and uncomfortable situation. She had to marry the king and pump out children. She had to come to his chambers in the evening when beaconed and lie there as the ever more decrepit king climbed on her. When she found out that Rhaenyra had lied to her and had sex with Criston Cole (once mind you), her jealousy and resentment skyrocketed. She had done her “duty” and what she was told…what she was told to do by her father, by the king, and by the culture/society she was raised in. She instantly decided to wear green and declare war upon Rhaenyra…and yes the king…her husband. I thought she was all about doing what was “right” and dutiful? She’s supposed to be the king’s wife first and foremost…and then her father’s daughter.
Alicent did not then confront Rhaenyra and have it out with her…but instead held onto her resentment, bitterness, and hatred for her “friend” for over a decade. I understand her being upset with Rhaenyra for not telling her the truth and even for making a stupid mistake in her eyes. I get it…but I don’t at all get her holding onto all that hatred for over a decade without ever even saying anything to Rhaenyra. She held onto her bitterness, resentment, and hatred…and did everything in her power possible to make Rhaenyra’s and her children’s lives miserable. Alicent also made sure that her children and Criston Cole harbored her ire and hatred for Rhaenyra and her children too. She raised two terrible sons and instilled no decent values, integrity, nor principles in them beyond hating her “friend” and her children and desiring the throne.
Beyond all that, Alicent took down all of the Targaryen artwork, iconography, and historical artifacts in the castle and replaced them with puritanical crap from the Faith of the Seven. Again, how is this being “dutiful” and true to the king? See, Alicent was anxious, stressed, repressed, and longed for a different set of circumstances for herself in the beginning. She had every right to be upset about it. Her father manipulated and forced her into an extremely uncomfortable situation and life she didn’t really want. The cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy in which she was raised made her feel she had to be dutiful…and honestly, she had very little to no choice of her own along the way. Yet she didn’t attempt to change any of it for the better…not even in the slightest. She didn’t raise her children, especially her sons, to respect women and people in general and didn’t instill a sense of kindness, openness, and decency within them either. Instead, Alicent has reenforced the crappy cultural/societal expectations and unjust hierarchy that forced her into a life she didn’t really want. It’s even worse than that though…because she hasn’t just reenforced it, she’s made it more puritanical and oppressive for others.
Alicent has spent a decade (plus) reenforcing and worsening the crap system, raising terrible sons that share her resentment/hatred, and doing everything possible to make Rhaenyra and her children’s lives miserable. Imagine what good she could have done if she had instead focused all that energy she spent in hating and resenting her “friend” and instead put it into making positive changes and raising decent sons.
Rhaenyra, despite her mistakes, has raised decent children. Her “mistakes” weren’t brought about because of her resentment, hatred, and jealousy. She hasn’t gone out of her way to harm and harass anyone. She has simply tried to live a life she can bare while keeping up appearances. She has dared buck against the unjust system and make the best of her circumstances…and because of this, Alicent has done everything in her power to destroy Rhaenyra and her children. Alicent’s behavior is absolutely inexcusable compared to Rhaenyra’s. If Rhaenyra were a prince, no one would really care at all if they were having extramarital activities. Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything truly wrong…except for lying to her “friend”…but seeing how Alicent has behaved, telling her the truth would have done no good. Beyond that, Rhaenyra hasn’t done anything wrong. She might have made what some consider unwise choices and made things more difficult for herself…but the overwhelming majority of the problems she faces are because of Alicent and her never ceasing resentment, bitterness, and hatred…all because Alicent is a jealous, petty little child that has never grown up.