The Founder of DW Drums told me to do THIS - Testing 5 Drum Hacks
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- Опубліковано 5 сер 2022
- Testing 5 more drum hacks!
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Dom Lombardi Floor Tom Leg Trick:
• Floor Tom Trick, Pt. 1
Simon Phillips Paint Can Bass Drum Trick:
• Simon Phillips, studio...
• The Simon Phillips Ses...
Sounds Like A Drum Hoop Protector/Grip:
• Simple, Inexpensive Dr...
Drumeo/me Felt Pad on Beater:
• 25 Drum Hacks Anyone C...
Driven to Drum Heat Gun Dent Removal:
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GEAR:
- Stuff -
Empty Paint Can: (theyre cheaper at hardware stores)
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Furniture Felt Pads: (not the ones I used, but these look softer. Also, this is probably the best deal incase have like 50 beaters lol)
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3m Safety Walk Roll:
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Heat Gun:
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Magic Erasers:
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- Microphones/Headphones -
Earthworks ICON Pro:
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Pair of Slate ML-1 (as overheads):
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Austrian Audio CC8 (as rooms):
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Earthworks DM20 (toms):
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Earthworks SR20LS (snare top):
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Lewitt DTP 640 REX Bass Drum Mic
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Shure SM57 (snare bottom):
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Austrian Audio Hi-X60 Headphones:
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- Drums / Cymbals-
DW Collectors Maple:
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Sabian 22" HHX Anthology Low Bell Ride:
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Sabian AAX 18" Thin Crash:
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- Hardware / Sticks -
Tama Road Pro/ Iron Cobra Hardware:
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Roc n’ Soc Drum Throne:
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Vic Firth Freestyle 5b Drum Sticks:
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Vic Firth VKB5 Beater:
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Lowboy Lightweight wood beater:
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Thats right, I'm Testing 5 More Drum Hacks! Sometimes they blow your mind and sometimes they kinda, sorta, barely work. Either way, these are some that I've been wanting to try out for awhile now. First is something DW told me to do to my drum set. Dom Lombardi, founder of DW Drums, shows us that flipping over your floor tom legs reduces the sustain of the drum. Kinda funny because DW's whole thing is about the tone/sustain of their shells. Anyways... another classic trick made famous by Simon Phillips is sticking a paint can in your kick drum to tighten up the sound. There was a very subtle difference with it in vs out, but it does tighten up the sound! Sounds Like A Drum is a great channel on UA-cam that talks about all the nerdy stuff that drummers think about. They did an episode on some cheap and easy drum hacks and one that stuck with me was about a product used for making bass drum hoop protectors. Out of all the stuff I've tried for hoop protectors there solution is by far the easiest/cheapest/most effective way to add one to your drum! Man, I didn't realize how much bass drum stuff was in this episode. Oh well, on my visit to Drumeo we filmed a video about 25 drum hacks and one thing I talked about was adding a felt pad to a wooden beater to change its sound. I would suggest finding the softest one you can find since the one I used didn't make the craziest difference. Use the link at the top of the description and sign up for a free month of Drumeo and check out my series called "DIY Drum Experiments." I show that hack there and it worked better for whatever reason. Who cares tho, I doubt you made it this far reading lol. Last on the list is an age old hack about reviving a dented up drum head with a heat gun. Something I talked about in my first testing 5 drum hacks video. Oh the good ole days...
DW Told Me To Do This To My Drum Set - Testing 5 More Drum Hacks
Dude, you nailed it! Drummers are always talking about tom resonance, and how they want their toms to sing, and then immediately drop on moon gels, snare weights, gaff tape, whatever! We don’t make drum sets anymore, but when we did, I was always trying to convince drummers to let me mount a bracket on the shell when they gave me reference recordings of toms with super fast decay. I was like, “we can build you drums that just sound like that naturally, and you won’t have to add a bunch of muffling that can also cause other problems.” It was a hard sell, for sure. And man, don’t get me started on metal drummers who want super deep kick drums, and then add triggers. I’m like, dude, let me make you a 24” kick drum that is 8” or 10” deep, and I can make it sound exactly like what you want, and you won’t need triggers or any other electronics! Also, an extremely hard sell. *sigh* people listen with their eyes, man. Anyway, dope video as always dude, thanks for making them!
musicians are kind of supersticious. they just copy each other. the only way you could sell products like that is to convince (I mean really) a famous drummer to (really) use them and make a contract with them.
I think people want a “round” tone, not necessarily a dead tone. The gels are a means to that end
I find 14" depth is perfect for kick any size. When they're 16" or more deep, the air just moves around to much... no punch!
Not a drummer. But am a drum tech. The heat gun trick usually only works one time. If you do it a second time your stick is going through the head once you start playing them. Because the heat cycles make the material brittle.
Any OGs remember the floor tom drum stick leg hack?
I do
Yes
absofruitley
Yep
of course
That little heatgun trick just saved me a fortune in drum heads! Thank you sir. This video was time well spent from a financial standpoint!
I think you may have mentioned this at some point but one of my favourite hacks is this.
For a protection bass hoop use the slip that you get with your pair of new drumsticks and put it on the bottom of the hoop and get your pedal over it.
thank you
Been doing that all my life although usually with cardboard
That's one of the hacks from the very first hacks video I think... the one where he was just going through the cool stuff that he does to make life easier
@@rockinlawnman359 yeah i remember this one FROM david!
Hoop protector = cut up bicycle tire tube. It wont damage your hoop (no adhesive), and can wrap around the hoop yo protect the edges and underside.
Damn just commented and see this :P
@@besticouldget great minds think alike...
If no adhesive is used ,do you have to reposition the tube every time you move your kick for a gig? It comes off when you remove your pedal correct?
I'm a simply a Recreational Drummer at 70 yo, whom plays about 1 hour a day for Pleasure. Since resurrecting playing drums after 50 years (1969), I've been watching many UT videos about Drumming and Drum Tuning etc. I've learned a lot od "stuff" that i had no clue about in 1969: various drum heads, drum tuning, different sticks, etc. All affecting the sound. Currently playing on a PDP Concept Maple Kit with 3 Rack Toms, 2 Floor Toms, 2 accessory snares (1 Popcorn and 1 Piccolo snare), all with different heads. On the Toms I use Evans G2 coated on the 8" rack Tom, Evans EC2s Clear on the 10 & 12 " toms, and Evans G2s Coated on the 14 & 16 " Floor toms. HD Dry on the 14X 6.5 DW Design series Snare, Remo stock head on the Mapex piccolo snare and a Remo with sound control center ring on the PDP Popcorn snare. On the ack Toms and the floor Toms I found that using a Evans E-Ring placed on the batter heads gets me to that nice Doooo, Dooooo sound that Jared describes in his Drumeo video. And I employ this weird thing. I use a cheap Griffin Piccolo Snare 13 X 3.5 with a HD Dry batter head and set it atop of the DW Design Series snare on the snare stand... I know , WTF you may ask? It works though.. nice Crack on the snare, and when i feel like a change, I adjust the snare stand and play the Design Series 14 X 6.5 snare. The Kick Drum (or Bass drum), I have Aquarian II reso head and an Aquarian Batter heas with a Muffling Ring. The biggest challenge is the "ringing" overtone form the Floor Toms. Sounds Like a Drum suggests placing Cotton Balls inside the drum. Never tried that yet. Happy Drumming Folks. My days are geting numbered bc arthritis is staring to encroach into my hands and fingers - the left hand particularly bad.
glad to see you are at it!!!
my grandfather refers to arthritis as his ol'pal arthur-i said "arthur?" he looked at myself & smiled and eluded to "ritis." I smirked and told him "well played,good sir. Well-played."😁
@Aldo M. I hear you I get it in the hands and feet. Stretch the wrist gently and slowly before and after practice. The colder it is the easier amount of stretching. Meaning take a little more warm up time to stretch. Also salads, Kale, carrots, collard greens and squash will provide better connective tissue for you.
Limit computer time and non argonomic activities. Better days ahead.
this man still rockin screen savors
cant be fryin up my $100 costco monitors lol
“That was a sick stick flip” 😂
I screamed when the Dollar Tree drummer came back 😂
For floor toms-I still stand by the old cotton ball trick: throw a small handful of cotton balls into the open tom, then put the batter head back on. The cotton balls will flop up when you hit the drum and land in the reso head, therefor cutting off the resonance to a controllable level.
Testing out 5 more drum hacks! Most of these are very subtle, but do make a slight difference. Try em out for yourself!
What are some other hacks you want to see tested? 🤔
make a snare with 70 air vents!!!!!
I was getting ready to type and ask if you could recommend a way to repair old drum heads and then you did the heat gun trick. Serendipity.
Through shell mount vs suspension mount for toms, esp big toms, like a floor tom, for more sustain control?
Someone demoed to me the much louder hit with a lot less effort. He hit the snare full arm swing with a lot of force, then, he hit it again just using wrist motion, there was a significant difference in volume, the wrist hit was louder and more focused.
Do e-drum hacks
Babe wake up, rdavidr posted
Yeah I could go for a giant Moongel video
It's now the Dollar twenty-five tree drummer lmao
So the paint can genuinely sounds like a good idea. I have an sq2 with the rocket mount. It’s medium birch and it isn’t super punchy, because birch kicks aren’t, but with that like 30 pound rocket mount it’s got some thud.
idk man birch is known for being punchy? what head are you using on your kick drum? 😁
@@lukecarodrums, the most legendary birch player, Steve gadd, often complained of the birch kick drums on recording custom drums. His “Steve gadd custom kit” was all birch toms and a maple bass. That’s why new Yamaha recording customs have weighted lugs.
But anyhow I have a p3 on it
@@lukefreeman970 That's true. For me, only flow of the birch drum kits is the kick. Maple bass drums has better sound.
This was very meta and also very informative. Although since you didn't wear a lab coat with the bass drum head protector grip tester, so until it is peer-reviewed we can't trust the results 100%
What does meta mean?
@@johnsherman6585 Meta is when something refers back to or is about itself
He _is_ the peer review, since he's testing something someone else said.
It’s so crazy seeing how much better his quality has gotten over the five + years I’ve been watching
Best BD hoop protector is some piece of old bike inner tire! (imo)
Very cool. Don’t forget to try the wooden board under the floor tom trick too some time. I used that one last time I was in the studio. Neither me or my engineer had heard of it but the studio owner who happened to be hanging out while we worked on drum tones for the record suggested we try it out. Sure enough it actually changed the sound and we ended up going with it.
great video! i really enjoy watching your drum hack videos. also that dw oyster kit is so pretty!
Oh man, that couple of seconds of the "Dollar Store Drummer" really gave a trip down memory lane of your old videos with your own tracks as backgroud music :')
Hello just found your channel and have spent nearly all night watching. Great channel great information and very professional editing.
Always liked those classic finishes on the drums. Good choice Dave! Don Lombardi is a class act.
The kit I currently have came with two suspended low toms. I converted the lower one with a leg kit but noticed it reduced the sustain quite a bit. After a little research, I ended up replacing the springs for the hoop and the stock rubber feet with the Pearl ones. After that, the resonance came back and was nearly identical to the suspended tom. Great channel. Keep up the good work!
I've been using skateboard grip tape as a hoop protector, and on my pedalboards for years, works great.
The floor time connection to the floor can make a big difference (or not, depending on the drum). I had a 14" floor tom that did not resonate well on its feet, but sounded great when tipped up on two legs. I bought different feet with "floater" rubber bottoms, put those on the legs, and it was instantly way better. It "decoupled" the feet from the floor and for whatever reason on that particular drum made a huge difference.
That's nuts about the heat gun renewing the heads. I never thought to do that, but it seems perfectly logical to do so. Thanks.
“Is your WOOD too hard just soften it up a bit” -rdavidr 😂
Duuuuuude love that kick tone with the paint can
When there’s a new rdavidr vid, it’s a good day.
c o r n y
🌽🌽🌽
true
Great video. Stayed for the tips. Smiled when I saw my old Blue Sparkle Pioneer being used in a video from RdavidR.
no joke, you texted me that vistalite pic right as I was talking about the heat gun lol
@@rdavidr ... awesome ... I'm loving that kit. gigging tonight. Might take it out again.
That's a neat trick to give new life to pitted heads. I have to say, though, if your heads are getting pitted a lot, it would be a good idea to look at how you are hitting. I've seen where some drummers, in an effort to have rack toms lower, will set the toms at a severe angle. The problem is that the sticks wind up not hitting the heads at an optimum angle. The sticks at impact are nowhere near to being almost parallel to the heads. The beads of the stick end up digging into the heads.
Another thing I see some drummers do is not letting the sticks come off the heads after impact. Dead sticking can be an interesting effect. Benny Grebb does it a lot. The difference is that he is doing it intentionally and he is not driving his sticks into the heads. What is really hard on drumheads is hitting with a firm grip and letting the beads of the sticks dig into the heads. I remember one drummer who had brought to an open jam a small auxiliary snare drum with a brand new head on it. Most of the drummers were playing it with good technique and it was fine. But one fellow, after he was done playing, left several deep pits in it. The owner was less than pleased.
Finally, the other culprit I see to pitting heads is the "basher". He is the one who hits as hard as he can in an effort to be the loudest drummer in the room. Apart from destroying heads, he is also working against what he is trying to achieve. At some point, hitting harder only chokes the drum and actually kills it's potential loudness. It is far better to use stick velocity with a relaxed grip and let the stick rebound off the head. This way the drum can "speak" with its full voice. And the heads don't lose their tone after just two songs.
While I'll admit I don't usually play very loud, as most of the venues I play tend to be on the small side, my heads can last a long time with rarely any pitting. And when I do need to play a greater volume I try to "pull" the sound out of my drums, something I was taught. I also use rimshots for my backbeats. It takes a lot less effort to achieve the same result. Plus, I'm in my sixties. I won't last very long if I'm bashing.
age isnt anything except for experience & life lessons learned. I like your train of thought, my friend.
@Jake Loranger
I know exactly what your saying. Some of those bashers never learn the musical aspect of it. Especially the know it all types that really don't know diddley. They don't even know Boe Diddley. It really can wear on you after a while. Especially when they can't recognize good advice if it saved their life.
Good comment though. U know yo proffession.
@@chrismallios1621 Thanks. I've noticed that a lot of those bashers think the measure of a good drummer is how loud he can play. As in the loudest drummer is the best one. It's actually kind of funny to see three or four of these guys (they're usually guys) at an open mic jam. Each one hits louder than the previous one. lol
This needs to be in one Eloy Casagrande’s videos. Everyone there raves about him being the best drummer in the world because of how hard he hits, I believe it’s just idiotic to waste that much effort when I also learned early on that you can be much louder following the steps you mentioned. (Ducks for cover from all the Eloy fans).
Definitely like the floor tom trick in terms of taming it in OH mics. Chances are in most cases you're gonna gate the direct mic, so the tail isn't really of any concern as it's being cut off anyway, but having a little quicker decay so it doesn't linger in the room can be helpful if you're recording something where the OH and room mics are prevalent. I'm sure the thickness of the shells and of course the heads and tuning also play a big role but all other things being equal that's kind of a neat hack. I'd be interested to hear the difference between say, having on a carpet (as most do) vs if you put the floor tom directly on a hard surface.
Laugh and Learn. My favorite combination. Well done!
Beautiful kit.
Great hacks! The weight in the bass drum makes sense. Yamaha added mass to the lugs on the new generation recording custom for the same reason.
A weight in the Bass drum
Was standard fare in the studio in the old days. (The goddamn Beatles did it fcs;-))
That heat gun trick is nuts!
Teach us how to hack into the mainframe of the drums next David!
if I only I knew...
The reflection shot from in the bass drum was sick!
Great upload! Alot of good stuff here
Seeing that heat gun on the drum head makes me think about bassists who boil their strings.
Great video, Dave! I’ve actually used the paint can idea in the studio before and absolutely love it. p.s….plz make a giant moon gel video 😁
2nd that!
A piece of an old leather belt is also a quite nice and really stable hoop protector!
I've been dealing with a pretty big career change over the last few months so I haven't been watching much youtube. But I've gotta say, this is one of the channels I've missed the most. Always entertaining and I always walk away with something new to try out. Thanks for the rad content, dude!
Cool
Great sounding kit!
Cool, saving my time with experimentation. 🥁🤘🏻
Seeing the floor tom flipped, the first thing I'm thinking is "dude... that could work for mounting a cowbell". Of course you'd have to remove the rubber foot, and it all depends on the size of the legs and the mount hole on the cowbell but... you never know. It just might work in a pinch...
If you remove the rubber foot, there's no need to flip the leg. The rubber feet are what increases the sustain in the first place.
Always excellent!
Tape a piece of cardboard to the rez head. Then the batter head. Then remove rez head. Then replace drum with cardboard box.
Bwahahaha
I used to throw my dented-up heads in the oven for a few minutes to achieve the same effect as the heat gun. It worked pretty well for a young broke drummer.
That last one is crazy! Never would have thought!
I always used the heating technique to remove the dents from my snare drum head. But I use the flame in the stove to do that. For me works really good.
Very good ideas, I myself use weather stripping on my kit to muffing the sound, it works great and it takes a lot of the over tones out and it's easy to remove and it's cheap, try it 👍
Awesome content man!👌
I heard the floor tom leg trick15 years ago. Studio engineers have been doing the weight in the kick drum with sand bags for a long time, I could barely tell a sound difference so it prob wouldn’t translate to the listener of a track either. Good stuff Dave!
The heat gun trick is still unbelievable for me
Paint can deadens shell vibration via dampening it with mass. All it does.
We've experimented with other similar things, a light, fuzzy felt bag w/ sand on top of bass drum etc. Original intention was to prevent sympathetic Tom Tom ring when bass drum was hit, but it also tightened up the BD sound.
Good for hard rock, metal. Busy music.
Thanks for another cool video.
Really enjoyed your work fella.
Don Lombardi is a legend. I see him around town sometimes.
Thanks for another great video! I have heard about the Simon paintcan hack for years, but your test showed a clear difference, I will now finally try it myself.
The difference was much smaller on the wooden-to-felt beater test. I think there should be a much thicker layer of felt. Video suggestion: create your own diy very soft felt beater, like the vater vintage bomber? Or even fluffier?
Of course you allready did 😄 ua-cam.com/video/I5VmEcyg2j8/v-deo.html
I'm an OG from the 90's drumming on and off and the best thing I found using protection to connect the pedal to the bass drum is by cutting a bicycle tube into a 4' long piece of tubing and then cut the tubing on one side so it still folding, place it on your hoop like your creating a sandwich and instant rubber protection for your hoop.
Your studio has come such a long way from when you first started… along with the kits you play. Do you attribute this to your UA-cam videos or other various gigs and work you do?
Have you ever made a video on your tuning for your toms? I love that floor Tom tone and would love to replicate it on my kit
There’s a drum hack that I’ve never been able to use that’s called “buy a new one”, which for drums and all of their pieces and parts are not that dissimilar to guitarists and their pedalboards, of which I have experience with both.
Right On!!! The drummer and I in our band Pig Splitter just put the floor tom on the top rack. Then got another floor tom. Super deep sound now.
I love the music on the bass drum hoop portion...lol.
btw, your overall drum sound is way better than before. kudos!
I like the sound of the kit and the cymbals
Ive been a fan since the middle life span of this channel(aka you moving houses)and imm gonna be here for the long run
Great Program!!
Popped in TOTO live in Amsterdam...looking for kickdrum paint cans now...yep there in those giant magnificent maple kicks
When u did the kick drum paint can hack, what snare are u using and what skin? It sounds amazing 🤘
That heat gun hack was sick! Im takin that home for sure.
You can also use a mesh head on the reso side of the kick if you want to keep tension on the shell but not have something resonating.
that giant Moongel cracks me up! Your videos are THE BEST
Mic sounds great. I love those Earthworks, beauty and made in America.
The heat gun trick is amazing! And - pretty much like your humor! ;^)
There’s a vid by Sounds Like a Drum where they explain the paint van thing but with a sandbag. Essentially, all that weight is stifling the resonance of the shell so that just the heads are bouncing the energy around, aside from creating some diffusion from breaking up the air reflection points in the shell
What’s interesting about that is, it’s also the philosophy that Sonor used on their older thicker shelled drums. Tama too.
The last drum hack with the heat gun is genius, I want to try it on the kit at school as the heads are super dented and sound horrible, whether the music teacher allows me to is the question lol. 👍
I turned my Lowboy wood faced beater into a Leather face beater in the same fashion. My son does leather work and had some extra so bingo!
I have had a Roger's bass drum pedal 40 odd years a clamp goes on the bass drum hoop, besides the odd grease and oil its never been any trouble fantastic
Roasting the DW Tom with the heat gun.....hard to watch!🤦🏻♂️😬
Great vid otherwise David haha! Thx
I stumbled onto this reality by mistake. Bought a Gretsch Catalina, and the floors had these solid little "plastic feet". Sounded like a box when sitting on the floor, but if raised from the floor they sang very long. I bought some of the Pearl quality feet that they use on their Master's kits....Nailed it...."super-sustainability"😃
This is gold 🥇🥇🥇!
Definitely dude!!! 🤘🏻
5:07 I would kill for that bass drum sound! Even before you started tweaking it.
A very easy way to dent Tom heads is with corpmaster sticks, I learned that the hard way
I glued a cymbal felt on my Iron Cobra beater it worked great.
Mounting a small stack on the leg would be cool.
I like Automotive Gasket material for hoop protection. This works great without any adhesive.
I remember back in the day when one of the manufacturers used straight legs for their floor toms - yeah!
Good video David
That heat gun trick I learned it when I was in a marching band budget was tight and it's hard and expensive to get drum heads where I was from, great hack but after once or twice the head was heated it's prone to cracking
10:12 “is your wood too hard?” Well my friend, that’s none of your business! 😂
The mic is omg fantastic
David, you guys need to do a feat video with the Sounds Like a Drum crew!
Dude it sounded a freaking amazing the first time
I never put anything in my bass drum. It takes longer to tune well, but once you get it matched out to the rest of the set, it sounds so much better. Emad heads help
I've been playing for nearly 35 years , I've never used moon gel or tape , I learned early on to spend time tuning both heads on the drum .