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Episode 211 - Surefire SOCOM556-RC3 vs. RC2 - Technical Discussion and Research (15-MAY-2024)
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- Опубліковано 14 тра 2024
- Today’s Topics:
1. Sound Signature Review 6.151: the Surefire SOCOM556-RC3 on the standard 10.3-in MK18 (pewscience.com...) . Two mounts. 3-Prong and closed-tine WARCOMP. Same old conclusion? No, actually. Technical discussion of this white paper published last week. (00:07:03)
2. Research Supplement 6.152: Surefire RC2 vs. RC3 - What Changed? The Quietest 5.56 Rifle Silencers - Taming the MK18, Part 5 (pewscience.com...) . We do a deep dive into the technologies in the RC2 and RC3 for PEW Science Members, and give actionable performance data for field use. (00:51:04)
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Jay, just finished the podcast and appreciate your analysis. My experience with both the RC2 and RC3 on a MK18 (Crane Socom cut barrel, pin gauged 0.070" gas port, H2 buffer) mirror your conclusions. The RC3 is picky about ammo types and will demonstrate less flash when used with M855A1 and MK262 mod 1 vs anemic PMC bronze 55gr. This may be because of flash suppressant additives but regardless, the flash performance is disappointing. Overall, I much prefer to shoot my MK18 with the RC3 vs RC2 simply for less gas and much less fouling. For my LE / Mil vets, the RC3 can be found for around $1450 from popular online distributors, which makes it an easier pill to swallow.
Have you used the RC3 with ammunition other than the Federal XM193? If so, did you notice a difference in flash signature?
Thank you so much for sharing your experience, sir, and thanks for listening to the podcast. No sir, we have not evaluated the silencer with other ammunition types. I have no doubt that different ammunition types, specifically those with different additives, could produce different visual signatures.
Jay has never experienced any suicidal thoughts and is not a danger to anyone. Nor does he have any information regarding Boeing.
Thank you ❤️ THIS IS TRUE
I've switched to posting your UA-cam pod casts places instead of the research articles because I presume people can't read.
The hope is, people will read AND listen, but I guess you never know :)
Fuck em. Keep doing what you’re doing.
indeed, thank you sir
As soon as you said the rc3's higher muzzle signature nullifies the benefit of its reduced port signature the rc2 vs rc3 debate ceased to be as simple as choosing one characteristic over another and the hand-wringing commenced. I'd be upset if I'd paid nearly $2k for an rc3, but I also wouldnt be directing my hate towards pew science.
Emotions certainly run high, and yes, that is a significant amount of money for a lot of people.
It is our hope that as we continue this research effort, folks will not only have a better understanding of these systems, but the public at large will be better informed before commiting to purchases. That has always been the goal and is the entire impetus for the PEW Science laboratory.
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haha I love that show! Thanks for listening, sir
Jay, I dont know if you addressed this. But Surefire recommends only the SF3P/4P (for the RC3). Not closed tines. Which makes no sense for RC2 owners with multiple muzzle devices. Personally I think they made the RC3 for the SF4P. Which is heavily used in the military. On the mk18 and URGI 14.5".
Our testing and analysis indicates that the erratic first shot behavior occurs regardless of mount, and the post-FRP consistency with the closed-tine WARCOMP is almost identical to that of the 3-prong flash hider. So, we can't confirm performance factors are isolated to closed-tine mounts, no sir. The data does not yet support that - we would need more testing.
I'm curious to know what the rating would be if the first shot didn't exist.
That's a really great question, sir. Since the first shot is so important to suppressed system performance, it is always included in the computation. However, as it is only one fifth of the shot string, it obviously can only play so much of a role.
The reality here is that "first round suppression performance" has always been something many folks care about, in regard to both sound signature and flash signature.
Would love to see a mk18 round of tests on the cat JL. I know it’s quiet, but how quiet?
Thanks for that feedback!
Hopefully it performs better on the mid gas 14.5 host
That will be an interesting evaluation, particularly due to the more severe ejection port hazards on that system.
@TheJaySituation please compare these on a mid length 14.5, and if possible also compare these to the mini 2 762. I don't see much data on such a setup, and I don't know why
@@TheGunNerd it will come! Thank you for your interest in the research.
@@TheJaySituation appreciate it! If possible I'm really focused on flash and back pressure. I was considering the rc3 but lol not after listening to your podcast comparing it to the rc2.
I am glad you compared the two suppressors. I honestly believe the rc3 is just a rc2 with a flow end cap welded on and up the price dramatically. They didn’t think about applying a flash hiding flow through end cap because the rc2 flash suppression is so good. That being said, i will still get one because i want to see for myself but thinking about waiting a little bit for surefire to redesign the rc3 and make it better
There are geometric features at the distal end of the RC3 that are engineered to reduce the propensity for visual flash to propagate. So, it is clear from looking at the design, that Surefire did consider that performance goal. Not all "flash hiding" features are external!
@@TheJaySituation got you. Im still going to get one to see for myself. Not sure if I want to wait to see if they make any changes or get the rc3 now. I have 2 rc2s and they are really gassy. Main reason why those ARs are sitting in my safe. Never thought about using them unless I REALLY need to. Do you think I should wait or go ahead?
@@phillip6919851 we really can't recommend specific silencers for people to buy, but if you are invested in the Surefire mount ecosystem and you want to stay with Surefire, and your goal is reduced blowback, the RC3 certainly may meet your requirements. How are you using your weapon systems?
@@TheJaySituation I mainly run oss/huxwrx on my 556 rifles and run dead air nomads for my 300 blackouts. I also have an omega 300 on one of my 300 blackout. I have surefire on 2 of my geisseles bc the rc2 is like a tank and I want to keep that option available if SHTF. I was waiting for sure to come out with a LBP silencer but after seeing the price and reviews, I’m not sure what to do that is why I want to know what you think.
My Mama says Pew Science is the Devil!!! 😂
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Morning Jay!
Good morning to you, as well! Thanks for listening!
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Bro this whole vid was an advertisement for your sponsors. There’s only like 2mins of suppressor talk. Jesus
@@LsxAbel timestamps are in all episode descriptions on all platforms. Thanks for listening!
Why did you stop posting on Spotify?
The episodes should be posting there! Are they not showing up for you?
Can you do b&t rbs sf next please
thanks for the suggestion!
people just get emotional about things they shouldn't. i've seen the same level of vitriolic responses to content creators posting about coffee for god's sake. i mean can you imagine sending death threats to someone over a youtube video on how to make coffee? jesus. secondly, any plans (and i suspect the answer is no and nor will there be in the near future) to test the B&T SRBS?
We concur - it's crazy! And yes, we certainly would like to evaluate that silencer series. Demand is rather low at the moment, but we've added it to the list, and we'll keep an eye on it!
@@TheJaySituation haha, yea theres definitely more popular cans out there waiting to be tested. did the gemtech abyss ever make it you guys for testing? they posted on social media it was supposed to be.
@@Masrafi we can neither confirm nor deny the status of such test programs. Stay tuned!
Please stop…just stop!
When I came across this I was eager to hear what you had gleaned from your research on this topic, instead I get almost 15+ minutes of petty & unnecessary drama. I tune into casts like this, because it doesn’t have all the daytime tv show drama. But I had to shut it off because it just kept going on & on, and it didn’t stop.
Maybe I’ll try again, but jump ahead the first 20-30 minutes.
You guys are waaaayyyyyy too intelligent to be producing rants like this. Benefits no one
@@vincevera7340 sorry you feel that way- thanks for listening and we do consider all feedback.
I knew Surefire was good at gaslighting but it turns out they took it literally…
Rc3 is ugly af
The front is certainly different than the RC2.....