New Duelling Wand is Absolutely Broken (OSRS)
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- This new wand will absolutely shift the mid game meta for irons, especially with the inclusion of elemental weaknesses. Not only is it stronger than Iban's Blast, but it may also take advantage of elemental weaknesses to serve as something like a "magic blowpipe"
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nevermind they completely changed it
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They need to pick one. It either needs to be elemental so it benefits from the tome they're adding OR it needs to be a comparable spell to un-elemental ones like powered staves/Iban's. Making it do both eliminates the whole point of project rebalance
Yup it's double dipping. It's stronger than current Powered Staves AND it benefits from elementals. What's the point of the system then lol
yeah, between this and the proposed magic gear changes, it really feels like they either haven't told us the real reason for the changes or they're making changes just to make changes. 0 direction
@@doubleshineis it tho? The wording in the newspost suggested it worked similar to how Ibans staff worked rather than a trident.
At 15 max hit that puts it barely ahead of earth wave, it's still gonna be behind surge, even if it's on Arceus with thralls.
In practice any magic level between 65-85 is completely irrelevant for mains anyways since noone really does any PVM besides barrows at those levels. Also god forbid midgame mage gets some better items. Warped sceptre still has it's niche of being a trident rather than an inbuilt spell.
Iban Blast is a fire spell, so it will benefit just as much with the Tome of Fire
@@reddnerd2449 Ibans doesn't get boosted by tome, tome only refunds the fire runes.
but regardless it doesn't matter much that tome boosts it, it's barely ahead of earth wave dps wise, and behind it if you use staff of the dead or higher. Its ridiculous to pretend that it's some kind of OP item. Earth surge without any staff still blows it out of the water dps wise
At worst its magic level requirement is a bit too low, but that's really not of much relevance either way.
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This update proposal made me realize just how undertuned warped septre actually is lol
I don't think it will be less annoying than Iban's assuming it eats up pages from the tome to give the 10% bonus.
You can't use thralls with it, for anyone with 76+ Magic that's 0.625 dps that powered staves get that this doesn't get. Even against monsters with Earth weaknesses, this is worse than Earth Surge from a Smoke Battlestaff or Staff of the Dead or Kodai Wand, not to mention the Harm Staff. It's only better than Iban Blast if you have a Tome of Earth, so I'm not even sure if it's worth it at Barrows since you have to give up your Ghommal's Hilt. So this weapon's niche is... slayer tasks you should skip, but only for low levels? It seems unreal that a group boss drop would get outclassed by items that cost less than 3 million coins.
they said it may be given to Arceuus spellbook
I don’t think it’s overpowered at all, just seems kinda almost useless. By the time you could probably relatively kill this boss, you would probably have much better mage gear, the people that would be farming this boss this is a useless item, and the low levels that this benefit probably won’t be killing this boss I assume. This is just for them to push the elemental weakness and tome rebalances
it's supposed to be combat lvl 90 jad level pvm, so like lvl 70s. 70 mage would absolutely benefit from this
That's.. kind of a crazy mid game wand. It functions like a 3-Tick powered staff that's boosted by the tome of earth AND has a 30% chance to not consume runes.
That seems pretty overtuned for a mid game wand no? *Unless Kodai is getting changed the dueling wand has a higher chance to not consume runes than it does.
I understood it as the Duelling Wand only gives 3t and 30% save on the Duelling Shot spell, other spells function normally (in speed and rune save)
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Scrap the Earth spell. With a name like "dueling wand" it should be able to cast any elemental spells at 3 ticks with reduced max hits and range. Make it sit between standard casts and the Harm nm staff for dps. Harm staff is a HUGE jump in DPS, rarity and price. There's space to be filled there.
It seems they want to add a weapon for every element instead of generic weapons that can cast all the spells to create diversity in what weapons you grind for
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“Until 85 magic” is nothing though, considering this combo is a pair of rare drops from a boss. You’ll be lucky to get it by 75 magic and use it for a week.
It’ll be fun when the next league starts in varlamore I guess.
As a main, you're using it from 65-85 and it'll probably be cheap as hell given it's a fairly easy boss. For irons, 87 slayer is a pretty steep hurdle. Idk if i'm just super inefficient but even bursting all my tasks I was only 78 mage at 76 slayer.
@@doubleshineThe OSRS news post is misleading. They use trident of the seas, but at lv 78 as you kinda alluded to, you have a Trident of the swamp, which is still better and is an easy pick for a main.
Also, they're nerfing the elemental books to make this relevant. At lvl 75, fire wave is normally unlocked and with a 50% tome would be your best dps over this wand.
So the wand is still just 65-78. And 3 of those levels only are BIS due to a nerf to other options, whilst the other 10 levels require a muddy pages on top of rune costs. Which is the part that makes it bad for Irons vs Ibans.
The dragonbane addition atleast might be interesting, I'm glad they're rethinking the elemental part since it makes the earth spells redundant.
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Pretty sure they said in Project Rebalance powered staves don’t benefit from the elemental weakness system. Nothing in this blog to say this weapon would be any different.
Ibans is not fire
This won’t be earth
I don't think it is broken. It is only stronger than ibans/warped when using pages and/or against monsters weak to that element. Will something like trident of the seas also count as elemental (water), giving it the edge in some cases? At that point it just depends on the monster. Toxic trident is better at any highish magic level. The two great things about this wand though are the fast speed as you point out (hit many low-health enemies) and long attack range.
Do the dps calc at each level. They were very selective about which levels they chose so it’s misleading. Check at levels where trident and warped sceptre gain max hits instead of their chosen ones and you might see those points of more/less damage go to a few levels lower
Forgot to mention this weapon is going to have a 10 TILE attack range, which also can affect DPS positively too
i really don't see it being on arceus spellbook, it seems like the whole point of the elemental damage thing was to breathe some life back into standards, but this wand really doesnt compete very well with charged staves. sure its better damage than a warped sceptre until 95, but i think most accounts will have a trident before that point. the key thing is not being able to benefit from smelling salts, or overloads since spells dont have the scaling max hit powered staves do. at 75 magic using an overload you get 18 levels, boosting you to 93 magic so your dps is better already, and smelling salts have an even bigger boost of 23 putting you at 98. this guts the dueling wands dps in cox and toa, and the places you mage outside of that matter a lot less. the earth attribute could be useful if we knew more mobs that are going to be weak to it, but as of right now all we know are metal drags, waterfiends, and wyrms. 2 of these are skips for a majority of players, and the other one is a mid tier slayer mob.
I can only get behind this if Jagex confirms that Tome of Wrath is in the pipeline. The Tome of wrath must have a 200% magic damage boost to surge spells and it must have a 99% chance of saving runes in the process. It also needs only 1 page to fully charge it permanently.
Honestly, I think the weapon on its own is fine. Especially if it can only be used on the standard spellbook, that seems fine! It only seems overtuned when compared to the warped scepter. The scepter just came out and is already outclassed, that is a PROBLEM.
The amount of runes you save is based on the following infinite sum: Sum of N = 0 to infinity of (1/3)^N. This sum gives the probability of saving a death rune for N consecutive times. The sum converges to 0.5, which means for every death rune you save half a death rune.
I also want to add that the charts confuse me greatly. Why does the warped sceptre and Iban Blast break even in their dps AFTER 85 magic when warped sceptre has a max hit of 20 at 81-85 magic, making it equal in power with the iban blast at those levels when you take difference of ticks into account. That's just one of many weird inconsistencies in the dps chart.
when are those weaknesses coming anyway?
Hopefully never
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You overlooked that the earth spells in the standard spell book will scale up to the fire spells damage
True but that's only +1 max hit so I don't think it actually changes anything (24 for Earth Surge vs. Iban's already hitting 25) and this weapon does more than Iban's so why would you ever use Earth Spells anymore
I don't think that was overlooked, but rather that's not relevant information.
@@doubleshine i think powered staves should be lower dps than spells from a book as you can bring any book you need for utility while also getting max dps it is just the best all around powered staves need to be weaker than a spell book i will give the shadow a pass since it's a mega rare from a raid but all other powered staves are way to strong
I hope the wand is useful. Most everything I've read online is people saying it is way too niche.
It looks strictly better than Iban's till warped sceptre so Irons are gonna absolutely abuse it anytime you need mage damage like for barrows. Otherwise Wyrm tasks are gonna be absolutely nutso damage (imagine Iban's doing 1.5x) and if any other mobs get earth weaknesses it's gonna be really strong. Also no more steel dragon dread!
Realistically it really depends on rate of pages. I can't see myself constantly going to restock pages on a boss that I feasibly can't solo to use it constantly.
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Whats with this bullshit clickbait title?????
It's not really a clickbait title, the current consensus is this wand is garbage and useless outside of a few niches and I'm staking a position that it's actually incredibly powerful and will definitely see use, especially for irons and especially for any monsters in the future weak to earth and may even open up metallic dragons as a more doable slayer task.
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I'm not so sure this will shake up the iron meta. You slay only to 69 slayer for MM2 to unlock the training spot for chins, then it's straight to CG for you. This won't make that much of a difference over such a short time.
After CG, well, how good/fast are metal dragon tasks? I think they'll definitely be faster with the wand! I don't think it will be worth spending hours killing this worm to speed up steel, adamant, and rune dragon tasks. Bronze and iron dragons are awful tasks because they're slow, sure, but also because they have no drops except bones.
It is very common for youtubers to make breathless claims about "this will shake up the ironman meta!" while talking only about players who aren't rushing skilling, aren't rushing CG, aren't delaying slayer, are doing waste of time content like barrows and moons, and at that point... What meta are you even talking about? It's totally fine to say "This could be an account-defining drop for the folks who need it", which is true! This has the potential to be the RCB of the magic world. But if you're going to say "definitely going to shake up midgame ironman meta" please show your calcs and how this compares to the existing meta. At best this is well-meaning sensationalism that is an unfortunately common evil on youtube. At worst this is a lie because you know you don't have the numbers to back up this claim. Please speak with more care in the future.
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Calling this over sensationalism or baseless claims is pretty unfair, the overwhelming response to this weapon has been pretty negative and assuming it's worthless and I'm staking out an unpopular position that it's actually incredibly powerful for the level bracket.
When I say shake up the meta, I mean change typical routes of how people engage content such as using Iban's for Barrows/Rex. Sure CG is optimal as soon as you have access to it, but I highly doubt that even the majority of players are immediately rushing CG and camping there till they get their bofa. This weapon is BIS from 65-95 magic, that is an incredible incredible level range.
Sure you could sit and camp slayer and do burst tasks until you're maxed, but that's just realistically not what people do. They want to go do bossing or other forms of PvM and having a solid mage weapon is absolutely gonna be good to obtain assuming it's not an insane grind.
Saying this won't change the meta because it won't affect the absolute optimal training methods would be like saying the new agility changes won't shift how people engage with agility because you could just Barbarian fish to 99 and your agility will be 70+ by then
What you didn't consider is the 1 tick delay when attacking after moving. Trident doesn't have that since it's not a spell. (Unless this was changed without my knowledge)
Warped scepter using Chaos runes still gives it a solid niche. Will still be recommended for stuff like Barrows and safe spotting Rex.
The 2 chaos rune cost is about the same as 1 death rune cost, so for barrows there's virtually no reason to use it unless you're 95+ magic.
For Rex I can see it for having access to blood spells
@@doubleshine Yeah but it lets you use barrows to stock up on deaths. Or can use this to stock up on chaos instead. I feel like stocking up on deaths is more useful.
What element is warped Sceptre if any? Feels like that's where the difference is going to be significant
Warped Sceptre/Trident/Iban's are all Typeless lol so they dont benefit from weaknesses
@@doubleshine ah and there's no disadvantage for using the wrong type right? Guess you're right then
@@Tetheta yep exactly, it's like if they added a better ibans that also deals 50% bonus damage to dragons
so now i gotta cram a mage cape into my smage role at tob and the runes to cast it. i suppose i can use mist runes and then earth tome
Can't speak for mains but I think it'll probably be fairly niche at least for us irons. Based on what they've said about the boss's intended difficulty it looks like you'll still have to rely on iban's staff/warped sceptre for awhile before you can even do the boss. Once you have the wand it would obviously be better than those for something with an earth weakness, but beyond that I think you're still going to have to pick and choose what you use it on because it being a 3t, low max hit spell will absolutely rip through tome charges. Assuming muddy pages add 20 charges like other pages do then casting the spell continuously would use over a page and a half a minute
This is basically a blowpipe for magic
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Feel like this entirely depends on whether it's worth to grind from a time perspective - like, if it's actually a lengthy grind i dont see this being worth doing .
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duelling wand sound like its two hands weapon based on name
What about the name tells you it's a two-handed weapon?
Do you hold your ring of dueling with both hands?
@@Raymoclaus dueling like dual
@@astolfo2305 ah
Duel = Fight. Usually one-on-one.
Dual = Two or pair.
Depending on the required spellbook, I might be using this at Nylos in ToB. Although after reading the comments, I do agree that a powered staff shouldn't be benefiting from elemental weaknesses. It completely undermines the system before it's even released.
It's not a powered staff. It's like the Iban's staff, God staves, Slayer staff. It is a spell component just like runes are. A major benefit of powered staves is that they free your options for spellbook choice, meaning you can run thralls or ancients while retaining solid single target dps.
@@TheCWasson12 thanks for the clarification. That makes it make more sense.
@@TheCWasson12 If that's the case then that means Duelling Shot should be on a specific spellbook, like Iban's Blast. However, the word "spellbook" is not mentioned a single time in the blog post.
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