I've read somewhere that in this timeline, Abraham Lincoln died during the civil war, and the Immortal took his place for a couple of years until the assassination
@@dsargus3 There's an Easter egg in episode 3 implying this also. The Mt. Rushmore scene. Ever notice which President got his head blown off and then replaced?
The majority of this episode kept those who read the comic book at the edge of our seat. The whole Cecil trying to slow down and stop Omni-man doesn't happen in the comic. Just great tension. Looking forward to seeing your reaction to the finale.
yeah especially since in the comics cecil didn't even have the ability to transport until a little later on, they definitely reordered quite a few events
@@Morten_Storvik 1 year later but hell nah. They're in high school. Those relationships do not last. She cannot be trusted with his secret Identity, no high school bf/gf should.
Yeah that flash scene of immortal basically showing him being around since near the beginning of time and flashing the different people he became throughout history, crazy.
Soma is a video game that is all about the existential problem of cloning yourself into another body, in case you guys haven't heard of it. This is what that scene in this episode reminded me of.
Soma is a game, the premise is your mind has been copy and pasted into a new form. Not cut and paste, copy and paste. Similar to that happened to Rudy and the Twins
I do love how people are trying to normalize Amber's reaction by equating it to the real world. Invincible is a superhero. Nothing in our world compares, except maybe an undercover agent? (And I think she completely overreacted and was a jerk).
She had every right to react the way she did. Mark was not honest with her about something that could endanger her life regardless whether she knew or not.
Her reaction was understandable tho… he should’ve just told her. They had been together for months and were serious about each other. It’s more dangerous for her not to know than knowing.
@@iris-xo Six months with a high school girlfriend is the worst reason I can think of to share a secret identity. Between shapeshifting aliens and secret supervillains, literally anyone who isn’t family or a long time friend shouldn’t know.
@@Morten_Storvikhe wasn’t honest to her because it literally puts her life in danger and they haven’t even known each other that long, also it isn’t up to her what he does and doesn’t tell her
i disagree with amber she was mad about the lying but proceeded to lie herself about knowing of marks identity and instead chose to give him a hard time last episode for running away even though she knew he is the one that saved them i get that she’s a teenager but if she’s supposed to be mature and smart she certainly didn’t act that way this last two episodes
It wasn't her SECRET! If you've found out your partner's secret, it's logical to wait until your partner feels comfortable enough to tell you himself. Let's say - Superboy and Miss Martian in Young justice.
Exactly! If she figured it out, and was *really* mad about the lying...it’s even worse that she reacted by lying herself about being mad that he wasn’t there...WHEN SHE COULD SEE HE WAS THERE THE WHOLE TIME!! And she didn’t have to call him out on that out in public- they did share a dorm room that night. Plus, this is Mark’s first gf. They’re both in HS. They’ve been going out for 3 months. She is NOT entitled to his deepest darkest secrets just bc she wants them as some sort of prof of his undying love or some shit. She is totally in the wrong.
@@NinaPB since when not liking a character just because they’re a female is misogynist ? i dislike many male characters i just happen to dislike amber because the mentality she decided to take but maybe my opinion about her will change in the next season it has nothing to do with her gender it ain’t that deep i’m also not siding with mark he did the wrong thing too by wanting to be with her when he knew he couldn’t being in a relationship
All I have to do to understand Amber's point of view is imagine the conversation she had to have with her mother when Mark couldn't show up on time to have dinner like a normal person, but was more than happy to show up afterward at night. She probably needed to convince her mom that this guy wasn't just treating her like a friend with benefits. And even if she'd figured out that Mark was a superhero since then, it's not as if she could tell her mother that, because it's not her secret to tell. What does the "I'm a fourth wave feminist who reads Ta-Nehisi Coates, but also I'm fine with my boyfriend skipping out on dinner with my family and then showing up for the booty call" conversation look like, and why wouldn't it end with Amber feeling abandoned and foolish?
Personally, I'm frustrated by Amber's anger towards mark. The secret that "Mark is the hero Invincible", if it got out to the public, would permanently and irrevocably affect the quality-of-life and/or safety of himself and his family, and Amber act like she is entitled to know this information just because they dated for a few months. In my opinion it would not be worth the risk to give up such a sensitive secret for a relationship that most likely wouldn't have survived college (Acknowledging that they likely hadn't discussed intent to attend the same college until just before the cyborg attack, judging by Amber's apparent surprise when Mark brought up the idea). I think it would have made more sense if she wasn't aware of his secret until her revealed it, and she was angry, primarily, because she was acting impulsively, having just received shocking information that involved her Boyfriend lying to her, and having not had the time needed to think the subject through in that moment.
She had every right to be angry. Wether she knew or not, Mark had been putting her in danger simply by dating her in the first place. You really dont think the person you are dating deserve to know who you truly are and the danger of simply knowing you could be?
@@Morten_Storvik That's an argument which isn't supported by the events of the show. Amber is never put in any kind of danger that wouldn't have happened were Mark not Invinsible, nor does she express anger at being put in danger. "You lied to me. You made me feel stupid and unimportant. " She is exclusively upset that she wasn't "in on it". Also, people are allowed to have secrets in a relationship, especially when it's only a couple months old.
@@TheFamilyLedger Simply by dating her in the first place, he is putting her in harms way. If his secret identity is leaked to a villain, literally everyone he knows would be in danger, no matter who they are. The person dating deserve to be aware of what they get themselves into if they date a superhero. Hell, Mark would not even need to say that he is Invincible specifically, but that he is *A* superhero. Thus he would be honest and show trust to her. Amber would then know the truth without knowing the specifics and Mark`s secret identity would still be secret. Instead he had been stringing her along for 5 months, claiming he was serious about the relationship while constantly lying to her face. All that combined with the fact the he was endangering her *and* her family simply by dating her.....Of course she would feel unimportant. As both William and Atom Eve pointed out: Mark was a rubbish boyfriend to Amber and he got what he deserved.
@@Morten_Storvik Again, as far the show is concerned, the thought of her being endangered by him never crosses her mind. It is demonstrated that Amber's anger is "I am entitled to know your secret. You did not tell me the secret". That's it. If she were mad about being in danger, she would have mentioned it even once in the whole series. She's very direct about that kind of thing. Also, let's go back to "If his secret identity is leaked to a villain, literally everyone he knows would be in danger, no matter who they are." for a moment. Mark knows a lot of people (at school, work, or just in the neighbourhood), meaning that the responsible thing to do would be to keep the number of people who know the secret to a minimum. One thing that wouldn't serve this purpose is to just tell everyone your secret in the first few months of dating.
@@TheFamilyLedger Does not matter that she did not bring it up, it is still the fact of the matter. You cant cherry pick the facts. She is entitled to have her boyfriend be honest with her to begin with. And once again, he did not need to reveal that he was Invincible specifically,. Just that he was *A* superhero. Thus his secret identity would still be a secret and he would be honest and trusting to her. Problem solved. Heck, Nolan told Debbie he was Omni-Man on day one. And again, he kept stringing her along for 5 months and kept making promises he could not keep and kept on lying to her face. She was in the right, as the show points out twice in this episode alone.
Also, because Rudy/Robot isn't the original(who is now dead) he's not responsible for the crimes the original committed to accomplish this cloning job(breaking felons out of prison, stealing Rex's DNA, yadda, yadda...). So the original planned this all to keep Rudy 2.0 free and clear legally speaking as well.
@@Zartoo_3rd_Overlord_ofBlargon7 no i dont think so. he merely made a copy of his consciousness. at one point, it was him, and he should be held accountable. if i were to realize i was transgender, and wanted to undergo surgery and recieve hormones to be transexual and legally changed my name, would i still be held accountable for robbing a bank before i transitioned? If i was a Lich and used the Clone spell a month or two before an adventuring party slays me in my lair, allowing me to reform in my demiplane, would i still be accountable for sacrificing 66 people from 66 settlements from all over 6 continents to further my ascension into godhood? rudy as a human changes nothing, as hes not a new consciousness from scratch like a baby would be. it was his thoughts, his actions, in his old body. He should be responsible for his actions up until the moment of cloning.
@@whatiswhat8061 The transgender example doesn't even make sense. Apples and oranges. It's still you and your original body. You simply altered it after the bank robbery. You're still the same person in the same body. Rudy 1.0 and 2.0 were in 2 entirely different bodies. They even existed simultaneously for a few minutes. They are 2 separate beings. Rudy 1.0 committed the crimes. Rudy 2.0 didn't. He's a perfect copy(as far an mentally, that is) but make no mistake...he is just a copy. He didn't exist when 1.0 was committing his crimes. So how can he be responsible for them. 1.0 was the guilty one and he died for his crimes, if you wish to view it that way.
@@Zartoo_3rd_Overlord_ofBlargon7 that is a fair and valid point. I will admit the transsexual example doesnt fit. But of the second example? A perfect copy mentally. Should a Lich be free from consequences? He did not die for his crimes, he died for a new body. Dying is not a free pass. That's a loophole in the law thats easy to exploit with cloning, because its literally impossible to do in real life. But this isnt law right now, its identity metaphysics.
I don’t wanna be like those dweebs who say “sick reference” and the person be like “what the fuck are you babbling about” but I hope that “mother of invention” is an RvB ref.
“Make 100 more of these” No! Those are human people tortured to alter them for someone else’s use! Don’t make any more of them! Also- Amber sucks. They’ve been dating for 3 months and they’re just 17/18 years old...you do not have the right to someone’s life story and access to their deepest secret after 3 months. And then she exploded at him at the college saying “you weren’t here!” ..,when she knew he was? What, to trap him into lying by herself telling a lie? No. Bye girl.
If you listen carefully they were made from reanimated dead soldiers, they’re basically doomsday in human body, no mind or consciousness just programmed to attack
One thing about the whole Amber situation, I believe that it's not just about the lying, despite what she says. Like, if you're trying to have a relationship with someone and they barely ever show up or are ridiculously late, it's kind of hard to stay invested in that person. It's totally fair for her to need someone who can actually spend time with her. Sure, he's doing it for a good reason, but that doesn't change the fact that her needs for a relationship wouldn't be met. I feel like the constant lying was just the straw that broke the camels back. I feel like a lot of people are missing this. Sure, if that's an element of it she could be communicating that better, but she doesn't deserve hate for it.
Well that was one of the reasons "You made me feel unimportant". But the lie was still the main one. It seems to me that people do not quite understand what she meant by saying that. The problem isn't that he didn't tell her that he was a super hero. The problem is that he constantly promised her that their relationship would improve, and every time he did not succeed. When she asked him about it, he lied to her. Here is a conflict. Broken promises and lies.
@@syressx9098 Very true, at the same time though, Amber probably should've confronted him about it when she figured it out herself, as the reason the relationship drag on so long was because she kept going back to a guy who wasn't changing. If she had confronted Mark and they had a discussion about why the things Mark was doing hurt her instead of playing dumb and then giving him a hard time for different reasons, then things probably would have turned out better. And to be fair, after ep 8 we kind of get something like that which I think is dumb because at that point Mark should just go for Eve but I understand she is more of a long term relationship and they want to give more development to Mark as a character than just a single relationship through the whole series
Here's something to add to the Amber situation. Mark never entrusted her. Though there's been no clear indication she would flip on him; expose his life. Meanwhile once William figured it out he's been quite loose with the knowledge of Marks secret identity(thankfully not to those who didn'talready know). Then Mark precedes to fully trust Titan, even though their previous meeting was while he helped robbers. Imo, the significance of secret identity. Doesn't assuage the threat from villains in a heros personal life. As they never care if those you love, know or not.
Guys! You can't imagine how much it means to me that you're on the neutral side of the conflict: "Mark acted like an asshole, of course, but Amber could have handled the situation better." You have no idea how much hate is directed at her on the internet right now. Every action and thing she did is now being judged: Helping poor people? - Hypocrite. Protecting a classmate from a bully? - Manipulative. They twisted the situation so that, in their version, the only reason for her and Mark's relationship is that she felt jealous of Eve (Recall that she was impressed that he tried to protect her even without having the ability to do so, after which she asked his friend if Mark was free). Now about the conflict itself to add to your discussion at 33:00. I want to remind you that they have been dating for 5(!) months. During that time we were shown that Mark was constantly late or didn't show up for meetings at all. They put a lot of emphasis on that in episode 5. Two events - Meeting Amber's parents and helping the poor. The first is that he had already canceled a date before and Amber asked him to take it seriously. What did Mark do? He went to stop the asteroid. And you'd say, "well, that's a great reason," except his dad was there. He basically neglected his girlfriend for the sake of training. People weren't in danger. Amber wants to dump him, but Mark promises(!) he'll make it right. Amber demands to prove it to her. What does Mark do? He goes with Titan to deal with the local mob boss. Titan didn't rush anywhere and it's not like the boss was killing people in real time. He could have delayed that attack, and of course it wasn't his fault he got his ass kicked there, but then again he promised to make amends and he didn't keep his promise. When he gets out of the hospital, the first thing he promises Amber is that things will definitely get better from now on. I think by this point she knew he was a superhero, maybe she wasn't sure which one, but she knew. Look at the situation from her side - as soon as she found out his secret, she knew immediately what the problem with their relationship was. Mark's attempt to start over must have looked to her like an attempt to end the lie. But as soon as he got the chance, he disappeared again. They have a conflict and he starts lying again. That's the problem - "We're fighting because you lied to me." Let's imagine for a second that Mark confessed. Would that have solved all their problems? Yes! A hundred times yes! He stopped lying, now she knows why he doesn't show up and it takes away the "You made me feel stupid and unimportant" problem, and telling her would show he trusts her. A lot of people will say - "But after all, he did eventually confess." Too late for that, if you confessed not out of respect or trust, but the moment you get dumped then in your partner's eyes you only did it because of the threat of a breakup. So I totally understand Amber, but at the same time I don't blame Mark too much. Of course this is his first more or less serious relationship and he's trying to hold on to it, and he's only recently become a superhero and of course he makes a lot of mistakes. It just pisses me off that in the eyes of the internet, Amber has somehow become some kind of villain. When it only takes 5-10 minutes to understand what she was trying to convey and why she dumped Mark.
See I didnt have a problem with her until episode 6 when she apparently knew he was a hero. When the fighting first starts he goes to rush to fight without his costume and she yells at him to stop him, although it's to help get people to safety, then he later leaves to get his suit when his friend is being held and yadda yadda. If she knew he was a hero why stop him the first time? He was literally going to sacrifice his secret identity to protect people and she stopped him. The way the writers wrote their confrontation was horrible and made no sense in the show. Apparently they actually made them see each other's sides in the comics so I don't see why they didn't stick with that, since it makes the most sense logically. He's a superhero, everytime he's late its because he's doing something that is saving lives. She wants him to do normal couple things but he can't. He has to be ready to fight at the drop of a hat and be ready to save the world. That's why he was out catching the asteroid to train and get stronger. It's not like he just has a set strength and that's it. Omniman explained that when he was teaching him about flying.
@@chadwood4412 Being a superhero is no reason to be an idiot. Their confrontation made perfect sense as she is upset about him not being honest with her. Him dating her was literally putting her life at risk by default.
@@Morten_Storvik no being a teenager is his excuse for being an idiot. The confrontation makes no sense. If she knows he's a hero but stops him from saving his friend then shes a shitty person. The fact that her life is "in danger" which is arguable since no one went for her ever, wouldn't change even if he did tell her and she obviously didnt have a problem with it since she stayed with him till the fight. Like I said in the comics they saw each others point and agreed to break up, this was just sloppy and made a decent character be hated by most people
@@chadwood4412 That`s because most people are apparently idiots 🤷♂️ Heck, both William and Atom Eve pointed out how much of an asshole Mark was to Amber and still people think she was unreasonable. The confrontation makes perfect sense. Mark had been stringing her along for 5 months, claiming he was serious about the relationship while lying to her face. While also endangering her and her family by default. Which is *not* arguable just because nothing has happened. She had been giving him several chances to be honest with her, and yet he kept on lying even though he never even had to reveal he was Invincible specifically. So of course she would feel unimportant.
Lying to or keeping things from your lady, and then her finding out on her own whatever you wouldn’t tell her? She’s gonna be pissed as hell whatever it is, Especially if you wait until after she finds out whatever it is ON HER OWN before you had the balls to start that conversation yourself. Amber knew Mark was a lying ass about something, she gave him the chance to start over and he kept lying, then he abandoned her so he could go do the thing he wasn’t telling her about, and then he still didn’t tell her the truth when he was confronted. Only after she left him did he try to be truthful. Nah, fuck him. Amber respected herself enough not to be with a man who wasn’t truthful to her. Good for her.
Yeah too many people give a free pass to superheroes. And to anyone out there who will defend a superhero no matter what, does that mean that Endeavor from My Hero Academia is perfectly fine when he abused his kids and wife because he saved a bunch of lives? Like Mark doesn't get a free pass to be a shitty boyfriend when being a superhero wasn't the problem with their relationship. He could have fixed it at any point and never decided to actually trust his girlfriend.
@@project5877 he didn’t even need to tell her the full truth. “I’m a super hero.” “Really, which one?” “Sorry, I’m really not allowed to talk about it.” That would have been enough to explain his unplanned lateness and shit.
Good for them both. She legit could piece that Mark was a superhero but not recognize that the superhero who saved her and co is the same mofo floating in her room. She has every right to be miffed about being lied and dumping him but cmonnnnnnnnn.
And he could have also been mature enough to break up with her/let her go when he realized he would keep standing her up after promising to do better. But he didn't. Maybe he felt he couldn't tell her this big secret, and he's free to make that decision. But then he has to do the right thing and break up, not lie constantly to keep the relationship going on his terms.
@@matthewwang349 Mark followed Teen Team on Insta and was classmates with Eve for years and never figured it out until they were face to face. And Amber *had* already figured out he was a Super at that point, but he *still* didn’t tell her the truth. The correct thing for Mark to do would have been to come clean *before* the trip, since he was on his ‘second chance’ *already*.
It’s amazing how quickly men expect forgiveness for six months of lying after the woman doesn’t behave the way they wanted. He asked her to move away with him and STILL didn’t tell her the first chance he got after that. And she belongs to the streets? 🙄
I think that more people are realizing that the way Mark treated Amber was not great. It's possible that earlier a lot of the discourse was driven by people who had already read the comics. Now that the audience demographics have broadened a bit, there are more people mixed in that understand the position she was placed in, perhaps even from experience, when before there were fewer people who experienced that sort of treatment directly.
@@DigiCount I was seeing a lot of “why didn’t she say something to make him stop lying to her” instead of “why didn’t he just stop lying,” which was frustrating.
It's amazing how some people think the issue is that she didn't forgive him. The problem I've seen most people have with Amber knowing beforehand is that, based on how long she says that she knew, she would have known exactly who he was during the incident at the college. Meaning that she knew who he was when, rather than getting angry at him about being dishonest or lying, she berated him for being a coward and abandoning them when they were in danger and used that as her basis for saying that he didn't care about her in their argument. Mark thinking that telling her he's Invincible will fix the relationship makes sense when - according to what she *told him herself* in the previous episode - the thing that finally made her break up with him was him abandoning them during a crisis. It shifts Amber from "person who is trying to make things work, but eventually breaks down and gives up when nothing she does seems to change things" to "person who is intentionally refusing to address the problem, and even misleading the other person about what the problem is, because she wants to test how much that person cares." The former is sympathetic. The latter is toxic as hell. I haven't seen anyone in other reaction videos, whether the reactors or the comments, claim that Mark wasn't a shit boyfriend. I've seen some debate over whether or not their relationship progressed far enough that he should have revealed it, but never that how he went about everything wasn't a 100% dick move. Everyone I've seen seems to recognize that. What seems to annoy people about Amber is that instead of just having her find out who he is when he reveals it but still be justifiably pissed about the deception, they pull a complete 180 on her character and make her out to be just as shitty as he was, if not more so. Because Mark, while being an ass and an idiot about it, at least had reasons that make sense. He wasn't just intentionally withholding the truth in an attempt to "test" whether she really cared about him or not. Amber's behavior in the previous episode, with the revelation that she already knew his identity, does exactly that. And it doesn't make sense. And when I say it doesn't make sense, I mean that her actions genuinely makes no sense based on the characterization that she received throughout the entire series leading up to that point. She has consistently been depicted as empathetic, clever, and - perhaps most importantly here - the type of person who will confront a problem head-on and pursue what she wants. It is *drastically* inconsistent with this episode's character turn that depicts her as the kind of person who would intentionally refuse to address a problem she had with someone in order to test their loyalty, continue doing so even after she already considered their relationship over, and do so while berating them (and ultimately breaking up with them) over something completely different than the actual problem she has. It's genuinely like the Amber from this episode and the one from the previous episodes are two distinctly different characters.
@@VenathTehN3RD I’m more than capable of assessing what people think the issue is from the reactions I’ve seen. And I’m not just talking YT videos. I’m a podcaster who covered this show extensively and I run an entertainment site that reviews pop culture. The discourse and memes have also been about her not forgiving him; that is what I’m referring to. I know how to express my thoughts. Thanks. I’m also responding to what two of the men on the couch in this video actually said.
If you lie to your girl and she gives you a second chance to start over and you go back to the same lying bs you’re gonna get dumped. That’s just life. Telling the truth after you get caught isn’t being truthful.
@@availaboi6143 So why couldn't he be honest with her? She isn't a villain clearly and she would be more aware of the danger. Mark even planned for them to go to college together. He was legit just being an asshole and not trusting her enough to tell her the truth. Her problem was never him being a superhero and saving lives, it was him not actually putting trust or faith in her or their relationship.
Mark should have told her his secret identity long before so that some villain or other kidnaps and kills her and gets her out of his life forever. These are teenage kids, imagine being a superhero and telling every one of your girlfriend's throughout high school about your secret identity. Imagine how many people would eventually know. You think teenage girls can keep a secret? Especially one like oh by the way my boyfriend is a superhero? William can't even keep the God damn Secret.
Nah. It was a secret identity. Her response was pure, uncut narcissism. "You lied to me" "You don't trust me." A better person would have understood until the relationship deepened with time. Like, a better person would have stopped Mark in a lie and explained that she knew he was a hero, but that she will not pry until he's ready. You know...like Lucius Fox handled Batman's secret and explained to Bruce not to treat him like an idiot while keeping his identity to himself in "Batman Begins". Oh well.
@@jbrewerman2 Which he should tell her as he is literally putting her in danger by dating her to begin with. She was his girlfriend and she of all people have the right to know.
I've only read the comic book up to the point where the first season ends, but Amber from the comic book has NO personality at all. Amber in the show isn't just twice as good as her original, she's a hundred times better, because the original was nothing at all.
@@acenull0 Nobody "threw her under the bus." Mark himself realizes that he was a terrible boyfriend, His best friend is on Amber's side, Eve is on Amber's side. The writers and characters of the show are well aware of the conflict. The only problem is the internet itself, but it's not something that writers could predict or control. So there is no such problem here. Amber was not a problem in their relationship - Mark was.
@@syressx9098 i agree. She's competent and has valid points. My point is the writing was so horrible. If it was actually better this type of reaction from the internet wouldn't have even happened. They would get her perspective. But it's handled horribly
@@acenull0 I think the point of her character and relationship with Mark this season was the whole first relationship/immature highschooler sort of trope where if Mark was really serious about the relationship he should've been more honest with her a lot sooner, but on the other hand if Amber had known for that long and knew that he saved her and all the people at the college and was helping people everytime he was late, she shouldn't have given Mark a hard time so much and should've confronted him about it and discussed it like a mature individual.
I always laugh knowing how much it costs Cecil to teleport. Him teleporting that gigantic kaiju must have launched the US into a recession.
Isn't it like 4 million per trip?
What’s a few more billions for the national debt 😂😂
lol I’m thinking about how they probably used the Omni-Man damage to cover it up 😂 over 80 million dollars this season is crazy
I like to think that while Immortal was flying to find Omni-Man he was just screaming his name like that the whole time until he found him.
"OMNI-MANNN! YOU BASTARDDD! RRAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!"
Like the tfs joke with vegeta screaming 😂😂
So the Immortal didn’t kill Abraham Lincoln, he was Abraham Lincoln
I've read somewhere that in this timeline, Abraham Lincoln died during the civil war, and the Immortal took his place for a couple of years until the assassination
@@dsargus3 There's an Easter egg in episode 3 implying this also. The Mt. Rushmore scene. Ever notice which President got his head blown off and then replaced?
@@Free_3.0 HOLY SH!T
YOU'RE RIGHT?!?!?
“Where’s Mark, William?” That delivery from JK Simmons is so calmly terrifying
and the little detail where he closed his eyes when saying "you were supposed to drop him off an hour ago" is just so satisfying!!
@@eatandrun8020 watch a movie called wiplash the entire movie jk simmons is like this scene
The majority of this episode kept those who read the comic book at the edge of our seat. The whole Cecil trying to slow down and stop Omni-man doesn't happen in the comic. Just great tension.
Looking forward to seeing your reaction to the finale.
The Kaiju and the SOL orbital canon were amazing additions to the arsenal of humanity/sequence
I haven't read the comics but that's a great addition - Cecil confronting Omniman made me really like his character
yeah especially since in the comics cecil didn't even have the ability to transport until a little later on, they definitely reordered quite a few events
I loved they included that Immortal was Abraham Lincoln
I hope they include the part he says he forgave the killer, and felt sorry he was convicted for a crime he technically didn't commit
@@LordSkullkid just because your victim didn't die doesn't mean you will not get jailed for it
I know y’all didn’t just say “takin’ it like a champ” while Steven Yeun is right there 😟😔
Nice
I haven't seen TWD and I still know what's up 🤣
Lucille is thirsty! She is, a vampire bat!
LOL the mother's argument was TOOOOTALLLY different. 20 years of marriage vs a 5 month high school relationship... Amber is a narcissist.
Omni-Man told Debbie their first day. Amber had the right to know as it would put her life in danger regardless.
@@Morten_Storvik didn't they meet when omni man saved her it was obvious
@@Morten_Storvik 1 year later but hell nah. They're in high school. Those relationships do not last. She cannot be trusted with his secret Identity, no high school bf/gf should.
The invincible fandom's collective "Bruh" during that amber scene is so hilarious
For a split moment there, we all are feared of William's life XD
“He still loves his wife” hahaha wait for this monologue in episode 8
If only Cecil knew about Battle Beast
Yeah that flash scene of immortal basically showing him being around since near the beginning of time and flashing the different people he became throughout history, crazy.
Immortal didn't kill Lincoln he was Lincoln.
That body transfer scene is something straight out of the game SOMA, love it.
Holy shit ever since you guys reacted to 1st episode, this is what I've been waiting for the most. Lets goooooooo
Not the 8th? 😶
Yo that stache is on point lol loving the reactions, boys
Soma is a video game that is all about the existential problem of cloning yourself into another body, in case you guys haven't heard of it. This is what that scene in this episode reminded me of.
The mauler twins can get along, but if one knows he's the original he becomes "hard to work with"
Soma is a game, the premise is your mind has been copy and pasted into a new form. Not cut and paste, copy and paste. Similar to that happened to Rudy and the Twins
Why does every reaction to this never ever see that Immortal was Abraham Lincoln. One guy even said he looked like him and didn’t catch on 😂😂
Wow. That Orbital Satelite Hammer Thingy... and my Bday is right around the corner XD
Apparently, the kaiju is called Hail Mary because you release it and pray.
I do love how people are trying to normalize Amber's reaction by equating it to the real world. Invincible is a superhero. Nothing in our world compares, except maybe an undercover agent? (And I think she completely overreacted and was a jerk).
She had every right to react the way she did. Mark was not honest with her about something that could endanger her life regardless whether she knew or not.
Her reaction was understandable tho… he should’ve just told her. They had been together for months and were serious about each other. It’s more dangerous for her not to know than knowing.
@@iris-xo Six months with a high school girlfriend is the worst reason I can think of to share a secret identity. Between shapeshifting aliens and secret supervillains, literally anyone who isn’t family or a long time friend shouldn’t know.
@@Morten_Storvikhe wasn’t honest to her because it literally puts her life in danger and they haven’t even known each other that long, also it isn’t up to her what he does and doesn’t tell her
@@nicodeathstroke1378I agree, I wouldn’t have told her
If this is how they’re reacting to the violence in this episode... imma just leave it there for anyone who seen the finale
This episode’s title should have been “Well that escalated quickly!”
Darkwing: -looks like Batman-
Cecil: -is Batman with a little Nick Fury thrown in-
Robot didn't double cross them. He gave them what was promised, then tried to lock them up
The last 2 episodes are insane!!!!
i disagree with amber she was mad about the lying but proceeded to lie herself about knowing of marks identity and instead chose to give him a hard time last episode for running away even though she knew he is the one that saved them i get that she’s a teenager but if she’s supposed to be mature and smart she certainly didn’t act that way this last two episodes
It wasn't her SECRET! If you've found out your partner's secret, it's logical to wait until your partner feels comfortable enough to tell you himself. Let's say - Superboy and Miss Martian in Young justice.
Exactly! If she figured it out, and was *really* mad about the lying...it’s even worse that she reacted by lying herself about being mad that he wasn’t there...WHEN SHE COULD SEE HE WAS THERE THE WHOLE TIME!! And she didn’t have to call him out on that out in public- they did share a dorm room that night.
Plus, this is Mark’s first gf. They’re both in HS. They’ve been going out for 3 months. She is NOT entitled to his deepest darkest secrets just bc she wants them as some sort of prof of his undying love or some shit. She is totally in the wrong.
Examine your misogynoir.
@@NinaPB since when not liking a character just because they’re a female is misogynist ? i dislike many male characters i just happen to dislike amber because the mentality she decided to take but maybe my opinion about her will change in the next season it has nothing to do with her gender it ain’t that deep i’m also not siding with mark he did the wrong thing too by wanting to be with her when he knew he couldn’t being in a relationship
All I have to do to understand Amber's point of view is imagine the conversation she had to have with her mother when Mark couldn't show up on time to have dinner like a normal person, but was more than happy to show up afterward at night. She probably needed to convince her mom that this guy wasn't just treating her like a friend with benefits. And even if she'd figured out that Mark was a superhero since then, it's not as if she could tell her mother that, because it's not her secret to tell. What does the "I'm a fourth wave feminist who reads Ta-Nehisi Coates, but also I'm fine with my boyfriend skipping out on dinner with my family and then showing up for the booty call" conversation look like, and why wouldn't it end with Amber feeling abandoned and foolish?
I enjoyed your Amber talk cause I stayed neutral in that relationship breakdown.
I mean Amber is for the streets
She really is! If the frat guy didn’t mention his gf she would of for sure tried to get with him.
Great reaction, can't wait for the finale!
Cecil should get Battle Beast number from MachineHead and we could hire him anytime a Viltrumite shows up! Earth is saved.
Man, the people watching the news on their phones in that train..ah
YO That Jon Tron reference killed me XD LMFAO
I've watched a lot of reactions to this show and you guys definitely had the most fun!
Happy pride month
I am so excited for you guys to see the finale! you guys are gonna lose your mind
To be honest, I like the mustache guy’s reaction
He could be the funniest guy among you
His reaction from episode 1
8:32 bro thought he was gonna get hit with a jump scare lol
I missed you guys 🙆♀️💃💃
Loving that hat, Adam! Also no need to bother with names imho since characters die left, right and center anyway. 23:06 well, he kinda is, isn't he?
Immortal will be the only true surviver 😂
Yeah. In the comics Immortal survives the series and peacefully rules Earth.
immortal hd reference? nice
That wasn't Gwen Stefani it was K Flay "I Like Myself."
Personally, I'm frustrated by Amber's anger towards mark. The secret that "Mark is the hero Invincible", if it got out to the public, would permanently and irrevocably affect the quality-of-life and/or safety of himself and his family, and Amber act like she is entitled to know this information just because they dated for a few months. In my opinion it would not be worth the risk to give up such a sensitive secret for a relationship that most likely wouldn't have survived college (Acknowledging that they likely hadn't discussed intent to attend the same college until just before the cyborg attack, judging by Amber's apparent surprise when Mark brought up the idea).
I think it would have made more sense if she wasn't aware of his secret until her revealed it, and she was angry, primarily, because she was acting impulsively, having just received shocking information that involved her Boyfriend lying to her, and having not had the time needed to think the subject through in that moment.
She had every right to be angry. Wether she knew or not, Mark had been putting her in danger simply by dating her in the first place. You really dont think the person you are dating deserve to know who you truly are and the danger of simply knowing you could be?
@@Morten_Storvik That's an argument which isn't supported by the events of the show. Amber is never put in any kind of danger that wouldn't have happened were Mark not Invinsible, nor does she express anger at being put in danger. "You lied to me. You made me feel stupid and unimportant. " She is exclusively upset that she wasn't "in on it".
Also, people are allowed to have secrets in a relationship, especially when it's only a couple months old.
@@TheFamilyLedger Simply by dating her in the first place, he is putting her in harms way. If his secret identity is leaked to a villain, literally everyone he knows would be in danger, no matter who they are. The person dating deserve to be aware of what they get themselves into if they date a superhero. Hell, Mark would not even need to say that he is Invincible specifically, but that he is *A* superhero. Thus he would be honest and show trust to her. Amber would then know the truth without knowing the specifics and Mark`s secret identity would still be secret. Instead he had been stringing her along for 5 months, claiming he was serious about the relationship while constantly lying to her face. All that combined with the fact the he was endangering her *and* her family simply by dating her.....Of course she would feel unimportant. As both William and Atom Eve pointed out: Mark was a rubbish boyfriend to Amber and he got what he deserved.
@@Morten_Storvik Again, as far the show is concerned, the thought of her being endangered by him never crosses her mind. It is demonstrated that Amber's anger is "I am entitled to know your secret. You did not tell me the secret". That's it. If she were mad about being in danger, she would have mentioned it even once in the whole series. She's very direct about that kind of thing.
Also, let's go back to "If his secret identity is leaked to a villain, literally everyone he knows would be in danger, no matter who they are." for a moment. Mark knows a lot of people (at school, work, or just in the neighbourhood), meaning that the responsible thing to do would be to keep the number of people who know the secret to a minimum. One thing that wouldn't serve this purpose is to just tell everyone your secret in the first few months of dating.
@@TheFamilyLedger Does not matter that she did not bring it up, it is still the fact of the matter. You cant cherry pick the facts. She is entitled to have her boyfriend be honest with her to begin with. And once again, he did not need to reveal that he was Invincible specifically,. Just that he was *A* superhero. Thus his secret identity would still be a secret and he would be honest and trusting to her. Problem solved. Heck, Nolan told Debbie he was Omni-Man on day one. And again, he kept stringing her along for 5 months and kept making promises he could not keep and kept on lying to her face. She was in the right, as the show points out twice in this episode alone.
Also, because Rudy/Robot isn't the original(who is now dead) he's not responsible for the crimes the original committed to accomplish this cloning job(breaking felons out of prison, stealing Rex's DNA, yadda, yadda...). So the original planned this all to keep Rudy 2.0 free and clear legally speaking as well.
ship of theseus tho
That works for inanimate objects, not so much for people.
@@Zartoo_3rd_Overlord_ofBlargon7 no i dont think so.
he merely made a copy of his consciousness. at one point, it was him, and he should be held accountable.
if i were to realize i was transgender, and wanted to undergo surgery and recieve hormones to be transexual and legally changed my name, would i still be held accountable for robbing a bank before i transitioned?
If i was a Lich and used the Clone spell a month or two before an adventuring party slays me in my lair, allowing me to reform in my demiplane, would i still be accountable for sacrificing 66 people from 66 settlements from all over 6 continents to further my ascension into godhood?
rudy as a human changes nothing, as hes not a new consciousness from scratch like a baby would be. it was his thoughts, his actions, in his old body. He should be responsible for his actions up until the moment of cloning.
@@whatiswhat8061 The transgender example doesn't even make sense. Apples and oranges. It's still you and your original body. You simply altered it after the bank robbery. You're still the same person in the same body. Rudy 1.0 and 2.0 were in 2 entirely different bodies. They even existed simultaneously for a few minutes. They are 2 separate beings. Rudy 1.0 committed the crimes. Rudy 2.0 didn't. He's a perfect copy(as far an mentally, that is) but make no mistake...he is just a copy. He didn't exist when 1.0 was committing his crimes. So how can he be responsible for them. 1.0 was the guilty one and he died for his crimes, if you wish to view it that way.
@@Zartoo_3rd_Overlord_ofBlargon7 that is a fair and valid point. I will admit the transsexual example doesnt fit.
But of the second example? A perfect copy mentally. Should a Lich be free from consequences?
He did not die for his crimes, he died for a new body. Dying is not a free pass.
That's a loophole in the law thats easy to exploit with cloning, because its literally impossible to do in real life.
But this isnt law right now, its identity metaphysics.
I don’t wanna be like those dweebs who say “sick reference” and the person be like “what the fuck are you babbling about” but I hope that “mother of invention” is an RvB ref.
Of course it is!
@@WorkingTitleReacts hell yeah!
"Baby boo" Lol.
“Make 100 more of these”
No! Those are human people tortured to alter them for someone else’s use! Don’t make any more of them!
Also- Amber sucks. They’ve been dating for 3 months and they’re just 17/18 years old...you do not have the right to someone’s life story and access to their deepest secret after 3 months. And then she exploded at him at the college saying “you weren’t here!” ..,when she knew he was? What, to trap him into lying by herself telling a lie? No. Bye girl.
If you listen carefully they were made from reanimated dead soldiers, they’re basically doomsday in human body, no mind or consciousness just programmed to attack
i def want you guys too watch castlevania !!!
I saw this went to look at the playlist and it wasn’t there 😂 then got notifications is up and I thought I was going crazy. Woman war lmao Aquarius
Sasageyo indeed.
Gotta admit. I like Immortal.
GO RAVENS!
16:00. That scene reminds me more of AKIRA!
u guys from baltimore? seen the ravens swag in a few vids now
RIP BOBBY HILL
One thing about the whole Amber situation, I believe that it's not just about the lying, despite what she says. Like, if you're trying to have a relationship with someone and they barely ever show up or are ridiculously late, it's kind of hard to stay invested in that person. It's totally fair for her to need someone who can actually spend time with her. Sure, he's doing it for a good reason, but that doesn't change the fact that her needs for a relationship wouldn't be met. I feel like the constant lying was just the straw that broke the camels back.
I feel like a lot of people are missing this. Sure, if that's an element of it she could be communicating that better, but she doesn't deserve hate for it.
Well that was one of the reasons "You made me feel unimportant".
But the lie was still the main one.
It seems to me that people do not quite understand what she meant by saying that. The problem isn't that he didn't tell her that he was a super hero. The problem is that he constantly promised her that their relationship would improve, and every time he did not succeed. When she asked him about it, he lied to her. Here is a conflict. Broken promises and lies.
@@syressx9098 Very true, at the same time though, Amber probably should've confronted him about it when she figured it out herself, as the reason the relationship drag on so long was because she kept going back to a guy who wasn't changing. If she had confronted Mark and they had a discussion about why the things Mark was doing hurt her instead of playing dumb and then giving him a hard time for different reasons, then things probably would have turned out better. And to be fair, after ep 8 we kind of get something like that which I think is dumb because at that point Mark should just go for Eve but I understand she is more of a long term relationship and they want to give more development to Mark as a character than just a single relationship through the whole series
@@syressx9098 Really good point.
Next!!!!!😆😆😆😆
Its summer, where are the speedos?
Here's something to add to the Amber situation. Mark never entrusted her. Though there's been no clear indication she would flip on him; expose his life. Meanwhile once William figured it out he's been quite loose with the knowledge of Marks secret identity(thankfully not to those who didn'talready know). Then Mark precedes to fully trust Titan, even though their previous meeting was while he helped robbers. Imo, the significance of secret identity. Doesn't assuage the threat from villains in a heros personal life. As they never care if those you love, know or not.
LUL ImmortalHD
Great reaction! Strap in boys...the finale is nucking futs!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nice
the one problem i have is that wqhen you fade out the video i end up looking at someone's crotch.... lol
Guys! You can't imagine how much it means to me that you're on the neutral side of the conflict: "Mark acted like an asshole, of course, but Amber could have handled the situation better."
You have no idea how much hate is directed at her on the internet right now. Every action and thing she did is now being judged:
Helping poor people? - Hypocrite. Protecting a classmate from a bully? - Manipulative. They twisted the situation so that, in their version, the only reason for her and Mark's relationship is that she felt jealous of Eve (Recall that she was impressed that he tried to protect her even without having the ability to do so, after which she asked his friend if Mark was free).
Now about the conflict itself to add to your discussion at 33:00.
I want to remind you that they have been dating for 5(!) months. During that time we were shown that Mark was constantly late or didn't show up for meetings at all. They put a lot of emphasis on that in episode 5.
Two events - Meeting Amber's parents and helping the poor.
The first is that he had already canceled a date before and Amber asked him to take it seriously. What did Mark do? He went to stop the asteroid. And you'd say, "well, that's a great reason," except his dad was there. He basically neglected his girlfriend for the sake of training. People weren't in danger.
Amber wants to dump him, but Mark promises(!) he'll make it right. Amber demands to prove it to her.
What does Mark do? He goes with Titan to deal with the local mob boss. Titan didn't rush anywhere and it's not like the boss was killing people in real time. He could have delayed that attack, and of course it wasn't his fault he got his ass kicked there, but then again he promised to make amends and he didn't keep his promise.
When he gets out of the hospital, the first thing he promises Amber is that things will definitely get better from now on. I think by this point she knew he was a superhero, maybe she wasn't sure which one, but she knew. Look at the situation from her side - as soon as she found out his secret, she knew immediately what the problem with their relationship was. Mark's attempt to start over must have looked to her like an attempt to end the lie. But as soon as he got the chance, he disappeared again.
They have a conflict and he starts lying again. That's the problem - "We're fighting because you lied to me."
Let's imagine for a second that Mark confessed. Would that have solved all their problems? Yes! A hundred times yes! He stopped lying, now she knows why he doesn't show up and it takes away the "You made me feel stupid and unimportant" problem, and telling her would show he trusts her.
A lot of people will say - "But after all, he did eventually confess." Too late for that, if you confessed not out of respect or trust, but the moment you get dumped then in your partner's eyes you only did it because of the threat of a breakup.
So I totally understand Amber, but at the same time I don't blame Mark too much. Of course this is his first more or less serious relationship and he's trying to hold on to it, and he's only recently become a superhero and of course he makes a lot of mistakes.
It just pisses me off that in the eyes of the internet, Amber has somehow become some kind of villain. When it only takes 5-10 minutes to understand what she was trying to convey and why she dumped Mark.
She is an ungrateful bitch for not accepting someone who will always be better than her in everyway as he is part viltrumite.
See I didnt have a problem with her until episode 6 when she apparently knew he was a hero.
When the fighting first starts he goes to rush to fight without his costume and she yells at him to stop him, although it's to help get people to safety, then he later leaves to get his suit when his friend is being held and yadda yadda.
If she knew he was a hero why stop him the first time? He was literally going to sacrifice his secret identity to protect people and she stopped him. The way the writers wrote their confrontation was horrible and made no sense in the show.
Apparently they actually made them see each other's sides in the comics so I don't see why they didn't stick with that, since it makes the most sense logically. He's a superhero, everytime he's late its because he's doing something that is saving lives. She wants him to do normal couple things but he can't. He has to be ready to fight at the drop of a hat and be ready to save the world.
That's why he was out catching the asteroid to train and get stronger. It's not like he just has a set strength and that's it. Omniman explained that when he was teaching him about flying.
@@chadwood4412 Being a superhero is no reason to be an idiot. Their confrontation made perfect sense as she is upset about him not being honest with her. Him dating her was literally putting her life at risk by default.
@@Morten_Storvik no being a teenager is his excuse for being an idiot. The confrontation makes no sense. If she knows he's a hero but stops him from saving his friend then shes a shitty person. The fact that her life is "in danger" which is arguable since no one went for her ever, wouldn't change even if he did tell her and she obviously didnt have a problem with it since she stayed with him till the fight.
Like I said in the comics they saw each others point and agreed to break up, this was just sloppy and made a decent character be hated by most people
@@chadwood4412 That`s because most people are apparently idiots 🤷♂️ Heck, both William and Atom Eve pointed out how much of an asshole Mark was to Amber and still people think she was unreasonable. The confrontation makes perfect sense. Mark had been stringing her along for 5 months, claiming he was serious about the relationship while lying to her face. While also endangering her and her family by default. Which is *not* arguable just because nothing has happened. She had been giving him several chances to be honest with her, and yet he kept on lying even though he never even had to reveal he was Invincible specifically. So of course she would feel unimportant.
Lying to or keeping things from your lady, and then her finding out on her own whatever you wouldn’t tell her? She’s gonna be pissed as hell whatever it is, Especially if you wait until after she finds out whatever it is ON HER OWN before you had the balls to start that conversation yourself.
Amber knew Mark was a lying ass about something, she gave him the chance to start over and he kept lying, then he abandoned her so he could go do the thing he wasn’t telling her about, and then he still didn’t tell her the truth when he was confronted. Only after she left him did he try to be truthful. Nah, fuck him. Amber respected herself enough not to be with a man who wasn’t truthful to her. Good for her.
Yeah too many people give a free pass to superheroes. And to anyone out there who will defend a superhero no matter what, does that mean that Endeavor from My Hero Academia is perfectly fine when he abused his kids and wife because he saved a bunch of lives? Like Mark doesn't get a free pass to be a shitty boyfriend when being a superhero wasn't the problem with their relationship. He could have fixed it at any point and never decided to actually trust his girlfriend.
@@project5877 he didn’t even need to tell her the full truth. “I’m a super hero.” “Really, which one?” “Sorry, I’m really not allowed to talk about it.” That would have been enough to explain his unplanned lateness and shit.
Good for them both. She legit could piece that Mark was a superhero but not recognize that the superhero who saved her and co is the same mofo floating in her room. She has every right to be miffed about being lied and dumping him but cmonnnnnnnnn.
And he could have also been mature enough to break up with her/let her go when he realized he would keep standing her up after promising to do better. But he didn't. Maybe he felt he couldn't tell her this big secret, and he's free to make that decision. But then he has to do the right thing and break up, not lie constantly to keep the relationship going on his terms.
@@matthewwang349 Mark followed Teen Team on Insta and was classmates with Eve for years and never figured it out until they were face to face. And Amber *had* already figured out he was a Super at that point, but he *still* didn’t tell her the truth. The correct thing for Mark to do would have been to come clean *before* the trip, since he was on his ‘second chance’ *already*.
It’s amazing how quickly men expect forgiveness for six months of lying after the woman doesn’t behave the way they wanted. He asked her to move away with him and STILL didn’t tell her the first chance he got after that. And she belongs to the streets? 🙄
I think that more people are realizing that the way Mark treated Amber was not great. It's possible that earlier a lot of the discourse was driven by people who had already read the comics. Now that the audience demographics have broadened a bit, there are more people mixed in that understand the position she was placed in, perhaps even from experience, when before there were fewer people who experienced that sort of treatment directly.
@@DigiCount I was seeing a lot of “why didn’t she say something to make him stop lying to her” instead of “why didn’t he just stop lying,” which was frustrating.
It's amazing how some people think the issue is that she didn't forgive him. The problem I've seen most people have with Amber knowing beforehand is that, based on how long she says that she knew, she would have known exactly who he was during the incident at the college. Meaning that she knew who he was when, rather than getting angry at him about being dishonest or lying, she berated him for being a coward and abandoning them when they were in danger and used that as her basis for saying that he didn't care about her in their argument. Mark thinking that telling her he's Invincible will fix the relationship makes sense when - according to what she *told him herself* in the previous episode - the thing that finally made her break up with him was him abandoning them during a crisis. It shifts Amber from "person who is trying to make things work, but eventually breaks down and gives up when nothing she does seems to change things" to "person who is intentionally refusing to address the problem, and even misleading the other person about what the problem is, because she wants to test how much that person cares." The former is sympathetic. The latter is toxic as hell.
I haven't seen anyone in other reaction videos, whether the reactors or the comments, claim that Mark wasn't a shit boyfriend. I've seen some debate over whether or not their relationship progressed far enough that he should have revealed it, but never that how he went about everything wasn't a 100% dick move. Everyone I've seen seems to recognize that. What seems to annoy people about Amber is that instead of just having her find out who he is when he reveals it but still be justifiably pissed about the deception, they pull a complete 180 on her character and make her out to be just as shitty as he was, if not more so. Because Mark, while being an ass and an idiot about it, at least had reasons that make sense. He wasn't just intentionally withholding the truth in an attempt to "test" whether she really cared about him or not. Amber's behavior in the previous episode, with the revelation that she already knew his identity, does exactly that. And it doesn't make sense.
And when I say it doesn't make sense, I mean that her actions genuinely makes no sense based on the characterization that she received throughout the entire series leading up to that point. She has consistently been depicted as empathetic, clever, and - perhaps most importantly here - the type of person who will confront a problem head-on and pursue what she wants. It is *drastically* inconsistent with this episode's character turn that depicts her as the kind of person who would intentionally refuse to address a problem she had with someone in order to test their loyalty, continue doing so even after she already considered their relationship over, and do so while berating them (and ultimately breaking up with them) over something completely different than the actual problem she has. It's genuinely like the Amber from this episode and the one from the previous episodes are two distinctly different characters.
@@VenathTehN3RD I’m more than capable of assessing what people think the issue is from the reactions I’ve seen. And I’m not just talking YT videos. I’m a podcaster who covered this show extensively and I run an entertainment site that reviews pop culture. The discourse and memes have also been about her not forgiving him; that is what I’m referring to. I know how to express my thoughts. Thanks. I’m also responding to what two of the men on the couch in this video actually said.
@@NinaPB It was literally a joke when he said she's for the streets
Ambers the best character
Edit: Calm down
If you lie to your girl and she gives you a second chance to start over and you go back to the same lying bs you’re gonna get dumped. That’s just life. Telling the truth after you get caught isn’t being truthful.
@@JoeFF85 idk dude saving lives kinda seems more important than an angry girlfriend.
@@availaboi6143 So why couldn't he be honest with her? She isn't a villain clearly and she would be more aware of the danger. Mark even planned for them to go to college together. He was legit just being an asshole and not trusting her enough to tell her the truth. Her problem was never him being a superhero and saving lives, it was him not actually putting trust or faith in her or their relationship.
@@project5877 like a secret identity?
Mark should have told her his secret identity long before so that some villain or other kidnaps and kills her and gets her out of his life forever. These are teenage kids, imagine being a superhero and telling every one of your girlfriend's throughout high school about your secret identity. Imagine how many people would eventually know. You think teenage girls can keep a secret? Especially one like oh by the way my boyfriend is a superhero? William can't even keep the God damn Secret.
Naw fam, I think Amber's right. She's asking our boy to stop being an emotional child and sort his shit out. I can respect that.
Nah. It was a secret identity. Her response was pure, uncut narcissism. "You lied to me" "You don't trust me." A better person would have understood until the relationship deepened with time. Like, a better person would have stopped Mark in a lie and explained that she knew he was a hero, but that she will not pry until he's ready. You know...like Lucius Fox handled Batman's secret and explained to Bruce not to treat him like an idiot while keeping his identity to himself in "Batman Begins". Oh well.
Nah, he's not roleplaying as a superhero. He's literally a superhero.
@@jbrewerman2 Which he should tell her as he is literally putting her in danger by dating her to begin with. She was his girlfriend and she of all people have the right to know.
I think they really just made Amber worse for no reason. They might as well not race bent her if they were gonna write her so horribly
I've only read the comic book up to the point where the first season ends, but Amber from the comic book has NO personality at all. Amber in the show isn't just twice as good as her original, she's a hundred times better, because the original was nothing at all.
@@syressx9098 I would have preferred nothing at all than throwing a black girl under the bus with the writing
@@acenull0 Nobody "threw her under the bus." Mark himself realizes that he was a terrible boyfriend, His best friend is on Amber's side, Eve is on Amber's side. The writers and characters of the show are well aware of the conflict.
The only problem is the internet itself, but it's not something that writers could predict or control. So there is no such problem here. Amber was not a problem in their relationship - Mark was.
@@syressx9098 i agree. She's competent and has valid points. My point is the writing was so horrible. If it was actually better this type of reaction from the internet wouldn't have even happened. They would get her perspective. But it's handled horribly
@@acenull0 I think the point of her character and relationship with Mark this season was the whole first relationship/immature highschooler sort of trope where if Mark was really serious about the relationship he should've been more honest with her a lot sooner, but on the other hand if Amber had known for that long and knew that he saved her and all the people at the college and was helping people everytime he was late, she shouldn't have given Mark a hard time so much and should've confronted him about it and discussed it like a mature individual.