I sadly think it's overlooked so much now because it's a spec Oreca 07 class essentially. If they would have BOP'd the class batter then maybe it might warrant more attention. I'm sure Dallara, Ligier, & Riley would have liked that.
@@r35killa The problem is that the Oreca isn't necessarily faster than the other options. It's just SO much easier to set it up right for every available track that it's not worth putting in the extra effort into the other 3 to keep them at the same pace as the Orecas weekend after weekend.
@@r35killaWell you are in luck next year LMP2 is moving to a new generation of LMP2s, still a 1 engine class but will have chassis' the 4 LMDh chassis.
@maxb4085 I'm honestly ok with the one engine formula. It's kinda been that way for a decade now with Nissan being the previous dominate supplier. Same with LMP3 and the VK V8 (I heard that's going to a Toyota boosted unit though)
Tbf that was because the LMP2 car it overtook had a Bronze driver in and the G56 either had Mike Rockenfeller (the Le Mans distance record holder) or Jenson Button (F1 champion) in compared to the Bronze driver who is someone who is not a professional driver. Also during the race the Corvette GTE had a faster lap than the G56, the G56 however was faster in qualifying.
The LMP2 was driven by a Bronze driver who for all intents & purposes will not have the same level of confidence driving at night compared to gold let alone a platinum driver with lots of experience. At the end of the day, it mostly comes down to the person behind the wheel
@@THEWINDTUNNEL That'll be a destruction, G56 is too heavy to be competitive against a Group C in anything with lots of corners, and the green hell has loads of them.
F1 Frontrunner, or any F1 car? IIRC from a look into historical qualifying times I did a while back, late 70s USAC frontrunners could lap faster than some F1 backmarkers of the same era. Al Unser's pole lap for the 1977 Molson Diamond Indy would have qualified him 21st on the grid for that year's Canadian Grand Prix, ahead of 7 F1 cars. In terms of competing with F1's frontrunners, the late 80s could be close. Michael Andretti's pole time for the 1989 Valvoline Detroit Grand Prix (a CART event) would have placed him 3rd on the grid of the 1988 Detroit Grand Prix (F1's final race in Detroit) placing him behind only Senna and Berger.
I would be curious to know how many laps the Garage 56 took to need a refuel compared to the LMP2's. Surely that 700+ horse power (and extra weight) costs them some time in extra stops. That was part of the domanence of the deisil cars back in the day.
And don't do a standing start either. No series with LMP2 has standing starts, and neither does either Le Mans (when the Camaro G56 raced) or the Cup series where the original NASCAR Camaro races regularly. The difference (due to LMP2 having higher speed over the control line thanks to superior acceleration out of the Ford Chicane) might have been enough that the G56 wouldn't catch up until after the second chicane and the LMP2 could have passed back on exiting Mulsanne Corner.
I would literally pay you to see the NASCAR Cup Camaro, vs NASCAR G56 Camaro, vs Aus Supercars Camaro, vs Camaro GT4.R, vs whatever other Camaro you wanna throw in
@@THEWINDTUNNEL Please. I know the GT4.R is no longer racing, but to see those four up against each other would make me so happy. Hell even include the xfinity camaro maybe. Maybe even the IMSA corvette for fun. I just really wanna see those four Camaros duke it out
@@THEWINDTUNNEL I have a garage 56 Camaro which tops out at 187mph only and sounds nice too but has a different dash as well 🤔, I like the one you have there though.
Here we go LMP 2 and the Garage 56 is go in Le mans 1:30 look at that pace for 56 1:54 From this point can the LMP 2 catch the american camaro 3:35 No way he done it!
@@legeekdechepaou411 Because to be honest, the G56 car is already as light as you can reasonably make a stock car without radically altering the entire chassis. Sure, it's a sim version, but it still needs to somewhat reflect reality. Cranking that engine all the way up is something they could reasonably do without much effort, and if the engine only had to last a single lap the amount if power they can squeeze out of those things is _terrifying._ There was a Shelby GT500 touring car in New Zealand that had a Ford Cup motor, the RY45, and because it only needed to run for 25 laps or so they cranked the limiter up to 11,000RPM and just let it scream.
@@ian1231100 Definitely, because exit speed is everything. It would have been an even bigger gap if it had been overlaid qualifying laps, as the LMP2 car would have a significantly higher speed over the control line to start the lap due to getting a faster exit from the Ford chicane. Certainly enough that the G56 would not have caught up before the second chicane.
No, it's the aero. Weight matters for acceleration (longitudinal and lateral), but the Le Mans lap is dominated by straights, especially without the chicane. The Camaro has almost 50% more power than the LMP2 but a _lower_ top speed, so it must be very draggy. The drag isn't associated with downforce either, just the pure size of the car, so the power surplus is just being wasted.
Tbh honest both of you are right. A lower weight helps massively with acceleration, braking and low-speed corners while the aero let's you attack the high-speed corners. The LMP2 is less draggy too, very beneficial around here
The fastest lap time set by an LMP2 car in Le Mans was the pole lap in 2020 with a 3:24.528. The fastest time of a Hypercar was the pole last year when the Ferrari 499P did a 3:22.982.
@@tijmendr9006The hybrid wouldn't make too big of a difference. The current hybrid systems don't add any extra power, it is just a different way to generate power. It helps slightly because the lower from the hybrid is instant torque and the LMH cars get all wheel drive over 190 kph. But if you took an LMDh car and removed the hybrid, and gave them the same maximum power, they would be quite close because the LMDh would have the instant torque but the non hybrid version would be slightly lighter with no hybrid system.
@brinkipinki Before the Hypercara were introduced, the LMP2 cars were alot faster. They got heavily slowed down to the point they were about 7 to 8 seconds slower than they were in 2017-2020. By old LMP2s they mean, pre-nerfed LMP2s
Where should the Garage 56 Camaro race again?
Do a solo lap of the 56 on the nurburgring
Avus
A race on spa Francorchamps pls
The Nürburgring
Try the Nurburgring
Tbh LMP2 cars need more love
I sadly think it's overlooked so much now because it's a spec Oreca 07 class essentially. If they would have BOP'd the class batter then maybe it might warrant more attention. I'm sure Dallara, Ligier, & Riley would have liked that.
@@r35killa The problem is that the Oreca isn't necessarily faster than the other options. It's just SO much easier to set it up right for every available track that it's not worth putting in the extra effort into the other 3 to keep them at the same pace as the Orecas weekend after weekend.
@@julianturberfield7101 thanks for that info!! I wasn't aware!
@@r35killaWell you are in luck next year LMP2 is moving to a new generation of LMP2s, still a 1 engine class but will have chassis' the 4 LMDh chassis.
@maxb4085 I'm honestly ok with the one engine formula. It's kinda been that way for a decade now with Nissan being the previous dominate supplier. Same with LMP3 and the VK V8 (I heard that's going to a Toyota boosted unit though)
It’s crazy how the Garage 56 car even managed to pass an LMP car irl.
Tbf that was because the LMP2 car it overtook had a Bronze driver in and the G56 either had Mike Rockenfeller (the Le Mans distance record holder) or Jenson Button (F1 champion) in compared to the Bronze driver who is someone who is not a professional driver. Also during the race the Corvette GTE had a faster lap than the G56, the G56 however was faster in qualifying.
The LMP2 was driven by a Bronze driver who for all intents & purposes will not have the same level of confidence driving at night compared to gold let alone a platinum driver with lots of experience.
At the end of the day, it mostly comes down to the person behind the wheel
The NASCAR had Free Bird playing on the radio
Than LMP2 had to have some issues. The LMP2's were clearly faster everywhere
@@maxb148Corvette LMGT3 lapped 9.7 seconds faster than G56 realistically.
That was a great comparison......I would love to see the Garage 56 Nascar run at SpA and Nurburgring
Garage 56 vs Setsuna Yuki's Minolta Toyota 88C-V at Nurburgring 24hr Track?
Thank you! Definitely doing it!
@@THEWINDTUNNEL That'll be a destruction, G56 is too heavy to be competitive against a Group C in anything with lots of corners, and the green hell has loads of them.
Both LMP2 and Garage 56 NASCAR Cars deserved tons of love due to how beautiful those cars are.
Those flames are absurd! 😂
They're not quite that dramatic in real life, but it does make it easy to spot when the drivers have to lift in a Cup race.
@@gatling216and has 120bhp more than 2024 Gen7 NASCAR Cup Cars as well.
modded assetto corsa what can i say
Closer than i expected. Knew that p2 would destroy in the porsche curves lol.
LMP2 cars are also had better handling than Garage 56.
@@purwantiallan5089 thank you capt. obvious lol
@purwantiallan5089 it's almost like they were built to be the second fastest tin top race class behind lmp1/hypercar
Can you do the same but with the 1966 ford gt40 mk2 vs a lmgte
I mean the Camaro never really had a chance but still pretty close. Anyway when are u doing the rc car vs f3 car
Garage 56 NASCAR car vs Ford Focus RS WRC 2002?
@@purwantiallan5089 this is dumb
What a great comparison. I thought the Camaro was going to be cutting grass when I read the title.
Im still interested to see which generation of indycar is faster than the same generation f1 car
On an oval or circuit
@@caledonianrailway1233 on circuits none, on ovals all
@@caledonianrailway1233both, then a roval also.
:D
F1 Frontrunner, or any F1 car? IIRC from a look into historical qualifying times I did a while back, late 70s USAC frontrunners could lap faster than some F1 backmarkers of the same era. Al Unser's pole lap for the 1977 Molson Diamond Indy would have qualified him 21st on the grid for that year's Canadian Grand Prix, ahead of 7 F1 cars.
In terms of competing with F1's frontrunners, the late 80s could be close. Michael Andretti's pole time for the 1989 Valvoline Detroit Grand Prix (a CART event) would have placed him 3rd on the grid of the 1988 Detroit Grand Prix (F1's final race in Detroit) placing him behind only Senna and Berger.
@@thechannelimashamedof2361 I guess an f1 front runner since I'm more looking at the cars maximum performance more so then the driver
I would be curious to know how many laps the Garage 56 took to need a refuel compared to the LMP2's. Surely that 700+ horse power (and extra weight) costs them some time in extra stops. That was part of the domanence of the deisil cars back in the day.
I was expecting the G56 car to cut the final chicane and win!
I really wish it was a time trial format instead of a race format, then overlaid so they ghost through each other. Sometimes there's blocking
And don't do a standing start either. No series with LMP2 has standing starts, and neither does either Le Mans (when the Camaro G56 raced) or the Cup series where the original NASCAR Camaro races regularly.
The difference (due to LMP2 having higher speed over the control line thanks to superior acceleration out of the Ford Chicane) might have been enough that the G56 wouldn't catch up until after the second chicane and the LMP2 could have passed back on exiting Mulsanne Corner.
Great race man
Simply 10/10!
the g56 car is so cool lol. cool race
has the garage 56 nascar been made for ac? is there a link to it? ive been DYING to try it
Yeah but it's no longer available 😬
@@THEWINDTUNNEL damnnnnnn
Garage 56 sounds like satans dog growling. A nascar race at a short track sounds like hells dog pound.
That's definitely the way a NASCAR car should be running Le Mans
Can you imagine?
Ahh Le Mans
I would literally pay you to see the NASCAR Cup Camaro, vs NASCAR G56 Camaro, vs Aus Supercars Camaro, vs Camaro GT4.R, vs whatever other Camaro you wanna throw in
Definitely doing it this year as it's the last one of the Camaro :(
@@THEWINDTUNNEL Please. I know the GT4.R is no longer racing, but to see those four up against each other would make me so happy. Hell even include the xfinity camaro maybe. Maybe even the IMSA corvette for fun. I just really wanna see those four Camaros duke it out
Where did you get the garage 56 mod?
NASCAR Assetto Corsa Facebook group but it's no longer available :(
there was a video where one guy uploaded it to some site
This was fun, I'd like to see more, maybe Daytona road course vs oval
Hmm 🤔
Didn't it pass a few IRL?
Yeah but they had issues. The LMP2 cars were like 11-14 secs faster
I miss Le Mans, the days when top speeds exceeded 400 km/h.
Where can we find this camaro?
Tune into NASCAR every Sunday lol
3:33 G56 driver took too long to start to reaccelerate and lost time
Did he go too wide and got slowed down i wonder? I dont remember if the rumble strips on that le mans slows you down
In real life, I couldn't see the stock car getting around the prototype.
Where can wwe download that garage 56 or can you upload it for download?
It's no longer available unfortunately, I don't think I can share it :(
@@THEWINDTUNNEL I have a garage 56 Camaro which tops out at 187mph only and sounds nice too but has a different dash as well 🤔, I like the one you have there though.
@@THEWINDTUNNEL so you would rather it be lost media and gatekeep it. pathetic, it was a free mod
There's a soundmod for that Camaro available btw 😉
For the Garage 56?
Are all of these done on assetto corsa? I cannot find the g56 Camaro or any recent NASCAR mod on raceroom to download
yes all ac
Apparently the makers of the mod shut down their facebook group.
Do GT500 vs LMP2 please
Good video
Thank you!
anyone know the mod for the garage 56 nascar?
what kinda test is this anyway
Well, the Garage 56 Camaro stands a chance against LMP2s, even with chicanes.
Which LMP2 Mod is this?
URD Loire 21
Gonna be close
Here we go
LMP 2 and the Garage 56 is go in Le mans
1:30 look at that pace for 56
1:54 From this point can the LMP 2 catch the american camaro
3:35 No way he done it!
G56 could hit them corners harder than that but that's my opinion
You forgot to cut the last 2 chicanes, winner - Garage 56!
I just wanna race the G56 online already.... T.T
This might be a foolish question but could an lmp2 car beat a gte car while the gte car cuts the chicanes
The GTE is slower than the G56, specially without the chicanes
What game is it ? Thank you
Assetto Corsa
@@THEWINDTUNNEL Cheers 👍
could the cars slipstream off each other?
Yes!
Lmp2 great advantage at porsche curves
What game is this?
Assetto Corsa
Assetto Corsa
Sorry but ORECA 07 weight is more like 950 kg.
according to some drivers: LMP2 withoud BOP would beat the sh*t out of the all hypercars...
It would be very close. You can check pre-2021 LMP2 qualy times
And hypercars, if i remember they have bop
And without the BoP for hypercar tho?
Weight lmp2 950 kg.
now let's shed like 300kg from the g56 for shits and giggles
Or do the FUN option and give it a full-bore 950 hp, 9k+ RPM derestricted engine and watch it do like 230mph down the straight.
@@griffinfaulkner3514 I meant to give the car better cornering speed since it already has a 700+hp engine but why not make it a nascar group c
@@legeekdechepaou411 Because to be honest, the G56 car is already as light as you can reasonably make a stock car without radically altering the entire chassis. Sure, it's a sim version, but it still needs to somewhat reflect reality. Cranking that engine all the way up is something they could reasonably do without much effort, and if the engine only had to last a single lap the amount if power they can squeeze out of those things is _terrifying._ There was a Shelby GT500 touring car in New Zealand that had a Ford Cup motor, the RY45, and because it only needed to run for 25 laps or so they cranked the limiter up to 11,000RPM and just let it scream.
Nascars are just really fast trucks. Idk why people were so mesmerised by them
?? cup cars are CARS not TRUCKS
@@esalyers_822 1.4 tonnes is a truck.
@@donnypopovski7251Nah, a good sturdy pickup truck weighs 2.5 metric tons 😁
@@donnypopovski7251 trucks aren’t trucks bc they are heavy
A one off project did what?
Power to weight always win
I'm also guessing better aero and acceleration
@@ian1231100 Definitely, because exit speed is everything.
It would have been an even bigger gap if it had been overlaid qualifying laps, as the LMP2 car would have a significantly higher speed over the control line to start the lap due to getting a faster exit from the Ford chicane. Certainly enough that the G56 would not have caught up before the second chicane.
The weight is the problem
No, it's the aero. Weight matters for acceleration (longitudinal and lateral), but the Le Mans lap is dominated by straights, especially without the chicane. The Camaro has almost 50% more power than the LMP2 but a _lower_ top speed, so it must be very draggy. The drag isn't associated with downforce either, just the pure size of the car, so the power surplus is just being wasted.
Tbh honest both of you are right. A lower weight helps massively with acceleration, braking and low-speed corners while the aero let's you attack the high-speed corners. The LMP2 is less draggy too, very beneficial around here
Final day of asking.... BMW Sauber F1.08 vs McLaren MP4-23
Turismo carretera 🇦🇷 in le mans? Vs??
Who IS faster Old LMP2 or actually Hypercar??
hypercar because of the hybrid system probably but would still be interesting
The fastest lap time set by an LMP2 car in Le Mans was the pole lap in 2020 with a 3:24.528. The fastest time of a Hypercar was the pole last year when the Ferrari 499P did a 3:22.982.
@@tijmendr9006The hybrid wouldn't make too big of a difference. The current hybrid systems don't add any extra power, it is just a different way to generate power. It helps slightly because the lower from the hybrid is instant torque and the LMH cars get all wheel drive over 190 kph. But if you took an LMDh car and removed the hybrid, and gave them the same maximum power, they would be quite close because the LMDh would have the instant torque but the non hybrid version would be slightly lighter with no hybrid system.
@brinkipinki Before the Hypercara were introduced, the LMP2 cars were alot faster. They got heavily slowed down to the point they were about 7 to 8 seconds slower than they were in 2017-2020. By old LMP2s they mean, pre-nerfed LMP2s
🤔
The answer is no
the garage 56 car did beat an lmp2 car
Yeah but that LMP2 had big issues 😅
Obviously a video game
?
It's assetto corsa so obviously this is a simulator/video game.
I think the NASCAR was cheating
What game is this?
Assetto Corsa I'd wager
Assetto Corsa