Auto Focus Lenses for Canon RF are here... BUT WAIT!? 🤦
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2024
- Too Little Too Late? After 6 years we finally get 6 Sigma lenses on the way... all are APSC and all are the basic Contemporary range. NO Full Frame. NO Art or Sport lenses....
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Left Canon when I wanted less restrictive video so changed from a 5d mkIV to an A7III and now would not go back, I'm now on an A7 V and a load of 3rd party lenses and there's literally not a single lens or body within the Canon that would interest me. Such a shame but
Canon is just the worst these days heavy noisy and to expensive lenses
I'm an RF shooter with a Red Komodo and I was thinking about picking up an R7, these lenses are pretty compelling for me. Fast, sharp, AF, dust and splash resistant. And those zoom lenses look TINY. But I just bought a 24-105 2.8 so I will probably not be picking up any more lenses this year lol
I completely agree. As a Canon shooter for over 15 years, I waited patiently for any indication that Canon would open their system. However, two months ago I made the switch to Sony.
The advancements in mirrorless camera technology, particularly their autofocus capabilities, were too compelling to wait any longer. Consequently, I transitioned from my Canon 5D Mark IV to a Sony A7R V.
While the Canon EOS R5 would have met my needs, I was hesitant to invest in a system that locked me into a single vendor. Beyond the pricing advantage of third-party lenses, the expanded range of options is equally important to me.
One of my newfound favorites is the Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 lens, perfectly suited to my shooting style. This option wouldn't have been available if Sony hadn't allowed third-party lenses for the E-Mount.
In summary, I'm among the customers who have left the Canon system due to their restrictive mount-system policy.
Hope u enjoy your new Sony kit.
If you couldn't make good pictures with your Canon gear, going to Sony isn't helping you either.
@@Zenutheduck-to4nrIt is about choices in price and type of lenses. Think you don’t understand the discussion.
I'm a Canon shooter that's been really hoping for 3rd party lenses; not just for cheaper lenes, but also for a better selection. Only a few years ago, i used to say, that even if the other brands had better sensors, canon had the best selection of lenses and accessories. It's never about the camera, it's about the system. Canon just isn't releasing new glass fast enough to really fill their ecosystem.
Canon R7 user here. I love Sigma 18-35 f1.8 art. Absolutely awesome lens on R7 for video AND photo. Ofc it's adapted, but with the Meike MK-EFTR-C Drop-in ND filter adapter. Perfect.
If I will buy Sigma RF depends on price and reviews.
Sigma is known for excellent lenses, but more affordable than original Canon of same focal lengths. If Sigma makes a lens like the Sigma 18-35 f1.8 but with RF mount I'm in.
I found a Sigma EF-S 30MM f/1.4 in a used camera shop for $300 and adapted it to my R7. Great little lens! Nice and sharp!
I have been wanting to see mirrorless versions of that lens and the 50-100mm F1.8 that compliments it. Lets hope we get it!
I sold all my canon equipment 6yrs ago for the technology found in Sony... and thanks to affordability and quality of Tamron lenses, never looked back.
I use an R5 with the adapter. The first time I took it into the woods to photograph birds, I had my EF based Sigma 150-600c on it. Using animal eye detect, it locked onto a chicadee's eye; black head, tiny black eye. Third party lens and it worked very well. Since then, it's only gotten better with the firmware updates. I'll be staying with Canon.
At a core level, when basic shit like lens hoods are an extra cost accessory it really says all you need to know about canon.
That said, allowing Sigmas crop glass on the mount saves Canon money, that way they don't have to develop anymore crop sensor glass of their own and can still claim some kind of value to R10 & R7 buyers.
Interesting take on this. It makes sense.
Just buy the ef to r adapter. My Sigma lenses work perfectly fine on my R5.
Which brand adapter did you buy?
@vgee3926 The one right from canon. Get the upgraded one with control ring option. Alliws you to set up one extra function on your camera
For existing users that is a great option, for new users into RF who can’t afford L glass I imagine many of them if not most would be unhappy buying larger, heavier, older and in many cases not as optically good as the mirrorless equivalent.
@@vgee3926 Just get the Canon version. The 3rd party versions are cheaper but I don't think will be as trouble free. And the basic adapter is fine if you have a camera that has 3 adjustment dials like the R5 or R6. Control ring adapter does add the extra control, not needed but can be handy, but it's up to you if it's worth twice the price for a control that you might never even use. I know I really don't on my R5 or R6, but I do on my R7, as it has one less control dial than the R5 and R6.
All I want is the Tamron 35-150 for RF Mount.
Love this lens , but I would also love the Canon f2 28-70mm zoom lens on my Sony A7IV.
I want the 100-300mm f/2.8 on Sony 😂
I really long for it,too.
@@richarddufault Didn't Sony say something about making a 24-70mm F2?
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I suspected Canon would eventually open up, but only once they felt their own in house lens offerings were fleshed out and mature enough. And APSC makes business sense as Canon has clearly not roadmapped dedicated APSC lenses - not enough margin or market.
Canon is relying on owning such a *massive* segment of the commercial and professional markets (who have the deepest pockets), and assuming that the big buyers will stick with the brand they know. They don’t care about us smaller outfits as we don’t buy dozens of bodies at a time - they are happy to ignore us as we only buy bodies and lenses occasionally.
Excellent points mon ami.
3:25 - I was one of the people who decided not to switch to the RF-mount from EF. Decided to go Nikon Z and I'm not unhappy so far.
High praise...
but there is one point that is always ignored - with an adapter, EF lenses work like native lenses on the RF mount - not “just about as good as it gets” - no, like native lenses. and EF lenses are a dime a dozen.
these adapters are so cheap that i can easily attach one to any EF lens - and sometimes it's even an advantage if i use an adapter with a filter slot.
A philosophy I kept trying to instill in people was that EF lenses were the new third party lenses for RF, including the third party EF lenses, only with better overall AF performance on an R series camera. It never caught on LOL (though it was obviously a popular thing to do, and nearly all Canon shooters I know are adapting at least a couple lenses).
I still have a bunch I use from the EF mount; Tamron 35mm F1.4, Sigma 50mm F1.4, EF 70-200mm F2.8 IS II, Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 are the main ones I still use often enough to hang onto.
Lenses are now also expensive because we are nowhere near sales figures we had 10-15 years ago. You need to sell at least millions of such lens to make it somewhat cheaper, because 3-5 years of development cost, prototyping, testing, tooling, NPI and also marketing and distribution are expensive investment. This is also reason why for example Ricoh barely releases any new Pentax lens. There is very limited market for such things and it results in death spiral because without good price there are no sales, without sales there are no money for development and without new products customers say bye bye.
Great comment
Left two years ago because of this. No plans to go back. Also could care less for their APC cameras…The EOS-M were so much more promising. Best camera was the M6 Mii which I still own. 🤗
Canon seem to be dipping their toe in the water to see what impact it will have on their camera and lens sales without taking any risks. I'm not a Canon shooter but I see many dedicated Canon users are happy using older EF glass. I can't see this stance attracting new users to the Canon system. Who really wants to buy into a system where you have to adapt older lens to stay in budget.
when i kitted out for weddings after using Fuji for 5+ years, I chose between Canon and Sony - having used an R5 and an A7III for a year side by side, and went for Sony. Canon's bodies are more expensive for similar features, and at the time (2022-2023) Canon had just announced there would be no third party lenses for their new bodies. I am now extremely happy with 2 Sony a7IVs and a full suite of Sigma ART and Tamron zoom lenses, which all in was about the same price as one Canon body and a few lenses.
I agree with everything you just said Matt. On the other hand Canon absolutely NEEDED more APSC lenses. Their 4 (FOUR) rf-s apsc lenses were essentially kit lenses, and not very good ones at that. No PZ rf-s lenses. No lens hoods with $500 lenses???? C'mon....
Canon seems to have forgotten what made the EF mount so popular is that you can get so many great third party options with it. That's what built them up in the 90s and early 2000s, and they seem to have completely forgotten that.
After working with Nikon for a long time, I shot exclusively with Canon DSLR cameras for eight years, working in different countries around the world. I liked this system mainly because lenses and accessories for it were available for rent in any place I visited, even in remote places. Photo agencies also most often suggested Canon. A few years ago, when Canon announced its mirrorless cameras, I realized that I was ready to switch to such a system, since I had seen analogues from Sony in work. I waited a bit for the development of the Canon system and eventually switched to Sony. Firstly, I can still use Canon DSLR lenses. Secondly, I can buy or rent a huge number of lenses and accessories for Sony, while the Canon mirrorless system is extremely rare, and much more expensive.
I'm a Canon shooter. As you've mentioned, my R7 is my "back-up" camera on which my ff lenses work beautifully given the high MP. However, it's smaller lenses that I want to take for "grab & go" and on hikes (I'm in my 7th decade, and hikes in the US Pacific Northwest typically begin by heading up the side of a mountain.). So, I am glad to see this 10-18mm option, since Canon's own RF-S with that range, which I own, is pretty really weak.
I was a 40 year Nikon apsc shooter and recently switched to Canon because Nikon don't really have an aspc camera offering anymore - the auto focus on the Zfc Z50 and Z30 is way behind the AI system available on Canon and the sensor used in these cameras is ancient. Even the VFM R50 has very similar AI Auto Focus to the R3 - They also have some great value RF lenses especially telephoto options. I recommend you try out the Canon R50 with the RF 100-400 available for around 1250 dollars and compare it with any VFM options for Nikon or Sony using 3rd party or branded lenses. In my opinion nothing comes close at the price. The 100-400 even works reasonably well with the RF 1.4 converter giving you almost 900mm of equivalent reach in good light.
Ive always felt bad for Canon RF users, so many incredible lenses coming out from Tamron/Sigma that Canon users never got. If Canon truly does let companies make lenses for them, I'll be happy that RF shooters will have accesss to some insane lenses.
As a former Canon shooter the lack of third party lenses is what has kept me from investing in an RF system. My dream setup would be a R6ii with a few of the small Sigma primes. Sadly it looks like I’ll have to keep waiting for that.
It’s disappointing because I was a dedicated Canon shooter for many years and absolutely loved my 5Dii. However, like many people I was frustrated by how slow Canon was to embrace the mirrorless revolution: it felt like they were in denial for many years. I waited and waited and finally gave up and bought into the Fuji system, which I now love.
Frankly I don’t really see the appeal of Canons RF-S bodies when there are so many better APS-C cameras systems available. These Sigma lenses are great but they exist on enough other systems already.
It seems Canon still think they can control the pace of innovation in the camera market. Let’s hope they realise their mistake quickly and open the RF mount properly to all manufacturers
As far as I know, Sony used to not have 3rd party lenses when they went mirrorless. Many Sony shooters used to adapt Canon EF lenses to Sony A mount.
Amateur shooter here that got shafted when they ended support ef-m...i was ready to jump to rf mount apsc (dont care about FF) until i heard they weren't letting 3rd parties make rf lenses. I have some of those apsc sigma primes for ef-m and they are great bang-for-buck lenses, but once my m50 dies i'll move on to sony apsc (or fuji if they sort their af out) as there are more lens options already and i dont have to be as concerned about their anti-competitive practices
Since purchasing the R5 when it came out I have bought only 1 RF lens (14-35 F/4) and currently don't plan on buying any more. I still have my 5DS and all my EF lenses but my money in the last 5 years goes to lenses for the Sony cameras. I bought the R5 so that I could continue to use my 500 F/4 II and it works reasonably well with it (autofocus and image quality are amazing but it is the only camera I own that crashes regularly when I'm shooting). I take is as a second camera for fun but if I need to get the shot the Sony A7RV is the one that doesn't fail. Currently the Sigma 500 F/5.6 is looking like a good option to allow me to just move on and stick with one system but Sony have set a limit for those in terms of teleconverters.
Switched from Canon after 20 years to Sony last year. I used to use all EF L lenses but when they switched to mirrorless in Canada its like $3000 for the 50L. Nah. Went to Sony for Sigma lenses and all the lens options.
used to be Canon users during DSLR, but not mirrorless.
As of now , Sony has a wide range of affordable and widely available used lenses for the E-mount.
Canon has left it too late . Were they to throw open the RF mount tomorrow , it would be another ten years before they are in the position that Sony is today.
I am an amateur Canon dslr shooter , both full frame and apsc. My plan is to pick up a Sony a7iv , or a7r iv or perhaps an a9 in the near future and a new (ish)sony 200-600 zoom . I will continue to use my favorite ef lenses with an adaptor until i get around to replacing tem with native or 3rd party glass. The price of fast ef glass is prohibitive .
The only thing that will possibly keep me with Canon is a major lottery win .
I can not see any RF Sigma Full Frame lenses available until minimum 1 year after Canon releases a 24L and 35L and heck maybe a 50mm f1.4L while we are at it. If I were a betting man this is my bet.
It begins! So far I have been quite happy with the lens selection for L line ( pending the 35mm...) but definitely this was long due. Hopefully we see the full frame line at some point... more options the better 😁
Thanks, for the timely update, Matt! BTW, Samyang also had to stop producing decent AF 14mm and 85mm RF lenses a few years ago.
I am a life-long Canon shooter all the way back to A-1 days in th 1980's.
I survived the EOS R, moved on to the R6 but quickly moved up the R5. I been contemplating adding a R6 ii or R7 as a second body. BUT, I am still on the fence about investing more in Canon cameras and more RF lenses. Sigma's announcement is nudging me away from Canon.
I have a Sony A7 iv in my shopping cart for two reasons. 1. Sony makes great cameras with only perceived ergonomic and menu system deficiencies to Canon. 2. The wide-open E-mount lens ecosystem is second to none with so many quality Sigma, Tamron and other lens options from Samyang, Viltrox, etc.
Taking Sony for a test drive might be my best option. Who knows? I may decide to leave Canon for good. The third-party RF lens clock is ticking.
To be fair this is no different to what Nikon does currently regards Sigma. Sigma have been allowed to fill the APSC gaps in the Nikon lineup but so far no full frame options. Wonder if Canon will allow Tamron to do the same?
Tamron is also releasing zoom 11-20 2.8 for RF
I started shooting Canon back around 1989, finally left to go to Sony despite the awful ergonomics simply for the Tamron 28-200 amongst others after seeing the direction they were heading with the RF line after I bought the RP!!!
Us canon C70 shooters are winning with this
Yeah sub-par strategy for sure. I won't leave; I'll just keep using the adaptor.
I started with Canon APSC DSLR (70D), then went to the Sony A7iii on its release when I made the switch to mirrorless. I just picked up a Z8 due to Sony pricing out of the “mid” range ($4k price point) for sports/wildlife. I would 100% have gone with the R5 instead if there was any 3rd party lens support. So not only are people leaving Canon, but there must be others besides me that are opting out of switching to Canon. Their bodies are incredible, but just can’t stomach the essential requirement to spend $2k plus per lens…
I am one of those guy who used Canon before and paused Photography for a few years and now I want to get back to it but Canon lens prices simply put me off as a hobbyist.
I made the move from the Canon R5 to a Nikon Z8. Best decision I've made (got my own reasons). Nikon 3rd party is getting stronger by the day. Tamron have the 150-500, 35-150, 28-75 G2, 70-300 all Z-mount AF lenses. Nikon's Z wildlife lenses are hard to beat for choice (I'm looking at the 180-600 personally) with their small size 400/600/800 primes, then 400tc & 600tc. Nikon's AF is now up there with the best too. Really does bring a smile to my face every time I use the camera. (Currently have z24-70 2.8 S & z105 2.8 S macro, adding the Laowa 90mm 2x macro soon then 180-600..what more do I need ha!). Nikon's own Z mount range are amazing.
@@KPAki1Ler The Tamron 35-150 specifically is the lens that prevented me moving to Canon. If you don’t mind sharing, what reasons do you prefer the Z8 over the R5?
@@seanbowen4429 I prefer the Z8:
*Stacked sensor 4ms readout ES.
*3-WAY tilt display (Canon R5 articulating LCD irritated me while using an L-bracket).
*Build feels more robust for outdoor photography.
*Canon 100-500 is nearly £3k, when for £1500-1799 you can get the Z 180-600 or Tamron 150-500 for £1k. So in certain cases I can get lenses for less money with no real world difference in image quality. In fact Nikon's Z lenses are often praised for their amazing quality. I found Canon's L series to be great quality but they priced me out of my comfort zone, with no option for 3rd party lenses.
*Nikon Z8 is an all around better camera, I can't find fault with it, the Canon R5 is fantastic however, it's just these points I've made regarding the Z8 make it better for me.
* I've been a canon shooter for 10+ yrs.
I think if canon had an r5II with my first 2 points made the same as the Z8, it'd be better, but I would still take issue with lens prices/options, I'd choose the Z8.
@@KPAki1Ler Definitely agree on the sensor readout and the LCD screen. I prefer the size and weight of the R5. For 1st party lenses I’m torn. The size and weight of the RF 100-500 is incredible and the quality but it is slow aperture-wise. I really hope sigma FF primes come to the Z mount
I've been shooting Canon for decades. My 10 year old Canon DSLR is the last product I will have ever bought from Canon. It's really a shame :( Canon used to be the brand with the by far best ecosystem. And now look at them...
I have an R7 but frankly I've found that there are two lenses I can use with it and be happy: an adapted Sigma EF 30MM f/1.4, which is super sharp, or the RF 100-500 L, which is also sharp enough to resolve the 32 MP sensor. I also have an R6 and R5 and I'm not lacking for choices for RF mount lenses. However, the words "inexpensive" and "affordable" are NOT part of Canon's current RF lens vocabulary. That said, you get what you pay for; the 50 MM f/1.2 is a FANTASTIC lens. But I wouldn't mind having a native RF version of Sigma's 20MM f/1.4. That's a super sharp lens! Absolute banger! Thanks for reporting on this!
I own the Sony a6700 and the canon R7, I bought the a6700 at the start of the year and the R7 when it was released, I have barely used the r7 since buying the a6700 because I have 4 x sigma/Sony APSC lens that are small, compact, sharp with wide aperture’s.
I was contemplating selling the R7, but these lenses absolutely change the game for me, I’d be very interested in a APSC Tele zoom APSC lens for sport that could actually utilise the R7’s 15 frames a second without an f8 aperture
I was seriously debating whether to move to Canon again after being with Sony for 5 years. But knowing that Canon is keeping an old tradition alive it is not worth it for me. The only manufacturer that I know it can pull that off and has done it for years is Leica. I'm sticking with Sony, there's so much out there and the selection is unbeatable.
I just switched to Canon FF recently. I have never been a big user of third party glass. I am glad it is out there and I think that you are spot on about this being good short term but a bad decision long term. I am an enthusiast and not shooting professionally (for money). If I were I may have a different opinion as sticking with a stubborn manufacturer is not a great business decision. I mostly chose Canon for the autofocus ability as I was previously shooting Fujifilm. So far I have found the Canon IQ to be slightly better but mostly if I am pixel peeping. Ergonomics and low light performance of the FF (R6 ii) sensor seem to be about 1 stop better. However the focus (especially continuous tracking) is next level. I tried the Sony A7iv but the ergonomics were not nearly as good for me. I considered Nikon as I love their output but to get the same or similar focus performance I was looking at going up a level to the Z8 and I didn't want to drop that kind of cash. Maybe if they ever do support 3rd party glass I will try it but for now I am enjoying my 24-105L. Might look at some of the inexpensive primes that Canon offers as well. Thanks for the video.
I've been a Canon user for decades. I've got no intention of changing brands. However, I will not be upgrading to a Canon R camera until a) Canon allow third party full frame lenses in RF mount and b) Canon start producing a wider range of RF mount lenses. I will be sticking with Canon DSLR cameras and EF lenses for the foreseeable future.
I agree this Canon's strategy is going to hurt them in long term. I also think the situation for the Nikon Z mount is not great. I still miss the best Sigma and Tamron fullframe lenses there.
I maybe wrong here so please don't crucify me - How many hobby and amateur photographers are going to require / use the full range of RF FF lenses? With a very capable RF / EF adaptor, they have a full range of EF lenses at their disposal.
For me personally as a hobbyist, I use the RF 100 400 alongwith the EF-S 18 55, and EF 70 300 adapted on my R7.
Hope Canon adds the lens profile for the sigma apsc lenses to their DPP4 software. I don't use the adobe twins.
I think it's the ef adapter that has been saving Canon really. A lot of their milc lenses (and I don't know the line up by heart, I am sure there are some decent intermediaries) are either crazy expensive, albeit amazing, lenses that most can't justify/won't buy - or tokenist crap harkening back to the film era of big numbers sell, and that will do while we figure out what the market actually needs.
I think Canon have taken an apple approach to 'you will buy it anyway'. And if what Matt says is true, that people are actually leaving canon, this could be good news. Maybe it will even move into another field, like computers too....
But then, when a massive tech youtuver like mkcbhd, or whatever the Marques Brownlees channel is called, can spout so much ill informed crap including a concern that Red cameras may get worse 'because nikon cameras are worse than Canon, but here isnno evidence and clearly we don't know about the z8 or z9' - I fear many people will keep buying Canon because they always have. So Canon can keep doing whatever they want.
The R7 is rough on glass. Even the EF 70-200L IS USM Mark III isn't really sharp enough to resolve that sensor. I had to step up to the RF 100-500L to use it for wildlife. That said, the EF glass is great on my R6 and even my R5. So it's a mixed bag. That said, I found an absolute gem in the Sigma EF-S 30MM f/1.4. That's an incredibly sharp lens, and with the crop factor you're at 48MM, which is a very useful range, and it can resolve the R7 sensor. I used that 30MM with the R7 at Disneyland and it was just about perfect! So yes, there are some great adapted options.
All that said, you simply HAVE to try the RF 50MM f/1.2. Rent it if you have to but give it a shot at some point. Absolutely FANTASTIC lens! Super sharp even at f/1.2, no chromatic aberration to speak of, buttery bokeh. The price will put you out on the street but at least you'll be taking amazing street portraits! Speaking of which, can you spare any change? I mortgaged my house to buy RF lenses and now I'm homeless...
Well in their defense, when Canon expands their full frame line up and not the APS-C, people complain that Canon is not serious about the APS-C system. When more APS-C lenses do come out, you complain that there are not thinking about people who shoot both APS-C and FF?
I personally think it's fair that they opened up APS-C lenses first. God knows where this will go from here, but as an R7/R6 shooter I'm excited about this move
Sure. Someone will complain no matter what. But this video remains valid I think
You didn't mention that Sony cripples the third party lenses to where you can't enjoy the full features of the camera. At least Nikon doesn't do that. There is scuttlebut about the new Tamron 28-75mm GII lens being rebranded and used as the kit lens for the Nikon Z6iii. That doesn't seem to make much sense. Just like the rumor that the Z6iii won't have bird detect autofocus.
Ever since Canon released their first mirrorless cropped cameras, all folks were complaining about were the limited choices. Well now that is ending. But some folks still want to complain. This is a pure Genius move by Canon which will allow them to focus mostly on the FF Lens lineup.
And how does that solve the problem of Canon FF lenses being too expensive for some people...I'll answer it for you , IT DOESN'T...smdh.
@@badboyvr4 Canon has more then enough affordable FF Lenses.
About 5 yrs ago I switched to Nikon which I really liked the cameras and lenses. I had a z50 and I still have the z6ii. I shoot a lot of high school sports and like DX for sports and wildlife. But I found that the plus & minus icons on the touch screen screwed up a lot of my photos because it would accidentally hit the +. So I bought the R7. I love the R7. Also love mirrorless. I tried to go back to dlsr but realized that I really hate checking exposer on the rear LCD. I don't have a preference between full frame and crop, I just love shooting pictures. That being said, Canon please wake up and smell the third party market. I love Sigma lenses.
Thanks Matt, love your channel and keep up the great content.
I really don't understand why is someone still buying Canon, they are so behind in tech and mindset it's mindblowing. This is one of the best things about Fuji. I personally don't like their lenses, but love their bodies, so I only buy third party lenses.
I have a Canon and I’m happy that Canon allow now Sigma and Tamrom to produce Rf mount lenses, and I will not go to Sony
While Canon didn't allow 3rd party lenses, Canon has the best system to allow you to adapt EF lenses to the mirrorless cams with no quality or speed loss. I'm shooting all adapted EF lenses and saved a bunch of money, and get basically the same performance as the RF lenses. In fact the Sigma 50 1.4 Art on the R6 II is smaller than, and just 99% as sharp as the RF 1.2 version, and 4x cheaper! Oh and ironically the Sigma Art adapted focuses significantly faster than the RF50 1.2.... and accuracy is exceptional on the R6 II (essentially never misses).
With Sony and Nikon the adapted lenses don't work as well as their native lenses so if they didn't have 3rd party options, it would be really bad.
To be fair, Sony works great at limited speed - but still competitive - And all Nikon lenses I’ve tested that have an AF motor work fine adapted
C70 Owners will be hyped.
R7 shooter here, very interested on 10-18 2.8 but not on primes. Those are on my FF Nikon body.
I guess it’s a start and as such it brings hopes and it’s better than nothing
I was lucky enough to get the Viltrox RF f1.8 85mm autofocus lens for Canon. It is hit & miss in some lighting situations at f1.8 but when it gets focus right, it is perfect. I tend to shoot it at f2.8 mostly as it's more consistent in grabbing focus. I only have one Canon RF lens, the RF 24-105mm f4. I don't plan on getting any more due to the exorbitant costs in Australia but would consider Sigma for sure if they bring out full frame RF lenses.
Yes, indeed. I am a Canon user, but I shoot with only RF lenses at the moment.. However, there are many Canon users prolonging third party lenses that are more reasonably affordable. Canon is slow in tech and greedy in finance? Maybe. Hopefully, the up-coming cameras in May do have more features, such as better color solution and dynamic ranges and others.. Canon is mostly one step slower. It is not a leader, but a follower..
I've been adapting EF lenses for as long as I own the R5C and I'm pretty happy. I have an EF-RF adapter with drop-in filter support. It's so convinient I think I'd really miss it on native RF lenses. Native RF lenses surely have advantages, espeically in terms of autofocus, weight and size, but the convenience of effectively a built-in ND filter (or CPL for that matter) is also valuable for video shooters. I was disappointed by Canon, so maybe I'll look into another camera system after the day eventually comes for my R5C. But for now, I don't care so much about USING RF lenses any more.
Well that's better than nothing. I am a Canon RF APSc customer and the Sigma lenses seem ok and will plug a gap in the lens line up. I may even buy the 2 APSc zoom lenses, but I have never bought a Canon FF camera, because they're either too expensive for my budget or too crippled for my taste. I have used their adapter with my existing EF & EFs glass and it works, but mounting it gets a bit tedious after a while. I decided on Nikon as my FF system because of the availability of mid range lens options. My experience with 3rd party lenses for Canon is a mixed bag and I would probably say you're generally better off with sticking with Canon, if possible.
I came so close to selling my R7 and R6 MII and buying a Sony just for this reason. I will hold out for one more year and see where this goes. If Canon doesn't start making some changes for the full frame... Sony, here I come.
I'm canon r6mii user
honestly for me, it's a good news
you seemed to have gaslighted the report into oh it's only apsc
for RF mount, it's a big deal already
I guess there's hope for full frame RF lenses too.
AND, third party lenses are hardly anything of value to me. All my kit is all canon and I don't feel I'm missing on much.
for reference, Im an enthusiast/hobbyist using r6mii, RF 70-200 L and RF 50 1.8 STM. that's all my kit 😀
I love my R8 and RF 24-105! F/4 L. Canon isn't getting anymore money from me for a while anyway. So if they don't want to make money from me vis 3rd party licensing, well, I hope that works out for them.
I am canon shooter and I am optimistic. I think next ones in the line will be something like 28-70 f2.8 for full frame so not a direct competitor to L lense but something that could drag budget full frame shooters to canon.P.S last year I bought Sony apsc for travel to pair it with sigma 18-50 f2.8 - this year I would buy canon ;)
I'm a Canon shooter. When I'm able to upgrade to a mirrorless, I'll probably go with Sony, for this very reason.
Waw finally sigma did it
I was jealous from sony users having these aps-c lenses 10-18 18-50 and the triple 1.4
They are super light weight with fast aperture which fit perfectly on my R50
Seems like a half-hearted move at best on Canon's part. I don't shoot Canon but if I did, I would likely be quetioning why I would remain in that eco-system.
So grateful I went with Nikon since at least they allow Tamron full frame lenses. Any "first party only" snobs completely disregard that third parties often make unique designs that the OEM will never make, things like the Tamron 35-150 f/2-2.8. Sony definitely gives the most flexibility of the big 3, with Nikon somewhere in the middle. Even with these lenses, it leaves Canon far behind in that regard.
As a Canon RF shooter, I think it's good for those who don't need FF cameras.
i wouldn’t mind shooting canon since they have great options for portrait photos, expensive yes but still good options
As a Canon shooter I really don't care.... Maybe Im just not big enough of a gear head but I still shoot my ef L lenses adapted for anything paid and/or anything I'm taking seriously and the cheaper rf prime lenses for everything else. This works great for me and I have absolutely no complaints. If in the future there are 3rd party rf full frame lenses then great... If not, life goes on.
Same. I never understood the outrage. I still use 3rd party EF lenses on my RF cameras also. They work great.
Canon shooter. I’m hoping for a retro style aps-c camera. I’m thinking they may be going for the fuji shooters since the x100vi is impossible to get, they’ll boost their street/travel camera sales. My question is why not create these lenses in house.
2:58 Canon offers a 50mm at only $200. You only pay $2000 if you want the top-of-the-line f/1.2 L glass.
I've been disappointed with Canon's treatment of 3rd parties so far, but I'm still tentatively hopeful that they'll come around.
i’m curious on your thoughts too Matt, why do you think Nikon aren’t allowing full frame Sigma lenses for Z mount? they’ve shown they have no problem allowing other manufacturers to make full frame lenses, and like Canon they’re allowing Sigma to release crop sensor lenses for their mount, AND i’ve seen Sigma even recommend in their instagram page that Nikon shooters can use their DG DN lenses with a Sony E to Z adapter like Techart’s. so its definitely Nikon holding back on full frame Sigma lenses specifically, do you think they’re also afraid it’ll ‘cannibalize’ their native lens sales?
I believe they do not allow lenses that directly compete, i.e. same focal length and same f-stop, as Nikkor lenses.
@@seanbowen4429 i would’ve thought so too but they’ve allowed the viltrox full frame 85mm f/1.8 for example which is so baffling to me
Viltrox is coming with f1.2 and 1.4 primes in all range for Z mount. Then why not Sigma for Nikon???
I have an R5 and am still happy using my ef lenses and adapter.
Interesting that the only Sigma lenses on Z mount are also APS-C lenses
Opening the R mount for alternative brands is a very good move on Canon's part. In addition, this strategy benefits many users who were threatening to switch to Sony (or have already switched) just for that reason. This ends up being a plus for Canon, especially for bodies with APSC sensors where Canon hasn't developed the lens lineup as much as for FF bodies and will amplify market leadership.
I'm sure third party lenses are not going to perform as well as RF lenses effectively using the 12 contacts, resulting in lower overall performance, although they are going to be great especially for those who can/want to invest less in lenses. Nobody talks about this but it is a fact. The user looks for price and does not think so much about performance, which ends up being good anyway.
It should be clarified that the RF mount has a very complex communication system between lens and camera, which allows adapted lenses (EF) to work well, but it has limitations and only Canon uses the necessary technology to achieve the best results in speed, precision and image quality.
At the end of the day, using alternative brands in RF mount is going to have similar results to using EF mount lenses with an adapter, with the only difference being the final size or 'inconvenience' involved.
Canon is clearly setting up APSC for amateurs and full-frame for professionals. They feel there is profit to take on the professional side where there is less price sensitivity, hence the high prices, high quality, and licensing restrictions. The margins are too low for Canon in the APSC lens market so they are letting Sigma and Tamron flesh those product lines out. I just wish they’d make mid-tier lenses like they used to. Not L series but better than the budget variable aperture plastic garbage they’ve been offering. The RF 200-800mm is a glimmer of hope that I expect is selling very well and maybe convince them to do more in the mid-tier like the old days but I’m not holding my breath. Amateurs will just have to settle for scraps or shell out for professional priced lenses it seems.
by Black Friday I will buy me a new camera body and it will be a mirrorless, I have a Nikon D7500 and doing video is what is making me purchase another camera, so the natural path is the Z30 BUT now with sigma & tamron lenses I can take a second look at the R50 or R7/8 So yes, I will take a long hard look, since I have time.
Thanks for the video
If I could deal with Sony's ergonomics, I might not be shooting a Canon R5, because I find their lens policy obnoxious. But since I don't need that many different lenses for the R5, and the ones I do need are really good (28-70, 70-200), it gets the job done. But when I wanted to add something really wide, I would have liked more options. I much prefer Fuji as a company, for instance.
I only have one APS-c camera and it is a Nikon. I still shoot Canon full frame, along with Nikon. I would have switched to Sony, but they use those horrific A type memory cards. If the A7 RV had two B slots, I would have bought one. I don't like Canon's monopolistic stance, but I think it is their right to choose how they market things. I have been shooting Canon for the longest, clear back to film days (I still have two Canon 1N HS cameras and a spare for parts). But Sony dragging their feet on those slots has put the kibosh on a change to Sony. I think the Nikon purchase of Red may be an enormous boost to Nikon. They have designed the best global shutters so they could make a flagship camera that puts Sony and Canon to shame. It also frees Nikon to use a foundry like TMSC so they would not have to buy sensors from a competitor.
Maybe sigma saw the opportunity that canon has so few lenses for apsc, which is true for a long time. Also, Im excited that sigma is in the market, its only a matter of time.. I almost switched to Sony but here in brazil was cost prohibitive to get Sony 400mm 2.8. Since the release the r5 and r6 canon is as good as sony but has the same issues that they always had. That being said, Im happy with my r6 mk ii, and use mostly ef lenses ( 16mm rr, 35, 50 and 85 sigma art, 70-200 2.8 ef ii) and Very happy with the results. Also, canon needs to sell a 70-200mm that doesnt expand the barrel, for those who use in harsh conditions like rally, construction and beaches.
I'm too invested in Canon RF mount and will patiently 😠await for Sigma lenses for the RF mount
This really feels like they don't want to make APSC lenses and that's the only reason they're allowing this.
Have a canon r5, been shooting canon since the 620 film. I got the ef to r mount so I could use all of my legacy lens, both canon & Tamron and it works fine, so I will not be switching from canon anytime soon
I am looking to get a full frame mirrorless to replace my old Nikon D810. But since all my D glass wont work with the nikon adapter i might as well switch systems. So i thought the canon r5 looked perfect, but the lack of a 85mm 1.4 for a resonable price is holding me back. So sony is looking attractive but i am still considering as its a lot of money.
they screwed themselves so much, also with this move.
Same as for leica L mount. It is a snowball effect. The mount is aging and there are still no 3rd party lenses available (l-mount has some in their partnerships) This also means another (couple) of year(s) delay for cheap lenses on the 2nd hand market. Even if they release full frame 3rd party lenses in 2025, then it takes at least 2 years before the first lenses show up on the used market.
This makes the gap so much bigger for RF and Canon and their users will suffer for it for years to come.
First it was a dick move and I think they made a lot of money of it.
Canon was for a very long time, the only brand for "real" pro users. This is no longer the case and they have given other brands the opportunity to solidify their positions.
I was a Canon shooter. This move will make me think twice before ever going back to Canon.
I've got an RF Samyang AF 85mm, were Samyang sued as well? Those quickly disappeared from the market. AF works fine.
I'm happy with my Canon lenses. RF or adapted, they just work. 3rd party is a nice benefit, but not for me. Sigma has some nice lenses, but they've had their issues with focusing. Maybe these issues might go away with the new FF RF glass?
Sigma lenses have no issues focusing on mirrorless cameras. With DSLR it was horrible for Sigma glass but now with the RF mount using Sigma and the EF to RF adapter they work flawlessly.
@@pjcontos sorry, that’s what I meant, DSLR cameras. Haven’t tried a Sigma on my R5 yet. Thanks for clarifying that.
I shoot Canon. Best thing about Canon is Canon Professional Services. They answer the phone, repair the gear, and take care of shooters. Love my RF system. I never shoot APSC. Tough to move to a new system, I'm deep into Canon. Lots of EF and RF glass. Lots of camera bodies. What bothers me most about Canon is the Cripple Hammer. They won't give me zebras on stills on the R5. Should be an easy peasy software update. Frustrating.
YA HACIA FALTA QUE HICIERAS UN VIDEEO CON MI CAMARA
Que cámara usas?
@@mattgranger Canon R8
I have an R5 and an R7 (crop sensor) camera. I also have a Rokinon AF 85/1.4 RF purchased from B&H about 4 years ago. Mostly it just sits in my gear bag, as it is just a mediocre lens.
I agree, as a customer, that it's disappointing that it's only apsc lenses. However, I wouldn't put much stock into that Canon and Nikon are making business mistakes about restricting third party lenses because Sony is trying to do the same.
But how is Sony doing the same? Look at their 16-25 and 24-50 f2.8 lenses. They are directly competing against the third party full frame f2.8 zooms. And in the retail floor space this matter a lot because customers won't be seeing those third party options as often anymore. Then there is also the 15 fps articifial limitation. Whether 15 fps is useful to you anecdotally is not important, this limitation marks that future third party lenses can never be equal to Sony's.
This isn't to say, "Oh no, Sony bad", because it's not. It's just that Sony has come to the same conclusion as Canon; they need to drive out the third party lenses. Sony can't just ban them at this point though so they have to create products to suppress the sales of third parties. You can argue that this is good for the customer, and in the short term it indeed is for us. In the long term it can be too so as long as they continue the "budget" line. However, just know that Sony are trying for the same platform control Canon, and Nikon to a lesser extent, already has. It's just an interesting comparison of business strategies.
it must be a late 1st April Fool's Day joke!!!
R6 n R7 shooter here... sticking to canon ......too broke to switch systems😂😂😂
Seriously tho, no third party FF lens is a bummer.
I got plenty of rf lenses. not the expensive once but the lenses that canon make for rf are still good for me. I'm was a sony user but because the software I was using for business didn't except sony at the time sony not allowing 3rd party software to be used with sony cameras. Sony now does allow 3rd party software but I'm to invested in canon now that it's not in my best interest to go back to sony right now.
Canon R6 MkII user, not going to fall out with Canon, happy with using the adapter along with my EF L lenses that I’ve built up and would lose a ton of money trading in and upgrading to RF comparable glass, get the feeling Canon are not shifting as much RF L lenses as they would like, just way too expensive for hobbyist photographers and a huge investment for pros to justify.
I shoot Canon. EOS R, RP, R7 - but mostly all 360 photos with the R and the 8-15F4L at 12mm (it's a commercial rig for me). To some degree you can test a person's personality type based on owning Canon. Mostly stubborn, cares less about gear, or uninterested in anything else than a result that works... which is me.
Would it be nice to have lots of other options? Sure. Would it make my workflow faster or better quality? Not likely. With the R and the 8-15 at 12 mm and a 360 stitch of 4 around, that makes a 14k wide equirectangular image, which happens to be the biggest that Google Street View hosts. So more pixels are luxury and might in rare circumstances add a bit of sharpness when scaled down.
So... does this matter? Not much, for me.
I am Canon user and my only complaint is there are no wide L lenses. I am using 24 and 35 exclusively with an adapter
They are reportedly announcing 24 and 35 L RF glass this year.
@@Zenutheduck-to4nr We’ll see, Canon rumors said this every year
As a long time Canon, Nikon, and Leica user I’ve never bought third party lenses. I have been satisfied by the lens selection from each manufacturer. Currently my largest lens selection is Canon on a R6II body. I use all EF glass with out issues. In most cases AF works better than on DSLR bodies. I know Nikon blew it for older Nikon D lenses by it not being AF compatible with the Z bodies. So I have not bought any new Z bodies. I doubt current Canon user are switching brands because they can’t buy a Sigma lens. That just sounds ridiculous. Of course if I could not use my older EF glass on the newer RF bodies I would have been upset. But Canon made the adapter for EF to RF fully compatible with all EF lenses.
"there are no third parrty auto focus lenses" umm samyang 14 and 85. also in the lenes lineup the apsc is where lenes are needed. What FF lenes are missing at the moment? Just ifs and buts here
Glad you love the current line up. For what people would like to see - you can read the other comments.
I'm a Canon user and have been for many years. This doesn't bother me at all as I prefer to stick to lenses made by the same company as the camera. The last time I looked at buying a third party lens was pre-mirrorless. Sigma was half the price, but the reviews consistently warned that the Sigma lenses tended to miss focus every now and then so make sure you overshoot. At the time I preferred to save up a bit more and get the Canon lens just so that I didn't have to deal with that. Now, I don't even look at other manufacturers when I want a new lens.