Nice to see an experienced crew of a small railroad at a small brewery, performing a task that is generations old, but that the big railroads can't be bothered with. Good video!
I've been driving trains in Europe for ten years now so i'm pretty much used to it by now, but that horn sure is a thing of beauty! Not to mention the street running and the direct service to a local industry :)
North American railroading has so much more visual and audial beauty when compared to other railroad systems in the world... right down to the literal bells and whistles. For all of America's faults, railroading was definitely something they got right, aside from not utilizing MORE of it... the auto industries are to blame for that. And you can thank Canadian inventor Robert Swanson for that beautiful horn.
@@Belleville197 freight yes, but Europe and Asia , passenger rail is much better than here. I wish we weren't car centric and had better walkable cities .
@@torquetrain8963 totally agree... North America used to have excellent and frequent passenger service... and lots of it too... a vast network of lines... all gone in favor of cars.
Trains and a brewery, a marriage made in heaven. When you know the train conductor by his first name, that is golden. This is what makes America Great. Thank you Rambler.
A lot of that screeching and squealing on a tight curve is caused by the fact that the wheelset is one solid unit. So, in a curve the outside wheel is traveling further than the inside one and it has to skid on the rail a little bit to stay with the inside wheel.
Well, that's only one reason. But the main issue was the track curve was too acute for such a long wheelbase carriage. Generally in Broadgauge tracks, track curves are way too large so that the wheels don't screem.
I don’t think that’s true. The wheel tread has a taper that allows the outside wheel to ride up a bit, effectively increasing the circumference of the outer wheel and decreasing the circumference of the inner wheel.
The wheels of a railed vehicle are tapered to form a double sided cone (one taper per wheel), this allows the wheel to "technically" run at the speeds needed to make curves with monoblock wheels. The reason for the screeching is rather the flange, on tight curves the flanges are pushed against the side of the rail which causes the screeching and other noises. I don't know about rail cars but locomotives actually have a lubricant that is applied to the flanges for this reason.
I love seeing the train running in the middle of the road. Thank you for showing the closeup of him switching the rails. Always wondered how they did that. It amazes me how that the engine and car fit inside the brewery like that
This is classic "close clearance" where there is less than 8.5 feet from the center line of the track to both sides for obstructions. The 8.5 feet dimension would need to be increased because of the curve. This location would have had to get an exemption for the close clearance requirements.
I would also bet that GP40 is darned near the max size locomotive that could get in that building. I'd bet the original design (and usage) was for SW series locos or GP7/9 sized frames.
Greetings from France. Very interesting video, especially the technical aspects like the doors hidden in the street surface to access the switch mechanism. We had such sidings in the past accessing plants and industrial sites, but now most have vanished, with just remnants that are difficult to locate. Good to see that such great rail stuff still exists in your country!
It is awesome to see active street trackage and an active switch in the street! Short lines and regionals take way better care of customers such as these. On a class one this beautiful stretch of track would’ve been abandoned at best maybe even removed!
I used to work in a warehouse just like that. It too, was part of a brewery, abandoned by the time I worked there. The warehouse was wedge shaped with rails in the floor in an equally tight curve. Ours didn't have a platform, however. It was being used as a shipping hub for a small franchise package delivery warehouse. That job ended one bright, winter day when a heavy, wet snow brought down the roof. The brewery was later sold, restored, and is back in service.
I measured the radius on Google Earth, and it's about 160 feet, which is really tight. If you wanted to see what a 22" HO radius (which is pretty common for mainlines on ordinary layouts) would look like in the real world, this is it.
Excellent video, thank you so much! I love street running, and I was not familiar with Utica, New York until your video. Excellent references for scenicking on my own layout. Thanks!
So glad you caught this! Until the late 50's the South Shore had a passing siding on 11th Street in front of the Michigan City Station. Both ends had a single point switch, which I remember looking at as a kid. The siding was removed, but after decades as a single track the line will soon be double tracked. Cheers from Wisconsin!
As of summer of 2022, they are removing the street-grade trackage through town, sadly. I only learned about the operation *after* it was announced it would be removed! Missed a unique opportunity but much thanks to all the people like Rambler here that capture these moments for everyone to witness in the future.
Truly enjoyed this video. Never heard of an in-ground switch before, nor have I heard of that brewery before, so my ongoing education is all the richer. Thanks for making it.
Thanks for sharing this video with me. I remember the trains coming to the warehouse across from us on Fay St. in Utica when we were kids. I also lived on Schuyler St as a young adult and the train used to ride down the middle of the street. I forgot about how that used to sound until this video brought everything back.
what a marvel of engineering, for me this place is magical, I would live happily living and working in this place, thanks for showing these details congratulations for the video
To quote an old 1970 commercial, " You just can't argue over Utica Club, cause they put so much love in to it" I lived in Utica for a very brief time in 1970. I thought the brewery's name was West End Brewing Co, I could be wrong. PS Is the Obelston still there on Genesee St?
Tonight I'll dream about a few Schultz and Dooley UC commercials from Channel 3 WSYR, the only channel we got in Moravia on my dad's 75' high double conical VHF antenna. The German street band will go by the tavern's window, but Dooley's crush on the girly mug still has him fascinated. No beer company would DARE giving us kids so much pleasure, today. Thank you Utica Club for being part of this 77-year-old's childhood memories!
Great video. My mother had family in the Utica and Whitesboro area. On one visit back in the 60's we went on the Utica Club Brewery tour. I was amazed. Thanks so much. Also, I love the old switch tower you can see down at the end of the street.
I saw a photo of a locomotive hugging that curve a while back and wondered what it was. There was no info on the photo. Thanks for filming. So cool to see its actually from modern times.
Fantastic video of local brewery switching combined with street running. 70 years ago my grandparents lived two houses from Steam street running which included switching for Coal storage, meat packing, industrial industries in Chicago.
Fascinating stuff, thanks for sharing 👍✌️😊💜 A lot of workings, and inset rail in the road, have long since gone in the UK☹️ Weymouth UK was always interesting with passenger trains along the road/docks etc, fairly tight radii too. Nothing like your local railway though! If that was modelled (it's given me some ideas) with bogie locos and stock, some know-it-all would come along and in a nasally voice say "that's unprototypical!" There's a prototype for everything 😉😉 That flange squeal is almost deafening too😲😲😲😯😄
Love videos like this.Hopefully the places don't give you a hard time. Im sure others like me look at this and go man what a cool addition to a Model railroad this could be. Thank you
Definitely gotta visit Utica again. Passed by once on 95. Stopped briefly to grab a bite to eat. Thought those tracks were abandoned. Absolutely gonna visit again! Cheers from MA!
That street switch is AWESOME! I love your videos of it in the winter! That has to be a nightmare to maintain! One day I'll make it up there for a beer at that place! Love this video! Thanks for making it!
It’s so awesome you are always out there capturing Ethan (I don’t mean it in a creepy way). I’m sure his daughter appreciates it more than you can imagine, memories for a lifetime.
Nice to see an experienced crew of a small railroad at a small brewery, performing a task that is generations old, but that the big railroads can't be bothered with. Good video!
I've been driving trains in Europe for ten years now so i'm pretty much used to it by now, but that horn sure is a thing of beauty! Not to mention the street running and the direct service to a local industry :)
North American railroading has so much more visual and audial beauty when compared to other railroad systems in the world... right down to the literal bells and whistles.
For all of America's faults, railroading was definitely something they got right, aside from not utilizing MORE of it... the auto industries are to blame for that.
And you can thank Canadian inventor Robert Swanson for that beautiful horn.
Now I’m gonna lookup trains in Europe….lol
@@Belleville197 freight yes, but Europe and Asia , passenger rail is much better than here. I wish we weren't car centric and had better walkable cities .
@@torquetrain8963 totally agree... North America used to have excellent and frequent passenger service... and lots of it too... a vast network of lines... all gone in favor of cars.
@@Belleville197 correct
Trains and a brewery, a marriage made in heaven. When you know the train conductor by his first name, that is golden. This is what makes America Great. Thank you Rambler.
Wonder if that brew is as good as that engine manoeuvring
@@TheClockwise770 You know it baby!
I was at that brewery as a kid in Utica, now in roseville,CA.
That was the switchman, not a conductor.
@@ThisIS_Insane no sir the conductor is the switchman, this is a conductor.
A lot of that screeching and squealing on a tight curve is caused by the fact that the wheelset is one solid unit. So, in a curve the outside wheel is traveling further than the inside one and it has to skid on the rail a little bit to stay with the inside wheel.
Well, that's only one reason. But the main issue was the track curve was too acute for such a long wheelbase carriage. Generally in Broadgauge tracks, track curves are way too large so that the wheels don't screem.
Hence why automobiles use differentials
I don’t think that’s true. The wheel tread has a taper that allows the outside wheel to ride up a bit, effectively increasing the circumference of the outer wheel and decreasing the circumference of the inner wheel.
Yeah, the differential is from the wheel taper, pretty sure it's the flange of of the wheel doing unpleasant things.
The wheels of a railed vehicle are tapered to form a double sided cone (one taper per wheel), this allows the wheel to "technically" run at the speeds needed to make curves with monoblock wheels. The reason for the screeching is rather the flange, on tight curves the flanges are pushed against the side of the rail which causes the screeching and other noises. I don't know about rail cars but locomotives actually have a lubricant that is applied to the flanges for this reason.
I really enjoy these calming and relaxing videos. A comfortable “watch”. Thank you.
I love seeing the train running in the middle of the road. Thank you for showing the closeup of him switching the rails. Always wondered how they did that. It amazes me how that the engine and car fit inside the brewery like that
this is so great to see a company using rail transport for their commodities!
Seems grossly Inefficient to move a single car at a time…
@Vtarngpb a lot of plants just need one or two cars per week. Do you know much MUCH material is in one railroad car??
@@TaylorMMontgomery5 semi trucks
@@TaylorMMontgomerysometimes more. Also it often gets joined to a large train of cars not to far down the line further increasing the efficiency.
Great video! Last mile industrial ops are fascinating. And a bonus: friendly crew. Nice.
Just amazing how close that engine and train car come to the building walls inside and out. Thanks for sharing!
This is classic "close clearance" where there is less than 8.5 feet from the center line of the track to both sides for obstructions. The 8.5 feet dimension would need to be increased because of the curve. This location would have had to get an exemption for the close clearance requirements.
@@royreynolds108 Thanks for the interesting reply.
I would also bet that GP40 is darned near the max size locomotive that could get in that building.
I'd bet the original design (and usage) was for SW series locos or GP7/9 sized frames.
@@litz13 Thanks for sharing your interesting notes.
Greetings from France. Very interesting video, especially the technical aspects like the doors hidden in the street surface to access the switch mechanism. We had such sidings in the past accessing plants and industrial sites, but now most have vanished, with just remnants that are difficult to locate. Good to see that such great rail stuff still exists in your country!
Thanks for your especially interesting comment!
It is awesome to see active street trackage and an active switch in the street! Short lines and regionals take way better care of customers such as these. On a class one this beautiful stretch of track would’ve been abandoned at best maybe even removed!
I used to work in a warehouse just like that. It too, was part of a brewery, abandoned by the time I worked there. The warehouse was wedge shaped with rails in the floor in an equally tight curve. Ours didn't have a platform, however. It was being used as a shipping hub for a small franchise package delivery warehouse. That job ended one bright, winter day when a heavy, wet snow brought down the roof. The brewery was later sold, restored, and is back in service.
very cool video, that switch moves so smoothly pretty neat. Thanks for sharing
Looks like well engineered infrastructure, will probably last 100 years of service.
Thanks for posting this video. This is the type of trains video I enjoy the most.
I measured the radius on Google Earth, and it's about 160 feet, which is really tight. If you wanted to see what a 22" HO radius (which is pretty common for mainlines on ordinary layouts) would look like in the real world, this is it.
Like running O trains on an O27 curve
more like 15 radius
It's good to see videos like this. I grew up in the Utica area and have fond memories of this location. Thanks for posting.
My daughter graduated from Syracuse; I was lucky to spend time in the area. I absolutely love it! thank you for the videos
This was an awesome video that brought back a ton of memories. Thanks for sharing this!
Glad you enjoyed it!
FX is probably my favorite switching job to watch. Thanks!! U.C. for me!!
Thank you for taking us along for the ride…it’s a great gift for people like myself who can’t travel to different destinations
Great video, thanks for sharing
Thanks for bringing back some childhood memories. Haven’t lived there for a long time but it will always be home.
Toured Utica club when I was a kid , in Roseville ,ca. Now
Excellent video, thank you so much! I love street running, and I was not familiar with Utica, New York until your video. Excellent references for scenicking on my own layout. Thanks!
So glad you caught this! Until the late 50's the South Shore had a passing siding on 11th Street in front of the Michigan City Station. Both ends had a single point switch, which I remember looking at as a kid. The siding was removed, but after decades as a single track the line will soon be double tracked. Cheers from Wisconsin!
As of summer of 2022, they are removing the street-grade trackage through town, sadly. I only learned about the operation *after* it was announced it would be removed! Missed a unique opportunity but much thanks to all the people like Rambler here that capture these moments for everyone to witness in the future.
@@realpillboxer that's a terrible shame.
I can't think of a better rail video I've seen on UA-cam. That was spectacular, thanks.
I subscribed just because of this video! Love seeing Railroads like this still being used.
That is awesome, very good catches here! GP40 sounding absolutely gorgeous!
Thanks for sharing some unique switching at the brewery. Do see street running in Kentucky but the brewery work is special. 👍
Looking in from N. Yorkshire, England. Wonderful videos.
Truly enjoyed this video. Never heard of an in-ground switch before, nor have I heard of that brewery before, so my ongoing education is all the richer. Thanks for making it.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Gotta be the coolest spot to set of a car caught on tape
Great video ,a historical railroad video, thank you👍
Wow,interesting and amazing video friend👏👏👏👏👏😯. Like and big hug from Argentina👍👋👋👋😃
Love this! I’m not too far from Utica and I would love to come see this operation someday.
Wow, its great to see this...greetings from Germany...I love the American Railway
Great video. Thanks for filming and sharing. Fantastic to see that small branch line activity 👍
Well Done!
I’m from Cooperstown NY. Not far from Utica.
Love to see the old streets. Such fun.
Cheers!
Fascinating track switch. I love the connection with the guy on the train. Pretty cool video
Best one yet . Mister. that's Kool how our little town still survives. PEACE
Thanks for all your great videos. Left Little Falls about 5 years ago after living there my whole life and do miss the rail action.
That is one heck of a tight fit! Thanks for the video, this was very exciting!
Fantastic video & so cool seeing a historic brewery.
That K5 sounded great. Especially when you were following the train. Beautiful echos. Love how the conductor said love you to his daughter.
I love this! I love trains. I remember as a kid The Erie Lackawanna RS-3 dropping box cars at Fay St. warehouse
Thanks for sharing this video with me. I remember the trains coming to the warehouse across from us on Fay St. in Utica when we were kids. I also lived on Schuyler St as a young adult and the train used to ride down the middle of the street. I forgot about how that used to sound until this video brought everything back.
What a brilliant video! And such a great inspiration for modelling 😊
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
Pure lovely ..many thanks DVD:)
what a marvel of engineering, for me this place is magical, I would live happily living and working in this place, thanks for showing these details congratulations for the video
This is so cool! I am so glad I found your channel. I live near here and always hope to catch a train when I am on this street.
👏🏻👏🏻Your videos never get old, thank you! 😉
Relly cool video!!! Loved it!!!
Thank you for taking the time to document this interesting operation, great video!
Very cool! I've always wondered how in-street switches worked. The derailer is neat too.
We used to take a pry bar on those street switches
I’ve seen a pry bar used here on occasion as well.
Really Cool. Thanks
To quote an old 1970 commercial, " You just can't argue over Utica Club, cause they put so much love in to it" I lived in Utica for a very brief time in 1970. I thought the brewery's name was West End Brewing Co, I could be wrong. PS Is the Obelston still there on Genesee St?
Very nicely put together video and very entertaining as well. Thanks for posting this.
That was amazing. It's only when you see these things on a street that you really appreciate their size and power.
Great video. I love small time operations
Love the NYS&W. I see them in and around Binghamton, especially the Frito Lay plant bringing in corn oil, and vegetables to make all our snacks!
Great video highlighting this, I love street running!
Too cool! Takes me back to simpler times. . . ;)
Nice catch. I like switching. This sound is music in my ears. Greetings from Berlin/ Germany. Sven
Tonight I'll dream about a few Schultz and Dooley UC commercials from Channel 3 WSYR, the only channel we got in Moravia on my dad's 75' high double conical VHF antenna.
The German street band will go by the tavern's window, but Dooley's crush on the girly mug still has him fascinated. No beer company would DARE giving us kids so much pleasure, today. Thank you Utica Club for being part of this 77-year-old's childhood memories!
Great video. My mother had family in the Utica and Whitesboro area. On one visit back in the 60's we went on the Utica Club Brewery tour. I was amazed. Thanks so much. Also, I love the old switch tower you can see down at the end of the street.
Here's a closer look at the old tower ua-cam.com/video/uryj_WK702E/v-deo.html
MOST EXCELLENT VIDEO 😮💯👍👍👍
Excellent video. Great action!
one of the best train vids out there!
Is Ethan now a Hollywood mega star having appeared in one of you videos? I think he is!! Thank you for taking the time to make this film 🙃
I saw a photo of a locomotive hugging that curve a while back and wondered what it was. There was no info on the photo. Thanks for filming. So cool to see its actually from modern times.
Wow, great stuff. I see the Elevated Gate Tower down the street - just like the Atlas HO model. Brilliant that all these things still exist.
Here's a closer look at the tower: ua-cam.com/video/uryj_WK702E/v-deo.html
Another Great video. Thanks, Jim from Decatur,IL.
Fantastic video of local brewery switching combined with street running. 70 years ago my grandparents lived two houses from Steam street running which included switching for Coal storage, meat packing, industrial industries in Chicago.
THANK YOU FOR VIDEO
Glad you enjoyed it, I had fun making it.
Now that's cool! Thanks for sharing.
Awesome video! 👌
Thanks for sharing, that was awesome.
Fascinating stuff, thanks for sharing 👍✌️😊💜 A lot of workings, and inset rail in the road, have long since gone in the UK☹️ Weymouth UK was always interesting with passenger trains along the road/docks etc, fairly tight radii too. Nothing like your local railway though!
If that was modelled (it's given me some ideas) with bogie locos and stock, some know-it-all would come along and in a nasally voice say "that's unprototypical!" There's a prototype for everything 😉😉
That flange squeal is almost deafening too😲😲😲😯😄
Awesome video. I believe Model Railroader magazine made a building just like this for one of their layouts
Love videos like this.Hopefully the places don't give you a hard time. Im sure others like me look at this and go man what a cool addition to a Model railroad this could be. Thank you
That was amazing! I actually loved the wheel sounds 😊
That is so cool that you see a locomotive on a trolley looking track like this.
Very nice work!
Great video, the switch in the street impressed me. Hope for more.
Outstanding! I love the old watchman tower in the background. It's good to see one still extant.
Greetings from Tonawanda, NY! Cool as always! ❤️👍🏻I dig the EL GP7 pic.
Definitely gotta visit Utica again. Passed by once on 95. Stopped briefly to grab a bite to eat. Thought those tracks were abandoned.
Absolutely gonna visit again! Cheers from MA!
This is so cool. It reminds me of pictures and stories of the old days.
This was fun to see! Thank you!!
Great video really enjoyed watching that 👍
My goodness, this is wonderful!! This encounter makes me think of a familiar meeting at the village fountain.
What a great modeling idea.
An interesting video, very nicely filmed.
Great video! I saw the 2 CSX engines delivering 2 hopper cars to the brewery Thursday morning.
Wow, that is really unique and awesome! Ethan is a pretty nice guy also
Thanks! Give Chessie a pat from me!!
That street switch is AWESOME! I love your videos of it in the winter! That has to be a nightmare to maintain! One day I'll make it up there for a beer at that place! Love this video! Thanks for making it!
Thanks Matt!
3040! Good to see that locomotive back. Street running and switching. Twice as good!
I have that very engine from Atlas in HO scale.
This is one of the coolest unique railfanning videos I've seen on UA-cam for a while. Hope you get high views for it. Just sub to your channel.
awesome video
This is a very interesting channel just subscribed.
Thanks, welcome aboard!
Thank you for sharing this. I believe that my life is enriched.
It’s so awesome you are always out there capturing Ethan (I don’t mean it in a creepy way). I’m sure his daughter appreciates it more than you can imagine, memories for a lifetime.