Ooh! Bess Myerson! If you don't know...Kurzweil makes amazing keyboards. He and Moog teamed up, and evolved the form. Ray is a world-class visionary, inventor, and genius. We like him! He is largely responsible for the democratization of orchestral music and its composition and performance. Some of my own work the kurz is right here on the tube!
I read the article in Time magazine & was not surprised to find this composition to be uninspired. Kurzweil may believe in the capacity of computers to generate and surpass what can be supremely transcendent, but I cannot see how.
I saw a bit of this in the movie "Transcendent Man." I recommend it to anybody who has not yet seen it. It's all about Kurzweil and of corse the DVD has extras, like Herbie Hancock and Stevie Wonder talking about him, and a Q&A session where he's asked a lot of doom and gloom questions, I guess because Hollywood has conditioned us to expect The Revolt of the Machines.
You know, we're creators at the heart of things. We will end up creating the very things that replace us in due time. And they won't replace us in the traditional way. Many humans no matter what will always seek to change themselves and adapt in every conceivable way. Many will perish but when the next big phase of our evolution comes upon us they will be ready and I'm sure it'll be a struggle but on the other side of it will be a calm, like a barrier to this world, where they'll grow.
I want to hear the rest of the music to hear for myself whether it sounds like a computer wrote it or not. I get the feeling it's like the uncanny valley. People might have thought the music was well composed somehow, but they also saw that it wasn't quite right.
@koobecafmit yES, Yes, that's Bess Myerson (a Bronx girl) who was Miss America back in 1945. Better living through plastic had not yet arrived on the scene.
@lceman11 It's 1965. Computer have already been in existence decades by then and were quite common in businesses and offices. It wouldn't be that hard to guess.
@OxygenBurglar: Where exactly does he do that? Everything I have seen from him has been supportive of much of Kurzweil's predictions. Look at his review of The Singularity Is Near, for example.
Conclusion: 1. Ray Kurzweil was way smarter than anyone on that board. 2. America's beauty queens today lack even 1/4 of the intelligence that they possessed 40 years ago. 3. Kevin Spacey could play Kurzweil if they ever made a movie about him.
@Clyaton: You also said: "Obscene concentration of wealth at the top? We have a growing welfare system bigger than most governments AND the most billionaires in the world." That is exactly my point.
Evolution isn't just about competition. It's also about new landscapes. Places where there is no competition, at least at first. A temporal safehold. So just look around you and ask "Where is there no competition?" Where're the new land scapes? What challenges do they present?
@gebregio Yeah, he mentions in passing that it's controversial, but doesn't really go into detail about what moral objections there may be and how they intend to overcome them. And that's a good point about social stratification - they seem to be under the impression that advances will benefit everyone, much like in the 50's and 60's people dreamed of a utopian future. While we have the capability of feeding, clothing, educating and providing medical care to the entire world, it isn't happening.
@gebregio: That is a very good reason to get rid of the corporate monopolies and oligarchies now, and to reduce the obscene concentration of wealth at the top. When these technologies come, human labor will become more and more obsolete. At that point, the ultra-rich can just ignore the people, or kill us off. Incidentally, that is one of the things the Unabomber was freaking out about.
It's true the tests from back then cant even be passed by most collage students today... We have fallen far. Even the Elementary tests were insane...This was cool to see. You have had an amazing life Ray; here's to hoping it continues for decades (or centuries -lol- more).
@KJVWordofGod: No, I did not "in fact claim no afterlife." I said "people who claim knowledge of an afterlife are either fools or liars, and should not be trusted." That statement stands as true. It makes no claims whatsoever as to the existence or nonexistence of an afterlife. Then again, given the utter lack of credible evidence supporting the existence of one, it is perfectly reasonable to reject believing in such. That goes double for the specific afterlives described by theists.
that is pretty cool however he should've played the music that was being written at the end of the clip. to gauge how similar it would've been to the original. Gurantee you 80% of that computer was empty boxes. Computers composing completely original music one day will be pretty damn interesting to hear.. But this is a computer following a set pattern( or like that lady said 'algorithm'.)
Man's arrogance is never to be underestimated. Computers are machines that follow programs. In some cases sophisticated programs, but programs nevertheless. Wonders to us to be sure but they will never be sentient. They will always follow programs. They will be slaves, robots, etc. Man is truly sentient and will one day see God. How each man is received of God depends on that man's relationship with Jesus Christ. Then will begin a never ending wonder for man, either in heaven or hell.
let's say I download my consciousness right now into a computer. Then there would be the corduroy99 in the computer and the one writing right now. Which one is me? The one in the computer will experience other things different to the one writing making both of them different with time. I the one writing will still die, the digital one which is not me will not, but what good does that do to me?
Corduroy99, what if the digital copy was more of a backup drive, where you nightly uploaded your newest data tot he machine... and it did not switch on until the day you died? At that point there is no original you to compete against, but a version of your 'way of thinking' would continue beyond your death. If you uploaded each night... that back up would be there to be awakened if your meat-mind was incinerated in a fiery car crash during the drive to work.
Even if a digital upload is just "a copy" I would still consider it a legacy of myself carrying forward. Before anyone says 'have kids', I'm both unable and disinclined to that path... I don't consider my *genetic* heritage to be the point, but my thoughts and opinions to be. Short of potentially stifling my organic child's room for personal thoughts and development there is no guarantee of imprinting my ideas wholly onto that young individual. A digital 'copy' would be more ethical and ideal.
17 year old amazes the World and uses a Computer to write sheet music. Mo, he's not the first and he didn't invent the function, he simply did it also only at age 17 and from a place in Neyw Yoork City. Can you believe that. A kid from a place like that and he already knows how to plagiarize other peoples work as though it were his own. Wow and way to go Future Man as we look, Back,,, into your Pasttttt…. Ouwwwwooooewahhhh BTW if he's 17 in 1965 can you guess how old he is today?
@Malagraves Are we not in part prosperous because of these big corporations you want to abolish? I personally hate what corporations have become (individuals in the eyes of the law, often without consequence (LLC)),but to say they aren't big because they aren't efficient or effective and usually SERVE people in various ways is disingenuous. Most are and do. The rich being rich isn't a problem, usually what IS the problem is the laws that protect them, the favoritism shown to some over others.
@gebregio Ahhh, what was confusing about it? I thought it was awesome. As far as being scary, I think it is on one hand, but on the other hand WITHOUT the singularity I don't see a lot of hope for humanity. Things will definitely be very different, but I think it will be beneficial.
How would YOU get rid of corporate monopolies, through the power of the public? seize control? Use government force to steal? I want to hear what YOU would do, so that I might continue my criticism. Who are your political fav's? What is your political philosophy? What was the last book you read? The Communist Manifesto perhaps? Please do tell thinker
Ah, this is amazing...O.o What's his IQ score again? I have a Conceptual quotient...not really an intelligence quotient. So when it comes to wiring something I tend to depend on someone else...I get the idea, ray seems to have IQ CQ PQ and SQ
@pgdevil you will only understand if you try. there is no chance I could be wrong. none. you can't just invoke a 'mind' and leave it at that. you imply that it would be the same yet you have no idea what we are. how can you then know it can be copied in the physical? of course you can't. because it can't. you will only understand if you actually think. I know it's a radical thought but indulge me. just maybe thinking isn't so bad
It's not that hard to write music. You just put in some notes on chords, like what Kurzweil's computer's piece came up with. A melody is almost just random notes. But for the music to be a masterpiece - I don't know if his computer could do that. Perhaps completely by chance. Still pretty impressive, though. At 17.
@Malagraves A.K.A. we are a prosperous nation who takes care of the poor and needy (and not so poor and needy on top of that), with money from the top, because we are wealthy..... So we are doing exactly what you prefer ALREADY then?
ray sez he will be able to download his consciousness into a computer in the near future. Well, that only means that A COPY of his consciousness will be in a computer but HE WILL STILL DIE! NEEEEEEEEEEXT!
The show panel was so fake. With so little piece of information, there was no chance even someone with high musical knowledge knowing that piece of music was written by a computer. And the lady there had such a high IQ (unlike current miss america). It was all arranged. Nice to see Kurzweil so calm thou, he's a genius.
@agentdoubleozero We may not know that there is a god. But if so or if not, it is increasingly clear that the universe, evolution, and humanity are a mechanism to eventually produce a perfect being - God.
@Malagraves I don't have the energy to be mad at you, I just felt like making a point and having some fun at the same time, but if you really think you are so far above these people intellectually, why bother responding to them? Just to get their gears working? To piss them off? That's just a form of trolling, I've probably done it too, but you do it A LOT.
he built and designed a computer using punchcards, which was based on the same design that was created in the 40's a-la Conrad Zuse and Alan Turing... isn't that called copying?
I think he is. I myself, based on the sorts of technologies I've seen, expect it maybe somewhere between the year 2015 and 2020. I won't say what that technology is, however, because I wouldn't want some gun-toting Sarah Connor wannabe to read it. :)
quite impressive at 17 and in that time period. he's no dummy. but it's interesting to note that despite significant intellect he stills gets a lot wrong. like michiu kaku. it's all part of the weird reality that is humanity and what we truly are. for neither of them have realized the quite obvious that qualia is impossible in the physical thus proof that we are spiritual beings. for what is bool pain=true; but a bit set that falls short of sensation. the marvel is really that obvious. think
@Malagraves You are correct there, I have not.. While it seems like a very valid concern, where are they? Oh, that's right, in the very near future.... I do worry about bioengineering don't get me wrong, but to rely on Kurzweil's words would simply be a political scientist trying to interpret an actual scientist's work. And if it is so damned easy, who is gonna stop it? Not you or I, so why put so much stock in bio-warfare scare talk? (not saying that's what kurzweil is doing)
This is the best video on UA-cam. It has many layers.
The miss America of back then was so smart and well spoken.
this guy is a fuckin genius man, that's the kind of people we need.
I came here from the Time's article, and I think Ray is going to be the cause of people from the future coming to our time, and "Taking our jobs".
and hopefully he (and us) will be around for quite some time (by this I mean hundreds of years!)
Ooh! Bess Myerson!
If you don't know...Kurzweil makes amazing keyboards. He and Moog teamed up, and evolved the form. Ray is a world-class visionary, inventor, and genius. We like him!
He is largely responsible for the democratization of orchestral music and its composition and performance. Some of my own work the kurz is right here on the tube!
Our main instrument is a Kurzweil k2000 from 1990 in the group.
It´s not a coincidence.
he was handsome back then
This is VERY Impressive! WOW 17 yrs old!
Read: "The Age of Spiritual Machines" by Ray Kurweil. Amazing book :)
I read the article in Time magazine & was not surprised to find this composition to be uninspired. Kurzweil may believe in the capacity of computers to generate and surpass what can be supremely transcendent, but I cannot see how.
that time magazine article blew my mind
lol just the front cover of that issue made me read all of it and come to this
I saw a bit of this in the movie "Transcendent Man." I recommend it to anybody who has not yet seen it. It's all about Kurzweil and of corse the DVD has extras, like Herbie Hancock and Stevie Wonder talking about him, and a Q&A session where he's asked a lot of doom and gloom questions, I guess because Hollywood has conditioned us to expect The Revolt of the Machines.
A seminal moment, and nobody present knew it.
You know, we're creators at the heart of things. We will end up creating the very things that replace us in due time. And they won't replace us in the traditional way. Many humans no matter what will always seek to change themselves and adapt in every conceivable way. Many will perish but when the next big phase of our evolution comes upon us they will be ready and I'm sure it'll be a struggle but on the other side of it will be a calm, like a barrier to this world, where they'll grow.
I want to hear the rest of the music to hear for myself whether it sounds like a computer wrote it or not. I get the feeling it's like the uncanny valley. People might have thought the music was well composed somehow, but they also saw that it wasn't quite right.
@koobecafmit yES, Yes, that's Bess Myerson (a Bronx girl) who was Miss America back in 1945. Better living through plastic had not yet arrived on the scene.
@Clyaton: The entertaining mad-on you provided is reward enough, thanks.
@lceman11
It's 1965. Computer have already been in existence decades by then and were quite common in businesses and offices. It wouldn't be that hard to guess.
Já era um génio brilhante !
@OxygenBurglar: Where exactly does he do that? Everything I have seen from him has been supportive of much of Kurzweil's predictions. Look at his review of The Singularity Is Near, for example.
You know what's cool? If Ray is right about some of his predictions he's gonna end up looking like the kid in this video post singularity.
he's a freakin genius thats what he is
haha he looks so different..yet still sounds the same after 40 or so years :P
Conclusion: 1. Ray Kurzweil was way smarter than anyone on that board. 2. America's beauty queens today lack even 1/4 of the intelligence that they possessed 40 years ago. 3. Kevin Spacey could play Kurzweil if they ever made a movie about him.
This comment has not aged well
Not after recent developments... XD
@antmiu2 Read "The Singularity is Near"
It was acting. I'm friends with Bess Myerson and she said he was not like that off camera.
@Clyaton: You also said: "Obscene concentration of wealth at the top? We have a growing welfare system bigger than most governments AND the most billionaires in the world."
That is exactly my point.
does anyone know where to hear the full piece? I would like to juge by myself...
I can hear it.
Reminds me of the UA-cam Clip "Look around you - computers"
I love those 60s glasses.
@dag101101 Knowledge grows exponentially.Possibilities are endless.
@MikeFromTheUK1: Would you care to provide an example, or are you passing wind?
@Heopful: You don't seem to know how algorithms work, nor do you seem aware of the size of computers from that era.
This is why he want to reverse his age
Evolution isn't just about competition. It's also about new landscapes. Places where there is no competition, at least at first. A temporal safehold.
So just look around you and ask "Where is there no competition?" Where're the new land scapes? What challenges do they present?
It's even more about cooperation.
now that's cool hardware.
I wish Bess M was given a chance to complete her last question.
how did they get that in just 2 guesses?
@pgdevil I do not know. I have only identified the spiritual. I have no idea what it is
genius solution for output.
where's the sound?
@gebregio Yeah, he mentions in passing that it's controversial, but doesn't really go into detail about what moral objections there may be and how they intend to overcome them. And that's a good point about social stratification - they seem to be under the impression that advances will benefit everyone, much like in the 50's and 60's people dreamed of a utopian future. While we have the capability of feeding, clothing, educating and providing medical care to the entire world, it isn't happening.
@gebregio: That is a very good reason to get rid of the corporate monopolies and oligarchies now, and to reduce the obscene concentration of wealth at the top. When these technologies come, human labor will become more and more obsolete. At that point, the ultra-rich can just ignore the people, or kill us off. Incidentally, that is one of the things the Unabomber was freaking out about.
What is surprising about the model being articulate? That she is female and also intelligent?
What is surprising is the expression of surprise :)
It's true the tests from back then cant even be passed by most collage students today... We have fallen far. Even the Elementary tests were insane...This was cool to see. You have had an amazing life Ray; here's to hoping it continues for decades (or centuries -lol- more).
HOLY SHIT this is culture
Thumbs up if you're here cuz you read TIME magazine!!!
@KJVWordofGod: No, I did not "in fact claim no afterlife." I said "people who claim knowledge of an afterlife are either fools or liars, and should not be trusted." That statement stands as true. It makes no claims whatsoever as to the existence or nonexistence of an afterlife. Then again, given the utter lack of credible evidence supporting the existence of one, it is perfectly reasonable to reject believing in such. That goes double for the specific afterlives described by theists.
Man! Kurzweil was an attractive looking kid.
@leenstl: So much for your credentials.
Oh my god, look at how young ray was! He actually looks a bit like venomfangx.
that is pretty cool however he should've played the music that was being written at the end of the clip. to gauge how similar it would've been to the original. Gurantee you 80% of that computer was empty boxes.
Computers composing completely original music one day will be pretty damn interesting to hear.. But this is a computer following a set pattern( or like that lady said 'algorithm'.)
What is a spirit?
Man's arrogance is never to be underestimated. Computers are machines that follow programs. In some cases sophisticated programs, but programs nevertheless. Wonders to us to be sure but they will never be sentient. They will always follow programs. They will be slaves, robots, etc. Man is truly sentient and will one day see God. How each man is received of God depends on that man's relationship with Jesus Christ. Then will begin a never ending wonder for man, either in heaven or hell.
@3xXlovepainXx3 waddya mean?
(Me watching this at age 17 - What am I doing with
lol
Me watching this at age 35...
let's say I download my consciousness right now into a computer. Then there would be the corduroy99 in the computer and the one writing right now. Which one is me? The one in the computer will experience other things different to the one writing making both of them different with time. I the one writing will still die, the digital one which is not me will not, but what good does that do to me?
@TheForwardGaze I was thinking just that.
Corduroy99, what if the digital copy was more of a backup drive, where you nightly uploaded your newest data tot he machine... and it did not switch on until the day you died? At that point there is no original you to compete against, but a version of your 'way of thinking' would continue beyond your death. If you uploaded each night... that back up would be there to be awakened if your meat-mind was incinerated in a fiery car crash during the drive to work.
@badaboomrock And Australia is following you all the way.
Even if a digital upload is just "a copy" I would still consider it a legacy of myself carrying forward. Before anyone says 'have kids', I'm both unable and disinclined to that path... I don't consider my *genetic* heritage to be the point, but my thoughts and opinions to be. Short of potentially stifling my organic child's room for personal thoughts and development there is no guarantee of imprinting my ideas wholly onto that young individual. A digital 'copy' would be more ethical and ideal.
@TheForwardGaze My thoughts exactly.
@pokerfacecom: You are totally right. Cylons, Skynet, and God belong in the same sentence. Do you know why?
Aliens
17 year old amazes the World and uses a Computer to write sheet music. Mo, he's not the first and he didn't invent the function, he simply did it also only at age 17 and from a place in Neyw Yoork City. Can you believe that. A kid from a place like that and he already knows how to plagiarize other peoples work as though it were his own.
Wow and way to go Future Man as we look, Back,,, into your Pasttttt…. Ouwwwwooooewahhhh BTW if he's 17 in 1965 can you guess how old he is today?
@Malagraves Are we not in part prosperous because of these big corporations you want to abolish? I personally hate what corporations have become (individuals in the eyes of the law, often without consequence (LLC)),but to say they aren't big because they aren't efficient or effective and usually SERVE people in various ways is disingenuous. Most are and do. The rich being rich isn't a problem, usually what IS the problem is the laws that protect them, the favoritism shown to some over others.
@faethor7 if people came from the future, they'd already be here.
@gebregio Ahhh, what was confusing about it? I thought it was awesome.
As far as being scary, I think it is on one hand, but on the other hand WITHOUT the singularity I don't see a lot of hope for humanity. Things will definitely be very different, but I think it will be beneficial.
@ff2paladin It's almost like the show was fixed.
How would YOU get rid of corporate monopolies, through the power of the public? seize control? Use government force to steal? I want to hear what YOU would do, so that I might continue my criticism. Who are your political fav's? What is your political philosophy? What was the last book you read? The Communist Manifesto perhaps? Please do tell thinker
Ah, this is amazing...O.o What's his IQ score again? I have a Conceptual quotient...not really an intelligence quotient.
So when it comes to wiring something I tend to depend on someone else...I get the idea, ray seems to have IQ CQ PQ and SQ
so is kurzweil.
i found this video trew 2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal nice eh? anyone else?
Those were the days when you could actually fall in love with Miss America...
@pgdevil you will only understand if you try. there is no chance I could be wrong. none.
you can't just invoke a 'mind' and leave it at that. you imply that it would be the same yet you have no idea what we are. how can you then know it can be copied in the physical? of course you can't. because it can't.
you will only understand if you actually think. I know it's a radical thought but indulge me. just maybe thinking isn't so bad
No sound!
there sound, but it's only in the left channel
+Chad Kukahiko oh right, looks like I need to replace my tablet!
It's not that hard to write music. You just put in some notes on chords, like what Kurzweil's computer's piece came up with. A melody is almost just random notes.
But for the music to be a masterpiece - I don't know if his computer could do that. Perhaps completely by chance.
Still pretty impressive, though. At 17.
@Malagraves A.K.A. we are a prosperous nation who takes care of the poor and needy (and not so poor and needy on top of that), with money from the top, because we are wealthy..... So we are doing exactly what you prefer ALREADY then?
the dude who guessed it was totally in on it... theres no way someone back then would have been able to guess it and been so blase about it
Um, am I the only one who can't hear it?
ray sez he will be able to download his consciousness into a computer in the near future.
Well, that only means that A COPY of his consciousness will be in a computer but HE WILL STILL DIE!
NEEEEEEEEEEXT!
@4QBUD I ask that only so someone can actually learn something from this episode.
The show panel was so fake. With so little piece of information, there was no chance even someone with high musical knowledge knowing that piece of music was written by a computer. And the lady there had such a high IQ (unlike current miss america). It was all arranged. Nice to see Kurzweil so calm thou, he's a genius.
@agentdoubleozero We may not know that there is a god. But if so or if not, it is increasingly clear that the universe, evolution, and humanity are a mechanism to eventually produce a perfect being - God.
@spidy05 Me too.
@Malagraves I don't have the energy to be mad at you, I just felt like making a point and having some fun at the same time, but if you really think you are so far above these people intellectually, why bother responding to them? Just to get their gears working? To piss them off? That's just a form of trolling, I've probably done it too, but you do it A LOT.
he built and designed a computer using punchcards, which was based on the same design that was created in the 40's a-la Conrad Zuse and Alan Turing... isn't that called copying?
The smartest Miss America ever.
I think he is. I myself, based on the sorts of technologies I've seen, expect it maybe somewhere between the year 2015 and 2020.
I won't say what that technology is, however, because I wouldn't want some gun-toting Sarah Connor wannabe to read it. :)
@leenstl Do more research on this machine, it was not faked.
@spidy05 Me too :-)
@4QBUD: Take your foolish religious trolling elsewhere. Thinking people are having a discussion.
@faethor7 Darned Goo Backs
quite impressive at 17 and in that time period. he's no dummy. but it's interesting to note that despite significant intellect he stills gets a lot wrong. like michiu kaku. it's all part of the weird reality that is humanity and what we truly are. for neither of them have realized the quite obvious that qualia is impossible in the physical thus proof that we are spiritual beings. for what is bool pain=true; but a bit set that falls short of sensation. the marvel is really that obvious. think
haha... good man. :-)
3 people are scared of the singularity.
Haha, so true.
@Malagraves You are correct there, I have not.. While it seems like a very valid concern, where are they? Oh, that's right, in the very near future.... I do worry about bioengineering don't get me wrong, but to rely on Kurzweil's words would simply be a political scientist trying to interpret an actual scientist's work. And if it is so damned easy, who is gonna stop it? Not you or I, so why put so much stock in bio-warfare scare talk? (not saying that's what kurzweil is doing)