WORTH THE COST? Scotrail's First class put to the test Aberdeen to Glasgow. 1ST CLASS COMPARISON

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  • @nigeljohnson6069
    @nigeljohnson6069 11 місяців тому +179

    Fully agree with your assessment. To charge top dollar for fist class, and not provide a full first class service is clearly profiteering. Still blaming the pandemic is frankly pathetic. They are ripping you off.

    • @M3G4UK
      @M3G4UK 11 місяців тому +7

      It's really crap, but ultimately unsurprising as Avanti and Caledonian Sleepers use the same excuses. 😢

    • @SeanMidlandstransporthub
      @SeanMidlandstransporthub 11 місяців тому

      ​@@M3G4UKI got a full English breakfast on Avanti in first class

    • @highlandersixtysix
      @highlandersixtysix 11 місяців тому +6

      You might say 'profiteering' but I'd say 'gouging'. I took the service from Edinburgh to Perth in December last year and it was appallingly bad, there was a case of bottled water dumped upon a table and we were told to 'help ourselves', freezing cold day and not a hot drink to be had. The only benefit of 1st Class was the flexibility of the ticket.

    • @sodorflubbs5000
      @sodorflubbs5000 11 місяців тому

      No they’re not. All trains have this problem to. I travel on LNER and they don’t do the kind of meals they used to either.

    • @jonjohnson2844
      @jonjohnson2844 11 місяців тому +1

      Isn't that true of every "first class" ticket though, regardless of the mode of transport, a huge increase in price that is exponentially more profitable for the company?

  • @blackmask38
    @blackmask38 11 місяців тому +116

    Scotrail could learn a lot from LNER with regard to customer care in first class.

    • @andrewbeadle9168
      @andrewbeadle9168 11 місяців тому +4

      th on train catering is being resumed .. slowly but is happening

    • @scotbotvideos
      @scotbotvideos 11 місяців тому

      Why slowly? Why not just get on with it? ScotFail need to stop procrastinating and get the job done already. Excuses, excuses as per usual. @@andrewbeadle9168

    • @grww4056
      @grww4056 11 місяців тому +1

      But Humza Useless is continuing the ban of alcohol on all natrail trains. Sturgeon tried to order LNER around during the pandemic. They rightly told her where to go. @@andrewbeadle9168

    • @halfbakedproductions7887
      @halfbakedproductions7887 11 місяців тому +11

      @@andrewbeadle9168 LNER never actually stopped it. It was just drastically scaled back, but was always there. I was travelling during the second lockdown in late 2020 and they had a mostly full First Class service.

    • @john07973
      @john07973 11 місяців тому +4

      ​@@andrewbeadle9168 Laughable it should have resumed over a year ago

  • @martingreen331
    @martingreen331 11 місяців тому +18

    This is a generous score. No host, no selection of food and beverages, no towels in the first class lounge shower room , and a leaking toilet with a soaking floor. I would give this 3 out of 10

  • @presspound7358
    @presspound7358 11 місяців тому +20

    Since I live in Atlantic Canada, I have no business commenting ScotRail. I would… however like to say that the coastal views from this rail line are absolutely magnificent. That is one charming journey and just imagine for a moment what those vistas would have offered upon a bright summer sunny day.
    Cheers 🥂 to folks in Scotland.👍🥰🇨🇦

    • @TomCro73
      @TomCro73 11 місяців тому +3

      Some great coastal views indeed - but for spectacular, look up some scenic vlogs from the West Highland Line, and (to a lesser, yet IMHO rather more coastally spectacular) sense, the Kyle Line (Inverness to Kyle of Lochalsh). Stunning, stunning, stunning... I looked at my train driver with total jealousy!

  • @edprior2821
    @edprior2821 11 місяців тому +21

    You were much more generous with your scoring than I would have been. The value proposition for the very high price was abysmal. Lounge offering was poor, but the biggest minus was the lack of legroom which for me would be the major reason for going first class. You scored comfort high because the carriage was relatively empty, but had it not been it would have been a 1 out of 10 for me.

  • @mikestephens5622
    @mikestephens5622 11 місяців тому +10

    Well, I wouldn't pay £40 extra for those meagre wee extras. If Scotrail want our business, they have to give better customer service.Thanks for showing us the truth, Scott.
    I like that reference to Steve and Alicja in Montrose 😊

  • @bridgethuggett1052
    @bridgethuggett1052 11 місяців тому +32

    Nice nod to Steve and Alicja!

  • @halfbakedproductions7887
    @halfbakedproductions7887 11 місяців тому +11

    The other thing about LNER is thaty they actually have individual First Class seats on one side of the carriage, so you don't have to share. For whatever reason Scotrail opted to not do that.

    • @TomCro73
      @TomCro73 11 місяців тому

      Indeed, odd decision - which AFAIK reduces the seating count. Can't even blame public ownership for that decision!

    • @janettesinclair6279
      @janettesinclair6279 4 місяці тому

      Yes, those seats are brilliant - as a solo traveller I hate being squashed up with people I don't know (although sometimes it can't be avoided.)

  • @danielktdoranie
    @danielktdoranie 11 місяців тому +11

    I think your assessment was too kind, I would have scored it much lower.
    I have taken first class trains in Europe and the experience was excellent

    • @mariendorf1981
      @mariendorf1981 11 місяців тому

      Don’t bother with Deutsche Bahn. They cancel seat reservations in first class and regularly overbook… so you end up sitting on the floor in first class. It’s a disgrace. And they try everything in the book to not refund.

  • @yyyfffff33333
    @yyyfffff33333 11 місяців тому +23

    Great video Scott and I hope a lot of people take note . Scotrail symbolizes Britain in general . Give them as poor as service as you can get away with !

    • @KempSimon
      @KempSimon 11 місяців тому +7

      At the start of the Covid19 pandemic East Midlands Railway ("EMR") closed their First Class lounges "until further notice| and - guess what? - almost two years after the last restrictions were lifted, the lounges have yet to re-open!

    • @robertofraser101
      @robertofraser101 11 місяців тому +2

      ​@@KempSimon shocking all excuses too save money

    • @alanbrown3015
      @alanbrown3015 11 місяців тому

      ​@@KempSimono

  • @pbsteamatspeed7683
    @pbsteamatspeed7683 11 місяців тому +11

    Personally I like the Swiss-style face to face seating as it guarantees a window to look out of!😉 As ScotRail alone operate HSTs I would travel this route, but in standard!

  • @steve-marsh
    @steve-marsh 11 місяців тому +4

    Mate, EVERYONE in Montrose is First Class! 🤣

  • @sharrizink6516
    @sharrizink6516 11 місяців тому +4

    I've done (almost) the reverse of that trip - from Stirling to Aberdeen. The day I traveled, standard class was packed, and first was nearly empty, so just having a quiet carriage and a single seat made the first class ticket worth the price to me.

  • @colingreenwood231
    @colingreenwood231 11 місяців тому +2

    Very generous Scott. £40 for a packet of biscuits is a lot of money.

  • @carolinegreenwell9086
    @carolinegreenwell9086 11 місяців тому +3

    if I'd paid that much extra for the ticket I wouldn't be disappointed, I'd be furious

  • @IngramCars
    @IngramCars 11 місяців тому +4

    The best First Class train I've travelled on, is with LNER, London to Edinburgh, who have a fantastic menu, a good selection of drinks and snacks, the staff a smart and polite, the trains clean and comfortable. In my opinion better than Avanti, but both are better than GWR.

  • @necroslair
    @necroslair 11 місяців тому +2

    Discourage use of the showers by not providing towels. Then in the near future discontinue the showers citing lack of use. Slick way to save some money there…

  • @bganonimouse2754
    @bganonimouse2754 11 місяців тому +3

    I think you were actually quite generous. When you consider the high price its totally unacceptable that Scotrail offers such a poor first class service.

  • @nigelpendrey2815
    @nigelpendrey2815 11 місяців тому +3

    A few years ago I traveled that route, from Aberdeen to Glasgow. This was before ScotRail acquired the 125s. I bought my ticket in the ticket office, asked about 1st class travel to which the ticket office manager said that I could have it but don’t expect it to be anything like LNER. It appears that not much has changed. I travelled 2nd class…

  • @katrinabryce
    @katrinabryce 11 місяців тому +9

    You could sit in a coffee shop for a lot less than £40, so I really don't think the first class lounge makes it worth it.

    • @keithparker1346
      @keithparker1346 11 місяців тому +4

      I think part of the appeal of first class is letting it be known to others you are traveling first class

  • @damianwalls1262
    @damianwalls1262 11 місяців тому +6

    Wow that's grim you were too generous what would a tourist think of that given the great service in even standard class on European trains

  • @siobhancrawford7236
    @siobhancrawford7236 11 місяців тому +4

    So, my hack on this is to pay for a standard seat and upgrade on board the train. this costs £5 each way (Mon-Fri) and £15 at the weekends. Used the new lounge at Aberdeen and found it very unpersonal and not very well stocked . I used 1st class on a trip to Inverness not that long ago and was pleased to see a host providing hot drinks etc so it's slowly coming back x

    • @simsonie
      @simsonie 6 місяців тому

      It's £5 for Edinburgh - Glasgow but £15 for intercity routes. The day you travel doesn't matter anymore.

    • @brianmorrison9168
      @brianmorrison9168 25 днів тому

      @@simsonieis that offer on all routes? My wife and are travelling from Edinburgh to Inverness in a few months time, returning to Glasgow.

    • @simsonie
      @simsonie 25 днів тому

      @@brianmorrison9168 Edinburgh/Glasgow to and from Inverness it still works, yep. £15 per person

    • @brianmorrison9168
      @brianmorrison9168 25 днів тому +1

      @@simsonie many thanks for your reply .. that's a great tip.
      We are travelling up from Newcastle, so may in fact take the LNER direct service, leaving NCL mid afternoon which arrives in Inverness at about 8:00pm. Another alternative would be to travel to Edinburgh a little earlier on LNER,. then take Scotrail. We'll wait and see what the fares are like, when advance tickets are available.
      We are having a couple of days in Glasgow after Inverness, so that £15 trick will probably be used. Do you just ask when on the train and pay the difference ?
      Regards from Whitley Bay

    • @simsonie
      @simsonie 25 днів тому +1

      @@brianmorrison9168 yeah you just jump on in first and when the guard comes round say you want to upgrade. I wouldn't do it on a 170, just one of the proper Intercity trains (125)

  • @stuartirvine3855
    @stuartirvine3855 11 місяців тому +2

    Another good, factual and honest review video. Nice to see what I assumed to be a nod to Mr Marsh, hope to see more of your cross channel challenges soon 😃

  • @FrankC321
    @FrankC321 11 місяців тому +5

    Hi Scott, if I make to Scotland, I'd be taking that exact same trip. View of the ocean, 10 out of 10.

    • @giovanni6636
      @giovanni6636 11 місяців тому

      You’re a lunatic ( probably American) if you’re looking forward to this shit trip

  • @wizardofthenorth8352
    @wizardofthenorth8352 11 місяців тому +3

    Really interesting and looking forward to Cross Country. So they have Manchester to Birmingham route, 80 miles and charge £249 1st open return!! Half the mileage of Aberdeen to Glasgow! £1.50 a mile! Your assessment around lack of catering is bang on! All operators are trying to charge top dollar and not provide anything. Look at Avanti west coast with their Standard Premium offer. Squeezing out additional costs (as they see it) - and still have the nerve to charge £369 open RTN Manchester to London. Beggars belief! A great video looking forward to Cross Country.

  • @europa2000man
    @europa2000man 11 місяців тому +7

    Great video. In Ireland, they have only started to reintroduce a catering trolley on the Dublin Heuston to Cork services only. The only train that had it before the Cork one is the Dublin Connolly to Belfast train (The Enterprise). Trains to the likes of Galway, Waterford, Sligo and Westport still have yet to get their catering services back.

    • @gulfstream7235
      @gulfstream7235 11 місяців тому

      If it were profitable for them it would have been reintroduced a long time ago. Management, costs, unions etc is the likely cause.

    • @damianwalls1262
      @damianwalls1262 11 місяців тому

      On a service to cork or Galway I think I'd want more than a trolley

    • @europa2000man
      @europa2000man 11 місяців тому

      @@gulfstream7235 Could be the case.

    • @europa2000man
      @europa2000man 11 місяців тому

      @@damianwalls1262 I know where your coming from. I don't even think the buffet coach is open on the trains. They seem to be empty. Also, unless you are in the 1st class carriage, the trolley service only goes once up and down the train. So you may not get a trolley service at all depending on where you get on and off.

    • @damianwalls1262
      @damianwalls1262 11 місяців тому

      In this day and age it's incomprehensible. Thanks for your reply

  • @soggymoggytravels
    @soggymoggytravels 11 місяців тому +6

    Seems overpriced for what it was, but sadly that's what I've come to expect with UK rail.

  • @papabear6860
    @papabear6860 11 місяців тому +3

    Scott, your scores are far too generous! Especially for the toilet with wet floor!

  • @robertblechle6365
    @robertblechle6365 11 місяців тому +1

    Having done that route in reverse in June , restroom was clean but we got an upgrade , yes first class is nice but no value. Thanks for the work for the video. And , yea first class people live in Montross

  • @richardmurray2068
    @richardmurray2068 11 місяців тому +2

    There's an Avanti West Coast 1st Class Lounge at Glasgow Central, it's pretty basic and it's almost never open, I've turned up a few times to use it and found it's closed and had to hang around the concourse area for ages as a result

  • @paulmasterson386
    @paulmasterson386 11 місяців тому

    I was a guard for twenty years. Main reason for travelling in first class is for the peace and absence of screaming brats and the occasional drunken lout. Celebs always used to travel in first class so they didn’t get pestered.

  • @JackGillies
    @JackGillies 11 місяців тому +5

    If you compare ScotRail's intercity offering to other major rail operators in Europe like DB, SNCF and PKP in Poland just to use a few examples it is pretty poor. Retro fitted and refurbished inter city 125s which are constantly requiring maintenance or Class 150s that were more or less made redundant after Edinburgh-Glasgow mainline was electrified compared to modern high speed trains used elsewhere. Hoping holyrood really put their money where their mouths are and upgrade our railways

    • @barvdw
      @barvdw 11 місяців тому

      Most of ScotRail trips hardly qualify as long-distance, though, and you won't find any catering on a German RE or a French TER. Heck, most French regions abolished First class altogether on their TER. You need the equivalent of a WCML or ECML service to London to even experience having a café car, often not even a full dining car, and I'm not nearly as enamoured as you with what e.g. SNCF is offering in their TGVs. Small, overpriced portions, cardboard sandwiches... I wasn't overwhelmed with the refreshments trolley's offerings, I mean, come on, sugar-free Irn Bru?
      Admittedly DB does somewhat better (although the number of times I could just get coffee and snacks, because the oven was broken -again-), as are PKP, ČD or MÁV, but frankly, in many cou of similar sizes (Belgium, Denmark, the Netherlands...), catering has been abolished completely, but for some international services.

  • @matthewodwyer3615
    @matthewodwyer3615 11 місяців тому +6

    Fully agree with you. Last year I used Inter7City services First Class from Edinburgh to Aberdeen (no catering or host advertised - fair enough) and from Aberdeen to Glasgow Queen Street (which was meant to have catering and host but was not provided). Personally I think the interiors and seating are the best First Class offering in the UK but Scotrail let themselves down by using the pandemic as an excuse to still not provide a food/drink and host service to justify the uplifted price. They're on a par with South Western Railway who charge First Class Prices for a seat and no more. Unwarranted in this day and age.

    • @andrewbeadle9168
      @andrewbeadle9168 11 місяців тому

      ScotRail are still interviewing new Customer Hosts for the on train catering

    • @KempSimon
      @KempSimon 11 місяців тому

      Hear, hear! I could not agree more with what you write, especially about South Western Railway .... although GWR is just as bad!

    • @neilgwynne5158
      @neilgwynne5158 11 місяців тому

      Transport for Wales loco hauled first class is the best and they have a working buffet car as well. Scotrail first seating is pretty much there as well

  • @robbiephillipstravelsofple4790
    @robbiephillipstravelsofple4790 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the Video Scott. I am planning a trip on LNER London to Edinburgh a stay over night in Edinburgh up to Aberdeen which I was planning to do first class as I do love the HSTs and home overnight on the Caledonian Sleeper. Good luck with Cross Country!

  • @tonywinward
    @tonywinward 11 місяців тому +1

    I did first class from Inverness to Glasgow Queen Street back in January. The seats were fantastic. I loved the ride! When I was onboard though we only had cans of water to drink. Better than nothing but it could have been a lot better for first class

  • @grahamstewart615
    @grahamstewart615 11 місяців тому +1

    The first class lounge at Queen St used to be the hotel lounge next door who gave you free tea or coffee and shortbread. Obviously you could use the hotel restrooms.
    Problem with first class in Scotland is there isn’t enough people in general.
    Try First Class on a Friday or Saturday afternoon onwards going into Glasgow.
    You really can meet the buckfast regulars piling into first class.
    The ticket guard ain't risking it putting them out.
    Is it worth it.
    Not inter city in Scotland it ain’t.
    Basically you're being overcharged for a seat.
    Nothing else.

  • @paulj676
    @paulj676 11 місяців тому +3

    Thanks for another great video Scott. It's a shame they're using what look like nicely refurbished HSTs without the service we would expect with the ticket price.

  • @thomascook578
    @thomascook578 11 місяців тому

    With the exception of the carpet, the seats are from the trains days of First Great Western

  • @bradwhiteuk
    @bradwhiteuk 11 місяців тому +3

    Enjoyed the video! I don't think you got your money's worth for the £40 extra there. The seats did look very comfortable and the lounge was nice, but that was about it.

  • @leehutchisonuk
    @leehutchisonuk 11 місяців тому +1

    it's very easy (allegedly) to just walk into the scotrail first class which is nearly always empty and just grab some canned water and shortbread to take back to your seat in standard.

  • @westerleighwerek1493
    @westerleighwerek1493 5 місяців тому

    125 (HST) best train left on the network for ride/comfort and 45 years old! I did Bristol to Edinburgh whilst Cross Country had 125's and had plenty of snacks/drinks in first class.

  • @stevecooksley
    @stevecooksley 11 місяців тому +1

    I recognise those seats from their GWR days - very comfy, but I would not be happy with no tea/coffee facilities onboard. I'm going to bet that Scotrail will scrap first class in the future the same way Southeastern did down here.

  • @walterfillingham
    @walterfillingham 11 місяців тому +2

    I know ScotRail have been actively recruiting people to work the onboard hospitality certainly here in Inverness, I would have applied myself, but was too late. Without the onboard hospitality First Class not worth it, by comparison if travelling say from Inverness to Edinburgh I definitely choose LNER as it comes with proper hot fresh meals (breakfast on way down, dinner on way up) loads of snacks and plenty of drinks and teas and coffee. Inverness station desperately needs a First Class lounge, such a busy station and just one tiny cold waiting room.

    • @thomascook578
      @thomascook578 11 місяців тому

      Keep an eye on the external vacancies, catering jobs will probably appear again

  • @JurgenADV
    @JurgenADV 11 місяців тому

    Not sure this is the Scott style I like - other than the honesty. I do appreciate Scott’s integrity.

  • @Sim0nTrains
    @Sim0nTrains 11 місяців тому +4

    Very disappointing but I've see worse 1st Class services, South Western Railway springs to mind as their first class on a Class 450 Desiro only has eight seats (2 4 table seats) and that it. But to be fair, less first class is a good thing as there more standard class seats as those trains can be extremely busy out of London Waterloo.

    • @s125ish
      @s125ish 11 місяців тому

      I remember SWT had catering.

  • @DaveyPalmer1
    @DaveyPalmer1 11 місяців тому

    That was a first class review Scott....I'll get my coat. And loved that reference to Steve & Alicja 👍

  • @roseogrady8785
    @roseogrady8785 11 місяців тому

    In agreement.

  • @onlycompetitions5083
    @onlycompetitions5083 11 місяців тому +2

    Another good show there Scott, however your scoring was (in my opinion) over generous. As a first class service, this was a disgrace.

  • @Laticity
    @Laticity 11 місяців тому

    100% fair review. Funny enough, had this conversation last night. Travel south from Inverness frequently and unfortunately I do avoid the Scotrail service where possible. Look, it's going to be tough when compared to the britain-wide operators but it's still poor. That said, they look great and well, riding an HST is riding an HST!
    Take the Aberdeen lounge out the equation and it deserves a worse score.

  • @kennethbell54
    @kennethbell54 11 місяців тому

    At least the windows looked clean Scott

  • @sydshrimp
    @sydshrimp 11 місяців тому +1

    Re Aberdeen 1st Class Lounge Room: "There is a buzzer entrance system where you show your ticket to a camera to gain access, or you can push open the door as it is unlocked!" Hilarious! Not exactly worth paying the extra 40 pounds.

  • @Clivestravelandtrains
    @Clivestravelandtrains 11 місяців тому +2

    Interesting video Scott. I think, living in Scotland, we are a bit spoilt by the LNER and Avanti first class service. In the summer I used a First Class Interrail ticket to go to France via London and Portsmouth. The First Class offering by South Western Railway (London to Portsmouth and back) was simply a slightly bigger seat in a very small area at the end of the train, with absolutely no catering nor service of any sort whatsoever. No lounge at either London Waterloo or Portsmouth Harbour - in fact Portsmouth was quite run-down and depressing.
    Regarding ScotRail, like you, I am amazed that they can still use the Lock-downs as an excuse for inferior service - but they are not unique in that respect. Many other outfits, such as the gym I go to, reduced the level of service due to Covid with no intention of ever going back to the former levels.
    There are First Class lounges at both Edinburgh Waverley and Glasgow Central, and although they are operated by LNER/Avanti respectively, you can use them with any sort of first class ticket. The Avanti one at Glasgow Central is often closed due to "staff shortages" which is becoming a synonym for "parsimonious mangement"!

  • @darapixie
    @darapixie 11 місяців тому

    I live in Ireland but love your content, I want to go to Inverness on the sleeper train from Holyhead next year. I lived in Livingston for a time when I was 18/19 and never got to venture further than Edinburgh. Love your videos as they are inspiring!

  • @SeanMidlandstransporthub
    @SeanMidlandstransporthub 11 місяців тому +1

    Great video Scott, I did Edinburgh to Aberdeen in first class with my railcard and it cost me £19.89 single. I wouldn't say it's worth it though other than the seats being a lot more comfortable. I was able to use the first class lounge on arrival to Aberdeen

  • @ScottishT
    @ScottishT 11 місяців тому

    Get this man a statue at the Scottish parliament

  • @waynehorton8894
    @waynehorton8894 11 місяців тому +1

    The reduced first class experience is far to common now, it feels like it’s simply about saving some expenditure whilst still charging for the full service, Avanti are extremely guilty of this, I’ve been on so many of their trains where a meal becomes a sandwich and a bag of crisps……

  • @robertofraser101
    @robertofraser101 11 місяців тому

    Lovley lounge in aberdeen station what a outlook before journey i just love 125s and the decor in 1st is lovley but as you say scott that only some you tubers from montrose can afford it 😊😊 nice one scott loved seeing the 125s again enjoyed thanks

  • @kennethhume8628
    @kennethhume8628 10 місяців тому

    Top work .

  • @Andrewjg_89
    @Andrewjg_89 11 місяців тому

    The ScotRail Class 43 Inter7City HSTs shouldn’t be replaced or ScotRail to get rid of them as they are still the best. And most definitely the most reliable diesel trains that were built in the UK back in 1970s. I do like the Inter7City livery on them.

  • @TheROLLER1953
    @TheROLLER1953 11 місяців тому +1

    Spanish trains seem to be the euro - leader for overall purpose.

  • @mrsausauge
    @mrsausauge 11 місяців тому +1

    I believe you can upgrade to first class on board for substantially less, I believe its around 10 pounds.

  • @andyhughes5885
    @andyhughes5885 11 місяців тому

    You were very generous with your points for the flooded toilet. What if you needed to sit down, your trousers would have been soaking wet. II`d have given that a 0, especially with the ticket price you paid.

  • @paulharvey9149
    @paulharvey9149 11 місяців тому +1

    The rail industry could really use a set of minimum standards that people who choose 1st or Business Class (or whatever else they might call it), might expect - and a compensation scheme payable when an operator fails to meet these standards. I have long thought that ScotRail 1st class is severely lacking, especially when you consider that apart from the 2+1 seating arrangement, the first class areas in the class 170 Turbostar DMU's isn't even fully screened off nor soundproofed from the invariably overcrowded adjacent vestibule, in any way; and that the mere existence of even the paltry offer of tea or coffee and biscuits depends upon there being a suitably stocked trolley service available. This certainly isn't worth the premuim fares - especially as you even have to queue for the same inadequate toilets as other passengers. Indeed, I'd almost go as far as say that operators like Scotrail should have all their accommodation downgraded to standard class if they persist in not meeting such minimum standards.

  • @cannyexplorer5357
    @cannyexplorer5357 11 місяців тому

    Hope you do do the cross country one, as it’s one we would like to try.

  • @Ian-Steele
    @Ian-Steele 11 місяців тому

    I like the little comment about some First Class people living in Montrose. I wonder who that was referring to Steve or Alicja perhaps 😂 !

  • @douglaslockhart1617
    @douglaslockhart1617 11 місяців тому

    Great video let's have more please Steve is in wales like you he is a legend

  • @TheJamster2006
    @TheJamster2006 11 місяців тому

    I believe even with hospitality all you get complimentary in first class is one bottle of water and a biscuit, perhaps a tea or coffee aswell. And they make sure you only get one serving. They really miss a trick on these trains as there is a buffet which could house a microwave or toasty machine so they could offer hot food to the entire train aswell as having a trolley onboard

  • @trainsarecool190
    @trainsarecool190 10 місяців тому

    In the past few years I have only been on one scotrail train with catering and I have never seen the snack car open on their HSTs

  • @Michael75579
    @Michael75579 11 місяців тому

    I've never used ScotRail's first class service, and based on this I never will: for that sort of premium on standard class I expect something special and this looked like it didn't even come close. The longest train journeys I do with any regularity are Edinburgh/London and even then I only bother with 1st class if I can get a cheap upgrade or, as occasionally happens, some weird quirk of the ticketing system means I can get 1st class cheaper than standard.

  • @rickreid8572
    @rickreid8572 2 місяці тому

    Old GWR stock. Shocking lounge and shocking 'hospitality'.

  • @andrewgalt3964
    @andrewgalt3964 11 місяців тому

    Good of you to highlight the difference between
    1st and 2nd on this route a total waste of money for First ❤

  • @iank6090
    @iank6090 11 місяців тому

    I am taking the train next month to Aberdeen and was going to book a First Class ticket. Based on this I will not, and save myself £40. Thanks Scott!

  • @custardo
    @custardo 11 місяців тому

    How different from Avanti West Coast. Had a great experience with them.That said I'm not a person that uses lounges...

  • @mikethirlby383
    @mikethirlby383 11 місяців тому +10

    Your far too generous! For the price all you really got was an overpriced train ride.

  • @chrismckellar9350
    @chrismckellar9350 11 місяців тому +1

    I am curious what Scotrail comments were to your constructive feedback on their 1st Class product.

  • @peterlockhart8997
    @peterlockhart8997 11 місяців тому

    Totally agree. The seats looked good but the service was non existent. Yeah, I'd pay a bit extra for the seat but not that whopping £40 difference, no chance. Maybe at most a £10 difference

  • @leonb2637
    @leonb2637 11 місяців тому +6

    Is 1st class worth the cost on this journey. Nope. You could take the extra 30 for a nice dinner with wine at your destination.

  • @kevanhubbard9673
    @kevanhubbard9673 11 місяців тому

    You don't say if LNER and Cross Country 1st class passengers can also use the lounge but I suppose if the doors unlocked anyone can!Those seats are the same one's that Great Western installed a few years before they started getting rid of their HST's.Towels would generally only be required by the Cal Sleeper arriving passengers so maybe someone comes in the morning and puts some in the shower?

  • @leejon8716
    @leejon8716 11 місяців тому

    need these videos to be longer scott

  • @paulmasterson386
    @paulmasterson386 11 місяців тому

    Railway ticket revenue is split between operators based on how many seats they provide. Therefore if scotrail provides 50% of the seats it gets 50% of the revenue even if 100% of the passengers choose to travel with LNER. Hence the dismal first class service. Why bother if you get half the revenue anyway.

  • @berliner965
    @berliner965 11 місяців тому

    Really poor that ScotRail have all the facilities in the HST to offer a full buy on board or hot meal service but are still choosing not to on long routes to Inverness and Aberdeen. Even worse that the pandemic is still to blame when other train companies returned to normal catering long ago. To not even offer a trolley service on Edinburgh to Glasgow, yet offer a first class cabin on that route is also bizarre.

  • @davidboyle7064
    @davidboyle7064 11 місяців тому

    Haha 6:12 I know who you are referring to there (Marsh!!!)

  • @boozytortoise
    @boozytortoise 11 місяців тому

    You can upgrade onboard to first class for 15. A lot cheaper but you probably can't use the first class lounge

  • @scottishtrainspotter7209
    @scottishtrainspotter7209 11 місяців тому

    I just think it would be great if Scotrail Does a few more of their own lounge at the likes of Inverness, Aberdeen and Glasgow, unless they can learn from LNER with their first class lounge. I think it's nice that there's one in Aberdeen, which I did passed buy it back in July.

  • @stefanwerdekker
    @stefanwerdekker 11 місяців тому

    Having travelled in first class in the UK a few months ago I would give full marks to LNER and zero to Northern. The 'experience' in Transpennine was lackluster and the same goes for CrossCountry. This time we did not travel with GWR, but a couple of years ago they were on par with LNER. The Scotrail "product" (hahaha) was extremely minimal, and I'm being kind...

  • @R_5_D
    @R_5_D 10 місяців тому

    I've never liked the idea of sitting in a g;ass box with everyone looking directly at you as they check the main departure board.

  • @jameswarnock3125
    @jameswarnock3125 11 місяців тому

    . Agree ScotRail lot to learn about 1st class offering. But it’s state owned and not sure I’m happy for my taxes to pay for a towel! However if you offer shower facilities then you should provide towels. Agree added cost for 1st class not great value as the £8 offering would have been just as good. The lack of 1st class passengers a step for a hint as to what Joe Public thinks maybe?

  • @egpx
    @egpx 11 місяців тому +2

    A bit underwhelming really. I love the fact that Scotrail are using refurbished IC125 trains, they are too iconic to be scrapped and ride just as well, if not better, than the new trains that are replacing them in England. The First Class experience does not match the quality of the train. I’d personally save my cash and go Second Class.

    • @borderlands6606
      @borderlands6606 11 місяців тому +1

      This mirrors the A4 Pacifics sent to the same route, after they'd been replaced south of the border. The older train was superior to its successor.

  • @parkerpaulj
    @parkerpaulj Місяць тому

    Proper seats in first class on Aberdeen to Glasgow run.

  • @colinlambert882
    @colinlambert882 11 місяців тому

    The only thing missing from his complementary first class service was a hot drink. the water and the shortbreads were available on board. Catering is for everyone and you pay for the service if it happens to be on your train so the only thing he missed was a free hot drink Yes, the cheapest standard class advance ticket is £8.90 WITH a Railcard. His first class fare of £48.90 was undiscounted. With a seniors or disabled railcard it would be £32.25, so the difference between the fares would be £23.35. Still a big difference, but nothing like the £40 he quoted. Even better would be to buy an £8.90 ticket and pay the conductor £15 on board, as there were only five occupied seats out of 32 in first class - making a grand total of just £23.90 - with or without catering that’s a good price. What is shocking is that there is no disabled accommodation or toilets available in first class. For a state-run railway that is truly shocking.

  • @MrScootmcg
    @MrScootmcg Місяць тому

    Scotrail's IC7 services are the best advertisement for Stagecoach and others you will see. Expensive, worn out unreliable HSTs and minimal hospitality.

  • @davidpring9108
    @davidpring9108 11 місяців тому +1

    These trains are not much different from when they finished their careers with GWR - Formally First Great Western... I miss those first class seats! My usual seat between Bristol Parkway and London Paddington

  • @alanyearsley9731
    @alanyearsley9731 7 місяців тому

    How about a ScotRail Class 170 DMU and Class 385 EMU First Class review? The 385s are on the Glasgow Queen Street-Falkirk-Edinburgh route.

  • @Glenn1967ful
    @Glenn1967ful 6 місяців тому

    An extra £40 for a leather seat, no thanks, unless there was the sort of First Class treatment you get on a journey like Newcastle to London, which is a similar length. I'd expect on the Scotrail First Class at the very least, a steward serving complementary alcoholic and non alcoholic drinks and a light meal or Subway type baguettes. OTOH I was at Glasgow Central last week and compared with some of the English TOCs, all but one train was on time and there were no cancellations, so Scotrail are better than down here and no strikes.

  • @RoughEdges-o8z
    @RoughEdges-o8z 11 місяців тому

    Scott the typo in the title!!! Argh its doing my noggin in! Great vid as always though, keep up the great work.

    • @scotbotvideos
      @scotbotvideos 11 місяців тому

      Yeah, it should be an 'f' in Scotrail, right? As in Scotfail.
      Did you mean something else per chance? ;)

    • @RoughEdges-o8z
      @RoughEdges-o8z 11 місяців тому

      ​@@scotbotvideosbewteen! Argh.😂

  • @trb10
    @trb10 11 місяців тому

    These are old refurbished GWR carriages, way better than the awful carriages they have now!

  • @helencolgan8580
    @helencolgan8580 11 місяців тому

    Hi Scott, have you heard about the new service from Edinburgh to London, think it’s called Lumo?

  • @thenorthspotter
    @thenorthspotter 11 місяців тому

    When I tried first class from Perth to Aberdeen, there even wasn’t a ticket check!

  • @bobbythomas200420032
    @bobbythomas200420032 11 місяців тому

    Hi a great video and I would personally travelled standard class. The price of first class is not worth the money if you are not getting the full first class experience. First class would not be worth the extra money.

  • @jackdubz4247
    @jackdubz4247 11 місяців тому

    The point of first class is that you get the satisfaction of knowing that you earn enough to be able to afford a train ticket that guarantees that you will not have to rub shoulders with the unwashed plebs. It's a Snobs' Premium.