I was sparring with the only other person in the gym and learned their cup was actually a molotov cocktail so I jumped over their head and countered with a down-down-right- Y
I've definitely heard similar myths. A kenpo person told me (and I absolutely believed) that TKD's very high kicks were meant to kick people off horses. Great video, Ramsey. We definitely need to consistently examine our own biases and the things we hear.
I first heard the myth like this: Northern Chinese martial arts were tuned to kick cavalrymen off their horses whereas Southern Chinese martial arts were tuned for street fights in tight alleys. It's still dumb, but it's funny to imagine a version of Mulan where 2/3 of the training scenes are box jumps.
Nothing to do with flying kicks on cavalry men. Northern Kicks, Southern Fists was developed simply because of the geographical contexts. The South is full of dense forests, wet river deltas, and hilly terrain. Its cities are densely packed, and there are a lot of river boats and ships. In terrain like this, it's not very balanced and you not be kicking a lot. The North and the Central Plains are... well... plains. With flat ground and abundant space, where the terrain isn't comprising your balance and footing, kicks are a lot more viable. This is also why you find that Southern Arts, in Asia even outside China, generally speaking focuses on shorter range and also the clinch, while most wrestling traditions come from the Plains and Steppes such as Mongolian and Tajik Wrestling. You aren't gonna get much done wrestling on the jungle floor. On the flat plains and steppes however, it's the opposite.
I think the kicks were done by the horseman, not the footman. You got the hands holding on to the reins or a weapon, so the only free limb to attack up close are the legs. They can also kick going to and from the horse, you can see demonstrations of this sort of acrobatic moves in rodeos, or even dating back to the acrobats the Minoan bull riders did. These types of kicks makes sense when being pursued while trying to get to your horse, or any similar situations.
I find this even funnier because Karate wasn't even alive in mainland Japan at the time Samurai fought. For real, Karate is waaay later. (and its precursor was okinawan, which wasn't part of Japan for most of the Samurai's existence)
One thing though, Samurai did invade Ryu Kyu Kingdom, all the way to shuri castle, well before Okinawa was a prefecture of Japan. So they did have conflict with samurai. With that said, there would be no reason a karate ka would be unarmed, karate never meant empty hand, until the 1900's, when it was introduced to mainland Japan
@@illogicalmethod The Ryukyu Kingdom was conquered by the Shimazu in 1609. The Sengoku Jidai, the main period of samurai warfare, ended in 1615. It was too late for any changes to samurai warfare to occur.
@@ThejollyFrenchman I think the statement I was making was lost in "translation". With that said, Uchinaanchu were well aware of samurai, centuried before the invasion. That's the only other thing I'll say, regarding my heritage.
I love spamming things when sparring students too. Besides being extremely fun it gives them an opportunity to predict what you'll do and counter. Sometimes I'll straight up run at my boy to see if he payed any attention to my instructions on angle shifts.
@@jacobfoerster6979 Leave you religious thinking at home. What he said was both funny and sadly true. It is history (all aggressors say they do what they do - all sort of evil, not because they are evil, but they are there to "help").
@@jacobfoerster6979 its popularised from Hong Kong kung fu movies about the period of time in china when the foreigners were taking over and puppeting china as a whole and in parts too.
I've also heard this story, but it was from a taekwondo teacher. I know that taekwondo teams can get a ton of air. But as someone who's been around horses, once they are at even a trot, it's hard to keep up with them on the ground. Once they get up to a lope or a canter, (not even gallop yet) there's no keeping up. Add that to the chaos of the historical battle field, and there wouldn't be much chance of taking a rider down from the saddle on foot with a flying side kick. I guess if you add gurilla warfare, like a jungle/forest setting, or an urban setting, I could see a guy jumping from a tree branch or a rooftop and taking the rider down that way? But only if the horse is standing still and the rider is oblivious to his surroundings. Even then the horse could hear the guy coming and spook.
Today I fought my first amateur fight. I lost , even tough I threw more combinations. My lack of comfort was obvious . I cannot wait for my eleventh fight , which wont suck , hopefully.
Its normal that you was wild , you did not really lose anything it’s the jury you had a great battle and it was very close . Your next fight wil be a lot more calm . I enjoyed your fight , bleu Corner !
Well, Ramsay what you forgot to account for is the secret ninjutsu training elevates one's vertical to approximately 10 feet, so a six-foot flying side kick is really no issue for someone trained in the art of ninjutsu.
Good stuff . Kid from our gym pulled a beautiful spinning flying side kick in the youth MMA IMMAF tournament in Bulgaria recently . He didn’t get the win , but he got the coolest pic ever of it mid flight from the official photographer ..
Good video! To assume that a random peasent could fly a kick a samurai from horseback unarmed is crazy lol, the reason why horses were used by the elite warriors throughout the world is not coincidence.
And the fact that the elite continued to remain elite, as well as the fact that the only peasant rebellions that succeeded either used extensive asymmetric warfare or had the resources to wage full-scale conventional warfare is also evidence of the fact that flying kicks against mounted soldiers would achieve less than nothing: if it was that easily countered, it would not be used, and certainly not for that long.
@@grailknight6794 Could you imagine how the cavalryman would laugh at the flying sidekicking karateka if his horse suddenly reared up to kick the karateka before the karateka's kick landed?
Did you guys see that weigh-in where the man shoved his opponent and injured the man's neck? Miyamoto Musashi talks about a way of slamming your whole body into your opponent, using your shoulder, in a way that occasionally could even kill them. Bare with me. That man shoving his opponent injured his neck, which could have been more severe...that was just a shove. Think of two samurai warriors in armor; in a bind with their swords, one samurai slams his body into the other. The weight of all his armor, slamming into the enemy. The enemy wearing armor of his own and nearly a 10lb helmet, having his head snap forward. When I saw that an unarmored shove, using mostly arm strength, could easily cause a neck injury; it made me realise how a full body shoulder slam, from an armored samurai, could sometimes kill. Just like the trained killer and mixed martial artist, Miyamoto Musashi had said
I feel like everyone who has played something like Total War would know that cavalry beats out infantry every time 😅 unless the foot soldiers are wielding spears, pikes, pointy long sticks, etc... 🤘 Anyways, flying side kicks are cool, but I can't imagine anyone believing this would work against an armored opponent on a horse.
I took Tang Soo Do for 6 years and my Sa Bum Nim told me that the flying side kick was to knock people off horses...thank you for this video I've been fed a lie by a well meaning good man who also was. Because, of people like you; I have 2 black belts now I am taking western boxing, because I want to actually learn how to fight. Keep doing what you're doing, because I believed this myth until I saw this video.
160cm warrior is absolutely tiny compared to me... (I'm nearly half a meter taller, or 7ft in total) It took me a while to realise it, but tatami started out originally as a bed. A small person can sleep on a single tatami. I however need 3! This means that there is absolutely no way for me to sleep on them without having to lie over a hard edge.
The book I read in preparation for my orange karate belt even claimed, that the Okinawans would strategically place ramps in their villages to negate the altitude difference and flying side kick their samurai opressors from their horses. At the time I believed it lmao, but as I became older it dawned on me, that this idea is not only wrong but outright hilarious.
Actually I believe that this myth comes from TKD, that's how the Koreans in the 80s reasoned when describing the purpose behind their flying and 360 degree kicks xD
I remember watching these old Karate tournaments when I was a kid and small guys winning buy flying sidekicks to much bigger guys. Knocking them over outside of the circle. I thought this was really cool but in retrospect they were just knocking a guy over who was already high up on his toes. Not really hurting them usually, but still a cool useful move
Sword fighting (most warriors used spears but swords did come out and not all fighting was in formation) actually involved some wrestling and even strikes. Watch fencing instructor Matt Easton, he oblique and front kicks in a sword fight
i love it when you transform into a COMEDIAN..it feels like,you feel good,and having a good time!!(it feels like you never left COMFORT ZONE,thats why its soooo good)a fighter and Comedian=a genius ;)LG Roman from Austria..:)
A couple months ago I bought my first electric car - the VW ID.4 !!! Yay! My first pic with it is me doing an awesome flying side kick. It's awesome. And at age 61, I can still get 5 feet into the air. I got a lot of use out of it in my tang too do days in the early 80's. There was a girl, very competitive, and she would spar with the guys really hard, and it got her a reputation for being a really mean fighter. Her achilles heel was when I would unexpectedly launch a flying side kick, she would freeze, not knowing how to handle it at that moment. Other than that, she was a tough one.
Hey Ramsey like yourself I trained Tae Kwon do. Early on I learned about the flying sidekick and the humble brave warrior using his Indomitable Spirit to knock the invading mounted and armed Samurai off his horse. When training in the Dojang got tough I thought of that pure in heart TKD'r driving the blade of his foot through the ribs of the ne'er-do-well. Oh well Ramsey! Happily we were also taught about in the beginning martial artists were the police. Righting wrongs, protecting innocent people and helping wherever they could. I see The Guardian Angels and Curtis Sliwa upholding that tradition going back to the early 70's and continuing to this day.
Oah and interesting how this rumour has circulated. I heard someone repeat to me when I was a kid that it was Taikwando kicks that were developed for use against cavalry. But yes.. this is dumb.
The flying sidekick used in the street would go for the knees!!! It is called the Vietnamese sidekick ,got it from a book called complete kicking!! Thanks for the video RAM!!!
I had a sidekick once. Because I always had a pouch of tools on me, I named myself 'toolman' and my short friend and sidekick was 'offcut' and we would right wrongs and fix small domestic repairs.
Awesome Video Ramsey Dewey. That flying side kick to close the distance is really interesting. Im definitely gonna start training flying sidekicks now.
I heard this myth too. Then I researched karate historically and discovered there are no flying side kicks until the late 40s / early 50s. A little late for samurai battles.
People that go on about easily defeating armed opponents with their hand likely never fought with a weapons sport and a hand to hand sport let alone against someone on a horse.
I'm glad I got this wake up call early in life. Me and my cousin was messing around, where I would try to use martial arts to stop him, who has a fake knife comb. He didn't throw out the knife like in a typical martial arts demo - he went full shiv mode with quick repeated stabbings to the gut, and this made me realize how difficult it can be to defend against actual knife attacks by someone who really wants to kill you. In that theoretical matchup we had, even if I land a couple of good hits that can bring him down, my internal organs would have been swiss cheese at that point. It's also the reason why I started carrying nunchakus on me to school all the time - kids at school would carry knives and icepicks, and the nunchaku outranges them.
@@sukotsutoCSSR Sounds like a rough school. I did HEMA and boxing and Judo and rode horses so I wouldn't even think its a good idea to fight bare fisted an armoured warrior on a horse lol.
This feels like a game theory episode, I love it 😂😂😂 Nice to see Xiao happy about a striking video but seemed so betrayed when the grappling started halfway through 😂
Haha awesome analysis at the beginning. I actually heard that myth but with a jumping hooking kick. The flying side kick you show would work, but for chasing squirrely guys that run away I think the sliding side kick is even more effective because it is deceptive and you can defend better. So its like the kick you did but you slide one foot on the ground, not sure if you have seen those. My favourite use of flying side kick is to use it on a counter for someone my weight or lighter that is charging straight at me. I jump straight up and kick them, and use their impact to move my body backwards in the air before landing.
Okay guys so I ran the numbers and at most the karateke will generate 305 newtons of force while the samurai and horse will generate 4000 newtons of force on the lower end. So I guess Ramsey's right
have you ever heard of cow tipping? I wonder if the idea was to put lateral vectors on the horse to use its own weight to knock it over. Then you wouldnt need to jump high, or fight the force of the horse. A medieval T-bone wreck if you will.
I like side kicks, I practice it a lot, but not flying side kicks. I do practice nidan geri though, which is similar to the flying knee you showed. As far as the stories about incredible martial arts feats like kicking a guy off a horse, I've heard tons of stories like that. The first kata I learned was Sanchin, and we used to hear tons of wild stories about it, like that you could make your abdominal muscles so strong that you could hold a rice bowl with just your stomach muscles and five strong men wouldn't be able to pull it off! I don't know if I ever really believed it, but it definitely made me want to grip my stomach muscles really tight when my sensei would come to test my form.
Last time I saw a dude throw a flying side kick, it was aimed at a friend of mine who was walking beside me. My friend caught the kicking leg mid-air and slammed the dude into the wall. It was one of the most beautiful things I’d ever seen. I walked away so I didn’t have to help them fix the wall.
I feel like Chao is a custom character where all his points were put into bants 😂 that dude is hilarious. Btw.. the reminder you asked for: Can you do the video about how to squeeze all the air out of your man like an accordion using top pressure.
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 It was highly effective, and for a long time the Mongols didn't know how to deal with their ferocity, and the invasion was stopped. But then they quickly invented the bow and learned how to shoot the Koreans mid-air before they could connect, and their invasion continued.
I heard a similar myth from a fellow Taekwondo practitioner, apparently her instructor told her the Back Kick is sometimes called the Horse Kick because it was used to kick people off horses. The standing back kick. First I was confused, and after a short while more and more images about this were popping in my head and I kept laughing for a long while.
4ft of vertical jump in the NBA is very rare, they measure it in inches an that's 48", only once in history that mark was registered. Michael Jordan's was 46" for example. Having a 40" vertical jump in the NBA is already considered elite level, 48" is inhuman for the NBA.
If a jumping knee works a jumping kick would be ok if you time that .. but I think we should not jump or step to get the fastest and the hardest side kick .and the kick I am taking about should be used when a guy comes at you , chasing is a waste of energy yeah 👍thanks great video .
Most pictures showing guys throwing side kicks with their legs extended before hitting the target, that's probably for a nice picture but such kicks are incorrect. You should just cock your leg while flying and extend it (throw it out) when near the target to maximize the impact. The perfect timing is when your foot hits the target, your leg is not fully extended but like 95% extended. The remaining 5% is to send your foot through the target.
you said pony, and i just thought to myself, samurai armed with a bayonet riding on magical unicorns charging into war. shouting "Friendship is Magic!". XD The idea of someone being able to kick a samurai off of a horse is pure fantasy out of a movie. Those people forgot that samurai wielded swords, spears, bows, and even guns. Also, they could have trained the horse to trample people. So jumping would be really dumb. You'd end up getting headbutted by the horse and stomped out like a fire. and if it's from the side of the horse... how'd you get there in the first place?
remsy greatins from serbia! in less 30 years serbian men often fight against police in streets rallys. they use flying side kick to police shilds to try break police lines. just an idea. love your videos i learn a lot from you. good health to you.
The jumping kick! This reminds me of a very old arcade game, The Danger-Sen'Sei: Killer Instinct™ by RareWare 🙂 I would enjoy seeing your feedback on the speed and quantity of Ultra Combinations
Answer is simply to not try jumping up, but jumping down or at the same level... From example from a tree / an earth 'pile' / stone wall / roof bordering the road. Very practical ambush basics... Myths are good because they give ideas and motivation to prove something right/wrong when training BTW. Jumping on a horsemen is very basic fighting if you have nothing but a short sharp stick.. You can't escape as a rule, you will get pierced or slashed if you don't go to grappling range. The end. Do your prayers, jump on him and stick it in his neck. Always better to drop a big rock/stone on his head tho.. in the dark.
They connected their bo and jo staffs with a little known weapon (of war) called the schmoe. This enabled them to vault to the height of a horseman. But I'm pretty sure taking both feet off the ground at the same time is always a bad idea.
Coach Ramsey, since you have a background in modern dance if you had to make a musical with martial arts UA-camrs let’s say of a Disney film who would you cast and why? I just thought since Hard2hurt recently did a troom video and wore a red wig how would he do as Anna from from Frozen? With grandmaster Jessie of Mexican MMA as the Villain or Olaf i’m not sure yet...
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 ah yes the battle of Ochinchin and Chitsu two of the greatest oppositions. They really filled in those Chitsu the Ochinchins did right up into the climax of battle.
@@HarryToeface I hear the leader of the fighting style Manko Ryu the Chitsu employed cried bitter white tears afterwards. Let's stop lol, I feel increasingly stupid writing this horseshit.
One thing that you didn't mention that would also support your argument is that if the karateka is attacking from the front, their jum would have to clear the horses head and their kick would have to have enough force not only to push the very heavy armored samurai but also to exceed all of the friction on the horses back and any of the binds holding the saddle in place. If they were attacking from the side, the torque of their kick would be counteracted by the torque of the samurai's leg on the opposite side of the horse. from the side, the only way to knock him off would be if your kick was so powerful that it could take his entire leg off or powerful enough to knock over both the rider and the horse.
I am no martial artist. I was wondering, while being taken down in a grappling move in MMA, is it really possible to use that motion to throw the top opponent off using some judo technique shown in the Mifune video?
There are a lot motions shown in the videos of Kyozo Mifune. Is it possible to get a reversal off a takedown? Yes, of course. It happens all the time. Can most people make it look at as cool and smooth as Mifune? No.
I never heard the Japanese version. The version I heard was in China. In modern practice, I’ve used jumping kicks, front, side, round house, spinning and turning back kicks with success, but would never try it on the outside with shoes and over concrete. In sparring though? I did it many times.
Fun fact : the flying side kick is one of the most easy punishable move in video game on a high level of esport, usually it s must be perfectlly timed to get an overhead advantage, but it depends of the match up, the hit boxes and the priority of the attacks. So even if it works with a better success ratio on beginer difficulties or against inexperimented playes. So even in most of Versus fighting game, the flying kick sn't working well. Amusing, no ?
I am not sure if its accurate but I heard the average height was 5 foot 5 for the average person in Japan in the era but the average samurai were taller due to being better fed and maybe due to genetics at around 5 foot 7 with some short people and some tall people too like the famous swordsman Musashi at around 180 metres.
Pretty sure that's 180 cm... 180m would definitely explain how he won every sword fight, but I think he would be remembered for his height more than his skill with the sword. With that kind of a height, he might even be able to realistically use that sword defense floating around on UA-cam where you carry a log with you and when someone draws their sword, you hit them in the head with the log.
@@killfacebalor2474 I remember one of his rivals was a similar height slightly shorter and he still did impressive things like fighting an entire sword school of over 20 people with swords trying to kill him at once. If the average samurai was 170 cm then a few taller ones would be like 175cm which would be able to take on a 180cm. So yes while him being pretty big for medieval Japan or most of the world at the time and his did help a lot his skill helped a huge amount too. Despite being big he did badly in his first battle before he trained to improve.
@@TaijDevon it depends on exactly when in time, but copies of Portuguese matchlock guns (teppo) were very effective in medieval Japan. Musashi even references them in the book of five rings.
@@kevingooley9628 While a duelist, Musashi seems a reliable authority on Japanese killing methods. I can't think of anybody with that kind of kill record until Gunnery Sgt Hathcock in Vietnam.
Just imagine to run at full speed against a charging horse and jump off the first floor into the riders face with the sensitive part of your foot smashing into the rim of his helmet and hopefully you'll manage to land on one foot rather than on your head... sounds like a trip to the hospital to me... BTW: for some reason, this flying kick is utterly impossible for me. I can do a flying knee, but for some reason, I cannot expand my legs in air. My muscles cramp up the moment I try to straighten my leg in a horizontal direction.
I largely agree with you, but you obviously don’t have to hit the guy in the head, or did I miss something? I think that your better arguments for why it wasn’t used to dismount cavalry wasn’t the vertical jump requirements, it was pointing out that weapons were posed too big of a risk and grappling was safer and more realistic.
@@RamseyDewey ua-cam.com/video/MQAVbwUTaYU/v-deo.html Please go to min 22. In the same video he is also mentioning the myth of the karate masters of yore having their white belts getting dirty till they got black, which you also disproved some years ago. Still love Wonderboy though, just not a great martial arts historian.
Warhorses were trained to kick and bite too, you know. And just try and sidekick even a pony and see how it goes. No, really, make a video about it, I wanna laugh.
"in real life no one is going to throw a fireball at you"
My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined
The high expectations of fiction :/ i'm still waiting for the Hogwarts Letter.
Same
@@ghoch3 not true I use flying side kicks to jump over fireballs all the time
Lies , if you're fighting Bowser you will have to deal wit em 🐲🔥
I was sparring with the only other person in the gym and learned their cup was actually a molotov cocktail so I jumped over their head and countered with a down-down-right- Y
I've definitely heard similar myths. A kenpo person told me (and I absolutely believed) that TKD's very high kicks were meant to kick people off horses. Great video, Ramsey. We definitely need to consistently examine our own biases and the things we hear.
It's an option.
@@HAYAOLEONE "It's an option" you say before you get impaled by a 6 foot spear
@@averageenjoyer2605 shit happens
Tkd wasn't even invented until the Korean war in the 50s so I have no idea where that myth came from 😂
Wasn't tkd invented in like the 50s or something? 😂
I first heard the myth like this: Northern Chinese martial arts were tuned to kick cavalrymen off their horses whereas Southern Chinese martial arts were tuned for street fights in tight alleys. It's still dumb, but it's funny to imagine a version of Mulan where 2/3 of the training scenes are box jumps.
Nothing to do with flying kicks on cavalry men.
Northern Kicks, Southern Fists was developed simply because of the geographical contexts.
The South is full of dense forests, wet river deltas, and hilly terrain. Its cities are densely packed, and there are a lot of river boats and ships. In terrain like this, it's not very balanced and you not be kicking a lot.
The North and the Central Plains are... well... plains. With flat ground and abundant space, where the terrain isn't comprising your balance and footing, kicks are a lot more viable.
This is also why you find that Southern Arts, in Asia even outside China, generally speaking focuses on shorter range and also the clinch, while most wrestling traditions come from the Plains and Steppes such as Mongolian and Tajik Wrestling.
You aren't gonna get much done wrestling on the jungle floor. On the flat plains and steppes however, it's the opposite.
I think the kicks were done by the horseman, not the footman. You got the hands holding on to the reins or a weapon, so the only free limb to attack up close are the legs. They can also kick going to and from the horse, you can see demonstrations of this sort of acrobatic moves in rodeos, or even dating back to the acrobats the Minoan bull riders did. These types of kicks makes sense when being pursued while trying to get to your horse, or any similar situations.
@@1Invinc 👍
I find this even funnier because Karate wasn't even alive in mainland Japan at the time Samurai fought.
For real, Karate is waaay later. (and its precursor was okinawan, which wasn't part of Japan for most of the Samurai's existence)
Even worse, the big exporters of flying kicks were Korean. Tae Kwon do grafted high and flying kicks onto an art that uses only low kicks.
One thing though, Samurai did invade Ryu Kyu Kingdom, all the way to shuri castle, well before Okinawa was a prefecture of Japan.
So they did have conflict with samurai.
With that said, there would be no reason a karate ka would be unarmed, karate never meant empty hand, until the 1900's, when it was introduced to mainland Japan
@@illogicalmethod yeah I know that's why I said most of their existance
@@illogicalmethod The Ryukyu Kingdom was conquered by the Shimazu in 1609. The Sengoku Jidai, the main period of samurai warfare, ended in 1615. It was too late for any changes to samurai warfare to occur.
@@ThejollyFrenchman
I think the statement I was making was lost in "translation".
With that said, Uchinaanchu were well aware of samurai, centuried before the invasion.
That's the only other thing I'll say, regarding my heritage.
"Remember, when attempting a flying side kick on mounted cavalry. Always do so from the high ground" -Sun Tzu.
Yeah that came to mind while watching the video
I love spamming things when sparring students too.
Besides being extremely fun it gives them an opportunity to predict what you'll do and counter. Sometimes I'll straight up run at my boy to see if he payed any attention to my instructions on angle shifts.
“Xaio called me a spammer” and
Just tell him the same thing I say when I attend a fighting game tournament, “totally legitimate strategy!”😂
spam that jump kick!XD
Jump so high you wil leave a hole in theFloor and dump your opponent in that hole !
"This is what the white colonizers said!"
It's funny, but painful.
Well that escalated quickly.
I'm not a fan of ccp propaganda I wonder if they made him to say it?
@@jacobfoerster6979
Leave you religious thinking at home. What he said was both funny and sadly true. It is history (all aggressors say they do what they do - all sort of evil, not because they are evil, but they are there to "help").
@@jacobfoerster6979 its popularised from Hong Kong kung fu movies about the period of time in china when the foreigners were taking over and puppeting china as a whole and in parts too.
@@GuitarsRockForever it's propaganda but you just keep licking those liberal boots and see if it gets you anywhere
Oh god I had a flashback of my karate sensei saying that in 2012
I've also heard this story, but it was from a taekwondo teacher. I know that taekwondo teams can get a ton of air. But as someone who's been around horses, once they are at even a trot, it's hard to keep up with them on the ground. Once they get up to a lope or a canter, (not even gallop yet) there's no keeping up. Add that to the chaos of the historical battle field, and there wouldn't be much chance of taking a rider down from the saddle on foot with a flying side kick.
I guess if you add gurilla warfare, like a jungle/forest setting, or an urban setting, I could see a guy jumping from a tree branch or a rooftop and taking the rider down that way? But only if the horse is standing still and the rider is oblivious to his surroundings. Even then the horse could hear the guy coming and spook.
Ramsey- "No one is going to throw fireballs at you in real life"
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Hahahahahaha! He will try!
They're not the only ones who are gonna do that
Today I fought my first amateur fight. I lost , even tough I threw more combinations. My lack of comfort was obvious . I cannot wait for my eleventh fight , which wont suck , hopefully.
Shoulda spammed u/f+4,3 that always works
Its normal that you was wild , you did not really lose anything it’s the jury you had a great battle and it was very close . Your next fight wil be a lot more calm .
I enjoyed your fight , bleu Corner !
@@bigmanbarry2299 its launch punishable!!
@@lawmain2864 real life has nerfed launch punishes into the ground
Frank Deux, invited this and he knocked a Samurai off a horse in 2 seconds, which angered Tong Po and caused him to nearly kill Jackson.
Well, Ramsay what you forgot to account for is the secret ninjutsu training elevates one's vertical to approximately 10 feet, so a six-foot flying side kick is really no issue for someone trained in the art of ninjutsu.
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This is sarcasm right?
@@mochigb621 no
Good stuff . Kid from our gym pulled a beautiful spinning flying side kick in the youth MMA IMMAF tournament in Bulgaria recently . He didn’t get the win , but he got the coolest pic ever of it mid flight from the official photographer ..
"In real life nobody's going to throw a fireball at you." 🤣
Pretty sure you're wrong about that.
There's some crazy people out there.
Fire is not real.
Nothing can burn.
Fire is a myth.
Good video! To assume that a random peasent could fly a kick a samurai from horseback unarmed is crazy lol, the reason why horses were used by the elite warriors throughout the world is not coincidence.
And the fact that the elite continued to remain elite, as well as the fact that the only peasant rebellions that succeeded either used extensive asymmetric warfare or had the resources to wage full-scale conventional warfare is also evidence of the fact that flying kicks against mounted soldiers would achieve less than nothing: if it was that easily countered, it would not be used, and certainly not for that long.
@@Vlad_Tepes_III who knew that to defeat knights and samurai all you had to do was learn karate 😅
@@grailknight6794 Could you imagine how the cavalryman would laugh at the flying sidekicking karateka if his horse suddenly reared up to kick the karateka before the karateka's kick landed?
@AileDiablo could you provide sources for that serving of bs?
to be fair after having critically analyzed this, a horse is an animal
True!
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@mete bolat Yes that makes sense. An animal on an animal. And maybe the rider got fleas. We soon reach the level of the Town Musicians of Bremen.
Did you guys see that weigh-in where the man shoved his opponent and injured the man's neck? Miyamoto Musashi talks about a way of slamming your whole body into your opponent, using your shoulder, in a way that occasionally could even kill them. Bare with me. That man shoving his opponent injured his neck, which could have been more severe...that was just a shove. Think of two samurai warriors in armor; in a bind with their swords, one samurai slams his body into the other. The weight of all his armor, slamming into the enemy. The enemy wearing armor of his own and nearly a 10lb helmet, having his head snap forward. When I saw that an unarmored shove, using mostly arm strength, could easily cause a neck injury; it made me realise how a full body shoulder slam, from an armored samurai, could sometimes kill. Just like the trained killer and mixed martial artist, Miyamoto Musashi had said
Now imagine that same shoulder check coming from Shao Kahn, when he's surrounded by glowing green energy.
Dude you get the martial arts comedy award for that kravmakido
I feel like everyone who has played something like Total War would know that cavalry beats out infantry every time 😅 unless the foot soldiers are wielding spears, pikes, pointy long sticks, etc... 🤘
Anyways, flying side kicks are cool, but I can't imagine anyone believing this would work against an armored opponent on a horse.
I want a mod that makes Kisho Ninjas Anti-Cavalry by making them jump kick the Takeda Shingen off his horse.
Thank you for showing the flying side kick as a bridge gap technique. It's not for damage, as much as getting close.
I took Tang Soo Do for 6 years and my Sa Bum Nim told me that the flying side kick was to knock people off horses...thank you for this video I've been fed a lie by a well meaning good man who also was. Because, of people like you; I have 2 black belts now I am taking western boxing, because I want to actually learn how to fight. Keep doing what you're doing, because I believed this myth until I saw this video.
Great explanation without myths anymore...✋👌👍
This is why I did subscribe Ramsey Dewey.
Be happy be healthy master...!
160cm warrior is absolutely tiny compared to me... (I'm nearly half a meter taller, or 7ft in total) It took me a while to realise it, but tatami started out originally as a bed. A small person can sleep on a single tatami. I however need 3! This means that there is absolutely no way for me to sleep on them without having to lie over a hard edge.
you are the same height as a mounted samurai? Stay away from people called David carrying slingshots you freakishly huge giant.
The book I read in preparation for my orange karate belt even claimed, that the Okinawans would strategically place ramps in their villages to negate the altitude difference and flying side kick their samurai opressors from their horses.
At the time I believed it lmao, but as I became older it dawned on me, that this idea is not only wrong but outright hilarious.
Actually I believe that this myth comes from TKD, that's how the Koreans in the 80s reasoned when describing the purpose behind their flying and 360 degree kicks xD
I think a few Koreans had to jump on visiting horsemen from the west as a desperate move. One time or two.
I could be wrong.
I love Xiao, his jokes make me laugh all the time. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sidekicks were an early method of solving quantum physics equations, change my mind.
I remember watching these old Karate tournaments when I was a kid and small guys winning buy flying sidekicks to much bigger guys. Knocking them over outside of the circle. I thought this was really cool but in retrospect they were just knocking a guy over who was already high up on his toes. Not really hurting them usually, but still a cool useful move
Sword fighting (most warriors used spears but swords did come out and not all fighting was in formation) actually involved some wrestling and even strikes. Watch fencing instructor Matt Easton, he oblique and front kicks in a sword fight
i love it when you transform into a COMEDIAN..it feels like,you feel good,and having a good time!!(it feels like you never left COMFORT ZONE,thats why its soooo good)a fighter and Comedian=a genius ;)LG Roman from Austria..:)
I really like this video. I also appreciate that Ramsey brings a level of calm humility to the online martial arts community.
Dude from spiderman t-shirt cult explains how spiderman moves are ineffective against horsemen.
Damn, now I want a fantasy setting featuring Giant Spider mounted cavalry.
Ramsey vs Sensei Mitch video, when are we gonna see that
A couple months ago I bought my first electric car - the VW ID.4 !!! Yay! My first pic with it is me doing an awesome flying side kick. It's awesome. And at age 61, I can still get 5 feet into the air. I got a lot of use out of it in my tang too do days in the early 80's. There was a girl, very competitive, and she would spar with the guys really hard, and it got her a reputation for being a really mean fighter. Her achilles heel was when I would unexpectedly launch a flying side kick, she would freeze, not knowing how to handle it at that moment. Other than that, she was a tough one.
I don't think this is a Karate myth (though I could be wrong). This is something that has been told in Taekwondo and Hapkido circles.
I heard this in a TKD class mentioned offhandedly once when I was a kid
Hey Ramsey like yourself I trained Tae Kwon do. Early on I learned about the flying sidekick and the humble brave warrior using his Indomitable Spirit to knock the invading mounted and armed Samurai off his horse. When training in the Dojang got tough I thought of that pure in heart TKD'r driving the blade of his foot through the ribs of the ne'er-do-well. Oh well Ramsey! Happily we were also taught about in the beginning martial artists were the police. Righting wrongs, protecting innocent people and helping wherever they could. I see The Guardian Angels and Curtis Sliwa upholding that tradition going back to the early 70's and continuing to this day.
Oah and interesting how this rumour has circulated. I heard someone repeat to me when I was a kid that it was Taikwando kicks that were developed for use against cavalry. But yes.. this is dumb.
The flying sidekick used in the street would go for the knees!!! It is called the Vietnamese sidekick ,got it from a book called complete kicking!! Thanks for the video RAM!!!
I had a sidekick once. Because I always had a pouch of tools on me, I named myself 'toolman' and my short friend and sidekick was 'offcut' and we would right wrongs and fix small domestic repairs.
This is a comic I would like to see!
Awesome Video Ramsey Dewey. That flying side kick to close the distance is really interesting. Im definitely gonna start training flying sidekicks now.
the flying sidekick was invented to kick samurai off their horses, but turns out it wasn't any good at it
I heard this myth too. Then I researched karate historically and discovered there are no flying side kicks until the late 40s / early 50s. A little late for samurai battles.
People that go on about easily defeating armed opponents with their hand likely never fought with a weapons sport and a hand to hand sport let alone against someone on a horse.
I guess they also never rode a horse too either. They need to see the size of those things and what they can be like when they are scared or angry.
I'm glad I got this wake up call early in life. Me and my cousin was messing around, where I would try to use martial arts to stop him, who has a fake knife comb. He didn't throw out the knife like in a typical martial arts demo - he went full shiv mode with quick repeated stabbings to the gut, and this made me realize how difficult it can be to defend against actual knife attacks by someone who really wants to kill you. In that theoretical matchup we had, even if I land a couple of good hits that can bring him down, my internal organs would have been swiss cheese at that point.
It's also the reason why I started carrying nunchakus on me to school all the time - kids at school would carry knives and icepicks, and the nunchaku outranges them.
@@sukotsutoCSSR Sounds like a rough school. I did HEMA and boxing and Judo and rode horses so I wouldn't even think its a good idea to fight bare fisted an armoured warrior on a horse lol.
This feels like a game theory episode, I love it 😂😂😂
Nice to see Xiao happy about a striking video but seemed so betrayed when the grappling started halfway through 😂
Xiao called you a *spammer*. 🖇
I call you a *spanner*. 🔧
Because you span distance with a spanning side-kick. 😎👍✈️
Sensei Mitch 🤣🤣🤣 that was the best part
Fun fact, the Sensei Mitch photo is a CGI creation.
@@RamseyDewey Technically, every image on any IT device is CGI.
Haha awesome analysis at the beginning. I actually heard that myth but with a jumping hooking kick. The flying side kick you show would work, but for chasing squirrely guys that run away I think the sliding side kick is even more effective because it is deceptive and you can defend better. So its like the kick you did but you slide one foot on the ground, not sure if you have seen those. My favourite use of flying side kick is to use it on a counter for someone my weight or lighter that is charging straight at me. I jump straight up and kick them, and use their impact to move my body backwards in the air before landing.
Okay guys so I ran the numbers and at most the karateke will generate 305 newtons of force while the samurai and horse will generate 4000 newtons of force on the lower end. So I guess Ramsey's right
How dare you use newtons!!! >: ( convert that to lbs right now
have you ever heard of cow tipping? I wonder if the idea was to put lateral vectors on the horse to use its own weight to knock it over. Then you wouldnt need to jump high, or fight the force of the horse. A medieval T-bone wreck if you will.
@@wabbagaming2184 have you ever stood next to a horse? Even a small horse weighs like 4 Arnold Schwarzeneggers big ones could be 7
@@bigmanbarry2299 so 4000 newtons is like 880 lb. And 305 is 67 lb. Darn americans
Tell me how you calculated this
I like side kicks, I practice it a lot, but not flying side kicks. I do practice nidan geri though, which is similar to the flying knee you showed.
As far as the stories about incredible martial arts feats like kicking a guy off a horse, I've heard tons of stories like that. The first kata I learned was Sanchin, and we used to hear tons of wild stories about it, like that you could make your abdominal muscles so strong that you could hold a rice bowl with just your stomach muscles and five strong men wouldn't be able to pull it off!
I don't know if I ever really believed it, but it definitely made me want to grip my stomach muscles really tight when my sensei would come to test my form.
Last time I saw a dude throw a flying side kick, it was aimed at a friend of mine who was walking beside me. My friend caught the kicking leg mid-air and slammed the dude into the wall. It was one of the most beautiful things I’d ever seen.
I walked away so I didn’t have to help them fix the wall.
What was the wall made of, that it broke so easily?
@@Vlad_Tepes_III it was one of those temporary fake walls that made up a makeshift office space.
I feel like Chao is a custom character where all his points were put into bants 😂 that dude is hilarious.
Btw.. the reminder you asked for: Can you do the video about how to squeeze all the air out of your man like an accordion using top pressure.
1:45 What ? 68kg with no armor , man , I gotta get bigger . Those guys were Huge for their height ! I am 170 cm and like 60kg .
Nice 🐏 RAM!!! Very true ,but, I admit I did believe it once upon a time!!
My karate instructor in high school repeated this one, except it was Koreans kicking mongols off of horses with Tang Soo Do.
That would explain why the Mongols practically just walked over them.
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 It was highly effective, and for a long time the Mongols didn't know how to deal with their ferocity, and the invasion was stopped. But then they quickly invented the bow and learned how to shoot the Koreans mid-air before they could connect, and their invasion continued.
@@Chraan I can't tell if you are actually serious or making a joke.
They used small vaulting poles. I need a million dollar grant to research this.
Did Sensei Mitch tell you that one too? No, they used actual weapons for wars.
@@RamseyDewey (Channeling my inner Zen master,) What is a weapon?
@@RamseyDewey did you mean "weapons of war?"
Great video!
Hey Ramsey have you seen the concepts for the humanoid Tesla robot? We’re one step closer to being allowed to break our sparing partners!
I heard a similar myth from a fellow Taekwondo practitioner, apparently her instructor told her the Back Kick is sometimes called the Horse Kick because it was used to kick people off horses. The standing back kick. First I was confused, and after a short while more and more images about this were popping in my head and I kept laughing for a long while.
I most definitely believe in the "flying forward, flying backward, lying unconsciously" move against charging Samurai horsemen.
Flying side kick was what seriously injured me back to my youth days (stopped me from training).
4:13 i may throw a fireball at someone. I have the Tesla Totally Not a Flamethrower.
4ft of vertical jump in the NBA is very rare, they measure it in inches an that's 48", only once in history that mark was registered. Michael Jordan's was 46" for example. Having a 40" vertical jump in the NBA is already considered elite level, 48" is inhuman for the NBA.
Running vertical leap, not vertical jump.
If a jumping knee works a jumping kick would be ok if you time that .. but I think we should not jump or step to get the fastest and the hardest side kick .and the kick I am taking about should be used when a guy comes at you , chasing is a waste of energy yeah 👍thanks great video .
Could this be a good way to get inside if you're a smaller fighter? Thanks for your content coach, with love from an Italian guy in Germany 😂
Yep
I’m torn! On one hand Ramsey said no grappling. On the other hand if you step into the ring with Ramsey you should probably be prepared to grapple.
Most pictures showing guys throwing side kicks with their legs extended before hitting the target, that's probably for a nice picture but such kicks are incorrect. You should just cock your leg while flying and extend it (throw it out) when near the target to maximize the impact. The perfect timing is when your foot hits the target, your leg is not fully extended but like 95% extended. The remaining 5% is to send your foot through the target.
Some jumping kicks use the extended leg for balance.
You retract and extend to hit.
Seems superhuman?
a question I never had and never knew I wanted the answer for!
I actually heard about this with they said they would run off Hills to fly and kick the samurai off the horse
8:15 the counter to flying side kick in MMA is to jump higher and deliver a flying side kick from above XD
you said pony, and i just thought to myself, samurai armed with a bayonet riding on magical unicorns charging into war. shouting "Friendship is Magic!". XD
The idea of someone being able to kick a samurai off of a horse is pure fantasy out of a movie. Those people forgot that samurai wielded swords, spears, bows, and even guns. Also, they could have trained the horse to trample people. So jumping would be really dumb. You'd end up getting headbutted by the horse and stomped out like a fire. and if it's from the side of the horse... how'd you get there in the first place?
remsy greatins from serbia! in less 30 years serbian men often fight against police in streets rallys. they use flying side kick to police shilds to try break police lines. just an idea. love your videos i learn a lot from you. good health to you.
The jumping kick! This reminds me of a very old arcade game, The Danger-Sen'Sei:
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Answer is simply to not try jumping up, but jumping down or at the same level...
From example from a tree / an earth 'pile' / stone wall / roof bordering the road.
Very practical ambush basics...
Myths are good because they give ideas and motivation to prove something right/wrong when training BTW.
Jumping on a horsemen is very basic fighting if you have nothing but a short sharp stick.. You can't escape as a rule, you will get pierced or slashed if you don't go to grappling range. The end.
Do your prayers, jump on him and stick it in his neck.
Always better to drop a big rock/stone on his head tho.. in the dark.
You know what caused the audio problem in the first video ?
No idea. I reuploaded the video and it fixed the problem.
Oh my. Math!
Sensei Mitch! Lmao
Excellent video! 💯 Funny and smart 😁👍
Flying sidekick against cavalry is an interesting choice, especially when a pointy stick seems to do the job much easier lol 😂
They connected their bo and jo staffs with a little known weapon (of war) called the schmoe. This enabled them to vault to the height of a horseman.
But I'm pretty sure taking both feet off the ground at the same time is always a bad idea.
Yeah, running doesn't work.
8:55, far across the distance and spaces between us, you have come to fight me head on.
It's over Anakin. I have the high horse. '
Coach Ramsey, since you have a background in modern dance if you had to make a musical with martial arts UA-camrs let’s say of a Disney film who would you cast and why?
I just thought since Hard2hurt recently did a troom video and wore a red wig how would he do as Anna from from Frozen? With grandmaster Jessie of Mexican MMA as the Villain or Olaf i’m not sure yet...
Are you sure sensei Mitch didn't tell you about the ninjas that superman punched samurais off their horses at the Battle of Onara?
Are you sure you aren't talking about the battle of Ochinchin?
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 ah yes the battle of Ochinchin and Chitsu two of the greatest oppositions. They really filled in those Chitsu the Ochinchins did right up into the climax of battle.
@@HarryToeface I hear the leader of the fighting style Manko Ryu the Chitsu employed cried bitter white tears afterwards.
Let's stop lol, I feel increasingly stupid writing this horseshit.
@@penttikoivuniemi2146 xD
One thing that you didn't mention that would also support your argument is that if the karateka is attacking from the front, their jum would have to clear the horses head and their kick would have to have enough force not only to push the very heavy armored samurai but also to exceed all of the friction on the horses back and any of the binds holding the saddle in place. If they were attacking from the side, the torque of their kick would be counteracted by the torque of the samurai's leg on the opposite side of the horse. from the side, the only way to knock him off would be if your kick was so powerful that it could take his entire leg off or powerful enough to knock over both the rider and the horse.
In Brasil people call it "Avoadora" and the most surprisingly thing is this works a lot In Da Streetzzz
We practiced flying kicks when I did taekwondo. And then again yrs later with my jkd/boxing coach.
I am no martial artist. I was wondering, while being taken down in a grappling move in MMA, is it really possible to use that motion to throw the top opponent off using some judo technique shown in the Mifune video?
There are a lot motions shown in the videos of Kyozo Mifune. Is it possible to get a reversal off a takedown? Yes, of course. It happens all the time. Can most people make it look at as cool and smooth as Mifune? No.
man i love Xiao, just randomly followed up a jumping side kick with a spinning back kick.
"Keep your homoerotic tendencies in check white man" ~Xiao
Nice! I need to do more of the info videos I want to do..damn tyranny!
I never heard the Japanese version. The version I heard was in China.
In modern practice, I’ve used jumping kicks, front, side, round house, spinning and turning back kicks with success, but would never try it on the outside with shoes and over concrete.
In sparring though? I did it many times.
Fun fact : the flying side kick is one of the most easy punishable move in video game on a high level of esport, usually it s must be perfectlly timed to get an overhead advantage, but it depends of the match up, the hit boxes and the priority of the attacks. So even if it works with a better success ratio on beginer difficulties or against inexperimented playes. So even in most of Versus fighting game, the flying kick sn't working well. Amusing, no ?
I am not sure if its accurate but I heard the average height was 5 foot 5 for the average person in Japan in the era but the average samurai were taller due to being better fed and maybe due to genetics at around 5 foot 7 with some short people and some tall people too like the famous swordsman Musashi at around 180 metres.
Pretty sure that's 180 cm... 180m would definitely explain how he won every sword fight, but I think he would be remembered for his height more than his skill with the sword. With that kind of a height, he might even be able to realistically use that sword defense floating around on UA-cam where you carry a log with you and when someone draws their sword, you hit them in the head with the log.
@@killfacebalor2474 I remember one of his rivals was a similar height slightly shorter and he still did impressive things like fighting an entire sword school of over 20 people with swords trying to kill him at once. If the average samurai was 170 cm then a few taller ones would be like 175cm which would be able to take on a 180cm. So yes while him being pretty big for medieval Japan or most of the world at the time and his did help a lot his skill helped a huge amount too. Despite being big he did badly in his first battle before he trained to improve.
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Hmm. Bow and arrow seems better against mounted cavalry like Samurai. Worked really well against very heavy armored French knights at Agincort.
They also had Portuguese muskets at the time I have read. Another better option.
@@TaijDevon it depends on exactly when in time, but copies of Portuguese matchlock guns (teppo) were very effective in medieval Japan. Musashi even references them in the book of five rings.
@@kevingooley9628 While a duelist, Musashi seems a reliable authority on Japanese killing methods. I can't think of anybody with that kind of kill record until Gunnery Sgt Hathcock in Vietnam.
I don’t think Average Man could do it, but he would have good background music while trying.
Just imagine to run at full speed against a charging horse and jump off the first floor into the riders face with the sensitive part of your foot smashing into the rim of his helmet and hopefully you'll manage to land on one foot rather than on your head... sounds like a trip to the hospital to me...
BTW: for some reason, this flying kick is utterly impossible for me. I can do a flying knee, but for some reason, I cannot expand my legs in air. My muscles cramp up the moment I try to straighten my leg in a horizontal direction.
I largely agree with you, but you obviously don’t have to hit the guy in the head, or did I miss something? I think that your better arguments for why it wasn’t used to dismount cavalry wasn’t the vertical jump requirements, it was pointing out that weapons were posed too big of a risk and grappling was safer and more realistic.
Somebody call Wonderboy, he needs to hear this.
Why? Is he in cahoots with Sensei Mitch spreading the myth?
@@RamseyDewey Nah, just a fun dude who'll say funny stuff regarding this topic.
@@RamseyDewey ua-cam.com/video/MQAVbwUTaYU/v-deo.html Please go to min 22. In the same video he is also mentioning the myth of the karate masters of yore having their white belts getting dirty till they got black, which you also disproved some years ago. Still love Wonderboy though, just not a great martial arts historian.
What if you use the flying side kick to knock over the horse? Didn't think of that, did ya?
Warhorses were trained to kick and bite too, you know. And just try and sidekick even a pony and see how it goes. No, really, make a video about it, I wanna laugh.
Hahaha the sarcasm is strong with this one.
@@pantro1014 But not with the previous two commenters, unfortunately.
@@ShoRyuBarbie But I want a sidekick vs horse video, that wasn't sarcasm. No, really.