6 Different American Tang Soo Do Stances
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- With the 6 Different American Tang Soo Do stances you will see the diversity and similarities in our world of Martial Arts.
I would love to hear back from other Martial Artists to hear how similar our stances are to yours and even how different . If you have stances in your art that are completely different than ours, which ones are your favorite?
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The X- stance you demonstrated is apart of the style of Taekwondo I study. It's in a couple of our Taeguek and palgwa forms.
Oh wow I didn't know that. I have yet to see anyone do the X stance, good to know our relative style of Taekwondo does the similar stances. Out of all the taekwondo forms I've seen I haven't seen the X. I'll look into the taeguek forms and look for it. Thank you for sharing!
@@SenseiIchi typically its the itf forms or jhoon rhee style which heavily comes from tang soo do so it makes sense I actually found your channel becuase I'm workimg on transitioning to jhoon rhee american tkd to tang soo do
@@8unlucky8 Oh really? What made you make the transition?
one the major things i noticed is from tang soo do moo duk kwan and american tang soo do is american TSD the cat stance is really close the TSD MDK back stance
Greetings Sensei Ichi, I truly find this very intriguing, as most of the stances that you went through, we have them in our Kyokushin Karate style. The first one you did, the forward leaning stance, we call it Zenkutsu dachi, with the toes of the front foot pointing forward, the knee of the front foot slightly bent to the point, where as you said if you look down, you should barely be able to see your toes. The back foot is fully straight with the bowl and heel of the foot, clearly and fully planted flat on the floor. The toes of the back foot, are at a 45 degree angle. The weight distribution for this stance for us is 70% on the front foot and 30% on the back foot.
The next stance which you showed, the back leaning stance, we call Kokutsu Dachi, here the back foot is bent at the knee, as if we were sitting on a stool or chair with the weight of the back foot, being this time round 80%. Unlike your version of the stance in your Tang Soo Do style, the toes of the back foot for us, are still pointed at a 45 degree angle going forward. The front foot's toes are still facing directly forward, however we are leaning that front foot on the bowl of our foot, with the heel of the front foot, slightly and barely noticeable, off the ground. The weight distribution of the front foot here for this stance, is 20%! The reason being that this was our founder Sosai Oyama Masutatsu's favourite stance, because it is the transitional stance that one needs to go into, to adequately then be able to elevate the front foot, to execute a rapid, snap front kick to either the opponent's groin, stomach or their face. The next stance the horseback or horse riding stance, we call it Kiba Dachi and for us this stance is two shoulder width apart, with both knees pointing out, back straight, bottom tucked in and the toes of our feet pointing forward. We use this stance to strengthen and train the thighs, hips and knees also to toughen the legs to brace themselves and be able to withstand leg sweeps, when slightly sinking one's body weight downwards, when defending from on coming attack, also to develop the strength and power of the legs' muscles to deliver strong kicks in general, especially the roundhouse kicks. The weight distribution here for each leg is 50/50, or 50% on each leg.
The next one the crane stance, which we call Tsuru Ashi Dachi, we bring our leg with our knee pointing on a 45 degree angle facing forward, with our toes pointing downward and our heel upwards , both flat and resting along our knee and thigh, of the foot we are standing on. Our front foot is with the toes pointing forward and straight ahead, with the standing leg, completely straight, with the foot's both heel and bowl, fully flat and firmly planted on the ground. This is the stance that we use to teach how to chamber up and then execute side kicks, be it to the knee cap, the midsection, such as the opponent's stomach or highly towards their head. Obviously as one leg is off the ground, the body weight distribution, is 100 % on the standing leg, firmly planted on the ground.
The proceeding stance which you showed called the cat stance, we call it Neko Ashi Dachi, similar to Kokutsu Dachi (back leaning stance), the back leg is bent once again as if one was sitting on a chair or a stool. The back foot again with the toes pointing forward in a 45 degree angle. While the front foot like in your cat stance demonstration, the toes are pointing straight ahead forward, with the heel of the front foot, completely off the floor with the foot resting on the bowl of the foot. The front foot is only one foot in distance from the back foot, as opposed to the back leaning stance, where the front is three feet away from the back foot. Here the weight distribution is 90% on the back foot, while the front foot only has 10% of the body's weight.
The final stance the hooked stance, we call it Kake Dachi. Here the front foot is pointing with the toes forward, with the heel fully flat on the floor, the front leg fully straight. The back leg is slightly bent, as it hooks behind the front leg, with the toes pointing diagonally at 90 degrees, however with the heel of the back foot, completely off the ground, with the foot fully resting on the floor on the bowl of the foot. The knee of the back leg is bent as much as possible with the shin of the back foot, leaning on the calve of the front foot, with the toes of the back foot, directly in line with heel of the front foot, fully flat on the ground . The weight distribution here, is the reverse of the cat stance, with 90% of the body weight on the front foot, while 10% is on the back foot.
These are the very similar stances, that we in Kyokushin Karate, have which are also similar to yours in Tang Soo Do Sensei Ichi. The applications are pretty much the same as in your martial arts style, however I have given you the Japanese names that we use, given that Kyokushin Karate being a Japanese martial art, uses Japanese linguistic terminology.
Thank you as always for sharing and enlightening us all with the aspects and techniques of your Tang Soo Do martial art, it is great to learn the differences and similarities that many of our styles of self defence and combat have. I hope your week is going well Sensei Ichi, looking forward to your next video. As always greetings from Melbourne, Australia 🇦🇺 ☺ ✌ 👍, Osu! Juan.
Thank you so much Juan for that thorough examination and referencing of our two styles. It's cool to see the Japanese lineage between Tang Soo Do and Kyokushin. Tang soo do definitely has Japanese influence as you can now see in our stances.
Thank you again for sharing! Video with Samurai Swords drops tomorrow!!! Hope you enjoy it....
@@SenseiIchi not at all thank you immensely for showing us some of your Tang Soo Do stances. Indeed as you said it was interesting to see the Japanese lineage of our to arts, along with other parallels that we share in common, including a number of the katas. On a minor side note, without getting political and ruffling any feathers, our Kyokushin Karate founder, Sosai Oyama Masutatsu, was actually of South Korean ethnicity, his real name was Choi Baedal in Korean. Thus although many Japanese people are not willing to admit it, Kyokushin Karate itself has Korean martial arts elements, after all Sosai Oyama studied Chinese Kenpo, while living in his sister's farm aa a child in Northern China. Then upon returning to his native South Korea, as a child before eventually migrating to Japan, his second martial art training was in Korean Kenpo. Eventually he progressed to learn boxing, then Judo, Shotokan and Goju-Ryu Karate, where he attained black belts in all of them, passed the third dan. This is to give you an idea of why our art, as is your art of Tang Soo Do, both of our founders, were highly skilled in other arts, prior to creating our two, separate and great systems.
Since my first UA-cam channel which is this one, is about my Mexican wrestling and Japanese wrestling masks, as well as eventually my Power Rangers helmets and other props, in my new and second UA-cam channel, I plan to make it martial arts focused. There along with my Instagram account, I plan to start filming and uploading my Kyokushin Karate katas, also borrowing from your idea if I may, also show our various Kyokushin Karate stances. I am going to commence with the stances as my first video, then go through our basics one by one, such as punches, blocks and kicks. That way the general public as well as martial arts masters such as yourself and practitioners of other martial arts styles, can see and compare, to their own arts. Once they are up on my secondary UA-cam channel, I will notify you with the link.
Wow that is awesome, I am so looking forward to your Samurai sword video. Your channel is definitely one of my favourite UA-cam channels out there, when it comes to martial arts. Wishing you a wonderful day ahead, here in Australia is 7:00 PM, Thursday evening. Wishing you as always all the best, thank you immensely Sensei Ichi for taking the time to read and respond to all of our messages, Osu! Juan 👍 ☺ ✌.
The X stance appears in older styles of Savate as brief transition in to a side kick.
In kenpo we have a similar foot maneuver it’s a cross over
I did cat stance at my last dojo when I was learning traditional Okinawan karate
Tang soo! Interesting to see differences even within Tang Soo Do styles (been practicing ITF Tang Soo Do since 1999). Our chungul jase has both feet pointed forwards, not one at a 45-degree angle. We also keep our feet closer together on hugul jase (which we call fighting stance instead of back stance), still keeping nearly all the weight on the back leg, pretty much like what you call "cat stance," but still with feet shoulder-width apart from the front. Of course then there's the sparring fighting stance, which keeps the weight more even and on the balls of the feet. But the keema jase is pretty much the same. Do you also have sa go rip jase, where it's more like a 45-degree horse stance? []
Thank you for your insight, that was very helpful and left me with lots of knowledge. We do not have a stance that is a 45 degree horse stance, although I would be curious to know the benefits of that stance. Do tell...
@@SenseiIchi It's usually used as sort of a transitional stance. The first few moves of sip soo start in this stance, and then you shift into chungul jase. It also shows up in things like yuk soo kong kyuk, where you defend with a one-handed soo do block in sa go rip jase, then reverse punch into chungul jase. Things like that. []
@@JTtheNinja Interesting... Thank you for all that.
We have the x stance in Chung Do Kwan too.
It is natural that there are many similar stands in many other arts... because human only has two legs.
* Han We do all have two legs but... the legs twist, turn and in so many more directions than one can possible fathom...
which more aggressive tang soo do and shotokan ?
Nice these states can create power and speed.
Your x stance is used in shotokan karate we call it kosa dachi which you can see in one of our most basic katas (heian yondan), we use it for going forward and sideways.
Very cool, thank you so much for sharing!
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How come you don't use sa bom nim instead of sensei if you are a tang soo do master? Love your videos btw you help me alot. It be nice to know more avout you sensei.
Gudday SI, All identical stances, except for back stance / cat stance. Our Grand Master doesn’t agree with Kukkiwon about that stance. It is to do with the rear foot being at 90 degrees. We don’t go to 90 degrees, we go to 65-75 degrees....
I think your videos are great. I find however that you refer to a lot of things you do as the way Tang Soo Do does them. As a Master in American Tang Soo Do, I also earned a black belt in a Korean heavy version of Tang Soo Do and they are very different. In American Tang Soo Do the often called Cat Stance is a typical (basically) back stance in traditional Tang Soo Do, with the front heel raised. In American Tang Soo Do the back stance is more like traditional Taekwondo and Shotokan.
Tang Soo Do specifically has so many variations it can make a head spin. My instructor is still active and current in the UFAF, so mine won’t look exactly like yours.
There is always this struggle in schools between traditions and progression. American TSD in general I feel has always had a good deal of both but again much of it depends on school and teacher and not just the style.
I saw a guy doing the fighting form from Mr Norris’s movie with Bruce and calling it American Tang Soo Do form 1. It certainly may be at his school, but not American Tang Soo Do in general in my experience.
Thank you for sharing. That was me.
Okinawan Karate has similar stances but we don’t have the X stance
I've always been curious about the X stance, how it was created and why some styles use it and others dont.
Hi when you turn in your stances do you use the ball of the foot? It looks like you don't? In ITF taekwon do we have these stances but always pivot on the ball of the foot.
It depends. some of our stances we pivot off the ball some off the heel.
I study goju Ryu and we do a cat stance but ours is a little different our back leg takes almost all our weight and our feet are barely touching the ground on our front leg so you can throw a kick with the front leg
I duno, that sounds exactly like what I was explaining for our cat stance. I've seen Goju Ryu martial artists do their cat stances and it looks identical to me. Do you see me doing it differently ?
No no it looks like your front foot is completely touching the floor that's all don't mean any disrespect maybe I was just looking at it wrong idk
But to answer your question yes it's almost identical just it looked like you were putting your weight on both legs in the school I go to we only have our weight on our back leg that's all just differences and similarities between styles
@@jayb6538 No, no disrespect. We do in fact teach only the ball of the foot on the floor for the front foot. From what I've seen, the same with Japanese/Okinawan karate as well.
God i use to hate those chops it never made since to me
I saw some pretty choppy 70's Tang soo do footage from Super foot Wallace (including sparring footage) great distance creator kicks but had to resort to traditional boxing to punish and counter punch his opponent he was fighting from coming in. What always bothered me about Kung fu and karate practices with stances that are not applicable to spar with. You would have to be a moron to (wing chun tonight ) stance if someone was going to haymaker your ass. That Ip man stuff is crap. I do like the 70's Tang Soo do and hapkido videos though, it seemed like they really put these things to practice to see if it works.
Haha for sure, there is definitely a time and place for most traditional martial arts stances. Of course there are variations of the traditional stances in most boxing, mma, full contact fighting. Stances are used for balance and power, they are just modified to fit the needs of a, in the ring fighter. Tang soo do is a very brutal style, many of our techniques are interpreted as "meant to spear the eyes, crush the throat, break the neck, stomp the face... There was even a version of the Ninja in the Korean war called the Sulsa, that studied a version of Tang Soo Do called Hwa Rang Do.
Thank you for sharing!
a lot of them are training stances, horse is to develop alignment for instance, or front stance to train the weight in the front leg, back in the back, chicken step for quick grounding etc. Eventually you should be able to freely move and keep the qualities trained from the stances.
@@mooselee902 Very much how I feel about our Moo Duk Kwan stances. Many of them practiced over and over will develop muscles you don't normally use in every day activity. As I progressed in martial arts, I started seeing some of these such as front stance, x stance, as transitional stances for a nimble fighter to keep moving efficiently.