This Isn't What I Expected to Happen - Ice and Heavy Rain Waterproof Test - NatureHike Massif Tent
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2024
- This is the video that many have been waiting to see;
I have been waterproof testing the NatureHike Massif tent and I have pushed it to it's limits in this one!
This tent is going to face heavy rain along with heavy icing!
Will it pass or will it fail my testing?
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I purchased this tent because Luke recommended it and set it up December 26, 2023. I live in North Eastern Lower Michigan where it can be very cold and damp. Two weeks ago there was a true blizzard here. 15" of heavy, wet snow fell in 8 hrs. The tent bowed under the weight, yet popped right back after I brushed the snow off. Then temperatures fell below zero. When it got warmer, it rained and then froze. I have not been able to find a single leak. I've been experimenting with ventilation and air flow. When I get the balance right, moisture build up from a propane heater isn't an issue. There have been some wind gusts over 25 mph, but no long wind storms yet. Those will come soon enough. I've got it staked out with long stakes and it's holding down tight. I am much impressed at how strong the tent fabric and poles are. I'll be leaving the tent up throughout the winter if possible. I'm 6 foot tall and it is very roomy inside. BTW, the tent is set up 30 feet from the front door of my warm and cozy home. I like to test my gear, but I'm not stupid.
Please share you test results when you finish. I’m looking to buy one and I’m curious what you find out.
Same here! Superb review my friend. Thank you! Looking forward to what you truly think! Blessings~
You can use a fire inside that tent.
Hahaha. Love your post and love your finish...
Wind test long term can you say if still good in strong wind
Having lived in Florida most of my half-century plus and I too can attest that the cold (below 40F) here is very different. I've spent time in Colorado and the Carolinas during winters, and the humidity makes a HUGE difference. I'm sure Luke will address this, however, think of high humidity like rain. When it's warm rain on your skin, it feels refreshing and even uncomfortable because it's too warm and humid to evaporate, but cold rain will literally pull the heat out of you.
I lve in the UK, we dont know any other kind lol
Central Florida my entire life 54 and I’ve experienced winters, all around the globe. 28° and windy down here is just as bad as 0° anywhere else I’ve experienced it. The good part about this place is that you leave for work in two layers of clothes, a scarf and by lunch you’re in shorts and a t shirt 🎉
I lived in the woods of the Virginia Appalachians and the sleet and 100% humidity in below freezing was awful. Some of the best snow mornings I’ve ever seen though.
As someone that lives in Nova Scotia, I know all about winter temps and moisture in the air. I have friends from Alberta where it gets to -50 Celsius, then come here and can barely stand -10 but -25 with wind chill.. you can’t hide or dress for the moisture!
Very best 🍻
You can, you need to be dressed right, windproof outer shell, proper midlayer, and this is key, your baselayer has to be tucked in, that is your thermal tights or long johns need to be tucked into your socks, your base layer shirt needs to be tucked into your pants, and this is key you need to have no way for air to enter down your collar, so a balaclava that goes down the neck and can be tucked into your shirty.
Basically in building terms in moist air you need a sealed air barrier that has no leaks every air leak is letting in cold air which because of the moisture in it physically cools the skin more than dry cool air.
I figured this out because I am one of those people that goes out to the beach on the windy days to watch the waves, and I started watching these outdoor youtube channels around the same time, I got into buying some of their suggestion and figured out that tucking my base layer in so that the least amount of actual skin is being "touched" directly by the cold air.
I mean I no longer live on the coast I live farther north and with my base layer the thing Ive found I never need to do here is tuck my base layer into my socks, just having layers and the outer layer cover my boot is fine even down to below zero temps. Whereas on the coast leaving anything untucked meant that seam would start to chill that part of my body.
So, basically a little seem sealing around the vent tie offs should be enough the solve the minor leaks. Sounds like a good deal to me. Thank for another great review.
I'm so darn jealous of your rainy events. If I tested a tent in southern New Mexico, I'd have to leave it staked out for four months.
From experience a long term test in the sun is more damaging then a long term test in the rain. My tent was staked out for six months and the rain and snow did nothing to it, but it did fade slightly and Im pretty sure I need to give it a waterproofing treatment again.
UV rays are killer on most synthetic fibers and the treatments for waterproofing.
No kidding - I live in southern NM also, heck you might have to leave it out a year. That said it's raining today - - - a bit.
Also in the same area. Wasn't much of a rain, unfortunately
It's a no brainer...it's a good price for a 4 season tent. Buy and apply some seam sealant and your good to go. Thanks Luke!
That's what I thought, beef up the sealing at those two points
A tent without a floor seems alien to me. I can't make a decision now, without some experience with it.
Also live a couple miles from the surf, pacific northwest. It's true. Temps often feel different depending on distance from the marine layer and it's strength. Visitors from warmer climes often complain about the cold even in the upper 50's. Another factor to consider; the psychological aspect. If it's foggy or gray skies, (ie; ugly looking outside),..people will often complain about the cold or feel it even more. That can play a roll for those camping under under even mild stress. Another good one. Cheers. 👍
I lived on the coast and figured at how to point out the difference between coastal cold and interior cold. First off at the same thermometer reading, so lets say 50 degrees more humid air can transfer heat away from you faster than dry air at the same thermometer reading. So its actually feels colder.
But what I noticed is how it actually affects you, and its the air that goes down your collar and up the hems of your clothes.
So in dry cold nice sweater will keep you warm, in wet cold the air getting down into the collar and up the hem will absolutely chill you to the bone.
So what you do, in moist cold is make sure that your clothers are air tight, that your collar is covered by a scarf or otherwise sealed and that underneath that sweater your shirt should be tucked into your pants.
Just wearing a scarf and tucking in your underlayer makes so much difference because you arent letting that moist cold air with its ability to tranfer heat away take it away from your skin.
Agreed on the clothing. That's why many of us around the coast always tell others in questionable weather,...to layer! One can be in direct sun on a cold day and sweating profusely while your skin is unconfortably cold facing winds. It makes for a difficult day hike or bike ride sometimes. On my mountain bike trips,..I always take a light jacket for the return trip back even if I don't use it, (more air across the skin to drive temps down),....I've learned the hard way. Cheers. @@messagedeleted1922
I purchased this based on your initial review. Been looking for something like this but the cost and reviews on other products has kept me on the sidelines.
Set it up and agreed with your evaluation, been waiting for this test. I planned partial tarp cover similar to yours. Will seem seal those spots you discovered inside and out. Thanks for the find, the size, features, quality and cost are outstanding. 👍🇺🇸
I bought one a few weeks ago. This tent is extremely versatile and roomy as well. Spray some Hi and Dri silicone waterproof spray on those slightly leaking seams and it will leak no more.
Review of the larger model is a must !!! Since there are design differences.
There is a video of the larger model and it clearly has a design flaw with hot stove jack flaps.
I know you probably get bombarded by comments all saying the same thing, but I'm going to add to the list anyway. Absolutely great video and review. I love the way your demonstrate products and speak about them fairly with no advertisements. You are the sole channel I know of that makes such consistently high-quality content. Thanks for doing what you do, from your adventures to your reviews. I wouldn't be able to enjoy the outdoors as much without your channel.
The price is a good selling factor for such a nice tent, but the ability to pop a stove in it AND a chair you can sit in by the fire inside is a very understated advantage. For Winter use at least, this tent is a buy.
I have a NatureHike Star River 2, that thing does NOT leak. Happy with it so far considering it's a super cheap tent I bought for 3 season use. I will say it's not the most rugged built tent but you get what you pay for.
YEAH !!!! best tent I've seen you test in LONG time. It's just what I have been looking for THANK YOU SO MUSH FOR THIS TENT
I purchased this tent based on your first review. I’m so glad to see it passed the rain test.
Thank you for your on going commitment on providing excellent and unbiased reviews.
I always appreciate your test nights. I can't wait to see more adventures with this tent.
Luke, Thank you so much for the final test. I bought this tent after your first 2 videos, I have a Winter trip planned with this tent here in Wisconsin next week in the snow.
Thanks again for all you do to test out products for us. So glad I bought this tent.
I hope, at some point you let us know how you, your tent, & outdoor adventure fared.
I love it when something over performs.
I purchased this when the conversion on Patreon was going regarding this on Temu. I haven't had the change to get it out yet, but I'm so glad I purchased it. It seems like it'll do well in the Missouri seasons. I'm so impressed by this thing!
Thank you for everything you do for us, Sir !!!
I just rain tested this today in Central Florida’s wild afternoon showers. The material is heavy from being wet as if it soaked it in. The only leaks I see are in the same places Luke shown us. I’m taking this hunting in a couple of month when the worst of the storm are in season.
Dedication! And I agree, with leaks that minor in rain that heavy, the tent definitely passed. Thanks for the great review.
I have a Marmot. Not a hot tent, but in the snowmageddon season of 2023 that became rainogeddon for the summer, my tent prevailed. It also survived a snow, wind storm when I was backpacking and not even present. I’m not a Marmot sponsor or anything. Just was amazed my my tent. There are some good tents out there😊.
I live in Northern, Ontario Canada and I just bought this tent to use this year to go solo camping with my Jack Russell, Loki . I’ll come back with a further review after my trip. I’m excited to try it!
How di it hold up in the wind
Thanks for the review. I'm going to order mine today!! Thanks for the shout out in this episode too!!
These videos are almost ASMR. :)
Excellent! Thank you for all you do, Luke. Haven't missed an adventure, test night, or product review.
I just bought one I live in Montana can’t wait to use it this winter one my camping trips and hunting trips
Your camping is very attractive!🏕️
I was impressed.✨
I have not camped on the day of the heavy rain.☔️
I think that it is very difficult.😮
You are so tough, and smart.✨
Your video became the splendid hint.🔥
It will update my camping.☺️
Thank you for your wonderful activity.🇯🇵
Hey Luke, thanks again for another review and test. Very impressive on how well the tent held up. I would like to get one. I would like to have a bigger hot tent that I could hunker down in and be able to sit in a chair on the inside. Very nice!
This was a great post about the importance of the tent
Thank you Luke! God bless you and family!
Great review an an unexpected result indeed.
Just a point and with respect: during my training I was taught that a vital component of communication is done through the eyes and the recipient being able to see your eyes. Wearing dark sunglasses, (even as in this video it's dusk), is a deterrent to assessing the veracity of the speaker. Please don't be offended Luke, it's just some friendly input.
Humidity is a huge issue! I have been to the big island Hawaii once. I remember wanting to get up for sunrise. It was 68 degrees F, but there was so much humidity it was chilly and I had to get my hoodie. And every surface was covered in dew. I didn't expect that, luckily I packed for it.
What a great test you always go above and beyond.
Thank you, I’ve been waiting for this review. I finally purchased the tent and will reinforce those areas just incase. Great job Brother. 👍🏼👍🏼🙏
As always, thank you !
4-season tent without a floor? Interesting. Good review as always.
I went canvas. Yes its heavy and bulky, expensive , but its easy to set up and it does not leak at all. Been through heavy rain and storms with no issues.
Great job Luke! Get the larger version in and try it out, cheers S&H
I have ordered this tent. Looking forward to its arrival. I have the one Tigris Stella, I use inside the Rocdomus and this works great, but to combine the two was too appealing to me. Very best 🍻
Mine leaks in the same spots. Not really too much of a concern of my. I plan to seam seal it for thw price lol
I did not expect it to leak and happy with the results of your test .
I am very interested in the larger size version of this tent. I own some other Naturehike tents and none of them leak.
I am a bit concerned about the design of the stove jack on the larger version though.
Hopefully they will correct it and make it like the smaller.
Thanks for all you do Luke.
🤘😎
Seems like a pretty decent four-season tent, especially for the money.
It would be amazing if you reviewed the new 2023 Naturehike Dune Tent. It's essentially this tent but with head clearance and more windows for 360 views. The Yellow dune colour with black accents looks sick but there are no reviews yet 😐
I just spent the first night in mine. 7 degrees for the low . It took a little bit to get it up. I definitely recommend better stakes . Also a elbow to get the stove pipe away from. The tent. I burnt a pin hole in mine and I will have to patch it
Thanks for sharing your experience with this tent.
Great review
The tent performed well
Thx for all that you do for us
Always fun and informative.
got 2 Naturhike tents, they are great, I havent been up Everest with them, or likely to, but for the UK they are ideal. amazing value for money, mine are 3 Season, which is what I wanted tbh, no condensation and good ventilation, I didnt expect anything else from your Video.
Suggested improvement for your rain testing- rather than guessing how much rain fell, buy an inexpensive rain gauge and put next to the tent for the video so you can show exactly how much rain fell.
Luke, thanks again for another great honest real review. If I were to purchase this tent, it would be not only the price but trust in your honest straight forward review.
Thank you for this comprehensive and informative test. Very good Job.
This tent has gotten me out hot tent camping four times this year. Just did a night where the temps hit -1°F
You turned me onto this tent. I’ve been looking at the bigger version. At 6’ the smaller is tight with a stove. I’d like some room to sit back and relax. Thinking that larger one will provide that. If I decided to do a couple nights the second room could store my gear.
Hello from Norway 🙋♀️
Thanks for your honest reviews!
I'm seriously considering this one.
Wow a 3 season hot tent the performs at that price. Thank you Luke.
Like Luke said "Humidity makes all the differance depending where u live" - im in Arkansas and we have high humidity in the late spring to early fall and low humidity in the late fall to early spring - an example would be like Sunday it was 30 degrees with a humidity of 46%
I also bought this. Very nice! Slept in the bug net in the middle of summer and was perfectly comfortable. I threw down a tarp as a ground sheet, but would love advice on the perfect Tyvek ground sheet as well as size. The tent measures 230cm (down to 210cm) wide and 360cm long. What would the perfect dimensions be for this tent? I'm looking forward to a winter trip as well.
That's one AWESOME tent thank you for the great review 🙂
Id not be concerned at all regarding the minor leaks with that tent, nothing a bit of seam sealant couldn't fix..very impressive performance from the tent in my opinion. I own several Naturehike tents & all are extremely waterproof,the only slight concerns i have with mine are the strength or potential lack of strength of the poles, personally ive never had a pole break but i do know numerous people who have had pole failure with Naturehike tents but for the price they are very good shelters in my opinion.
Seems like a very solid option for a 4th season tent. As far as temperatures and moisture, the same can be said for summer temperatures. 90 degrees in Ohio is not the same as 90 degrees in Florida.
The tent seems okay if you will stay out of snow country in Winter.
Funny thing about the Cold/Humidity Bit. I've met people from Alaska who came to the Midwest and say the complete Opposite but for the same reasons. Here our Lower Humidity makes it seem Colder to Them.
Great work Luke.
This & all your other product "tests" are real in every sense of the word, out in Mother Natures weather, not just a backyard weather event.
Getting up & going outside in bad weather to film what the tent/weather were actually like took a lot of your time, effort, & equipment - no shortcuts.
Tests like this are WHAT separates your channel from all other youtube "Review" channels.
PLease consider testing this tent in bad weather while using a stove, to see how well or poorly it does in retaining heat & how much or how little condensation takes place. I'm thinking the tent is sorely in need of a floor.
Warm Regards from Reno, Nevada.
Beautiful ty Luke
Luke, I knew that tent wasn't going to link I knew the tent was going to be dry
Been looking at this sense it came out. Thinking will get one before spring and try it out
Which stove will you use?
@@azclaimjumperone of the two I currently own. Woods walker or a pomoly one
I need another tent like I need a hole in the... ;) But since Luke's positive recs = sold out product and/or prices up 25%, it might be prudent to pick one up now! 😂 BTW, I see it at $299 plus a $30 off coupon on Amzn, now. Thanks, Luke, from Seattle!
Excellent comment.
Thanks for such a detailed test and review. Is it normal for 4-season tents not to have a floor? I would have thought otherwise.
Have you thought about a rain gauge to setup next to the tent, for a read on how much rain has actually hit it?
2 problems i see with this test
1. When you have a tarp or footprint sticking out past the outer layer of the tent , that causes water to pool up under the inner .
2. Not sleeping in the tent in the tent during these conditions doesnt take into account the condesation factor during these conditions .
3. I agree , it seems like a great for the money . That being said once naturehike gets wind of this review , it wouldnt suprize me if they jack the price . Just sayin
Awesome review on a great value tent!
Hey I think they got the new update version of this tent, called SHAN HE solo, which is only 2.24kg total. which is light enough for hiking as a 2 person tent.
I have this tent, mine was out for 2 days, no leaks in the rain but I’ll give it a second look
Massif seems to be hard to find now. You know if it's been renamed to Mountain Peak? (At least by the looks of it).
This video was tooooo short! ❤❤❤
Can't recommend that tent enough, I've used it in hot temps in Spain and 50mph winds and 0°c and I am very impressed.
I do motocamping and the pack size is ideal for motorcycling.
Luke, every time you’ve done a Nature Hike review, the price immediately jumped up within the week. Across the board I’ve seen huge price jumps. Just a FYI. But I do love the reviews.
I absolutely love your reviews, are u using a blue filter. It seems different. Like the woods and trees are blue tinted. ?
Excellent review thanks..
I vote for a review of the larger Massif
Very impressive results.
Good vid. Is that tent going to be a keeper for you?
Humidity is such a devil.. I’ve found the same with heat. I lived in Texas where the temps were in the triple digits but without humidity but I’ve also lived in Florida where temps would be only in the upper 80’s with high humidity.. and to me it felt way hotter in Florida. 😂
Excellent video
Luke, I took screenshots of the critical information that I posted moments ago about the Naturehike Massif tent right after I hit the "Comment" button. I was trying to alert potential buyers to an existing and documented problem with the tent in heavy snowfall conditions. Minutes later, I no longer see those comments here--are you now deleting such comments? If so, it would seem to me that your channel has lost it authenticity and value to (perhaps former) views such as me. If UA-cam itself, or some other entity, is removing such comments, then you should know about it!
There's a bot lurking the channel, probably from one of these ChinaCo. companies he keeps promoting, that's reporting some people posts if they say the wrong thing. For me, if I mention any brand or retailer or use a dollar sign in any post it'll get deleted in seconds. I forgot to add, that given the context of your post that was deleted, it wouldn't surprise me if this particular brand is the one responsible, which has actually been my suspicion.
I haven't had mine in rain yet. Only a light snow. I'm curious about it leaking at the stove jack. I'm assuming no leaks at the jack? Do you think a silicone water proofing at the vent peaks would work or perhaps additional seam tape?
I just have to say that the camera shot at 8:40 is chilling. Looks like something is lurking in the distance.
I love this tent and will buy the bigger also 🇸🇪
Nights have been in the low teens, F, the past week and a half on the East Coast, let's see what he's been testing in this cold snap.
Because it passed the rain test, it has the ability to get in and out without having to worry about the floor getting wet and the price, I'd buy one.
I have a friend who lives in Colorado. He moved down to Oklahoma, and we worked together for a couple of years. He told me he had never lived in a place where it was so cold in the winter and hot in the summer. People who have not experienced humidity levels as high as we get they are completely astounded.
I was reading Amazon reviews on the 4 person version of this tent and a few reviews had issues with the strength of the poles under heavy snow and the stove jack burning. I was about to buy this tent but for about one to two hundred dollars more I can buy a higher quality tent.
Two questions. One could you tell if it leaked any around the stove jack? I know you don't sleep there just curious. And two is the myth/saying true or not. I was always told to never touch the sides of the tent when it's wet or raining because it will cause it to start leaking? I know you don't want to touch them much in general. Just wasn't sure if the what I was always told is true or not. Or if it is just certain kinds of materials that would do it or not.
I have the Mongar 2, and it’s done well in SE Texas thunderstorms. PS - do you sleep in these tents during your tests, or stay in your warm cabin and monitor it remotely? Asking for a friend.
I need to start camping! 😄
A leak that minor, I would just put some seam seal on that area and be happy.
Do you know anything about the natures hike kota? I was going to buy the bigger version of the tent in this video on Amazon but they offer an even bigger version called the kota. Problem is that it’s not listed on natures hike website so I wasn’t sure if I should buy it or not. Plus they wanted 80 dollars less. Now they are pricing them both at 400 on Amazon. Makes me leery that they offer a 6 person tent for the same price as a 4 and the day before it was offered for$319.
good reiew. is there a rain fly for this tent?
Good afternoon from Syracuse NY brother and thank you for sharing your equipment testing
Thank you!