A͏s͏mongold Reacts To "Arthas Did Nothing Wrong" - Hirumaredx
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- Опубліковано 11 кві 2020
- Asmongold watches a video by Hirumaredx, who tells the story of one of the greatest heroes and villains in World of Warcraft's history, The Lich King Arthas...
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arthas: father is it over?
king teranas menethil: no the mount didnt drop, they will be back next week
This joke is old af
TRUU
Lmao
lol doood
Lmao
“How do you know Hitler wasn’t mind controlled by a rune blade?”
Because it wasn’t in the lore.
That cracked me up, also made me think of some terrible jokes I won’t say.
But US lore is not canon, it's a fanfic
Say them pussy
@@ventu7907 oh gosh, I have no idea what I was going to say 8 months ago lol.
@@austinwilburn1772 neither do I you got any good ideas
I would rather assimilate Arthas with United States in the '45 when they dropped the nuke in Japan. It killed people, destroyed homes, but in the end it stopped WW2. And as Asmon said with the 100 people that are gonna die and turn into undeads and kill more people, the same would have happened if US didn't drop the bomb. Japan wanted badly to extend and dominate the lands around them and murder hundreds of thousands or even millions.
Hitler being controlled by a dreadlord is definitely in the lore.
He WAS the Dreadlord.
That's what happened in the bible Pepega
asmon learned that a couple of days ago... he didnt know here
nah the jailer was he
hitler argument= no arugment
Imagine if they made a movie about Arthas' journey from before the culling of strat to his defeat in northrend. Call it "Arthas" with Henry Cavill playing Arthas. That should would be dope. would easily be best movie of the year.
No way to fit all that in 1.5 hours and do it justice. Give us a trilogy or a Netficc series and I'm in
@@ekin4260 itd be 3.5 hours dumbass
@@barkley8285 That's why he said it wouldn't fit in 1.5 hours. Dumbass.
@@painmail shut up bitch. Who comes up with a 1 and a half hour movie for warcraft. Thats like making avengers 5, 1 hour long lmfao.
@@barkley8285 Get off the internet, weeb.
"Everyone who's tapped Jaina ends up being a Raid Boss or has already been a Raid Boss and dies"
It's crazy when you realise that's actually true huh.
not yet, thrall is not dead yet.
@@devilo1234 hahaha
@@devilo1234 Same with Kalecgos as he still alive
Besides Arthas, who would that be ? She's with Kalecgos now right ?
@@BlackSheep1922 Kael'thas Sunstrider
Also in Stratholme, Arthas literally killed like two people and then the rest just turned into zombies already
This left out some of the shady stuff he did in Northrend before finding Frostmourne.
- His soldiers wanted to leave from the harsh conditions and seemingly endless goal of fighting off the undead, so he hired mercenaries to secretly burn down his ships so they couldn't leave.
- He then blamed and killed the mercenaries when his soldiers found out.
So it definitely was an obsession.
it would have been worth the sacrifice from a utilitarian standpoint if he could end the plague,.
But from a hindsight point of view that could never have happened as the dread lord was ultimately not the mastermind behind it.
@@MegaHuntress True but even the idea of traveling all the way to Northrend because a Dreadlord said so has "Trap" written all over it. But at that point he was blind to because of his obsession and he pushed away and council he had before that could of told him otherwise.
@@tylerd80495
Oh for sure.
Going there was a poor choice he made out of rage, even if it was somewhat justified.
He would have been much better off gathering up the Paladins who at least had some experience in dealing with the undead first.
( Guldan used Undead death knights back in the first war and was why Paladins became a thing in the first place )
Much of Arthas faults come from his short temperament and stubbornness.
The fact he was quick to anger and action and never consulted with anyone once he set his mind to things was what doomed him in the end even if he always had good intentions.
I just wanted to point out that he did the best could out of it even if that massively backfired on him and was very much morally grey...
But you know... what can you expect when you walked into a trap like that...
@@MegaHuntress thing is, he’s portrayed as a virtuous hero, and sure you could say ultimately it was good, but that means you specifically did wrong for a bigger good.
@@PoorEdward
*But that is exactly the point* .
He *WAS* a hero to his people.
Virtue is based on morals, and morals are based on your ideology.
The definition of the Utilitarianism ideology is that " *the end justifies the means* ".
So as long as his actions bring the most happiness to the largest amount of people that is the morally correct choice even if that includes lies and murder.
The classic example is to go back in time to kill baby hitter to save the jews.
killing one baby would theoretically save millions of people by killing one person.
And thus its not morally wrong to kill Hitler.
From a Utilitarianism point of view, Most things Arthas did was for the greater good of his people *as far as he knew at the time* .
Both the burning of Stratholm and betraying his mercenaries at Northrend would have saved more lives.
Thus it would have been the morally correct choice.
All of this wouldn't have happened if King Terenas listened to Mediv and moved to Kalimdor.
Its as if you asked 18th century British Empire to move to Ireland to survie some sort of war. It couldn't happen.
*forces his people to drop their lives and move overseas*
"A bird told me to do it"
@@notbrad4873 I mean, a bird that fucking transformed into a man in front of you, with the head of Dalaran / the Kirin Tor present and not able to do a goddamn thing about it, or even understand what fucking crazy magic he was seeing. If bird man knows magic your literal "president of magic" doesn't, then maybe he might be onto something
@@NtelosCity That's exactly what I thought. Also based on the history of Mediv, Mediv was supposedly a lunatic in another life. I blame Uther for being willfully ignorant. as the saying goes: "Evil Prevails when good men do nothing"
Truth be told, I wouldn't say Medivh is the most to be trusted though xD He might have been fully one of the good guys otherwise, but as it stand, he still was corrupted by Sargeras even before his birth, he is the reason the Dark Portal was opened in the first place, hard to tell what parts of his actions are his own, or Sargeras's
Tbh, you could make a trilogy about Arthas.
1. His life as a good man(lessons from muradin/uther as a young adult, up to killing mal'ganis)
2. His time as a death knight in Lordaeron, destroying his kingdom, the high elves and manipulating Illidan
3. The climactic war to save the Lich King, ending with the legendary duel against Illidan and him donning the helm of domination
That is quite literally the Warcraft 3 campaign, my dude. Lol. But yeah, they could do a lot more. A God of War style hack n slash joint as Arthas burninating across Lordaeron would be pretty dope. Come to think of it, what was that game from a few years back..? Uh... Darksiders, was it? The one with the horseman of the apocalypse or whatever- that was basically Arthas with a red cloak. He had the Fabio hair and giant runeblade and everything. Huh... surprised I never noticed that...
@@KyleJordanGaming Not a lot of people are interested in going back and playing an RTS, which is already niche as shit. WoW exposed the warcraft lore to a larger group of people. A movie or something would expose it to a larger audience as well.
Just stay tf away from live action. One Piece is an anomaly, I think we can all agree.
Papa Menethil: "No king rules forever, my son."
Arthas: "Icy."
Akajjajajaa
Loooooooooooool
I laughed way too hard at this than I should have 😂 Thank you
Even as Lich King, he had the intention to defeat the Legion (good intention) should they ever attack again. Sure, all life on Azeroth would be undead (bad action), but for the greater good, the defeat of the Legion.
Also, bonus points for potential Old God influence - immunity, if the Void were about to attack the Scourge.
Yeah, it's really the good intention, when cartel A wants do defeat cartel B. It's all for the greater good 😅😅 not for own power and the fact Scourge was a vassal of the legion.;)
The whole argument for Arthas is built on judging the intentions behind the actions. The intentions behind wanting to repel a Legion invasion is so Kil'jaedan doesn't absolutely shred Ner'zhul/Arthas's ass for an eternity. Nothing to do with the greater good.
Murdering every living being = "The greater good"
🤔
Steve Schoenbach thanos technically didnt kill them, is still a bad action though
What's the point of saving the planet if nobody remains to enjoy the peace?
"Hitler was not controled by the cursed blade..... this is in the lore" XD
😂😂😂😂😂😂
we live in simulation confirmed.
@Johannes Terzis Get your nazi bullshit out of my videogame videos
@@zeratulrus142 actually if you deeply look into ww1 and the start of ww2 from Hitler's perspective, then it would be debatable.
Not trolling.
@@papabeer95 Having motivation is not the same as "doing nothing wrong" or being maligned. Everyone has a motivation, sometimes more complex than "I hate X", doesn't justify much.
"everyone who taped jaina is a raid boss becomes a raid boss or dies" what about thrall?
idk about him but i know that prince kael'thas was interested in her, and look at him now, XD.
thrall got turned into a vision boss lmao
The amusing part here is so far only Arthas was the one that 'taped' Jaina, and there is a chance that Kalecgos
did it as well, but overall her sex life was quite dry
He did have his personality ripped in four once and went nuts. He also turned into a hippie and left the horde. It seems like she dooms them to go crazy in some way.
This confirms the fact that she is a dreadlord. Everyone who tapped her had some mental shit
Just read "Arthas: Rise of the Lich King". It's 10/10, very insightful.
I love that book. My problem with Arthas is that nobody seems to take into account where he murders the child and Nerzhul, and how pretty much everything after that is just him. Sure controlled by Frostmourne, but still.
@@AKrisizations was just about to comment that :D
@@AKrisizations I was thinking about the exact same thing, after that even though he is "controlled", he is the dominant part of the symbiosis with Nerzhul, he has the power to turn it around, but just choses not to
Yes, that book was fantastic.
Cîrtoaje Teodor without a soul. It’s like you’ve been ripped from your morality. No fear, no regrets and definitely no mercy. That’s what frostmourne took from Arthas
He was abandoned by his mentor and by his lover, when the situation was most dire. Absolute disgrace.
There's a video or something somewhere that shows that most of the bad shit that happens in WoW is somehow connected to Jaina being her fault directly or indirectly.
@@Jgtack Everything in Warcraft lore is indirectly connected with one another. I mean you can start reading at Sargeras Lore on his Wiki page and end up at a random named murloc a few pages later.
@@DrDanielRoberto That's not exactly what I meant.
Arthas did not simp and became a chadcel to lead a army of Bone(r)s!
@@tamask7749 Stop using retarded buzzwords
And now in Shadowlands, we can finally spit on Uther.
At his shrine in the plague lands isnt there a quest that he appears as a ghost?
I can see a new class called Purified Warrior
ah yeah the dreadlord, Syphilis
William HOward you can’t spit on a ghost. I can’t wait until SL. Uther is a fucking disgrace
@@ReptarTheUgly i mean by that logic arthas is a disgrace. they both did what they thought was right, which is a core failing of a paladin, over zealousness.
Arthas was doing the best he knew he could do with the knowledge he had.
Uther was doing the best he knew he could do with the knowledge he had as well.
They both were. That's why it was a good and emotional story.
No, Uther *didn't do anything at all* , he just run away from a tough decision.
Then Uther was truly dumb and had no knowledge at all if he left his student when he needed him most. Did he try to understand Arthas? Sure arthas was an impulsive kid, but it is Uther's duty to adapt to Arthas' behaviour and guide him. He didn't even propose any solution, nor understood why the town had to be destroyed, just effing left Arthas who later had to deal with the most dangerous and cunning demons alone. That's a helluva mentor I say.
The morally grey part is where he didn't know which villagers are infected and which are not. Not all of them were compromised, but the only way to know for sure is to wait... which means they turn undead and attack/infect others. So you have to kill villagers that were otherwise fine and could have been saved, but you don't know which ones are like that.
If you Remember,he had to do this not Just Simply in order to stop the plague spreading, but even to save their souls to become doomed to serve Forever the scourge
Uther did warn him: we are Paladins, vengeance can never be apart of what we do.
Uther a few years later :not vengence "justice". (This paladin code really isn't working huh XD)
From 18:25 to 18:33
you can see that asmongold is thinking about everyone who has tapped Jaina and his realization that it is true and surprised on that specific fact throughout WOW history
@@Otakahunt Thrall definitely never tapped Jaina tho'. Friendzoned. "You're a nice guy and all, but...."
Just amazes me no one tried to get through to Arthas after his downfall. Not Uther and not even Jaina. No one tried to help.
"morally grey" means something that contentious morally (i.e. genocide to save others)
When people say something is morally grey, they aren't necessarily speaking the language of logic. What they mean is that when a morally good action makes you, as an individual, do something that doesn't instinctually feel right (like killing 100 people) it's considered morally grey.
I think the term relates to the perceived feeling of the moral decision, not whether the decision itself is right or wrong.
@Loser 123 there are situations where you could be right by killing 100 innocent people, but it's called "morally grey" because it feels wrong to take that action. That's all I'm saying, morally grey doesn't mean morally wrong. It only describes a difficult situation for the empathic individual
Morally grey is when it's morally right but bleeding hearts will insist it's morally wrong.
Pulling the lever is the only acceptable decision. Doing nothing is akin to murder.
@Loser 123 As opposed to being brutally attacked by Arthas. I mean, I'm not disagreeing with the general point, but that's not the strongest argument
What’s right and wrong are based on the individuals morals, so you can’t say an action is inherently right or wrong.
@@Maltesfilm I'm an individual with my own morals, so yes I can say what's right and wrong.
Thanks for confirming that.
Someone in the chat: "That's not morally grey"
Asmon "How is that not morally grey?!" ....proceeds to explain at long length how it's morally grey.
Someone else in the chat "That's the definition of morally grey"
Asmon gets mad and starts explaining how it's not morally grey but morally white :D
@@richardshiflett5181 The problem is that Arthas was killing everyone, without checking if they are gonna transform of not.
Like (for example) of 1000 people he killed, only 500 transformed into zombies.
Dude don't be an idiot and explain Uther what exactly is going on. He's one of the strongest palladins you have ever know, I'm pretty sure with his assistance you wouldn't need to kill innocent civilians. And there are people who hadn't transformed, since people were dealing with corpses, that Arthas just left to rot and spread deseases. But no, of course he wouldn't think beforehand.
Does Uther (lorewise) have some AOE light spells?
@@xpotoh356 Thats not an argument that he didnt know who was infected. The problem was Mal'ganis was already there to sack them into his army. You know the scourge can ressurect dead people with their necromancers ? They dont need the grain to make them undead, it was a just a genius plan to how get it fast into the whole population. Its easier to make them undead without needing an army to kill them beforehand you know. That the reason they burned the cities and the dead bodies so they werent able to be ressurected by the scourge. It doesnt matter if the are infected or not, Arthas knew that. It was the only logical solution, otherwise they would have all been part of the undead army and they werent be able to stop them anymore. It was the only solution and the only logical one, there is nothing moraly grey about it, only people like you not understanding the situation.
@@ChristmasLore There is nothing evil, not even partly evil when you kill already death marked people that would transform into undead killing probably thounsand or even millions because the army would rise to a power to be unstopable. It was the only logical and good solution to safe the human species from exstinction. This has nothing do to with moraly grey even the difintion you find online anywhere doesnt come close to a situation where you need to sacrifice little to safe the whole damn fucking world. Noone in their god damn mind would thing this is some how partly evil, just an idiot would assume so.
Road to hell is paved with good intentions.
But it was a shit game
@@charlessmith299 do you mean Ride to Hell
Women's rights are paved with the bones and blood of the innocents
@@xenech Indeed.
@@xenech indeed
"Uther, these people have under 3 hours to live. When time's up, they're going to turn in to the undead, literally right where they stand/collapse, on the spot. No arguments, 'to battle' "
HUZZAH!
The Lich King isn't a bad thing either, they said that someone has to be the Lich King to control the armies of the Undead. Without a Lich King, the Undead armies will roam free. So Arthus being the Lich King was also a good thing for humanity as its the reason the Undead Armies were held back from destroying everything. Arthus saved Azeroth as the Lich King.
It's not so black and white imo, Arthas being the first Lich King amassed that whole army that could wipe Azeroth. If the helm of domination was left frozen at the throne there would be no Scourge strong enough to do that.
didnt the lich king actually hold off on invading till he was absolutely sure nothing would stop him? I remember him saying something along the lines of that
@@Veradux-pm2xj I believe he held off invading most of azeroth due to his mortal side, arthas side rejecting his decision as the lich king. And both of his souls were fighting against each other
@@momentous4321 yet in the book arthas actually destroyed ner'zhul AND his humanity. So the humanity people say arthas had is gone
@@Veradux-pm2xj damn i forgot nerzhul was the first lich king damn idk how i forgot that
I read this book in like 8th grade and its what got me into WoW in the first place. I remember at the time exorcism did double damage and was instant cast but only against undead. I was leveling a paladin in duskwood and reading the book when I wasn't allowed on the computer. It was fucking epic
"This is all my fault, *I* deserve this" - Paladin who's about to kill someone else who _didn't_ deserve this, instead of casting holy light
Arthas hired mercenaries to strand his men in northrend effectively dooming them to death. Afterwards, he turns on the mercenaries and helped his men kill the same mercenaries he hired. All of this was before he took up frostmourne. Guy was obsessed with revenge and became a bad dude before he was cursed. The turning point for him becoming a villain was after he culled stratholme. Slaughtering his own people scarred him beyond repair and mal'ganis twisted his mind. Revenge is a very common way to ruin good-hearted people.
I used to think arthas was a good character, but after playing warcraft 3 again, the dude kinda always had a dark side and a very aggressive stance on everything hes embodied a warrior much more then a paladin and I think that's where he went wrong. Uther tried to show him the way of the paladin. But arthas never should of gone down that path. He should of became a great warrior like varian.
@Lycan neither is sargeras, but the ends do not justify the means. Sargeras has no problem destroying entire worlds to stop the voidlords. Same way arthas has no problem slaughtering countless individuals and helpless children to, stop the plague and malganis. I believe if arthas wasn't so set in his ways and didnt cull strath. Then I could believe he was a good person. But good people will not harm already suffering ppl. Even if it was the right choice it's still the worst one.
@@vigorousvoid5330 Arthas was misguided, he thought if he killed Mal'Ganis, the scourge would go away, so that's why he was ready to sacrifice everything. If he knew Mal'Ganis was literally just a random dreadlord who would've come back anyways, he wouldn't have gone to such extreme measures.
@@lectan1514 There is a difference between sacrifice and desire. He said he would bare any curse if it would save his people but that would be the equivalent of someone saying they would kill their loved one if it saved them from death. Arthas wouldn't do the right thing and in any givin situation he would let his desire to do what HE thought was right, rather then listen and take the advise from his most trusted advisors. He was a selfish egotistical prick. Who never once cared about forming a plan or listening to more experienced individuals who could of come up with a way to save everyone without killing them. Remember how the ashbringer was purified into the holy weapon it is today? I believe the same could of happened to the scourge if only arthas wasn't so brash and on his high horse of being king. In truth he was a powerhungry murderer, who only wanted what was he thought was best and only him. That's why arthas is a bad person who became an evil cold blooded killer who would go out of his was to kill a child without hesitation. In his own mind nothing matters more then his way even if there could be an alternative.
@Uden One-Eye "the very forest of lorderan whispered the name, ARTHAS" No there was definitely some mystical bullshit that defined what path arthas was going to go down long before he culled strath and before he picked up frostmourne. Hell even ner'zhul had seen all the visions of arthas becoming a deathknight way before he was even close to becoming one. It was his destiny.
There is a curse-word(sentance) in Bosnian that wraps this up nicely and it goes roughly like this: "I wish you have a long live, and a heavy disease". Arthas killing them before they turned undead is bad. And in the W3 campaign i remember NOT ALL VILLAGERS were threatened to be ghoulafied. He didnt know which was plagued and which werent and he decided to KILL ALL.
Arthas really was obsessed with killing Mal'Ganis. he even said "damn the men! i'll have my vengeance!" Its clear from the book that Arthas was really mad at HIMSELF for killing his horse, and he had some serious PTSD. he took his anger and put it on Mal'Ganis because Mal'Ganis put him in a situation just like with Invincible where he had to put down innocents. he was trying to kill the pain of regret..... tragic stuff my dudes.
Ah. This was from the time when writing a story was pure art. Good times, man
"The only way you can defeat the burning legion is to turn into the lich king and create an army."
I think that is what Ner'Zhul was whispering to him. Idk though
Arthas was just another example of: "not what he said but how he said it..."
That ending 😂😂 Jaina a Dreadlord, confirmed
Just think about a movie that shows arthas life out of his perspective, with voices in his head telling him so much stuff that the watching people really think he does a good thing, and at the end of the movie when he dies everything gets clear
I always point to that cutscene in Northrend where Arthas kills his younger self and Nerzhul.
My theory is after that 'The Lich King' became his own being.
It's like the trolley problem except if the single guy tied to the tracks would die anyway. Like you have one track where the trolley goes in circles for a few minutes and then kills the one guy and then five more people, or you can pull the lever and it kills the single guy immediately but not the other five. Not really much of a moral dilemma.
He wasn’t under mind control. The sword stole his soul. He basically had no moral compass. In Warcraft 3 tichordrius or however you spell that dread lords name tells arthas that his soul was the first it stole and arthas replied “then I’ll have to make do without one”
So, mind control.
Jack Evans no
@@ashtonbrown2807 But actually, yes
Is mind control, is just like Sylvanas, she was a pawn of Arthas but she got free because Arthas was losing his powers to control the undead.
So Arthas, Sylvanas and every "human" look NPC (exclude the undeads) was normal people who got kill or taken their soul and resurrect as Death Knights (only his body).
Is like the final fight with arthas in ICC. When you got kill he want to resurrect you as a champion of the scourge
So death knights were puppets of the Lich King but they got free because they were to "evolved" or "intelligent" to control them and requires more power and they get back their souls but now have the power to control the force of the scourge.
So, he basically became a sociopath.
"Everyone who tapped Jaina turns into a raid boss, was a raid boss, or dies"
Asmongold: [56k modem noises] o.o... oh god, its true...
Good to get some informative insight for a change totally illuminating.
“Heal him you’re a paladin!” Fucking made my day XDDD
its incredible how much foreshadowing was put into arthas' story with invicible and the ravine
Moral of the story is , i feel bad for *Invincible*
C. Golden book was released much later than WarCraft III. It's practically fan fic.
Frostmourne stole his Soul after he picked it up. He even commented on it to Tichondrius that without it he no longer feels any shame remorse or pity.
Let's get something straight. Nerhzul is the one true Lich King. Arthas was merely his vessel. The Lich King led Arthas to Frostmourne and the curse to wield the sword took nearly all of his soul. When he put on the helm of Domination, Nerzul merged with that small amount of humanity that was left of Arthas soul. That's what kept the undead from taking over Azeroth. So Uther really fucked up in his rush for justice. And the other thing is, Anduin might actually be the son of Arthas and Jaina =) See the parallels?
Movie Idea (Trilogy)
Movie 1 : Arthas - Fall of Stratholme (Movie end after Stratholme)
Movie 2 : Arthas - The cursed Blade (Movie end after he picks up Frostmourne)
Movie 3 : Arthas - Rise of the king (Movie begins with the throne scene and end with him becoming the Lich King)
I always wondered why Jaina just didn’t portal ahead and stop people from eating the poisoned grain. That might have helped.
I mean, if i had to choose between instant death with no pain or suffering or dying from an illness and turn into a zombie who would kill and eat people.
I think i would go with option number 1 ^^
The Ascended made the same mistake as Arthas when they threw his soul into the maw.
the moment asmond realised the jaina thingy is my favorite part of the vid X''D
And with the new bastion cinematic, it makes even more sense. Devos knew that arthas would likely not get sent straight to the maw since Arthas the MAN wasnt the real evil, it was frostmourne and the helm of domination. People are asking why her and Uther had to throw him in the Maw themself, when it should have just happened anyway. But it probably WOULDNT have happened. The Arbiter would have probably sent Arthas to Revendreth to atone. But they circumvented that and threw him in the Maw, breaking the engine of Death, and causing all the problems. So Im gonna go out on a limb and say we have to rescue the "good" Arthas from the Maw in shadowlands.
This whole thing could have been avoided by two things.. 1. Arthas didn't make the jump on the Ravine with Invincible. 2. A traveling healer stumble on Arthas and Invincible during the snowstorm and help them / healing invincible to stop the bleeding and closing the wound so the horse would survive.
An important bit was left out here. Arthas killed Nerzhul in his consciousness, and his younger self as well. So it got to a point where he was the only in control. I can't remember when this part took place but at some point he was his only person. No longer under an influence.
It's in the book, It was depicted as a meeting at a table. I don't remember much tho.
@@sanducosmin7427 yes it was in the book.
18:30 sudden realization
In the beginning at the death of Artas I let out a tear.... It's not the first time.
Since some people don’t seem to understand: a morally grey action is an action that yields good results but feels wrong to do.
Clepto A morally grey action is something that isn’t inheritely bad or good. Not purging the infected in this scenario would cause more death than purging thus making purging morally right.
What about something that yields bad results but feels very good to do.
Asking for a friend haha
@@sebbe3391 That's not true though. "Morally grey" is the trolley problem. You can decrease the amount of deaths, but you'd be deciding who lives and who dies.
Ekin Except this isn’t the trolley problem, it’s do or die. Either you purge the COMPLETELY infected town thats also under siege by Mal’ganis and his undead or you and everyone else on the planet dies. These arent mindless undead, they still have their human souls and can think, they’re just controlled by Mal’ganis
@@steel5897 Your friend looking to become a champion? I see forsenCD
Any pet owner knows what its like to be Arthas. That's why he is the most relateable and liked character in the WoW universe
Thats so true It still hurts.... time to find my stratholm and RULE THE LANDS OF THE NORTH
Arthas was truly just a grieving horse boy
More like hes the most popular because he was the main character of the alliance throughout the warcraft series lol
@@slimthecatdad on one hand yes....on other hand horse boy. Eh eh hmm
Yes totally relatable. I had to sacrifice my puppy and now I am a mass shooter
The path the hell is paved with good intentions. Sums up Arthas nicely.
Did you put on Nitro boost to put this Video up? Gawd damn
Arthas should have been holy spec.
R.I.P. Spot 2020...
Frostmourne allows a link from the lk to the wielder of frostmourne the reason arthas was feeling bad for what he done afterwards was because the helmet was removed from him which is what binds you to nerzhul
Biggest thing I learned from this video was from the end: career prospects of Jaina's friends -with benefits-
Either soon to be a raid boss, or soon to be a life insurance payout
I hope we see Arthas in shadowlands and help in the defeat of Sylvanus
Anas Ahbouch nha i don’t think arthas character story is already end and there’s no need to continue the plot of the character
Let's hope for other things.
they said in an interview that arthas aint coming back. he hella dead dead
He saw only darkness before him. No afterlife, no shadowlands.
@@mydude5926 hes dead like emperor palpatine.
i was hoping he'd notice the capital letters in the description spelling out april fools
They tried to turn Anduin Wrynn into the new Arthas in shadowlands.
Frostmourne takes souls from its victims, by taking it, it took Arthas' soul first. It was even engraved into the socket and Murradin said it to Arthas
Does this mean Arthas is in Shadowlands.
Blizzard have denied him being in there numerous times. But you never know he may end up being the one pulling the strings on the Jailer.
He saw only darkness before him. No afterlife, no shadowlands.
Only if the expansion doesn't do well.
@@FeinryelRavenclaw Arthas ended up in the Maw, it has been said before.
Uden One-Eye Have you seen the shadowlands? It isn’t dark at all. Most of the time it’s rather pleasant. And there is NO WAY that Arthas deserves being in the maw. There is no way the Arbiter sent him there, if he ever arrived, which I doubt. I believe he went to the void.
"The road to Hell is paved with good intentions."
(11:00) Now there is an alternate timeline story or mini-expansion/dungeon to explore: What if Arthas couldn't resist the Lich King at all and the undead were immediately mobilised across all of Azaroth?
Could even keep it ambiguous as to what happened until you loot an alternate Lich King Arthas only to find Jaina's Locket isn't on him.
Arthas is basically a victim of circumstance.
Everything in warcraft was happening this way.
Back in TBC, I was much into lore. I remember talking with my friends about Illidan. They were convinced that he was evil etc.
Should've seen their eyes when he came back in legion.
Don't talk about lore with people who play wow for gameplay ;D They don't see the bigger picture, nor do they care.
@@theshaman415 Well yeah, that's actually right but imagine, someone doesn't care about lore but still spreading misinformations about it.
@@Sslifer01 I find it hard to understand, even before Legion I immediately understood what drove Illidan and not once did I ever think he was being evil.
I was literally in that damn raid in Black Temple and when we got to him all I could think about was "why are we fighting this guy?"
And then Uther takes his soul and yeets him into the maw
uther failed arthas twice boomer mind
Which is probsbly a bad thing considering its established that even the most disgustingly evil souls get 1 last chance in Revendreth before they go to the Maw, the implication was that if they didnt drop him there personally he would've had a chance at redemption in Reven
@@hyperjgaming5768 i do hope that we see arthas' soul, and maybe he can get redemption.
11:22 so anyone who has read the book remember what he saw when he first sat on the frozen throne and froze in ice?
It was a vision where there was him, his child self, representing old Arthas, and Ner'zul. And hi came up to his child self and stabbed him, and then he did the same with Ner'zul, representing that he was in control, and neither his old self, nor Ner'zul could tell him what to do.
Some horse: (dies)
Azeroth: (nervously sweating)
I blame Arthas for not getting Invincible in over 14 years
This video is ignoring all the evil shit Arthas did before he even touched the sword.
Like what? He purged Stratholme because everyone had touched the poisoned grain. They could either die, or become an undead monster and kill people.
@@Gloom_Shroom_GamingHe chased Mal'ganis to northrend with his army but his men started to lose faith of surviving in the icy hell and king Terenas requsted Arthas and his men to return after getting informed by Uther. Arthas got so desperate that he hired mercenaries and took down the ships so that his men can't return. When his men had arrived he accused mercenaries of taking down the ships and killed the mercenaries. You should play warcraft 3 or read the book. Arthas started to lose his mind way before he even touched the blade
@@MultiBahader I suppose that is one big mistake of his, but other than that I don't really see human Arthas as a villain. I'm sure there's more I'm missing since there is A LOT to WoW lore.
@@Gloom_Shroom_Gaming The book Rise of the Lich King covers all these parts basically. It's a great book if you are interested about Arthas's story (even thou it seems that most of the stuffs were retconed because of Jailor)
I like how the author takes some facts from arthas' book (like how invincible died), and completely ignores others like the human part of arthas which was shown in the book (the little boy inside Lich King's mind)
once again, it's 'you either die as a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villian.' feeling sad for arthas.. I hope he gets a redemption arc in the shadowlands.
Sadly, he did not
nah, quarantine of some variety would be the better decision, the options are not "do nothing" or "kill the infected."
you've got a mage right behind you who can teleport fucking cities all across the world, obviously if some dumbass undead rotbrain could think of the plague then the best minds of the living must be able to find some kind of cure. But does that thought ever come across?
Arthas did not make the right decision, he made a hasty one. Just like he did with invincible. IF he hadn't offed his horse he maybe probably could've been diagnosed by a vet or healed by a healer.
there isnt a cure for the scourge cause you cant cure death
@@dockbrendel9387 That's not stopping Sylvanas, nor did it stop Arthas' older sister, Calia.
Arthas did do something wrong, he lost hope, but worse he failed to listen to those around him that still clung to it, despite his good intentions.
@@dantesunderland4121 That's not for you to decide, and it wasn't for Arthas to decide. And if you think that, try to argue Donald Trump murdering everyone he thinks is doomed to die of Covid-19 would be ethical, moral, or even slightly justified from his point of view. You can't. and it is the same.
@@dantesunderland4121 Uh, no dude, you could still contain it, there's plenty of stockades, not that you'd need it, his army out weighed the undead that could emerge immensely, and they could hold out for a cure, there has been a few instances of it being cured, and it can be cured by holy light, and there's tons of classes in game that cure disease. Where was a priest when you needed them.
The after effects of the plague also isn't set in stone, it doesn't necessarily mean that you'll become part of the scourge, people with strong willpower and intelligence broke free from it and became the forsaken, undead with their own will power and intellect intact.
There was no reason for the Culling of Stratholme, Uther and Jaina knew this. Even his own army men abandoned him, the ones you keep bringing up, would've rather died killing risen corpses than innocent people. He furthermore charged them all with treason for being capable of reason when he was not. And how would he even know who ate the plagued grain? "Doomed to die" By whose determinations? Only Arthas'. How many of the innocent people he murdered were potentially not even infected? More than would've died if they'd just waited out for a cure in quarantine until they had to slay the undead creatures that would rise with their obviously superior numbers?
And just to go back to his precious army men. He burned their ships down later so they couldn't follow the king's orders and lead them straight to their needless death regardless. He did this knowingly and before any influence of Frostmourne, and worse he wouldn't even own up to it when they saw the ships burning, he framed others who had been helping him for what he had done so he could trick his own people into dying for a cause he knew fuck-all about.
I was willing to compromise and say it's a really gray area, but having to say it all, it was all wrong, stupid, honorless, a rash decision of a weak and desperate man who should've known better when everyone who ever loved him turned their back to his needless slaughter, not even Arthas would say what he did was the right thing to do, all we can say is that he atleast believed it to be the right thing to do.
If you read the novel 'Arthas', you see Arthas watch a young child shiver and cry while Ner'zhul laughs at it. The child is the original Arthas who tried to do good, which he tears apart(his heart) later in WoW. Ner'zhul, the original Lich King is killed by Arthas in WoW too. This means there is a NEW Arthas which is the corrupt one created when he got Frostmourne. The Lich King we kill is not the original Arthas, not Ner'zhul, but a newly created Arthas which only has memories of the original being. The original Arthas died when Tyrion destroyed the heart.
Except a small conscious part inside the Lich King,the last pure part of Arthas that was struggling AGAINST the Will of the Lich King to keep him to destroy everything..that small part was fighting with US and for US,not with the Lich King
Blizzard should remember that I started playing WOW because of the Lich King and the Undead theme. Arthas was a true hero. RIP
The story of Arthus can be summed up with "The Road to Hell is pathed with good intentions"
This video has more relevance now than when it came out after the Bastion Afterlives trailer came out. Uther only saw from what he could of on surface and not even that paragon could fathom the idea of anything but an agent of the jailer because they played right into his hand, you activated the jailer's trap card and put things in motion leading to his rise of power. This is why the Shadowlands needs our help when if the Arbiter was able to do its job he probably would of went to Revendreth to atone for his many sins....thanks Uther the Moron.
You can't really argue "he had a heart not to destroy azeroth and kept jaina's locket" at the same time as you say "oh the reason he killed his father and his kingdom was because of the blade being cursed". Even more so that at the time of the supposed cursed blade, it was quite recent and he was still himself not mixed with the lich king. So you can argue the lich king twisted his beliefs to the point where he saw him destroying the kingdom as a greater good kinnda thing but holy shit thats a stretch considering the "oh but he kept jaina's locket"...
Arthas only sees darkness after his death cause when he died the sword broke and uther souls got out. uther's ghost grabed him after he died and sent him into darkness. he did the right thing and would've been released after death as a good but uther got between and put him into the dark by his choice. sry for the english^^
he never got over the death of his horse. it kept eating at him.
Arthas is the epitomy of "The road to hell is paved with good intentions". That being said, he objectively did nothing wrong besides maybe taking up Frostmourne
he did alot of things wrong. First, even if the purge was necessary, he could talk uther into it or atleast explain, why he had to kill them all. Secondly: There was litterly no need to chase after malganis, he purged stratholme, malganis fled to nothrend, he saved his land. His only goal (to kill malganis) was revenge, which is objectively wrong to seek as a king. Then he hired mecenarys and blamed them for destroying the ships, which were send to bring him back home and condemned his people to death=no ships means no way to go back.
Muradin warned him about the curse, about the price he had to pay and he still did it, not to protect his people, but for selfish reasons (revenge).
So yea a lot of objectively wrong decisions he made.
@@FieldMarshall3 If arthas would explain to uther, why he had to purge the city, maybe he would have helped him. Destroying his ships is like condeming them to death, you can't just build ships, you need material, people who know how to build them and time. Remember he was in a frozen land, not many trees, probably no one with him, who knows how to build ships. To build that many ships takes a loong time, they will run out of food etc.
Muradin told him he would lose his soul, sacrifice everything he has and he still took it, not to save his people, it was never about saving his people, it was all about revenge. His friend litterly died before his eyes and he didn't even have the decency to bury him... So yea, sorry but arthas had many flaws.
@Frostmournecould be, but we can only talk about what we know and assuming, that there is more, won't help the argument
Why yes, Jaina and Uther should've killed Arthas where he stood as he stood for certain death on their own people and he indeed abandoned them both as much as they did in kind, but also, no, Billy, his actions were his own and very to the contrary: The purging was absolutely unnecessary. Arthas acted out of fear and very likely killed more than the plague would have otherwise, he had no knowledge of who had actually ate the grain, and they could've stationed troops over contained civilians in case they did die to the plague so they could be dispatched before becoming undead.
This is just objectively true. It's how it's written. The culling of Stratholme is not written to be a righteous act of preventative measures, it's written as it was,to show Arthas for the imperfect paladin Uther said they all were, in his fear-driven passion he became the plague itself, it was little more than a desperate move by a frightened insecure little boy in golden plate armor with a face that had seen 20 silver spoons before he was born doing what he possibly thought needed to be done but only coming from a place of fear and uncertainty, nothing about what he did was pragmatic in the slightest, it was motivated entirely by emotion, there was no longer good intentions in his heart, what was in his heart was fear, and it clouded his better judgement. There is no justification, there is no he walked the hardest path of righteousness for the greater good, for what he did was worse than what two scourges could've done to Hearthglenn or what 50 scourges could've been doing to Brill or Lordaeron itself while he smashed little boys and girls brains in with a hammer in the name of saving his people, which in the end he could not accomplish.
It didn't take Frostmourne to turn Arthas into a monster. And believing that it does robs the cradle, Arthas is a good character because he made these grave mistakes and because they resonate so well with his character AFTER becoming the Lich King, and ultimately because it resonates with Sargeras, leader of the Burning Legion who created the Lich King and the Scourge for the same purpose that Arthas Culled Startholme: to "save" everyone by killing them.
@FrostmourneOkay, why? You know what I'm on about, tf are you on about?
"Kill them now so they can't infect other people, that''s the morally good thing to do" aged like fine milk.
China needed Arthas PepeHands
If the infection has a 100% fatality rate, and once you die you come back to attack and kill other people, then yeah kill those people. But sure pretend this has anything to do with coronavirus lol
@@IcyColdBeveridge It's a joke my dude. Undead doesn't exist in the real world.
Rafael Martins yeah but it’s a bad joke that’s masquerading as some sort of wisdom. That’s why I called it out. It didn’t age like anything because like you said undead people don’t actually exist
@@IcyColdBeveridge I am quoting Asmongold himself, this is not "some sort of wisdom". Where I live there is a saying along the lines of "looking for hair on eggshells" that's what you're doing.
I like how 90% of the live chat dont know what invincible means.
8:28 I think a better example would be if Spot the dog got rabies and has started showing symptoms. Spot now has rabies, the rabies have progressed to where there is no curing it, Spot will suffer and go on to hurt others and infect them with rabies as well. You can do nothing and Spot infects and potentially kills others or you can put Spot down now. I don't think this is morally grey, I think this is the objectively right option. You have to put down Spot the dog so the zombies of Stratholme don't go on to kill and infect others.
was Thrall a raid boss? I mean technically when he was a PVP world boss in Orgrimmar, but like...He did tap Jaina 100%.
Well now we know the jailer was in control and Arthas was just a passenger
no one blamed jon snow
Until picking up diabolically glowing magical weapon, he literally did nothing wrong. Every single of his decisions were logical and necessary. Chasing enemy while he tries to accomplish some new sinister plan? Of course that's right thing to do.
If by chasing you mean doing a suicide charge with your army after the enemy flees from your territory and hiring mercenaries to destroy the means for your troops to return home just so they lose hope of making it out alive of the expedition and fight to the death (and them killing the mercenaries) then yeah pretty nice guy.
@@DsiakMondala well said.
@@DsiakMondala Unironically yes. Basically he was forced to such tactics since his friends abandoned him in Stratholm. If Jaina and Uther stood by his side, suicide charges and creepy artifact hunts would've have been unnecessary.
I'm sure that the entire Silver Hand along Uther, Jaina and Arthas working together would've been enough to quarantine Stratholme. Arthas was more worried about the people of Stratholme joining Mal'Ganis than the threat of their forces as the undead.
What good a quarantine do? It would only make so citizens inside would turn into zombies and their families had to watch their families turn and and kill them.
@@user-lt5gg6xh7r not to mention malganis was already attacking the city how do you quarantine a city that is under siege?!
Don't Care well if it’s under siege from the inside than it wouldn’t be that much more difficult.
@@zombiecarnivore quarantine was not an option
Ah yes, quarantine the scourge filled city, that's a better idea than killing the infected before they can turn.
The first victim of Frostmourne wasn't Mal'ganis, it was Arthas.
7:40 you know what this kind of sounds like trolley problem
"Mercy killing isnt morally gray" Well it kinda is if the people you are killing doesnt want to be killed.
So by your logic, killing someone who's in coma for decades and wont wake up is wrong, because he cant say "no". *clap*
The not grey part is: they die either way.
You can't use the trolley thing. The trolley implies you have a choice over who lives or dies
Arthas mercy kills people that are alive.... so that they don't get killed from the undead 2h later. If Arthas goes in and kills everyone, everyone is dead. If Arthas doesn't do anything, everyone still dies, but comes back as undead and starts killing outside the city.
Either way, the city is dead and you can safe the rest of your people.
I don't really get, where the grey part is coming in. Them not wanting to get killed is irrelevant.
Arthas thinks the same, thats why he lost the light. If he was a maniac at that point (like the SC), he would not have lost the light. He kills innocent people, but just because there was no way to save them