The Truth About Systemic Racism
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- --A deep dive into the realities of systemic racism in the United States
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I’m black and at 32 years old I’ve never heard this topic articulated this clearly and thoroughly. This is really good.
Agreed.
33 years right her my guy. if you haven't seen his channel... Check out Rolan Martin Unfiltered
No you can say it better, but white people just not going to listen to you? I don't blame white people, take my word for it there are a lot of good people, it's really SATANS influence on people that makes the evil? So either your good or evil, no in between? YOU A GOOD PERSON OR EVIL? BLACK PEOPLE FEAR GOD, WHITE PEOPLE DON'T?
@@solangegregory4810 Well said and all facts. I gotta look Candace Owens up. Please.. Please check out Roland Unfiltered on youtube. Black media talking about black people's issues
You must not listen to too many black voices.
David, you know I'm a big fan of yours. But you have outdone yourself with this deep dive into this super-important issue. Now, how do we get this video more widely distributed than your million-plus subscriber base? It is that important. I'm not sure you could have made a better video on this subject than what you have done here. Thank you.
My sentiments exactly! This was absolutely brilliant!
Was just thinking the same. I was very impressed by the way he explained and presented this.
Share it in another platform. I'll be posting it on my Facebook page and in a couple of political groups I'm in.
Email the link to this video to friends and family, share it on social media platforms, send it to other progressive podcast or show hosts on their social media, etc. :) Just some ideas for how to spread this a little more widely beyond the subscriber community.
@@mistym0rning excellent suggestions.
I highly recommend ‘The Color of Law’ a very detailed book about redlining if you are looking to get more information on this topic. David did a fantastic job addressing this specific issue.
Also "Caste". Just read it. A real eye opener. Confirms everything he said on this show.
I'm a former TCU student and we once had a guest speaker named Joe Feagin (a Caucasian) who spoke about the history of systemic racism/the white racial frame that defines American history. Dr. Feagin basically said that throughout all of American history (1607-2017), 83% of our history can be categorized/defined by White racism/suppression of People Of Color (mainly Africans). As a result, out of 21 generations of Americans, only the last 3/4 have grown up with no legal/de jure segregation and where institutionalized racism be a factor/way of life for minorities. However, despite this, prejudice, stereotyping, intolerance, bigotry, and individual discrimination still exist because of the fact it had defined so many past generations and the Civil Rights Acts of the 1960s weren't enough to end the morals that individuals pass on to their children, even if they are academics/educated on the history of oppression minorities faced. That said, he was hopeful that with each generation that follows the 1960s, we will see less racial tension/discrimination in our society and it is up to all of us to be moral/informed of these plights in order to make this country better for Americans of all races.
And really that is the true issue. By the time anyone really takes a solid approach to it, time is the answer they are really banking on so they don’t have to spend any effort on it
Check out 2 books called the color of money and the color of law. Tell me what you think about them.
Read Joe Feagin's book, Racist America, as a sociology student. Recommend it. He likes bolo ties :)
Unfortunately that has seemed to have not happened, race relations peaked in the 90s, and then slowly fell after Clinton, and then took a nose dive in 2014.
@James Edward I think you could argue "tribalism" is normal and natural. Racism is just one flavor of tribalism completely invented by rich, greedy landowners in the 1600s in order to take advantage of poor WHITES ironically. Those greedy landowners did not give a shit about anyone except their own wealth, and so invented a tribal distinction (white vs. black) so that poor whites, which made up the masses, could feel included in their "club". Meanwhile the rich actually just exploited free labor out of blacks simultaneously making them out to be the enemy (sounds familiar to immigrants right?). Slavery economically screwed the very people that were conditioned to hate blacks the most - poor whites, not just blacks who were obviously robbed of hundreds of years of labor.
And to respond to the original comment - "prejudice, stereotyping, intolerance, bigotry, and individual discrimination" are all true, but doesn't even touch on the systematic plundering of black wealth that David shed light on in the latter half of the video, which are arguably the most important points people should be wary of, but are the least known sadly.
Thanks for this video! I read two great books about this topic. The Color Of Law, & The Color Of Money.
This is exactly why I respect your channel. Whether you wrote these talking points, or your team did, the fact that you put the topic front of millions of viewers speaks volumes. Thank you 🙏🏽
Oof. Candace “I use the race card when it’s convenient for me” Owens, Ben “My wife doesn’t get wet” Shapiro, and Dave “my brain is still in recovery mode” Rubin. The trifecta of grifting.
You literally just disparaged a woman of color because politically she doesn’t line up with your woke ideology. Good job, racist.
@@flyguy8787 Grade A sarcasm. Well done.
@@flyguy8787 I'm a black woman and her political preference is not the issue.
@@teresalee467 the issue is that her political views differ from yours, correct? or are you as well going to call her race into question as the commenters above have eluded to.
@@flyguy8787 her "political views", objectively, are lies. She's a grifter and using her blackness in that game. Don't be a child.
I took a college course at TCU where the professor defined "White Privilege" not having more advantages in life, but rather as having fewer disadvantages/discriminations in life (so the opposite of what it sounds like). Essentially, in our country's history, White people (with few exceptions) have not faced the multiple generations oppression that most people of color have faced, resulting in fewer disadvantages for them today. Sure, if you're a wealthy White person, you are better off than all average/poor people in America, but if you're a middle class White person, you still have better chances to succeed in life because you don't have the systemic disadvantages that African, Asian, Hispanic, and Native Americans at a similar social class level have. Finally, when a person of color does become successful in America, it is not because of "Reverse Discrimination" as some White Americans argue, rather it is because they have managed to overcome the disadvantages that they faced that many of their White counterparts didn't have to face.
Lets rename it to _white baseline_ then. Less confusion and less loaded.
@@downstream0114 like there's a function in tying it to color to begin with. say i, an ordinary white dude, am in fact privileged. how is me being aware of my said privileges will help the poc dude next to me be "promoted" to the white baseline? it won't. if you go to china, you can talk about the chinese baseline in light of the oppression of the uyghur: an avg chinese in china won't be interned in a brainwashing labor camp and subjected to sex offense based solely on the fact that they are chinese. the uyghur get that. or you can go to israel and see how well/bad do the ashkenazim vs the beta israeli do. so there should be clause in udhr that disputes the case of uyghurs and ethiopian jews in specific? no. not only coz the manifesto is universal that it applies to any subject of any color/race/religion/sex/orientation/etc, but the fact that there isn't anything peculiar about their cases at all. mostly it's classic oppressor vs oppressed scenarios that's best and approached universally. the legislative outcome is more enveloping as well.
the ____only____ thing you can do about blacks not receiving appropriate "white" childcare, "white" healthcare, whatever, - since there are no laws that would otherwise allow or promote such behavior; on the contrary, it is a hate crime - is to go and try to prosecute the perpetrators in these cases under the umbrella idea that everyone must be treated equally and that lackluster service (a claim rather hard to prove) or downright denial isn't a shit to fly here (or anywhere for that matter) anymore.
personal/interpersonal racism can be extremely nuanced and sophisticated, but that can't be helped. it's never gonna go away, the task is to mitigate its effects, which is best achieved by zero tolerance dissuasion.
@@zerotalent2470 Yeah, I was thinking _majority baseline_ but they're so attached to harping on *whiteness*
You know how many advantages/disadvantages someone has by the color of their skin? Painfully obvious that's very racist thinking, if you think this then you're a racist.
I appreciate the deep dives, especially this one.
@@JoeG2324 Wow, you must be really smart.
@@JoeG2324 Presumably your grandparents were building wealth during the Jim Crow era while the grandparents of black people alive today were not. It's really not difficult to wrap your head around it if you try.
Joe JG
Conservatives talking about systemic racism: “Strange, I don’t see a single law that says it’s illegal to be black. Libtard destroyed.”
Conservatives talking about big tech censorship: “Ok, there’s no rule that SPECIFICALLY targets right wing media, but if you look at who is most affected and harmed by the algorithm. . .”
@@JoeG2324 Watch it again with your MAGA hat off.
@@generalmartok3990 *Aim for the trolls! Starve the trolls! Feed them not*
Wait so the conservative point of view is dismissive and easily defeated by looking at the issue more broadly. What a surprise
so if mid-discussion i expand the topic and arbitrarily declare that the set which was meant to comprise the subject of our quarrel, in fact, is just a subset of that set, i get to win the debate? when you hear the statement "you use the term in a very archaic way" with the immediate and subsequent shift in discussion from present day legislation to the jim crow era laws, redlining and the naturally ensuing socioeconomics that overflow to our times (just to stay at the theme), stacking it all up and call it racism@2020, is a cheat, since the semantics were not established beforehand. it's a cheat at best and a logical fallacy at worst.
therefore, if shapiro had been engaged to discuss the subject in such terms and historical survey, chances are he would've taken all these factors into account or maybe wouldn't have disputed these arguments at all.
@@zerotalent2470 In what world does the word "systemic" not mean exactly what its dictionary definition means? They are redefining the term off the bat to mean strictly "government legislated racism" and arguing against that.
Racism is the reason I moved my family back to Australia. We are Jewish.
@DannyDaDuffyDucking Daffer says who?
@James Edward or you could move to Australia, I hear it’s nice there this time of year.
@James Edward *boo, hiss*
@@Windy_City mid West
James Edward Judging by reading your various comments, I understand that you are ignorant of what Judaism & Jews is/are all about. I challenge you to do some research and get back to me.
When you try to get this message to the masses they just cover their ears and refuse to hear it ... appreciate the deep dive David 💪🏾
On this, today, my birthday, this is the video I needed. Thank You, David!
Happy birthday :)
@@mimisparkles8765 Thank You, Emilie!
@Sandra K Thank You, Sandra!
@@sabinasb2445 Thank You, Sabina!
Happy Birthday from The Netherlands 🧡
I experience racism DAILY living in a really nice community.
Joyce - I'm interested in hearing more - would you be comfortable sharing any of your experiences?
Your work is beautiful - you are very talented 😊
@Caleb Strohl lmfao
@Caleb Strohl Racism doesn’t have to be explicit. Also, racism can be subtle or unconscious in some cases. I’m not sure what you’re qualifying as “true racism”.
@Caleb Strohl You're lucky not to have experienced something that is happening every day
Enough people motivated by racism within a system therefore makes that system racist.
It doesnt. A system is a machine, if the machine pumps out racist results regardless of whats fed into it, then its the machine thats causing it. If you feed racism in and racism comes out, the immediate problem isnt the machine, its whats in it.
If replacing all the racists in a system can stop the racist results, it wasnt the system that was racist, it was a neutral system being abused for racist ends.
The fault of the system in that case is not having self correction mechanisms to defend it against that kind of abuse.
Think of it like the office of the emperor of rome. Supreme power, especially after severus. A benevolent emperor isnt corrupt, a corrupt one is. Its not the office thats corrupt, its the man sitting on the throne. The fault of the office is the lack of checks and balances to stop it being corrupt. Hence how ancient rome could go from a widely well regarded almost philosopher king in marcus aurelius straight into a megolomaniac like commodus, or prudent and sympathetic vespasian and titus into tyrant domitian.
A well designed machine is good, a well designed machine with poorly made parts is broken, the answer is to make the parts properly or if that is indeed far too difficult, you then change the machine to something far less susceptible to breaking if its parts are poor quality. This has no effect on what the machine does when its parts are as they are supposed to be, the poorly designed machine that only works when everything part is perfect doesnt suddenly become a machine that doesnt work by design.
@Halon's Razor apologies if I was unclear but I don't see a serious point of disagreement.
Yes there's alternative reasons for the result but the central point I was trying to make was that faulty parts of a machine (the bad people in the system) don't affect the purpose of the machine itself.
A sieve for small rocks let's sand through, it's not because the sieve is designed to let sand through, only that it's not designed against it.
Machine systems have external quality control for these issues, in the case of racism, its possible for resulting disparity to be due to unintended elements and a failure or lack of quality control, not as the original commentor stated, a racist system.
I spoke of racism simply because that's what's under discussion, the same issues can apply to other things, point is even if a machine is made up entirely of broken or misshapen parts, it has no impact on the purpose of the machine had its official blueprint been followed, which is the opposite of what the original commentor said.
@@UA-camChannel-dk5xv I dont agree but let me clarify. A machine is what its designed to do even if the intent of the design is different from what was actually designed.
A murderous ai is still a murderous ai even if it was built as a box lifting robot with personality, what matters is whats in the actual design.
Since you brought up guns, here in the UK we had a bit of an issue with the first generation of our army's standard issue rifle. The thing was designed okish, with some genuine issues but the main issue was that the people manufacturing it had little experience in firearm construction. The end result was an unreliable mess. The way of fixing it was to have a separate company rebuild all of the interior mechanisms and fix some of the genuine design flaws.
That gun was still a gun, not a bullet jamming device.
Its true that rotten apples in a barrel can rot the barrel but the proof of that occurring is the testable rot in the wood of the barrel, not the prescence of rotten apples, in legal systems the proof is in the laws themselves, not in the people using them.
Prision is not an unjust punishment in of itself, it is when a judge uses it for incorrect means and the failure of the system there isnt laws stating that, for example, jaywalking carries a life sentence, its the lack of oversight for judges to decide punishments without guidelines.
Guns actually dont kill people, people do, with guns. That is a fact, the issue with the argument is that it doesnt cover the things under discussion. My point was specific to the claim that an unbiased system in print with some flexibility of action being used by racists is not a racist system, it is an unbiased system that relies on unbiased occupants to function as its meant to.
That doesnt preclude changes to said system to prevent its abuse, just as the fact that guns dont kill on their own doesnt mean that they arent part of the discussion of preventing gun deaths since stopping anyone ever again from wishing to murder someone else is unrealisitic as a goal.
If theres nothing written into a system that directs it along bigotted lines, its not a bigotted system, rotted apples can rot the barrel, which is a change in the barrel, rotten barrels rot the apples, if we remove everyone from the system of laws and replace them with proven non racists, will the system still be racist even though the racists in it are all gone?
It’s amazing how someone can be simply honest, logical, and straightforward. Thank you David. This is why I love your show man.
Rarity 👍👍
Excellent video. David is a master of synthesis
You can show a gaggle of right-wing hacks like you did, but you can’t deny that a succession of serious thinkers such as Glenn Loury, John McWhorter, and Adolphe Reed Jr (and that’s a pretty wide political spectrum right there) have advanced strong critiques of the discourse of “racial disparity” that has arisen in the past decade.
They're critiques are only strong if you believe that load of hooey they are trying to sell. John McWhorter and Noam Chomsky are experts in the same field, but McWhorter is afraid to debate Chomsky. Why? Because McWhorter is selling a bunch of reich wing rhetoric that makes him stand out and get a following from white people. Chomsky has a following from all races and unlike McWhorter he is very comfortable in the presence of Blacks and immigrants of color. Mcwhorter is only comfortable in an audience of whites.
@@FASBLAQUE Are you trying to tell me that Noam Chomky is a "better black person" than John McWhorter?
You know how fucking nuts that looks?
"reich wing" And now McWhorter's a Nazi, wonderful...
"Mcwhorter is only comfortable in an audience of whites." I mean, it's just a non-falsifiable slur.
David good breakdown is very rare to find a white person who understands what black people mean when they say that
Joe JG Jim Crow laws 60 years ago. If you don’t think that effects people’s opportunities and living standards today you’re a dumbass
@@JoeG2324 listen to the whole video please he does a extraordinary job of explaining it
@@JoeG2324 I'll give you an example I'm a product of segregation I was bussed 50 miles away from where I live to go to school with white people and what I was learning in the 7th grade they were just now starting to learn in high school also the majority of black people they can get a car loan they can get a government student loan cuz it's guaranteed everybody but they get put through hoops when they try to get a business loan to building their own communities are home loan to move in a better Community they get the denied
@@JoeG2324 white friend of mine black friend of mine go into business together black friend go to get a loan gets denied white friend goes to the same bank gets accepted same credit score
Richard Spencer understands
Most people actually think they are superior from someone else, money, religion, race, intelligence, you name it. It will never go away.
So what?
I've been saying that for years.. you can't stop racism unless we all of a sudden, or after years become - one race, one religion... Or just be the human race with no religion.
What you are saying is true Dennis but surely every person deserves a government that tries to level out the basic human rights of all people?
Housing - utilities - education - food is that what we are want/need? Race - religion - skin colour should not come into it! I come from white privileged be it working class family from Brisbane Australia why should any person have to fight for their basic needs?
This is weak, mealy-mouthed excuse-making designed to justify racism. Its like saying there will always be people who steal and murder... While true, it doesn't mean that we don't take steps to curb it's occurrence, or that we tolerate it when it does happen.
What conservatives misunderstood (or pretend to misunderstand) is that even if a political system outlaws racism, it isn't the only system. Law enforcement, education, industry...a single law won't outlaw all of their practices and biases. It takes much longer, which is why the racial justice movement is still highly visible and active today.
Well done 👏👏👏
These people don’t know what systematic means. Sorry my bad. Systemic.
The only difference between liberalism and fascism is that fascism means genocide for white people
As a BIPOC in the US, I just want to say thank you for caring enough to take the time to make this, David. ❤️
As a foreigner, I kept hearing this term "systemic racism" over and over again, but no one explains what it means. Only once did I hear a short definition and it's not what I thought it meant when I first heard the term. Often times, I see this jargon being used, by both left and right and it's never explained. Like what's a globalist? So a big thank you for actually explaining what it is.
It's basically what they call policies that disproportionately affect POC. I think it's largely overblown. Drug laws are really the only real form of systemic racism, yet that still just disproportionately just affects poor people. You can buy into two worldviews. Ibram X Kendis view that any disparity in outcome is caused by Racism. Or start following Coleman Hugh's who has a much more intelligent and nuanced view on why these disparities exist.
When a right-winger says "globalists" just replace that with Jews to get their true meaning.
I'm going to re-link this:
www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6
@Sunshine_Smile Hey Sunshine chill out. Systemic racism is quite a nebulous concept that is usually used to perpetuate a victim mentality and doesn't really help anybody. If it doesn't affect his/her life to the point where he/she looks it up on his/her own, that's fine.
Sooo informative. Bravo good sir. This is mandatory indoctrina....watching for my girlfriend. She comes from a trump family and with your help I’ve educated her. Thank you.
@@jamesmitchell7185 I would certainly argue that I’m not a bigot, merely predisposed to think of people that support Trump as ignorant.
This is some of your best content yet David. Having good content like this will keep the channels momentum going even after the election. Great Job!
I really miss these longer form deep dives!
This vid basically destroyed the whole notion that systemic racism doesn't exist. Well done David!
I dare anyone to find a conservative who understands the terms “systemic racism” or “historical context”!!
If they do, they probably aren't conservative
David. You have your eyes and ears open. Not to get personal but someone raised you right. 👍🏽
You're talking about someone's mom there. Pretty damn personal 😂😂😂👀
I've never seen anyone cover this topic so well. Good job David
How can a law be racist if it doesn’t explicitly use the n-word?!!????!!
-Conservative Pundit
CHECKMATE LIIIIBS!!!
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT video David! Thank you SO much for this insight. Really needed info right now & very helpful. 👏
I'm white, and I never realized the true definition of systemic racism until 2020.
They (Conservatives) are such (pun not intended here), black-and-white thinkers.
If I've learned/am still learning anything, it's to really listen to what black people have to say, process that and talk to other white people to help them better understand where (we) misunderstood, so that we can learn, change and grow.
We need more community involvement, revamped education to give (true) history, which Black history is a much larger part of. Also, bring civics and critical-thinking back.
Thank you David, for this extremely important topic!
The way that you have defined systemic racism, we are all victims of it. Certain minority groups have fewer opportunities which you can easily see by observing the long list of white only college scholarships, for example.
Thank you David for explaining a continuing problem in 30 minutes. I am recommending this video to all my friends and family.
In-depth, detailed, and well-produced with great b-rolls. I like this David Pakman!
I still feel culture plays more of a role then the system being rigged against them. I go back and forth between both arguments and at some point I have to lean on my own experiences of growing up in predominantly black areas, being incarcerated and living in institutions. I grew up fucked up with a lot of drug use, violence and disadvantages within my own family but at the end of the day I made some bad choices and it’s no ones fault but my own and I hold myself accountable. If the game is still rigged against them it ain’t by much and still leaves no excuse to better your life in one of the best countries in the world.
As a black man who moved overseas, I found the best part of the move in getting ahead was my access to transportation, Healthcare and housing. I was an honor student and later on the deans list at university but was going under trying to get ahead in the USA.
(1) Change the language. Give the systemic racism non-believers another problem to target. *“Systemic Bias on Race”*
(2) If you can accept bias on race, then you can extrapolate systemic bias on race.
(3) DPak, thank you for entertaining the nuances around systemic racism, the categories of bias on race, and the intensity of bias on race on a spectrum. You’ve earned my “Join” for this analysis. Content is getting better. Variety is the spice of life. So tired of listening to his voice; you know?
He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named
Donald J. Trumpf
I love these type of longer-form segments
As far as racism vs equality, I look at it this way. If a nurse was to take a vial of blood from a member of every race of human beings on earth, that blood is all red. White people can give a blood transfusion to Black people and Black people can give a blood transfusion to white people because our blood matches meaning race is superficial...we are all the same physically. Racism is extremely offensive to me and the vast majority of Democrats.
Thank you so much for this video. Very informative
We're still using the "poor poor black me" excuse in 2021? Smh
De-segregating housing. Can wait to see that described as ending the suburbs.
I'm disgusted that trump wants to protect my suburban neighborhood. I live in southwest Arizona and I am in the minority and I love it.
I'm glad you brought up this point and it's definitely something we have to recognize if we want to be genuine about the conversation.
The only major issue is that people who came from these exact neighborhoods who became lawmakers, mayors, and or major players in the political environment of these cities, and especially democrat cities have done absolutely 0 to help this issue be mitigated or at the very least softened.
When people of my race, or any other minority get up and become mayors of these cities and do absolutely nothing to help us really makes it hard for me to believe that it's still a racism problem.
Our own people still oppress us, and continue to make it harder for us to make it out of these living hells so they can line their pockets with our tax money and provide 0 relief that we need to be safe
Also Indigenous Americans experience Systemic Racism
I live in the Netherlands, racism is not that pungent but it’s there.
In my whole life I never experienced being stopped by the police until I got a black boyfriend. Suddenly it happened every week.
So well put together and exquisitely presented. I watched it three times and took notes. Thank you!!!
"You have brains in your head. You have feet in your shoes. You can steer yourself in any direction you choose.'
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Great job David. Please do more of these.
Great video. Please keep up the OUTSTANDING work.
Thank you for this, David. This is why I love your show.
To use an umbrella term, when it is not common parlance and you already have the sub-problems identified, is just stupid massaging. Left leaning individuals are obsessed with umbrella terms, which makes it really hard to understand for right leaning individuals.
The two biggest problems with ideas from the left (for me at least):
- Umbrella terms
- Naming patterns
examples: Patriarchy, toxic masculinity, defund the police, ...
The umbrella terms are so broad that is almost impossible to not talk besides one another.
The naming of ideas like defund the police or something similar feel almost like an intragroup motte-and-bailey argument, so that activist can shout the really harsh sounding slogan with the literal meaning and the intellectuals can divert to the more nuanced position.
If it is accidental, then i would suggest to not use these too broad umbrella terms and use better naming for the ideas.
One of the smartest people speaking on the internet today. Thank you David
Great content. We can always learn more and improve as a society.
Thank you! I have seen tons of Shapiro, Crowder and others and never got my head around the absence of systemic racism. There had to be missing something and as a german it was hard to get information which seemed credible. You gave me a different view points and something to fill the gap.
Great show!
Except Shapiro doesn’t argue against the fact that history has consequences. His complaint is that generally the left never defines what it means by “systemic racism” and throws out vague accusations and talk of destroying the system and capitalism or whatever else. Conservatives all admit that history has consequences. We deny that America is evil and needs to be torn down and all the bs that black lives matter puts out there.
@@AmericanPatriot-dn7iy Jews. You forgot to mention the Jews. You’re welcome.
@@gking407 what do the Jews have to do with it?
@Gamer guy 69 Let's explore the claims you've made.
The first question is, do you think that you are intellectually honest with yourself?
The next questions will deal specifically with the ideas you've put forward.
You made a claim that shapiro specifically, but also conservatives in general are asking "leftists" for an adequate definition of systemic racism, which they, in your experience, have failed to do, so I'd like to ask you, do you think there is no current day systemic racism, and just to be real specific I'll limit the question to the u.s.
If someone could show you an agreeable definition and examples of systemic racism, would that make you more skeptical of the claims and conclusions of people like shapiro?
Additionally if there are concrete examples of systemic racism, what would that mean for people like shapiro? To be clear, if the claims of systemic racism have genuine merit, what do you think that says about the quality of research and evidence used by people like shapiro?
What are the claims being made by blm?
@@kagutsuchi969 well to start off it seems to me like you just don’t like him and don’t want me watching him which I get a lot from ppl on the left and it’s annoying. And I’ve stated this which many other conservatives agree: the government does not actively try discriminate against black ppl. We also say that history has consequences. We don’t call that systemic racism. Think of it like this: say you have a machine that’s making something like a printer printing books. Then say the printer stops printing. The stuff it made is still there but there is no new stuff being made. That’s exactly how we view “systemic racism”. The government no longer produces racist laws but the effects can still be there although they are dwindling the further we get from Jim Crow and redlining. That is the conservative stance and we absolutely hate the message that Blm is pushing: that America is was founded on racism and that we’re all secretly racists and even if you think your not you still are. Nicole Hannah Jones. Ibram kendi, and the other “anti racists” pushing critical theory are the ones we don’t like. I don’t think you understand how bad the far left is and it’s my biggest problem with packman is that he refuses to do much more than acknowledge they exist.
I will say again that I get the feeling from you and other packman listeners that you just think ppl like Shapiro are “grifters” and liars and con artists. As someone who listens to the sort of new right media these days, that’s not true and no I won’t stop watching them so don’t bother trying to get me to stop. I watch them and I watch some progressive media as hard as it is to watch.
As always David makes excellent points. That being said there is one factor that is very hard to account for in sociological studies of the sort that were mentioned here, and that is culture.
Hammering in the idea that Blacks are 'victims' can have adverse effects. The truth should never be hidden but sometimes it shoudl also come with caveats. In this case 'victimhood' need not become an excuse for not even trying to become your best self.
My brother in law is an incredibly self-driven black man from Senegal. He moved to France in his 20s for better professional opportunities but soon hit a glass-ceiling because of plain-old racism (black men in high-powered banking jobs are simply inconceivable in today's France). So he moved to Manhattan as he was offered a plum job at JP Morgan. He tried to socialize with African-Americans but was appalled at the culture of whining and not striving. Perhaps I should mention that he's a Bernie Sanders supporter, not an alt-right token black.
Anyway I personally am an egalitarian and I do believe much remains to be done in the way of racial equality in the US. That being said nobody should ever wait for a government to build their success and happiness for them.
Did any black person you’ve ever come in contact with ever told you they are waiting for the government to do anything besides treat them the way they treat white people, if I pay the same taxes I deserve ever benefit and protection the government offers whites.
@Shawniemarie Moore it’s very clear, I think a lot of white people just want black people to shut up and not annoy them with the consistent injustice that we face and if we talk about it they just pass it off as us being victims instead they f what it is, which is the white population has done horribly things to people of color and we just want it to stop so we can function and exist, but that translate to “victimhood”
@@way2kool89 Fair enough. And in my lifetime no black person ever came to me with different expectations. I was mainly telling about my brother-in-law's experience in the US, which actually was different than my own. He had a number of interactions with rather priviledged black folks who were actually expecting more than simple equity (aka fair treatment). Similarly he had discussions with African-Americans who were down and out and that would not take responsibility for themselves. Again I'm not arguing that there are no inustices and systemic pitfalls set up against towards black Americans, I'm just saying that thinking of oneself primarily as a victim will only cause one harm. (I may be wrong though.)
@@mathieuL2204 your brother in law is not African American , he is Africa his experience and understanding of African American is different and he does not speak for them, he is African from Africa, him meeting one African American that fits white peoples biases does not speak for the black American community as a whole.
@@way2kool89 You are absolutely right and I ,being neither black nor American have no standing lecturing African Armeican on how they ought to act. But my personal view (which I share) is that, whatever the systemic injustice you're faced with, you're better off not thinking of yourself as a 'victim' ie a passive conduit for unfair treatment. Nobody can truly conquer equal treatment on behalf of those concerned. 'Allies' are good but in the end it's up to a minority to earn its standing. That may not be 'right' but it is the way of the world. Playing the 'victim' card is a loser's game.
You should do more of these deep dives. This was fantastic!
A good nuanced and fair deep dive.
Everytime I try to talk to my white fam about this it circles back to "well nothing in the laws says anything about race". I've been thinking about different ways to talk about this. It's an odd parallel but I was thinking about left handed people, who are about 10% of the pop. We used to punish people for being lefties. Ee don't directly do that anymore, however, lefties still have shorter avg lifespans, die in accidents more, and are generally at a disadvantage in a lot of ways. They also sometimes have the upper hand (lol) in other regards, ex: sports. I guess the analogy can't go very far, but I think it's an example into explaining systemic disadvantage outside of on-paper laws. I also find that people get pretty defensive when the concept of privilege comes up, as it's hard to see the negative space where one could've had it worse. I think maybe speaking in terms of disadvantage is more palatable, if semantic.
Tell those family members to search the term "Sundown Towns" and "Sundown Towns 2020" and get back to you.
This is well said and well thought out
Thanks for framing the views of the other side fairly and providing statistics to support your opinion. As someone that doesn’t have the same political views as your channel, this type of video is definitely more likely to change my thought process about politics than some of your other videos.
I really like these videos where you go into issues like this
Awesome piece!
Great work, David. I called in for several months shortly after I joined as a member because the immediate video was one where you were uncharacteristically upset regarding race. As a Black man who had been watching you for a year already, it was extremely disappointing. Others obviously noticed as you made a follow-up video attempting to explain your temperament during the exchange. Since then, there has been a clear and obviously conscious effort on your part to educate yourself about racism. This video is the culmination of that, and you've handled it brilliantly. Well done.
This is a great video! I am just floored by the fact that racism is still existing in this day and age. I grew up listening to my dad and grandmother hate on black people. I heard the disgusting "n" word all the time. Racism is very much alive in this country and it's effects are disturbing. I have also been reading all the comments about this video. All of these caring people give me great hope that we will soon see the end to ignorant racism.
Excellent work.
This is perfection. I’m using this whenever I can!
Well done, David.
Thank you for this informative overview of systemic racism. While I have watched some of your previous content, this one is exceptional. Please continue to share these types of videos (perhaps also include links to the studies?). Thank you!
Systemic racism is impossible to correct. We can “strive to be better” but in reality, this is an unfortunate phenomenon that will never be rectified. Very sad, but very true.
@@JoeG2324 that’s not my point. It has nothing to do with law. It has to do with the behavior and tendencies of specific cultures and races that may not be compatible with the expectations and values of the dominant social structure at large. There is no specific law, you’re right, but there are a set of unspoken rules that some races and ethnicities do not fulfill as often as they should if they’re objective is to be given equal opportunity. Does that make sense? You’re thinking far too superficially, it’s much more profound than what you’re making it out to be.
Love the in-depth content!
Jesus Christ... I'm glad I contribute to your Patreon... I love these longer clips and references
Very well done 👏
David Pakman, I know my avatar is silly and this comment may get overlooked...
But thank you, for using your platform to speak on the American social pandemic - so truthfully and intelligently in such detail. You're not a sheep and are rare. I appreciate this and you have a gigantic fan in me! 🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
There is discrimination against poor people, to call that racism is wrong.
The system discriminates, but is not racist in itself.
So I really disagree there.
Also stop using the word folks, it is a term stemming from the German word Volk meaning a group of people.
It's not either, or. The fact that one type of discrimination exists doesn't mean there aren't others.
This is a hiring pair study published 2014: academic (dot) oup (dot) com/sf/ article/93/4/1451/ 2332119
This is a housing pair study with data from 2018: urban (dot) org/features/exposing-housing-discrimination
This is a legal case examining republican voting legislation in north carolina in 2013 electionlawblog (dot) org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf Look into other instances voter suppression. More often perpetrated by republicans, and overwhelming affects minority groups.
Also it's generally republicans who vote against any form of civil rights legislature. They near unanimously opposed desegregation, opposed bills to allow gay and interracial marriage, opposed bills addressing workplace gender, sexuality and racial discrimination. All of the votes are public, and those numbers don't lie.
This is a comparative analysis of 100 million traffic stops 5harad (dot) com/papers/100M-stops (dot) pdf
This is a comparative analysis of disparity in the criminal justice system sentencingproject (dot) org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/UN-Report-on-Racial-Disparities (dot) pdf
These are looking at exoneration rates by race
law (dot) umich (dot) edu/special/exoneration/Documents/Race_and_Wrongful_Convictions (dot) pdf
research (dot) msu (dot) edu/innocent-african-americans-more-likely-to-be-wrongfully-convicted/
Yes you out done yourself with this episoded and I started to cry. Great job. 🤓
Excellent video but can you please avoid clickbait titles? Spread the message in the title too, please.
The judicial system is the best example of systemic racism. It is better to be rich (white) and guilty than it is to be poor (black or brown) and innocent in the judicial system.
Disingenuousness of the right-wing arguments:
1) systemic racism is now de facto, not de jure. It's not legal, but systemic racism happens anyway.
2) our system creates poverty on purpose. Poor people are useful to make profit off of, and they're needed to do certain categories of work. Nonwhite people have an added disadvantage in the system, but the system requires there to be poor people.
That's capitalism working as intended. It's a competition, somebody has to lose. Poor people are on purpose.
Edit: www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6
Arguing semantics is pointless
It is so obvious, why are so many people angrily against changing it? Most importantly how the hell does that stand in the way of needed change? Americans should be pissed that this exists today.
Much needed educational input helping one to understand this topic. Thank you for giving such an informative analysis; revealing US policies on housing, their cause and effect. Stay safe 😷 🇫🇷 👍
This is best explanation of systematic racism I've ever heard. Well said Dave. Your mind and reasoning is amazing.
You cant force people to live in a different neighborhood... if two families of equal income, presumably have the same freedom of movement, and one stays in a lower income neighborhood, a conservative would blame the family for not moving, and liberals choose to remove the familys responsibility and blame the ripples of the past.
That goes with the assumption that there is freedom of movement.
This is a hiring pair study published 2014: academic (dot) oup (dot) com/sf/ article/93/4/1451/ 2332119
This is a housing pair study with data from 2018: urban (dot) org/features/exposing-housing-discrimination
I like ur point of view, arguments, and claims !
This is exactly why I left Bernieworld in 2016. I realized that his intense focus on more money flowing toward working class and poor people would fix racism is the same philosophy that libertarians and hardcore capitalists subscribe to. There are poor people who are moral and wealthy people who are immoral and vice versa. More money in one's pockets does NOT eliminate racial injustice. Just ask wealthy black people who are treated differently than working class white people.
you do realize that systemic racism is a product of capitalism? Why do you think Black Marxists are thing? We absolutely can't remove systemic racism without overthrowing capitalism and putting social democracy in place. Libertarians and capitalists HATE social democracy to their core and their solution is simply "just work harder." Them and Bernie are NOT the same.
I miss these deep dives my dude. You should do more of them.
David! Run for Congress!!!!
Please do more content like this! When I think about what shows like yours could be when we don’t all have to give constant attention to the train wreck of our current presidency, THIS is exactly what I’d love to see. Great work David.
Showing your depth and humanity David you are an asset
Th am you for actually discussing the data, and the research.
I think what you talk about around minute 4 regarding labelling brings up an important point. We should stop worrying about labels and start talking about the underlying action. For example, whether or not you call it racist or not doesn’t matter because treating people differently because of race is wrong. It doesn’t matter if you call it racist or discrimination. We need to stop this “label war” and move on to the “actual actions and their impact war”
Thanks for the topic, David. I recently had a conversation with a white friend who did not understand how our country operates in so many areas on an inherently racist basis.
"[Tyrants] injure and oppress the people under their administration, provoking them to cry out and complain, and then make that very outcry the foundation for new oppressions and persecutions."~Andrew Hamilton, 1735 (NOT Alexander Hamilton)
The Trial of John Peter Zenger for Libeling the Colonial Government in 1735 is why we have free speech and free press on this continent.
A transcript of the trial, which was a popular little book at the time, was in possession of Thomas Jefferson when drafting the Declaration of Independence and inspired the First Amendment to the Constitution.
This is a short section of the full transcript:
www.dialogue2.ca/EG-alexander-hamilton-1735.html
They keep talking about "the economy" as if it's something all it's own.
People are the economy.
Not a word wasted. Bravo, David. Thank you for this.
9:32 link to the study: www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w24441/w24441.pdf
At 11:05 , I am being devil's advocate, but looking at the abstract of the 1st study (I don't have time to read 100s of pgs), it seems that its not simply only neighborhoods, but also increasing upward mobility for black men! They may have explained it in the paper and it would be interesting to see if you can delve more into this topic, because personally I do believe that having atleast 2 parents in a household or a community household would bring benefits to an individual than single parent households!