People complain about Oscar not having a perfect London accent but I think it actually works for the character, He was made by a struggling child (altho he does exist at this point) who was never from London meaning he wouldn't have a perfect accent 🤷🏻
Steven being pushed out while saying "I wanna see what she did" only to be told "your not meant to see that, that's the whole point of you" hit super close to home
Oh God, this is so raw. It cut deep and the way Marc as a child reacted to the situation, repeating that it wasn't his mom and disassociating to cope with the abuse is actually such a real way to respond. I did the same thing as a kid, and this scene gave me flashbacks with how real it was.
The way I see it, Steven is more than just a facsimile he made up to live the live he didn't have. He lost his brother, so out of guilt, Steven becomes a replacement, someone he cannot fail to protect.
I absolutely agree with this!!! He’s very protective and gentle with him, i always think about when they first started talking and Marc was just trying to calm him down and it was just so :( 💔
@@sifilore9462 Agreed definitely not his fault. Ultimately the parents are responsible for the brother's safety , Marc was just a child lol. So if the mother wanted to blame or hit anyone, she should've done it to herself instead of shifting responsibility to others.
I just noticed that Steve Rogers' full name is Steven Grant Rogers. He would have been a famous, presumed-dead war hero at the time that movie was made.
Yup. Steven Grant the "Indiana Jones" adventurer was named after him, and Steven is named after that character. And it fits for how Marc sees him. People say Marc created Steven to help him cope with the loss of his little brother, and while that is true to an extent, I think the reality is shown right here. Marc needed a hero to save him from the monster is mother became. While it hurt to lose his brother, nothing hurt more than his own mother becoming the villain of his life. So Marc doesn't see Steven as his little brother...but his hero.
I just rewatched this and honestly I would’ve taken my son and left that women I understand losing a child is a horrible pain that won’t ever go away but you don’t get to take it out on your other child
As an Englishman, I knew that Steven’s London accent was imperfect for a reason. We know Oscar Issac can do brilliant voicework but this is supposed to be the collected together child’s impression of an accent from thousands of miles away.
When Marc's mom came to beat him, young Marc switches from Marc to Steven to clean the room, but as soon as his mom came into the room Marc maybe switched back to Steven that's why Steven doesn't remember anything bad abt their mom (and her beatings). This shows how much of a big brother Marc is to Steven.
I think maybe after steven cleaned up, jake could have fronted to take the abuse? Jake always pops in and saves them from situations, makes sense how Steven doesn’t remember him getting abused after cleaning up ?
@@izukubf that's what I said. Marc always been a big brother to Steven. Even tho they are literally just split personality. Marc can hop into Stevens mind before Steven got conscious. But Steven can't (Now can). That proves Marc saved him from those traumatic incidents.
@@RealNicolasDouglas bro that is NOT what you said💀💀 i said somethng completely different lolol and i think you dont know how systems work😭 marc is the original, steven is just another version of him. He doesn’t have his own “mind” he just takes over front aka control of the body. ????? This whole response got me confused as hell Idk what you’re on about😭😭 you should educate yourself on DID!!
Nah, not really. Sure, most of their recent installments don't perform brilliantly, but that doesn't mean the MCU is completely unsavable. Right now, Marvel is already taking steps to make sure their next projects are more focused on quality over quantity.
That is a terrible terrible mother right there, blaming her own child for (her son/his brothers) death, no no no no that's not right and the worst part, I'm telling you the terrible worst part is that she beats him hates him. I mean seriously. What kind of mother does that? No that's not right no she should get arrested for child abuse her own child, c'mon it's not his fault. Also telling your own child that they discuss you. What? No a mother should never ever ever say that to they're own child also never ever ever abuse or beat them no that's not right it isn't right. She's a terrible mother and should go to jail for abusing her own child she's a terrible terrible mother.
yea like ultimately Roro's safety is her responsibility as a parent. So if she wants to blame and beat anyone, she should do it to herself. Marc was just a child then.
@@jonathantan1763 yeah exactly kids don't know any better it's not they're fault and what kind of mother doesn't show up to they're owns child birthday?
Wouldn't jake be the one that take over in this scene to take his mother abuse to be strong and all that If Steven is the one that appeared why doesn't he remember his mother physical abusing him
No, as Marc’s explaining, he created Steven in order to dissasociate w the reality that was his abusive mother and dead brother. Jake, on the other hand, seems to only ever come out when Marc is truly in danger of dying or otherwise. Jakes like his primal instinct whereas Steven was more what he wanted society to see him as when he was young
Steven probably came out right before the beatings and went back. Or in true multiple personality sense, Steven took the beatings to protect Marc, and then warped the memories to be happy encounters.
@@LovelyAsHekc well the thing about DID is that an alter is not like an OC, the host does not create them consciously, their psyche does, so Steven quite literally does not know if he created jake or not, because a person with DID does not know they create alters, they usually find out they have one after they experience symptoms but it depends on the type. But my theory is that marc created both of them, half of Marc's psyche wanted his mother to love him, so his psyche created Steven, a alter who only knew his mother's love, while the other half of Marc's psyche hated his mother, so his psyche created Jake, a alter who only knew his mother's hatred and abuse. But that's just my theory.
I believe Jake is a manifestation of their war trauma, hence why he is so violent and quick to kill. Most likely Marc was in control at that time, since Steven can't even land a punch without his hand hurting.
Probably when Marc or Steven were able to watch R-rated movies and that's where one of em got Jake or Jake Lockley was the name of another person that Marc stole
Well if they're using examples of real DID, then both alters were created unconsciously to address aspects of the original trauma. Steven is essentially Marc's happy place; an innocent, enthusiastic, friendly man, with normal hobbies, a happy, loving relationship with his mother and a couple of traits from Marc's brother sprinkled in. Until they started bleeding into each other, Steven was free from the abuse, free from the traumatic memories, free from the guilt of Marc's actions and from the pressure of Konshu's commands. He was a place for them, where everything was okay. But if Marc is an emotional protection, providing solace to their emotional damage, Jake is a protector for the real world. He keeps more of a distance from the others, but it's clear that Jake will react with brutal and efficient violence to anyone who threatens the network as a whole. He takes over when things are just too dangerous and removes the source of the danger.
@@nirogamage504 No, Steven Grant is made up Marc is the real person when he was a little boy he made up Steven Grant from a movie he watched and the boy that died was his brother,that's why the mother started beating Marc,because she thought it was his fault that his brother died.Marc was supposed to be watching over him
Steven is an alter born from traumatic dissociation. In cases of serious trauma, particularly in childhood, people often dissociate in order to survive. Sometimes this is forgetfulness or repression of traumatic memories. Sometimes, like here, it’s a part of oneself breaking off. It started with Marc telling himself that his mom isn’t his mom, dissociating from her & her abuse. From there, he dissociates from himself into Steven, who is completely unaware of what’s happening, & starts cleaning his room. Even though Marc is the main part, he becomes a protector for Steven (not typical), keeping Steven safe from the abuse in order for his mind to survive the abuse. Hope that makes more sense of it.
![[s1] steven and marc being an iconic duo for 4 minutes](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/d5MKanQxmwk/mqdefault.jpg)
People complain about Oscar not having a perfect London accent but I think it actually works for the character, He was made by a struggling child (altho he does exist at this point) who was never from London meaning he wouldn't have a perfect accent 🤷🏻
Oscar made the accent sound like that on purpose. For the reasons you state
I thought he was always British 🇬🇧
Steven being pushed out while saying "I wanna see what she did" only to be told "your not meant to see that, that's the whole point of you" hit super close to home
Oh God, this is so raw. It cut deep and the way Marc as a child reacted to the situation, repeating that it wasn't his mom and disassociating to cope with the abuse is actually such a real way to respond. I did the same thing as a kid, and this scene gave me flashbacks with how real it was.
Damn that’s deep 😔
Me too :(💔
The way I see it, Steven is more than just a facsimile he made up to live the live he didn't have. He lost his brother, so out of guilt, Steven becomes a replacement, someone he cannot fail to protect.
His brother wasn't his fault. Steven was made to cope with the abuse.
I absolutely agree with this!!! He’s very protective and gentle with him, i always think about when they first started talking and Marc was just trying to calm him down and it was just so :( 💔
@@sifilore9462 Agreed definitely not his fault. Ultimately the parents are responsible for the brother's safety , Marc was just a child lol. So if the mother wanted to blame or hit anyone, she should've done it to herself instead of shifting responsibility to others.
I just noticed that Steve Rogers' full name is Steven Grant Rogers. He would have been a famous, presumed-dead war hero at the time that movie was made.
Yup. Steven Grant the "Indiana Jones" adventurer was named after him, and Steven is named after that character. And it fits for how Marc sees him.
People say Marc created Steven to help him cope with the loss of his little brother, and while that is true to an extent, I think the reality is shown right here. Marc needed a hero to save him from the monster is mother became. While it hurt to lose his brother, nothing hurt more than his own mother becoming the villain of his life. So Marc doesn't see Steven as his little brother...but his hero.
@@girl1213:((((((
I just rewatched this and honestly I would’ve taken my son and left that women I understand losing a child is a horrible pain that won’t ever go away but you don’t get to take it out on your other child
trust me when I say social workers see wayy worst…
Moon Knight is one of the greatest shows ever!
As an Englishman, I knew that Steven’s London accent was imperfect for a reason. We know Oscar Issac can do brilliant voicework but this is supposed to be the collected together child’s impression of an accent from thousands of miles away.
When Marc's mom came to beat him, young Marc switches from Marc to Steven to clean the room, but as soon as his mom came into the room Marc maybe switched back to Steven that's why Steven doesn't remember anything bad abt their mom (and her beatings).
This shows how much of a big brother Marc is to Steven.
I think maybe after steven cleaned up, jake could have fronted to take the abuse? Jake always pops in and saves them from situations, makes sense how Steven doesn’t remember him getting abused after cleaning up ?
@@izukubf that's what I said. Marc always been a big brother to Steven. Even tho they are literally just split personality.
Marc can hop into Stevens mind before Steven got conscious. But Steven can't (Now can). That proves Marc saved him from those traumatic incidents.
@@RealNicolasDouglas bro that is NOT what you said💀💀 i said somethng completely different lolol and i think you dont know how systems work😭 marc is the original, steven is just another version of him. He doesn’t have his own “mind” he just takes over front aka control of the body. ????? This whole response got me confused as hell Idk what you’re on about😭😭 you should educate yourself on DID!!
@@RealNicolasDouglasdid you not read what the other guy said? He said Jake hopped in to save him from the beating instead of Marc
Poor Steven😭
Bro what wb Mark??? The dude literally created a personality to deal with the abuse he was facing at the hands of his mother.
This was such a bloody good show. I think the remnants of what made marvel special before it ended up going to shit.
Nah, not really. Sure, most of their recent installments don't perform brilliantly, but that doesn't mean the MCU is completely unsavable. Right now, Marvel is already taking steps to make sure their next projects are more focused on quality over quantity.
Please understand ‘not exactly tailored to my tastes’ is not the same thing as objectively bad. Loki season 2 I especially liked. Others may not.
Doors banging reminds me of sfx when he blacks out.
I wonder if that was intentional?
Seems that it's made as a trigger when he transitions from one person to another. Like how mentally challenged individuals react to certain triggers.
sfx?
@@kaitlynmartin2075sound effect
Isn’t funny though, steven grant also has the same name as Steven grant…… Rogers.
That is a terrible terrible mother right there, blaming her own child for (her son/his brothers) death, no no no no that's not right and the worst part, I'm telling you the terrible worst part is that she beats him hates him. I mean seriously. What kind of mother does that? No that's not right no she should get arrested for child abuse her own child, c'mon it's not his fault. Also telling your own child that they discuss you. What? No a mother should never ever ever say that to they're own child also never ever ever abuse or beat them no that's not right it isn't right. She's a terrible mother and should go to jail for abusing her own child she's a terrible terrible mother.
yea like ultimately Roro's safety is her responsibility as a parent. So if she wants to blame and beat anyone, she should do it to herself. Marc was just a child then.
@@jonathantan1763 yeah exactly kids don't know any better it's not they're fault and what kind of mother doesn't show up to they're owns child birthday?
Why is this video chopped up all fucked up Marc’s mom says “your gonna learn to listen” not “to listen, your gonna learn”😂😂
The only thing that bro was doing was put pencils in bros pot and she barged into the room like hulk andbeet him wow mum of the century
Marc's Mom looks like Bella Ramsey as an adult
No she don’t
@@terryanndanvers4056 She does to me
@@theryanreynoldsfan3674 okay
Am I the only person who thinks Matt Leblanc and Oscar Isaac have the same voice 🙄
Loki season 1 and 2 and What If...? are best but Moon Knight is my personal favorite
Cinema Therapy -Moon Knight
IS Young Marc Talking To Taweret And Telling Her Of This?
Wouldn't jake be the one that take over in this scene to take his mother abuse to be strong and all that
If Steven is the one that appeared why doesn't he remember his mother physical abusing him
No, as Marc’s explaining, he created Steven in order to dissasociate w the reality that was his abusive mother and dead brother. Jake, on the other hand, seems to only ever come out when Marc is truly in danger of dying or otherwise. Jakes like his primal instinct whereas Steven was more what he wanted society to see him as when he was young
He probably forgot
Steven probably came out right before the beatings and went back. Or in true multiple personality sense, Steven took the beatings to protect Marc, and then warped the memories to be happy encounters.
@@MoJones9919oh i never thought of this aw :( i just thought maybe jake could have possibly fronted to take them but gosh. thats so screwed
I thought of jake being the one to take them too, glad i wasn’t the only one thinking it. Hope we get a season 2 to clear some things up!!
When Taweret said thier multiple afterlives. No doubt Marc's mother is in Hell for her sins/crimes of child abuse.
Hold on If Marc created Steven,the who of two created Jake?.
I think Marc created Steven and Steven created Jake but he doesn't remember it (my theory)
@@LovelyAsHekc well the thing about DID is that an alter is not like an OC, the host does not create them consciously, their psyche does, so Steven quite literally does not know if he created jake or not, because a person with DID does not know they create alters, they usually find out they have one after they experience symptoms but it depends on the type. But my theory is that marc created both of them, half of Marc's psyche wanted his mother to love him, so his psyche created Steven, a alter who only knew his mother's love, while the other half of Marc's psyche hated his mother, so his psyche created Jake, a alter who only knew his mother's hatred and abuse. But that's just my theory.
I believe Jake is a manifestation of their war trauma, hence why he is so violent and quick to kill. Most likely Marc was in control at that time, since Steven can't even land a punch without his hand hurting.
Probably when Marc or Steven were able to watch R-rated movies and that's where one of em got Jake or Jake Lockley was the name of another person that Marc stole
Well if they're using examples of real DID, then both alters were created unconsciously to address aspects of the original trauma.
Steven is essentially Marc's happy place; an innocent, enthusiastic, friendly man, with normal hobbies, a happy, loving relationship with his mother and a couple of traits from Marc's brother sprinkled in.
Until they started bleeding into each other, Steven was free from the abuse, free from the traumatic memories, free from the guilt of Marc's actions and from the pressure of Konshu's commands. He was a place for them, where everything was okay.
But if Marc is an emotional protection, providing solace to their emotional damage, Jake is a protector for the real world. He keeps more of a distance from the others, but it's clear that Jake will react with brutal and efficient violence to anyone who threatens the network as a whole. He takes over when things are just too dangerous and removes the source of the danger.
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The weird cuts kind of ruined it.
Please explain me the scene I’m lost 😭😭😭
Steven realized that he was a made up persona by Marc to hide the trauma of being abused by his mother when he was a little boy
@@johndavis1290 so the kid that died and that entire scene was made up?
@@nirogamage504 No, Steven Grant is made up Marc is the real person when he was a little boy he made up Steven Grant from a movie he watched and the boy that died was his brother,that's why the mother started beating Marc,because she thought it was his fault that his brother died.Marc was supposed to be watching over him
Steven is an alter born from traumatic dissociation. In cases of serious trauma, particularly in childhood, people often dissociate in order to survive. Sometimes this is forgetfulness or repression of traumatic memories. Sometimes, like here, it’s a part of oneself breaking off.
It started with Marc telling himself that his mom isn’t his mom, dissociating from her & her abuse. From there, he dissociates from himself into Steven, who is completely unaware of what’s happening, & starts cleaning his room. Even though Marc is the main part, he becomes a protector for Steven (not typical), keeping Steven safe from the abuse in order for his mind to survive the abuse.
Hope that makes more sense of it.
Bro just watch the show
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Hi
This was the ONLY interesting thing throughout the entire show. I’m not gonna lie, I thought this show was boring as hell. All except this part here.