Well said Frank and Jason, Jarry is a scapegoat, when it goes wrong just blame the goalie, try building a defense that doesn't suck once in your life then you wouldn't need a scapegoat
Ryan Graves IS an untradeable asset, but let's not sit here and act like you didn't agree with the move at the time, Frank. Of course, anyone can speak in hindsight and say "oh look how bad he did", after some of the moves Dubas made did not work out, but you would have done the EXACT same thing if you were in his shoes at the time and I can prove it: - You had Ryan Graves at #6 on your Top 50 Free Agents list (#3 defenseman on your list, by the way). You predicted him to get $5.1 million and he got $4.5 million from Dubas. - You had Michael Bunting at #5 on your Top 50 Free Agents list. Dubas went and acquired him in the Guentzel deal, as part of a large package, for a pending UFA, that wasn't likely to re-sign in Pittsburgh anyways, even if they did keep him post-TDL. - You had Tristan Jarry at #11 on your Top 50 Free Agents list (#1 goalie on your list, by the way) . You predicted him getting $4.8 million, very close to what he actually got. None of these moves, at the time, would have seemed like a bad move to you, but of course now it's "horrible moves, Dubas should have known better". Absolute clown antics on your part.
Correct. Seravelli has no credibility in claiming Dubas failed when he is taking a hindsight opinion. Only time I think Seravelli predicted a problem was in the Karlsson trade.
Not true, fankid. I'm surprised the Penguin bandwagoners are still this invested tbf. By the the time dubas is done, Kansas City will be getting their team back.
Frank, as a non Philly fan, what are your thoughts on Zamula? I've been eyeing him as a trade target and just wanted to gather your thoughts on if he would be available?
This is a lazy hockey video. Who cares if the Pens didn't get a 1st round pick because they drafted Harrison Brunicke in the 2nd round with the pick they got from the Canes which was the Flyers. You and Frank Hairavalli need to emphasize the player Harrison Brunicke and de-emphasize the "1st round pick" as if they lost out on a player not attained. Rakell has 23 goals on Crosby's left wing and makes $5AAV. Guentzel has 23 goals and makes $9AAV. Last season Bunting had 19 points in 21 games and rejuvenated Geno. Bunting leads the team this season with 8 power play goals and is 3rd on the team with 13 goals. This season the Pens have the 5th best power play at 27.1%. Last season the Pens had the 30th power play at 15.3%. Dubas traded for Bunting and hired coach Quinn and brought in Grzelcyk. Now you randomly diss Erik Karlsson and his contract and call him a poor defender when he is know for offense. EK65 is 9th in the league among dmen with 28 assists and 12th in points with 32 points. Erik Karlsson is 1st on the Pens among dmen with 32 points. Grzelcyk is 2nd with 25 points including 24 assists. Letang has fallen off a cliff and only has 18 points. Maybe you should mention EK65's importance and compare him to Letang and his peers before disrespecting him. Wouldn't the Sam Dickinson problem be the Sabres instead of the Pens? The Pens 14th overall pick was traded to the Sabres. The Sabres traded the Sharks the 11th overall pick that was used to draft Sam Dickinson. It wasn't the Pens 14th overall pick. Nice try. P.S. Can you name the player the Sabres drafted with the Pens draft pick you were claiming was Sam Dickinson? Hold on I'll google it since you CON-veniently left it out. With the Pens 1st round pick in the Erik Karlsson trade the Sabres drafted 14th overall: Konsta Helenius. You might want to do a comprehensive podcast where you talk about Konsta and the Sabres to. Bye to your Dubas article and pod video.
I've been saying this since 2018 guys. Toronto fans fight me on it avs now penguins fans do. I don't know how on earth they think Dubas has even the foggiest idea of how to build a team. Points; Bunting was one out of a good 10-15 players dubas signed. His throw shit at the wall and some will stick method isn't impressive. Anyone can do that. Two third round picks for giordano was his best trade. Jake Mcabe for a first is reasonable. Getting a first off Pitts for Kapanen was reasonable. The rest? well he gave away six first rounders, one for an ROR rental to win us one round against a broken and tied Tampa. Lostb players: Mason Marchment, Conor Brown-cup finalist, Kadri-cup winner, Durzi, Mckhelleny, Mcan,moore -32 goals for LA last year. Jack Campbell. ?!?! Peter Mrazek?!?!? Gareth Sparks?! Samsonov?!? Murray?!??! So WHY does anyone in Pitts think it would be different there????? In his first press conference, he didn't know when Sid's contract was up and he had been in Pitts for three weeks. Hev talked about how nice everyone was and how his wife loved the city. ?!?! Graves Smith EK Jarry Gryzlek from 1 point out of the playoffs to way way way far out of the playoffs. most goals against in the league. I've never seen such a poor record walk around with millions of dollars in pocket and with a free pass in 50 years of watching hockey. I said it from May 2018, the guy doesn't know how to build a team. He's just ripped any trade value right out of Jarry. Traded his best Third line defensive rei way centre away for nothing and that on a team with no defence. He should have played Jarry and traded him along with another player for a solid defender. And now he puts petterson on the block? he's the only guy who can play any defence at all! on a team with the most goals against. it's shocking.
Frank was scathing with how Jarry was handled. He detailed various context that supported and potentially could contradict Dubas and his overall management record. There was lots of detail and context but he wasn't a fan of Dubas offering the extension to Jarri, only to waive him and lose all potential gains. Frank also condemned Dubass for making Jarri the scapegoat since their defense was bad due to other roster moves. None of the other goalies are proven or much better, so its puzzling why he treated Jarri like an absolute scapegoat. Ned has no better of stats, and Blomquist isn't proven.
These two clowns don’t know theirs ass from a hole in the ground. Jarry and Graves contract year numbers were good enough to give those contracts… Some hit and some miss … Atleast he tried … and Karlsson deal gets done 10 out of 10 times … Reilly Smith was a great trade but Smith was a baby and didn’t wanna be in Pitt. If you guys had a clue you’d be running a team …. Frank couldn’t even keep his gig on TSN
You guys need to watch the Penguins games before you start making comments. You clearly are completely out of touch, both of you. I understand when you’ve supported a team who hasn’t won a Stanley Cup since 1967 that you’re bitter, but really!
He has good points of criticism. Did he leave any positives out? Frank doesn't have fan goggles on, so it might be different than your perception of Pittsburgh Penguins current performance.
Flyer Frank can be neutral when it comes to 30 teams in this league, but he just cannot hide his bias when it comes to the Penguins. The column was an absolute embarrassment. At least try to maintain some pretense of objectivity.
PIT needs to rebuild and Dubas hasn't been good but still has five more years left on the deal. But Dubas was part of the front office in TOR that had a rapid rebuild. The Tavares signing is most definitely not the issue in TOR.
@@donniedoesdishes So now only teams that win Stanley cups make good decisions? Then almost every team makes terrible decisions at almost every front office personnel members should be fired immediately.
sorry but JT was the BIGGEST issue because it was a position we had filled already for a much lower price and jtb screwed the nyi and the three young guys decided they were better and wanted the same money.
Nobody wants to see the Penguins fail, we just want to see them miss the playoffs every year but be just good enough so they don't get a top 10 pick. Keep them in the lost, mushy middle for the next two decades.
Well said Frank and Jason, Jarry is a scapegoat, when it goes wrong just blame the goalie, try building a defense that doesn't suck once in your life then you wouldn't need a scapegoat
Ryan Graves IS an untradeable asset, but let's not sit here and act like you didn't agree with the move at the time, Frank. Of course, anyone can speak in hindsight and say "oh look how bad he did", after some of the moves Dubas made did not work out, but you would have done the EXACT same thing if you were in his shoes at the time and I can prove it:
- You had Ryan Graves at #6 on your Top 50 Free Agents list (#3 defenseman on your list, by the way). You predicted him to get $5.1 million and he got $4.5 million from Dubas.
- You had Michael Bunting at #5 on your Top 50 Free Agents list. Dubas went and acquired him in the Guentzel deal, as part of a large package, for a pending UFA, that wasn't likely to re-sign in Pittsburgh anyways, even if they did keep him post-TDL.
- You had Tristan Jarry at #11 on your Top 50 Free Agents list (#1 goalie on your list, by the way) . You predicted him getting $4.8 million, very close to what he actually got.
None of these moves, at the time, would have seemed like a bad move to you, but of course now it's "horrible moves, Dubas should have known better".
Absolute clown antics on your part.
Correct. Seravelli has no credibility in claiming Dubas failed when he is taking a hindsight opinion. Only time I think Seravelli predicted a problem was in the Karlsson trade.
1975 is the only number that matters in this discussion
good going. i knew they were crap cuz dubas was going after them. lol
He's just salty cus he looks like a gray haired Chaz Bono.
Not true, fankid. I'm surprised the Penguin bandwagoners are still this invested tbf. By the the time dubas is done, Kansas City will be getting their team back.
How a team plays in front of the goalie is Huge, if your defense is poor, your goalies a sitting duck, goalies are the ultimate scapegoat or hero.
totally. avs dubas ruined the D with graves, gryz and ek then tosses an average goalie behind them.
Frank, as a non Philly fan, what are your thoughts on Zamula? I've been eyeing him as a trade target and just wanted to gather your thoughts on if he would be available?
This is a lazy hockey video. Who cares if the Pens didn't get a 1st round pick because they drafted Harrison Brunicke in the 2nd round with the pick they got from the Canes which was the Flyers. You and Frank Hairavalli need to emphasize the player Harrison Brunicke and de-emphasize the "1st round pick" as if they lost out on a player not attained. Rakell has 23 goals on Crosby's left wing and makes $5AAV. Guentzel has 23 goals and makes $9AAV. Last season Bunting had 19 points in 21 games and rejuvenated Geno. Bunting leads the team this season with 8 power play goals and is 3rd on the team with 13 goals. This season the Pens have the 5th best power play at 27.1%. Last season the Pens had the 30th power play at 15.3%. Dubas traded for Bunting and hired coach Quinn and brought in Grzelcyk. Now you randomly diss Erik Karlsson and his contract and call him a poor defender when he is know for offense. EK65 is 9th in the league among dmen with 28 assists and 12th in points with 32 points. Erik Karlsson is 1st on the Pens among dmen with 32 points. Grzelcyk is 2nd with 25 points including 24 assists. Letang has fallen off a cliff and only has 18 points. Maybe you should mention EK65's importance and compare him to Letang and his peers before disrespecting him. Wouldn't the Sam Dickinson problem be the Sabres instead of the Pens? The Pens 14th overall pick was traded to the Sabres. The Sabres traded the Sharks the 11th overall pick that was used to draft Sam Dickinson. It wasn't the Pens 14th overall pick. Nice try. P.S. Can you name the player the Sabres drafted with the Pens draft pick you were claiming was Sam Dickinson? Hold on I'll google it since you CON-veniently left it out. With the Pens 1st round pick in the Erik Karlsson trade the Sabres drafted 14th overall: Konsta Helenius. You might want to do a comprehensive podcast where you talk about Konsta and the Sabres to. Bye to your Dubas article and pod video.
Why is Dubas immune to criticism? Because he *represents* an entire generation's misplaced hopes in analytics as their gambling savior. Periot
Agreed why is Dubas immune he sucks
I've been saying this since 2018 guys. Toronto fans fight me on it avs now penguins fans do. I don't know how on earth they think Dubas has even the foggiest idea of how to build a team.
Points; Bunting was one out of a good 10-15 players dubas signed. His throw shit at the wall and some will stick method isn't impressive. Anyone can do that.
Two third round picks for giordano was his best trade.
Jake Mcabe for a first is reasonable.
Getting a first off Pitts for Kapanen was reasonable.
The rest? well he gave away six first rounders, one for an ROR rental to win us one round against a broken and tied Tampa.
Lostb players: Mason Marchment, Conor Brown-cup finalist, Kadri-cup winner, Durzi, Mckhelleny, Mcan,moore -32 goals for LA last year.
Jack Campbell. ?!?!
Peter Mrazek?!?!?
Gareth Sparks?!
Samsonov?!?
Murray?!??!
So WHY does anyone in Pitts think it would be different there?????
In his first press conference, he didn't know when Sid's contract was up and he had been in Pitts for three weeks. Hev talked about how nice everyone was and how his wife loved the city. ?!?!
Graves
Smith
EK
Jarry
Gryzlek
from 1 point out of the playoffs to way way way far out of the playoffs. most goals against in the league.
I've never seen such a poor record walk around with millions of dollars in pocket and with a free pass in 50 years of watching hockey.
I said it from May 2018, the guy doesn't know how to build a team.
He's just ripped any trade value right out of Jarry. Traded his best Third line defensive rei way centre away for nothing and that on a team with no defence. He should have played Jarry and traded him along with another player for a solid defender. And now he puts petterson on the block? he's the only guy who can play any defence at all! on a team with the most goals against. it's shocking.
can't figure out if they think the jarry signing was good or bad. Lots of contradictions between these two throughout this video.
Frank was scathing with how Jarry was handled.
He detailed various context that supported and potentially could contradict Dubas and his overall management record. There was lots of detail and context but he wasn't a fan of Dubas offering the extension to Jarri, only to waive him and lose all potential gains.
Frank also condemned Dubass for making Jarri the scapegoat since their defense was bad due to other roster moves. None of the other goalies are proven or much better, so its puzzling why he treated Jarri like an absolute scapegoat. Ned has no better of stats, and Blomquist isn't proven.
Someone doesn’t get sarcasm…
These two clowns don’t know theirs ass from a hole in the ground. Jarry and Graves contract year numbers were good enough to give those contracts… Some hit and some miss … Atleast he tried … and Karlsson deal gets done 10 out of 10 times … Reilly Smith was a great trade but Smith was a baby and didn’t wanna be in Pitt. If you guys had a clue you’d be running a team …. Frank couldn’t even keep his gig on TSN
Thankfully neither of you coach or are GMS. Whiney Leafs fans is what you are
I was actually interested in your opinion until you started talking. Blaming dubas is old. Talk player performance instead.
dubas is to blame
You guys need to watch the Penguins games before you start making comments. You clearly are completely out of touch, both of you.
I understand when you’ve supported a team who hasn’t won a Stanley Cup since 1967 that you’re bitter, but really!
You have said nothing.
Hopefully 57 isn't your birth year.
Frankie boy HATES Dubas
He has good points of criticism. Did he leave any positives out? Frank doesn't have fan goggles on, so it might be different than your perception of Pittsburgh Penguins current performance.
he's right
Nobody likes him.
Flyer Frank can be neutral when it comes to 30 teams in this league, but he just cannot hide his bias when it comes to the Penguins. The column was an absolute embarrassment. At least try to maintain some pretense of objectivity.
Two teams, he loves the oilers.
he's right
PIT needs to rebuild and Dubas hasn't been good but still has five more years left on the deal. But Dubas was part of the front office in TOR that had a rapid rebuild. The Tavares signing is most definitely not the issue in TOR.
i forgot the cups jt helped toronto win
@@donniedoesdishes
So now only teams that win Stanley cups make good decisions? Then almost every team makes terrible decisions at almost every front office personnel members should be fired immediately.
@ seems that way
@@donniedoesdishes
Very unreasonable standard.
sorry but JT was the BIGGEST issue because it was a position we had filled already for a much lower price and jtb screwed the nyi and the three young guys decided they were better and wanted the same money.
Nobody wants to see the Penguins fail, we just want to see them miss the playoffs every year but be just good enough so they don't get a top 10 pick. Keep them in the lost, mushy middle for the next two decades.
I do.
- Flyers fan
This PIT fan wants to see them finish dead last for the next half decade.