Fray we should not stand in a hole and swing flys and beads threw there lol you do the same dang thing in a lot of your videos have a fly with split shot almost five feet in front of it and you throw and swing your just special
Austin, you make a fair point, I'm going to pin your comment so people can see my response, and the story of how I got into all this. When I first got seriously into river fishing at age 13-15 I almost exclusively fly fished (all the time, not just for salmon). I had an old timer teach me the "chuck and duck " split shot- long leader- two fly rig at a popular dam , and I used it to hook a few fish. Noone ever mentioned flossing to me, just how hard the fish will slam black yarn and subtle nymph patterns that I now realize those fish can hardly see. After using this method awhile and getting a few negative responses to videos about flossing, I realized quickly. The technique was all about presenting in a way that put a sweeping horizontal leader in a fishes mouth. The flies used had nothing to do with it, as long as the hook point is exposed it will result in a head shaking fish. Once I realized this, I discovered with the right technique and long leadered rig I could hook any fish that were in front of me, in the mouth, with ease. I would argue I got pretty good at it! Everyone around me on the rivers was doing it And it was fun, but the negative comments I got from serious fisherman continued. I loved fly fishing so much I didn't want to give it up, so I switched to fishing streamer flies, which got me visible strikes and restored my faith in fly fishing. However, once I learned to fish skein and hardware my confidence in getting legitimate bites on a fly setup faded quickly. That's why all my more recent videos are skein and hardware based, with the exception of streamer cohos where I have shown tons of evidence that they bite. I have removed a few older videos where some blatant flossing was occurring, even if I wasn't fully aware at the time. I have mixed feelings about the technique, especially since it is by far the most widely used method on every great lakes trib. It is super effective and leads to action packed fun. I don't want to alienate or villainize those who do it. I think it should be all about intention and if you know that you aren't attempting to get bites from fish, it is a bit shady to be targeting them. But I get why it is so popular, and yes I was once an active and enthusiastic participant in the "chuck and duck" "bottom bouncing" fly fishing community!
Hey Fray I have followed you for awhile and it has been awesome to see your growth and your message is spot on I started fishing for salmon when I was 11 in downtown Grand Rapids My Father was a snagger from the 70s I’ve watched the culture change so much throughout the years and I can’t tell you how glad I was to see snagging done away with at Tippy and the Marquette I’ve been a part of all the Salmon fishing techniques and cultures I appreciate that you have a willingness to show some insight and let people catch on rather than a judgment about how they fish I’ll be be 53 on the 21st of Sept I’ve lived in Georgia for 30 years but still make the trip regularly to the Betsie The Platte and make my last stop my spot In the Grand My favorite hookups are on spinners and I’ve gone 2-3 day trips a couple times empty The Chuck and duck is a fond memory of 15-20 hookup’s and landing 1 or 2 fish I was 11 when I started 24 when I landed my first King 25 landed my first Steelhead Then I killed it when I was in my 30s if there were fish I was catching them My limit was the most important thing Now I’m back where I started but if I get 1 slamming hit out of a 3 day trip I’m good till the next season Keep up the good work you’re journey has been great to watch!
Awesome message about realistic expectation. Had a buddy of mine guide me on my first ever salmon and centerpin experience and hooked into over 12 fish, with 3 landed. Since then I've been going on solo outings, and out of 4 trips, only hooked into 4 fish with 0 landed (all of which were in 1 trip). You can't win every time, but I know that I just gotta put in the hours and effort and it'll eventually pay off.
Been fishing my whole life and never heard of fishing for king salmon before. Wanting to plan a trip within the next month. I was told to go to Pere Marquette river.
hey dude, thanks for all the great videos. but just wanted to mention the artificial beads. "fishing with rod", mentioned a quite legit reason for it, he was saying like: "u can use it to minimize the harvesting of eggs to have more of it getting spawn/fertilized" and i just thought to share it with you guys if havent already seen it. cheers guys
Only thing worse than a 20 pound darky is a 25 pounder. There is no edible meat on those hens. Let them spawn! How do you get the stank off your hands? Sad these fish are harassed.
Okay so fishing here is legit some of the best fishing period...the taboo of fishing here is 100 percent ppl wanting to keep it quiet because then everybody will do it... years ago everyone used leaded treble hooks so it blows my mind on the hate people give... thank you for challenging yourself to be above the crowd and put out good info.
Yes theres a group of local angler's that would rather the flossers keep flossing as long as they stay out of their preferred spots.. personally I think an overall increase in respect for the fish would be better for everyone
Great message man! But don’t kid yourself into thinking that guides in boats don’t floss the shit out of the salmon! Not all of them do , but it’s fairly common.
I was taught to snag these big guys. Did way better when we snagged. But we did learn to fish the normal right way and still ended up with 6 or 7. Definitely happy to see that hook it the corner of the mouth. Thank you for what you do. Teach people like me the right way.
Have you ever tried Flatfish lures for steelhead? I have had tremendous luck with them in Indiana and in the Erie PA area. They have a slow wobble movement that is irresistible to steelhead. In clear water a size 7 in the Perch Scale pattern works well. In muddy water either a chartreuse or bright pink pattern works well. You can add split shot about 18 to 20 in above the lure to adjust for water depth. If you try one, crank it just fast enough to make the lure wobble. Slower is always better. The real thrill is when the strike happens; they just about pull the rod out of your hands. Cabela's usually has a pretty good selection available on line. Don't buy them with the spreader hook option. Just get them with a single treble at the rear. The Flatfish don't work well in really fast water, but are great in anything else.
Love your videos and passion. I have been trying to find the arctic spinner since I seen you first introduce the lure. I CANNOT find it. Where can I find one to purchase? Please, share a link.
I used to yank holes (a.k.a. flossing) because that is how I was taught. I was pretty good at it too so it took me a while to get into float fishing. Been fishing Chinook in Michigan and Wisconsin rivers for 22 years. I got into bobber fishing a few years ago and now that is all I do. That is the only way I want to fish Chinook now. I went up last week. Didn't fish to hard except for one day. I landed 11 out of 15 hookups (2 of which were foul hooked so I pulled on purpose). In the chuck and duck days, landing ratio was about 1 for 6 hookups. Sure you don't get as many hookups but you land a lot more fish, the fight is more fun too because you can turn fish when hooked in the mouth and keep them out of the lumber yard. I even built my own spiral wrapped baitcaster rod specifically for Kings. It's an absolute whooping stick. I can't get enough of the bobber fishing.
I have tried spinners for salmon and steelhead I just never had any luck. I have to admit it is fun to see you catch on that spinner! Keep up the good work!
Always a tuff choice in deciding what tackle is appropriate for the fish your chasing! You want a good 😊 fight, but if not keeping your fish you don't want to kill it in a prolonged fight!! Tuff to decide!!
I think the color of the fishes skin doesn't always correlate with the texture. I could feel that this fish had firm meat, so I decided to harvest it. Smoking will firm it up too
You should come to Washington and fish with addicted fishing. It was cool when the came and fishes with you but it would be really cool if you went to there neck of the woods to. And as always killer video bro
People need to get over what type of presentation you are using, and look at how you are using it... using Beads is NOT flossing if you DEAD DRIFT you float, that means not pulling against it as it floats down the river. if you dead drift, your rig underneath will either follow directly behind, or directly in front of you float, in line with it as it goes down the river, not off to one side or the other. granted there are some holes that have interesting hydronics happening underneath the surface. If you dead drift, that is the ONLY way you can prove these fish bite, and that you are not flossing. Last year for Pink salmon i was dead drifting a pink fly on my center pin under a float and smashed pinks all season, it wasn't flossing the fish were biting. the only almon that dont really bite are sockeye salmon one they hit fresh water. they can and do bite bait in the shrimp variety but they do still bite. Salmon Eat "Skein" or as we on the west coast call it "Roe" as an instinctual mechanism for their own offspring's preservation. They eat the eggs because, less salmon offspring from others means their own offspring have more food and a better chance for survival. Fray you are doing good man. keep it up. rally with other local dudes that dead drift and start a movement!
When I first started fishing for salmon, I was on the first bend of a popular stream and wasn’t having any luck. Watching guys hook up drift after drift with flies was defeating but sticking with it eventually paid off. I’ve never went 3 for 45 like some but I’ve never been a snagger either lol
I been watching you since you started and you are doing a great job. I also chase salmon and use fly and spinning in the harbors. Some people will never believe that those fish bite. Great message to people who want to try it. I still enjoy flying most and a few fish per day is definitely what if realistic. Keep doing what you do and would love to see you using flies again. There is a clear difference fishing and floasing. Thanks for videos each season.
Right on Fray! Back in 2006 I put 4 "snaggers" to shame as I went 4 for 40 at tippy dam. Ran flies through a pod of fish,watched most of them bite. The snagging crew,4 guys,dragged in 1 out of 9 "hook ups". My pole was bent over 90% of the day,but I had a blast.
I have personally swung, bottom bounced, and outright stripped in streamers and other flys and have watched not only coho but kings slam them in clear water. It’s a matter of pissing them off enough to get them to bite
I fish Steelhead in the spring, use same techniques, at tippy I was undergunned, using 12 lb leader and 14 lb mainline( mono). Couldn't turn most salmon back upstream, but watching line peel was great. Most fly patterns work, atlas Mike's egg flies worked except pea green. Could watch fish open mouth most drifts, match flow of water drift properly.
@@Bpositiveandprosper as Blake said, it's possible with the right fly. My friend found out the excellent fly by trial and error until the fly was consistently inside the mouth. Constantly swapped flies for a day.
Dude I’d be happy with a single hook up. Been out for weeks now, not a single fish. I’m in Sheboygan WI and they’re running but just can’t get them to take. I’ll go 0/10000 before I snag but man is it tiring just spending hours a day for nothing.
Yea man snagging isn’t satisfying. You catch more fish but with each fish you snag you feel like you are cheating and don’t really feel like you earned it. My first season ever I was taught to snag by the local guys then I found skein vids on UA-cam and never went back to snagging.
I have used 7ft medium action spinning rods in the past. Now I am using a 10 foot Medium heavy and love it. It's from blood run tackle but not available yet on the site
Good on you Fray for trying to change the snagging culture of river salmon fishing. I live on the west coast and it's the same in California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia and Alaska! I think it's mostly just greed and laziness that causes it. It's SO prevalent, especially where king salmon congregate that I don't know if using reason and trying to teach will be effective? Keep up the good fight!
Another great video Frey. Great to see you out fishing finally. We we're up fishing to, one day bites on every couple drifts, next could'nt buy a bite. Yesturday not a single bite. But we still seen them caught. I just don't see that way of fishing exciting. It's work to catch one of those fish, and they definantly beat us up this week. They we're hot. Keep it up love the fishing!!
Awesome Frays! I'll be hitting the river too this weekend, good to see that they are biting! I'll be using the same tactics myself. The offer still stands to get in contact with me for a free campsite to fish the area.
You’re so right. In all things I’ve learned it’s all about managing expectations, and try my best daily. Especially fishing haha. You’re doing great things buddy thank you.
Hey Fray I’ve been watching your videos for a while I’m still a beginner. I have bought like 7 arctic spinners where should I fish on the river. I’m trying to get on my first salmon this season. I live in Michigan. I’d love some helpful advice.
Great stuff. Exactly how it goes out there. I do the same thing on the salmon river in ny. It’s 98% lifters but every time I get one on a spinner I hear “wow they will hit those” too many people think they will not hit.
what are the regs for spinners in NY special regulation salmon river?, i know they would have to be single hook gap under 1/2in and 1/8oz or under, but are they even allowed?
People just don’t understand the feeling of the bite, it’s CRAZY fun. I use spawn bags a lot because I just make my own but sadly last year people were snagging so much that the fish wouldn’t want to bite. Had success this year early run with them smashing the spawn bags thankfully.
Fray I'm from San Diego and have been wanting to plan a trip to Michigan to fish some rivers and creeks like in this video. I'm a lover of rivers and streams being my father is from PA so lake fishing is bland to me. If you could not exact spots but what are some great river systems to point me in the direction to fish? Thank you in advance fellow fisherman
@@FishFray I'm from erie,pa. The steelhead alley state, also owner of a baitshop, im looking to go to Michigan to fish for salmons, any pointers on where to go and what river or streams. Or where I can possibly meet you .
I enjoy so much your videos. It reminds me of my fishing days. Thank you. I wish I could find peaceful and quiet spots like the ones you show. Unfortunately not the case in the areas I used to fish like the salmon river NY. Lots of snaggers and litter all over. Very discouraging.
@@FishFrayIt is unbelievable how careless some so called “fishermen” are. Total disregard of these beautiful rivers. Have you fished the Salmon River in NY?
Spinning reel is a pflueger president 35, spinning rod is a rod from blood run tackle that should be available soon. Centerpin rod and reel are linked in the description. Thanks for watching !
Fray we should not stand in a hole and swing flys and beads threw there lol you do the same dang thing in a lot of your videos have a fly with split shot almost five feet in front of it and you throw and swing your just special
Austin, you make a fair point, I'm going to pin your comment so people can see my response, and the story of how I got into all this.
When I first got seriously into river fishing at age 13-15 I almost exclusively fly fished (all the time, not just for salmon). I had an old timer teach me the "chuck and duck " split shot- long leader- two fly rig at a popular dam , and I used it to hook a few fish. Noone ever mentioned flossing to me, just how hard the fish will slam black yarn and subtle nymph patterns that I now realize those fish can hardly see.
After using this method awhile and getting a few negative responses to videos about flossing, I realized quickly. The technique was all about presenting in a way that put a sweeping horizontal leader in a fishes mouth. The flies used had nothing to do with it, as long as the hook point is exposed it will result in a head shaking fish. Once I realized this, I discovered with the right technique and long leadered rig I could hook any fish that were in front of me, in the mouth, with ease. I would argue I got pretty good at it! Everyone around me on the rivers was doing it And it was fun, but the negative comments I got from serious fisherman continued.
I loved fly fishing so much I didn't want to give it up, so I switched to fishing streamer flies, which got me visible strikes and restored my faith in fly fishing. However, once I learned to fish skein and hardware my confidence in getting legitimate bites on a fly setup faded quickly. That's why all my more recent videos are skein and hardware based, with the exception of streamer cohos where I have shown tons of evidence that they bite.
I have removed a few older videos where some blatant flossing was occurring, even if I wasn't fully aware at the time. I have mixed feelings about the technique, especially since it is by far the most widely used method on every great lakes trib. It is super effective and leads to action packed fun. I don't want to alienate or villainize those who do it. I think it should be all about intention and if you know that you aren't attempting to get bites from fish, it is a bit shady to be targeting them. But I get why it is so popular, and yes I was once an active and enthusiastic participant in the "chuck and duck" "bottom bouncing" fly fishing community!
Hey Fray
I have followed you for awhile and it has been awesome to see your growth and your message is spot on
I started fishing for salmon when I was 11 in downtown Grand Rapids
My Father was a snagger from the 70s
I’ve watched the culture change so much throughout the years and I can’t tell you how glad I was to see snagging done away with at Tippy and the Marquette
I’ve been a part of all the Salmon fishing techniques and cultures
I appreciate that you have a willingness to show some insight and let people catch on rather than a judgment about how they fish
I’ll be be 53 on the 21st of Sept
I’ve lived in Georgia for 30 years but still make the trip regularly to the Betsie The Platte and make my last stop my spot In the Grand
My favorite hookups are on spinners and I’ve gone 2-3 day trips a couple times empty The Chuck and duck is a fond memory of 15-20 hookup’s and landing 1 or 2 fish
I was 11 when I started 24 when I landed my first King
25 landed my first Steelhead
Then I killed it when I was in my 30s if there were fish I was catching them
My limit was the most important thing
Now I’m back where I started but if I get 1 slamming hit out of a 3 day trip I’m good till the next season
Keep up the good work you’re journey has been great to watch!
Keep it up fray. Love your style videos and the spinner bites and bobber down videos are sick!
Awesome message about realistic expectation. Had a buddy of mine guide me on my first ever salmon and centerpin experience and hooked into over 12 fish, with 3 landed. Since then I've been going on solo outings, and out of 4 trips, only hooked into 4 fish with 0 landed (all of which were in 1 trip). You can't win every time, but I know that I just gotta put in the hours and effort and it'll eventually pay off.
Thanks for sharing your realistic story!
In NY snagging was legal up until about 30 years ago. It is a hard habit to break and ingrained in the culture of the Great Lakes. It is changing man.
Been fishing my whole life and never heard of fishing for king salmon before. Wanting to plan a trip within the next month. I was told to go to Pere Marquette river.
hey dude, thanks for all the great videos. but just wanted to mention the artificial beads. "fishing with rod", mentioned a quite legit reason for it, he was saying like: "u can use it to minimize the harvesting of eggs to have more of it getting spawn/fertilized" and i just thought to share it with you guys if havent already seen it. cheers guys
I've lived in Michigan all my life and never fished for Salmon or Steelhead, I think this is the year I am going to try! Looks extremely fun!
I started this year. Was in manistique hooked a steelhead lost it
Only thing worse than a 20 pound darky is a 25 pounder. There is no edible meat on those hens. Let them spawn! How do you get the stank off your hands? Sad these fish are harassed.
I see you guys do salmon fishing I’m really like , can you guys give me the address for go fishing please,
What is the best company name for a fishing pole to use for salmon fishing can I use a Shakespeare open face rod
When's the best time to get out on the water for lake Michigan salmon and steelhead?
Good stuff 🤙🏻
Great video ….way to give some respect to these fish…
Thanks !
What month is this? Going to perre marquet and manistee end of august and beginning september.
Is there anyway I could get this location please and thank you?
Okay so fishing here is legit some of the best fishing period...the taboo of fishing here is 100 percent ppl wanting to keep it quiet because then everybody will do it... years ago everyone used leaded treble hooks so it blows my mind on the hate people give... thank you for challenging yourself to be above the crowd and put out good info.
Yes theres a group of local angler's that would rather the flossers keep flossing as long as they stay out of their preferred spots.. personally I think an overall increase in respect for the fish would be better for everyone
what color spinner are you using is it the charturese charturese or the glow chartruse
Snagging is for dirtbags that dont know how to fish and shouldnt be on the water.
Great message man! But don’t kid yourself into thinking that guides in boats don’t floss the shit out of the salmon! Not all of them do , but it’s fairly common.
Ha, I hear you there.
Hey what is the spinner use for salmon fishing
I wish everyone stopped snagging them
I'm new to it but I can't imagine doing that. Might aswell just spear them
Great video fray what river are u on by chance
Damn good message at six min mark..... I've had good luck putting a spawn bag on the hook of my spinner..... works well in deep water.....
salmon do not feed when they hit the river system
I was taught to snag these big guys. Did way better when we snagged. But we did learn to fish the normal right way and still ended up with 6 or 7. Definitely happy to see that hook it the corner of the mouth.
Thank you for what you do. Teach people like me the right way.
Awesome, thanks !
Its almost go time !
Have you ever tried Flatfish lures for steelhead? I have had tremendous luck with them in Indiana and in the Erie PA area. They have a slow wobble movement that is irresistible to steelhead. In clear water a size 7 in the Perch Scale pattern works well. In muddy water either a chartreuse or bright pink pattern works well. You can add split shot about 18 to 20 in above the lure to adjust for water depth. If you try one, crank it just fast enough to make the lure wobble. Slower is always better. The real thrill is when the strike happens; they just about pull the rod out of your hands. Cabela's usually has a pretty good selection available on line. Don't buy them with the spreader hook option. Just get them with a single treble at the rear. The Flatfish don't work well in really fast water, but are great in anything else.
Love your videos and passion. I have been trying to find the arctic spinner since I seen you first introduce the lure. I CANNOT find it. Where can I find one to purchase? Please, share a link.
I used to yank holes (a.k.a. flossing) because that is how I was taught. I was pretty good at it too so it took me a while to get into float fishing. Been fishing Chinook in Michigan and Wisconsin rivers for 22 years. I got into bobber fishing a few years ago and now that is all I do. That is the only way I want to fish Chinook now. I went up last week. Didn't fish to hard except for one day. I landed 11 out of 15 hookups (2 of which were foul hooked so I pulled on purpose). In the chuck and duck days, landing ratio was about 1 for 6 hookups. Sure you don't get as many hookups but you land a lot more fish, the fight is more fun too because you can turn fish when hooked in the mouth and keep them out of the lumber yard. I even built my own spiral wrapped baitcaster rod specifically for Kings. It's an absolute whooping stick. I can't get enough of the bobber fishing.
One year I was fishing 10# xt lost 9 for 10 The next day I came rigged with 12# xt and landed 11 out of 12
Fish On!
Nice!
That's what I'm saying, match your tackle to your game!!
I see you do the Wallace cast I only do the side cast with my centerpin I did practice the Wallace cast it’s not so bad.
I have tried spinners for salmon and steelhead I just never had any luck. I have to admit it is fun to see you catch on that spinner! Keep up the good work!
It usually isn't hot action but if I fish the spinner for long enough I seem to have luck! Thanks !
Amazing fishing day!
Trying your favorite spinner in New York this year love you videos good luck this year
Always a tuff choice in deciding what tackle is appropriate for the fish your chasing! You want a good 😊 fight, but if not keeping your fish you don't want to kill it in a prolonged fight!! Tuff to decide!!
The Harvest Moon is my Favorite night of the Year to fish all night 😊🤙❤️🌎🕊
Great message on your philosophy. Actually-perfect! I don't know where you are hiking, but they always look like awesome spots. Nice job-Fish Fray!
Reel n rod setup you used?
What spinners do you suggest for steelhead?
I like a Mepps #3 in gold or chrome
Honest question- do they even taste good smoked that far along into the season? They are so white and soft. Let me know- maybe I’ll try it one day.
Smoked they sure do. Pretty good if you make salmon patties too. If you’re going to keep them for eggs, definitely worth to smoke them up.
@@nickbrown6916 interesting. Might have to give that a try from someone that knows what they’re doing.
I think the color of the fishes skin doesn't always correlate with the texture. I could feel that this fish had firm meat, so I decided to harvest it. Smoking will firm it up too
what river is this?
I think the term you are looking for is "Flossing". You really do a great job with your videos, thanks!
The only reason they won’t bite is if it’s too warm
Low and or clear
Or if someones snagged them
I had a nice silver buck smoooke my bag the other day
Stop telling people that the fish are in the water....you're wrecking it for the rest of us. 🤣🤣🤣
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Headed to pm for my first king trip. Can't wait after binging these Vids 😂
You should come to Washington and fish with addicted fishing. It was cool when the came and fishes with you but it would be really cool if you went to there neck of the woods to.
And as always killer video bro
Someday!
Great show, missed younz for a few days traveling and glad to be back watching!
Good 👍
What river can you recomending me to go fish Salmon
I went back before dark and Hooked up with this monster king,Keep fishing
People need to get over what type of presentation you are using, and look at how you are using it... using Beads is NOT flossing if you DEAD DRIFT you float, that means not pulling against it as it floats down the river. if you dead drift, your rig underneath will either follow directly behind, or directly in front of you float, in line with it as it goes down the river, not off to one side or the other. granted there are some holes that have interesting hydronics happening underneath the surface. If you dead drift, that is the ONLY way you can prove these fish bite, and that you are not flossing.
Last year for Pink salmon i was dead drifting a pink fly on my center pin under a float and smashed pinks all season, it wasn't flossing the fish were biting. the only almon that dont really bite are sockeye salmon one they hit fresh water. they can and do bite bait in the shrimp variety but they do still bite.
Salmon Eat "Skein" or as we on the west coast call it "Roe" as an instinctual mechanism for their own offspring's preservation. They eat the eggs because, less salmon offspring from others means their own offspring have more food and a better chance for survival.
Fray you are doing good man. keep it up. rally with other local dudes that dead drift and start a movement!
Thanks for describing all this! I'm hoping to get some bead fish still this season
Great video. Been thinking about trying float fishing for once. Great job!
When we going Fray? I’ll trade fishing trips for a day! River salmon for Saginaw Bay walleye?
Ha, do you ice fish? I'm pretty busy this fall but you can shoot me an email frayd@ferris.edu
When I first started fishing for salmon, I was on the first bend of a popular stream and wasn’t having any luck. Watching guys hook up drift after drift with flies was defeating but sticking with it eventually paid off. I’ve never went 3 for 45 like some but I’ve never been a snagger either lol
I been watching you since you started and you are doing a great job. I also chase salmon and use fly and spinning in the harbors. Some people will never believe that those fish bite. Great message to people who want to try it. I still enjoy flying most and a few fish per day is definitely what if realistic. Keep doing what you do and would love to see you using flies again. There is a clear difference fishing and floasing. Thanks for videos each season.
I'm trying to figure out how to squeeze in some fly fishing vids, we will see
@@FishFray what rod are you using ?
Right on Fray! Back in 2006 I put 4 "snaggers" to shame as I went 4 for 40 at tippy dam. Ran flies through a pod of fish,watched most of them bite. The snagging crew,4 guys,dragged in 1 out of 9 "hook ups". My pole was bent over 90% of the day,but I had a blast.
Do salmon actually bite flies? I’ve heard of them hitting spinners and skein but realistically do they hit flies???
I have personally swung, bottom bounced, and outright stripped in streamers and other flys and have watched not only coho but kings slam them in clear water. It’s a matter of pissing them off enough to get them to bite
Sounds awesome !
I fish Steelhead in the spring, use same techniques, at tippy I was undergunned, using 12 lb leader and 14 lb mainline( mono). Couldn't turn most salmon back upstream, but watching line peel was great. Most fly patterns work, atlas Mike's egg flies worked except pea green. Could watch fish open mouth most drifts, match flow of water drift properly.
@@Bpositiveandprosper as Blake said, it's possible with the right fly. My friend found out the excellent fly by trial and error until the fly was consistently inside the mouth. Constantly swapped flies for a day.
Dude I’d be happy with a single hook up. Been out for weeks now, not a single fish. I’m in Sheboygan WI and they’re running but just can’t get them to take. I’ll go 0/10000 before I snag but man is it tiring just spending hours a day for nothing.
That's some dedication, I respect that! Good luck !
Yea man snagging isn’t satisfying. You catch more fish but with each fish you snag you feel like you are cheating and don’t really feel like you earned it. My first season ever I was taught to snag by the local guys then I found skein vids on UA-cam and never went back to snagging.
I was taught flossing by locals when I first started, the switch to legitimate methods was tough but rewarding.
What rod would you recommend to use for casting lures? I know you mentioned it before but I just can't find the video
I have used 7ft medium action spinning rods in the past. Now I am using a 10 foot Medium heavy and love it. It's from blood run tackle but not available yet on the site
Good on you Fray for trying to change the snagging culture of river salmon fishing. I live on the west coast and it's the same in California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia and Alaska! I think it's mostly just greed and laziness that causes it. It's SO prevalent, especially where king salmon congregate that I don't know if using reason and trying to teach will be effective? Keep up the good fight!
That's too bad! I'm not sure education will solve the problem either, I certainly haven't seen much change so far
Another great video Frey. Great to see you out fishing finally. We we're up fishing to, one day bites on every couple drifts, next could'nt buy a bite. Yesturday not a single bite. But we still seen them caught. I just don't see that way of fishing exciting. It's work to catch one of those fish, and they definantly beat us up this week. They we're hot. Keep it up love the fishing!!
Great story, that's how it goes! Thanks
Going out with a guide tomorrow on the Manistee river and then going out later on our own.
Awesome Frays! I'll be hitting the river too this weekend, good to see that they are biting! I'll be using the same tactics myself. The offer still stands to get in contact with me for a free campsite to fish the area.
I have to work this weekend unfortunately, good luck!
Quick question,Do spawn sacs work good for catching Chinook salmon?
They can! I have not used them much compared to skein chunks though
You’re so right. In all things I’ve learned it’s all about managing expectations, and try my best daily. Especially fishing haha. You’re doing great things buddy thank you.
Thanks !
Another great video. I appreciate your message.
Love me that Taylor rd spot hahahaha
Nice video. How big is your rod?
love it. Good stuff Fray!
Nice video and message, Fray. Thanks!
Probobly wont get out this season but I have a new BER spinning reel a BOOM that i am dying to try on kings.
Awesome!
I hooked onto a huge king yesterday but it spit the hook
Headed out to Manistee this weekend. Hoping to catch something. Staying just north of Tippy Dam, but may head out elsewhere, depending on what we see.
Good luck!
Great Video! Keep up the great work! Great tips on showing people that they actually bite in the river! Keep it up!
Thanks!
I am chompin at the bit to get out there and get on em 😭
Hey Fray I’ve been watching your videos for a while I’m still a beginner. I have bought like 7 arctic spinners where should I fish on the river. I’m trying to get on my first salmon this season. I live in Michigan. I’d love some helpful advice.
Fish are spread out up and downstream in all of our NW Michigan tributaries at this point in the season
Great stuff. Exactly how it goes out there. I do the same thing on the salmon river in ny. It’s 98% lifters but every time I get one on a spinner I hear “wow they will hit those” too many people think they will not hit.
what are the regs for spinners in NY special regulation salmon river?, i know they would have to be single hook gap under 1/2in and 1/8oz or under, but are they even allowed?
People just don’t understand the feeling of the bite, it’s CRAZY fun. I use spawn bags a lot because I just make my own but sadly last year people were snagging so much that the fish wouldn’t want to bite. Had success this year early run with them smashing the spawn bags thankfully.
It is a DIFFERENT feeling for sure, nothing like a flossing hookup at all...
Way to go fray. Very well said. Education and expectations are the key. Nice work 👏
That's how I see it too, thanks
Love the content Fray -- keep doing your thing brother.
Good job my boss❤️👍
Crazy you’re using a pin I can’t imagine fighting those timber savages on a drag less reel
It's not the easiest way to get them out for sure but it's what I am most comfortable with !
Thanks for the tips
Very nice
Nice video dude👍
Thanks man!
Have you ever used nightcrawlers and had success?
I have not tried using worms for salmon
When do u think they will be in the bestie river running good I'm going over there next week
Next week there should be at least a few around !
Fray I'm from San Diego and have been wanting to plan a trip to Michigan to fish some rivers and creeks like in this video. I'm a lover of rivers and streams being my father is from PA so lake fishing is bland to me. If you could not exact spots but what are some great river systems to point me in the direction to fish? Thank you in advance fellow fisherman
Muskegon, Pere Marquette, grand and platte rivers are all big systems that offer fantastic fishing for just about anything you want to fish for
Manistee river is another good one
well put fray good job
Great video!
God I've been dying for another spinner video! lol. Almost our time in the big WNY. Waiting for you to do a trip up here to get some more Kings!
It would be awesome , someday!
@@FishFray you wanna do that one day hit me up i got you dude.
Let me know when you get another spinner I ordered some in mid august and still havent gotten them.
The guy who makes them is absolutely slammed this time of year, however I bet you will get them soon!
@@FishFray we should invest in that company and scale it in the Great Lakes region and PNW. Supply and demand lol
You are completely right I truly think they will bite in the river
Just gotta believe!
Great message here. Thanks for taking the time to share that opinion.
Thanks Nate!
Love the video! Going to to that same spot you were at in the first clip this weekend!
Good luck!
Where do you fish for this fray, im coming up for Michigan to fish kings,been watching you since you were a young child getting your first fly rod.
I fish all Western Lake Michigan tribs in my videos, different rivers each video. Thank you for supporting my channel !
@@FishFray I'm from erie,pa. The steelhead alley state, also owner of a baitshop, im looking to go to Michigan to fish for salmons, any pointers on where to go and what river or streams. Or where I can possibly meet you .
Is this northern michigan or southern?
Northern
I enjoy so much your videos. It reminds me of my fishing days. Thank you.
I wish I could find peaceful and quiet spots like the ones you show. Unfortunately not the case in the areas I used to fish like the salmon river NY. Lots of snaggers and litter all over. Very discouraging.
We have snaggers and litter here too but thankfully space to get away from it as well!
@@FishFrayIt is unbelievable how careless some so called “fishermen” are. Total disregard of these beautiful rivers.
Have you fished the Salmon River in NY?
Holding to get some on skein this weekend!
Possibly spinners as well
Good luck! Skein bite has been best this year
What is the rod and reel setup are you using in the video
Spinning reel is a pflueger president 35, spinning rod is a rod from blood run tackle that should be available soon.
Centerpin rod and reel are linked in the description.
Thanks for watching !
R u using braided line sounds like it?
Yes I run 40lb braid on my spinning reels