I actually came to this conclusion by myself but am more confident about it hearing someone who seems to know what they are talking about reinforce it lol! Thank you!
I own the GTX100 and it is a phenomenal amp for the money. Generally I use my Mesa Nomad 100 and Mesa 212 (V30) for live play or my Neural DSP amp sims for recording, but that in no way takes away from the Fender. The amp models sound amazing and is plenty loud for home play and can work in live settings unless you play Metal with a loud drummer. If you run FOH then the Fender would work just fine. It is a shocker how good it actually sounds. When the new toy come out I was shocked at how similar it was to the GTX. Same? Probably not exactly but definitely similar and too close to justify the cost IMO.
Exactly. I had a chance to finally play the ToneMaster Pro at a local guitar shop recently and it sounded pretty close to the GTX (in a good way). ToneMaster Pro has more processing power obviously, but the algorithms behind it are more the same than different and the results from both are quite good.
I have tried both. I don’t own the TONE master pro, but I had it for a few days, but I do own the GTX 100. I also own a quad cortex. I am getting a little bit tired of the FRFR thing as I am not able to get it to react like an amp. And if I’m going to use a Hi cut EQ to get rid of all of the tweeter sounds, why do I need a tweeter? Duh…. I run a leave on Fulton 2b booster in front of the amp and then I have a Keeley Halo delay in the effect loop of the GTX 100. I swear that this little system sounds so incredible after you tweak it, that I am considering replacing my quad altogether. I don’t need 1000 sounds but I like to have at least a good 15 to 20 for any kind of genre and this thing does it. I will say that the GTX 100 has a few real good presets, but a bunch of bad ones from the factory, which is quite common. But what you can create if you take, some time is staggeringly good. I forgot all about the TONE master pro, which I was very interested in after trying the GTX 100 and then purchasing it. I also want to say that the compressors are not the same. I could not get the tone master pros compressors to sound the way the GTX 100s do. The GTX 100 by far sounds better when it comes to compression . I think the fact that the power amp is immediately connected to an internal speaker just makes this thing sound great. I think something is just lost with FRFR . Lastly, because the I/O is so good on the back of the amp, you’re able to send a stereo left and right to the board if that’s important to you. But if you want a complete stereo set up on stage, you can also do that as well. I have a 210 stereo FRFR cabinet that I hooked up to and it sounded great. I am very impressed with this little amp and I completely agree with this video.
The GTX isactuallly a few month over 4 years old. I've had one since the debut and gigged it plenty with no switching issues and much better tone than many think. I agree with you that the TM series including the pro and the clone amps don't necassarily sound substantially better. I've played the deluxe ad i prefer my GTX because even if i DID hear much of a difference , i would never pay double for it and lose an infinitely more feature laden amp. But truth is i didn't hear anything more realistic or better. I also believe from what i have heard that there will be a TM pro based combo soon, possibly a mustang successor. But it;s gonna have to be a heck of an improvement for me to give up my GTX. decades of gigs with some great tube amps and the GTX is just the most satisfying amp ive owned because it sounds the same every nite and i'm almost never reaching over to tweak it at gigs because my tone ain't happening. That was a never ending thing even with the best tube amps i've had.
@@brianknapp2000 They royally screwed it up. I found the old APK and loaded it back on my phone. My buddy said 4.0 killed every single preset he had, too... HOURS of work, just gone, until he went back to the old version... >:(
I have the original GT with the GTX firmware installed. Great budget modleing amp and also works great as a powered monitor. I share your thoughts on this; but the switching on the GTX is very buggy. I would not use the switch with the amp for live use. There were dropouts as well due to the wireless implementation. I think the biggest thing will be how they support it.
I also own a GTX 100 as well, and since the new tone Master came out I have been thinking about the same points you bring up on this video ... To be honest i can't hear any difference from any of the tests and videos i've seen until now.
Yeah, I agree. I'm sure there are subtle differences, especially if you put the GTX100 side by side with the ToneMaster Pro and the FR-12 cab in the same room. But, in terms of total cost that would be nearly $1,700 of difference, and not sure it would be that much difference in tone. At a pro level, it might be worth it, but I'm guessing the majority of guitar players wouldn't get that much value relative to money spent.
Has anyone actually heard a conclusive answer in whether they are the same models/modeling platform? Does this mean the mustang micro plus has tone master pro tones for $130?
I’m on the search for a modulation / effect device. I’m owning a fender mustang gt100 and i was wondering if the step to the pro master is worth it. I came to the same conclusion that the real question is: is it worth the price difference 🤷🏻♂️ I’m not convinced. For now i’m leaning towards the hotone ampero 2 stage. Less then half the price and better options imo. An extra route for voice sounds good. Especially for home use. The one thing which is a plus for fender is the use of an ios/ os app. Sadly enough i can’t find one for hotone. So oké, i’m still searching 😋 Thanks for the video 👊🏼
So, I’ve played the tone master in guitar center for over an hour, and I’ve owned the gtx100, and the gtx100 sounds better, AND it has waaayyy more amps
I also own the gtx100 and sat in a local music store for a while with the tonemaster pro plugged into the fr cab and the tonemaster sounded just okay. Not bad by any means, but I could tell the tonemaster pro's algorithms are VERY similar (if not exactly the same). GTX100 is a pretty great value for what it is.
I would laugh if the models in the tone master pro is the same as the Mustang line. From the review's I've looked at... It might actually be... "Fender amps sound good, but rest kind of suck."
From the software side, I'm guessing they are more or less the same. ToneMaster Pro includes the reverb and tremolo on some of the amps, which is different at least a little bit. Having more processing power would allow for more simultaneous amps or effects, but I don't think it changes much on the core amp models themselves. It does look like Fender added some additional effects to the ToneMaster which weren't in the Mustang, so maybe they are going to take this farther than I expect. Only time (and software updates) will tell.
I just got my tonemaster pro yesterday (and I’m a current quad cortex user.) Clean amps really are great, and the reverb is outstanding. Marshall’s definitely need tweaking…I think the input -6dB pad helps. Anyway, if I had to guess, I’d say the similarities end with the look on the interface. The sound of the deluxe reverb and Princeton are easily on par with the quad cortex. The mustang definitely couldn’t do that to my ears. Myself NOT being a computer programmer, I can’t say whether it’s due to more processing, or better/newer algorithms…but in my opinion, it’s worth it to go with the tonemaster pro (speaking from a professional use standpoint.)
@@johnnymccoy1998 I am currently a Helix user, and I've been using it for more than five years. I'm considering buying a new unit, and my eyes are on the Quad Cortex. However, Fender just released their new unit, and it looks awesome. Since you have experience with both, which one do you prefer? I would greatly appreciate some advice from a fellow user.
I have a full gain pedalboard with 9 pedals on it and they sound like perfection through the GTX. Even better than my tube amps. I am going to sell my tube amps soon. I don't need anything else.
I did little pedal board to use with the GTX. Its much better than the on board effects (especially the overdrive). Planning selling the gtx and buy a Tone Master soon...
@@MasetheguitarmanI had the opportunity to play, side by side, the GTX (Princeton Reverb preset) and the Princeton Tone Master. The TM is MUCH better. Its like 2 total different sounds. And they suppose to sound the same...Its expensive but worth the money.
I agree the BOSS GT-1000 is underrated. I almost bought a GT-1000 CORE recently because it did sound really good. Not the most user friendly, but the tones are there if you learn it.
the GTX doesmt use any of the Tonemaster modelling. ifs a entirely new engine... and the only amp that use it are the tonemaster series. its highly misleading when you say they have the same modelling. nope. the gtx doesnt have the power to run any of the model in the tonemaster series. it takes 4 core (Arm).to run these amp... because the tremolo and reverb are modelled too. the otber 4 core are core are for STOMP effect... IU.. preset loading etc.
I work in software. It's likely that there is some shared code or algorithms. Might not be 100% the same, but I doubt it's a rewrite from scratch given the existing software investments in Mustang original, GT, GTX, and standalone ToneMaster amps.
Im part of the gear page gtx thread... there are several people that bought and returned the tone master pro.. cause and the end of the day it sounded just like the gtx 100 and 50.. yes different processor and features that arent available on gtx... at the end of the day after tweaking they could get the gtx to sound just like the tonemaster pro
I actually came to this conclusion by myself but am more confident about it hearing someone who seems to know what they are talking about reinforce it lol! Thank you!
I own the GTX100 and it is a phenomenal amp for the money. Generally I use my Mesa Nomad 100 and Mesa 212 (V30) for live play or my Neural DSP amp sims for recording, but that in no way takes away from the Fender. The amp models sound amazing and is plenty loud for home play and can work in live settings unless you play Metal with a loud drummer. If you run FOH then the Fender would work just fine. It is a shocker how good it actually sounds. When the new toy come out I was shocked at how similar it was to the GTX. Same? Probably not exactly but definitely similar and too close to justify the cost IMO.
Exactly. I had a chance to finally play the ToneMaster Pro at a local guitar shop recently and it sounded pretty close to the GTX (in a good way). ToneMaster Pro has more processing power obviously, but the algorithms behind it are more the same than different and the results from both are quite good.
It aint the cost of the Tone Master Pro, its my wages
I have tried both. I don’t own the TONE master pro, but I had it for a few days, but I do own the GTX 100. I also own a quad cortex. I am getting a little bit tired of the FRFR thing as I am not able to get it to react like an amp. And if I’m going to use a Hi cut EQ to get rid of all of the tweeter sounds, why do I need a tweeter? Duh…. I run a leave on Fulton 2b booster in front of the amp and then I have a Keeley Halo delay in the effect loop of the GTX 100. I swear that this little system sounds so incredible after you tweak it, that I am considering replacing my quad altogether. I don’t need 1000 sounds but I like to have at least a good 15 to 20 for any kind of genre and this thing does it. I will say that the GTX 100 has a few real good presets, but a bunch of bad ones from the factory, which is quite common. But what you can create if you take, some time is staggeringly good. I forgot all about the TONE master pro, which I was very interested in after trying the GTX 100 and then purchasing it. I also want to say that the compressors are not the same. I could not get the tone master pros compressors to sound the way the GTX 100s do. The GTX 100 by far sounds better when it comes to compression . I think the fact that the power amp is immediately connected to an internal speaker just makes this thing sound great. I think something is just lost with FRFR . Lastly, because the I/O is so good on the back of the amp, you’re able to send a stereo left and right to the board if that’s important to you. But if you want a complete stereo set up on stage, you can also do that as well. I have a 210 stereo FRFR cabinet that I hooked up to and it sounded great. I am very impressed with this little amp and I completely agree with this video.
The GTX isactuallly a few month over 4 years old. I've had one since the debut and gigged it plenty with no switching issues and much better tone than many think. I agree with you that the TM series including the pro and the clone amps don't necassarily sound substantially better. I've played the deluxe ad i prefer my GTX because even if i DID hear much of a difference , i would never pay double for it and lose an infinitely more feature laden amp. But truth is i didn't hear anything more realistic or better. I also believe from what i have heard that there will be a TM pro based combo soon, possibly a mustang successor. But it;s gonna have to be a heck of an improvement for me to give up my GTX. decades of gigs with some great tube amps and the GTX is just the most satisfying amp ive owned because it sounds the same every nite and i'm almost never reaching over to tweak it at gigs because my tone ain't happening. That was a never ending thing even with the best tube amps i've had.
Have you updated to the new 4.0 app? I hate it. What are your thoughts?
I don't like the new app.
@@brianknapp2000 They royally screwed it up. I found the old APK and loaded it back on my phone. My buddy said 4.0 killed every single preset he had, too... HOURS of work, just gone, until he went back to the old version... >:(
I have the original GT with the GTX firmware installed. Great budget modleing amp and also works great as a powered monitor. I share your thoughts on this; but the switching on the GTX is very buggy. I would not use the switch with the amp for live use. There were dropouts as well due to the wireless implementation. I think the biggest thing will be how they support it.
I also own a GTX 100 as well, and since the new tone Master came out I have been thinking about the same points you bring up on this video ... To be honest i can't hear any difference from any of the tests and videos i've seen until now.
Yeah, I agree. I'm sure there are subtle differences, especially if you put the GTX100 side by side with the ToneMaster Pro and the FR-12 cab in the same room. But, in terms of total cost that would be nearly $1,700 of difference, and not sure it would be that much difference in tone. At a pro level, it might be worth it, but I'm guessing the majority of guitar players wouldn't get that much value relative to money spent.
Thanks fir the heads' up.
This is like the pod go to the helix
Has anyone actually heard a conclusive answer in whether they are the same models/modeling platform? Does this mean the mustang micro plus has tone master pro tones for $130?
Good video. Thanks for this break down.
I’m on the search for a modulation / effect device. I’m owning a fender mustang gt100 and i was wondering if the step to the pro master is worth it. I came to the same conclusion that the real question is: is it worth the price difference 🤷🏻♂️ I’m not convinced. For now i’m leaning towards the hotone ampero 2 stage. Less then half the price and better options imo. An extra route for voice sounds good. Especially for home use. The one thing which is a plus for fender is the use of an ios/ os app. Sadly enough i can’t find one for hotone. So oké, i’m still searching 😋 Thanks for the video 👊🏼
No officially licensed Stealth in the Mustang though
Right, I think there is some kind of 5150 model in the Mustang, but it's not officially licensed.
So, I’ve played the tone master in guitar center for over an hour, and I’ve owned the gtx100, and the gtx100 sounds better, AND it has waaayyy more amps
I also own the gtx100 and sat in a local music store for a while with the tonemaster pro plugged into the fr cab and the tonemaster sounded just okay. Not bad by any means, but I could tell the tonemaster pro's algorithms are VERY similar (if not exactly the same). GTX100 is a pretty great value for what it is.
I would laugh if the models in the tone master pro is the same as the Mustang line. From the review's I've looked at... It might actually be... "Fender amps sound good, but rest kind of suck."
From the software side, I'm guessing they are more or less the same. ToneMaster Pro includes the reverb and tremolo on some of the amps, which is different at least a little bit. Having more processing power would allow for more simultaneous amps or effects, but I don't think it changes much on the core amp models themselves. It does look like Fender added some additional effects to the ToneMaster which weren't in the Mustang, so maybe they are going to take this farther than I expect. Only time (and software updates) will tell.
I just got my tonemaster pro yesterday (and I’m a current quad cortex user.) Clean amps really are great, and the reverb is outstanding. Marshall’s definitely need tweaking…I think the input -6dB pad helps. Anyway, if I had to guess, I’d say the similarities end with the look on the interface. The sound of the deluxe reverb and Princeton are easily on par with the quad cortex. The mustang definitely couldn’t do that to my ears. Myself NOT being a computer programmer, I can’t say whether it’s due to more processing, or better/newer algorithms…but in my opinion, it’s worth it to go with the tonemaster pro (speaking from a professional use standpoint.)
@@johnnymccoy1998 I am currently a Helix user, and I've been using it for more than five years. I'm considering buying a new unit, and my eyes are on the Quad Cortex. However, Fender just released their new unit, and it looks awesome. Since you have experience with both, which one do you prefer? I would greatly appreciate some advice from a fellow user.
AND THE LINE 6 POWER CAB ID CHEAP RIGHT? C'MON STOP PUTTING DOWN FENDER. UNBELIEVABLE
I bet your right!
My question is, does the pro control app work with the gtx50-100
Pretty sure it's the same phone app for both called Fender Tone.
AND NEURAL DIDN'T DO THE SAME THING PROMOTING THAT PIECE OF DIGITAL CRAP
Can the GTX 100 replicate a good acoustic effect (s)?
yes
Dou you know if its possible to use analogic pedals whith this amp?
Yes you can use analog pedals with the amp.
I have a full gain pedalboard with 9 pedals on it and they sound like perfection through the GTX. Even better than my tube amps. I am going to sell my tube amps soon. I don't need anything else.
I did little pedal board to use with the GTX. Its much better than the on board effects (especially the overdrive). Planning selling the gtx and buy a Tone Master soon...
@@tiagopeggau6256 why? It’s just a $1700 non speaker version of the GTX
@@MasetheguitarmanI had the opportunity to play, side by side, the GTX (Princeton Reverb preset) and the Princeton Tone Master. The TM is MUCH better. Its like 2 total different sounds. And they suppose to sound the same...Its expensive but worth the money.
Too mutch expensive! Crazy money! For mutch less money, BOSS GT-1000 does it all, and in some cases even more!
Cheers from Portugal 🤘🍺🇵🇹
I agree the BOSS GT-1000 is underrated. I almost bought a GT-1000 CORE recently because it did sound really good. Not the most user friendly, but the tones are there if you learn it.
Clickbait du jour
Yup. Another channel added to my do no recommend list.
Did you guys watch the video? No clickbait unless you really believed you could get a tonemaster pro for $1200 off 😂😂😂😂
stop talking price. a ferrari costs what a ferrari costs. you will never get one for a price of a fiat.
Ferrahri
Pedalera para ricos. Sonido plastico filtrado . Sonido sucio. No real. Sonido no natural. Buen marqueting para sacar la pasta
the GTX doesmt use any of the Tonemaster modelling.
ifs a entirely new engine... and the only amp that use it are the tonemaster series.
its highly misleading when you say they have the same modelling.
nope.
the gtx doesnt have the power to run any of the model in the tonemaster series.
it takes 4 core (Arm).to run these amp... because the tremolo and reverb are modelled too.
the otber 4 core are core are for STOMP effect... IU.. preset loading etc.
I work in software. It's likely that there is some shared code or algorithms. Might not be 100% the same, but I doubt it's a rewrite from scratch given the existing software investments in Mustang original, GT, GTX, and standalone ToneMaster amps.
Im part of the gear page gtx thread... there are several people that bought and returned the tone master pro.. cause and the end of the day it sounded just like the gtx 100 and 50.. yes different processor and features that arent available on gtx... at the end of the day after tweaking they could get the gtx to sound just like the tonemaster pro