“While I can pick up my pieces slowly and try to put them back together, he can’t.” The fact that this young man had his life stolen from him and still has the humility to speak about Joey like that says a lot. Proud of Tyler for his bravery, proud of his mama for her dedication, and proud of the lawyers for caring.
She got the death sentence and let her younger brother go to jail for no reason and STILL wouldn’t say anything in his defense? She is a disgusting excuse for a human
You know just as well as I that killers are cold to the touch. Human life ceases to have meaning for them whether friend, family or foe. I feel like I'm telling you nothing new.
And he was just *barely* adolescent. 13 is preburty for a lot of boys, and that one for sure. Bet, he was still playing with damn dinosaurs and hot wheels at that age!
His confession should have never been allowed because they interrogated a minor with a parent or lawyer present and did so intentionally. That is the most unethical thing that they could have done. They should all be fired and sued for that. And the judge should be removed from the bench for allowing that confession to be played in court.
It’s not illegal to interrogate minors without parents. It’s a state by state basis. He wasn’t in police custody so they didn’t need a lawyer. It also depends on the circumstances too. Being that it was a homicide case-I believe they were allowed to question him without his mom. (Do I think it’s right? Not necessarily)
And they also let him speak to his sister and didn’t think it was strange that before she was there he maintained his innocence but as soon as she speaks to him he takes the blame for everything
These cops are awful. They couldn't be bothered to record Kristy manipulating her brother? Common sense tells you that's what was going to happen. They were criminals themselves, attempting to ruin this young boys life when he didn't do anything.
You haven’t been watching murder mysteries very long. A fair portion of them are just like that. I believe there are statistics that claim 25% of them are psychopaths. I imagine more judges are. These people are not your friends and enjoy hurting people.
The worst part is there far from the only cops that have done this. A lot of detectives only care about closing a case. That don't care if it's the right person getting charged with the crime.
It should be 100% illegal to interrogate any minor without a parent or legal guardian. If not available, a child advocate approved by the courts should step in on behalf of the child.
(2) When it is necessary to take a child into custody, the least restrictive custody should be selected. (3) Unless the child is immediately released, the person taking the child into custody shall immediately notify the judge or his designee. Except when a child is endangered by a parent, guardian or custodian, before any interrogation may take place of a child who is seventeen (17) years of age or younger, law enforcement shall notify the child's parent, guardian or custodian and shall require the parent, guardian or custodian to be present during any questioning. (4) A child taken into custody shall not be held in custody for a period longer than reasonably necessary, but not to exceed twenty-four (24) hours, and shall be released to his parent, guardian or custodian unless the judge or his designee authorizes temporary custody.
it should be (and i thought it was) 100% illegal to interrogate ANYONE without a lawyer present. like tyler said, a lot of adults don't know the system and how it's stacked against the accused, you have a constitutional RIGHT to an attorney and any interrogation that takes place without one present should be considered to be coerced and inadmissible in court.
@@benjib0yyy It used to be an unwritten rule when it came to minors. It was never the law. This boy is far from the first kid to be railroaded into a conviction based on forced confessions.
“Someone that will lie to protect his sister will lie to protect himself.” DUDE. Those two things are contradictory! If he lied to protect his sister, why would he HAVE to lie to protect himself? Makes no sense
That were my thoughts exactly. I am watching a lot of crime and I keep being flabbergasted how in US attorneys constantly try to play on people's emotions instead of sticking to facts and logic, and often what they are saying doesn't even make any sense, like in this case.
Well they had to go through the formalities and niceties of a trial, and that remark by the prosecutor was so dumb that I almost think he said it on purpose because he wanted to lose.
What an amazing young man …trying to protect his sister who couldn’t give a damn about her little brother. As for his mum who lost everything, she should be refunded every penny
@@liveyourdreammedia His sister didn't need to threaten him because she had already manipulated him into thinking she was the best thing since sliced bread. She knew him, she watched him grow up and played on his vulnerability, naivety and his love for her. He actually is an amazing young man to have come through that ordeal and then dedicating his life to help other youngsters.
It’s heartwarming to know that he is supporting his mom now. She gave up everything in her entire life for him. I hope they have a happy life together.
God Bless You and may your innocence be shouted off the roof by the angels that are surrounding you. God please protect this son by your guardian angels and let the truth be known.
I agree with Tyler, there should be an attorney when a child is being interrogated, because often enough in these situation, it’s a family member manipulating them to say things and pull the emotion strings.
They should not have separated him from his mother lol its annoying how many issues like this happen mostly because of negligence! I hate cases that could be one quicker but because of stupidity of ego, they miss things & cause more harm!
In the UK it's illegal for Police to question a minor without an "appropriate adult" present. Be it parent, social worker or lawyer. Children can too easily ge coerced or intimidated into making false confessions to please aggressive adults questioning them.
@@darkangellew There are laws and even supreme court decisions on this issue. If he is under arrest, they have the right to question him BUT they are legally forced to read him his Miranda rights before any questions AND his age must be taken into account and his mental understanding of the Miranda rights. Basically, if he doesn't understand his rights, then his mother or an attorney need to be present to help him or any confession can be thrown away. 2011 Supreme court case of J.D.B. vs North Carolina where a boy was questioned in a room after a cop pulled him out of his class. The child felt he had no choice but to talk because he was detained but his rights were not read until AFTER the cop got the confession. The Supreme Court ordered the lower courts to reconsider the situation because of the child's age and situation in determining if he understood his rights.
Minors have the same right to an attorney that adults do, I raised my kids with strong sibling bonds and a healthy knowledge of their right to remain silent.
Wow, what a mother. ❤. This woman didn't only put everything in the line, but she refused to give up on her son. That's a real mother. I wish Tyler all the best in his new life and I would be proud to have a mother like her.
They tried to do that with my dad and I. When I was 9-10 my dad tried to traffick me into the dark web whenever I visited him. When I was 16 years later he was caught… they wanted me to testify in front of him. I said no I am not going to do that
Don't underestimate your parents. You'll be amazed by all the things they do for you while you know nothing about it. What you may judge lame, uncool parents, when snd if the moment calls, they'll be the one on your corner no matter what. Don't assume. Have a great life.
Was just thinking that. Isn't it illegal to interrogate a minor without a parent/guardian present? If it's not, it should be. Edit: Never mind, just got to the part of the video where they address that.
Real shit. Everything from his interrogation should have been thrown out. We've known since the central park 5, and since before that really, that the cops are good at manipulating kids into saying what they want to hear.
Her dad is a piece of garbage too. He knew his daughter wanted a gun to murder her husband for the insurance money. And the asshole didn’t say anything because she was going to buy him a car. Makes me wonder if dear old dad also told her to pin it on her half brother.
"Someone who will lie to protect his sister, will lie to protect himself." That is the biggest load of bs i have ever heard. That makes absolutely no sense. If anything, it is the complete opposite.
@@BubblesChika who are you responding to? Nature vs nurture is a long debated topic and there have been cases made for both, there's no telling what makes a psychopath though there are many theories. Who knows, maybe she had a head injury at some point, that seems to be a common trigger for people that kill for selfish reasons. The thing is, that mother knew her son was innocent, sometimes you can sense things. Her daughter Kristi already admitted to the murder and she knew her daughter too. Some parents see no fault in their kids, others know their kids very well.
This was so awful to listen to. From the way the investigator said “are you calling me a liar?” To the fact that his mama had to literally go into debt forever just to prove her son’s innocence. That should never have to happen.
Please, men everywhere -- be careful abt whom you have sex with! That psychopath did NOT deserve to get laid. Please stop thinking so much abt physical beauty, and start caring abt a woman's character!
@@DurzoBlunts That's not a sickness, that's logical. If people acted based on simple empathy, then we'd have far more problems in the justice system. Every person that has sob stories, especially women, would get off scot-free. Better everyone stays neutral and discuss the facts of the matter than allow the whims of random sympathy take over.
Yes she is strong. Still, she and her family should not have had to go through this. I wonder what other kinds of great things they would be doing for their community if they had not had to fight this uphill battle. If only law enforcement had done their jobs in the first place with common sense.
You do know she was the mother of the murderer too right? She raised the murderer who then blamed her son for the murder. As good of a mother as she is she's just as bad. She raised one good kid and one murderer.
@@MamaMOB that's sounds so stupid. It doesn't always matter who raised you or how you were raised. People are gonna turn out different. Good people can come from bad parents and bad people can come from good parents.
@@MamaMOBI was curious about that- there was a big age gap between them. The impression I get from the information given in the doco is they were only half or step siblings that didn't grow up together at all. Otherwise they wouldn't just be getting to know each other.
Modern science knows that the human brain doesnt reach maturity until the early 20’s yet the USA convicts very young teenagers under 16 sometimes for life Its ridiculous ! Many other countries have more common sense Glad hes out & hope he has a good life
The judicial system failed this child, and his family. If you take a child and (based on the words of a woman you already know is guilty), manipulate him, omit evidence, and falsely imprison him. Then, at the very least, you can compensate both him and his family, for stealing his youth, and leaving his mother with crippling debt just to correct your mistake. The courts, and the police, need to be held to a higher standard than this.
Absolutely, the failures in the judicial system can have devastating consequences, especially for innocent individuals and their families. It's essential that there are mechanisms in place to compensate those who have been wrongfully convicted and to hold accountable those responsible for such miscarriages of justice. No one should have to suffer due to the negligence or misconduct of law enforcement and the courts. Holding them to a higher standard is crucial for maintaining trust and integrity in our legal system.
@@wanimalus This is the most AI-looking comment I've come across on social media. *sigh* Not insipid AI comments in UA-cam, too... Is nothing going to be human-generated anymore?
The fact she went into debt because an evil woman can’t be accountable is sick. Also that judge smiling as he had the verdict. Our justice system is beyond repair.
Because conviction and closing a case is more important than justice and truth for most of the people in justice system, people are often tricked into confessing, and will be convicted even if the police don’t actually think they did it but the confession is enough to close the case. it’s very sad.
the justice system only? I am non-american, plenty of holes in ur whole systems. Healtcare - bad, justice - bad, gun laws - bad, taxes - bad. If I was living there I would be constantly under paranoia.
It starts with school(satanic indoctrination camp) and nonsensical abuse of parents abusing their kids by waking them up unnaturally and by ordering them to go to said place and by taking them there without informed consent. And im sorry but 6-7yolds giving informed consent? We all know this system is build on child abuse and this satanic indoctrination camp is not even first of it because first are toddler jabs (again without informed consent)
I hate that line adults use on kids, “You calling me a liar?” Like the system doesn’t care about the truth, just the confession. Reminds me of an incident in school; I dropped my lunch box and said SHOOT in front of the vice principal but because it was so loud, he thought I cussed. I said I didn’t and he hit me with the “You calling me a liar,” card and I folded. I should have said, “Yes I am. I said shoot as in shoot-fire.” I’m glad the kid managed to prove his innocence but his sister was just evil, plain and simple.
My mom passed away in 2010. Hearing the mother say how she traded everything she had to fund her sons defense made me want to cry. Reminds me of my own mother whom I still miss so much to this day. What an incredible blessing it must be to have had such a mother in his corner during this horrific experience.
Me too dear. My mom passed away last year and she did absolutely everything for me❤❤❤❤❤. I will try to do everything in order to make her proud of her baby girl. May our beautiful moms rest in eternal peace until we meet again insha Allah
@dianawatton7570 would you expect a doctor to treat you for free? No. At the end of the day, it's his job. An attorney comes across many innocent clients but still needs to make a living. He can't do all of them pro bono. At least she got her money's worth. Another lawyer wouldn't have tried as hard.
This is just disgusting, she killed someone innocent and then tried to get another innocent person into jail. I'm no saint but It takes a special kind of evil to do something like this.
He wasn't innocent. He held the gun on Joey as he slept, pulled the trigger, then as Joey lay bleeding and dying, he reached in his pocket and stole his paycheck that he had just cashed. Then he and Kristy went to party at the casino. He's guilty and got away with murder.
Women don't have morals anymore bro They fake rape cases They get with men they don't want just to get pregnant They believe they should have every right to everything but men should be subservient to their rights Modern women are literally what feminists pretend men are like Watch many videos like this and it's almost always the female involved who manipulated the men It's how they are raised today that's causing it
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive I agree They use men's emotions against them I expect it's why they all want men to be more in touch with their emotions Because an emotional man will always protect the female and if their emotions are simp like, they will do anything the female wants of them, if ger manipulation is done correctly Especially on young males Works a treat So many videos like this online Of women manipulating men like this
So glad to see his mother never gave up on him. Seeing him so young and in an orange jumpsuit, knowing he was innocent is so heartbreaking. His sister should never see the light of day again.
Mein Sohn ist auch 13. Die Vorstellung, dass er jetzt unschuldig ins Gefängnis müsste und ich würde ihn so weinen sehen, bricht mir das Herz 😢 Ein furchtbarer Fall
He could easily have accepted the manslaughter charge, moved to a different place and got on with his life. The fact he risked everything just to prove his innocence and is now campaigning to stop corrupt police from coercing children into false confessions she’s incredible character!
Right now I'm suing the FBI and state police for crimes against humanity where I am. I was railroaded into being falsely imprisoned at 7 years old. Stripped of my rights, psychically and psychologically tortured. For having committed no crimes whatsoever. Fast forward to 2023, everyone involved confessed in front of a judge. Provided written notarized and witnessed confessions. It ruined my life at 7 years old. The government still doesn't care, treats me like a common criminal. I still have no rights whatsoever, I was diagnosed with CPTSD from the whole ordeal.
@@user-gz4ve8mw9lI can only assume ur a black male ? 😢😢 I pray u win a lot of money it will neve ease ur trauma or erase ur memories but it will help u live without worry .. woth nothing but FREEDOM. That you deserve ❤❤
They should write a law stating that, if it is proven that a confession have been forcefully extracted by a cop and lead to a wrongful imprisonment, then the police officer who forced the confession must spend the same time in prison as the innocent person. They will think twice person trying that shit again.
I despise prosecutors who won't admit that mistakes had been made or that earlier prosecutors had been corrupt and then fight to keep an innocent person in prison. Justice is not a competition, with one side trying to defeat the other. The justice system is a search for truth.
I completely agree. It's disheartening when prosecutors refuse to acknowledge mistakes or corruption, leading to innocent people suffering. Justice should prioritize truth-seeking over competition. Every effort should be made to correct errors and ensure fairness for all.
@@kayceetaylor2151 Except that your concept of "search for the truth" is impossible. Because its an abstract. What does the truth look like? What must be done to achieve it? When is it good to say that its been achieved? You're complaining about a system that forces both sides to convince the jury or a judge about what is correct based on the laws; the "truth" is an abstract that is impossible to reach.
"If he'll lie to protect his sister, he'll lie to protect himself"... Like that's not a ridiculous fallacy. It's no different than saying... "if he's innocent, he's guilty".
@@RendezvousWithRama Lying to protect someone else who committed a murder would mean that he did not commit the murder. It's common sense. How could he lie to protect the other person from being guilty, but then be guilty of that same crime all alone? It's an fundamental impossibility (a simple logical paradox).
@@deucedeuce1572 I didn't say he was directly guilty of murder, I said he isn't innocent. He lied to protect the murderer from the law. That's a crime.
@@RendezvousWithRama Yeah but it don't make him guilty of murder. That was the whole point. Being guilty of lying is not being guilty of murder. You're pretty much arguing something that really has o bearing on what I said (and yeah, we all know he lied). I think you might have missed the point. He's not on trial for lying. He's on trial for murder and the DA is trying to say he is guilty of murder. (yet lacks the common sense to see his own logical paradoxes and "double-think").
As a sister to a wonderful little brother myself, I'm disgusted by the cruelty and callousness this monster showed towards hers. I would lay down my life without hesitation if it meant my little brother would always he safe and protected from harm. He will be turning 14 years old this year, and every day I'm proud of who he's grown to be, just as I'm sure Tyler's mother is proud of her selfless and loving son. ~ Louise
"You don't take advantage of children" - there are no truer words. I wish with my whole heart that the world was committed to this, like Tyler is. And thank goodness for people like him; and for his mum and attorney's persistence in freeing him.
Tyler’s 100% right. I was interviewed as a minor with my abusive parent present who just wanted to see me punished for something I never even did. 100% pressured to confession. Nothing as serious as this case. Judge took a look at it all and without me even speaking a word through the case out. Cop didn’t even show up.
I'm so sorry, I have a narcissistic parent who would have done that exa t thing if they got the chance. I've experienced that undafety and feelings of hopelessness that creates in other situations. I'm very glad that judge acted the way they did, and I hope you're safe and happy away from your parent now ❤
Adults who have mental disabilities should not even be allowed to be interviewed without a lawyer present. Children are not the only ones that get manipulated.
That’s what happened to the kid from Making a Murderer. I forgot his name, but I think it was Brandon Dassey. It was clear that the police and the actual killer Steven Avery manipulated him into saying he was there and participated in the murder. He’s still in prison and has no more appeals left. That kid got so screwed by everyone, but of course the legal system never wants to admit a mistake and would rather let an innocent person rot in jail instead.
They also routinely coerce confessions out of people who are drunk and/or high, taking advantage of their weakened mental state. If they want to interview someone they should wait until they're sober because everybody has the same rights, even drunkards.
When I was 19 and sex trafficked I called 999 and the police turned up gave the rapist a verbal warning not to rape again and laughed me off as a prostitute. They found it hilarious that there were multiple used condoms in the bin and took no evidence offered me no help and didn't even talk to me at all. A cop turned up 2 weeks later and stalked me without giving an explanation. He just kept saying prostitute louder and louder as I asked him to be quiet. After they left I called 999 crying, askin them if I did something bad and if I was going to be in trouble. I was hysterical thinking I'd be arrested for... Calling the police after bein raped. I feel really sad for the younger me. I wasn't mentally competent and the coersion an treatment of me literally made me think I was bad and in trouble. We need to protect innocent mentally incompetent people including kids from police abuse and disregard
Fear of death penalty. Her logic was sound, minor does 3 -5 years vs . Death penalty risk for her, min of life in prison. But after she saw his sentence, she should have came clean. At least. At the very least. She shouldn't have done it all , but I'm trying to see her thought process. After her got 50 years , she should have done something
I wish I had a mother like her. She is an inspiration. Good on this man for holding out hope that humanity would finally realise he is innocent. Its stories like these that bring real change, positive change.
Prosecutor had an IQ lower than Tyler's age when he was coerced into confessing, or was randomly spewing nonsense buzzwords in hopes of manipulating people into believing his BS like a politician.
@@WhtCrstlJudgmntDrgnYou’re kinda a dumbass if you think they only wanted him gone because he was male They targeted him because it bolstered their image as quick crime solvers. It wasn’t about accuracy but credit
To be honest I feel like the prosecutor didn't want to win this one. Listen to the lack of conviction and the doubtful nature of this suggestion to the jury 13:20.
Tyler is so lucky to have a mother like her, I lost my mother over a year ago and have a hole in my heart since, I miss so many things about her and it makes me happy to see he’s taking care of his mom after her spending her life saving to help him. What a great son and cute too😊
What an incredible young man Tyler Edmond’s is. Thank you for making this video documentary, his story needed to be told. Tyler’s law must always be supported and protected.
What a crappy sister and daughter. And they didn’t hear the sister propositioning him and begging to take the blame? And did he really spend 5 yrs in jail? (They said 5 yr preparation.)
And men get graped in prison. I guarantee, that poor kid was graped daily, for years, by grown men. And he didn't even commit any crime, certainly not on purpose (obstruction of justice?). But he was manipulated the whole way. Poor kid. I wouldn't be surprised if he is living an alternative lifestyle due exclusively to the way he was treated in prison. I hope to God he is living a normal life.
The sister is deplorable. How could you throw your brother under the bus like that, knowing that you could save his life? I hope Tyler is living his best life now, and I hope his mother is too. I hope they both find peace with everything they have been through.
They just want a perfect batting record for election. Their success is measured (on paper) by number of convictions, not accuracy. That's why they don't care once they have a confession if they have the right person or not... even if they come to find who the actual person was, they will stay with prosecuting the case they have, KNOWING it's wrong, if they think they can win.. and with a confession, they have a pretty good shot...
what's so strange to me about cases like this and some others is why the state won't let go when it's obvious there has been a mistake, like the toxicity of the system is so pervasive that they can't admit mistakes and will just keep going after an innocent person instead of admitting a mistake and letting go. Many many innocent people have been victimized in this way.
This really showed that you can have two people, raised in the same household, with the same advantages and disadvantages, and they can still become two entirely different people! Once you are in the court system it is impossible to get free of the picture they have of you. Parents may never really know the depth of the bond between two children in the same household. It's so sad this young man went through this experience out of love and loyalty. This would surely change a person, especially at such a young age.
I wonder if their parents realized early on how evil kristi really was? If tgey had any indications they could have prevented this experience for him. The mother really never addressed her relationship with her daughter.
I like how they gave the impression that Tyler’s attorney never gave up and continued to work on the case, even after the conviction, from the goodness of his heart, as opposed to the fact Tyler’s mother had to cash out every single penny she could get from her assets to pay him. And then the ending disclosed that Tyler has done everything he can over the last DECADE to raise funds in order to get his defense attorney paid off so his mother can get out of that extraordinary debt and back up on her feet again.
What? Do you think Lawyers are free? Do you think people shouldn't get paid for providing their work and service? Do you know why it cost her a lot of money that put her into debt? Because she paid for a good lawyer, who not only got the guilty verdict vacated and a new trial but was also able to get a not guilty verdict at that new trial. That is an extremely rare outcome, almost never happens. Maybe she could have gone with a less experienced bargain bin lawyer, but she loved her son and paid whatever she had to for him.
@@brianc8916 There are many lawyers that work free of charge, especially if they feel it is the right thing to do and the person in need doesn't have the money to afford their services. His point was that it was implied that the lawyer went above and beyond to help this family.. But in actuality, he only did what he was paid to do.. and that is fine, but he isn't some amazing person that helped this family in their time of need. Hell the lady still owes the lawyer money a decade after the fact. So he is just another lawyer that was paid to do what he was supposed to do, that is it. He did the minimum standard for what a lawyer you pay for should do, nothing special about him. And personally I'd say he is a prick, sure he did his job, but he is still a prick. The moment I heard she had to sell everything, put her house on the line, etc.. That should have been the point which he said, maybe I shouldn't let her lose her house and her car.. But no, after all that, knowing she basically lost everything, he's like don't worry, I know you clearly can't afford it, but I will just continue to bill you and you will just owe me money for the rest of your life.. Hell just typing that out pisses me off more, he is a greedy prick.
@@brianc8916 Never did I insinuate the attorney shouldn’t be paid. I was simply calling attention to the fact that the commentary and interviews suggested more than once that his lawyer remained tried-and-true, fighting the unjust sentencing of an innocent kid per his personal moral standards. Then we see that the mother and her son are heavily in debt for the ultra expensive representation even a decade later.
The fact that she had a debt was because the lawyer stayed on the case regardless of her not having the money. Lawyers don't usually do this at all, they demand money upfront and when that runs out, they demand more to stay on the case. This lawyer risked never getting paid, knowing she might never have the money, to stay on the case. It's obvious you don't understand how lawyers work else you would have noticed this obvious gift from the lawyer to fight the case with the promise that she could pay him back one day.
I did research his lawyer did work pro bono and he was asking for compensation for being wrongly convicted. He won at the supreme court level in Mississippi and was awarded 135,000 in 2017. There were some debit from the trial though from some of the expert witnesses though the defense hired but the lawyer did work for free.
"If he'd lie to protect his sister then he'd lie to protect himself". What a terrible argument because if he lied to protect his sister it means he is innocent. They can't have it both ways lmao. Calling him a liar because he lied for his sister means he's now telling the truth.
The demented cops seriously allowed a child to know that if he took the blame his sister wouldn't be killed, and expected him to do anything but lie? It's like they wanted to destroy the siblings, the woman for murdering a man, and the boy for daring to love his sister.
What a mother that lady is. This should be a movie. Many years ago I remember seeing a TV movie called A Death in Canaan about an 18-year-old who was coerced into a false confession for the murder of his mother after EIGHT hours of unsupervised interrogation without an attorney in 1973. Unfortunately, he didn't have a wonderful mother to advocate for him. He only avoided prison because a couple of celebrities who read about his case came to his aid. Tyler's story is even more compelling because he was 13 at the time, was framed by an evil sister, actually spent five years imprisoned, and had a warrior for a mom and a lawyer.
As a juror I would absolutely not except the confession of a child under 17 years old. If the confession was made without the parents in the room. Because the parents are their protection from being bullied into a false confession!
Here in the UK it’s the law that when a child is being interrogated/interviewed, they need to have a parent, guardian or social worker present as well as legal representation e.g lawyer
So sad tyler was treated the way he was by police and his sister. Then convicted. Im happy that in the end he was exhonorated and look how he has progressed! Advocate for law changes the help minors to automatically have attorny with them before questioning, which i truly wished that was a law. Him working in law enforcement is amazing.
This story gave me a new sense of hope for humanity. Yes, there are evil people in the world and there are good people who have been pushed to do evil things, but there are also good people who stand up for the truth and keep fighting no matter how hopeless the situation appears. This is such a motivational story.
You’re a great mom, you gave up everything to let your innocent son be freed, and your son appears to be a great man and live in his best life now with hurdles to jump but the love between you two is inspiring. Thank you for your story.
This case is incredible! How the legal system got away with the abuse of Tyler for so long is unbelievable. Well done to all involved in seeing it through. I hope Tyler & his mother are living happily & Joeys family can find peace. Rest in peace.
Indeed, it's remarkable how perseverance and dedication ultimately led to justice being served in Tyler's case. The prolonged abuse he endured within the legal system is truly disheartening, but the fact that it was eventually rectified is a testament to the importance of advocacy and accountability. I share your hope for Tyler and his mother to find happiness, and for Joey's family to find peace. May they all find solace and closure in the truth prevailing.
It’s sad how the cops manipulated him because of his young age. Tyler wanting to protect her sister, who also manipulated him, shows how much of a good person he is. I hope he is having a great life. ❤
So glad innocent Tyler is free. Heartbreaking for him and his parents that his sister sacrificed him to try to save herself. Shame on the police for willingly extracting a false confession and preventing his mother being present to guide and protect her young son. Great lawyer!
Tyler, as a big brother to 3 sisters, I totally understand doing anything in my power to keep them safe. What you have gone through is nothing short of extraordinary and to come out the other side battling for others after what you had gone through, well it just shows how truly amazing you are.
Not in all states I don’t think. I mean most adults know they have a right to have an attorney present . Not children. They know nothing and have a right to their own voice. What a courageous man and momma. He should be compensated for his time in prison . Solitary confinement messes people up
What a goddess warrior of a mom. And what an incredible attorney. I cannot imagine what this young man hast to go through to heal. Or if he can. The betrayal of his sister, his whole life, and then over this mistake in a way that breaks your spirit. May he have the strength to build a beautiful life for himself.
Its terrifying that this could happen to anyone, let alone a child. As a mother, i cant imagine the feeling of helplessness she must have felt. Im so glad this nightmare is over for them.
I am so happy that now he’s free, his named cleared and he’s trying to change the law. Wish him and his mom all the best the rest of their lives. 💕 Blessings to his attorney too!
“While I can pick up my pieces slowly and try to put them back together, he can’t.” The fact that this young man had his life stolen from him and still has the humility to speak about Joey like that says a lot. Proud of Tyler for his bravery, proud of his mama for her dedication, and proud of the lawyers for caring.
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💯 Tyler is an amazing young man with a big heart and a strong mind.
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Horrible sister, shitty cops, great attorney, strong mother.
Period
Fully agree
Agree 💯.
I wonder does she visit her daughter…
Getting out of jail- priceless.
She got the death sentence and let her younger brother go to jail for no reason and STILL wouldn’t say anything in his defense? She is a disgusting excuse for a human
She ain't no human
We call that kind of disgusting human a MONSTER
Definitely a Demon
Because she was waiting for a retrial it looks like. She lost that trial too.
classic psychopath clearly
To throw her adolescent brother - a brother who adored her - under the bus like that is abominable. What an amazing Mum and an incredible young man.
And incredible attorney
British
You know just as well as I that killers are cold to the touch. Human life ceases to have meaning for them whether friend, family or foe. I feel like I'm telling you nothing new.
@@LocalBosnian-99really?😮
And he was just *barely* adolescent. 13 is preburty for a lot of boys, and that one for sure. Bet, he was still playing with damn dinosaurs and hot wheels at that age!
His confession should have never been allowed because they interrogated a minor with a parent or lawyer present and did so intentionally. That is the most unethical thing that they could have done. They should all be fired and sued for that. And the judge should be removed from the bench for allowing that confession to be played in court.
Unfortunately, it happens all the time…
It’s not illegal to interrogate minors without parents. It’s a state by state basis. He wasn’t in police custody so they didn’t need a lawyer. It also depends on the circumstances too. Being that it was a homicide case-I believe they were allowed to question him without his mom. (Do I think it’s right? Not necessarily)
@@WhitneyZeise Oh, they didn't just "question" him. They coerced a confession out of a child. That's objectively disgusting.
And they also let him speak to his sister and didn’t think it was strange that before she was there he maintained his innocence but as soon as she speaks to him he takes the blame for everything
@@WhitneyZeiseDon't you see how creepy and fucked up that is? The cops are literally child molestors.
These cops are awful. They couldn't be bothered to record Kristy manipulating her brother? Common sense tells you that's what was going to happen. They were criminals themselves, attempting to ruin this young boys life when he didn't do anything.
All cops suck.
Yes absolutely
You haven’t been watching murder mysteries very long. A fair portion of them are just like that. I believe there are statistics that claim 25% of them are psychopaths. I imagine more judges are. These people are not your friends and enjoy hurting people.
The worst part is there far from the only cops that have done this. A lot of detectives only care about closing a case. That don't care if it's the right person getting charged with the crime.
They don’t care about the truth the only thing they cared about is to find someone to convict in the crime
It should be 100% illegal to interrogate any minor without a parent or legal guardian. If not available, a child advocate approved by the courts should step in on behalf of the child.
could have sworn it was at least in most states. guess im wrong. lol. maybe its changed now.
(2) When it is necessary to take a child into custody, the least restrictive custody should be selected.
(3) Unless the child is immediately released, the person taking the child into custody shall immediately notify the judge or his designee. Except when a child is endangered by a parent, guardian or custodian, before any interrogation may take place of a child who is seventeen (17) years of age or younger, law enforcement shall notify the child's parent, guardian or custodian and shall require the parent, guardian or custodian to be present during any questioning.
(4) A child taken into custody shall not be held in custody for a period longer than reasonably necessary, but not to exceed twenty-four (24) hours, and shall be released to his parent, guardian or custodian unless the judge or his designee authorizes temporary custody.
it should be (and i thought it was) 100% illegal to interrogate ANYONE without a lawyer present. like tyler said, a lot of adults don't know the system and how it's stacked against the accused, you have a constitutional RIGHT to an attorney and any interrogation that takes place without one present should be considered to be coerced and inadmissible in court.
@@benjib0yyy It used to be an unwritten rule when it came to minors. It was never the law. This boy is far from the first kid to be railroaded into a conviction based on forced confessions.
@@thecongenital3035 What state has this law?
“Someone that will lie to protect his sister will lie to protect himself.” DUDE. Those two things are contradictory! If he lied to protect his sister, why would he HAVE to lie to protect himself? Makes no sense
Seriously!! The predator can not be the victim, vise versa. His sister took advantage of a good kid.
That were my thoughts exactly. I am watching a lot of crime and I keep being flabbergasted how in US attorneys constantly try to play on people's emotions instead of sticking to facts and logic, and often what they are saying doesn't even make any sense, like in this case.
Well they had to go through the formalities and niceties of a trial, and that remark by the prosecutor was so dumb that I almost think he said it on purpose because he wanted to lose.
honestly, it must be so hard to have the job of arguing against tyler. Felt bad for him because he is just doing his job.
This is mythoughts too
Bruh I’m crying “what is your child’s life worth?”
And for her it was everything!! Oh my heart
yeah... that brought tears to my eyes.
@curiousnarwhal same here. That momma is a true momma did not give up on her baby.
Our dear mothers. 🥺 😢
mother and son are both sacrificing, willing to protect and stand up for others.
What an amazing young man …trying to protect his sister who couldn’t give a damn about her little brother.
As for his mum who lost everything, she should be refunded every penny
I wouldn't call it amazing. he probably felt threatened by his sister due to the fact he might be next, ever thought about it that way?
@@liveyourdreammedia His sister didn't need to threaten him because she had already manipulated him into thinking she was the best thing since sliced bread. She knew him, she watched him grow up and played on his vulnerability, naivety and his love for her.
He actually is an amazing young man to have come through that ordeal and then dedicating his life to help other youngsters.
Yes plus’s
completely agree
His sister is evil, a heartless psycho
It’s heartwarming to know that he is supporting his mom now. She gave up everything in her entire life for him. I hope they have a happy life together.
God Bless You and may your innocence be shouted off the roof by the angels that are surrounding you. God please protect this son by your guardian angels and let the truth be known.
That’s so far fetched I wonder if it’s a projection
@@rebelsocietyWtf?
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alivewhat does that mean ?
I agree with Tyler, there should be an attorney when a child is being interrogated, because often enough in these situation, it’s a family member manipulating them to say things and pull the emotion strings.
They should not have separated him from his mother lol its annoying how many issues like this happen mostly because of negligence! I hate cases that could be one quicker but because of stupidity of ego, they miss things & cause more harm!
In the UK it's illegal for Police to question a minor without an "appropriate adult" present. Be it parent, social worker or lawyer. Children can too easily ge coerced or intimidated into making false confessions to please aggressive adults questioning them.
@@darkangellew There are laws and even supreme court decisions on this issue. If he is under arrest, they have the right to question him BUT they are legally forced to read him his Miranda rights before any questions AND his age must be taken into account and his mental understanding of the Miranda rights. Basically, if he doesn't understand his rights, then his mother or an attorney need to be present to help him or any confession can be thrown away. 2011 Supreme court case of J.D.B. vs North Carolina where a boy was questioned in a room after a cop pulled him out of his class. The child felt he had no choice but to talk because he was detained but his rights were not read until AFTER the cop got the confession. The Supreme Court ordered the lower courts to reconsider the situation because of the child's age and situation in determining if he understood his rights.
Cops are absolute MONSTERS
Minors have the same right to an attorney that adults do, I raised my kids with strong sibling bonds and a healthy knowledge of their right to remain silent.
Wow, what a mother. ❤. This woman didn't only put everything in the line, but she refused to give up on her son. That's a real mother. I wish Tyler all the best in his new life and I would be proud to have a mother like her.
How the hell did allow the main suspect to speak to the child. Unbelievable.
Im pretty sure that alone would get the whole case thrown out
They tried to do that with my dad and I. When I was 9-10 my dad tried to traffick me into the dark web whenever I visited him. When I was 16 years later he was caught… they wanted me to testify in front of him. I said no I am not going to do that
Right and if so, why wouldn’t it be recorded! I wouldn’t doubt it if it was but they knew it could come back on them and made it disappear.
This is the dumbest thing i have ever seen. Those officers also needs to be punished
@@melihakgul4758 that would require them to actually do their jobs
I can't imagine how traumatic this must have been. Not only as a child fearing for their life, but the betrayal must be so painful.
What an amazing woman to protect her son like that. I wish I had a mother like that
I’m sure you do, ❤
You did
Me too
Don't underestimate your parents. You'll be amazed by all the things they do for you while you know nothing about it. What you may judge lame, uncool parents, when snd if the moment calls, they'll be the one on your corner no matter what. Don't assume. Have a great life.
Me too!
Case shouldve been thrown out when the police questioned him without mum. What a sick sister.
Was just thinking that. Isn't it illegal to interrogate a minor without a parent/guardian present? If it's not, it should be. Edit: Never mind, just got to the part of the video where they address that.
I completely agree!
Real shit. Everything from his interrogation should have been thrown out.
We've known since the central park 5, and since before that really, that the cops are good at manipulating kids into saying what they want to hear.
They didn’t read him his rights or anything
Her dad is a piece of garbage too. He knew his daughter wanted a gun to murder her husband for the insurance money. And the asshole didn’t say anything because she was going to buy him a car. Makes me wonder if dear old dad also told her to pin it on her half brother.
"What is your child's life worth?" That shook me.
When she said that I said out loud, "My child's life is worth everything to me."
@@razztazz1982Me too!
My child’s life is worth my own…
Fr shit makes u think
Oh man words can’t even explain❤
"Someone who will lie to protect his sister, will lie to protect himself." That is the biggest load of bs i have ever heard. That makes absolutely no sense. If anything, it is the complete opposite.
I agree
Yes, if he lied to protect his sister, he is innocent, so I don't know why that guy brings up the other lie.
Right! That was total hoskaplop.
Only an idiot says something like that. It's a complete contradiction.
Exactly…and if he in fact lied to protect his sister…wth did he do that he would need protection for??
His sister even though she had the death penalty still would not help her innocent brother in court what a POS.
What an absolutely loving mother!!! When she said 'WHAT IS YOUR CHILD'S WORTH' it gave me goosebumps as a parent. May god bless this family.
The sister was her child too. Where she get that evil from.
Shocking reply with no basis with that horrid opinion. Psychopaths are born, not made.
@@BubblesChikaIncorrect. It’s literally the opposite.
@@mindoftheswarm7 No, it isn't. You're thinking of a sociopath
@@BubblesChika who are you responding to? Nature vs nurture is a long debated topic and there have been cases made for both, there's no telling what makes a psychopath though there are many theories. Who knows, maybe she had a head injury at some point, that seems to be a common trigger for people that kill for selfish reasons. The thing is, that mother knew her son was innocent, sometimes you can sense things. Her daughter Kristi already admitted to the murder and she knew her daughter too. Some parents see no fault in their kids, others know their kids very well.
This was so awful to listen to. From the way the investigator said “are you calling me a liar?” To the fact that his mama had to literally go into debt forever just to prove her son’s innocence. That should never have to happen.
Rest in Peace, Joey. You deserved so much better.
Stand proud, Tyler. You're a strong young man, with a beautifully loving mother.
Please, men everywhere -- be careful abt whom you have sex with! That psychopath did NOT deserve to get laid. Please stop thinking so much abt physical beauty, and start caring abt a woman's character!
I really hate that prosecutors try to put innocent people in prison no matter what. Like how could you live with yourself?
They only care about the paycheck and prosecution rates/successes on convictions. It's a sickness
Most of the time they are probably sociopaths
They don't give a shit. It's a business
they don't have a life
@@DurzoBlunts That's not a sickness, that's logical. If people acted based on simple empathy, then we'd have far more problems in the justice system. Every person that has sob stories, especially women, would get off scot-free.
Better everyone stays neutral and discuss the facts of the matter than allow the whims of random sympathy take over.
Such a strong mother
God bless the family. ❤ did not deserve to go through this, nobody does
Yes she is strong. Still, she and her family should not have had to go through this. I wonder what other kinds of great things they would be doing for their community if they had not had to fight this uphill battle. If only law enforcement had done their jobs in the first place with common sense.
Much respect for his lawyer. He never gave up.
Now THAT’S a good mother 🥺 Proud of her for making such huge sacrifices in the name of justice for her baby.
You do know she was the mother of the murderer too right? She raised the murderer who then blamed her son for the murder. As good of a mother as she is she's just as bad. She raised one good kid and one murderer.
@@MamaMOB
Can you prove that her daughter was a killer because of the way she was raised? If so, please give empirical evidence. Thanks
@@MamaMOBI thought that they had the same father and different mothers ?
@@MamaMOB that's sounds so stupid. It doesn't always matter who raised you or how you were raised. People are gonna turn out different. Good people can come from bad parents and bad people can come from good parents.
@@MamaMOBI was curious about that- there was a big age gap between them.
The impression I get from the information given in the doco is they were only half or step siblings that didn't grow up together at all.
Otherwise they wouldn't just be getting to know each other.
Not letting the mother in the room is all you need to know
So they brought his sister to the interrogation room left them alone to talk and DiDN'T record the conversation?
Correct.
@@cornypinkuni9519nah they recorded it but they destroyed it because it doesn’t look good for their easy guilty verdict
@@Iog0ut I had the very same thought.
Ya fked up right
It is hard to believe, and I still do not believe it. Police record such conversations to hear confessions.
This is utterly ridiculous. Thirteen years old? Dirty ass cops.
You’ll be shocked to see how young some murders are
@@Ooooooooooooopo that’s true, but the issue here is these cops used underhanded tactics to force that confession out of him.
All they wanted was a confession to close the investigation.
Modern science knows that the human brain doesnt reach maturity until the early 20’s yet the USA convicts very young teenagers under 16 sometimes for life
Its ridiculous !
Many other countries have more common sense
Glad hes out & hope he has a good life
THey just wanted a conviction, yeah. They intimidated and manipulated a thirteen year old.
The judicial system failed this child, and his family. If you take a child and (based on the words of a woman you already know is guilty), manipulate him, omit evidence, and falsely imprison him. Then, at the very least, you can compensate both him and his family, for stealing his youth, and leaving his mother with crippling debt just to correct your mistake. The courts, and the police, need to be held to a higher standard than this.
Absolutely, the failures in the judicial system can have devastating consequences, especially for innocent individuals and their families. It's essential that there are mechanisms in place to compensate those who have been wrongfully convicted and to hold accountable those responsible for such miscarriages of justice. No one should have to suffer due to the negligence or misconduct of law enforcement and the courts. Holding them to a higher standard is crucial for maintaining trust and integrity in our legal system.
@@wanimalus This is the most AI-looking comment I've come across on social media. *sigh* Not insipid AI comments in UA-cam, too... Is nothing going to be human-generated anymore?
Okay so you think women should be in prison because they finally struck back ag ainst their abusers?
@@litrogue6328yes and they should be put in prison for aborting their babies.
@@litrogue6328Yes.
The fact she went into debt because an evil woman can’t be accountable is sick. Also that judge smiling as he had the verdict. Our justice system is beyond repair.
The evil woman was her daughter!
I know I really wanted to know more about their relationship after the fact
Because conviction and closing a case is more important than justice and truth for most of the people in justice system, people are often tricked into confessing, and will be convicted even if the police don’t actually think they did it but the confession is enough to close the case. it’s very sad.
@@MamaMOBsame father, different mother. That is not her daughter
the justice system only? I am non-american, plenty of holes in ur whole systems. Healtcare - bad, justice - bad, gun laws - bad, taxes - bad. If I was living there I would be constantly under paranoia.
“Mama don’t leave me here” 😭 ❤ poor baby that made me cry
All because a psychopath couldn't file for divorce... she cheated on Joey and he STILL hung in there!! She is a monster
I couldn’t imagine the pain his mom and him experienced. It’s SO f-d up. That police department should be disgusted with selves.
Mama raised a murderer who then turned around and blamed her other child for said murder.
@@MamaMOB you must be fun at parties
@@MamaMOBif mom raised one kid right she probably raised both kids right and one chose the wrong path.
Don’t you ever let your minor be separated from you to be questioned ever ever ever ever!
Might not have a choice.
It starts with school(satanic indoctrination camp) and nonsensical abuse of parents abusing their kids by waking them up unnaturally and by ordering them to go to said place and by taking them there without informed consent. And im sorry but 6-7yolds giving informed consent? We all know this system is build on child abuse and this satanic indoctrination camp is not even first of it because first are toddler jabs (again without informed consent)
@boldfacedtruth true but still illegal for a minor to be questioned without a Guardian
@@fiddlerofdeath9075 is that true in all states?
@@boldfacedtruthjust google it
I hate that line adults use on kids, “You calling me a liar?” Like the system doesn’t care about the truth, just the confession.
Reminds me of an incident in school; I dropped my lunch box and said SHOOT in front of the vice principal but because it was so loud, he thought I cussed. I said I didn’t and he hit me with the “You calling me a liar,” card and I folded. I should have said, “Yes I am. I said shoot as in shoot-fire.”
I’m glad the kid managed to prove his innocence but his sister was just evil, plain and simple.
That principal is the worst influence for a child.
Classic gaslighting and imbalance of power.
@@somcana Abuse of power + power tripping + fragile ego.
Certain school personnel don't belong in their jobs, they feel little so they have to bully kids!
@@somcanaAn officer is trained to use that line on adults too. Sickening, but true.
This needs to be a movie. So many amazing characters. What a roller-coaster ride of emotions.
My mom passed away in 2010. Hearing the mother say how she traded everything she had to fund her sons defense made me want to cry. Reminds me of my own mother whom I still miss so much to this day. What an incredible blessing it must be to have had such a mother in his corner during this horrific experience.
Me too dear. My mom passed away last year and she did absolutely everything for me❤❤❤❤❤. I will try to do everything in order to make her proud of her baby girl. May our beautiful moms rest in eternal peace until we meet again insha Allah
God bless you sorry for your loss
When you see tears in the attorney's eyes, you know they believed their client to be innocent
Yes but the mothers tears did not stop her attorney from charging her as much money as he could get out of her! He could’ve done it pro bono
@dianawatton7570 would you expect a doctor to treat you for free? No. At the end of the day, it's his job. An attorney comes across many innocent clients but still needs to make a living. He can't do all of them pro bono. At least she got her money's worth. Another lawyer wouldn't have tried as hard.
@@dianawatton7570the case went on for 5 years! Can you be sure you would do that if you were in his position?
@@NikkoAceThis is right. Even if he cut the fees down to expenses only, it would still be expensive.
@@dianawatton7570It’s his job, silly Billy. He can’t work for 5 years without a paycheque 🤣
This is just disgusting, she killed someone innocent and then tried to get another innocent person into jail. I'm no saint but It takes a special kind of evil to do something like this.
He wasn't innocent. He held the gun on Joey as he slept, pulled the trigger, then as Joey lay bleeding and dying, he reached in his pocket and stole his paycheck that he had just cashed. Then he and Kristy went to party at the casino. He's guilty and got away with murder.
Her little brother too, who loved her. Depraved level of evil.
@@mjremy2605fr
Women don't have morals anymore bro
They fake rape cases
They get with men they don't want just to get pregnant
They believe they should have every right to everything but men should be subservient to their rights
Modern women are literally what feminists pretend men are like
Watch many videos like this and it's almost always the female involved who manipulated the men
It's how they are raised today that's causing it
@SanityTV_Last_Sane_Man_Alive
I agree
They use men's emotions against them
I expect it's why they all want men to be more in touch with their emotions
Because an emotional man will always protect the female and if their emotions are simp like, they will do anything the female wants of them, if ger manipulation is done correctly
Especially on young males
Works a treat
So many videos like this online
Of women manipulating men like this
So glad to see his mother never gave up on him. Seeing him so young and in an orange jumpsuit, knowing he was innocent is so heartbreaking. His sister should never see the light of day again.
I can't imagine what this poor kid went through in prison from 13years old-18years old. How sad.
Guess you shouldn't admit to the worst crime on the planet then on a whim
Mein Sohn ist auch 13. Die Vorstellung, dass er jetzt unschuldig ins Gefängnis müsste und ich würde ihn so weinen sehen, bricht mir das Herz 😢
Ein furchtbarer Fall
@@philmcclenaghan7056This is just stupid. They manipulated a child into false confessing.
@@philmcclenaghan70562/10 ragebait, way too obvious
He could've completed high school and started college or smth but instead he was left in jail for something he never was part of
I really like that he turns his own suffering into a blessing for others by advocating changes for the benefit of others.
He could easily have accepted the manslaughter charge, moved to a different place and got on with his life. The fact he risked everything just to prove his innocence and is now campaigning to stop corrupt police from coercing children into false confessions she’s incredible character!
Right now I'm suing the FBI and state police for crimes against humanity where I am. I was railroaded into being falsely imprisoned at 7 years old. Stripped of my rights, psychically and psychologically tortured. For having committed no crimes whatsoever. Fast forward to 2023, everyone involved confessed in front of a judge. Provided written notarized and witnessed confessions. It ruined my life at 7 years old. The government still doesn't care, treats me like a common criminal. I still have no rights whatsoever, I was diagnosed with CPTSD from the whole ordeal.
@@user-gz4ve8mw9l 7???????
@@user-gz4ve8mw9loh wow. That’s awful. I hope there’s something more that you can do about the issue. That’s so wrong of them.
@@user-gz4ve8mw9lI can only assume ur a black male ? 😢😢
I pray u win a lot of money it will neve ease ur trauma or erase ur memories but it will help u live without worry .. woth nothing but FREEDOM. That you deserve ❤❤
@@user-gz4ve8mw9loml i’m so sorry for you
They should write a law stating that, if it is proven that a confession have been forcefully extracted by a cop and lead to a wrongful imprisonment, then the police officer who forced the confession must spend the same time in prison as the innocent person.
They will think twice person trying that shit again.
I despise prosecutors who won't admit that mistakes had been made or that earlier prosecutors had been corrupt and then fight to keep an innocent person in prison. Justice is not a competition, with one side trying to defeat the other. The justice system is a search for truth.
I completely agree. It's disheartening when prosecutors refuse to acknowledge mistakes or corruption, leading to innocent people suffering. Justice should prioritize truth-seeking over competition. Every effort should be made to correct errors and ensure fairness for all.
The justice system is SUPPOSED TO BE a search for the truth. It often isn't.
@@kayceetaylor2151 Except that your concept of "search for the truth" is impossible. Because its an abstract. What does the truth look like? What must be done to achieve it? When is it good to say that its been achieved?
You're complaining about a system that forces both sides to convince the jury or a judge about what is correct based on the laws; the "truth" is an abstract that is impossible to reach.
"If he'll lie to protect his sister, he'll lie to protect himself"... Like that's not a ridiculous fallacy. It's no different than saying... "if he's innocent, he's guilty".
Lying to protect a murderer isn't entirely innocent. It's more like saying "if someone is selfless, that means he's selfish."
@@RendezvousWithRama Lying to protect someone else who committed a murder would mean that he did not commit the murder. It's common sense. How could he lie to protect the other person from being guilty, but then be guilty of that same crime all alone? It's an fundamental impossibility (a simple logical paradox).
@@deucedeuce1572 I didn't say he was directly guilty of murder, I said he isn't innocent. He lied to protect the murderer from the law. That's a crime.
@@RendezvousWithRama Yeah but it don't make him guilty of murder. That was the whole point. Being guilty of lying is not being guilty of murder. You're pretty much arguing something that really has o bearing on what I said (and yeah, we all know he lied). I think you might have missed the point. He's not on trial for lying. He's on trial for murder and the DA is trying to say he is guilty of murder. (yet lacks the common sense to see his own logical paradoxes and "double-think").
@@deucedeuce1572 I thought I made myself clear both times. I don't know how to explain it any better.
As a sister to a wonderful little brother myself, I'm disgusted by the cruelty and callousness this monster showed towards hers. I would lay down my life without hesitation if it meant my little brother would always he safe and protected from harm. He will be turning 14 years old this year, and every day I'm proud of who he's grown to be, just as I'm sure Tyler's mother is proud of her selfless and loving son.
~ Louise
❤❤❤
I wish all older siblings could be just like you. ♥️❤️
I'm the oldest of 4 and I'm the same way with all of my siblings too.
As a police officer I'm not sure what she did wrong. Cops do this all the time.
Him not her
"You don't take advantage of children" - there are no truer words.
I wish with my whole heart that the world was committed to this, like Tyler is. And thank goodness for people like him; and for his mum and attorney's persistence in freeing him.
Tyler’s 100% right. I was interviewed as a minor with my abusive parent present who just wanted to see me punished for something I never even did. 100% pressured to confession. Nothing as serious as this case. Judge took a look at it all and without me even speaking a word through the case out. Cop didn’t even show up.
I'm so sorry, I have a narcissistic parent who would have done that exa t thing if they got the chance. I've experienced that undafety and feelings of hopelessness that creates in other situations. I'm very glad that judge acted the way they did, and I hope you're safe and happy away from your parent now ❤
Adults who have mental disabilities should not even be allowed to be interviewed without a lawyer present. Children are not the only ones that get manipulated.
Any person can be manipulated. That’s why you shouldn’t talk without an attorney.
That’s what happened to the kid from Making a Murderer. I forgot his name, but I think it was Brandon Dassey. It was clear that the police and the actual killer Steven Avery manipulated him into saying he was there and participated in the murder. He’s still in prison and has no more appeals left. That kid got so screwed by everyone, but of course the legal system never wants to admit a mistake and would rather let an innocent person rot in jail instead.
They also routinely coerce confessions out of people who are drunk and/or high, taking advantage of their weakened mental state. If they want to interview someone they should wait until they're sober because everybody has the same rights, even drunkards.
Exactly!
When I was 19 and sex trafficked I called 999 and the police turned up gave the rapist a verbal warning not to rape again and laughed me off as a prostitute. They found it hilarious that there were multiple used condoms in the bin and took no evidence offered me no help and didn't even talk to me at all. A cop turned up 2 weeks later and stalked me without giving an explanation. He just kept saying prostitute louder and louder as I asked him to be quiet. After they left I called 999 crying, askin them if I did something bad and if I was going to be in trouble. I was hysterical thinking I'd be arrested for... Calling the police after bein raped. I feel really sad for the younger me. I wasn't mentally competent and the coersion an treatment of me literally made me think I was bad and in trouble. We need to protect innocent mentally incompetent people including kids from police abuse and disregard
Now that’s a good mama good job maam, the world needs more parents like you
Ive never shed a tear watching true crime... until this video. As a mother, "what is your child's life worth?" SENT ME 😭
How could you throw your brother under the bus like that? Some people need serious help.
Fear of death penalty. Her logic was sound, minor does 3 -5 years vs . Death penalty risk for her, min of life in prison. But after she saw his sentence, she should have came clean. At least. At the very least. She shouldn't have done it all , but I'm trying to see her thought process. After her got 50 years , she should have done something
No,jail
I wish I had a mother like her. She is an inspiration. Good on this man for holding out hope that humanity would finally realise he is innocent. Its stories like these that bring real change, positive change.
Kudos to the jury for seeing through the bs lies of the sister, the cops and everyone else who tried to keep this young man incarcerated.
Best mother ever. He is a role model now. Two wonderful people.
When the prosecutor proclaimed that Tyler "lied" when he confessed to the crime, he proclaimed Tyler's innocence.
Damn!
Prosecutor had an IQ lower than Tyler's age when he was coerced into confessing, or was randomly spewing nonsense buzzwords in hopes of manipulating people into believing his BS like a politician.
They wanted to get rid of Tyler. And chance to get rid of a male, they will take.
@@WhtCrstlJudgmntDrgnYou’re kinda a dumbass if you think they only wanted him gone because he was male
They targeted him because it bolstered their image as quick crime solvers. It wasn’t about accuracy but credit
To be honest I feel like the prosecutor didn't want to win this one. Listen to the lack of conviction and the doubtful nature of this suggestion to the jury 13:20.
That's the epitome of a Mother's love for her child
Very strong woman
Tyler is so lucky to have a mother like her, I lost my mother over a year ago and have a hole in my heart since, I miss so many things about her and it makes me happy to see he’s taking care of his mom after her spending her life saving to help him. What a great son and cute too😊
My love goes to you, dear.💞
What an incredible young man Tyler Edmond’s is. Thank you for making this video documentary, his story needed to be told. Tyler’s law must always be supported and protected.
What a crappy sister and daughter. And they didn’t hear the sister propositioning him and begging to take the blame? And did he really spend 5 yrs in jail? (They said 5 yr preparation.)
yes sadly
And because he made a confession, they can't sue the state for wrongful conviction.
They said “... wasted away in Walnut Grove correction facility for five years.
And men get graped in prison. I guarantee, that poor kid was graped daily, for years, by grown men. And he didn't even commit any crime, certainly not on purpose (obstruction of justice?). But he was manipulated the whole way. Poor kid. I wouldn't be surprised if he is living an alternative lifestyle due exclusively to the way he was treated in prison. I hope to God he is living a normal life.
It said walnut grove was a juvenile correction facility, but america often tries kids as adults.
He went on to become something so special. His mother is outstanding. ❤
My goodness I followed ur Instagram you're absolutely stunning woaaahhh
His mother knew her daughter was crazy.
The sister is deplorable. How could you throw your brother under the bus like that, knowing that you could save his life? I hope Tyler is living his best life now, and I hope his mother is too. I hope they both find peace with everything they have been through.
Dude she is female. That's why she did it. Girls think thanks to feminism that they they biggest gift from God since sliced bread.
She’s a total sociopath; they have no empathy or remorse. I bet she still has no feelings about it to this day.
He's waltzing around free, but he will answer at judgement day for murdering a man then playing the system and going free. Evil.
@@teresajeffries3934 I believe he is innocent
@@teresajeffries3934 TF are you talking about? He’s innocent. Did you even watch the show?
“What’s your child’s life worth?”
Those words struck me.
So sad not only did his sister make him the scapegoat but she abused his heart 😢
That’s a one way ticket to getting disowned.
Please someone pay for this mama’s loans 😢
Yes, because he only got $130,000 in restitution.
@@kandik7641 smh
What a wonderful and strong mom. Gave up her whole life to save her child.
It’s impossible not to get emotional watching the outcome. I’m so sad for Joeys family, but glad there was real justice.
Thank God Tyler has made something good come of all of this through his advocacy. He is special and so is his mom. Bless them.
Why are some DAs so committed to railroading innocent people?
For money, that’s what they do: ruining the innocent children’s lives and freedom over NOTHING! They just don’t care and are greedy!
They just want a perfect batting record for election. Their success is measured (on paper) by number of convictions, not accuracy. That's why they don't care once they have a confession if they have the right person or not... even if they come to find who the actual person was, they will stay with prosecuting the case they have, KNOWING it's wrong, if they think they can win.. and with a confession, they have a pretty good shot...
To get a high conviction rate, it's good for their career.
Some? Lol
@@crosales8184 , no humanity...
When his mother asked what is your child life worth. Out loud I surely said everything over and over again.
what's so strange to me about cases like this and some others is why the state won't let go when it's obvious there has been a mistake, like the toxicity of the system is so pervasive that they can't admit mistakes and will just keep going after an innocent person instead of admitting a mistake and letting go. Many many innocent people have been victimized in this way.
This really showed that you can have two people, raised in the same household, with the same advantages and disadvantages, and they can still become two entirely different people! Once you are in the court system it is impossible to get free of the picture they have of you. Parents may never really know the depth of the bond between two children in the same household. It's so sad this young man went through this experience out of love and loyalty. This would surely change a person, especially at such a young age.
So true, I hate when they blame parents for not raising them right. Sometimes it is not the parents fault. We are our own person.
I wonder if their parents realized early on how evil kristi really was? If tgey had any indications they could have prevented this experience for him. The mother really never addressed her relationship with her daughter.
Because EVERYTHING is epigenetic.
The parents knew their daughter was a monster. They ignored it.
I like how they gave the impression that Tyler’s attorney never gave up and continued to work on the case, even after the conviction, from the goodness of his heart, as opposed to the fact Tyler’s mother had to cash out every single penny she could get from her assets to pay him. And then the ending disclosed that Tyler has done everything he can over the last DECADE to raise funds in order to get his defense attorney paid off so his mother can get out of that extraordinary debt and back up on her feet again.
What? Do you think Lawyers are free? Do you think people shouldn't get paid for providing their work and service? Do you know why it cost her a lot of money that put her into debt? Because she paid for a good lawyer, who not only got the guilty verdict vacated and a new trial but was also able to get a not guilty verdict at that new trial. That is an extremely rare outcome, almost never happens. Maybe she could have gone with a less experienced bargain bin lawyer, but she loved her son and paid whatever she had to for him.
@@brianc8916 There are many lawyers that work free of charge, especially if they feel it is the right thing to do and the person in need doesn't have the money to afford their services.
His point was that it was implied that the lawyer went above and beyond to help this family..
But in actuality, he only did what he was paid to do.. and that is fine, but he isn't some amazing person that helped this family in their time of need.
Hell the lady still owes the lawyer money a decade after the fact.
So he is just another lawyer that was paid to do what he was supposed to do, that is it.
He did the minimum standard for what a lawyer you pay for should do, nothing special about him.
And personally I'd say he is a prick, sure he did his job, but he is still a prick.
The moment I heard she had to sell everything, put her house on the line, etc.. That should have been the point which he said, maybe I shouldn't let her lose her house and her car..
But no, after all that, knowing she basically lost everything, he's like don't worry, I know you clearly can't afford it, but I will just continue to bill you and you will just owe me money for the rest of your life..
Hell just typing that out pisses me off more, he is a greedy prick.
@@brianc8916 Never did I insinuate the attorney shouldn’t be paid. I was simply calling attention to the fact that the commentary and interviews suggested more than once that his lawyer remained tried-and-true, fighting the unjust sentencing of an innocent kid per his personal moral standards. Then we see that the mother and her son are heavily in debt for the ultra expensive representation even a decade later.
The fact that she had a debt was because the lawyer stayed on the case regardless of her not having the money. Lawyers don't usually do this at all, they demand money upfront and when that runs out, they demand more to stay on the case. This lawyer risked never getting paid, knowing she might never have the money, to stay on the case. It's obvious you don't understand how lawyers work else you would have noticed this obvious gift from the lawyer to fight the case with the promise that she could pay him back one day.
I did research his lawyer did work pro bono and he was asking for compensation for being wrongly convicted. He won at the supreme court level in Mississippi and was awarded 135,000 in 2017. There were some debit from the trial though from some of the expert witnesses though the defense hired but the lawyer did work for free.
"If he'd lie to protect his sister then he'd lie to protect himself". What a terrible argument because if he lied to protect his sister it means he is innocent. They can't have it both ways lmao. Calling him a liar because he lied for his sister means he's now telling the truth.
The demented cops seriously allowed a child to know that if he took the blame his sister wouldn't be killed, and expected him to do anything but lie?
It's like they wanted to destroy the siblings, the woman for murdering a man, and the boy for daring to love his sister.
May God bless that attorney and his whole family. What a guy! He saved that boys life.
What a mother that lady is. This should be a movie. Many years ago I remember seeing a TV movie called A Death in Canaan about an 18-year-old who was coerced into a false confession for the murder of his mother after EIGHT hours of unsupervised interrogation without an attorney in 1973. Unfortunately, he didn't have a wonderful mother to advocate for him. He only avoided prison because a couple of celebrities who read about his case came to his aid. Tyler's story is even more compelling because he was 13 at the time, was framed by an evil sister, actually spent five years imprisoned, and had a warrior for a mom and a lawyer.
She a terrible wife
@@edwardr9130 What does that have to do with saving her son?
@@L1623VP its is self explanatory to save her son, any mom will do this.
@@edwardr9130 Then why'd u include "terrible wife" 😭😭
@@lilcherio8947 if she would be a good wife she would have father around, fatherless childs growing up commit way more crimes
As a juror I would absolutely not except the confession of a child under 17 years old. If the confession was made without the parents in the room. Because the parents are their protection from being bullied into a false confession!
Accept
Here in the UK it’s the law that when a child is being interrogated/interviewed, they need to have a parent, guardian or social worker present as well as legal representation e.g lawyer
No. Parents are inconsequential. They need to have a lawyer present
So sad tyler was treated the way he was by police and his sister. Then convicted. Im happy that in the end he was exhonorated and look how he has progressed! Advocate for law changes the help minors to automatically have attorny with them before questioning, which i truly wished that was a law. Him working in law enforcement is amazing.
This story gave me a new sense of hope for humanity. Yes, there are evil people in the world and there are good people who have been pushed to do evil things, but there are also good people who stand up for the truth and keep fighting no matter how hopeless the situation appears. This is such a motivational story.
You can really see the good and innocence from Tylers eyes. Nothing but light in him. God bless him and his mother ❤
Such a malicious district attorney.
Yeah, seriously. Guy should be out of a job. Imagine trying to put a child behind bars for life if you even had a shred of doubt about the case
Yhoooo so much evil 😢😢😢😢😢
Someone who would lie to protect his sister is different than lying to protect themselves.
One is selfless and the other is selfish.
Exactly. Perfectly stated.
Congratulations, Tyler, for standing up for yourself, your mother, and others. You are strong and courageous! You're a blessing to many!
You’re a great mom, you gave up everything to let your innocent son be freed, and your son appears to be a great man and live in his best life now with hurdles to jump but the love between you two is inspiring. Thank you for your story.
This case is incredible! How the legal system got away with the abuse of Tyler for so long is unbelievable. Well done to all involved in seeing it through. I hope Tyler & his mother are living happily & Joeys family can find peace. Rest in peace.
Indeed, it's remarkable how perseverance and dedication ultimately led to justice being served in Tyler's case. The prolonged abuse he endured within the legal system is truly disheartening, but the fact that it was eventually rectified is a testament to the importance of advocacy and accountability. I share your hope for Tyler and his mother to find happiness, and for Joey's family to find peace. May they all find solace and closure in the truth prevailing.
It’s sad how the cops manipulated him because of his young age. Tyler wanting to protect her sister, who also manipulated him, shows how much of a good person he is. I hope he is having a great life. ❤
May God bless Tyler and his momma ..i watch so many of these, this is the ONLY one that ever made me cry... They are both truly amazing
Bless the real pathologist for proving his innocence. They discrepancy in confession versus the crime scene should've been part of the first trial.
I have the power from 39 to 40 and I feel so disgusted by his sister
So glad innocent Tyler is free. Heartbreaking for him and his parents that his sister sacrificed him to try to save herself. Shame on the police for willingly extracting a false confession and preventing his mother being present to guide and protect her young son. Great lawyer!
Tyler, as a big brother to 3 sisters, I totally understand doing anything in my power to keep them safe. What you have gone through is nothing short of extraordinary and to come out the other side battling for others after what you had gone through, well it just shows how truly amazing you are.
Huge respect for Tyler.
I've gone through a lot of medical hardships in my life, but I don't know if I could have gone through what he did.
Well-done Tyler. I'm proud of you. You'll achieve great things. And thanks to Mom, for standing by you, no matter what. God bless
Is it even legal to question a minor without a parent or guardian?
Unfortunately yes it is.. to my understanding
@@maximus-hl9jw Thank you for letting me know.
It might depend on the state.
In the USA it depends on the state
Not in all states I don’t think. I mean most adults know they have a right to have an attorney present . Not children. They know nothing and have a right to their own voice. What a courageous man and momma. He should be compensated for his time in prison . Solitary confinement messes people up
Bless his mom. Her clear love for him brought tears to my eyes 💜
This is so emotional. So proud of Tyler for standing up for himself. ❤️😭❤️😭❤️😭
What a goddess warrior of a mom. And what an incredible attorney. I cannot imagine what this young man hast to go through to heal. Or if he can. The betrayal of his sister, his whole life, and then over this mistake in a way that breaks your spirit. May he have the strength to build a beautiful life for himself.
Its terrifying that this could happen to anyone, let alone a child. As a mother, i cant imagine the feeling of helplessness she must have felt. Im so glad this nightmare is over for them.
I got full-body goosebumps when they read the not Guilty verdict!!
I am so happy that now he’s free, his named cleared and he’s trying to change the law.
Wish him and his mom all the best the rest of their lives. 💕
Blessings to his attorney too!