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Note: Lower tiers could be higher when played in certain decks. Intro 00:00-00:48 TIER 3 0:48 Arcanine EX 4:37 Aerodactyl EX 7:34 Greninja 11:15 Charizard EX 14:23 Brock. TIER 2 18:53 Celebi 22:29 Mewto. TIER 1 Disclaimer 26:40-27:34 27:35 Pikachu EX 33:46 Gyrados EX. 38:10-43:29 1st place tournament winning decks TIER 4 (Quick honorable mentions) 43:46 Blastoise 44:08 Pure Mew EX 44:32 Exeggutor 44:54 Blaine 45:03 Koga 45:10 Pidgeot EX 45:21 Machamp EX ENDING 45:45
I believe the poke flute pidgeot deck isnt for the pidgeot to deal damage against basics on the bench, its for the victreebell to bring those basic pokemon that most likely have 60hp or less to the active slot to get one shotted each turn
It's kind of a win/win combo. Can either tie it into the Pidgeot Ex or the Victoreebell. Though I agree it's probably more for the latter in that specific deck since they only have the one Pidgeot Ex.
Maaan I did not see gyarados becoming tier 1, from what I could tell everyone's first impression was that it looked kinda mid. Looking at it more closely, it does synergize with Misty and it's only stage 1 just like arcanine and we know how popular that one got, not to mention it also 1 shots mewtwo with giovanni, pikachu, celebi, etc.. and it being stage 1 means its faster to set up than a charizard. Really big surprise tho, once we get more consistency support to other elements we're gonna see another shift and thats coming soon on a bigger expansion.
People bothered to read all the stuff besides the 140 damage while not realizing the point of the card is to do 140 damage. Can sometimes do a cute play of attaching no energy before attacking with it though to increase the odds of discarding an opposing energy since AFAIK 4 energy on opponents side and 4 energy on your side means a 50% chance to discard their energy.
That's why you always have to wait and see how things will go. Consistent raw power, high health, and being a stage 1? Yeah, that was a card with the tools to be great. And they gave it a nice Magikarp to work with. So you can slap energy on that thing and not lose it while sending it to the backline to power up.
i love celebi. its not a tournament deck because tournaments are all about consistency. getting unlucky means youre out. outside of tournaments bad luck is less devestating, thats where it shines
My dream snorlax ex would be something like 170 hp, 4 retreat cost, 3 cost rest: this ability uses up two energy. Fully heal snorlax and become asleep. 1 cost, sleep talk: 150 damage to 1 pokemon your opponent controls. What you guys think? Too strong? :)
I guess I should clarify I mean 1 random pokemon will be hit by sleep talk and it can only be used if snorlax is asleep. And maybe rest should be 4 cost and lose 3 energy? There is always the coin flip that snorlax will wake up and not be able to use sleep talk. I just want it to be usable but not extremely broken.
Definitely too strong maybe stage 1 evolves from muchlax, and have sleep talk deal less damage, say 120, Compared to pidgeot ex that's already almost pretty good it it's stage 1 instead of stage 2, even tankier, and deals slightly less but more consistent damage for basically the same energy cost. And if you want to make it better you can give munchlax an attack or ability that makes it fall asleep, maybe have it have 70 hp and if it gets hit it falls asleep so it can tank some weak hits and set up an early sleep talk
@@littlezero6399 I'd give it a first attack that heals 40 and puts it asleep with a second attack being a 2 energy, 160 damage swing only usable if it's asleep.
Energy system is almost obvious depending what's the role of a pokemon. If its a stall wall u don't need it to attack u want it to buy time so u can count that card out but if its the main pokemon of the deck and obviously highest damage dealing then u make sure it can attack. If its colorless u watch what type of energy other pokemons run
This tier is very strange. Opening each deck in top 2 tiers, we can see cleary that the 2 under are getting MORE 1ST positions than the others. Gyarados doesnt have a single one and Pikachu only one. For me mewtwo became even powerfull, killing charizards with mew. New psychic card is something too. And we all know how celebi is everywhere in the game right now, fast when needed, and if the opponent stall they became unlimited powerful. And where is starmie? I cant believe people are using meme decks like the lower tiers but no starmie articuno at all.
Nice video, really informative and fun tbh! I was trying Gyarados because I loved the card and playstyle, and I'm shocked to see that no Gyarados deck runs Articuno + Leaf + Misty as a tank that can actually fight back like I do.
Pidgeot EX is super underrated. I've been having a lot of success with my Pidgeot, Druddigon, and Tauros deck. It's so good and really fun to play. The moment I laid eyes on Druddigon I knew he was about to change the entire meta, and with poke flute, so does Pidgeot EX. I don't think people realize just how good she is, which, is great for me because I keep winning 😁
Soon Alakazam decks with high density of psychic types, slab and probably Mew EX too for versatility will start becoming a thing, a lot of energy hungry decks running around atm. People is already countering Gyarados hard with things such as Hitmonlee, Electabuzz and the zebra. If anything, I prefer Starmie variants because with that I have an alternative if I have a slow start with crappy Misty rng, or not drawing them or the Gyarados in time. Decks with stages 1 and 2s tend to be spotty in consistency because of how badly dependent the game is on prof and Pokéball atm.
So, umm...how in the heck is KOGA tier 4? I have not lost a SINGLE match in 25 event matches with Venipede - Weezing. It is unbelievably strong. What do people do wrong with it that is isnt AT LEAST tier 2?
11:52 „he specifically mentioned, that charizard is good against mewtwo“ i know you are only reading what he says, but let me explain to you why charizards worst enemy is a mewtwu deck. You can only oneshot mewtwo with charizard. An experienced player will keep a mew on the bench and its GG. Mew copies charizards 200 attack with only 3 energies. Also worth mentioning is that in order to get your charizard fully evolved, it needs time and RNG. Same amount of time and RNG as gardevoir needs in a mewtwu deck. You cant expect to get charizard before he gets gardevoir. Arcanine cant deal with mewtwo either.
I've tried running Aerodactyl in a few Fighting decks but man, I swear it hurts my own deck more than the opponent. Might get significantly more useful once we get a good Basic ex to lead the deck.
Aerodactyl is a waste imo, I would rather run kabutops. Maybe if the meta shifts abit more it would become alot better, it's ability would have been useful if it only effected the bench rather than active
I dont know why aero get so much hate.. yeah its ability is not useful but its still good mid range dmg dealer. While everyone saying how OP starmie is ( 2 energy 90 dmg) with 10 less dmg aero suddenly become trash 😂
@@Hs2024-1 Because 80 vs 90 is a HUGE deal considering a lot of breakpoints in the game (even more now with meta relevant ex Pokemon going to 170/180hp), Starmie ex has free retreat cost and you can guarantee starting with Staryu and fetch it with Pokeball. Misty is also a factor as even just boosting its energy to 2 can be game winning and with the free retreat, you can use Vaporeon to great effect, while Aerodactyl lacks any such help. Yes, it's the only stage 1 with a 2 energy attack dealing 80, but considering the extra work required to run it consistently, that should have been 90.
@@Zakading maybe i position aero slightly different. Besides marshadow and hitmonlee(meta affects this card play rate) , there is no good midrange in most of the fighting deck. Its either i draw the golem/machamp line or i auto lose. But i gotta draw into something right? Thats when aero comes into play.
10:53 I cant understand why the website not adding what energy they use for the deck, because deck like Greninja n pdiddygon sometimes use water and or fire @Dkayed
This is a pending change we will add but most, if not all, tourney decklist submissions do not state their energy used. It would mostly only be the winstreak decklists where users will state their energy
It's funny how the two tier 2 decks are practically 2 powerhouses of ex pokémon which need their corresponding stage 2 supporter to work with the same weaknesses. 😂
I'm still unsure how to use the Mythical Slab correctly. Should you activate it before or after a Pokeball or Prof. Research? I feel like top decking a Prof. Research with Slab is really bad, but if you keep pokeball in hand and use it to reshuffle after a failed slab, you lost the 1 card progression towards your Gardevoir. I've seen people use Porygon's ability to make sure the Slab works out, but is it actually worth the slot, while also lowering the odds to get your desired basic pokémon in your starting hand or with pokeball?
@@halcyonacoustic7366 but at the same time you lose the benefit of slab if you hit a non-psychic card. Slab gets you 1 card closer to your key piece, pokeball also gets you one card closer. But pokeball shuffling your deck negates the benefit of slab putting a non-combo piece on the bottom of the deck. If used that way it's like a Misty, where you have a chance to draw a card, but if it fails you either play or don't play your pokeball in hand, in both cases you are only 1 card closer as opposed to 2 when playing pokeball first, then slab. The question is: What's the worse outcome? Potentially losing out on the value of Slab or potentially losing the advantage of a Prof. Research? Similar question with Slab before or after Research: You could drae into your 2nd Prof. Research or Pokeball with Research, then slab safely, but if you drew pokemon instead you're in a worse position, whereas using slab first yields a lower odds of top decking Research, but it's still a risk.
@@solidzackI haven't done the testing to confirm myself, but I heard that pokeball doesn't actually shuffle your deck (even though it plays the animation.) If true, it should make the decision pretty straightforward: Always slab first, unless you very specifically need a stage 1 or 2 this turn. Edit: just tested and it totally does shuffle so nvmd lol
My mans! Good content but my goodness, you gotta learn how to pronounce the Pokemon names right.. especially with a channel with Pokemon in its name! Haha Keep up the good content, excited to see your coverage as the meta grows. P.S. Shuriken: Sure-ree-ken, not Shrew-ken. Taken from a Japanese pronunciation
Gyarados is tooooo consistent. Just got my 2 gyarados ex from wonderpick yesterday. How pika and mewtwo have fallen. I hope it gets balanced even though i love playing gyarados ex uwu
I'm seeing Celebi decks left right and center, I tried many decks to counter it but I don't have Charizard or Arcanine. Once Celebi is full loaded if you don't have a hard hitting card you just lose and its hard to stop it because of this INSANE card Erika It's tier 0 if you don't have the counters
Except you obviously missed in the video where Mewtwo is still tier 1. Still a very consistent and top contender deck, especially with introduction of slabs
Sometimes its better for a deck u like to not be in tier 1. The tiers are for competition tryhards as a benchmark, casual player or non tourney player can play a tier 3 and slay just fine
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Correction: Should have emphasized Moltres more as the tank for Arcanine as Mew helps vs Mewtwo in that deck
Note: Lower tiers could be higher when played in certain decks.
Intro 00:00-00:48
TIER 3
0:48 Arcanine EX
4:37 Aerodactyl EX
7:34 Greninja
11:15 Charizard EX
14:23 Brock.
TIER 2
18:53 Celebi
22:29 Mewto.
TIER 1 Disclaimer 26:40-27:34
27:35 Pikachu EX
33:46 Gyrados EX.
38:10-43:29 1st place tournament winning decks
TIER 4 (Quick honorable mentions)
43:46 Blastoise
44:08 Pure Mew EX
44:32 Exeggutor
44:54 Blaine
45:03 Koga
45:10 Pidgeot EX
45:21 Machamp EX
ENDING 45:45
Dkayed youve been my guy sinds duel links! Please put in time stamps though for such a long vid ❤
I believe the poke flute pidgeot deck isnt for the pidgeot to deal damage against basics on the bench, its for the victreebell to bring those basic pokemon that most likely have 60hp or less to the active slot to get one shotted each turn
Problem is it's a low damage slow deck which can find trouble even killing anything to get that flute ready to use
It's kind of a win/win combo. Can either tie it into the Pidgeot Ex or the Victoreebell. Though I agree it's probably more for the latter in that specific deck since they only have the one Pidgeot Ex.
Maaan I did not see gyarados becoming tier 1, from what I could tell everyone's first impression was that it looked kinda mid. Looking at it more closely, it does synergize with Misty and it's only stage 1 just like arcanine and we know how popular that one got, not to mention it also 1 shots mewtwo with giovanni, pikachu, celebi, etc.. and it being stage 1 means its faster to set up than a charizard. Really big surprise tho, once we get more consistency support to other elements we're gonna see another shift and thats coming soon on a bigger expansion.
people barely even play giovanni in Gyarados due to greninja which is even better.
People bothered to read all the stuff besides the 140 damage while not realizing the point of the card is to do 140 damage. Can sometimes do a cute play of attaching no energy before attacking with it though to increase the odds of discarding an opposing energy since AFAIK 4 energy on opponents side and 4 energy on your side means a 50% chance to discard their energy.
Also can potentially one shot Charizard with Greninja or druddigon
That's why you always have to wait and see how things will go. Consistent raw power, high health, and being a stage 1? Yeah, that was a card with the tools to be great. And they gave it a nice Magikarp to work with. So you can slap energy on that thing and not lose it while sending it to the backline to power up.
i love celebi. its not a tournament deck because tournaments are all about consistency. getting unlucky means youre out. outside of tournaments bad luck is less devestating, thats where it shines
So many Leaf puns “Leaf will fall off” “Snorlax too heavy for the Leaf”
Thanks for the update, thought gyarados would be bad tbh. But the tank strategy is also fun for playing dragonite
For dragonite, play bunch fossils and Chatot to fix hand. You should have dragonite at 4th turn
"Misty randomly turning on the Gyarados early"
Gyarados used Harden
Plz keep doing this! So I can keep Sabrina and take out your Magikarp with energy hehe
can I just say I absolutely adore the "LET'S. GET. [BLANK]-ING!" catch phrase, to the point that I use that shit in real life now lmao
41:09
My dream snorlax ex would be something like 170 hp, 4 retreat cost, 3 cost rest: this ability uses up two energy. Fully heal snorlax and become asleep. 1 cost, sleep talk: 150 damage to 1 pokemon your opponent controls. What you guys think? Too strong? :)
I guess I should clarify I mean 1 random pokemon will be hit by sleep talk and it can only be used if snorlax is asleep. And maybe rest should be 4 cost and lose 3 energy? There is always the coin flip that snorlax will wake up and not be able to use sleep talk. I just want it to be usable but not extremely broken.
only if the sleeping meta will rise, if not sleep talk won't be his offensive move
Definitely too strong maybe stage 1 evolves from muchlax, and have sleep talk deal less damage, say 120,
Compared to pidgeot ex that's already almost pretty good it it's stage 1 instead of stage 2, even tankier, and deals slightly less but more consistent damage for basically the same energy cost. And if you want to make it better you can give munchlax an attack or ability that makes it fall asleep, maybe have it have 70 hp and if it gets hit it falls asleep so it can tank some weak hits and set up an early sleep talk
@@littlezero6399 I'd give it a first attack that heals 40 and puts it asleep with a second attack being a 2 energy, 160 damage swing only usable if it's asleep.
Would be dope if you added a section for what kind of energies a deck runs!
Energy system is almost obvious depending what's the role of a pokemon. If its a stall wall u don't need it to attack u want it to buy time so u can count that card out but if its the main pokemon of the deck and obviously highest damage dealing then u make sure it can attack. If its colorless u watch what type of energy other pokemons run
Been preaching the Raichu variant of Pika EX. Super fucking consistent
This tier is very strange.
Opening each deck in top 2 tiers, we can see cleary that the 2 under are getting MORE 1ST positions than the others.
Gyarados doesnt have a single one and Pikachu only one.
For me mewtwo became even powerfull, killing charizards with mew. New psychic card is something too.
And we all know how celebi is everywhere in the game right now, fast when needed, and if the opponent stall they became unlimited powerful.
And where is starmie? I cant believe people are using meme decks like the lower tiers but no starmie articuno at all.
Nice video, really informative and fun tbh! I was trying Gyarados because I loved the card and playstyle, and I'm shocked to see that no Gyarados deck runs Articuno + Leaf + Misty as a tank that can actually fight back like I do.
Pidgeot EX is super underrated. I've been having a lot of success with my Pidgeot, Druddigon, and Tauros deck. It's so good and really fun to play. The moment I laid eyes on Druddigon I knew he was about to change the entire meta, and with poke flute, so does Pidgeot EX. I don't think people realize just how good she is, which, is great for me because I keep winning 😁
I have every card in this set except gyrados I can’t pull it from packs whatsoever
i got 1 from 10 packs and 1 from the holiday pack
Same
Same
played that shit since the 17th but i still only got one of em, so sad
@29:45 you meant 20 more damage from Lightning not Psychic. Zebstrika is very clutch hitting the benched Magikarp
NO WAY i was like, isn’t this guy the YUGIOH DUEL LINKS GUY????????? I WAS LIKE YESSSSSSSS HE’S PLAYING POKEMON
I keep hearing about tournaments, but where I can find information to join ?
Limitless TCG
Soon Alakazam decks with high density of psychic types, slab and probably Mew EX too for versatility will start becoming a thing, a lot of energy hungry decks running around atm. People is already countering Gyarados hard with things such as Hitmonlee, Electabuzz and the zebra. If anything, I prefer Starmie variants because with that I have an alternative if I have a slow start with crappy Misty rng, or not drawing them or the Gyarados in time. Decks with stages 1 and 2s tend to be spotty in consistency because of how badly dependent the game is on prof and Pokéball atm.
@@kindredzpirit6046 Calling it now that we'll get Alakazam ex in the near future after every other type got a big energy" ex to counter all of them.
So, umm...how in the heck is KOGA tier 4? I have not lost a SINGLE match in 25 event matches with Venipede - Weezing. It is unbelievably strong. What do people do wrong with it that is isnt AT LEAST tier 2?
11:52 „he specifically mentioned, that charizard is good against mewtwo“ i know you are only reading what he says, but let me explain to you why charizards worst enemy is a mewtwu deck. You can only oneshot mewtwo with charizard. An experienced player will keep a mew on the bench and its GG. Mew copies charizards 200 attack with only 3 energies. Also worth mentioning is that in order to get your charizard fully evolved, it needs time and RNG. Same amount of time and RNG as gardevoir needs in a mewtwu deck. You cant expect to get charizard before he gets gardevoir. Arcanine cant deal with mewtwo either.
I've tried running Aerodactyl in a few Fighting decks but man, I swear it hurts my own deck more than the opponent. Might get significantly more useful once we get a good Basic ex to lead the deck.
@@ZakadingYeah buddy! 2x geo 2x grav 2x new golem 2 hitmonlee, 1 marshadow 1 onix?
Aerodactyl is a waste imo, I would rather run kabutops. Maybe if the meta shifts abit more it would become alot better, it's ability would have been useful if it only effected the bench rather than active
I dont know why aero get so much hate.. yeah its ability is not useful but its still good mid range dmg dealer. While everyone saying how OP starmie is ( 2 energy 90 dmg) with 10 less dmg aero suddenly become trash 😂
@@Hs2024-1 Because 80 vs 90 is a HUGE deal considering a lot of breakpoints in the game (even more now with meta relevant ex Pokemon going to 170/180hp), Starmie ex has free retreat cost and you can guarantee starting with Staryu and fetch it with Pokeball. Misty is also a factor as even just boosting its energy to 2 can be game winning and with the free retreat, you can use Vaporeon to great effect, while Aerodactyl lacks any such help. Yes, it's the only stage 1 with a 2 energy attack dealing 80, but considering the extra work required to run it consistently, that should have been 90.
@@Zakading maybe i position aero slightly different. Besides marshadow and hitmonlee(meta affects this card play rate) , there is no good midrange in most of the fighting deck. Its either i draw the golem/machamp line or i auto lose. But i gotta draw into something right? Thats when aero comes into play.
this is my first card game. thank you, you taught me well! almost 1k wins now 😁
10:53 I cant understand why the website not adding what energy they use for the deck, because deck like Greninja n pdiddygon sometimes use water and or fire @Dkayed
This is a pending change we will add but most, if not all, tourney decklist submissions do not state their energy used. It would mostly only be the winstreak decklists where users will state their energy
The Celebi EX and Mew EX both get 1 shot from the Giovanni addition to the deck line up. 18:41
@dkayed the pidgeot ex n victreebell is to counter the magikarp after killing it, you revived it using poke flute n kill it again back to back
Cant wait for the new set this month so i can make new combos with the older decks and the new one. Plus see what other ppl can come up with
Love you dkayed keep up the good work
Been waiting on your update
Boss’s Orders will be a much have in every deck if they decide to drop it on pocket
Where can i join a tournament?
no one knows my secret chatot fossil gyat-rados strat
It's funny how the two tier 2 decks are practically 2 powerhouses of ex pokémon which need their corresponding stage 2 supporter to work with the same weaknesses. 😂
I'm still unsure how to use the Mythical Slab correctly. Should you activate it before or after a Pokeball or Prof. Research? I feel like top decking a Prof. Research with Slab is really bad, but if you keep pokeball in hand and use it to reshuffle after a failed slab, you lost the 1 card progression towards your Gardevoir. I've seen people use Porygon's ability to make sure the Slab works out, but is it actually worth the slot, while also lowering the odds to get your desired basic pokémon in your starting hand or with pokeball?
Activate it first depending on how many items or basics you pull if you pull more items activate it if you pull more basics wait
Slab always before pokeball, poke ball will reduce your odds of slab hitting a pokemon
@@halcyonacoustic7366 but at the same time you lose the benefit of slab if you hit a non-psychic card. Slab gets you 1 card closer to your key piece, pokeball also gets you one card closer. But pokeball shuffling your deck negates the benefit of slab putting a non-combo piece on the bottom of the deck. If used that way it's like a Misty, where you have a chance to draw a card, but if it fails you either play or don't play your pokeball in hand, in both cases you are only 1 card closer as opposed to 2 when playing pokeball first, then slab.
The question is: What's the worse outcome? Potentially losing out on the value of Slab or potentially losing the advantage of a Prof. Research?
Similar question with Slab before or after Research: You could drae into your 2nd Prof. Research or Pokeball with Research, then slab safely, but if you drew pokemon instead you're in a worse position, whereas using slab first yields a lower odds of top decking Research, but it's still a risk.
@@solidzackI haven't done the testing to confirm myself, but I heard that pokeball doesn't actually shuffle your deck (even though it plays the animation.) If true, it should make the decision pretty straightforward: Always slab first, unless you very specifically need a stage 1 or 2 this turn.
Edit: just tested and it totally does shuffle so nvmd lol
Use the YGO logic for this. Activate cards that searches specific cards first, then use those that draw card/s from the deck.
With arcanine you "tank" with moltres. Mew is there to deal against mewtwo and zard.
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My gyardos stills dominates anything.
Mew is not a tank for arcanine deck, you want to tank and ramp with moltres and slowly build mew in the back to counter either mewtwo or char
Magneton raichu is soo strong.
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My mans! Good content but my goodness, you gotta learn how to pronounce the Pokemon names right.. especially with a channel with Pokemon in its name! Haha
Keep up the good content, excited to see your coverage as the meta grows.
P.S. Shuriken: Sure-ree-ken, not Shrew-ken. Taken from a Japanese pronunciation
Gyarados is tooooo consistent. Just got my 2 gyarados ex from wonderpick yesterday. How pika and mewtwo have fallen. I hope it gets balanced even though i love playing gyarados ex uwu
i keep getting my sht rocked by gyarados 😅 guess i need to build my own
I'm seeing Celebi decks left right and center, I tried many decks to counter it but I don't have Charizard or Arcanine. Once Celebi is full loaded if you don't have a hard hitting card you just lose and its hard to stop it because of this INSANE card Erika
It's tier 0 if you don't have the counters
Blaine fire decks are more effective vs Celebi. Once you get out of Event matches you should face a mich wider variety of decks
@@mc9723Yep, Blaine Rapidash/Ninetails is the fire answer to Celebi decks. Much quicker than Charizard or even Arcanine.
Celebi is in no way tier 0.
oh wow i created timestamps for litteraly everything and it got deleted by youtube for no reason, nvm then ig ....
I can see it
I thought celebi would be number one for sure.
Gyarados 1
Cool, the day I get my second gardevoir and mewtwo EX, the meta moves on. 😭
Except you obviously missed in the video where Mewtwo is still tier 1. Still a very consistent and top contender deck, especially with introduction of slabs
Sometimes its better for a deck u like to not be in tier 1.
The tiers are for competition tryhards as a benchmark, casual player or non tourney player can play a tier 3 and slay just fine
It's still top tier decks tho. Still like among 3rd best deck.
Tournament representation usually Mewtwo are the most used deck still.
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Banlist when??.
1st
I’m quite bored of this tank meta… it’s just boring.
Hitmonlee or backrow attacker is your best bet. Follow up with marshadow if you do ground