Percy Jackson: An Unfortunate Disappointment
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0:00 Intro
5:59 Sponsor
7:56 Breakdown
18:45 The Characters
53:25 The Exposition Problem
1:18:22 Community Flaw
1:41:00 Episodes 6, 7 and 8
2:12:06 Conclusion
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Every time I hear people complain about the lack of mystery in the show i remember that Rick Riordan always tells a story about how he was originally gonna name the first book "The Son of Poseidon" until one of his students told him that that completely gets rid of the mystery,,, i feel like Riordan maybe just needed less creative control lmao
that story honestly makes so much sense for how the show turned out
Later on we did get son of Neptune. Same thing different font lmaoo
Also, I feel like it was very obvious whose son PJ was? Maybe it's because I read them with the understanding and the knowledge of certain characters and situations already (I got spoiled bad, lmao. So bad I'm in the 3rd series waiting for a character to die cause I know they will), but i find it was pretty obvious to guess offspring of Poseidon. All PJ's weird antics happened near, in or involved bodies of water. Like???
@@AmelieKaren7_13 honestly I definitely agree but I think it depends on how old you are when you read it, like a lot of the first series was opportunities for kids to figure out something before the book did, like Medusa or the lotus casino, and while all those twists seem pretty obvious as adults when you’re a kid it’s pretty cool to be able to feel smart by figuring it out before the book
Man hated the movie so much he looked past some of the things that we kinda liked about the movie. CGI, Action, Characterization
I wish the kids were allowed to organically figure out who the monsters are, not Percy every 5 seconds going "I know who you are" like a mini Sherlock Holmes.
Exactly. And that's the fun about the books! You get to figure out the Monsters with the characters
there are times in the books percy (and the readers) don’t even know what they’re fighting until it’s completely over and they talk about it. the show could have done w some of that
the books are kinda of that in a way, but it's really hard to translate that to video. The later two series, Heroes of Olympus and Trials of Apollo both had a glossary with all the terms and names.
My sense is this change was an attempt to account for how much more *fans* tend to know about greek mythology now, simply by virtue of the phenomenon that the books became. I don’t think it was successful, necessarily, but I do see where they were coming from?
I think it was okay. Percy both in the book and in the serial is new to this thing, and knows about a few things. But Annabeth knows about the truth for a while, and as a very smart person, she probably thought that knowlage from the myths is valuable. Annabeth is executed better than in the first book. They show that she is smart, and not tell us that she is smart but can't figure out the most well known monster from Greek mythology by a filed of stone statues. And tbh, how many new viewers knew who Echidna or Procrustes is before watching the show.
TLDR: Characters are not idiots
I dont understand why people insist on making fantasy into live action, percy jackson would be a GREAT animation series. Im tired of people fighting cgi monsters on fake backgrounds.
well youre in for a pleasant surprise if you havent seen American Gods.
Exactly! I feel the same with the attempts to make avatar the last airbender into a live action, some stories just fit better in animation. Plus I think the humor would translate better into animation
i'm hoping that the spider-man movies are going to change things deffinately if DC makes the batman beyond animated movie 🙏🏻
That would be great!
@@AuGoldificationthere was a cartoon from 2005 called class of the titans that was kind of similar.
"It's a kid's show" Yeah. It's a kid's book too... didn't stop it from being awesome.
This! There's this insane stance in media (especially film) that because something's target audience is kids it can be shit. I don't think I was even in my teens when I picked up the LOTR books and immediately dropped all of the shitty children's fantasy that I had been sustaining myself with until then.
Different times so naturally we can't have kid oriented material be good anymore
The writers forgot they're writing for general audiences and didn't include basic stuff from the book, like ambrosia or Percy's sword name, yet couldn't stop dropping boring exposition
They don't mention Riptide's NAME ? ARE YOU KIDDING ME ?
I only realized that after I mentioned riptides name to my dad who was watching the show and he was like that’s the swords name
@@kotlcbooknerd885omg, as someone who watched with my dad (casual watcher) this was my exact same experience.
They dont even mention any of the weapons name aside from the gods'
Nor did they mention that it magically reappears in his pocket… at least I don’t think so.
the way the lotus casino scene was reduced from an enthralling mystery to a lengthy conversation needs to be studied
No actually 😭 it was literally just a 10 minute long conversation with a character that Percy’s not even supposed to meet until season 2.
That episode was my last straw and made me not continue the series at all 😭 just so dissapointing
I hated how they immediately knew the lotus flowers they eat would keep them in there…only for them to realize that it’s also aerosolized and lose time in there anyways. Like wtf was that about
It was yeaaars ago I read the book and saw the movie, but one thing i remember the most is the lotus casino and the feeling it gave me and I was so excited for them to get there in the tv-show and it was just... Oh god.... Not even a little bit as exciting as I remember it
the way I was actively excited for that scene, and then they just turned it all into a boring exposition dump
They should have casted Keanu Reeves as Hades. He can perfectly encapsulate tired, intimidating, and taking no shit and doing this all while wearing a basic black suit.
That would be incredible!
I was think Jeffrey Dean Morgan would make a good Hades too
Oh! He would be a great Hades as well. He can pull of threatening but also knows how to add levity to the roll since he did that really well in TWD@@heliotikis
Maybe Disney can take notes for Hercules live action
They don't have keanu money
They left out the fact they were hungry and exhausted the whole time. They didn't get to change clothes until they raided the amusment park gift shop. They didn't get to shower until the Lotus Hotel. Part of the reason they didn't pick up on things is because they were to tired and hungry to take notice.
It's so disappointing that this show didn't go THERE. The books are fun and adventurous and youthful but they're also really gritty and serious. The show just misses all of these things
Literally made the obstacles in the quest seem not as impactful because we didn’t see the toll it took on them physically, like imagine Percy and Annabeth coming out of Tartarus without any injuries, with clean clothing, and perfectly showered
THIS!!! THIS!!!! Literally the reason why they went into Medusa's house even when Grover said he smelled monsters was that they were starving. The reason why they accepted the room in the Lotus Casino even though they realized the whole situation was weird is that they would be able to shower and sleep in an actual bed. I don't remember well but I think those are basically the same reasons why they fall into Circe's trap in The Sea Of Monsters. A lot of the times they do acknowledge the circumstances are a bit suspicious from the beginning, but fall into it anyways because they're hungry, tired KIDS.
That makes a lot of sense. I went in blind to this series and was very confused by the nonchalance that these pre-teens exhibited after being sent out to do something impossible. It’s hard to drive across the country in 3 days, but they’re like “meh the bus didn’t work let’s walk.” And the just seemed to meander from encounter to encounter, like a dnd party that kept missing hooks so the dm just had to have the plot ambush them on the way.
adding to the element this show forgot, that they are just kids. Kids talk a big game but when it comes to life and death situations sometimes they're more reluctant to take a a sketchy adults for help. it also didnt feel like a journey, in LOTR we see how much of a toll it takes on frodo and sam to walk all the way to mordor, Now im not saying getting o the underworld is like mordor but those actors looked and felt exhausted and tired, so much so they wen to gollum for help.
To the fans that defend the author, writing a book is vastly different from writing a tv show and this is a prime example of how it's not easy to move between medias.
Some people can do it but yeah it’s having to be good at two different things basically because the way of writing is so different
and that’s why they need lots of screenwriters to reign them in, like in Harry Potter where jk didn’t have full control
The fact theyre convinced it’s good bc the author is involved is stupid
The thing is, if he followed the twists and fights in the book it would have been good, it's the changes that made it bad.
Yes, writing a book where you describe every thought a character has is one thing and making a show where you have to show us emotions to convey those thoughts is very different, however there is no reason to immediately tell us exactly what happens before it even does, even dora the explorer has more suspense
In the book, Hades is 10 feet tall, has a cloak made of souls of the dead, an army of skeletons of the soldiers of every army in western history, reminds Percy of Hitler and Napoleon, and has an aura that makes Percy feel the need to submit, as the souls of the dead do to the lord of the fucking underworld. In the series, he’s a dude.
And it tricks us thinking hades is just evil when in reality he's just tired and bitter. Underappreciated older brother vibes
To paraphrase the books He looks like you to smashed every serial killers face together.
@@erickesquivel6150 yes!! When he talks about how he doesn’t want a war because he’s already tired from running his kingdom at a time of rising deaths and Italian suits. He really did just get the short end of the stick.
Which considering how Rick is involved makes me question whether that is something he regrets? Like if he wrote them now would Hades just be some Dude to???
@@williamtimonen6814 TBF, its kinda hard to adapt something like book Hades without a huge budget. Like, Disney had to spend a lot of money to make Groot look good. I'm going to assume that the show doesn't have the budget to surpass GotG and also needs to stretch out the budget over multiple episodes.
In other words, the Percy Jackson show should've just been animated instead of live action.
I hated the scene where Annabeth and Percy were bickering and Luke goes like, “when did you guys become like an old married couple?”
I’m like…what? When? How? I always knew they were being set as a couple but it was not there
Exactly. They simply became friends by the end of the 1st book. And (spoilers for the next books, but I'm sure you've read it) Annabeth was basically crushing super hard on Luke back then. Meanwhile, it took Percy a bit more to develop his crush. Their friendship started with them arguing and bantering, but they were never shoved together from the get-go. Their banter and their iconic "seaweed brain" and "wise girl" was a start yes, but it didn't have Annabeth being annoyed at Percy every. single. time.... just why? As a fandom, we never won. 💀
Omg same. It feels like a moment for the shippers to latch onto, it was so cheap
it was so awkward like they just shoved it in there for book fans
Annabeth saying "seaweed brain" for the first time felt so unearned. It felt weird to hear her saying it in such a serious moment. I'll admit that Percabeth were 12 y/o me's parents but this felt like a cheap appeal to nostalgia.
@@Rox7ne They were just friendly until BotL but it was implied that Percy and Annabeth started crushing on each other at roughly at the same age. It's just that Percy, as we all know, is dense and "obtuse" as Annabeth called him; hence, it took him some time to process that he actually has feelings for Annabeth. Annabeth was explicitly mentioned to have had a crush on Percy since she was 12 in MoA while Percy was implied to have found her attractive for a while. In TLT, as in the first book, he said his "face felt a little warm" when Annabeth gave him her necklace. In SoM, he focused waaay too much on how pretty Annabeth was when he was a hamster. In TTC, Aphrodite looked half like Annabeth. We just happened to get Percy as our unreliable and dense narrator lol.
Now I don't mind the subtle eye contact in the show, since viewing the story in a POV that's not locked on Percy is bound to be a different experience. But the way Annabeth said "seaweed brain" for the first time made me feel nothing. We weren't shown enough interactions (whether heartfelt or banter) only between them that could've made me think Annabeth earned the right to call him that so quickly. Plus she said it at such a serious moment so it felt so awkward. Overall, I think the Percabeth romantic tension was not too strong and quick for the first season but, then again, every relationship in this season felt so forced and inorganic. The creators seemed like they didn't care about writing an accurate adaptation nor its own, engaging thing. Heck, Game of Thrones is such an inaccurate adaptation yet it's a pretty good standalone. Disney's PJO is... just there 😭 It's like they're willing to sacrifice quality writing and cinematography because they know us nostalgic PJO readers will eat it all up regardless.
Did anyone feel like there was no sense of danger ? Like no matter what monster they faced they’d beat them without breaking a sweat
One of the issues in the book was them being absolutely clueless about any situation they walked into. However, for the show, they knew what was going on and who each person/monster was within ten seconds. Take the Crusty scene, for example. In the book, it was excusable that Percy ran away from people trying to rob him. Still, in the show, he walked in, saw a random guy selling waterbeds, and immediately knew it was Procrustes, and his friends weren't even being stretched to death.
So tldr, you're right, and they knew anything and everything that would come after them.
yea, the whole time i was like: whatever, they’re gonna figure it out in the next 2min anyway
Exactly, there was barely any tension. When Annabeth immediately figured out Aunty Em’s was Medusa I rolled my eyes, and then they all immediately figure out the point of the Lotus Casino. It just becomes formulaic. The books actually had tension.
Echidna felt somewhat different.
there was no sense of danger because there was no mistery! with all being said, we cant fear the unknown
“Why does Percy know fucking everything??” It feels like Percy read the book before going on his quest and finished each chapter right before the events in said chapters happened. Like he’s chilling with his copy of Lightning Thief before meeting Hades so immediately he’s like “oh yeah I just read that chapter, it’s Kronos!”
I do agree. I am currently listening to the audiobook,he knows stuff about mythology but not everything as well he is out Harry Potter/Luke Skywalker pov/ surrogate character. He should not know everything,there are ways can exhibit information
Except he doesn't know everything? He recognized Medusa, and that one was obvious, but for the rest someone had to explain in to him.
This is such a good way of putting it 😂
@@PlackowiczHe knows about Medusa in the book but Percy and Annabeth at the time were in some kind of trance due to hunger when smelling the hamburgers while Grover got nervous. It was when they were eating that they realised they were in Medusa's lair when she mentioned Annabeth by name and her story. The show just goes on with "Hi I'm Medusa" and i was like what the hell 😂. At least, if they want to do that they should make it with more tension to balance the info exposition by lengthening the fight scene as Medusa was not a run of the mill monsters that can be taken out so easily. Oh well it was all said and done so there is no use thinking about it. Hopefully, in S2 they will fix that by giving the show more mystery and suspense cause it's the SEA OF MONSTERS. Not the sea of cute and cuddly animals.
I mean it doesn’t take a brainiac to realize that if someone is making a power play against Olympus, the titans could be involved. Like if we’re talking about motive to overthrow Zeus, Kronos has more motive than anyone. He figured it out in front of Hades which was *after* Grover almost got pulled into Tartarus and realizing he had the Master Bolt, which is a huge hint that it was Kronos. He knew it wasn’t Poseidon and Hades was pretty convincing.
You also have to remember he was raised on this mythology by his mom. My biggest complaint is that they fail to convey properly that he spent a while at camp and that being a demigod comes with an innate aptitude for this mythological side of the world. They really brush over the ADHD and dyslexia being part of their nature, the ADHD being their innate disconnect from the modern world combined with their “adventurer’s spirit” yearning for more stimulation and the dyslexia being a side effect of an innate understanding of ancient greek. Iirc it’s implied in the books that they have strong instincts/innate understanding of that world to a degree as well.
Have been saying it for years now, they should just make a Percy Jackson animated series similar to ATLA. They can have more episodes, they won’t have to worry about casting or the actors getting older and could stay more faithful to the books, and it would make visual effects even better. I’ve seen so many amazing animations or animatics of PJO characters and I’ve always just been like “god this would so cool if they animated the whole book series”
Yeah, but that would require convincing Hollywood that animation isn't a baby medium for babies. The Oscars are a living example of how little the industry cares about animation.
@angieng6091 omg, you are SO right! That would be amazing
Yesss could you imagine ATLA or Castlevania level
If only Hollywood respected the medium of animation
Except animated shows are getting 8 to 13 episodes and are canceled after 1 to 2 seasons
And it's crazy because Annabeth _is_ Percy's love interest. By book 3 we understand Percy at least feels passionate about her, and by book five they are together. It's an age-appropriate slow burn. The first two books are entirely setting up Percy and Annabeth as friends. The first two seasons should reflect that. Percabeth shippers shouldn’t feel thirsty and look for breadcrumbs _because theyve already won. Percabeth is canon. Shippers would have had much better content if Percy and Annabeth were allowed to be Percy and Annabeth from the beginning.
Fr, They push it too much, There are many shipper in PJO Fandom, It was proved when Piper and Jason Break Up in ToA , Most of the Fans hate the 3rd book of just that reason (just like me - lol )
Buuuut,
Annabeth supposed to have crush on Luke and kin of Hate to Percy in first book (tho im MoA She confess she had crush on Percy since she is 12 )
@__Savitar__The_God_Of_Speed tbf, she could have disliked Percy partially because she liked him when she was "supposed" to like Luke. I don’t remember if Annabeth also says that since it's been probably a decade since I read thay book, but you know, kids are weird.
@@iGotBulletproof-Insomnia Annabeth had crush on Luke for 2 reasons
1 ) Luke is extremely handsome and hot 💀
2 ) Luke is the only one who cared about Annabeth
That is Why Annabeth had Crush on Luke, Not only Annabeth, but Most of CHB Girls had crush on Luke, Then Percy came and Luke turn to evil .... You Know Rest 💀
In MoA, Annabeth said She had a crush on Percy since She was 12
@@-._.-What-Is-Up-._.- I said I don't remember if Annabeth ever did she disliked Percy because she was "supposed" to like Luke. I meant it in that people, especially kids, have this idea they can only like one person at a time, even if they like them for different reasons. So her liking both Luke and Percy at the same time could have made her frustrated at Percy because she's not supposed to like him, she's supposed to only like Luke.
Dunno why I only just got this notification, that's weird.
I think what's interesting is that Rick was so hellbent on insulting the inaccurate movie (especially the lotus casino scene) when the lotus casino scene in the movie is actually...fun lmao
While I don't really like the Lotus SCENE in the movie, I hate to say it, but the way the Lotus Casino looks in the movie is a lot more accurate to the book than the series. In the series, it's just a boring regular casino
Walker Scobell felt more like Percy Jackson in the ADAM Project than he did in the Percy Jackson TV show.
That's cuz he was making jokes and was allowed to improvise
Tbf he was pretty good tho and did his best with what he got i still think he did well enough in the role.
@@buttermotth Seems like more of a script issue than an acting issue if so.
@PosiMakesStories yeah I never mentioned acting lol. The script and director are so strict they don't give the actors breathing room to experiment
@@buttermotth Hopefully that's something that loosens up next season. I think it's obvious Walker, Leah and Aryan are pretty passionate about these roles so in time I'm hoping they get more of a chance to shine.
The woobiefication of Hades in media is annoying. Yes, Hades is uncommonly sympathetic for a Greek god, but he's still a Greek god. He can be vindictive, petty, and a generally unpleasant person. He's not an emo sad-boy, he's a burned out Walmart manager who hates his job.
Never heard a more accurate description 🤣
Yesss, that's crazy because in the books he always seemed more reasonable but we still felt a lot of tension when he was around, like he could change his mind at any moment.
Hades from Hades: Technically both. Emo sad boy under a rock-hard facade of stern, emotionally distant, controlling dad.
I saw so many people justify this Hades bc "yeah, that is Nico DiAngelo's dad lol" but no, that doesn't make this fruity knock-off a good Hades. He was described as the first god that really put fear into Percy and here he seems like a slightly sleazy uncle.
Yeah, maybe seeing him and Nico interact later would be fun but not at the cost of ruined characterisation. And they kind of ruined the Palace too. Man, this was, for me, the worst part of the last episode
@FelisImpurrator And a total badass. At least when Persephone isn't around. Hades is such as great fucking game!
It felt like Riordan's biggest gripe with the original movies was that his ideas weren't adequately explained, and oh boy did they over course correct by having everyone explain everything.
What blows my mind is the show had 15 M budget PER EPISODE. Where did that even go to? It felt like they cut corners everywhere. I'm convinced this was a money laundering scheme.
Thats literally one Godzilla Minus One, PER EPISODE. WHERE WAS THAT MONEY GOING???
@@Data-Expungededok YOURE RIGHT but are you seriously comparing one of If not the most cost-effective film in history 😅
Next season they’re gonna be like “BE CAREFUL! You’ll turn into a guinea pig!” before they even reach the island
Season 5 of the show will be like:
.Percy upon immediately receiving a certain vase goes up to the "Last Olympian," gives her said vase, and looks straight into the camera to explain the theme/message of the series. Also instantly knows Luke's and Hade's backstories.
.Annabeth immediately figures out what part of the Great Prophecy applies to which characters after hearing it at camp lmao.
😭😭
I would genuinely commit a crime if this happened
Annabeth is white on the cover of House of Hades. She is canonically white but racists who hate white people don't want to hear that fact.
"You're Circe, aren't you? You used to turn men into pigs...but something tells me you've changed with the times"~ Infodump Jackson
I hate how this show completely removed any sense of fun, adventure, or tension. While this was a more faithful adaptation than the movies, it essentially felt like 8 episodes of exposition being read at us in a monotone voice. As a longtime fan, I really hope season 2 is stronger
the show is fun, you are just an idiot
It's made by Disney I doubt it... They seem to think nowadays that they know better than the people buying their products
Yeah, it's like the trio unlocked the power to read into the script for the show haha. What's so funny about that issue specifically is that the PJO books literally introduce a character that actually has some foresight powers, and the most she does is give Percy a nudge in the right direction. This issue seriously needs to be addressed in Season 2
Oh my god, yes! My main complaint about the show that its missing the fun
I agree with you. I watched the first 2 or 3 episodes and lost interest.
The show felt light and fluffy, and kind of annoying actually.
I hate how the show is afraid to tackle the hard topics of the books, like Gabe’s abuse, they reduce him to a cartoon character in this show. Also the ending scene of Luke’s betrayal was one of the worst scene changes I’ve ever seen.
Exactly, like I get it's disney and all, but like... in the books, Percy literally describes his mom flinching as Gabe raises his hand!
it's kind of wild to see how much they sanitized gabe because they literally didn't have to because the depiction of abuse was already toned down for the child audience in the book. it basically all happens off screen and the stuff we see on the page is just hinting towards the stuff that's actually going on like sally flinching when gabe raises his hand so we know he's physically abusive, or him talking about how the montauk trip will come out of her allowance so we know he controls her finances.
Gabe is one of the very few things the movie did better imo ... he actually seemed intimitating. He was a character you hoped would die
I graduated uni with a degree in Creative Writing. Although my focus was on novel writing, I had to take a playwriting/screenwriting class. And let me tell you (just like everyone has pointed out) IT’S NOT THE SAME THING. It’s such a completely different medium which you have to approach in a completely different way than novel writing, which Rick is great at. Screenplays - not so much. I feel like he also approached this first season from the perspective of Percy Jackson from the newest book Chalice of the Gods. He’s writing from the perspective of an older Percy who already knows the outcome of everything which is why all the kids seem too knowledgable than they should be. Especially Percy. Annabeth could be understood, but even she struggled a lot with figuring things out etc. I’m kind of afraid that when we go into The Sea of Monsters, she’ll immediately clock Circe and the guinea pigs. The whole fun of it was that Percy was gullible and Annabeth was enchanted by Circe… Rick needs like 3 editors who can go over the scripts and can actually stand up to him
I talked to my sister about the story and pacing and she pointed out that a lot of the shows faults could also be due to them foregoing making a storyboard? so if they didnt do that ...they definetly should ... it would also help with boring shots and directing too
@@larajackson239true, but that is more so from the directorial/editing part, rather than writing. In any case, the LEAST they could do is bulletpoint it from all angles (writing, editing etc) and figure out what needs to be there and what filler has to be there. Bulletpoints are the meat. Filler is the seasoning (if done well), directing is the plating and presentation. All is needed for a good story. Also - just up the lighting of the show, I can barely see it 😭😂
I agree, Rick is Human not a God, Almos every book he wrote after House of Hades suked
Even new PjO Book, 6th PJO book sucked so hard that I think I can't even give it 4/10
So, is for the Show, It would really good show if a real fan (A Fan who wrote Fan fiction which are basically better than some of Rick's books) involve in Script writing rather than Rick
Yeah this feels the same as George Lucas and the dialogue issues in the prequels. Their choices were theirs alone, and that doesn't necessarily reflect a solid product. A lot of the charm in the aOT trilogy did not come straight from George, but he was a bit of a yes man by the time of the late 90s-mid 2000s for the prequel era.
Based off how bad the earlier PJO movies were received, finally having the actual creator involved could've created the same environment. It's got that Disney, sanitized feel that the shows like the Mandalorian and Ahsoka suffer from despite their OG creators also being involved as well with Favreau and Filoni. Dave was amazing in the Clone Wars, but clearly struggles with the jump to live-action.
It feels like a combo of Disney's relationship with overusing CGI/The Volume, and Rick not doing super well as a screenwriter.
right, i knew rick was going to be involved but i didn’t know he was going to actually be a writer. i thought he would just be a heavily relied on creative consultant for character dialogue or representation of scenes or settings or whatever… not the one in charge of it all.
The Percy Jackson books actually aren't YA, they're middle grade fantasy. That actually makes the lack of fun, adventure, and vibrance in this adaptation even more egregious.
its called a fricking adaptaion for a reason
percy is 12 at the start no? which is the start of YA books age demo
@@notavailable637 Disney Hyperion is the publisher, if you go to their website the age range is listed as 9-12. Of course they can be enjoyed by all but the target demo of the original book series is children.
@@notavailable637Disney Hyperion is the publisher and in their website the age range for The Lightning Thief is 9-12. Of course the books can be enjoyed by all but the primary target demographic is children.
On the publisher's website the reader range is listed as 9-12.
As someone who is very active in it, I can only appreciate your very thorough calling out of the fandom's behavior. It's been embarrassing to watch how whiny and petty we've been over the last few weeks, and we've proven to be incapable of accepting criticism. This video is full of hard but necessary truths. I hope season 2 goes on a path of improvement!
yup, hopefully both the show in the fans will be better with season 2...
crazy how the fandom treats Rick like a god. He is human, he can make mistakes. Not everything he does is perfect.
@@-Sai yep! He’s made mistakes in the past too (like his minority rep), but the fandom gets VERY defensive about that. Which is a shame, because how is he supposed to improve if he can’t take criticism (and the fandom shields him from it)?
@@violetlavi2207 Like even a majority of the fanbase agrees that Blood of Olympus was underwhelming and the writing of characters like Piper McLean can be questionable at times. So I don't get why such a large portion of fans suddenly act like Rick can do no wrong. I have never seen a fanbase put an author on an untouchable pedestal like this before.
@@daughterofdune8480I hope they end up not releasing the second season. I will not stand another wave of toxic PJO TV stans
Since the last phase of Marvel movies, Disney started relying heavily on their star power instead of good writing. I´m guessing that´s why they chose to have so many loved celebrities as Gods.
They felt like throwing in Lin Manuel Miranda just to attract people. They are not willing to pay good writers or a good special effects team but they definitely can write big checks for the big celebrities.
Honestly, I dont get why a bunch of Disney shows are failing at this point, aside from terrible writing.
Because in early 2020s I had fun watching Wandavision, The Mandalorian and Loki.
Rick could have just done the smart thing and hired an experienced screenwriter smh
Yeah don't get me wrong I love Lin, I think he has his talents and Hamilton was brilliant...but he's a stage actor and they've been throwing him in everything these days. And he's not Hermes...he just isn't.
I think one of the weirdest things about how they portrayed Hades in the show is that even in later books where he’s not always the imposing figure he is in the first, the main way he’s characterized is that he almost always comes off as brooding and creepy even when he’s trying not to. I don’t understand why you would go the complete opposite route in the show because you run the risk of making future plots involving Hades - which rest on that characterization - not make sense.
The day book writers learn that screenplay writing is a completely different beast than book writing, is the day book adapations will really take off.
fr the only author i can think of is neil gaiman
The show is written by screenwriters
@mayacollins3447
I was talking more in general with book adapations, which is why I didn't name actually name drop Rick.
Also Rick had to have looked over the screenplay, he approved everything lol.
Gillian Flynn, Neil Gaiman and George R.R. Martin were the only ones who got the memo :/ (tho ofc george already wrote for TV a bunch)
And with screenwriters learning how to respect the source material people would start to like and care about their shows.
I hated how the kids knew immediately what was going on and how to solve the problem they were facing. It made the show feel like a bucket list :/
I feel like it made sense, and was actually an improvement to the book. It didn’t make sense that someone like Annabeth would miss Medusa’s lair was always weird to me when reading as a kid.
SPOILER:
In the end percy is one who figures out luke is the one who betrays him, which is not as dramatic as in the book when luke reveals it himself and catches percy off guard. It doesn't even make sense how percy finds out what luke did, it's just bad story telling.
I@joeluwerikowe1308 I understand that point however. Percy and the gang stumbling into random nonsense wasn't unintentional in the books. Rick was specifically calling back to the way heros would just randomly come across trouble and save the day on thier main quest. Also it kinda takes away tension if everyone knows what's happening at every given moment
@@joeluwerikowe1308yeah but it makes the show extremely boring. also them not knowing does make sense. they’re hungry, they’re on the run, they’re tired, they have a deadline, they have a prophecy to think about, they have a million things on their minds, and they’re 12. it makes complete sense they would be more susceptible to being tricked or deceived.
@@emily72510
"yeah but it makes the show extremely boring."
No not really its execution of other things that makes it kinda boring.
"also them not knowing does make sense."
No it doesn't... These kids are DEMIGODS and not just any demigods but that of Greek Mythology which is the same mythology that was very big on FATES who were actual beings.
Literally every Greek hero followed a path that was created for them.
" it makes complete sense they would be more susceptible to being tricked or deceived."
Again we are dealing with characters based on Greek Mythology that was very very big on destiny where people don't make their own life choices but are guided to the predetermined path.
What I always found weird is movies or shows with "destiny" or "prophecy" while also having a very "I create my destiny" vibe and message which creates a contradiction.
What really sealed the deal of this being a let down was when it cut from them getting attacked in a bus to being in the middle of the woods. Percy Jackson IS adventure. What happened between those two points? They literally took all the meat out just to get characters from point a to b.
Literally just show them running into the woods. It would have taken 0 extra screen time
If there's one thing absolutely GRATING my nerves about Riordan, is his sense of self-importance. The way he shits on a movie made from *his* books still now, acting like he's the only one who knows how to write these characters... it's really annoying
(Great review, you've earned a new follower! Absolutely loved the way you talk and argument)
My problem with Rick Riordan always speaking negatively of the movies is that…my guy! you approved of these movies! they couldn’t have made these movies without your permission. Unless you didn’t even bother to review the scripts.
I don’t understand!!!
@Pineapplecrispy not to defend rick because i have all the same issues with the show as explained in the video - but rick really had barely anything to do with the movies. once you sell rights to a story you usually don't have much creative power unless the studio decides to include you or it's written into the contract.
agree w the people above. i understand it hurts to see his material be adapted in such a way but i feel like we need to let bygones be bygones by now. in a way this adaption feels like it’s “fixing” the problems the original movie had… rather than just making a good adaption.
@@user-xi7zo4mr3rthat’s not good enough, whether he approves of the scrip or not, he had given them permission to do whatever they wanted with the books.
Say what you want about her but JK Rowling was watching over Harry Potter like a hawk. Nothing could’ve been included in the movie without her approval.
I’m just sad that Rick just…gave his characters to the filmmakers to do whatever they wanted with them
@@Pineapplecrispy To continue what the other guy said, Rick reviewed the scripts for the movies, said they were bad, and then they removed him
i feel like the show would be so good if the tv show landscape right now wasn't "stuff everything into 8 episodes to throw it online to people with no attention span". with more episodes, and longer episodes at that !!!, they wouldn't have to gloss over and speed up so much plot and development. it has so much potential.
i think its no even about the number of episodes they could make it work but they were so short for no reason
Annoyingly, they added in so much stuff that didn’t need to be there. I legit actually think most of Luke’s backstory should’ve not been in this series
@@gameb9oysome of it should have been but it’s smth you can explain in a minute or two or have the audience infer it bc it’s a pretty basic backstory all things considered
@@giuliamartins15with the whole world riordan built in those books, there's no way to stuff that properly into 8 episodes to begin with. it's why they had to make bad compromises and changes with the story that are a large part of what people dislike about the show. some of the changes, like gabe's character, are not just bad but soo wrong. but i also know that most of the issue is on disney and their system, not on the writers. they had to make do with the run time they got. it's unfortunate.
That's mostly Disney imo
I absolutely hate the "It's made for kids" argument. Kids aren't braindead stupid and treating them like they are is just insulting. I remember being a kid and watching stuff like AtlA and The Incredibles and being hyped to have media that wasn't afraid to include mature themes without being edgy South Park humor. People forget there's levels of knowledge and maturity between toddler and 18.
I watched Harry Potter with my 13-year-old stepsister. She liked it. Then Fantastic Beasts. The first one was good. We did not finish the second one. She could not say specifically why it does not work, she would not write essay about why it was bad. Doesn't mean she was oblivious to it.
Like the pjo fans read the books/
Who are they making this for?? Kids 10 and under???
@@saranemcova5448 100%. tweens and early teens just don't have the vocabulary, experience and technical knowledge to articulate why something is bad but they can tell it's bad
I read a TikTok comment from a mom saying she watched it with her kids (like 6 and 8) and they got bored after the second episode and dropped the show
I think about it since
@@d.o.m.i.lol wut yes they can. You mean actually real kids (meaning under 12 ) have a harder time conveying what they mean? Sure I mean that’s dependent on the kid because we all grow differently especially if you don’t grow up sheltered like most American kids do but outside that age range? Like why are people putting teens in the same category as literal toddlers level of intelligence, this is insanity.
The fact that some of them call him "Uncle Rick" really amps up the cult aspect.
It's a nickname that was originally from the Brazilian part of the fandom, where its more common to use that as an affectionate term as opposed to in eng.
agree, even because of the origins. i doubt most people even know of its origins (i didn’t even know them). i think its fine to have a nickname for someone in the fandom, buuuut… it does create a sense of parasocial relationship IMO.
Wait, whatm hold on. I think It's not that serious, fans makes nickname to their stan all the time, right? It's just goofy.
As much as I hate the adaptation and Rick's artistic decision. This is an absurd blatant nitpick
@@valhatan3907 honestly, it's not. the fans who call riordan "uncle rick" are also the fans with no critical thinking skills or are literally actual children (who also have no critical thinking skills, but you can't hold that against children because they're young). none of them can accept any criticism of the books and they treat riordan like he is some kind of writing god who can do no wrong. they go to bat for him like he is their actual uncle.
When people discuss faithful adaptations they tend to focus on plot points, characters, scenes, dialogue etc. but forget the most important factor: tone. A good adaptation will make the audience feel just like they did when interacting with the original media. That's what this show failed at doing. The original book is fun, it's humorous and funny and adventurous. This show felt nothing like that, the characters are not allowed time to develop themselves and their relationships, they're not allowed to not know things and make mistakes. They only allow very small glimpses of that fun character Percy has, which sucks when the actor clearly has such good comedic timing.
I think skipping over the ADHD/dyslexia subplot did such a disservice to the books. Even as a child I remember thinking how impactful it was that Percy belonged BECAUSE of his disabilities, not IN SPITE of them. It’s such a great concept! This would’ve been so great to show kids/anyone watching and I think it’s so disappointing that they left it out
They definitely mentioned it in the first episode! I remember being glad they at least said something but I only saw the first few episodes so I presume they didn't continue it as a throughline
As someone who didn't read the books, I'd never have gotten this if I hadn't watched videos about the book/show comparison on UA-cam. Too bad!
They didn't left that out, I think. We see Percy's dyslexia in the first episode, Luke says to him that all other demigods on camp are like him, their brains "wired for battle", and he mentions how his ADHD impacted his childhood during his narration. Honestly, I don't think they glossed over that, but I guess you just wanted to see more of it anyway which is understandable. I just don't think the books themselves focused much on that aspect of the demigods either apart from mentioning it from time to time.
@@joaovictor_of I do remember that, but didn't know what a big deal it was in the books (from what I hear).
This makes me question the intention of the casting of Annabeth.
"The best choice"? Uh-huh, sure.
The movie is kind of "so bad it's good", where the series is kind of "so bland it's boring"
Perfect description
@@TheAsuraeva thank you
Huge 🧢 you clearly did not watch the show.
@@santi_super_stunts2573 I found the show so bland it was boring and other people agreed. So, no 🧢, just my opinion.
I watched the first episode and watched the beginning of the second and I found it extremely boring.
While I don't like the movies, at least the first one was so bad that it did make me laugh on occasion.
Nothing about the show felt alive to me, nor compelling.
A part of it might just be that I grew out of love with the world, because as I grew up and became more invested in the art of story telling, the newer stories (which, for me is anything after HoO) felt weird and hallow, not to mention the weird inclusions of Age Gap relationships (Frank and Hazel was the first one to truly give me the ick and then I learned that one of the main siblings in the Egyptian inspired one was going to end up with an immortal god who happened to possess her other love interest and that's just really fucking gross and weird).
It's OK that you liked the show. You go pal! Have your opinions! I just don't share them and I think it's quite rude for you to assume that I didn't even try.
I also watched the Ares fight, albeit, technically out of context and it was so boring. The acting was stiff, the actors felt like cardboard (not the actors' fault, but it doesn't change anything), every bit of world building I love about the books wasn't in the show because the show feels like it's made for 8 year olds who grew up with Dora and need explaining to at every turn, there was no tension and any potential emotional moment fell flat. For me, that is. I didn't connect with the show, because, to me, there was nothing to connect to.
So, yeah, it was "no bland it's boring" to me. Please, learn to understand perspective
@@JDM-is-my-nameok bro...😭
The argument about the first season not being the best is so fucking dumb. Just because the later seasons are better doesn't mean that the first season can be hot garbage. It has to be good.
It's the setup, it has to be good.. genuinely
If the movies didn't exist people would've most likely been MORE harsh on this show, because they wouldn't have had a worse adaptation to compare it to and say "eh, not as bad as that other one". Same goes for Avatar.
One thing I feel ab Percabeth shipping stuff is like, Wdym “We won!”, My brother in christ, You won in the later books. Allow the characters to develop over time, it doesnt need to be immediately shipping in the show.
Right? You literally won 15 years ago.
The two at the beginning did not even mesh well, which made them starting to work together so much better.
Percy was awkward, impulsive, constantly taunting or sarcastic, and the first and only time in the first book where he was genuinely respectful was to Hades due to Hades basically deep frying his brain with his divinity, and it didn’t even last the entire conversation. All of this being a product of his ADHD producing endless intrusive thoughts that Percy listened to due to being borderline suicidal, heavily depressed, and had his pride so bruised it barely existed. In the series he just seems bratty and disinterested, alongside having none of his actual positive traits. He learns about Thalia in the books and instantly becomes depressed about her death, in the show he basically spits on her memory by immediately insulting her fate.
Meanwhile, Annabeth was an anti-social mess that had extreme abandonment issues and near-sociopathic tendencies covering up layers of insecurity and pride with a complex to always be right and capable.
The key scenes to them bonding were Annabeth telling Percy about her father, the animal truck, and Annabeth offering up her life so Percy can rescue his mother from Hades. She lowers her guard in the train, finally looking at Percy as “Percy Jackson” instead of “the son of Poseidon”. In the truck, she finally let’s him into her heart, truely trusting someone for the first time since Luke, Thalia, and Grover. All of this culminating in her being willing to sacrifice herself for his mother, knowing that he truly loves his mom. In the show, she didn’t even enter the throne room.
The whole of the series their relationship getting closer was half the joy. Percy becoming the focal point of her ideal world. Percy being willing to fight a god just to go in the quest. Annabeth’s instability during the labyrinth coming from her fearing his death and jealousy of the women around him.
Hell, they even messed up the drool line. She says that they nice he leaves the infirmary and sits down with Mr. D, said to quash his growing ego at hoping to be congratulated for slaying the Minotaur.
So true!
It’s like… you were gonna win ANYWAY but we LOST because the characters lack ANY PERSONALITY WHATSOEVER
I'm so scared what's going to happen when Nico turns up in season 3...
there literally were only 1-3 scenes that were even remotely romantic in the first 1-2 books they don't really get too deeply explored until book 3 and even then it's not a confirmation of feelings it can be taken as two close friends who are worried about the other lol
You’re so right about the watered down characters. I just wish Annabeth was goofier - no fear of spiders, no crush on Luke, no geeking out over architecture. It’s like they stripped her of all personality in service of getting her as stoic as possible. And Percy is comically self-sacrificial, it’s like his first instinct is to martyr himself in any dangerous situation. And I know that he’s self-sacrificing in the book series, but come on, he’s not that extreme, he does have a survival instinct.
Grover’s character is close to perfect, though, he can keep doing what he’s doing.
And another thing - why has both adaptations insisted on separating them so much?? I get one-on-one character interactions are more dramatic, but what about group bonding :(
I agree on that front, Disney has this trend of making every female character either stoic or motherly. Though even Annabeth & luke set up as a brother sister duo still could of made her goofy without the crush. Annabeth know it all little sister figure who annoys Luke yes please!
Just one question. How is percy comically self sacrificial? Not arguing, just want to know.
What the did to Annabeth hurts and they wasted her actress's talent. And for what? Possible love?
@@Digdigi His first reaction to like any situation is to sacrifice himself even before evaluating other options. see the hephestus throne scene or the chimera scene, like he totally did not have to do that
@@RomanCzachor I agree with the throne scene but not the chimera one. I feel like chimera one mirrored the situation of Medusa.
As an avid fan of the books, I HATED the movie when it first came out. But once time had passed, I made the choice to watch it again. And going into it knowing not to expect a faithful adaptation, I was able to separate it from its source material and enjoy it as a fun stand alone piece of entertainment.
I hope the second season will take the constructive criticisms of fans to heart because the series has so much going for it.
Isn't that the same for the show? People went in expecting a perfect adaptation just bc the author was involved. Forgetting that, hey maybe after so many years, there's things he both should and wants to change. I didn't remember every detail and I thought it was fine.
I guess the biggest problem is, how could they fix it? I mean, beyond having to recast Zeus because the actor died. The problems are fundamental issues within the story itself, the frankly stupid things that have changed.
While Percy could see some strange things before the series began, they were blink and you miss, enough he could explain them away, which is how the mist works. Which is important because Percy’s scent becomes overwhelming the moment he realizes that monsters are real. The mist hiding the truth in the books doesn’t work in the show. Just for example, him seeing the monster plodding along in the middle of the road? Wouldn’t have worked in the book, because the mist should make it look like a car is driving down the center of the road. Alecto jumping Percy in the middle of the park makes no sense. She deliberately led him to a secluded place to kill him in the books.
Half the characters didn’t act anything like they did in the books, meaning several plot points can’t naturally occur anymore, of which several are key to the story’s progression. Hades, for example. In the books, he was heavily depressed, paranoid that his brothers were planning to trick him again, and rightfully pissed that someone stole his helm. In the show he’s friendly and welcoming. What the hell? Half the later plot is driven by the spite fueled depression him and Nico share. How the hell will any of the those plot points trigger when their fatal flaws get washed out? Ares is twitchy and stereotypical biker punk because he suffers from the modern image of war, which is why it’s so impactful when he stops behaving like a punk because they manage to find an artifact to bring Ares/Mars back to his ancient roots. Hell, even Gabe is messed up in the show. Never mind shitty scene changes like having Alecto show up at Medusa’s shop. What the #^%€ were they thinking.
That leads into scene details. Ares’ shield was in a bait, not displayed on a statue. The Underworld is depressing and dark, not wide open and well lit. So many scene changes that make no sense what’s so ever.
Then there is the weird ass casting choices. Hell, they didn’t even cast I don’t have any problems with the actors themselves, but they don’t fit the characters or how they would develop.
Remember that Chiron canonically pulled out swords while racing through the room and making all the answers on a multiple choice test B? Chiron’s voice In the show is so monotone and unexcitable that Percy would’ve never connected with him originally due to his ADHD. Never mind the weirdness that Chiron is from Ancient Greece, why would he be black?
Annabeth’s got the typical Mary Sue whitewashing that made her completely uninteresting as a character because she possesses none of the flaws Annabeth canonical had that made her interesting. Several of which drove key plot points that now can’t happen. Plus, again, she was a spitting image of her mother in the book. That was a key point several times, Athena’s ancient enemies going Banzai because they instantly recognized her. why is she black? Why does she not have grey eyes? Hell, if they made her brown haired but Greek descended, I would’ve applauded that, because it at least makes sense to make her look more like the goddess would’ve originally looked like. Instead, they black washed her.
So to actually fix the course of the show to be faithful, they’d need to do several recasts and retcons to fix all the messed up characters. They can’t do that, so they’d either have to bend over backwards to justify a bunch of tonal shift and retroactive justifications, which isn’t going to help the show, or try to ignore it, which is just going to produce a c tier show that won’t be remembered a year after it stops airing beyond people poking fun at it.
@@julianskilton200 literally most of the stuff you mentioned won’t (and doesn’t need to be) “fixed” other than some editing choices. It’s clear the changes in character were done intentionally to either put a new twist on them and bc it’s simply been 18 years and this is how they would have been written now or bc certain things are just harder to portray on screen and will need to be done so later.
Hades being friendly doesn’t mean he’s not depressed. Do you know how many depressed people hide behind a mask? We literally saw five minutes of him. They could easily work his issues and his relationship with Nico into this version but odds are there are going to be changes bc this is an adaptation. Adaptations focus on the overall picture. Not the tiny details. Those are bonuses, not guarantees.
Your claim that things don’t make sense is just bc they don’t fit what you know in the books or bc they weren’t exactly the same. They need to make sense in the narrative of the show, which so far, they do. There were plenty of things in the books that didn’t make sense either, which is why they had to change them.
Also Athena is going to be black. You can see her in the closing credits. And Gabe was very much a purposeful change bc they didn’t want to show physical abuse on screen and risk triggering people. Him bringing upon his own demise the way he did was actually perfect. Bc Sally didn’t need to learn to stand up to him and bc intentionally turning this Gabe to stone would have actually been pretty extreme.
@@Miyanoai14 If these are the “new twists”, they should not have done the changes. They’ve either become bland and two-note or become bad copies of other characters. Just comparing book and show scenes show incredibly bad characterization for the show. The claiming goes from a desperate bid of protection to someone offering Percy up for ego, the throne room goes from mounting unease and horror to weirdly tone deaf. The entire lotus casino scene is so different that comparing them is painful.
Also, got to say, trying to lecture a depressed person on how depressed people hide their feelings isn’t helping your point.
@@julianskilton200 Assuming that I'm not depressed or speaking from literal personal experience doesn't help your point either. You're apparently no different than those people who need victims to be portrayed in their perfect way.
It is bc of this that I don't try to nitpick every detail. Nothing is ever perfect so you can either take what they give you or try to make it yourself and figure out that there is a reason things turn out this way. Whatever you come up with, someone is going to think it's bland or makes no sense.
If you don't like it, simple. Don't watch it. But don't be one of the people whining for another adaption later.
Honestly I feel like the lightning thief musical does such a good job of matching the books chaotic energy, especially when it comes to Percy.
So true! And they put in so much story in a small amount of time
there’s a musical? 😭
@@El1society yeah, it’s really good and honestly just a lot of fun.
You can find the full production on UA-cam
I’m honestly so surprised you didn’t bring up how the trio were constantly “sacrificing” themselves for each other so often that the gesture just became meaningless. It definitely played into the feeling that the story carried no stakes for me because as soon as one of them would do that, the others would solve the issue minutes later. It was so ridiculous
yeah!! the first couple times had genuine emotional weight but at some points i was just waiting for them to reveal "oH tHeYrE fInE" so we could get on with the story
Yeah i brought that up to my sister who hadn't read the books like "yeah they arent supposed to be falling over each other trying to selflessly sacrifice themselves". Theyre actually pretty rough and crusty to each other and it takes time to trust each other
ISTFG
That sequence in episode 7 where it first looked like Annabeth was lost to Cerberus, then 5 minutes later she just sacrifices herself again in Asphodel made me wanna scream
Exactly this. It was the water park scene that really broke me. I just felt tired by it. Especially since, in the book, the real problem was a net weaved by a bunch of mechanical spiders. There was no brave self-sacrifice, but it felt like much more of a character building/bonding moment, since Annabeth and Percy had to solve a problem together AND Annabeth opened up about her fear of spiders. But in this show, Luke just says it in a flashback.
Right? Like annabeth always felt so cold to me in the first book and shows very little trust into late in the book and not until the next one, and as a daughter of Athena I feel like she would never sacrifice herself that easily
One of the things that really bothered me about the Gabe discourse is no one is talking about how the show never justifies Gabe's existence; it never tells why Sally married Gabe in the first place. As a book reader, we know Gabe smells so bad it cloaks Percy's demigod smell. That is what kept Percy safe for years. It is one of the biggest sacrifices Sally has made, marrying an abusive man to protect Percy. But even with the flashbacks with Sally, the show never reveals it. There isn't even any line about how smelly Gabe is. He is just there because, in the books, he was there, and then he is gone in the most goofy way. What was the point then? Sally getting rid of him on her own was also a critical moment, but for some reason, they decided to make it this uninteresting way for no reason I don't understand.
She should've just adopted a pet ferret, stinky creatures
Yeah, he's just kind if there and comes off as more goofy than mean. It such a huge turning point for Sally in the books. Not only is she getting out of an unhappy relationship, but she's choosing something for herself. She's accepting that Percy needs to grow up and face the stuff he's got to face. Not alone, she'll always be supporting him. But he needs more than just her support, and she's got to let him go and use that support.
If the books are allegorical of diagnosis, it's kind of her acceptance that he needs extra accommodations that she just can't provide, but there are people who can. And that Percy has to learn to live with his diagnosis and find where his own independence lies, even if at times that is a struggle.
It's a really beautiful moment and I'm sad they've done away with it.
Seriously... When Gabe got turned to stone in the book it was extremely cathartic to see a horrible person get their comeuppance. In the book, he was abusive, messy, and an all-around terrible guy. However, in the show, it's kind of sad because Sally essentially killed a guy whose worst crime (that we see at least) was being a little annoying.
@@acemaster1877 I mean she didn’t kill him, he killed himself by trying to steal their package.
I think it works… fine in the show. It’s framed more as a moment of black comedy where an annoying dumbass joke character dies because of his own stupidity. But it doesn’t have any of the same impact of the book.
Yes and also Sally is not supposed to argue back with Gabe the way she did in the series! she's supposed to pander to him, because she knows his smell will keep Percy safe.
Bruh, no, because I thought Hades was a damn servant or minor god or something when he came onto the scene. "You know who I am," he said, and I was like, no I don’t, because I refuse to believe you're the Lord of the Underworld.
Yep he seemed like he was Charon, wearing an Italian suit and not being threatening at all.
In the book, he was really threatening. I ain't going nowhere near a 10-foot tall man sitting on a throne made from human bones
Fuck that shit I'm out
It made me very sad to see what they did to Annabeth. They skipped around different parts of her character development. Her fears and passions were really lost. She really did seem like she was just inserted as the love interest. Especially when literally everyone else has that knowledge about what they’re facing and how to beat it. She doesn’t have that special wisdom that made her character
yess! and one of her insecurities was that she felt inadequate because she didn't have powers or the strength that Percy had, but what made her strong, was that she had her intelligence, cunning and wisdom. But like you said, what's the point of having that, if everyone else has it too?
@@avaline3720 exactly. Watching the show, I felt like every character was just a copy and paste of each other. Nobody really had anything that made them standout and be unique. Something I wish they put in this show was Annabeth kinda pushing herself into the quest because she had something to prove and she had ambition. In the show she was just picked, putting her in line with everyone else. And when she didn’t geek out over architecture at the arch it kinda bummed me out
In the books percy was actually in camp halfblood for 2 months and was pretty lonely after he got claimed, because he was ignored by everyone.
I'm pretty sure he was there for a few weeks before the Quest (until the summer solstice) and there for the remainder of the summer afterward.
yeah, of the few things that's always stayed in my brain from the books was him showing up to his empty dorm, because the kids are housed by their parentage, and there aren't any other kids of Poseidon.
Exactly and that’s why Poseidon sends Tyson to camp, so he has a brother and isn’t alone.
So people are just making up complete lies to trash on the series. That's... intetesting. As if the faithful adaption argument never actually mattered in the first place. People just want the show to be what they think it should be in their head while having forgotten most of the books themselves.
@@Edward-W no, they didn't idk how you got that from this comment, honestly, thus just makes you sound exactly like the idiots the video described. And yes, the people disappointed do have a right to be disappointed at a non-faithful adaptation because that's **exactly what Rick promised** the audience.
Rick Riordan really said “I can do it better” and proceeded to make the movies look like more of a fun time… oof
The movies legit feel like they have personality and style, the show on the other hand feels soulless and bland, like just a show made by committee rather than people that loved the books. I liked the show but it did feel mediocre
The movies are still crap imo. 2 things can be true😂
@@moona3206 True lol cheap can be fun too though!
@@moona3206the movies are fun, it’s not a good adaption but it’s got humour and suspende
@@grimgingrin830 I think they meant 'crap', not cheap, but in this case the crap is still more fun than the show. 😂
That casting choice for Hades is like casting jimmy Fallon as the shredder for a live action tmnt series.
Book Hades- A towering man in dark regal garb, sitting on A THRONE OF BONES. Imposing voice & speech pattern. Don’t Cross me!
Show Hades- Easily ignorable. I’d mistake him for a butler if the writing didn’t TELL me he was Hades.
Omg yes. He even came in and I was like, is that the butler? who is this dude? 😂
He might as well have been Nico's ghost chauffeur than the literal ruler of the Underworld.
In regard to the Lotus Casino, reminder that IT'S LITERALLY DISNEY!!! The show is owned by Disney, who owns SO MUCH ENTERTAINMENT PROPERTY!!! And they couldn't splurge for the kids to have any fun? How much would it have cost to send a film crew and the kids to one of the parks after dark, and film them on a few rides, really? The extent of being pulled into the trap is wandering around a couple slot machines and card tables, with a VR area that Grover ends up in by the end? Where's the indoor waterpark, the monsters walking next to regular people, the dazzle and glitz and glam and wonder?
Where is the fun?
That was the most confusing aspect of the show - How is Disneu so... dull, gray, and boring?? Like, we've seen that across its live action remakes too... it's so disconcordantly confusing!
@@JC_Cali It's because dull, gray, and boring is cheap, and Disney hasn't taken a risk since Treasure Planet and Atlantis came out. Why do you think every Marvel Movie feels the same? And every remake does so little different?
@@MorningDusk7734 but also the budget of each episode was like 5 million dollars??? so it has the budget to be good, so what are tehy being cheap for?
@@ashleywu894 I'm pretty sure the budget per episode is like 15 million💀
@@ashleywu894 as commenter above me stated, it is 15 million per episode, which is why a lot of people think it is just a money laundering scheme
Out of all the squandered potential, I'm most disappointed by the portrayal of Sally and Gabe's relationship. In the books and first movie, it was made clear that she only married him to protect Percy, and that she'd sacrificed a lot for his sake. Gabe even hit Sally in the books, yet she stayed anyway, out of love for her son. Here, it's like he's an idiot roommate who is constantly bossed about, instead of the fearsome husband and stepfather.
Well Rick Riordan has stated, and we can agree or disagree with the choice, that they toned Gabe down on purpose because it's a lot more brutal to see abuse on screen than read on paper, its impact, and it would've affected the tone of the show.
I was also very disappointed that he was toned down, I feel like there could've been a better work-around for this.
I think the problem with toning down Gabe's abuse is that his death at the end might look too harsh of a punishment in the eyes of someone who hasnt read the books. I think they didnt need to show him hitting Sally, but maybe show her bruises at some point to imply what happened? I dont know, but that would definitely show how much she sacrifices herself for Percy
@@lokalcrow1470In the movie, you got a sense that Gabe was a bad husband even without him hitting Sally, so it seems odd to tone it down even further than that. Even just having him slam a fridge and Sally flinching from the loud sound or having her show a change in her tone of voice when he walks into the room could tell us all we need to know about their dynamic.
Yessss
@@lokalcrow1470Thats a super weak response from Rick imo. More likely is there was some interference from Disney telling them to not have any abuse dynamics on the show, that’s more believable to me
As an avid Percy Jackaon fan - all the TV show did was make me wish I was reading the books instead.
go read the books..
Same. I just read the lightning thief for the first time before watching the show, so I was constantly cataloguing all the differences in my mind. Like how could they leave out the spiders at the water park 😭 and even pointless changes too like Hephaestus randomly being there
@@katgreer6113missed his point
@@katgreer6113whoosh
So glad you brought up Annabeth’s bad writing! I feel like a lot of people have focused a lot on the stripping of Percy’s humour and general unhingedness, but the fact that ANNABETH is SO FLAT in the writing is just as bad.
I feel like the writers completely misunderstood her character and her personality? She is just as unhinged as Perseus, she’s just methodological and calculated about it. Where is her sass? Her obvious irritability at everything he says and his clapbacks? Especially book 1 Annabeth my god. Also the lack of “I’m supposed hate you because our parents are rivals” early on in the show is massive oversight, but?
Justice for petty Annabeth amen.
I hate when actors are clearly perfect for a role outside of filming but the writers and directors *don't use any of that*
Same thing happened with Henry Cavil and Superman!
the witcher series
Bruh moment lol. Except Ryan rendalds with dead pool he nailed it
Reminds me of Brie Larson and Capt Marvel. Like Brie can actually be a great actress in Lessons in chemistry but as Capt marvel they barely give her something to work with
The cast of IT Chapter 2 is perfect,I will be forever mad about how terrible that movie turned out to be!
@@Adoniss99Ah yes deadpool the guy who makes dick jokes every 5 seconds
This season did with Percy’ character what the Harry Potter movies did with Ron’s character. Picked out all of their coolest moments and then said “yea, let’s just /not/ have them”
Ron's moments were given to Hermoine.
@@Simon200o Yea, I meant, not have them be Ron's
Oh my god you’re right
@@Simon200o Fr
The actor Jason they casted for Dionysus is a comedic actor and I’ve seen him be genuinely hilarious and he often plays characters that are weird yet lovable , so that casting made sense, but again the writing just squashed it’s good casting potential.
I wasn’t aware of how intense the fandom can get, so after episode 3 I made a comment about how I found the show stiff, rushed, and boring - but still wanting to see the season through. Immediately I got called slow and illiterate (apparently this is because I haven’t read the books?). I was so flabbergasted and it put me off watching the show for some time tbh - and I was so excited too, had made plans to read the books and everything.
As a book fan, I hate this show as well, but respect other people’s opinions. The people who insulted you are fake fans
@@gtdc4685 Thankyou so much! Ofcourse I am aware that there are bad people and good people in every fandoms, I guess I was so perplexed because I had tried to politely expressed my opinion but got really unwarranted aggression in response. I hope season 2 improves and everyone in the discussions can be civil like yourself. Have a great day!
@@melodykim5865 👍
Percy felt more like a child of Athena than annabeth because of how much he knew
Foreshadowing plot twist.
What are you talking about? He barelly figured out who Medusa was.
@@ggt47 Alabama couple incoming?
in the books even annabeth herself admits that percy is actually super intelligent so
@@illuminaticonfirmed1389In like the 4th or 5th book. Not the first one where percy isn't as intelligent as he becomes.
i found it kinda weird that percy's adhd and dyslexia were barely present, rick started this story for his son who has these conditions and loved hearing stories about greek mythology, the show could have been some cool representation for it
rightt, the movies had better representation of that too
Typical Disney move. Don’t want to be seen as ableism no no no.
It's odd because it almost feels symbolic that Rick might've forgotten where Percy Jackson came from, and so now we're watching how he goes about writing stories. With the catch that he's working with a new medium to boot-that certainly doesn't help.
"It's a kid's show" Yeah. It's a kid's book too., didn't stop it from being a smash hit
The other key thing that needs to be kept in mind is that these actors are kids. They may have amazing personalities IRL but they don't have enough agency with the showrunners or directors to let their personality show through. If the director or script calls for them to be a certain way, they will follow suit & act in the way expected of them. Showrunners like the Duffer Brothers who notoriously respect the child actors & give them agency in their story are rare. Most showrunners & directors just expect child actors to perform the way they want them to. This is likely what happened in this show.
Yeah i thought about this too.. but its a really big shame because Walter is such a good actor! For me he carried the "Adam Project" movie and in all bts material for the show you can see how ambitios he is about playing Percy its just sad that he is reduced to nodding his head and seriously brooding into the camera due to bad writing etc. when he'd be able to pull of so much more!
Percy Jackson being watered down in this show is so ironic because he's the son of FUCKING POSEIDON
LMAO
4:17 a real big problem... if you dislike something, you still should be able to see the good parts about it. And if you love something you should still be able to criticize it.
Exactly. I mean I like this show but I will also be the first to admit that there are things about it that I have issues with.
yes, I think that the movies failure set expectations to be higher for the show, leading people to focus on the smaller problems, instead of the big things they did correct compared to the movie
@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 same here!
As a thinking exercise, throw criticisms left and right at what you love. Plot holes, character inconsistencies, bad dialogue, lack of chemistry, whatever you can think of.
All that is important, and if you can justify which criticisms are valid on an objective level, you can come out on the other side with an even stronger appreciation for whatever it is you love.
@@amberhernandez No one can point out the flaws in a piece of media quite like its own fans.
I would absolutely love the Percy Jackson series in a more episodic, longer format kind of like ATLA. It would allow for much smoother character development and tension buildup.
The biggest missed opportunity is having a WWE star and not having them bodyslam/throw around Percy Jackson
Saying that Percy was "watered down" is the saddest irony ever
the "it's for kids" thing makes even less sense when u consider the books were also made for kids 😭
The Incredibles. That’s all I have to say
I love how the people saying it's for kids aren't kids
The author having the audacity to publicly shat on the 2010 film for 14 years straight just for the show to be objectively worse in all aspects.....? Like HUH?!
well not “all” aspects. Its slightly more accurate storyline wise.
In ALL aspects, nah, but there are some things the movie did do better
Also can we just talk about how physically dark some of these scenes are? Like the scenes in Medusa's basement and in Hades are so dark that you can barely see anything
Legit had to brighten my TV
i literally closed all curtains, turned off the lights, and increased my screen brightness and yet i still couldnt tell what was going on during the medusa scene.
they did that cause they knew the CGI would look bad so they darkened it until you could barely see a thing
The Luke reveal scene omg 😭
@@atlantisundiscovered this entire show screams "we didnt have much cgi budget so we cut all the scenes that would use it"
1:05:00 imagine if in Prisoner of Azkaban instead of seeing Harry find his inner strength and cast his Patronus to drive away the Dementors it just cut to the hospital wing and he's telling Ron "well I figured out it was me all along and cast a Patronus"
Imagine if in Prisoner of Azkaban, as soon as he gets the Marauder's Map, Harry realises that Scabbers is Peter Pettigrew. But wait - before that, when Harry ran away from home, Sirius Black had approached him in human form and they just had a nice chat laying it all out, so Harry actually knows everything! He traps Scabbers in a cage, turns him in to the authorities and voila! the entire plot is over! 👏
this made me laugh out loud 😭 that’s brilliant 😭😭😭😂🩷
Stop, it hurts D:
ong it rips all intrigue away
For me i was disappointed as soon as we entered camp half blood, bciz in the book it felt like entering a whole different world and so many new things which percy didn't even knew or imagined but in show it felt like going to a new school where your classmates parent's are greek gods and maybe yours too
The 'trust uncle rick' people are the same ones who skip jason and piper chapters in heroes of olympus im so confused 😭
Do you not too? at least the Piper ones, those suck. I do still agree with you're point, that's pretty funny
@@ianbrudnakvoss3126 oh i do, but i also know rick riordan isnt an infallible god
He def dropped the ball in hoo
@@rafaelt8589 He dropped the ball with 1.5 characters, not the whole series, I liked-to-loved just about every other character new or established. Unless we're talking the very end, cuz I can't think of single part of those last chapters I felt remotely satisfied by other than Reyna and Leo's respective last one
@@ianbrudnakvoss3126 i genuinely didnt like any single part of the last book of hoo, that's why i say he dropped the ball. All the other entries were fire tho
@@rafaelt8589 dang really? none of it? I don't really get that, especially if you loved the other ones.
Here's my hot take: I won't rewatch the show, it's boring. I will occasionally rewatch the first movie
Havent seen the show but based on this it looks significantly worse.
@@williamtimonen6814 Same. The clips of the exposition dumps in the video were hard to watch. The actors were doing their best, but real people don't talk in paragraphs. Also what is the point of watching or even reading something that just synopsises itself rather than actually crafting a narrative?
I will gladly rewatch the first movie and even bored watch the second. I will never watch past the first episode of this show.
@@Safiyahalishah well don`t just take the video`s word for it then.
AGREED
I feel so heard by this video 😭 every time I try to point out any criticism I’m called a fake fan or I’ve never read the books (I have read the books, I was near catatonic in excitement when this show was announced). Which is why it hurts so much as to how utterly disappointed I am by this adaptation. I didn’t like the movies, yes, but it was at least FUN TO WATCH. this show was so boring I didn’t even finish the last episode
Disney were stingy with episode count but it was Riordan who lost his mojo.
So in the book, the casino is a twist that we’re shown along with the characters. But in the show, we're told about it and not allowed to see the twist for ourselves. Isn't that the opposite of how book/movies handle plot development?
Weeks later and I'm still baffled that this is the ONE THING the movie did better than the show 😢
Removing the twist also removes Percy's wits and intelligence
I was disappointed with the spiders being taken out not because it’s not like the book but because it’s a great way to force Annabeth to be vulnerable. And I don’t just mean emotionally, like in the book Percy has to suddenly make all the decisions to save *them both* because she’s literally not responding
Also the spider issue is quite literally something EXTREMELY important in Heroes of Olympus: Mark of Athena. To remove it outright also inherently removes some of the conflict with Arachne.
To be fair, they really wanted to do the spider thing but when they tried it with the cgi it looked horrible so they had to scrap it. Uncle Rick said so on Twitter
@@HannahBananabreadpudding but they didn’t replace it with something that developed the character in a similar way. They could have done the scene with like five big spiders instead. Or had something where annabeth had to depend on Percy and Percy had to learn to trust himself in that situation
In today's media you can't make a girl look weak or scared, especially a girl boss like Annabeth. Which is so stupid
Women can’t look weak in today’s entertainment. Girl boss is rampant in Hollywood.
oh dear they didn’t give those actors a chance with that level of expository dialogue
I'm so glad I found this video because PJ twitter has been all "this show is way better than the books" and if you say you don't like it, they say you're racist. Like my brother in christ, I hate the script Leah was given, not her. It felt very bland. As a PJ fan (I've read the books a lot of times, one of those times this year), the movie was more fun than the show (the only part I genuinely enjoyed on the tv show was Ares being a hater on twitter, that's kinda on brand and Grover trying to play detective) but otherwise, they knew everything, they had everything handed over on a plate to them, they started pushing Percabeth too soon - like Annabeth's crush on Luke is supposed to be a big thing for her character. The books are fun because they actually need to think and grow.
I understand liking the show, but "better than the books"?
Thank you for bringing up how watered down Annabeth's devotion to Luke was! And you can instantly tell its in favor to push the Percabeth storyline, which doesnt even really start hitting till book THREE.
Annabeth has such a debilitating infatuation with Luke in the beginning of the story, and its our first glimpse into seeing variety in her personality. And its the reason why she continues to have faith in him despite the terrible things he does in the rest of the series.
I cringed SO hard at the Iris message scene. "Since when did you two start arguing like a married couple" 🥴
Not only did Annabeth suffer for Percabeth, so did Grover, who got significantly sidelined AGAIN
Why do they do Grover dirty every time?
it feels very fanservicy, like they know fans like percy and annabeths relationship so they leaned super hard into it.
@@sidiwvwhi exactly and it just wasn't good, too much percabeth not enough plot
@@sidiwvwhi which is especially frustrating because it was good because of how slow it was, the fan service hurts the fan service!
Percy and Annabeth slowly falling in love as they grew up was one of the best things about their relationship.
What disappointed me was the camp halfblood scenes. In the movies, it felt like a training ground AND a summer camp simultaneously. The tv version felt like little kids in costumes fighting in the woods😂
at least the movie one more realistic @@elkq0
@@elkq0 yea 😂😂 im the books it feels more like a community you know?
And Clarisse was literally not intimidating at all, she had no physcial presence and was just a normal skinny girl. I'm pretty sure shes supposed to be built like a truck
@@feliciaroyers1646 Dior Goodjohn did actually buff out for the role, it is difficult to ask a teen for the kind of physique in the books, at least show Clarisse looks strong
i dare one of those screeching pj tiktok stans to scream at my grown ass for thinking their show was mid. critical thinking is so lost on these people (and stans in general) no matter what the media. like babes... yes, you can critique kids media! if anything, you should scrutinize kids media more to make sure the babies aren't being fed empty slop that insults their intelligence
The "Community" section where you disassembled all the completely irrational defenses of the online fandom that refused to acknowledge any valid criticism was such a breath of fresh air. I waited what felt like forever to have in-depth critiques like this come out because I truly felt gaslit (lol) by the internet fans claiming everything about the show was perfect because of x, y, z when there were so many glaring problems
An animated adaptation is what we SHOULD’VE got.
Yeah, me too.
Agreed as this show, when executed in live-action, is visually dull, uninspiring, bland, and boring.
It just has the same things people hate about the Disney live-action remakes in terms of visuals.
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my biggest problem with this show is how much dull and lifeless it is. i think after the movies, they tried really hard to make the series follow the books sentence by sentence but forgot about the most important part, which was it being SO much fun. especially percy's parts. percy is literally the funniest character for me. but in the series they made him this boring emo kid (which is something they do with every remake/adaptation's main character in recent years). in my opinion the series should've been a animated series which would capture the silliness and fun of the books perfectly.
The show seems to completely lack the same mid 2000's campiness that the books had. Credit to the the Thief movie, I think it did a better job of being campy like the books.
@@theimpersonator7086 i agree 😭😭😭 series tried to outdone the movies by being more accurate to books but fails at being more cheesy, campy and fun
It didn't follow the book sentence by sentence they skipped a lot of stuff and changed things.
@@theimpersonator7086despite the movie being funny, it still has no soul on the source material.
I wasn't opposed to showing Percy being more emo, at least in the beginning, because he's been through a lot as is and that's why he's so snarky, but they really needed to balance it with more humor and more sass to show that he's still a fun character, you know? We can have emo Percy AND Persassy - c'mon Disney!
"It's for kids" my ass 😂 lmao if this was supposed to be a kids show it would be one of the most boring kids shows I've ever seen. I don't think there's a single kid that I know that wouldn't find this show boring af
I quit at the Medusa episode. It felt like a different story being told. Several big reveals were removed. Ms Dobbs revealing herself at the museum, seemed to be taken away. They took away Percy’s big reveal during his fight with Clarice. Originally in the book, Percy gets beat up by Clarice then he finds himself in the water, and he gets re-energize, and then using that power beats Clarice. But in this one, he was already good at fighting, and then Annabel just magically figured it out and pushed him into the water. The Medusa reveal was ruined in seconds. “Don’t look it’s Medusa”
I quit on the same episode.
"he was just chilling in New York, having adhd and shit"
that's my day to day life summed up in a single sentence
Word. Literally just me. Living in nyc with enough adhd to make a grown man cry.
The best example of Percy being watered down is the scene where he is revealed as the son of Poseidon nd literally no one cares or even is shocked contrast to the book how everyone literally started to treat him like a different person showing him massive respect .
Exactly I was so disappointed when no one kneeled when he was claimed either. In the book it was so dramatic. Also after he’s claimed in the books everyone at camp is afraid of him and it’s like he doesn’t fit in again, which was missed in the show. That part of it highlights how bad and important being a child of the big three is without just exposition dumping again.
@@nat1346 i was waiting for chiron to announce "Son of Poseidon, God of the Sea" and everybody to bow down. none of these things happened in the show
Not to mention Annabeth only had the restroom scene in the show to figure out his parentage. In the books she gets the restroom scene, sees him fighting very well and healing after getting in the water, asks him to get out and sees how weak he gets. After being attacked by the hellhounds he goes back in the water and heals, that's when it completely sinks in for her.
You don't just go around assuming one of the Big 3 broke their vital promise because a demigod did a toilet thingy.
Fr, Same happen to Jason when he arrived CHB in TLH
I think this is style of adaptation is largely driven by the “book better than the movie” mantra a lot of people espouse, leading authors to think it’s the same skillset. Being able to write something which the readers mind can imagine is different than writing lines in a movie. It’s, as you point out, why “show don’t tell” is a thing.
I feel like Rick underestimates his audience. We don't want the characters to know every plot point and danger and monster, THEY ARE 12. it's okay to. let your audience be confused and give them time to figure it out and it makes the show even stronger. Instead, we have characters that feel like they read the book beforehand and are playing it out for fun.
What I love about your channel is that you take an actual analytical lens towards everything you’re reviewing. It’s not just the blind rage of being a part of a fandom and shooting any negativity down. And as a big fan of Percy Jackson (I’ve read all of the branching series up until mid way thru Apollo trials) your take is HIGHLY appreciated!!
The show is definitely rough around the edges and should have been finessed more with how much Rick Riordan was involved. But it does have a lot of potential!
Agreed!
indeed! and i also think it has a lot of potential, the 2nd season could fix everything that was bad and be very good or be a downfall with no return.
The bar is pretty LOW. The show can only go UP (hopefully)
@@lorenzozinco9664 yeah like on the floor low, we can on pray that Disney actually takes the criticism into account and does this series the justice it deserves
you know the show fucked up when book fans are saying that the movie was better in terms of entertainment... THE BOOK FANS! WHO FAMOUSLY HATED THE MOVIES!!!
As crazy as it is, I still loved those movies even as a book fan.
@@joshhulst3929same they were fun lol
i think the show was better as an adaptation, but the movies were better as, well, movies
I think the first film is at least fun in some parts, prefer it to this show frankly. Second film is horrible either way.
Its just cuz of nostalgia as someone who hasn’t read the books the show was great
Rick Riordan involves closely with this one, so I expected it to be better than the movie, but man, it’s sad that it’s worse than the movie.
It's really funny to me when people consider Rick Riordan as an infallible god who could never disappoint, because I think I was like that when I was 14, and then I read The Blood of Olympus and discovered the concept of crushing disappointment from an author for the first time lmao. Don't want to start THAT discourse again though 💀
What was so bad about Blood of Olympus?
If you don't mind me asking.
@@NaquanGreen-zt4grlol bro d9n't you read it 😂 I can write whole essay about it 😂
Every Single Book he wrot after HoH failed horribly
Fax, I agree
The Disney formula destroyed this show, should have gone with hbo or even better, an animated adaptation
THIS
exactly
Yes.
This is so real. I love the actors, the story, but why Disney? Eugh
I would have loved an animated adaptation soo much