I was WRONG about this BASIC Motorcycle Technique
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- I ALWAYS trail brake hard when I'm on track. I used to tell you guys to not do it on street because I falsely believed it was "too aggressive". But trail braking is the right thing to do on the street. You should practice and do it.
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00:00 Intro
01:28 About Trail Braking
05:19 How to Properly Trail Brake
07:07 Conclusion
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I ALWAYS trail brake hard when I'm on track. I used to tell you guys to not do it on street because I falsely believed it was "too aggressive". But trail braking is the right thing to do on the street. You should practice and do it.
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Thank you.
So so so few people would be honest and realised they made a mistake fewer would even admit that they did it and make a correction video.
I was always curious why you said no trail braking it's a common practice here in nz.
Speaking of nz if you ever get a chance take a month or two and tour new zealand you'd love our roads apart from the middle of the south island lol
Don’t usually trail break on the street but it has definitely saved my ass a handful of times
Plenty kms on me ,,,this was brilliant noob .......
🐔Seriously well played son
We used to agree on this Noob. What made you change your mind, I wonder ? Because as an avid trackrider and trailbraker obviously, on public roads too, I don't think it's something that everyone should be doing. It's setting people up to enter corners too fast and overconfident as "trailbraking will save me just in case...".
Mad respect for the willingness to publicly correct yourself, thanks for making us safer everyday noobs. As a newish rider I can definitely tell you that your content has been very helpful.
Please add more technical content like this. Maybe adjusting suspension, rear brake usage, how and what carrying more speed in the corners with a smaller bike on track is about
The demonstration did more for my understanding of what "trail breaking" means than half a dozen people trying to explain it to me.
I left a critical comment a few days ago, so I want to leave a positive one here. This was great. I appreciated the teaching, and huge props to anyone comfortable with admitting when they made a mistake or have learned something better. Seems like yammies happy to be out on a track. Great content.
Trail braking is a tool in you motorcycle riding skills toolbox. You don't HAVE to use it all the time, but it will benefit you in many situations, like going through blind corners or on a unfamiliar road etc...
Trailbraking into an unfamiliar blind corner ?
That sounds like a great strategy.... 🤦♂️
@@literal_lee i believe the idea is thst you are less likely to lose control from a panic braking situation
@@StalaVII You can avoid a panic brake situation by setting your speed before the corner. I choose 'avoid'. You ?
@@literal_lee I think you don‘t understand the concept of trailbraking. It doesn‘t mean that you have to go fast. You can trailbrake at the very speed which you choose going through turns right now. The only benefit is, that you slow down until seeing the exit of the turn and you keep the front loaded meaning you can slow down faster if something unexpected happens. Trailbraking does not equal going fast :)
@@knils I understand the concept of trailbraking very well, thank you. It's purpose is to shift your braking point further into the corner, in order to maintain speed for longer and thus reduce laptimes. It's purpose is not to save you in a panic brake situation.
Well ? 😊 Did I pass ? 🥳
As a new rider, my first year I was horrible at cornering with the trail breaking, slow and sloppy, I am better this year and can see my improvement, that's what I like about having a motorcycle, it's something that I can always work on and get better at, thanks for helping me grow in my skills big papa yams!!
Yammie Noob good on you for publicly eating crow and getting the facts out there. We could use a lot more of that in this day and age. Thanks for the great lesson on how to properly trail brake and why. I am 71 with 20 years of ridding under my belt and this is some thing I am just learning about even at the slow pace that I now ride.
One thing I heard about riding is you never want to surprise the bike. Meaning sudden changes often lead to problems. So suddenly releasing the brake is a great example.
I find trail breaking very useful in street riding not because it allows me to push myself into corners even faster, but because it's just another tool to control the speed and direction of the bike while cornering. It just gives me more options to deal with unexpected stuff.
Same here.
So glad to see you teaching proper technique. Defense skills are a must to stay alive. Next vid.... how to avoid an Elk around the next corner!!! Keep it up! Busa in Montana!
This is so awesome. I hope everybody pays attention. I’ve given up the track a couple years ago but had 800 laps of track time between three tracks. Loading the tire smoothly like this is so important.
I use trail breaking all the time, even if not riding aggressively.
same I always engage that 5% so that I can feel my tires...
@@bebeKoRider If you trail brake going into a curve if you have to slow more you are less likely to wash out the front tire
Now the real question is do you trail brake to the apex of the turn. That’s one thing that I realized on my last track day. I wasn’t trail braking into the apex.
@@EnoelHidalgo From what I understand, yes. Smooth brake before the turn, trail off the brake to the apex, coast for a second/slow throttle, accelerate to straighten out
I try to tell my loved ones this all the time when I hear about motorcycle accidents. Thank you for throwing that in there about single vehicle accidents. Awareness is always at the forefront of my mind when riding. Be safe
I took the YCRS course back in May. Beat riding improvement I have ever had! For street or track the class improves your riding better than anything else!
Great video mate
Big ups for admitting you were wrong.
Love your channel
I've returned to riding after many years off & was mainly off road riding.
Went with the Triumph Trident 660 & loving it.
Keep up the great work.
Cheers
I use trail breaking to plant the front tire all the time on the street and definitely in the canyon. Great to see the Noob trandsend to a Barney
After riding like this on the track I started trail braking in my everyday riding, and have never looked back. It did take a bit to learn, but am very appreciative to have the skill now. It is very helpful for unexpected twisty roads and more rounded traffic light turns.
I do appreciate Yam also saying that he was wrong, and following up with the right thing to do. That is some humble pie right there.
We all learned this years ago from Yamaha Champ School videos on UA-cam. Glad you finally learned from them. Trail braking is awesome. Even works on cruisers.
On more than one occasion I have called you out for being wrong, now I owe you big respect, to come onto this media and admit that you were wrong takes some balls, well done Yam.
Thanks! Good video. Right in line with the track day riding coaching that I've had. Great Channel, I really enjoy your content
Even if you can't afford or make it out to one of their track events, their online classes are a very good resource.
The best 50 dollars I have spent in my life has been on the Yamaha Champion online school. Worth every penny.
I really respect and appreciate how you care for the well being of motorcycle community!!! Great video!
That was fantastic!!! Thanks for sharing!
This is cool cause I’m practicing to trail break rn so nice to have more perspective on what I’m actually doing!
Yammie ,thanks for another great video and you made it so easy to understand. I live in England the weather is snow and ice and about -2C. I have only in the last two or three months gained my full motorcycle license, which in England is called a class A that means you can ride any cc motorbike. I really want to get out on my bike, but I am going to have to wait dute to the adverse weather conditions. Keep the videos coming mate I enjoy them.
Haha, you and me both. Essex boy and brand new rider stuck in because of the ice!
Thanks for doing this video.
Great and simple video!
I did enjoy that video. Thank you.
trail braking is another name for using brakes correctly -
That car analogy was a perfect way to describe this. Something I don’t even think about, but naturally do in a car.
Bro this works like a gem thanks yammer bub!🔥👍🏽
Interesting info. I do this often in my vehicle but never thought to apply it this way.
Well he's definitely correct about the way it gets explained. Thank you. This has been the most helpful information I personally in recently retained for corner breaking methods in trail. braking
this is a good video that all riders can learn from, more content like this please
This is probably my fav vid I've seen from you so far. Thanks Yammie
What I have just learned is that I can (and should) practise TB in a straight line. Thanks!
Great vid very informative
Very interesting, thanks for the tip and for the video...
very good informative video . thanks
awesome explanation. 👌
First thing I've learned on this channel is a long time. Very informative video
Hah! Of all the videos I've seen on the subject, *this* is the one made me understand trail braking.
I'm starting to ride again after over ten years away from motorcycles, so I need all the great advice and technique demos i can get.
Thanks and Cheers!
Hey, thanks a lot and you are right it is advanced, but yes I will practice. Thanks.
Dang Yammie, you've messed me up this whole time!
I think the biggest issue with trail-braking is suspension stability. If you are trailing the front brake somewhat holding the fork compression, when you have to make a significant increase in braking due to an unanticipated change in conditions, the upset to the suspension and tire load will be a lot less. That gives the rider so much more control.
I always practice "chauffer stops" when approaching a light to practice smoother stops. Had no idea that was also considered trail braking. I thought trail braking was only done through a corner. I also didn't realize that you could wash out the front with both underloaded and overloaded. Great stuff!
this was EXTRODINARLY important! thanks - it is finally making sense
Thanks for the video, I'll give it a go.
Great video guys.
I like your new videos.... this one can be a life saver!
Damn these dudes have so much to teach. Love champ school
I like and respect this Yammie.
Hey Yamie Noob, I rode a street 2-stroke for many years, going into a corner you must trail brake, no engine breaking!!👍✌
That was really good explanation
I didn't bother looking up what trail braking was because yamie said it was advanced. Now I realize I was trail braking two weeks into my permit.
Great video.
One of your best vids.
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Great technique👍
My personal additions regarding trail braking. Absolutely correct that it should always be done. But it can be overdone too. The majority of my track get offs were done on the front brake. Too much brake for the lean angle I was carrying. That’s how you learn the limits of trail braking, unfortunately. With that experience, having good sense of that limit, your margin of error on the street expands significantly. How many times have I been lightly trail braking into a corner only to find something unexpected, grab more front brake, sharpen my turn, avoid the issue. Or vice versa. Command of this technique might be the single most important aspect of riding a motorcycle. It’s how I judge how hard I’m going. Am I at 50%, 80%, 98%??? I know by how hard, how much, I’m trail braking. No matter how light or how hard, you should be trail braking to the apex of every corner. Equally as important, be smooth. If you don’t feel smooth, try applying less brake earlier in your corner setup. Get the suspension set before entering the turn. Your confidence will go up 10 fold.
It's quite fascinating to see that the majority of riders in here are "breaking" instead of "braking".... 😏
It can be very tiring when riding. So a break is needed lol 😜
Trail braking seemed natural since I started riding. But In a clear corner i.e.(track, highway etc) I prefer to load the back (not the front) using the Keith Code method.
That's the best explanation that I've heard.
That sounds like a better and new definition about trail braking.
I use that when driving a car , I release the brakes just as I'm hitting a speed bump , makes it way smoother
Are those your bikes? Thanks for this video it really explained trail braking to me can't wait for spring here in New England
Awesome! Now I can get extreme on my 150cc cargo bike.
Kudos!
Even bikes with linked brakes, even Can Am Spyders, will trail brake beautifully. The Spyders can actually accelerate through the turn while trail braking which is a total game changer in the mountain curves and twisties.
kudos for changing your stance and owning it.
I've been doing this since I started driving without knowing it every time I approach a red/stop sign. I let off the brake slow and smooth all the way to the stop so no one in the car gets jerked forward when you stop. Butter smooth suspension in any car. So I guess this would be doing that to slow down to a non-zero speed before coasting for a second and accelerating to straighten out. Good to know
Informative.
I didn't know trail braking could be exercised on straight line! I'm doing it from now on!!
He wasn't demonstrating trail braking, but just showing the initial application and final release of the brake. This is easier to see during upright braking. As Chris mentioned, trail braking is the reduction in braking during increased lean angle. This might take seconds to occur as opposed to milliseconds for the final release of the brakes. YCRS has a video course explaining this, and Nick Ienatsch has written a wonderful book about sport riding that also discusses this. These techniques make for much safer, faster, and enjoyable riding. It's sad that the MSF refuses to teach trail braking as they think it is an advanced technique.
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Nice instruction, I see it as applying steady pressure to compress your front suspension that puts more load on the tyre, applying it too fast is a recipe for losing the front, on a straight or in a corner. Then, keep the suspension compressed until you can accelerate or need less front grip, is that right?
It's probably not from riding big trail bikes with long travel suspension but I like to think it is.
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I thought this looked like Vegas mountains behind you haha. I literally live 10 min from there, wish i could’ve watched this in person🔥
Dam he explained he better than anyone on UA-cam. I understand now when he talked about we naturally do it driving a car.
Road surfaces in UK are so poor these days, I’d be careful about trail braking or even leaning the bike over steeply on corners. Brake hard before the corner.
One thing you got wrong there is your opinion about msf course teaching never use brakes in the turn. MSF course is called CMSP( California Motorcycle Safety Program) now. They offer 4 levels of classes which are beginner, intermediate, advanced lvl1 and advanced lvl 2. Only time they say never brake in the turn is in beginner course. Once you take higher level course they start teaching about trail braking and stuff. They will even teach you how to adjust your suspension in advanced level. Try teaching trail braking to complete newbie on a motorcycle. Additionally its only 2 days course. Therefore, it is hard to include everything because motorcycling is a life long learning journey.
So in beginner class CMSP focuses on vision, AKA head turn, to make sure everyone is looking through the turn as well as adjusting speed prior to corner entrance. Also they include some cornering body position techniques.
PS: Just wanted to clear this out because I been watching your videos for about 2-3 years now and noticed that you mentioned this handful of times. Peace
Trail braking is fun..
Smooth is fast, fast is smooth.
At my advanced age I’m not aggressively tipping into corners anymore, not that I ever was a cornering maniac …but in my mind even at my slow speeds (or at my limits) I’ve always sort of trail braked ..it’s a good common sense practice for so many reasons imo …one of which it helps you learn not to panic brake when you misjudge a corner or if a sudden obstacle pops up in a corner …..
I never trail braked ever before I did champ school. I was taught to get all the braking done in a straight line (1989 is when I first got a bike). Since doing champ school and learning how to correctly trail brake on the track, it becomes second nature to do it all the time even on the street. It shouldn’t be something you leave in the toolbox for when you are gong fast. You can trail brake easily with just 10% brake pressure, and believe me it makes for a way better riding experience. Once you do it you will find you don’t even think about it. Smooth first 5%, brake as much as needed as aggressively as needed, trail off and smooth last 5% before you completely release. On the street you may well find after doing this that you have over slowed for a corner. But that’s a good thing, not a bad thing on the street :)
I like breaking trail sometimes on my dual sport.
Motorcross. Bailey school calls it feathering the brakes. Which your holding the front suspension compressed
in twist of the wrist book rear brakes is not used.. only front brakes for trail braking.... on a daily ride i always try to use both only on a straightline braking then release the rear to further trail with the front brakes.. but most of the time i dont feel the need further trail on turn with the front coz using both rear and front really slows you down quicker for a safer turn... i dont do trackdays....
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When asked about how it works out in normal road riding he didn't answer that question at all but went on about track days and racing circumstances and that all the best riders do it. He never mentioned road riding at all. He a hasn't answered the question as to if it should be used on our roads at all. Surprise surprise.
Great video. Riders, make sure your tires are sufficiently warmed up before and high speed trail braking.
I've always been riding this way, long before I heard about trail braking. I even use the same technique with my clutch in the twisties, I guess we will call it trail clutching, I always ride with one finger on the front brake lever preloading just pass the click sound and two fingers on the clutch. Trailing the clutch helps with powering out of corners. Also these techniques are relative if you ride a high powered machine, not necessary if you are not riding a super sports 600cc and above. I ride a zx10r
Trailbraking isn't some mystical motogp technique it's litteraly just controlling your brake the same way you would the throttle. You don't yank the throttle 100% everytime you take off from a stop sign or a red light? Why would you not smoothly control the brake the same way you control the throttle.
No need for it on the public roads. If your trail braking on a public road through an corner, you have entered the corner to fast in the first place. Save it for the track.
At the beginning of the video, I didn't know what trail braking was, but once explained I realized that's how I've always ridden. Now I know what it's called!
I wonder where the idea of getting off the brakes before turning came from? The only place I've ever heard that technique taught was in cart racing with a solid rear axle (being on the brakes and turning in those will cause you to spin out). Other than that tail braking just seems natural / common sense - brake for first half of the turn, then on the throttle for the second half.
let’s say you should do slow-look-press-and-roll as a beginner. then learn trail braking as you progress and, most importantly, learn to tune exactly how much you’re gonna trail brake. on the street it is ideal to trail brake just a little so you have margin for error. come in too slow? leave the brakes and you’re practically doing slpar. come in too hot? trail your brakes more into the turn and still make it
Every time I watch one of this tools videos, I like him less when I didn’t think that was possible. Yet I keep watching.
When I was track riding the the dramatically obvious thing to me was the forces I felt of being compressed into the bike through a corner (centrifugal) were mostly absent at the speeds I was comfortable riding on the street. Track riding was entirely visceral so things like being ultra smooth with power and braking were obvious. It’s the ultimate experience of connecting with the bike while street squidding is always sketchy and microseconds away from life altering disaster. Practise trail braking though, whatever the context.
If I was parking in a parking lot I would not use brake and acceleration at the same time. I would stop, change gear to reverse then not on brake at all I would reverse slowly into position using the gear I am in and tick over, reversing into my place then brake with clutch in and stop. There is no need to use both acceleration and braking at the same time so not really a good description of trail braking at all. It does differ in an automatic..