Have you seen a field gun race, they take it apart, over a gorge, through a small hole and put it back together again, the ultimate destination of your comment. The guys that do/did it were super fit and the competition is insane
True, which is why after certain point you see concepts that are only used in city buses because nobody sane would ever want to think ""Why yes sir I would very much like to have to do a 12 points turn following at least six dimensions of rotation whenever I'm interested in changing direction on a 1½ lane street."
If anyone is curious, quite a few actual production cars did successfully implement 4 wheel steering in their vehicles, Nissans HICAS system comes to mind but there's a few more
And many trucks designed for heavy loads or rough terrain such as quarries utilise multiple steering axles, and trailers used in cities where loading spaces are often tight utilise steerable axles on the trailer. The trailer steering axles are typically automatic but can be manually controlled when required.
Acura, Audi, BMW, Lexus, Porsche, Ferrari, and Mercedes have all got a few modern cars with all-wheel steering. The rear wheels might not turn as much as the front ones but they certainly do.
@@sandman_-_ Toyota Celica GT4 also has 4 wheel steer. Built in the 1980's. The rear wheels only turn approx 5 degrees from center but it drastically enhances high speed cornering and grip. The problem in that period was it was a complex control system but with modern electronics 4WS has made a comeback.
In a nutshell, the outside and inside wheels have to cover a different turning radius Ackerman makes it so the inside wheels turn a bit tighter than the outside wheels
It would be interesting to also include the effect of wheelbase on the turning circle, and show how a compact car can turn much better than a large truck or SUV, and how even long buses can achieve reasonable turning circles with large rear overhangs.
THIS! The overhang of a vehicle does wonders to its steering circle. When i first got my truck licence i was amazed how the reverse-manuevers behave differently from my no-overhang compact car. Would be even more interesting seeing it for a BUS! From the sky view even!!
It's all about the wheelbase. London has its iconic Routemaster red buses with wheels near the ends, for a terrible turning circle. But also modern city buses with short wheelbase and a lot of overhang that can take much tighter bends
This method is actually used for real vehicles. Skid Steers use 2 sets of wheels or tracks, tanks do the same with tracks. I believe the electric Hummer also supports that form of steering but I'd imagine it's not good for the tires.
But it hurts the wheels on solid ground. But on sand, mud, soil, snow and gravel the ground will shift around the wheels as it is dragged sideways, so it's not so bad.
I think the 4 wheel steering one would have been better with a central differential. It sounded distinctly unhappy and that's the first thing that I can think of that might have caused that.
could also be because the steering linkage is inexact. the inner wheel should turn more than the outer also, the wheels are thick, so you will have some friction regardless
Modern logging trailers do (sometimes) fold up right into the semi-truck. Completing essentially the same task, taking something very long and unwieldy, and making it turn much tighter than it’s normal length would allow.
I agree to this idea! What a wonderful silence afterwards when I left my kids waiting in the car while going for shopping. Don't have to buy minced meat either.
@kaz49 Or better yet, implement better public transportation and have less people drive cars. Then we wouldn't need as much parking and there would be less traffic. Plus more jobs. Essentially a win for everyone.
One that's slightly more useful (and insane) than the transforming vehicle: One that's programmed to do a wheelie and balance on its two rear wheels like a hoverboard as it turns around. :P
I loved this video a ton. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of a “front dig” before but that would be an interesting one to try with legos. Rock crawlers use it to do way tight turns in the back country. They disengage 4wd and lock the rear brakes then they use power just to the front axle to pull the truck around tighter obstacles. It’s super cool.
0:44 you forgot to add a center differential. In a conventional car, both wheels on the front axle has a larger turning radius than the rear axle, causing a 4wd to skid and skip some, but not as much as if the front or rear diffs were locked
Interesting comparison! I really like your ideas and your creative use of Lego. Just a short note: The turning circle is defined as the diameter of a full circle, not just a U-turn. There are in fact two definitions that are used in vehicle development, which are "curb-to-curb" and "wall-to-wall". The former is the diameter of the circle that the most outer wheel follows, so it is a circle that you can drive without crossing any curb. The latter takes the geometry of the whole vehicle into account with all its overhanging body parts.
OMG. How long did it take you from basically not knowing about all this mechanical know-how (100% beginner), up until now with videos like that? It’s so far beyond impressive! Thanks for showing us! 👏👏👏
I've been wanting to do a demonstration like this to help my driving students understand vehicle steering better. I never thought to use Legos like this
In the low-speed low-slip case it makes no difference. Where it makes a difference is with real, pneumatic tires that the contact patch deforms under load which isn't modeled here. In basic models of real cars, that's modeled as a sidewall stiffness factor.
Good experiment, but the different vehicle lengths are giving us different results. Id like to see this done again, but all vehicles are the same length
it's kinda hard to see, but i'm pretty sure all vehicles were the same length, i guess that's the reason the normal differential steering one was so much longer than needed
Differential steering is also often called neutral steering. Most modern tanks and other tracked vehicles have this feature so they can maneuver about in very tight spaces or in areas with inconsistent terrain.
It would be interesting if we can get length to dia ratio of the vehicle to know the efficiency of the turning radius. As length of the vehicle is playing a huge role in it.
And then there are tracked dumpers with a tracked undercarriage and a rotating dump body and cab. It can drive both directions without needing to turn the tracks and then it only rotates the upper part 180° whenever it gets to the loading or unloading spot.
man i i laughed at the transforming vehicle design ...i can see it now ....ya just fold your vehicle in half and you can turn here :> still a great video
I wanted so much more. Any ability to incorporate some casters in front/behind some drive wheels? I think some function to perform as well to make the designs meet a constraint.
I know, right? Honestly, I fully expected him to make something super overkill or ridiculous by the end, like omnidirectional wheels or a hamster ball. This was... almost underwhelming. Surely there's a part 2 in the works.
There's one missing that is simple and very effective. Crawler style : rear axle locked completely and front wheel drive turn . The radius is pretty much the wheelbase. The rear acts as an anchor
The last one just showed the flaw of a test like this. It won't matter if my vehicle turns like a standard car, it out-turns yours due to it being something tiny like a hot wheels toy car that can fit inside the 18cm diameter.
I'd like to see you prototype a suspension setup with the benefits of an independent and a solid axle. For example, solid axles are unstable at speed and have clearance issues. In contrast, Independent suspension has clearance and stability but no truly redemptive factors on a challenging trail, where solid axles belong.
what is the real-world application of the "Transforming vehicle" at 2:51? I don't see why you need the trailer since it's deemed useless unless it has cargo. When it has cargo, it won't even be able to lift it up in the air like that. that last design works just don't need the trailers because it's kind of useless.
It could deliver its cargo, then empty fold up to get out of a tight space. But of course why not just back up with the cargo. It would be a very specific scenario.
If you make it so all 4 wheels have independent steering and power, you can effectively have differential steering without the massive power requirements of differential steering by just aligning all 4 wheels tangent to a circle and pretending it's differential steering from a controls perspective.
1. А-образной формы вертикально ломающуюся раму еще можно собрать, будет поднимать ось сгиба вертикально вверх. 2. Использовать в поворотной оси одно колесо, по сути трицикл. 3. Гиростабилизированая двухколесная платформа. 4. Шагающая рама. 5. Реверсивное движение платформы, без разворотов и любым количеством осей и нагрузки весовой, заехал и выехал :)
the best way is of course to disassemble the vehicle and rebuild it in the orientation you want it to go
Genius
Have you seen a field gun race, they take it apart, over a gorge, through a small hole and put it back together again, the ultimate destination of your comment.
The guys that do/did it were super fit and the competition is insane
@@pobvicthere is a similar thing involving disassembling some kind of small army jeep.
Reconstructive steering
That's a great idea. Now I know what to do when car is stuck in parking.
At a certain point, it’s just the vehicle’s size that matters and not its turning angle.
True, which is why after certain point you see concepts that are only used in city buses because nobody sane would ever want to think ""Why yes sir I would very much like to have to do a 12 points turn following at least six dimensions of rotation whenever I'm interested in changing direction on a 1½ lane street."
Exactly!
or the diffencial pignon make a wheel left or right turn faster and then have more speed of left or right@@IamSaud_YT
If i say that the turning diameter of differential steering is 0, it wasn't wrong
@@Slug99i now want to see a city buss with the lifting trailer.
If anyone is curious, quite a few actual production cars did successfully implement 4 wheel steering in their vehicles, Nissans HICAS system comes to mind but there's a few more
And many trucks designed for heavy loads or rough terrain such as quarries utilise multiple steering axles, and trailers used in cities where loading spaces are often tight utilise steerable axles on the trailer. The trailer steering axles are typically automatic but can be manually controlled when required.
Acura, Audi, BMW, Lexus, Porsche, Ferrari, and Mercedes have all got a few modern cars with all-wheel steering. The rear wheels might not turn as much as the front ones but they certainly do.
@@sandman_-_
Toyota Celica GT4 also has 4 wheel steer. Built in the 1980's.
The rear wheels only turn approx 5 degrees from center but it drastically enhances high speed cornering and grip.
The problem in that period was it was a complex control system but with modern electronics 4WS has made a comeback.
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For those who don’t know, differential steering is how most heavy equipment such as skid loaders, excavators, dozers, etc steer.
Do skid loaders get their name from that?
@@PhoenixClank yes, they are most often called skid-steer, not skid loaders (at least where I'm from).
That's a real concept?!
@@theastuteangler I’ve heard both.
@@hamizannaruto yessir.
Dude one-ups himself with every camera cut. Love the creativity
We need to see one with Ackerman geometry
What's Ackerman geometry
@@ARKWOLF20000geometry made by Ackerman
In a nutshell, the outside and inside wheels have to cover a different turning radius
Ackerman makes it so the inside wheels turn a bit tighter than the outside wheels
@@joshuagreen5613so, a differential ?
No, differential allows for different rotation speeds but is not affecting turn angle itself. You need both (and this is what most cars have).
It would be interesting to also include the effect of wheelbase on the turning circle, and show how a compact car can turn much better than a large truck or SUV, and how even long buses can achieve reasonable turning circles with large rear overhangs.
THIS! The overhang of a vehicle does wonders to its steering circle. When i first got my truck licence i was amazed how the reverse-manuevers behave differently from my no-overhang compact car. Would be even more interesting seeing it for a BUS! From the sky view even!!
I was a bit disappointed that the overhang wasn't ever altered.
I think the point was to show the turning radius with the same length vehicle.
He also kind of shows this with his last "transforming vehicle"
It's all about the wheelbase. London has its iconic Routemaster red buses with wheels near the ends, for a terrible turning circle. But also modern city buses with short wheelbase and a lot of overhang that can take much tighter bends
A narrower vehicle has limited angle on the front wheels..
A wider vehicle can turn to a harder angle.
The differential one before the trailer's my favourite, I like how it turns without the wheels turning left or right
That's how tanks steer
Neutral steering is the technical term IIRC
This method is actually used for real vehicles. Skid Steers use 2 sets of wheels or tracks, tanks do the same with tracks. I believe the electric Hummer also supports that form of steering but I'd imagine it's not good for the tires.
But it hurts the wheels on solid ground. But on sand, mud, soil, snow and gravel the ground will shift around the wheels as it is dragged sideways, so it's not so bad.
I love how as the videos go on, the ideas just get more and more insane!
It’s weird this channel is part Lego for fun and half way between a science and education and partly asmr, I love it
I think the 4 wheel steering one would have been better with a central differential. It sounded distinctly unhappy and that's the first thing that I can think of that might have caused that.
could also be because the steering linkage is inexact. the inner wheel should turn more than the outer
also, the wheels are thick, so you will have some friction regardless
Ackermann steering- surprisingly simple.
You know what, all vehicles should be able to fold up like that. Imagine how much less space we'd need for parking! xD
Modern logging trailers do (sometimes) fold up right into the semi-truck. Completing essentially the same task, taking something very long and unwieldy, and making it turn much tighter than it’s normal length would allow.
I agree to this idea! What a wonderful silence afterwards when I left my kids waiting in the car while going for shopping. Don't have to buy minced meat either.
@kaz49 Or better yet, implement better public transportation and have less people drive cars. Then we wouldn't need as much parking and there would be less traffic. Plus more jobs.
Essentially a win for everyone.
@@thatguythatdoesstuff5899 no
@@mewmew8932 yes
i love this guy he just gets straight to the point no intro no like and subscribe just BAM L E G O, keep it up
3 and a half minutes and i was captivated the entire time. I don't even play with legos.
You are a smart and creative person. I wish you success❤
I will never get bored of these videos
Your videos are so educational. I love them so much, please try to make two videos per month not just one ❤
I’m more suprised by how perfect of a circle those drive lines are , good job bro
A vehicle with differential steering and a single or dual caster wheel (like a roomba) would only be limited by its physical size.
Alternatively, one might use mecanum wheels and never need to turn again. Thankfully you'd still be able to, if you wanted to.
and the marks you'd leave every time you take a turn
You are the best at Lego experiments. Please do not stop doing these videos.
One that's slightly more useful (and insane) than the transforming vehicle: One that's programmed to do a wheelie and balance on its two rear wheels like a hoverboard as it turns around. :P
I always watch your videos without any distractions.
it's a good day when BEC uploads
I loved this video a ton. I don’t know if you’ve ever heard of a “front dig” before but that would be an interesting one to try with legos. Rock crawlers use it to do way tight turns in the back country. They disengage 4wd and lock the rear brakes then they use power just to the front axle to pull the truck around tighter obstacles. It’s super cool.
Not sure the LEGO motors would be strong enough for that, in my experience they are quite underpowered.
@@scottthewaterwarrior A lower gear ratio can give you the torque.
@@garethbaus5471 Yes, but then you take the LEGO vehicle from an already slow speed to a downright painful speed.
This new video you made is like a virtual birthday gift
0:44 you forgot to add a center differential. In a conventional car, both wheels on the front axle has a larger turning radius than the rear axle, causing a 4wd to skid and skip some, but not as much as if the front or rear diffs were locked
Love these designs 👌
Superb explanation! Thanks
Interesting comparison! I really like your ideas and your creative use of Lego. Just a short note: The turning circle is defined as the diameter of a full circle, not just a U-turn. There are in fact two definitions that are used in vehicle development, which are "curb-to-curb" and "wall-to-wall". The former is the diameter of the circle that the most outer wheel follows, so it is a circle that you can drive without crossing any curb. The latter takes the geometry of the whole vehicle into account with all its overhanging body parts.
It would have been fun seeing a design involving differential steering but using clutch braking. Maybe for a future video? Love your stuff❤
OMG. How long did it take you from basically not knowing about all this mechanical know-how (100% beginner), up until now with videos like that? It’s so far beyond impressive! Thanks for showing us! 👏👏👏
Weird question
Oh my gosh 😱😱 amazing🎊🎊🎊👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I love these so much, short and very interesting to watch :)
The fact that he still haven't run out of ideas is insane.
I've been wanting to do a demonstration like this to help my driving students understand vehicle steering better. I never thought to use Legos like this
Nice work! It's really funny )
Awesome as usual.
Could you by any means do a comparison with front-wheel steering and drive? Since most modern cars are front-wheel drive.
Yes, please! Maybe a full comparison of AWD, FWD and RWD with and/or without differential
Yes please
In the low-speed low-slip case it makes no difference. Where it makes a difference is with real, pneumatic tires that the contact patch deforms under load which isn't modeled here. In basic models of real cars, that's modeled as a sidewall stiffness factor.
Makes no difference at this speed. Only at speed will you get understeer
Thanks u for this tutorial cause i have a science school that needs me to build a robot or smthing creative so i needed this video for help thx
The last one made me smile !
Legend is back...
That last one seemed like a cop out, but it was charming and clever so, A+.
You are the best bro
I see all your vids
Me: transforming vehicle? This is stupid…
Also me: I LOVE IT!
As always, it's insane.
What a neat little video.
Thats cool
Good experiment, but the different vehicle lengths are giving us different results. Id like to see this done again, but all vehicles are the same length
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it's kinda hard to see, but i'm pretty sure all vehicles were the same length, i guess that's the reason the normal differential steering one was so much longer than needed
They are all the same length......
@@Aero_Silktailcool
"Babe, why are you taking notes?"
You are very creative ❤
He took pull a u turn to the absolute extreme
Differential steering is also often called neutral steering. Most modern tanks and other tracked vehicles have this feature so they can maneuver about in very tight spaces or in areas with inconsistent terrain.
Oh Hahaha! A smaller turning radius than the length of the vehicle! You're funny!😅
RWD + LSD can net you a very small turning circle by turning the wheel and blipping the throttle for a second or so 😉
Nice! Now perfect the spin
For a regular car, front wheel steering and drive has a pretty small turning circle
It would be interesting if we can get length to dia ratio of the vehicle to know the efficiency of the turning radius. As length of the vehicle is playing a huge role in it.
This is better than most hybrids nowadays
Loving this.
Honey wake up, BEC uploaded a new video
This was beautyfull
And then there are tracked dumpers with a tracked undercarriage and a rotating dump body and cab. It can drive both directions without needing to turn the tracks and then it only rotates the upper part 180° whenever it gets to the loading or unloading spot.
man i i laughed at the transforming vehicle design ...i can see it now ....ya just fold your vehicle in half and you can turn here :> still a great video
Why is this video so funny!
Tank steering was pretty awesome in lego
Rough terrain cranes have conventional 4 wheel steering but they also have crab steering
I wanted so much more. Any ability to incorporate some casters in front/behind some drive wheels? I think some function to perform as well to make the designs meet a constraint.
I know, right? Honestly, I fully expected him to make something super overkill or ridiculous by the end, like omnidirectional wheels or a hamster ball. This was... almost underwhelming. Surely there's a part 2 in the works.
I wish I had all the Legos to build stuff like this
No way anyone is better than him in being scientific in LEGO.
Wow that is awesome 0:28 0:29
I love how it just sorta turned into a tank
This guy in a few days - 1:64 Working jet engine producing real thrust with Lego
Now, set up your ackerman angle 👌
I kept guessing the number of centimetres correctly, it was incredible. I don't know why I can't do this with something that matters!
Jackknifed the Heck outta that first Trailer.
That's a lot of trouble to go to, just to avoid learning to reverse! :P
Can you test the Ackermann principle in lego? Would be interesting and educative since i bet its not a familiar principle to many
I love your video a lot 10000000000000000000000000 sub
There's one missing that is simple and very effective. Crawler style : rear axle locked completely and front wheel drive turn . The radius is pretty much the wheelbase. The rear acts as an anchor
i want some of these lego tooo❤
Would've been good to see Ackerman vs anti Ackerman turning radius too. Still an exceptional video as always🙏
Now I know how to mod my daily car for better maneuverability.
The last one is amazing. The question is where could it be used?
1:54 AMX-10RC lore :
Curious about the riding lawnmower turning diameter, where all the wheels can align to a turning circle centered to the vehicle
This is great. Can you upload how to built this models?
Bro made his own transformer at the end.
Notifications from your channel are very rare
The last one just showed the flaw of a test like this.
It won't matter if my vehicle turns like a standard car, it out-turns yours due to it being something tiny like a hot wheels toy car that can fit inside the 18cm diameter.
I'd like to see you prototype a suspension setup with the benefits of an independent and a solid axle. For example, solid axles are unstable at speed and have clearance issues. In contrast, Independent suspension has clearance and stability but no truly redemptive factors on a challenging trail, where solid axles belong.
I like the most 4 wheel steering because other steering system are impossible to use in our present cars.
Me: I'll go to sleep early tonight
Also me at 5am:
what is the real-world application of the "Transforming vehicle" at 2:51? I don't see why you need the trailer since it's deemed useless unless it has cargo. When it has cargo, it won't even be able to lift it up in the air like that.
that last design works just don't need the trailers because it's kind of useless.
It could deliver its cargo, then empty fold up to get out of a tight space.
But of course why not just back up with the cargo. It would be a very specific scenario.
If you make it so all 4 wheels have independent steering and power, you can effectively have differential steering without the massive power requirements of differential steering by just aligning all 4 wheels tangent to a circle and pretending it's differential steering from a controls perspective.
is there a reason you use the power function motors instead of the powered up ones?
Love your vids can you try and make a lego forklift it would be awesome
Front wheel steering and drive? It's the most common
I really hope that these videos are played in schools and colleges.
a side by side comparioson would be nice
1. А-образной формы вертикально ломающуюся раму еще можно собрать, будет поднимать ось сгиба вертикально вверх. 2. Использовать в поворотной оси одно колесо, по сути трицикл. 3. Гиростабилизированая двухколесная платформа. 4. Шагающая рама. 5. Реверсивное движение платформы, без разворотов и любым количеством осей и нагрузки весовой, заехал и выехал :)
I think it would be interesting to compare these in terms of ratio between car length and turning radius.