If anyone is interested in seeing how I like to tackle medieval fantasy roleplaying you can check out this mini campaign playlist I ran with the other members of the sword community: ua-cam.com/video/g7OuYHZsUlo/v-deo.html Grounded and immersive medieval fantasy is my style ^_^
At least this time they arent trying to do a serious epic movie, but instead is kinda a heist funny action movie, kinda like the tone the thor movies have been getting lately. I feel this can be good
You think this looks fun? Chris Pratt is talking like he is from modern times. I predict he'll say Dude at some point in the movie. The way he delivers his lines is laughable in this setting.
You can tell what they are by their class icons. Chris Pine is a Bard, Rodrigez is a Barbarian, Rege-Jean Page is a Paladin, Justice Smith's character is a Sorcerer and Sopha Lillies' character is a Druid. Hugh Grant's character is a Rogue. The castle btw is Castle Never, the city itself is Neverwinter. The cat-like creature is a Displacer Beast.
I'd say for dnd related things fantasy armor and weapons are more viable because they're confirmed to have fantasy materials for magical equipment as well as the general stat system. To clarify on the stats I'm not necessarily saying the characters in movie need character sheets but in game players can reach above 20 strength which is like giant strength so in the lore it wouldn't be unreasonable for a human to be insanely strong and swing around a huge axe made of adamantine
I am fairly certain that it states somewhere that if your strength is at 20 you can lift around a metric ton. Nobody applies this, because it's a bit much, but if they're going with RAW. Definitely doable.
@@Some_Really_Random_Dude. That is basically RAW. Can't say if that's RAI, though. But Yeah, Giants in D&D have Base Strength Score of 20. And most of the time, you can't get past a score of 20 without the Aid of a Magic Item, Potion, or Late Level Class Feature.
@@Some_Really_Random_Dude. You can lift 600 lbs normally with 20 strength, your carry weight is your strength score * 15 and your lifting weight is that * 2
For me, it's not an owlbear, mimic, or black dragon that get my attention in this trailer. It's seeing clear visual ques like clearly city of neverwinter, The Rebel's End Prision from Icewind Dale, The symbol of Lathander on bannars, Chris Pine wearing a Harper's pin, Red Mages of Thay - including one that is likely Szas Tam the lich himself, an underdark city that might be Menzoberranzan (Drizzt sequel?) or Gracklstugh, and good old chunky boi Themberchaud. It may not be *historically* accurate (not like DnD ever is) but the important details for a DnD movie is that it's showing in this bit of footage to be extremely accurate to the DnD books we've had for years.
The sword is a hundred percent something a DM handed out with pride. And a hundred percent the player was like, "But I don't have a weapon now." And the DM quickly added, "It leaves you with a... +1 dagger!" And it was only ever used once and another player always brings that up when it's complained about. I'm looking at you thaumaturgy.
Hey I love thaumaturgy, it was great playing a crazed zealous tempest cleric who would go on "the end is nigh" rants while making his voice boom loudly, all the torches go wild and green, and cause mild tremors, great for RP
@@axelmartinez8538 Now you sound like my friend. I appreciate good RP but they should have combined Thaumaturgy and Prestidigitation. I can "RP" that my voice is booming and it does the same thing as Thaumaturgy. There is nothing useful outside of RP that you do with that spell. (maybe the door or window thing but that would be such a specific situation.) It's all subjective to the DM if the booming voice or ooky spooky effects did anything to anybody. The ability to turn campfires and torches on and off alone with Prestidigitation is worth that spell. They could have combined them and if they wanted different effects for different types of spellcasters they could have done: "If you're a cleric you can do these additional effects." or something like that. My friend got advantage one time by using Thaumaturgy and that has made him preach about how it's a good spell. I've never done anything useful except for what amounts to flavor text. Prestidigitation, I keep my character clean after every encounter. We don't need to roll to start a fire or put one out in dire circumstances. I can brag about how my food tastes better than everyone elses. And I can hand my fellow adventurers little middle finger up trinket hands if they do something that annoys me.
@@RogaineForEwoks all three of druidcraft, prestidigitation, and thaumaturgy are almost exclusively RP tools. none of them do much of anything mechanically useful. thaumaturgy/prestidigitcation have some minor tools to let you distract people and druidcraft lets you predict the weather but...thats basically it. you don't take them for how useful they are.
@@sillyking1991 I get it, they aren't amazing spells, they're cantrips. But let's not play around. 99% of the population in a D&D universe would choose Prestidigitation over Thaumaturgy. Hot and cold food. Flavored. Clean clothes. And you don't have to spend twenty minutes trying to start a fire? Presti has got it all the way. I've never had the DM ask me anything that Thaum would work on. Never. Never been asked, "How do you talk loud enough?" or "The monsters would listen but your eyes aren't glowing." I have been asked BOTH "How do you start the fire?" and "How do you put the fire out?" Most times the starting of fires is just a handwave thing, campfire is started because the PCs are camping for the night. But that time it wasn't, there was a dire circumstance and it wasn't just gonna be a handwave thing. The other time was a group of baddies were after us and I put out the fire, much to the DMs chagrin. I've also been told, "You're covered in blood you can't just walk past the guards!" And I laugh and say, "What blood?" then sing "Prestidigitation!" Presti is besty.
Paladin: "I'm going to... stab him with my dagger, I guess." DM: "Go ahead and roll." Paladin: "That's a nine." DM: "And add proficiency." Paladin: "I'm a Paladin, I'm not proficient with daggers." DM: "...Okay, add your Dexterity Modifier." Paladin: "That is a minus one." DM: "...Fuck."
As a player of the DnDs I'm definitely looking forward to this movie. It's rare that I disagree with Mr. Shad, but in a world where you can throw a dagger and have it return to you through magic, a missile sword isn't an instant no-go. Lol
Also about the barbarian armor. He said he prefers authenticity about the axe then says he prefers Conan the barbarians armor theme. So a fur thong and hairy nipple tassels?
Exactly. I thought at first Shad didn't know about D&D, but then he has all the manuals and said he has played. I guess being an expert on medieval he sees different things that we do. But I was really delighted to see callback to D&D monsters on screen.
@Gregfam yep. Saying he hasn't played as much as he used to and referencing Dragonlance, I assume he is old school and likes his fantasy as realistic as possible. 5e can be pretty silly so it clashes with his taste.
to be fair...its also *exactly* the type of thing i could see a DnD player doing out of desperation. it really depends on how much damge the cube does, as opposed to the beast
I think the Gelatinous Cube was dead. I mean it didn't look it was moving at all when they jumped into it and it definitely would have been moving if it was alive. Plus if it was dead then it either wouldn't do any damage to them while they're inside or the damage would be minimal and lessening as time passed since it's death.
@@sillyking1991 Depends on which edition the Cube is from. Early edition Cubes only did like 2d8 dmg per round. 5E Cubes do like 6d6 dmg per round once a creature is inside them. The 5e displacer beast is a bit more situational. If it hits with 2 claw attacks on a target then it can rake with it's back 4 legs for a total of 6 claw attacks doing a total of 6d4+24 dmg. Or it can go with 2 tentacle atks at 1d4+4 each and/or a bite atk at 1d8+4 dmg. The main threat of a displacer beast is that it's usually not where you think it is because it displaces it's image to a different nearby spot. So atks against it are made at a disadvantage. Comparing between different editions is a chore but older editions displacer beasts are a bit easier to deal with because they only apply a -2 to hit to players. Starting in 3e is when they started becoming more like the 5e version though with the displacement illusion aspect. So....it depends on which edition. 5e the Cube is far more dangerous and damaging plus is WAY harder to hurt than the displacer beast. If they're older editions then the cube would be the better choice to deal with. Personally I think the cube was already dead by the time they jumped into it.
You need to think like a fresh, naive, DnD party. That is very possible and a cool idea that goes south instantly after the party ACTUALLY feels the weight of their actions. And I hope they play into that in the film. I wanna see horrible horrible consequences.
I can't imagine being upset about a projectile sword in D&D when there are whole catalogues of bizarre magic items including a cape that magically billows as if it were blowing in the wind.
@@TheHalogen131 the Dread Helm, while basic, has my favorite effect of all items in the game. "It gives your eyes a piercing red glow" "So, like, I get an intimidation bonus or something?" "Maybe :)"
Hey that cape of billowing is a mainstay on my characters, my warlock never makes a dramatic monologue or disses the big bad with out billowing... dramatically
@@HovektheArtist exactly, though my AT rogues is a cloak of billowing, and he uses it to pretend he's a full blown wizard of immense power to the magically ignorant, coupling it with his multiple uncommon languages and minor illusion
Shad, with the barbarian character, I believe they're portraying them purposefully with garb that isn't actually armor because 5e barbarians usually get better "armor class" ratings by not wearing armor
I think he doesn't like the style more than armor being armor. But my problem is he say he prefers them wearing Conan the barbarian them. So a fur thong and hairy nipple tassels?
@@mojebi3804 It is pretty obvious... fur thongs and fur banana hammocks = terrible armor. Bad aesthetic bad protection from the elements. It is just fan service for horny people.🤣🤣
Shad: “A slingshot on her arm? That’s so cringe!” But magic stone is such a great cantrip! And on the Druid spell list! This makes perfect sense in DnD
Magic stone isn‘t that great (mainly at higher levels) and I think, that slings don‘t change the damage (they only change the range, if I remember correctly).
I think the thing I love about this is it FEELS like the characters your friends would have made in your high school D&D party. Does it look inaccurate? Yeah, but it looks like the drawing your artsy friend did of their character. I think the thing I like about what i've seen is that they're embracing it being D&D, not just a fantasy movie.
So everybody in the middle ages wore leather jackets so they would look cool! The movie looks too freaking modern damnit! These are guys and girls in leather jackets with swords and just compare that with a medeaval painting.
@@thomaskalbfus2005 I mean, yeah but that city is Neverwinter I believe. It's literally home to a guild of drow swashbucklers that use psychics as one of their enforcers. The nearby mountains are mined for their ore by spacefaring dwarves that live among the astroids above Faerun Forgotten realms has pastiche of medieval but it really it's as authentic as an SCA group. I mean, there's several cities with airship ports and more than one with a spelljammer port for space travel. I don't know that I'd expect that setting to line up with Earth history.
Im kinda wondering if the "Sword" is supposed to be a "Dancing Blade"? 5e Dancing Blade The sword flies from your hand and moves 30ft and makes an attack. After 4 attacks it returns to your hand. It did look magical. Your right about the armor, but I still really liked the trailer over all.
To all watching the DnD trailer, I have to bring you guys the attention to what the actors and producers are saying on interviews in this comic con and I strongly recommend everyone to watch then. In almost all of them, the love and respect for the source material and the fans is palpable. Michele Rodrigues had an excellent on where she says " a lot of companies get those IPs only to get money, without caring for the IP" And the producers said " It's for everyone but it's mostly for the fans, they are the ones keeping DnD alive longer than I am living. Bring the fans and the rest will come" I am very happy with this and will give all the chances to this film. This is the respect that we want and it should be celebrated
@@baklapjr Consoomer garbage eh? Sounds like all things DnD after 3.5 to me! (This is a joke. I play 5e. I have a podcast of me playing 5e on the internet if anyone wants proof. Please don't crucify me)
To tell the truth, I only hope they will not repeat Baldur's Gate novel fiasco, when they hired inexperienced writer to make this story cannon as fast as possible, and in the end they made an abomination of literature and spited on this wonderful story.
When you think about it, the atypical D&D setting is kinda like a weird hodgepodge of different eras thrown into an anachronistic stew. You got: - Wild West with frontier towns and taverns as well as warring tribal groups. - all the time periods of medieval Europe. - the innovativeness of the renaissance. - swashbuckling rogues and pirates from 17th and 18th centuries. - Viking raiders of 10th and 12th centuries. - and we can’t forget Conan’s Undreamed of Age.
But how it intersects is important you have magic barriers events that almost end the world all the time based on great evils and good fighting endless battles small to large then you have some places where certain things would be useless like a non-magic wild west won't do well against magic but if you have it be mixed just maybe it could work but its delicate I prefer stories that blend it all or even if at disadvantage they still can work for example a distracted wizard could still get a bullet and die without enough time to block if fighting multiple opponents and if some abilities are used in tandem a regular gunslinger could work fine. Futuristic can work by create balances so losing ammo for guns and need to make more bullets if needing to recharge energy needing spells that could power such weapons or natural elements and locations that could in some way make playability the key is IMAGINATION but they seem to want to rule lawyer everything, balance everything on paper or give massive drawbacks to attacks for example monks in 5e.
@@stagthechainsawbeserker3926 I’m sorry, I’m not sure exactly what you’re trying to say. I don’t know if you’re making an argument, adding to what I said, or I don’t really know. To help, what I was attempting to point out was the average D&D setting, baring magic for now, is in a time period that never really existed. It is rather an amalgamation of different historical periods, in particular, elements of those time periods we are most familiar. For example, a little village in D&D will look more like a Wild West frontier town with a general store and specialty shops than a medieval peasant village. Another would be armor and weapons, the various types of armor (chain mail, brigandine, full plate) or swords (arming sword, long sword, epee, falchion, claymore, cutlass) are separated by decades if not centuries. What is interesting is despite all these little anachronisms, we’re willing to accept them as normal parts of our run of the mill make believe worlds to have in. And that’s ok. As for guns, balancing is almost a non-issue. From match lock to civil war era rifles, Simply require line of sight firing with penalties to accuracy if target is behind an obstruction, longer reload time, a beefed up ranged damage with options to use as a wooden club or a short spear (if bayonet is attached) for melee damage. Revolvers could take, say, a full action to reload once all ammunition is spent (a PC might get off 2 or 3 rounds per turn depending on make and model like double action revolvers. single action revolvers would be one shot per turn since you have to manually cock the hammer after every shot). Good examples of gun rules to take inspiration from are Cyberpunk Red or even 2020 and Call of Cthulhu.
True. I believe it's more like aesthetics than actual tech and culture. History buffs often forget this is another world, different history and multiple dimensions and beings all existing. There was no England, no Gauls, no China etc. So our history is just inspiration and not the truth. So airships and teleports are normal as are swashbucklers alongside of muscled Conan like barbarians.
I think there is an important distinction between medieval high fantasy and DnD. A sword that shoots off (implying a magic item)? Ridiculous weapons? Studded leather? What appears to be Vecna? Feels like DnD to me and I personally don't WANT it to feel historically accurate because it isn't in our world. I just want it to feel like a "real" dnd party and campaign.
Different named lich. It's Szass Tam not Vecna. It's clearly a Red wizards of Thay plot and he's their leader/ it's strikingly similar to his official 5e art.
It doesn't have to be accurate to our own medieval world...........but the stuff still has to look like whoever made it actually knew what they were doing. It doesn't lol. It's all just fashion, no function.
Shad: recognizes Michelle as a barbarian, a class characterized by not needing to wear armor to be an effective tank Also Shad: judges her combat attire
but only on fifth edition, in 3.5 (the edition shad played judging by his Monster Manual) the barbarians still wear armour up to medium armour (or heavy if you want a dwarf in full plate moving with 30 ft)
In fairness, if the "blade" that was launched is actually enchanted on it's own to act like a Dancing weapon, the paladin's scene could actually work. Fyi, for those of you who don't know what a dancing weapon does: think Yondu's arrow. Now imagine the arrow is a sword. Or a dagger. Or a spear. Or a hammer. Or a fork-wait, no, that's animate objects... You get the point.
it *could* work as a Dancing Weapon or have Returning on it, but while it's out fighting the user (Paladin) is now stuck in melee with a dagger, which limits their potential to attack and defend. DnD doesn't change your AC based on what weapon you're using, but a live action movie has to take into account the choreography, if the Pali has been fighting with blocks and parries and suddenly switches to a completely different fighting style it'll be a bit jarring.
@@reddragonfall They have weapon proficency with all simple and martial weapons so they are literally supposed to be able to switch fighting styles on the fly
@@reddragonfall It'd still be better than a normal Dancing Blade because normally you'd have no weapon afterwards. At least here he has something to protect himself with.
I’m giving that sword a pass, since it’s a magic weapon in a high fantasy setting, and at least he still has a blade after launching the sword blade. I just hope the sword blade either returns to the wielder automatically after the strike, or fights on its own alongside the wielder. Edit: I’m definitely more excited about the D&D movie, and not at all for Rings of Power.
Yeah, could definitely be a flying sword. It'd actually be really smart in that case since you won't lose your own means of self-defense while the sword does its thing.
I do wish the flying part of the blade was made to look like something that should fly. The big round tip is made for chopping, not piercing, and it should be narrower if it's supposed to be thrown. The crossguard doesn't look very aerodynamic.
@@zappodude7591 If it's a Dancing Blade it can stab and slash, so shape doesn't matter terribly much beyond user preference. It's basically a sentient floating sword, it can do whatever it pleases to murder its foes.
My theory is that the shooting sword could actually be a magical item called a Dancing Sword. It’s a magical that animates, levitates, and fights on its own.
That'd be cool to see in a movie! I just assumed that maybe it sort of flew back. Would freaking love to have a ranged attack built into a sword in DnD :P
I think that the cheese may actually be intentional (and in my view fitting) it does accurately depict the ridiculous -but somehow still powerful- homebrew magical items
It looks to me like the movie is aiming for D&D accurate and not historical accurate, and I am fine with that. I have to say that the monsters look fantastic. And the Mimic scene in the trailer is the first time that I have ever realized the respect it deserves. There are a few things that some people that are D&D purist are complaining about, but this movie is suppose to be reflecting changes that are going to become available in the next edition of D&D, which is scheduled around the same time the movie comes out, then as long as those changes actually happen in the next edition then I am good with them.
Wait. What? I've been away from D&D for a while, but they're timing 6th Ed with this? Really? It makes me want to force feed whoever made that change a couple jars of Tums, washed down with Pepto, then dropped in that gelatinous cube.
@@tenchraven pretty sure it is supposed to be more of a revision to 5th edition like advanced dnd is to first edition and isn't actually 2nd edition. I am pretty sure they want to keep stat blocks, character sheets, and books applicable.
Well it could be a cool magic item in DnD but only if you can call it back as a free action so you can use it as an improvise ranged weapon and a surprise tactic when the blade just pop back into your hand.
@@ShadowWalker-ng1it Or as some have mentioned it could be a dancing sword, which would just go off and fight on its own. As for only leaving him with a dagger, Dex paladins are a thing in 5E, as weird as they are. 🤔
For me this trailer is showcasing a bunch of troupes, the sword-shooting dagger is for me a sign that one player begged the DM for a cool magic item to show off in a fight, it even glows in runes to show off how badass it is. But the real troupe I´m waiting for is the fight to open a door... Every time I run a game the closed door seems to do more damage than any monster... The doors or the woodland critters they always manage to piss off Testing to run Cthulu next, let´s see what happens there. But this movie seems to me at least at a guilty pleasure level to drink to, if I do this with the Amazon series I will die of liver failure!
In my current campaign (I'm DM) I think I've only had about half the doors locked? The players finally learned to just test the doorknob, but oh boy, watching a wizard (with gauntlets of ogre strength) bounce off a locked door cause they rolled bad to jump kick it down is always fun.
@@shimasclan Same, I run a One shot every few months and the furniture and doors tend to make more damage while they try to get information or loot, than the monster in it. Due to a few bad rolls, the one table became made of the hardest woods known to this world (had to improvise a name for it on the fly xD), and one of the players used it, in the end, to improve his weapon with the weapon smith in town. But the doors are the real danger. One dislocated shoulder, a sprained foot, and a few bruises and scapes and they never check if the door is really locked... This and setting fire to the woods and violence against squirrels seem to be a thing every time I DM for a group of our discord xD But I love it!
@@Broomer52 Well, the barbarian tried this and rolled very low. His weapon rebounds and hits him in the process. And they didn't try to use the door handle before just using brute force. Since I'm the DM, I won't tell them which doors are locked and which aren't if they don't try to open them the regular way or investigate it. Use only your muscles to open a door, well pray that the dice are with you.
Shad, remember that D&D has many weapons that you can throw or shoot at people, which magically return to you after they hit their target (the Dwarven Thrower, or the Eldritch Knight’s bound weapon are some examples). But really, I wouldn’t expect too much realism in D&D, where basically everything can be explained with „Magic”. You can find comfort in knowing that it uses a hard magic system, and I know you’re a fan of those.
@Szymon Lech Dzięcioł You're probably right. Now that I think about it, there's many magical effects that you can't reproduce with spells that are in the PHB. I guess the hardness of the magic system depends on a particular DM.
Totally appreciate "inauthenticity" and "lack of gritty realism" criticisms folks are expressing, but it seems purposefully quite cartoonish, and I'm quite pleased with the IP iconics and energy. It looks like fun! Hopefully the box office pays and they sell toys and merch. Then we may get some spinoffs, including something darker for the grownups. Until then, this one seems to have potential for a broad appeal.
I never played dungeons and dragons, trying to be an early mediaval reenactor, and I will watch this in Cinema because I love mediaval Fantasy which not even tryes to be somehow "authentic" (Most Shows who Claim to be are failing anyway) Its a bit Like Guardians of the Galaxy going mediaval. Just fun Times. Damn If we don't need a good laugh right know
THIS. Every still of the movie looks like it walked off my table and onto the screen. They're beautiful adaptations of the established looks for armor/locations/creatures/spells/etc. Trying to be "gritty" or "realistic" in a high magic hodgepodge setting like the Forgotten Realms would have been a terrible decision. Heaven help Shad if they ever do a Ravenloft or especially Eberron setting. He won't know what to do with himself!
Effects looked good, monsters looked lore-accurate (Original D&D for me), studded leather is a D&D trope by now, and Chris Pine is always a win. The Lute humor worked for me, too. That leaves the flying sword, which would ordinarily be a total Nope for me, but it could be a magical flying weapon that goes to slice up an enemy spell-caster and then returns to you, while leaving you with at least something to stab people with in the meanwhile. Especially given how weird some magic items have gotten in later editions, I'll allow it, as long as they don't overuse it. The Huge Axe aesthetic is saying that it is going for the D&D realism as well, not historical medieval. So in summary, looks like it might be entertaining enough, but I am not expecting it to be a masterpiece. As long as I get a few chuckles out of it and enjoy watching the characters go through their adventure, that is good enough.
I was gonna say there are TONS of flying swords in D&D and its derivatives. hell the final boss of the Iron Gods pathfinder adventure path wielded a dancing greatsword so she can actually fight back if you destroy her body before the final fight (outside of mid level spell spam, she saves high level spells for the final final final encounter assuming your party found the technological artifact Power Suit and lesser Space Suits so they could enter the extreme radiation environment of the space ships core without instantly dying)
The owlbear transformation bothers me : they're classified as "magical creatures", and either through druid shapeshifting or beast-shape spells you can only transform into animals, so I hope they do explain how the hell she's able to use this kinda of ability.
I agree, In my own sessions as a master, I once created an NPC that was a mage who had a magical staff that changed it's properties based on which magical crystal was put into it. One of the crystals transformed it into a dagger, that when hurled in the air would multiply itself several times and cover a 25 ft area under a rain of steel, said ability could only be used twice a day, the uses however were tied to the crystal, not the staff. Another crystal would create a blade of energy around the body of the staff, effectively transforming it into a magic, vorpal greatsword. This crystal was the most busted as it could be freely used whenever he wanted. And then he had one crystal that would open a portal to his base once a day, which he would use whenever he completed his mission or wanted to retreat from a battle. There's a lot that can be done with magical weapons.
@@RoulicisThe as a DM I will say 100% : because why the fuck not? owlbears are hardly stronger than most animals of that CR, the main diff between most animals and magical beats is intelligence and supernatural abilities. OB's DO NOT POSSESS SU ABILITIES this means they are basically just a smart animal. so letting a druid turn into one does not break the game in any way whatsoever and is simply more fun than not letting them turn into one. DM discretion is the #1 rule of all d&d, the DM is the one who read, analyzes, and interprets the rules so their players can have fun playing together and if a player want to do something the rules don't allow for but that isn't game breaking, it is fine to allow it. if it becomes a problem in the futur it is easy enough to talk to the play about it and not allow it later.
I still want to see a Dnd movie where one of the main characters from the party dies half way through and then someone new joins the party, played by the same actor and NO ONE acknowledges is.
@@No_nameOG Lol that should be about the extent of anyone acknowledging it. Though the new character should be strangely familiar with the quirks, tactics and in jokes of the party. But no one should pick up on how weird that is. And if they do, it should be brushed off as nothing. Also it bugs me that I typed “is” instead of “it” in my initial comment and I can’t fix it or I’ll loose the heart -_-
Actual conversation during pre-production JF Daley: We should have a dwarf. Studio Exec.: Have you seen the Dwarf in the first movie? JFD: No, why? two hours later JFD: We should have a Tiefling!
@@Darkwintre That's what I've been saying. She's about the right height and build. She lacks traces of facial hair which would confirm it, but everything else points to dwarf.
@@bskec2177 unlike rings of power the rat queen's had a dwarf warrior maiden initially without a beard so given its not a Tolkien movie they're not bound to the same rules!
@@Darkwintre I know she doesn't have to have facial hair to be a dwarf, I meant that if she did, we would know for sure she was a dwarf. Some female dwarves have a small amount of facial hair, some don't. Some naturally, and some may shave. However, facial hair on a female character would mean dwarf, as that's not something that happens on the other races of Faerun.
Hot air baloon is very much in keeping with the Forgotten Realms setting. You can even find outright airships in there.... or just regular ocean going ships taking to the skies if you look at spelljammer. Hmm... that stupid throwing sword is kind of an underhanded tactic. Would an actual Paladin really use something like that? Probably just a regular fighter or maybe even a rogue, posing as a paladin with some magic items. That would also fit in better with the title of honour among thieves. I'm glad they didn't get a stick-figure to play the female barbarian. She might not be the most bulky and muscular woman out there, but at least she's looking a whole lot more convincing in a brawl than Natalie Portman for example.
Paladins aren’t just “honor and integrity” like pop culture makes them out to be, they’re just paragons of certain particular ideals represented by their oaths. A vengeance or conquest paladin will use every underhanded trick in the book if it will help win a battle.
@@bc64100 I would hate to see how Dragonlance would be treated these days when they release that 90's fan made film (real evidence heard about them stealing one after the first trilogy came out) and still kept the messed up roles for the characters. though a good Spelljammer based on the books would be cool
Saw the trailer and instantly thought they are playing into every trope, both good and some bad, and just having fun with the setting, the lore and the community that's been built up over the years. It's going to be silly and a little absurd but so full of easter eggs and nods to the stories we all share from our games that it might actually be amazing.
I agree. This has the potential to be a stunning 'park your brain and enjoy the ride' movie, appealing to both the dnd folks and the non- gamers. The owlbear scene alone should grab the attention of anyone inclined to watch a fantasy movie. I think its success will depend on whether the writers did their jobs and crafted a competent story. If they just meet the basics of good storytelling, I think it will be successful. If not, it will stand with so many movies we've been handed; a cgi- crammed incomprehensible mess. I am hopeful. We have already been given a trailer that is worlds above all the trailers/ teasers/ random home movie clips for Rings of Power. Perhaps we'll be able to pull up the hood of our cloak, adjust the sword and bag of holding on our hips, and stride forth into an enjoyable experience.
TBH I prefer having the silly aspects of DND, no matter how cringe inducing, instead of ideological propaganda getting injected in the way it was done to pretty much all other live action adaptations of fantasy in recent years, or the rather suspicious looking amor Nilfgardan soldiers wore in The Witcher. That one in particular was saved by Henry Cavill. And seriously. That wrinkled, black, leathery looking armor looked totally like something only men have.
Hot air balloons seem to me to be the sort of technology that could plausibly be invented a lot earlier than they actually were. Especially if you have magic.
We're talking about the game system where artificers create fully-functioning magical prosthetic limbs and artificially-intelligent warforged. I've never been against the idea of hot air balloons or flying machines in D&D. lol
phisics is altered too, as there are flying dragons that are totaly not possible , gravity may be way weaker in D&D , or "air" may not be nitrogen/oxigen based .
The magic sword might not be as awful as it seems, depending on what the enchantments are. For example, if it has the returning enchantment, and comes right back every time you throw it, that would make the dagger more of a landing platform than an actual weapon.
You throw the sword when you are out of movement but not yet close enough to hit with a melee weapon. You have the knife so you aren't considered unarmed or for attacks of opportunity. Plus, it's magical so it probably returns at the end of the round...
It looks like a good, fun, sometimes silly movie. I'm ok with it not being totally realistic as long as they get the feel of D&D right. And so far it looks like they know what they're doing.
In high school i created a magic sword (+3, nothing outrageous) that allowed you to fire basically a "magic missile" type of damage, but once you did it you lost all the + to hit and damage. And you had to wait a full day to get the plusses back. So it was a way to get a ranged attack out of your sword. But you didn't lose the sword, you still had it, but you lost the plus to hit and damage. Pretty balanced, i'd say. But it made it a different flavor to your bog standard +3 weapon.
I disagree with Shad about the party race comp. Obvious, the humans are min maxers and want that feat at level 1. Also, it is a different world with even more cultures than Earth and actually have magic. Why must they follow the medievel era of Earth?
Unfortunately the studded leather is just being true to d&d. I'm actually working on a homebrew that changes the armors in 5e. I add gambason and heavy gambason as light armor (I know shad would like that). I kept leather, but now it's light leather Lamar and medium leather plate. It also adds resistances to damage types.
One of the least well done things in 5E, imo. Mundane items in general, weapons and armor in particular, armor especially. It feels like a bit of an afterthought honestly. Could definitely use an overhaul.
@@charleswain6124 the issue, as always, is popularity, and how much balance you have to distribute between free time, access to friends and their own free time, and how willing everyone is to seek out, as well as learn, new systems. I tend to find this makes other systems typically a lot more designed-to-be-simplistic. Which personally, isn't for me. I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy it, but I am saying it's a (highly-generalized) mark against their attraction. If you can make it work then great, I'm just saying the expectation for anyone to necessarily make it work isn't entirely realistic. Even finding D&D games can be a pain. I personally think it's quite good, and good enough to work with. Doubtless there's a hefty chunk of clingyness behind that opinion. Is what it is.
That homebrew material already exists, check out the HeavyArms Handbook. It reworks the armor and weapons, and included in that is things like gambeson and brigandine to replace studded leather and such.
You won't find a lot of medieval fantasy here but as far as D&D representation, This looks spot on so far. How the whole movie will live up to the trailer.
So if they are using DnD elements and studded leather is an armor type in DnD then it fits. Even if we know it isnt a historically accurate armor. Also if the character with the shooting sword is a paladin, wouldn't it be reasonable to think that the sword is magic and have some kind of magical return function? Just some thoughts.
Yeah, I think they are going the non-realistic way intentional. Gives me a really 90s tacky fantasy vibe, like Xena or Hercules, so a lot of childhood memories for me. When they combine that with a funny fantasy movie that doesn't take itself too seriously, I am totally okay with it.
I think it maybe a reflection of modern DnD where the setting where the just jam everything into it. Remember He came into to DnD when he young, so the DnD he played was different then it was now.
Not to be an ass, but I just want to admit, I could never get on board with shows like Xena or Hercules when i was a kid. They looked too cheesy. lolol
Maybe, that ejectable sword did not really feel D&D though so we have to wait and see. The owlbear certainly was perfect though. What we know of the story sounds more like X-Men then D&D, I hope it is more to then a villain putting the heroes into a deadly maze for entertainment. I have some hope but I worry they screwed up the IP again.
@@Starcraftgamer97 I dunno, it seems like a bad idea. You are basically disarming yourself by using it so it feels like a home brew weapon by a 14 year old DM. Yes, there is a Russian knife with that function for Spetnaz operatives but it ain't a good idea there either. D&D swords that are over the top tend to more be talking or singing (and they always have a very bad personality). I never honestly in all my years of playing seen something like this, home brew or in one of the weirder D20 sourcebooks and there were a lot of weird weapons in those. It is of course not enough to make the movie bad but it makes one wonder if there will be plenty of stunts like that which would make the movie rather silly. I mean, I seen whip swords (like Sword of the creator in Fire emblem: 3 houses and Ivy's snake sword in Soul Calibur) in D&D and while those also looks a bit dangerous that would have been a far cooler concept more in line what we expect from D&D.
I disagree on so many levels. They captured nu-D&D and Critical Role, VERY different from what Gygax and Arneson originally envisioned. Not that I was expecting anything else.
"It looks like painted foam" well that's because it probably is. A lot of prop departments use a type of foam that is easily painted and heat forms to whatever shape you need it. Super cheap, looks awful, itchy as hell too sometimes, but it's really never supposed to be examined closely just seen from a distance. In that regard you might for the split second you see it think, "oh look metal bracers". Nope they're just cheap plastic molded overtop of foam and given some sparkly gold spray paint.
I've thought for a long time that the right way to make a D&D film or show is to have it be meta: cast actors known to be nerds (Henry Cavill, Vin Diesel, etc) and have them play themselves, playing D&D AND play their characters in game and then cut between the players and characters
So basically like what the series '1 for all' by Deerstalker Pictures does. Interchanging between dnd scenes with the scenes of actual player bantering/arguing sometimes role-playing the scene (comically bad) while playing the game. To me, the Bardic Inspiration is probably their best episode so far. There is also another example here on youtube, but I haven't checked it myself to be sure about it. The Gamers, is the title, I believe?
@@spearsage There's actually a trilogy of The Gamers movies that you can find on UA-cam, though the first one is very rough and an obvious student film.
While watching this trailer, I had the same idea, but more as a means of explaining why the outfits are so bad lol. Like it's some outfits thrown together by some random nerds to wear as they play d&d, and then their in-universe characters have the same outfits by default. The idea of Chris Pine and Co being filmed playing d&d for other people's entertainment is kinda funny tho.
About the flying sword I'm gonna literally copy and paste. "Dancing Longsword" "You can use a bonus action to toss this magic sword into the air and speak the command word. When you do so, the sword begins to hover, flies up to 30 feet, and attacks one creature of your choice within 5 feet of it. The sword uses your attack roll and ability score modifier to damage rolls. While the sword hovers, you can use a bonus action to cause it to fly up to 30 feet to another spot within 30 feet of you. As part of the same bonus action, you can cause the sword to attack one creature within 5 feet of it. After the hovering sword attacks for the fourth time, it flies up to 30 feet and tries to return to your hand. If you have no hand free, it falls to the ground at your feet. If the sword has no unobstructed path to you, it moves as close to you as it can and then falls to the ground. It also ceases to hover if you grasp it or move more than 30 feet away from it."
This is why D&D is awesome endless possibilities but shad is right if this is just some magic mechanical design that somehow shoots a whole blade out for a dagger just why ?.
@@stagthechainsawbeserker3926 I agree with D&D being awesome thanks to its possibilities, but I kind of don't get the rest of your comment, idk if it's my somewhat limited English or you didn't word it well enough, sorry..
@@stagthechainsawbeserker3926 it could be like dancing sword that magically flies out and fights on its own, but you've also got a dagger out of it to compensate the fact that you've just disarmed yourself. Idk why Shad got so triggered. I'm 99% sure it's some sort of magic and not just a shooting blade.
I just watched it and was like: "How is this beating the RoP "main teaser" so hard? It has a through-line, a very clear appeal, introduces character, has even a sort of "trailer arc" with more obscure characters being introduced later etc. Aside from the obligatory haha-relatable-lets-repeat-that-5-times humor bit, this looks like some nice light-hearted bombastic fun.
Very true. While the humor might not be good or make you laugh, they don't seem to be too forceful that it makes you cringe-though the movie isn't out yet so that could change.
Well the Barbarian probably isn't even wearing armor, that's likely her outfit. Barbarians can add their con modifier, in addition to their dex when they are unarmored to their AC. I like the Paladin. The sword, you can take it or leave it. I'm assuming it's a throwing property sword. I think you're over thinking it. D&D is a meme of fantasy, most of the time. It looks campy, fun and over the top. Looks like D&D to me. Solid cast, following the standard adventure film format, I think it'll be fun.
I only ever played 2nd Edition and our campaigns tended towards the silly side of things so this film reminds me of that kind of stuff. Our DM even allowed our mage to have a spell that summoned Rob Zombie so this film would be right up our group’s alley.
This is Forgotten Realms, bare in mind, which is a very quirky setting. I think this looks like a lot of good fun, but yeah it will be absolutely goofy in terms of realism of arms and armor.
The best DnD movies I've seen up to now are: 'The gamers' and 'The gamers: dorkness rising'. Both on UA-cam and unofficial but they get the absolute chaos and freedom I love so much about the game across. Of course costuming snd weaponry are questionable
Dorkness Rising is one of the best things put in UA-cam. It's super cringe, but it kinda pushes through and becomes super soulful. Except that terrible child demon scene...
@@magonus195 yes. But I love how the IRL relationships colour the character interactions and if you know DnD you can see why the group is problematic. Also, going from Murderhobo and railroad to actual players and free story is great. The original 'The gamers' has more Jokes about regular campaigns though
When it comes to the introduction of magic into the world a lot opens up when you really come to think of it. The hot air balloon is not reality breaking when you think about it because people can just cast magic fire in their hands and hold it or have a container to hold their magic flame where they pour magic into it to make it bigger or smaller. The flying knife of course is a nope if it is spring loaded and that is it. But If the blade itself is an enchanted weapon like the flying sword enemy in dnd then that would actually be pretty useful. Because it acts not only like a projectile but as another enemy itself. Shoot this thing off and not only will it fly towards an enemy but it will act like a very lethal hornet that will carve you up. So for a rogue that is actually not a bad idea when magic is involved. The slingshot on the arm is more unforgivable not because it is a bad idea. But because its position makes it difficult to aim. It would have been better if it was mounted on the wrist like ren from star wars rebels. Because then you can aim better and have more room for drawing the sling back. I dont have a big problem with the armor so much. It is fantasy, not historical so the armor presentation is one of the biggest separation factors, could it be more practical, yes but some of it needs to be over the top. Just my opinion. I can be wrong.
When it comes to magic you can definitely get away with a lot more and just going into the stat system also gives you more oportunities for what you can do, people don't necessarily need character sheets and levels but in dnd lore people can have 20 strength which is giant strength and can have extreme endurance allowing people to survive falling like 100ft and just walking it off so things like bikini armor and over sized weapons are a lot more viable
Agree but when it comes to the armor with the production value alone that they are spending on CGI they could get some artists and a 3d printer and just make some medieval armor designs paint them well and there you go honestly there is cosplay that is better then this fake leather metal armor they have.
If it's a Dancing Blade or somethign like that, they should have just had the sword leave his hand and do what it does. Having it shoot the blade off but leaving behind the little half-ass dagger is stupid as hell. And if you pay attention, the blade of the sword and the dagger don't even maintain the same line as the sword blade is leaving. They're off by several degrees which should screw up the path of the blade. That's more about getting your effects right than anything, but it shows that they're not paying much attention.
It could be, as a paladin, a weird way he 'casts' spiritual weapon? But I mean he isn't supposed to be disarmed for that so thatd be a fundamental failure on researching basic mechanics of how the universe functions.
@@buboniccraig896 it takes time to come back in a table top setting that happens in same turn but obviously there not going to be turned based fighting in the movie
1. Studded Leather for Shad is like showing Dracula a cross. 2. Ah yes typical party: Murderous Sociopaths, Arsonists and Kleptomaniacs. 3. Got my start in gaming with D&D/AD&D 2.0 4. Never EVER split the party and never let the Thief out of sight.
I recently got into DnD (as a player) and try to bring in some realistic medieval stuff in. Also my character got recently mauled to death exactly by that owlbear thing: our ranger bragged that he can defeat the beast in a single strike, I decided to support him if need be. Let's say it was a bad idea.
I'm surprisingly impressed with the trailer. I thought it looked pretty good. Imo D&D isn't really medieval, so I'm glad to see more modern touches. I hope they balance the tone, I don't want it to be all jokes & silliness, but makes sense to have some like you would at the tabletop.
@@delcarsdungeon "If it isn't broken, don"t fix it" tends to apply. A person could spend a potentially sizeable chunk of change getting their hands on the ingredients for gunpowder and a lot of brain-power inventing a single shot device that may or may not be prone to misfires and/or exploding in one's hand, or they could spend that same amount of money and use that same brain-power to turn their hands in to magic-guns without having to invent a thing... Also in societies where power is concentrated in a small group of people, that group tends to not like giving it up. Trying to invent something that would allow the commoners to easily rise up against a magocracy when said wizard-filled government can spend a spell slot and know what you're up to before you've figured it out yourself... well it sounds like a quick way to tragically die in a building-fire along with everyone you ever told about your inventing plans after they all spontaneously showed up to your workshop late one night for a drinking-party.
@@delcarsdungeon it actually wouldn't, tho...Magic Missile is a 1st level spell. As in, you can use it as a 1st level Wizard. It's the equivalent of 4 bullets that do not miss and cannot be negated by anything, unless that thing negates all magic period. And that spell is a meme to most monsters. 10 peasants with guns couldn't dent something that a single 5th level barbarian could bend into a pretzel. 100 peasants with muskets, which do 1d10, assuming these peasants are all skilled marksman, with a +2 to hit, wouldn't do more than 100 or so damage. The average person in DnD has 6 hp. That can be up to 10 hp based on constitution. Most creatures past level 6 could kill a group of peasants with muskets on accident. (Forgetting the fact that Wizards can, yknow, Wish people out of existence, insta-kill villages with Cloud Kill, or teleport meteors from deep space onto their opponents)
@@delcarsdungeon ah they do have gun powder cannons in Faerun and other DnD settings. Warhammer has blackpowder guns guess what they don't wipe out magical monsters
After watching the trailer, have to say, I'm actually looking forward to it. I know the armor is bad, but when it comes to DnD stuff and "rulebreaks" I think of it as DM's discretion at the table. Everyone has house rules, and I suppose even Holloywood is allowed to have their own lol.
Been playing D&D since AD&D 2nd Ed was new. And D&D is less of a a Medieval Fantasy and more of a General Fantasy, I've played in campaigns that are more Renaissance/Swashbuckling Pirate styled than Medieval styled, and that trailer had more of that type of feel to it. As for the Sword/Knife thing, that actually made me want to see it more, not detract from it.
That one great cat monster in the arena with the tentacles is a Displacer Beast, a real classic DnD monster. And one tough thing too. And a black dragon? And it looked like an adault one... that one is dangerous.
Nice to see a Mimic. It was the classic monster you were looking for. This is a very good review. It will be hit or miss for most people and us fans of classic DnD (3.5E) will enjoy it; if only for the sake of nostalgia.
The thing is, most players aren’t medieval weapons and armor enthusiasts and as such are often less concerned with realism than what they, as laypersons, think looks cool. The sword shooting off, in particular, just by virtue of being able to do that and extend a new, smaller blade, is obviously a magic sword and can probably fight on its own and/or return to the wielder. In short, this film looks to me like it was written for people who know and play the game and aren’t too concerned with realism or historical accuracy, as the game quite often breaks from realism and accuracy.
I had such a laugh about the bit, "we're all doomed, let's go to the pub." That set the entire tone for me that this is basically a DnD session recorded for the script. I can't wait! Also, completely disagree with you on this one, Shad.
I loved the 2000 D&D (Irons and Payne were the best). If Wayans had been able to stay on set more to keep the group dynamic from melting into crap I think it would have made more people happy. Hopefully they are able to keep it from descending into snowflake territory and keep a REAL plot moving while having their fun otherwise no.
The notification came in! I think your back in the algorithm! I have to say: with the Dungeons and Dragons movie, I don’t really care about realism since it’s a game where a person can carry dozens of weapons on their person, wear plate armour under Noble robes and so on
Leather armour, even studded, makes sense in some D&D settings because they have creatures whose hides maybe way beyond anything we know thus may have properties making it valid as armour, and the "studs" maybe needed for enchantment, or be strange metals giving some advantages or different materials entirely see "Dark Sun" for example, where metal is extremely rare, there are many mutated creatures which are commonly used to make arms and armour, and psionics exist allowing psionic crafting (a point many folk don't get)
The same reasoning for the Witcher's S1 armor, being silver studs to help against monsters. Also, in Dragonslayer (1981), they collected dragon scale to make a fireproof shield.
In my homebrew setting there is an armor made of human skin, made through f up ritual with a lot of runes, knifes, pain and etc. Especially potent if wearer is survived owner of said skin.
The trailer gives the feel of an accurate representation of a D&D game/campaign. If you don't like D&D's horrible inaccuracies, of course it's not going "look good". Not saying the movie will be good. But I think it'll be a fun time no matter what
Silly forearm mounting aside, a druid has a very good reason to have a slingshot (and not a traditional sling) assuming the fire seeds spell still exists.
Not in 5e, unless it's been one of the recent additions. Druids do get "magic stone" which is basically using an action to make a +1 sling for 3 shots.
@@Nurk0m0rath 4th edition compelled me to switch to Pathfinder, so I don't know 5th much at all, it was still there in 3.5, and the Pathfinder version is almost identical.
@@davehood2667 Lucky you. I never got the chance to play until 5th edition. One of the "perks" of growing up in the middle of nowhere, I guess. And no, that's not an exaggeration. We used to cross "podunk creek" to reach home. I've heard a lot about 3.5 on youtube though, and I'm not sure I'd have the patience for all the feat stacking. And pathfinder, so I'm told, is 3.5+.
I'd say the costumes are going more for a cosplay-ing look than historical accuracy. Can't say I'd make that choice, but it does fit with the general tone of the trailer. As long as they're consistent I guess.
I showed my wife the trailer, who is not a nerd, nor is she into too many fantasy movies. When she saw the sword fly out she said" wow that was cool!". I'd call that a win.
Honestly, as a DM, this looks fine, my players have way more insane armour and weapons, this seems pretty tame tbh. And the story? DnD party does something wrong, needs to fix it. Perfect, that is 99% of what players actually do. i prefer it a lot over the Rings of Poopoo
@@JK96Jt "I just know that that magical wall will fry your brain if you touch it." "Hah, I can handle it!" *reaches for it* Party members scream "NONONONO" and pile onto him.
I might be shoehorning this in, but it seems like a decent enough opportunity to talk about character driven stories as opposed to plot driven stories. Something I’ve been noticing recently is a lot of people criticizing movies because they’re not as grand or complicated, for lack of better words. And while it’s important to have a cohesive plot, it doesn’t need to be groundbreaking; or even original. The stakes don’t need to be “an avengers level threat.” Characters can drive the story just as well as the plot. Heist movies are a dime a dozen, but we still watch them for the character drama. One of my favorite examples of this is the movie Second Hand Lions. It’s not a groundbreaking film by any means; it’s a simple coming of age story about a young boy left with his two weird uncles by his neglectful mom. And there isn’t really much in the way of a plot, just the characters interacting with each other. But it builds in such a way that when the film’s climax arrives, you’re invested in the outcome, because you’re invested in the characters. I don’t really want to spoil the movie if you haven’t seen it; it’s definitely worth a watch. But the point I’m trying to make is this: we’ve got to recognize that there’s more to storytelling than high-stakes, complex storylines. If the characters are done well, we’ll care about the stakes no matter how low they are. It doesn’t make filmmakers/authors free from obligation, however. The characters have to be well crafted, and the story has to be cohesive enough for the characters to express themselves in a logical fashion. The focus also has to be on the characters themselves. Authors can’t excuse a poor plot by claiming it was a character driven story.
i better see Shad favouriting this comment. in my eyes, you didn't shoehorn it in... you said something that everyone *needs* to hear. i repeat: Shad better favourite this. because those are wise words.
I've only played 5th edition dnd, if that's the system their taking more from then the bard having a sword could indicate college of valour or swords for the subclass. The horse shifting to an owlbear would probably be the polymorph spell, not so much a druidic feature, 4th level spell, turn one creature into something else for a bit and then it reverts. I haven't seen any dagger sword sheath hybrids(?) however
I love the call out to many of the D&D monsters, Gelatinous Cube, Displacer Beast, Owl Bear, ect. and think they look great. My fear is with how laden with humor the trailer is that they will not take themselves seriously enough and will undercut any drama or tension with a bunch of cheap laughs. That said I'm going to try to stay guardedly optimistic and will definitely be seeing it when it releases.
In defense of the shooting sword concept, we clearly see the sword is magical and most magic weapons in 5e that can be thrown have some way have a method of retrieving them. The dagger being left behind is more likely an aesthetic someone thought looked cooler or more practical than just a hilt, which is a personal preference when coming to something so magical in concept, perhaps as a magical retrieval antenna. The effect didn't look that bad, though I watched it on my phone and it could look worse on a biger screen. If that's the case then they might improve it, but the idea sounds worse than magic makes it.
@@michaelsorensen7567 sure, but someone could easily have decided this looked better for whatever reason and that comes down to personal taste at that point.
People have thought it could be a Dancing Blade, which seems the obvious solution here. It'd be more effective too since he has a weapon to defend himself with when the sword is slicing and dicing on its own.
Oh come on. I agree with you on most things Shad. But this is a high magic DnD campaign turned into a movie. BS is to be expected dare I say embraced. Cheese when lathered on appropriately makes things extra delicious then you take that cheese and wrap it in bacon sweet sweet juicy bacon...wait what was my point?
If you look carefully to the blade when it's shoots out , you'll notice at the bottom of the "full blade" a part that you would assume would be the "dagger" underneat. Then when the blade is shot, the "dagger" part disapear (it's not with the shot blade and no longer on the pummel, then the dagger regrowt to a bigger size. lol
To be fair regarding the dumb paladin sword.. the DM's manual of magical items has numerous melee weapons (swords, hammers.. not just small blades) that have magical properties where they can fly great distances like a small thrown weapon would - so the paladin's sword isn't particularly outlandish, considering D&D is filled with weird things like talking swords etc.
I think its too hard to know much about the sword. We see it for about half a second, and from that brief flash we are meant to jump to conclusions about the movie as a whole? It could be well done or it could be stupid, I don't think a flash is enough to be making calls on the quality of the movie.
I think even with the sword shooting thing, I could still enjoy the movie. I really hope that they show the extreme differences between natural 20 and crit fail rolls.
Honestly, i think the weapons and armor look perfect. 100% accurate. Even the axe. it looks exactly like.... metal paint on a plastic figurine. So when they sell the toys for this, the figures... there won't have to be any "changes" to make things structurally sound when they shrink it down.
Normally I agree with Shad on most things but on this one I think he missed the mark. My greatest memories from D&D growing up were the crazy wacky things that happened, like once my group found a crashed solar sailing spaceship and repaired it and went to the moon. My point being, D&D doesn't have to fit into the historical medieval mold, and that's where I think Shad's mind is at. My point is, as long as there are nods to traditional D&D monsters and things, and the characters go on a zany fantasy adventure, I'm gonna be down with this movie. I do appreciate Shad's perspective though.
I’ve always thought that it made the most sense for the Bard or Healer characters to be the leaders of the party. Since they generally stand back and have a better view of the battlefield and their support Magic lends itself well to managing others.
What we need in a D&D Movie (this is half-joke, half-serious, going more to the joke side): -References to the games Baldur's Gate, Tower of Doom and Shadow of Mystara. -A lot of swearing between a Dwarf and an Elf. -A scene with a Mind Flayer refusing to eat the brain of a Barbarian, for "obvious reasons". -Some nerd character saying things like "No, no, this is another type of Dragon". -A character seeing a Gelatinous Cube and saying: "Can we bring it with us? It's so cute!" -Vin Diesel as an illegal Centaur racer (for those who don't know, Vin Diesel is a D&D fan). -Someone having a nightmare about "working as a white collar in an office". -Goblins with gunpowder. -Tarrasque coming from nowhere. -A joke about African and European Swallows. -Paladin's and Warriors freaking out when a Rust Monster appears. -The Halfling of the group using a Bag of Holding to disguise himself during a fight. -Crossing between the Planes of Existance, with the most braindead character saying: "Ok, that was fun... Let's do it again!" -Every male character being afraid of falling in love, because Succubi are everywhere. -Everybody tying up the Bard on a tree, during the final celebration.
If anyone is interested in seeing how I like to tackle medieval fantasy roleplaying you can check out this mini campaign playlist I ran with the other members of the sword community:
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Grounded and immersive medieval fantasy is my style ^_^
I loved this series so much! Any plans to do another one soon?
At least this time they arent trying to do a serious epic movie, but instead is kinda a heist funny action movie, kinda like the tone the thor movies have been getting lately. I feel this can be good
Shad you rock! Same for the others on knights watch. Just needed you to know.
@@gexianhen the Thor movies have sucked though...
Oh sheesh didnt know about that. Now I gonna have more roleplay campaign to watch.
Medieval purists: "Studded leather!"
D&D purists: "An owlbear is a monstrosity, not an animal! It is not a legal wildshape!"
That’s just one the house rules the DM uses :)
Shapeshift exists in other editions. DnD nerds know nothing about the game outside of the edition they play.
@@Ixnatifual polymorph?
D&D Chads: Chill bro, rule of cool.
@@JohahnDiechter if she's got the spell slots for that she can do much more useful things than being an owlbear.
I just saw the trailer on another site and thought: "Damn this actually looks pretty fun...I bet Shad is going to rip into the sword-thingy"
Yeah, because it was awful! Lol
I saw the trailer last night! And thought, "man, can't wait for all the diverse characters shit on Chris Pine for being the useless white male."
Could be a magic sentient sword? That would be the only thing I could see that would make sense...but I doubt it 😅
Imagine he is just turning around and accidentally presses the release trigger and that's what we saw in the trailer lol
You think this looks fun? Chris Pratt is talking like he is from modern times. I predict he'll say Dude at some point in the movie. The way he delivers his lines is laughable in this setting.
Studded Leather: "Hello fellow armor styles."
Shad: "DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEATH! DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEATH!!"
You can tell what they are by their class icons. Chris Pine is a Bard, Rodrigez is a Barbarian, Rege-Jean Page is a Paladin, Justice Smith's character is a Sorcerer and Sopha Lillies' character is a Druid. Hugh Grant's character is a Rogue. The castle btw is Castle Never, the city itself is Neverwinter. The cat-like creature is a Displacer Beast.
I'd say for dnd related things fantasy armor and weapons are more viable because they're confirmed to have fantasy materials for magical equipment as well as the general stat system. To clarify on the stats I'm not necessarily saying the characters in movie need character sheets but in game players can reach above 20 strength which is like giant strength so in the lore it wouldn't be unreasonable for a human to be insanely strong and swing around a huge axe made of adamantine
I am fairly certain that it states somewhere that if your strength is at 20 you can lift around a metric ton. Nobody applies this, because it's a bit much, but if they're going with RAW. Definitely doable.
@@Some_Really_Random_Dude. That is basically RAW. Can't say if that's RAI, though. But Yeah, Giants in D&D have Base Strength Score of 20. And most of the time, you can't get past a score of 20 without the Aid of a Magic Item, Potion, or Late Level Class Feature.
@@Some_Really_Random_Dude. You can lift 600 lbs normally with 20 strength, your carry weight is your strength score * 15 and your lifting weight is that * 2
The best way to counter that sort of thing is with physics.
Sure, you can LIFT ten times your own weight, but what happens when you try to move it?
They can just say she half orc or a quarter orc. Explains flinging people around and using a heavy axe
For me, it's not an owlbear, mimic, or black dragon that get my attention in this trailer. It's seeing clear visual ques like clearly city of neverwinter, The Rebel's End Prision from Icewind Dale, The symbol of Lathander on bannars, Chris Pine wearing a Harper's pin, Red Mages of Thay - including one that is likely Szas Tam the lich himself, an underdark city that might be Menzoberranzan (Drizzt sequel?) or Gracklstugh, and good old chunky boi Themberchaud.
It may not be *historically* accurate (not like DnD ever is) but the important details for a DnD movie is that it's showing in this bit of footage to be extremely accurate to the DnD books we've had for years.
Imagine the reason for some aspects looking shoddy is that halfway through we’re going to cut to some kids sitting around a table playing dnd
Icewind dale is so nostalgic, loved doing a 2 man coop with my brother back in the day
oh that'd be great if they bring Szas Tam in as the bad guy because he's such a bad bad guy
Some nice cues as well
i didnt notice the harpers pin
The sword is a hundred percent something a DM handed out with pride. And a hundred percent the player was like, "But I don't have a weapon now." And the DM quickly added, "It leaves you with a... +1 dagger!" And it was only ever used once and another player always brings that up when it's complained about.
I'm looking at you thaumaturgy.
Hey I love thaumaturgy, it was great playing a crazed zealous tempest cleric who would go on "the end is nigh" rants while making his voice boom loudly, all the torches go wild and green, and cause mild tremors, great for RP
@@axelmartinez8538 Now you sound like my friend. I appreciate good RP but they should have combined Thaumaturgy and Prestidigitation. I can "RP" that my voice is booming and it does the same thing as Thaumaturgy. There is nothing useful outside of RP that you do with that spell. (maybe the door or window thing but that would be such a specific situation.) It's all subjective to the DM if the booming voice or ooky spooky effects did anything to anybody. The ability to turn campfires and torches on and off alone with Prestidigitation is worth that spell. They could have combined them and if they wanted different effects for different types of spellcasters they could have done: "If you're a cleric you can do these additional effects." or something like that.
My friend got advantage one time by using Thaumaturgy and that has made him preach about how it's a good spell. I've never done anything useful except for what amounts to flavor text. Prestidigitation, I keep my character clean after every encounter. We don't need to roll to start a fire or put one out in dire circumstances. I can brag about how my food tastes better than everyone elses. And I can hand my fellow adventurers little middle finger up trinket hands if they do something that annoys me.
@@RogaineForEwoks all three of druidcraft, prestidigitation, and thaumaturgy are almost exclusively RP tools. none of them do much of anything mechanically useful.
thaumaturgy/prestidigitcation have some minor tools to let you distract people and druidcraft lets you predict the weather but...thats basically it. you don't take them for how useful they are.
@@sillyking1991 I get it, they aren't amazing spells, they're cantrips. But let's not play around. 99% of the population in a D&D universe would choose Prestidigitation over Thaumaturgy. Hot and cold food. Flavored. Clean clothes. And you don't have to spend twenty minutes trying to start a fire? Presti has got it all the way.
I've never had the DM ask me anything that Thaum would work on. Never. Never been asked, "How do you talk loud enough?" or "The monsters would listen but your eyes aren't glowing."
I have been asked BOTH "How do you start the fire?" and "How do you put the fire out?" Most times the starting of fires is just a handwave thing, campfire is started because the PCs are camping for the night. But that time it wasn't, there was a dire circumstance and it wasn't just gonna be a handwave thing. The other time was a group of baddies were after us and I put out the fire, much to the DMs chagrin.
I've also been told, "You're covered in blood you can't just walk past the guards!" And I laugh and say, "What blood?" then sing "Prestidigitation!"
Presti is besty.
Paladin: "I'm going to... stab him with my dagger, I guess."
DM: "Go ahead and roll."
Paladin: "That's a nine."
DM: "And add proficiency."
Paladin: "I'm a Paladin, I'm not proficient with daggers."
DM: "...Okay, add your Dexterity Modifier."
Paladin: "That is a minus one."
DM: "...Fuck."
As a player of the DnDs I'm definitely looking forward to this movie. It's rare that I disagree with Mr. Shad, but in a world where you can throw a dagger and have it return to you through magic, a missile sword isn't an instant no-go. Lol
Plus, the B-movie sequel to the first movie wasn't good because of it's budget. It was good because of everything else.
Also about the barbarian armor. He said he prefers authenticity about the axe then says he prefers Conan the barbarians armor theme. So a fur thong and hairy nipple tassels?
Isn't there a 1st lvl spell or cantrip that's shoots out swords and hits everybody that within 5 feet
Exactly. I thought at first Shad didn't know about D&D, but then he has all the manuals and said he has played. I guess being an expert on medieval he sees different things that we do. But I was really delighted to see callback to D&D monsters on screen.
@Gregfam yep. Saying he hasn't played as much as he used to and referencing Dragonlance, I assume he is old school and likes his fantasy as realistic as possible. 5e can be pretty silly so it clashes with his taste.
My first thought when I saw the trailer was "I can't wait to see Shad's face with the shooting sword" I was not disappointed
My first thought Hollywood fucking hate us.
Jumping into a Gelatinous Cube to avoid a Displacer Beast is like jumping into a pool of sulfuric acid to avoid a tiger.
to be fair...its also *exactly* the type of thing i could see a DnD player doing out of desperation. it really depends on how much damge the cube does, as opposed to the beast
I think the Gelatinous Cube was dead. I mean it didn't look it was moving at all when they jumped into it and it definitely would have been moving if it was alive. Plus if it was dead then it either wouldn't do any damage to them while they're inside or the damage would be minimal and lessening as time passed since it's death.
@@sillyking1991 Depends on which edition the Cube is from. Early edition Cubes only did like 2d8 dmg per round. 5E Cubes do like 6d6 dmg per round once a creature is inside them.
The 5e displacer beast is a bit more situational. If it hits with 2 claw attacks on a target then it can rake with it's back 4 legs for a total of 6 claw attacks doing a total of 6d4+24 dmg. Or it can go with 2 tentacle atks at 1d4+4 each and/or a bite atk at 1d8+4 dmg. The main threat of a displacer beast is that it's usually not where you think it is because it displaces it's image to a different nearby spot. So atks against it are made at a disadvantage. Comparing between different editions is a chore but older editions displacer beasts are a bit easier to deal with because they only apply a -2 to hit to players. Starting in 3e is when they started becoming more like the 5e version though with the displacement illusion aspect.
So....it depends on which edition. 5e the Cube is far more dangerous and damaging plus is WAY harder to hurt than the displacer beast. If they're older editions then the cube would be the better choice to deal with.
Personally I think the cube was already dead by the time they jumped into it.
It's possible they didn't see the gelatinous cube, since these things are very hard to spot because they're transparent
You need to think like a fresh, naive, DnD party. That is very possible and a cool idea that goes south instantly after the party ACTUALLY feels the weight of their actions. And I hope they play into that in the film. I wanna see horrible horrible consequences.
I can't imagine being upset about a projectile sword in D&D when there are whole catalogues of bizarre magic items including a cape that magically billows as if it were blowing in the wind.
I love cool items. Especially these that are cool just to be cool.
"Why is your cape billowing? We are indoors!"
"Because it's cool, fuck you!"
@@TheHalogen131 the Dread Helm, while basic, has my favorite effect of all items in the game.
"It gives your eyes a piercing red glow"
"So, like, I get an intimidation bonus or something?"
"Maybe :)"
It has to be my favorite common object
The cape of coolness
Hey that cape of billowing is a mainstay on my characters, my warlock never makes a dramatic monologue or disses the big bad with out billowing... dramatically
@@HovektheArtist exactly, though my AT rogues is a cloak of billowing, and he uses it to pretend he's a full blown wizard of immense power to the magically ignorant, coupling it with his multiple uncommon languages and minor illusion
Shad, with the barbarian character, I believe they're portraying them purposefully with garb that isn't actually armor because 5e barbarians usually get better "armor class" ratings by not wearing armor
I think he doesn't like the style more than armor being armor. But my problem is he say he prefers them wearing Conan the barbarian them. So a fur thong and hairy nipple tassels?
@@abnon-tha3088 Not talking about Conan himself. The females armor In those old movies were almost always scantily clad.
@@JoshTheHoffman So was Conan himself, what's your point?
@@mojebi3804 It is pretty obvious... fur thongs and fur banana hammocks = terrible armor. Bad aesthetic bad protection from the elements. It is just fan service for horny people.🤣🤣
Shad: “A slingshot on her arm? That’s so cringe!”
But magic stone is such a great cantrip! And on the Druid spell list! This makes perfect sense in DnD
Magic stone isn‘t that great (mainly at higher levels) and I think, that slings don‘t change the damage (they only change the range, if I remember correctly).
@@daedalus5253 Magic Stone is a great cantrip for bypassing magic resistance since you can hand the stones out to the party as a free action.
Give me Shillelagh or give me death.
Are you saying she wears her gear for the stats?
And since she is a shapeshifter carrying separate weapons from his outfit would be more a problem.
I think the thing I love about this is it FEELS like the characters your friends would have made in your high school D&D party. Does it look inaccurate? Yeah, but it looks like the drawing your artsy friend did of their character. I think the thing I like about what i've seen is that they're embracing it being D&D, not just a fantasy movie.
Yes, this looks like a fan made video with a budget.
Yes.
So everybody in the middle ages wore leather jackets so they would look cool! The movie looks too freaking modern damnit! These are guys and girls in leather jackets with swords and just compare that with a medeaval painting.
@@thomaskalbfus2005 He literally said in the very same comment you are replying to that the movie is inaccurate
@@thomaskalbfus2005 I mean, yeah but that city is Neverwinter I believe. It's literally home to a guild of drow swashbucklers that use psychics as one of their enforcers. The nearby mountains are mined for their ore by spacefaring dwarves that live among the astroids above Faerun
Forgotten realms has pastiche of medieval but it really it's as authentic as an SCA group. I mean, there's several cities with airship ports and more than one with a spelljammer port for space travel. I don't know that I'd expect that setting to line up with Earth history.
Im kinda wondering if the "Sword" is supposed to be a "Dancing Blade"?
5e Dancing Blade
The sword flies from your hand and moves 30ft and makes an attack. After 4 attacks it returns to your hand.
It did look magical.
Your right about the armor, but I still really liked the trailer over all.
Right, but nothing about that involves just the BLADE flying off, and you getting a dagger in the meantime
@@michaelsorensen7567 But that's just more practical isn't it? Modern problems require modern solutions.
I mean I think I saw runes on it and those seem to be on the other magical items in this trailer
@@inventiveowl395 may be more practical, but decidedly less rules as written
@@michaelsorensen7567 seems more like flavour or a unique magic item version. DMs and players come up with that kind of stuff all the time.
To all watching the DnD trailer, I have to bring you guys the attention to what the actors and producers are saying on interviews in this comic con and I strongly recommend everyone to watch then.
In almost all of them, the love and respect for the source material and the fans is palpable.
Michele Rodrigues had an excellent on where she says " a lot of companies get those IPs only to get money, without caring for the IP"
And the producers said " It's for everyone but it's mostly for the fans, they are the ones keeping DnD alive longer than I am living. Bring the fans and the rest will come"
I am very happy with this and will give all the chances to this film.
This is the respect that we want and it should be celebrated
This has all the feels of it being a soulless marvel movie clone. I'm 99% sure it's gonna be consoomer garbage.
@@baklapjr Consoomer garbage eh? Sounds like all things DnD after 3.5 to me!
(This is a joke. I play 5e. I have a podcast of me playing 5e on the internet if anyone wants proof. Please don't crucify me)
To tell the truth, I only hope they will not repeat Baldur's Gate novel fiasco, when they hired inexperienced writer to make this story cannon as fast as possible, and in the end they made an abomination of literature and spited on this wonderful story.
@@baklapjr how the hell does this remind you of Marvel??? It's a totally different IP and it looks like a good comedy action adventure!
@@nikitamohanan2124 go watch any random marvel trailer now and then look at this again.
the castle is "Candle Keep" its a literally a magical fucking rocket ship, don't question the hot air balloon
When you think about it, the atypical D&D setting is kinda like a weird hodgepodge of different eras thrown into an anachronistic stew.
You got:
- Wild West with frontier towns and taverns as well as warring tribal groups.
- all the time periods of medieval Europe.
- the innovativeness of the renaissance.
- swashbuckling rogues and pirates from 17th and 18th centuries.
- Viking raiders of 10th and 12th centuries.
- and we can’t forget Conan’s Undreamed of Age.
But how it intersects is important you have magic barriers events that almost end the world all the time based on great evils and good fighting endless battles small to large then you have some places where certain things would be useless like a non-magic wild west won't do well against magic but if you have it be mixed just maybe it could work but its delicate I prefer stories that blend it all or even if at disadvantage they still can work for example a distracted wizard could still get a bullet and die without enough time to block if fighting multiple opponents and if some abilities are used in tandem a regular gunslinger could work fine. Futuristic can work by create balances so losing ammo for guns and need to make more bullets if needing to recharge energy needing spells that could power such weapons or natural elements and locations that could in some way make playability the key is IMAGINATION but they seem to want to rule lawyer everything, balance everything on paper or give massive drawbacks to attacks for example monks in 5e.
@@stagthechainsawbeserker3926 I’m sorry, I’m not sure exactly what you’re trying to say. I don’t know if you’re making an argument, adding to what I said, or I don’t really know.
To help, what I was attempting to point out was the average D&D setting, baring magic for now, is in a time period that never really existed. It is rather an amalgamation of different historical periods, in particular, elements of those time periods we are most familiar. For example, a little village in D&D will look more like a Wild West frontier town with a general store and specialty shops than a medieval peasant village. Another would be armor and weapons, the various types of armor (chain mail, brigandine, full plate) or swords (arming sword, long sword, epee, falchion, claymore, cutlass) are separated by decades if not centuries. What is interesting is despite all these little anachronisms, we’re willing to accept them as normal parts of our run of the mill make believe worlds to have in. And that’s ok.
As for guns, balancing is almost a non-issue. From match lock to civil war era rifles, Simply require line of sight firing with penalties to accuracy if target is behind an obstruction, longer reload time, a beefed up ranged damage with options to use as a wooden club or a short spear (if bayonet is attached) for melee damage. Revolvers could take, say, a full action to reload once all ammunition is spent (a PC might get off 2 or 3 rounds per turn depending on make and model like double action revolvers. single action revolvers would be one shot per turn since you have to manually cock the hammer after every shot). Good examples of gun rules to take inspiration from are Cyberpunk Red or even 2020 and Call of Cthulhu.
True. I believe it's more like aesthetics than actual tech and culture. History buffs often forget this is another world, different history and multiple dimensions and beings all existing. There was no England, no Gauls, no China etc. So our history is just inspiration and not the truth. So airships and teleports are normal as are swashbucklers alongside of muscled Conan like barbarians.
Don't forget Asia
Also religion that's more like Ancient Greece or Rome (or other polytheistic cultures) than anything from medieval Europe or thereabouts.
I think there is an important distinction between medieval high fantasy and DnD. A sword that shoots off (implying a magic item)? Ridiculous weapons? Studded leather? What appears to be Vecna? Feels like DnD to me and I personally don't WANT it to feel historically accurate because it isn't in our world. I just want it to feel like a "real" dnd party and campaign.
Different named lich. It's Szass Tam not Vecna. It's clearly a Red wizards of Thay plot and he's their leader/ it's strikingly similar to his official 5e art.
With the level of bullshit even mid level casters in d&d can pull off, realism basically means making every non casting class useless.
It doesn't have to be accurate to our own medieval world...........but the stuff still has to look like whoever made it actually knew what they were doing. It doesn't lol. It's all just fashion, no function.
If its as good as vox machina im down
@@MrBottlecapBill yeah its a dnd movie. So they use dnd art.
That means alot of drawing from 80s style fantasy and ALOT if camp
Shad: recognizes Michelle as a barbarian, a class characterized by not needing to wear armor to be an effective tank
Also Shad: judges her combat attire
There’ll be no females in my games, ever - that would ruin it
but only on fifth edition, in 3.5 (the edition shad played judging by his Monster Manual) the barbarians still wear armour up to medium armour (or heavy if you want a dwarf in full plate moving with 30 ft)
5th edition is bullshit.
@@MisterWebb wow sexist
In fairness, if the "blade" that was launched is actually enchanted on it's own to act like a Dancing weapon, the paladin's scene could actually work. Fyi, for those of you who don't know what a dancing weapon does: think Yondu's arrow. Now imagine the arrow is a sword. Or a dagger. Or a spear. Or a hammer. Or a fork-wait, no, that's animate objects... You get the point.
it *could* work as a Dancing Weapon or have Returning on it, but while it's out fighting the user (Paladin) is now stuck in melee with a dagger, which limits their potential to attack and defend. DnD doesn't change your AC based on what weapon you're using, but a live action movie has to take into account the choreography, if the Pali has been fighting with blocks and parries and suddenly switches to a completely different fighting style it'll be a bit jarring.
@@reddragonfall They have weapon proficency with all simple and martial weapons so they are literally supposed to be able to switch fighting styles on the fly
@@reddragonfall Get out of my Shad video Red
@@reddragonfall They’re supposed to be warriors proficient in lots of forms of weaponry
@@reddragonfall It'd still be better than a normal Dancing Blade because normally you'd have no weapon afterwards. At least here he has something to protect himself with.
I’m giving that sword a pass, since it’s a magic weapon in a high fantasy setting, and at least he still has a blade after launching the sword blade. I just hope the sword blade either returns to the wielder automatically after the strike, or fights on its own alongside the wielder.
Edit: I’m definitely more excited about the D&D movie, and not at all for Rings of Power.
Yeah, could definitely be a flying sword. It'd actually be really smart in that case since you won't lose your own means of self-defense while the sword does its thing.
If it's a dancing blade, then that'd actually be a really smart design for it.
Rings of Power looks like a mockery
I do wish the flying part of the blade was made to look like something that should fly. The big round tip is made for chopping, not piercing, and it should be narrower if it's supposed to be thrown. The crossguard doesn't look very aerodynamic.
@@zappodude7591 If it's a Dancing Blade it can stab and slash, so shape doesn't matter terribly much beyond user preference. It's basically a sentient floating sword, it can do whatever it pleases to murder its foes.
The sword that comes apart could be a dancing sword, magical weapon that can fly and fight by itself
or returning weapon (afaik this infusion have it counterpart in magial weapons)
Also be cursed and sentient, if ur gonna go ham might as well go big.
I’m pretty much willing to put money on it being a dancing sword considering how iconic that magic weapon is.
My theory is that the shooting sword could actually be a magical item called a Dancing Sword. It’s a magical that animates, levitates, and fights on its own.
I think that scene could be redeemed if that turned out to be the case.
That'd be cool to see in a movie!
I just assumed that maybe it sort of flew back. Would freaking love to have a ranged attack built into a sword in DnD :P
I think that the cheese may actually be intentional (and in my view fitting) it does accurately depict the ridiculous -but somehow still powerful- homebrew magical items
It looks to me like the movie is aiming for D&D accurate and not historical accurate, and I am fine with that. I have to say that the monsters look fantastic. And the Mimic scene in the trailer is the first time that I have ever realized the respect it deserves. There are a few things that some people that are D&D purist are complaining about, but this movie is suppose to be reflecting changes that are going to become available in the next edition of D&D, which is scheduled around the same time the movie comes out, then as long as those changes actually happen in the next edition then I am good with them.
True, true. I would be perfectly happy if the movie is just a ton-a-fun!
Wait. What? I've been away from D&D for a while, but they're timing 6th Ed with this? Really? It makes me want to force feed whoever made that change a couple jars of Tums, washed down with Pepto, then dropped in that gelatinous cube.
@@tenchraven pretty sure it is supposed to be more of a revision to 5th edition like advanced dnd is to first edition and isn't actually 2nd edition. I am pretty sure they want to keep stat blocks, character sheets, and books applicable.
@@indiana47 5.5E?
@@PyrusFlameborn pretty much.
This was incredible. Shad’s reaction to that sword shooting off, is top tier.
Especially after the was annoyed by the studded leather... AND THEN! :D
This reaction was worth the whole video alone lol
Well it could be a cool magic item in DnD but only if you can call it back as a free action so you can use it as an improvise ranged weapon and a surprise tactic when the blade just pop back into your hand.
@@ShadowWalker-ng1it Or as some have mentioned it could be a dancing sword, which would just go off and fight on its own.
As for only leaving him with a dagger, Dex paladins are a thing in 5E, as weird as they are.
🤔
@@Techstriker1 fair point although I guess dancing sword didn't look good using strings to have it "fly"
For me this trailer is showcasing a bunch of troupes, the sword-shooting dagger is for me a sign that one player begged the DM for a cool magic item to show off in a fight, it even glows in runes to show off how badass it is.
But the real troupe I´m waiting for is the fight to open a door... Every time I run a game the closed door seems to do more damage than any monster... The doors or the woodland critters they always manage to piss off
Testing to run Cthulu next, let´s see what happens there.
But this movie seems to me at least at a guilty pleasure level to drink to, if I do this with the Amazon series I will die of liver failure!
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In my current campaign (I'm DM) I think I've only had about half the doors locked? The players finally learned to just test the doorknob, but oh boy, watching a wizard (with gauntlets of ogre strength) bounce off a locked door cause they rolled bad to jump kick it down is always fun.
@@shimasclan Same, I run a One shot every few months and the furniture and doors tend to make more damage while they try to get information or loot, than the monster in it. Due to a few bad rolls, the one table became made of the hardest woods known to this world (had to improvise a name for it on the fly xD), and one of the players used it, in the end, to improve his weapon with the weapon smith in town. But the doors are the real danger. One dislocated shoulder, a sprained foot, and a few bruises and scapes and they never check if the door is really locked... This and setting fire to the woods and violence against squirrels seem to be a thing every time I DM for a group of our discord xD
But I love it!
It’s because you’re doing it wrong. The best Lockpick method is to smash it down with your hammer if it refuses to let you in.
@@Broomer52
Well, the barbarian tried this and rolled very low. His weapon rebounds and hits him in the process. And they didn't try to use the door handle before just using brute force. Since I'm the DM, I won't tell them which doors are locked and which aren't if they don't try to open them the regular way or investigate it. Use only your muscles to open a door, well pray that the dice are with you.
Shad, remember that D&D has many weapons that you can throw or shoot at people, which magically return to you after they hit their target (the Dwarven Thrower, or the Eldritch Knight’s bound weapon are some examples). But really, I wouldn’t expect too much realism in D&D, where basically everything can be explained with „Magic”.
You can find comfort in knowing that it uses a hard magic system, and I know you’re a fan of those.
D&D 5e is way more video-gamey than 4e and this movie just shows how outlandish D&D is gotten.
@Szymon Lech Dzięcioł You're probably right. Now that I think about it, there's many magical effects that you can't reproduce with spells that are in the PHB. I guess the hardness of the magic system depends on a particular DM.
@@Snyperwolf91 I mean, maybe. Is that a bad thing?
Game magic systems are often different from hard magic systems.
Only because writers are too pretentious to canonize game mechanics, but still.
He probably from a older edition , so he probably never seen it or it was not that common back in the day.
I think any complaints about it not being “medieval” are entirely unfounded in a FR setting. FR is far from a medieval aesthetic.
I don’t know if this movie will be good, All I know is I want a plush of the chubster red dragon
The chubby Dragon is an actual NPC in the game, but I dont remember the name
Same bro, same.
@@mynameisd2849 Thumberchud? Or something to that effect. He's from Out of the Abyss
@@tempestgaming1600 Themberchaud I think, very close!
I feel it will be a solid 6/10 watch. Not groundbreaking but good fun for a couple of hours.
Totally appreciate "inauthenticity" and "lack of gritty realism" criticisms folks are expressing, but it seems purposefully quite cartoonish, and I'm quite pleased with the IP iconics and energy.
It looks like fun!
Hopefully the box office pays and they sell toys and merch. Then we may get some spinoffs, including something darker for the grownups. Until then, this one seems to have potential for a broad appeal.
I never played dungeons and dragons, trying to be an early mediaval reenactor, and I will watch this in Cinema because I love mediaval Fantasy which not even tryes to be somehow "authentic" (Most Shows who Claim to be are failing anyway)
Its a bit Like Guardians of the Galaxy going mediaval.
Just fun Times.
Damn If we don't need a good laugh right know
it looks dumb as hell like they just made a budget marvel movie
THIS. Every still of the movie looks like it walked off my table and onto the screen. They're beautiful adaptations of the established looks for armor/locations/creatures/spells/etc. Trying to be "gritty" or "realistic" in a high magic hodgepodge setting like the Forgotten Realms would have been a terrible decision. Heaven help Shad if they ever do a Ravenloft or especially Eberron setting. He won't know what to do with himself!
@@UchihaKat lol
After the way Hasbollocks is treating us in 2023, frankly I don't care if my seat is gold-plated. They can keep it!
Effects looked good, monsters looked lore-accurate (Original D&D for me), studded leather is a D&D trope by now, and Chris Pine is always a win. The Lute humor worked for me, too. That leaves the flying sword, which would ordinarily be a total Nope for me, but it could be a magical flying weapon that goes to slice up an enemy spell-caster and then returns to you, while leaving you with at least something to stab people with in the meanwhile. Especially given how weird some magic items have gotten in later editions, I'll allow it, as long as they don't overuse it. The Huge Axe aesthetic is saying that it is going for the D&D realism as well, not historical medieval. So in summary, looks like it might be entertaining enough, but I am not expecting it to be a masterpiece. As long as I get a few chuckles out of it and enjoy watching the characters go through their adventure, that is good enough.
The Pegasus Sword? Ugh...
I was gonna say there are TONS of flying swords in D&D and its derivatives. hell the final boss of the Iron Gods pathfinder adventure path wielded a dancing greatsword so she can actually fight back if you destroy her body before the final fight (outside of mid level spell spam, she saves high level spells for the final final final encounter assuming your party found the technological artifact Power Suit and lesser Space Suits so they could enter the extreme radiation environment of the space ships core without instantly dying)
The owlbear transformation bothers me : they're classified as "magical creatures", and either through druid shapeshifting or beast-shape spells you can only transform into animals, so I hope they do explain how the hell she's able to use this kinda of ability.
I agree, In my own sessions as a master, I once created an NPC that was a mage who had a magical staff that changed it's properties based on which magical crystal was put into it.
One of the crystals transformed it into a dagger, that when hurled in the air would multiply itself several times and cover a 25 ft area under a rain of steel, said ability could only be used twice a day, the uses however were tied to the crystal, not the staff. Another crystal would create a blade of energy around the body of the staff, effectively transforming it into a magic, vorpal greatsword. This crystal was the most busted as it could be freely used whenever he wanted. And then he had one crystal that would open a portal to his base once a day, which he would use whenever he completed his mission or wanted to retreat from a battle. There's a lot that can be done with magical weapons.
@@RoulicisThe as a DM I will say 100% : because why the fuck not? owlbears are hardly stronger than most animals of that CR, the main diff between most animals and magical beats is intelligence and supernatural abilities. OB's DO NOT POSSESS SU ABILITIES this means they are basically just a smart animal. so letting a druid turn into one does not break the game in any way whatsoever and is simply more fun than not letting them turn into one.
DM discretion is the #1 rule of all d&d, the DM is the one who read, analyzes, and interprets the rules so their players can have fun playing together and if a player want to do something the rules don't allow for but that isn't game breaking, it is fine to allow it. if it becomes a problem in the futur it is easy enough to talk to the play about it and not allow it later.
I still want to see a Dnd movie where one of the main characters from the party dies half way through and then someone new joins the party, played by the same actor and NO ONE acknowledges is.
“Have we met before”
No.
@@No_nameOG Lol that should be about the extent of anyone acknowledging it. Though the new character should be strangely familiar with the quirks, tactics and in jokes of the party. But no one should pick up on how weird that is. And if they do, it should be brushed off as nothing.
Also it bugs me that I typed “is” instead of “it” in my initial comment and I can’t fix it or I’ll loose the heart -_-
Actual conversation during pre-production
JF Daley: We should have a dwarf.
Studio Exec.: Have you seen the Dwarf in the first movie?
JFD: No, why?
two hours later
JFD: We should have a Tiefling!
Is Michelle Rodriguez playing a dwarven barbarian?
@@Darkwintre That's what I've been saying. She's about the right height and build. She lacks traces of facial hair which would confirm it, but everything else points to dwarf.
@@bskec2177 unlike rings of power the rat queen's had a dwarf warrior maiden initially without a beard so given its not a Tolkien movie they're not bound to the same rules!
@@Darkwintre I know she doesn't have to have facial hair to be a dwarf, I meant that if she did, we would know for sure she was a dwarf. Some female dwarves have a small amount of facial hair, some don't. Some naturally, and some may shave. However, facial hair on a female character would mean dwarf, as that's not something that happens on the other races of Faerun.
Hot air baloon is very much in keeping with the Forgotten Realms setting. You can even find outright airships in there.... or just regular ocean going ships taking to the skies if you look at spelljammer.
Hmm... that stupid throwing sword is kind of an underhanded tactic. Would an actual Paladin really use something like that? Probably just a regular fighter or maybe even a rogue, posing as a paladin with some magic items. That would also fit in better with the title of honour among thieves.
I'm glad they didn't get a stick-figure to play the female barbarian. She might not be the most bulky and muscular woman out there, but at least she's looking a whole lot more convincing in a brawl than Natalie Portman for example.
COMBINE SPELL JAMMER AND DRAGON LANCE IN 2ND EDITION TO MAKE IT A WHOLE WAR IN THE PACIFIC THEME ONLY IN THE SKY OVER KYRNN
Paladins aren’t just “honor and integrity” like pop culture makes them out to be, they’re just paragons of certain particular ideals represented by their oaths. A vengeance or conquest paladin will use every underhanded trick in the book if it will help win a battle.
@@bc64100 I would hate to see how Dragonlance would be treated these days when they release that 90's fan made film (real evidence heard about them stealing one after the first trilogy came out) and still kept the messed up roles for the characters.
though a good Spelljammer based on the books would be cool
Saw the trailer and instantly thought they are playing into every trope, both good and some bad, and just having fun with the setting, the lore and the community that's been built up over the years. It's going to be silly and a little absurd but so full of easter eggs and nods to the stories we all share from our games that it might actually be amazing.
Someone commented this has a self-aware A Knight's Tale vibe to it.
I agree. This has the potential to be a stunning 'park your brain and enjoy the ride' movie, appealing to both the dnd folks and the non- gamers. The owlbear scene alone should grab the attention of anyone inclined to watch a fantasy movie.
I think its success will depend on whether the writers did their jobs and crafted a competent story. If they just meet the basics of good storytelling, I think it will be successful. If not, it will stand with so many movies we've been handed; a cgi- crammed incomprehensible mess.
I am hopeful. We have already been given a trailer that is worlds above all the trailers/ teasers/ random home movie clips for Rings of Power. Perhaps we'll be able to pull up the hood of our cloak, adjust the sword and bag of holding on our hips, and stride forth into an enjoyable experience.
As long as it entertaining, people will overlook the flaws and enjoy the show
TBH I prefer having the silly aspects of DND, no matter how cringe inducing, instead of ideological propaganda getting injected in the way it was done to pretty much all other live action adaptations of fantasy in recent years, or the rather suspicious looking amor Nilfgardan soldiers wore in The Witcher. That one in particular was saved by Henry Cavill.
And seriously. That wrinkled, black, leathery looking armor looked totally like something only men have.
Hot air balloons seem to me to be the sort of technology that could plausibly be invented a lot earlier than they actually were. Especially if you have magic.
BIKES!
We're talking about the game system where artificers create fully-functioning magical prosthetic limbs and artificially-intelligent warforged. I've never been against the idea of hot air balloons or flying machines in D&D. lol
phisics is altered too, as there are flying dragons that are totaly not possible , gravity may be way weaker in D&D , or "air" may not be nitrogen/oxigen based .
Spaceships are even plausible. See Spelljammers.
@@crashmoar290 invented by Gnomes though.
The studs in the leather grant higher AC because you look sick AF and the enemies don't wanna damage it cos they want to wear it.
The magic sword might not be as awful as it seems, depending on what the enchantments are. For example, if it has the returning enchantment, and comes right back every time you throw it, that would make the dagger more of a landing platform than an actual weapon.
That's what I'm hoping. That would be one hellova cool magic item in DnD
Shad losing it over studded leather is absolutely hilarious.
I understand it but it is a D&D movie and studded leather is an iconic D&D armor.
Agreed
You throw the sword when you are out of movement but not yet close enough to hit with a melee weapon. You have the knife so you aren't considered unarmed or for attacks of opportunity. Plus, it's magical so it probably returns at the end of the round...
…or maybe the sword 'regrows' from the haft of the dagger at the start of the next round, as the main blade dissipates from the wound.
@@Wraithing this only works if the player has all their hearts guage full. 😉
*insert zelda music here*
@@grrrraffe lol
@@Wraithing or a magic imbued word causes it to return and reset itself.
If you already have to make up excuses, it is shit, stop pretending.
It looks like a good, fun, sometimes silly movie. I'm ok with it not being totally realistic as long as they get the feel of D&D right. And so far it looks like they know what they're doing.
In high school i created a magic sword (+3, nothing outrageous) that allowed you to fire basically a "magic missile" type of damage, but once you did it you lost all the + to hit and damage. And you had to wait a full day to get the plusses back. So it was a way to get a ranged attack out of your sword. But you didn't lose the sword, you still had it, but you lost the plus to hit and damage.
Pretty balanced, i'd say. But it made it a different flavor to your bog standard +3 weapon.
Wouldn't you retain the +1 to hit from it being masterwork?
Even without the pluses, would it still hit monsters that could only be hit by magical weapons?
@@jamesraykenney Yes, because it is still a magical weapon, just sans plusses.
Just a +3 magic weapon. Nothing special ya know 😂
I gotta say. This looks like a fun campy romp in dnd. And I'm whole heartedly all in for this.
I disagree with Shad about the party race comp. Obvious, the humans are min maxers and want that feat at level 1.
Also, it is a different world with even more cultures than Earth and actually have magic. Why must they follow the medievel era of Earth?
Yeah, there's open and common interactions and travel between Kara Tur, Maztica, and Chult, which is far east, the Americas, and Africa analogs.
Unfortunately the studded leather is just being true to d&d. I'm actually working on a homebrew that changes the armors in 5e. I add gambason and heavy gambason as light armor (I know shad would like that). I kept leather, but now it's light leather Lamar and medium leather plate. It also adds resistances to damage types.
One of the least well done things in 5E, imo. Mundane items in general, weapons and armor in particular, armor especially. It feels like a bit of an afterthought honestly. Could definitely use an overhaul.
I'd like an update when you're done.
Just use a different system if you want more realism. I tried hacking DnD for ages, there's no point in the end as there are better systems out there
@@charleswain6124 the issue, as always, is popularity, and how much balance you have to distribute between free time, access to friends and their own free time, and how willing everyone is to seek out, as well as learn, new systems.
I tend to find this makes other systems typically a lot more designed-to-be-simplistic. Which personally, isn't for me. I'm not saying I wouldn't enjoy it, but I am saying it's a (highly-generalized) mark against their attraction.
If you can make it work then great, I'm just saying the expectation for anyone to necessarily make it work isn't entirely realistic. Even finding D&D games can be a pain. I personally think it's quite good, and good enough to work with. Doubtless there's a hefty chunk of clingyness behind that opinion. Is what it is.
That homebrew material already exists, check out the HeavyArms Handbook. It reworks the armor and weapons, and included in that is things like gambeson and brigandine to replace studded leather and such.
You won't find a lot of medieval fantasy here but as far as D&D representation, This looks spot on so far. How the whole movie will live up to the trailer.
So if they are using DnD elements and studded leather is an armor type in DnD then it fits. Even if we know it isnt a historically accurate armor. Also if the character with the shooting sword is a paladin, wouldn't it be reasonable to think that the sword is magic and have some kind of magical return function? Just some thoughts.
Yeah, I think they are going the non-realistic way intentional. Gives me a really 90s tacky fantasy vibe, like Xena or Hercules, so a lot of childhood memories for me. When they combine that with a funny fantasy movie that doesn't take itself too seriously, I am totally okay with it.
Hercules as in...
DISAPPOINTED!!!
I think it maybe a reflection of modern DnD where the setting where the just jam everything into it. Remember He came into to DnD when he young, so the DnD he played was different then it was now.
The sweet spot is to not take itself too seriously but also not be a parody of itself like Thor has become.
Not to be an ass, but I just want to admit, I could never get on board with shows like Xena or Hercules when i was a kid. They looked too cheesy. lolol
@@Jerepasaurus They were super cheesy and then some. That was honestly the main selling point.
As far as capturing the essence of a D&D game they’ve captured it perfectly. So I’m looking forward to it in that regard.
Maybe, that ejectable sword did not really feel D&D though so we have to wait and see. The owlbear certainly was perfect though.
What we know of the story sounds more like X-Men then D&D, I hope it is more to then a villain putting the heroes into a deadly maze for entertainment.
I have some hope but I worry they screwed up the IP again.
@@loke6664
Honestly the ejecting sword could be a magical weapon. My group has had far crazier magical items than that so it doesn't really bother me.
@@loke6664
Honestly the ejecting sword could be a magical weapon. My group has had far crazier magical items than that so it doesn't really bother me.
@@Starcraftgamer97 I dunno, it seems like a bad idea. You are basically disarming yourself by using it so it feels like a home brew weapon by a 14 year old DM.
Yes, there is a Russian knife with that function for Spetnaz operatives but it ain't a good idea there either.
D&D swords that are over the top tend to more be talking or singing (and they always have a very bad personality).
I never honestly in all my years of playing seen something like this, home brew or in one of the weirder D20 sourcebooks and there were a lot of weird weapons in those.
It is of course not enough to make the movie bad but it makes one wonder if there will be plenty of stunts like that which would make the movie rather silly.
I mean, I seen whip swords (like Sword of the creator in Fire emblem: 3 houses and Ivy's snake sword in Soul Calibur) in D&D and while those also looks a bit dangerous that would have been a far cooler concept more in line what we expect from D&D.
I disagree on so many levels.
They captured nu-D&D and Critical Role, VERY different from what Gygax and Arneson originally envisioned.
Not that I was expecting anything else.
"It looks like painted foam" well that's because it probably is. A lot of prop departments use a type of foam that is easily painted and heat forms to whatever shape you need it. Super cheap, looks awful, itchy as hell too sometimes, but it's really never supposed to be examined closely just seen from a distance. In that regard you might for the split second you see it think, "oh look metal bracers". Nope they're just cheap plastic molded overtop of foam and given some sparkly gold spray paint.
I've thought for a long time that the right way to make a D&D film or show is to have it be meta: cast actors known to be nerds (Henry Cavill, Vin Diesel, etc) and have them play themselves, playing D&D AND play their characters in game and then cut between the players and characters
So basically like what the series '1 for all' by Deerstalker Pictures does. Interchanging between dnd scenes with the scenes of actual player bantering/arguing sometimes role-playing the scene (comically bad) while playing the game.
To me, the Bardic Inspiration is probably their best episode so far.
There is also another example here on youtube, but I haven't checked it myself to be sure about it. The Gamers, is the title, I believe?
Yes, exactly! I was about to recommend „The Gamers“ to you xD
@@spearsage There's actually a trilogy of The Gamers movies that you can find on UA-cam, though the first one is very rough and an obvious student film.
While watching this trailer, I had the same idea, but more as a means of explaining why the outfits are so bad lol. Like it's some outfits thrown together by some random nerds to wear as they play d&d, and then their in-universe characters have the same outfits by default. The idea of Chris Pine and Co being filmed playing d&d for other people's entertainment is kinda funny tho.
@@georged.5595 I had the same thought, have the players in a rough costume around the table and then the characters are wearing the hollyweird version
About the flying sword I'm gonna literally copy and paste.
"Dancing Longsword"
"You can use a bonus action to toss this magic sword into the air and speak the command word. When you do so, the sword begins to hover, flies up to 30 feet, and attacks one creature of your choice within 5 feet of it. The sword uses your attack roll and ability score modifier to damage rolls.
While the sword hovers, you can use a bonus action to cause it to fly up to 30 feet to another spot within 30 feet of you. As part of the same bonus action, you can cause the sword to attack one creature within 5 feet of it.
After the hovering sword attacks for the fourth time, it flies up to 30 feet and tries to return to your hand. If you have no hand free, it falls to the ground at your feet. If the sword has no unobstructed path to you, it moves as close to you as it can and then falls to the ground. It also ceases to hover if you grasp it or move more than 30 feet away from it."
I don't think that's what you are going to get. The sword reminds me of sword from the 80's The Sword and the Sorcerer movie. 😂
This is why D&D is awesome endless possibilities but shad is right if this is just some magic mechanical design that somehow shoots a whole blade out for a dagger just why ?.
@@stagthechainsawbeserker3926 I agree with D&D being awesome thanks to its possibilities, but I kind of don't get the rest of your comment, idk if it's my somewhat limited English or you didn't word it well enough, sorry..
@@stagthechainsawbeserker3926 it could be like dancing sword that magically flies out and fights on its own, but you've also got a dagger out of it to compensate the fact that you've just disarmed yourself.
Idk why Shad got so triggered. I'm 99% sure it's some sort of magic and not just a shooting blade.
@@stagthechainsawbeserker3926 maybe his deity's favored weapon is a dagger? We don't know what kind of paladin he is
I just watched it and was like: "How is this beating the RoP "main teaser" so hard? It has a through-line, a very clear appeal, introduces character, has even a sort of "trailer arc" with more obscure characters being introduced later etc. Aside from the obligatory haha-relatable-lets-repeat-that-5-times humor bit, this looks like some nice light-hearted bombastic fun.
Very true. While the humor might not be good or make you laugh, they don't seem to be too forceful that it makes you cringe-though the movie isn't out yet so that could change.
RoP?
@@DwarfDaddy Rings of Power
@@RedHood001-KA Ah, that train wreck.
@@DwarfDaddy Yup, THAT trainwreck 😂
Well the Barbarian probably isn't even wearing armor, that's likely her outfit. Barbarians can add their con modifier, in addition to their dex when they are unarmored to their AC. I like the Paladin. The sword, you can take it or leave it. I'm assuming it's a throwing property sword. I think you're over thinking it. D&D is a meme of fantasy, most of the time. It looks campy, fun and over the top. Looks like D&D to me. Solid cast, following the standard adventure film format, I think it'll be fun.
I only ever played 2nd Edition and our campaigns tended towards the silly side of things so this film reminds me of that kind of stuff. Our DM even allowed our mage to have a spell that summoned Rob Zombie so this film would be right up our group’s alley.
I really need to know the context behind this, why specifically Rob Zombie? lmao this is honestly unnecessarily funny imagining it
Context?
This is Forgotten Realms, bare in mind, which is a very quirky setting. I think this looks like a lot of good fun, but yeah it will be absolutely goofy in terms of realism of arms and armor.
*bear in mind. Like weightbearing, or to bear arms. It means to hold it in mind.
@@bbd121 woop my bad lol
The best DnD movies I've seen up to now are: 'The gamers' and 'The gamers: dorkness rising'. Both on UA-cam and unofficial but they get the absolute chaos and freedom I love so much about the game across. Of course costuming snd weaponry are questionable
Dorkness Rising is one of the best things put in UA-cam. It's super cringe, but it kinda pushes through and becomes super soulful. Except that terrible child demon scene...
@@magonus195 yes. But I love how the IRL relationships colour the character interactions and if you know DnD you can see why the group is problematic. Also, going from Murderhobo and railroad to actual players and free story is great. The original 'The gamers' has more Jokes about regular campaigns though
Will need to check those out
To be fair, the arm mounted sling might be useful for launching magic stones, a Druid cantrip that makes stones strike with supernatural force.
When it comes to the introduction of magic into the world a lot opens up when you really come to think of it. The hot air balloon is not reality breaking when you think about it because people can just cast magic fire in their hands and hold it or have a container to hold their magic flame where they pour magic into it to make it bigger or smaller.
The flying knife of course is a nope if it is spring loaded and that is it. But If the blade itself is an enchanted weapon like the flying sword enemy in dnd then that would actually be pretty useful. Because it acts not only like a projectile but as another enemy itself. Shoot this thing off and not only will it fly towards an enemy but it will act like a very lethal hornet that will carve you up. So for a rogue that is actually not a bad idea when magic is involved.
The slingshot on the arm is more unforgivable not because it is a bad idea. But because its position makes it difficult to aim. It would have been better if it was mounted on the wrist like ren from star wars rebels. Because then you can aim better and have more room for drawing the sling back.
I dont have a big problem with the armor so much. It is fantasy, not historical so the armor presentation is one of the biggest separation factors, could it be more practical, yes but some of it needs to be over the top.
Just my opinion. I can be wrong.
I agree the slingshot is worse than the seord
When it comes to magic you can definitely get away with a lot more and just going into the stat system also gives you more oportunities for what you can do, people don't necessarily need character sheets and levels but in dnd lore people can have 20 strength which is giant strength and can have extreme endurance allowing people to survive falling like 100ft and just walking it off so things like bikini armor and over sized weapons are a lot more viable
Agree but when it comes to the armor with the production value alone that they are spending on CGI they could get some artists and a 3d printer and just make some medieval armor designs paint them well and there you go honestly there is cosplay that is better then this fake leather metal armor they have.
If it's a Dancing Blade or somethign like that, they should have just had the sword leave his hand and do what it does. Having it shoot the blade off but leaving behind the little half-ass dagger is stupid as hell. And if you pay attention, the blade of the sword and the dagger don't even maintain the same line as the sword blade is leaving. They're off by several degrees which should screw up the path of the blade. That's more about getting your effects right than anything, but it shows that they're not paying much attention.
It could be, as a paladin, a weird way he 'casts' spiritual weapon? But I mean he isn't supposed to be disarmed for that so thatd be a fundamental failure on researching basic mechanics of how the universe functions.
I'm willing to bet that the "shooting sword" recalls itself magically, so that eliminates the "he only has a dagger now" problem.
Fully agree, actually that's a really cool magic weapon idea.
well then he wouldnt have had a dagger and he would have just thrown it.
@@buboniccraig896 it takes time to come back
in a table top setting that happens in same turn
but obviously there not going to be turned based fighting in the movie
@@buboniccraig896 Leaving him without a weapon until it returns? How is he supposed to Smite?
1. Studded Leather for Shad is like showing Dracula a cross.
2. Ah yes typical party: Murderous Sociopaths, Arsonists and Kleptomaniacs.
3. Got my start in gaming with D&D/AD&D 2.0
4. Never EVER split the party and never let the Thief out of sight.
I recently got into DnD (as a player) and try to bring in some realistic medieval stuff in. Also my character got recently mauled to death exactly by that owlbear thing: our ranger bragged that he can defeat the beast in a single strike, I decided to support him if need be. Let's say it was a bad idea.
I'm surprisingly impressed with the trailer. I thought it looked pretty good. Imo D&D isn't really medieval, so I'm glad to see more modern touches.
I hope they balance the tone, I don't want it to be all jokes & silliness, but makes sense to have some like you would at the tabletop.
So if its not medieval... why haven't they advanced technologically? An age of gunpowder would wipe out most monsters, make wizards obsolete etc. etc.
@@delcarsdungeon "If it isn't broken, don"t fix it" tends to apply. A person could spend a potentially sizeable chunk of change getting their hands on the ingredients for gunpowder and a lot of brain-power inventing a single shot device that may or may not be prone to misfires and/or exploding in one's hand, or they could spend that same amount of money and use that same brain-power to turn their hands in to magic-guns without having to invent a thing...
Also in societies where power is concentrated in a small group of people, that group tends to not like giving it up. Trying to invent something that would allow the commoners to easily rise up against a magocracy when said wizard-filled government can spend a spell slot and know what you're up to before you've figured it out yourself... well it sounds like a quick way to tragically die in a building-fire along with everyone you ever told about your inventing plans after they all spontaneously showed up to your workshop late one night for a drinking-party.
But Shad is right; the armor designs are hot garbage.
@@delcarsdungeon it actually wouldn't, tho...Magic Missile is a 1st level spell. As in, you can use it as a 1st level Wizard. It's the equivalent of 4 bullets that do not miss and cannot be negated by anything, unless that thing negates all magic period. And that spell is a meme to most monsters. 10 peasants with guns couldn't dent something that a single 5th level barbarian could bend into a pretzel.
100 peasants with muskets, which do 1d10, assuming these peasants are all skilled marksman, with a +2 to hit, wouldn't do more than 100 or so damage.
The average person in DnD has 6 hp. That can be up to 10 hp based on constitution. Most creatures past level 6 could kill a group of peasants with muskets on accident.
(Forgetting the fact that Wizards can, yknow, Wish people out of existence, insta-kill villages with Cloud Kill, or teleport meteors from deep space onto their opponents)
@@delcarsdungeon ah they do have gun powder cannons in Faerun and other DnD settings. Warhammer has blackpowder guns guess what they don't wipe out magical monsters
After watching the trailer, have to say, I'm actually looking forward to it. I know the armor is bad, but when it comes to DnD stuff and "rulebreaks" I think of it as DM's discretion at the table. Everyone has house rules, and I suppose even Holloywood is allowed to have their own lol.
Been playing D&D since AD&D 2nd Ed was new. And D&D is less of a a Medieval Fantasy and more of a General Fantasy, I've played in campaigns that are more Renaissance/Swashbuckling Pirate styled than Medieval styled, and that trailer had more of that type of feel to it.
As for the Sword/Knife thing, that actually made me want to see it more, not detract from it.
That one great cat monster in the arena with the tentacles is a Displacer Beast, a real classic DnD monster. And one tough thing too. And a black dragon? And it looked like an adault one... that one is dangerous.
So good to be ACTUALLY recomended when new videos come out again, great content as always
Weird how that works
It showed up in my "Recommended" but it hasn't marked the channel in my subscriptions list on the left.
Nice to see a Mimic. It was the classic monster you were looking for. This is a very good review. It will be hit or miss for most people and us fans of classic DnD (3.5E) will enjoy it; if only for the sake of nostalgia.
Us Modern D&D (5e) players who choose to use a lot of homebrew will rather enjoy it too.
Completely forgot to watch that trailer, but wtf was that sword/dagger...wait...Swagger?
He is after souls
Shad: Wants realistic armor
Also Shad: *WHERE ARE THE DWARVES!*
That would be offensive to all the "little people out there!" is probably why they didn't add them xD
@@justinLaw5 Seriously? I mean, Lord of the Rings had Dwarves
@@donutlovingwerewolf8837 did you get the joke?
Shad face at the "projectile sword".
I'm dead.
I actually don't think this'll be too bad; at the very least the cgi and actors are much better than previous dnd movies
They're also accurate to D&D monsters. Hell we KNOW what setting it's placed in too, Faerune. Because the trailer shows the Red Wizards of Thay
@Peak Aussieman both?
Sadly, no more Jeremy Irons.
If there is not a Jeremy Irons level performance then I will be disappointed.
It's made recently, it'll be woke garbage.
The thing is, most players aren’t medieval weapons and armor enthusiasts and as such are often less concerned with realism than what they, as laypersons, think looks cool. The sword shooting off, in particular, just by virtue of being able to do that and extend a new, smaller blade, is obviously a magic sword and can probably fight on its own and/or return to the wielder.
In short, this film looks to me like it was written for people who know and play the game and aren’t too concerned with realism or historical accuracy, as the game quite often breaks from realism and accuracy.
I had such a laugh about the bit, "we're all doomed, let's go to the pub." That set the entire tone for me that this is basically a DnD session recorded for the script. I can't wait!
Also, completely disagree with you on this one, Shad.
DnD that doesn't involve a tavern straight to jail
this is exactly what I want it to be too! don't take it too seriously, a bit of a laugh, stupid mistakes and nat 1s and 20s!
Feels like a marvel movie for me so a massive snooze fest.
I loved the 2000 D&D (Irons and Payne were the best). If Wayans had been able to stay on set more to keep the group dynamic from melting into crap I think it would have made more people happy. Hopefully they are able to keep it from descending into snowflake territory and keep a REAL plot moving while having their fun otherwise no.
@@baklapjr you should try DnD some time. With a good group, it's a hell of a lot of fun! Especially if there's alcohol involved!
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I have to say: with the Dungeons and Dragons movie, I don’t really care about realism since it’s a game where a person can carry dozens of weapons on their person, wear plate armour under Noble robes and so on
Second video of his I've seen pop up within the first four minutes of uploading
Leather armour, even studded, makes sense in some D&D settings because they have creatures whose hides maybe way beyond anything we know thus may have properties making it valid as armour,
and the "studs" maybe needed for enchantment, or be strange metals giving some advantages or different materials entirely
see "Dark Sun" for example, where metal is extremely rare, there are many mutated creatures which are commonly used to make arms and armour, and psionics exist allowing psionic crafting (a point many folk don't get)
The same reasoning for the Witcher's S1 armor, being silver studs to help against monsters. Also, in Dragonslayer (1981), they collected dragon scale to make a fireproof shield.
@@thatHARVguy Nice catch mate.
In my homebrew setting there is an armor made of human skin, made through f up ritual with a lot of runes, knifes, pain and etc. Especially potent if wearer is survived owner of said skin.
Would work alot better if you shape it like plate like they did in reality.
@@HappyAspid eeeew! necro armour! ;)
The trailer gives the feel of an accurate representation of a D&D game/campaign. If you don't like D&D's horrible inaccuracies, of course it's not going "look good".
Not saying the movie will be good. But I think it'll be a fun time no matter what
Silly forearm mounting aside, a druid has a very good reason to have a slingshot (and not a traditional sling) assuming the fire seeds spell still exists.
Not in 5e, unless it's been one of the recent additions. Druids do get "magic stone" which is basically using an action to make a +1 sling for 3 shots.
@@Nurk0m0rath Fire Seeds was the old "turn acorns or holly berries into bombs" spell, been around since 1st edition.
@@davehood2667 Ahh, so Gandalf's move from the "fifteen birds" clearing. Sounds like an awesome spell but sadly I haven't seen any sign of it.
@@Nurk0m0rath 4th edition compelled me to switch to Pathfinder, so I don't know 5th much at all, it was still there in 3.5, and the Pathfinder version is almost identical.
@@davehood2667 Lucky you. I never got the chance to play until 5th edition. One of the "perks" of growing up in the middle of nowhere, I guess. And no, that's not an exaggeration. We used to cross "podunk creek" to reach home.
I've heard a lot about 3.5 on youtube though, and I'm not sure I'd have the patience for all the feat stacking. And pathfinder, so I'm told, is 3.5+.
I'd say the costumes are going more for a cosplay-ing look than historical accuracy. Can't say I'd make that choice, but it does fit with the general tone of the trailer. As long as they're consistent I guess.
i think what makes them seem off is they look too clean, if they were a bit more worn and weathered i think it would work better
its dnd at what point is a wizard shooting magic lighting " historical accuracy" please tell me
@@yellow242 um.. Joan of Arc... Lightning?? :P
@@yellow242 The costumes don't make sense. Lightning magic makes sense in this setting. That is the difference
@@GameraS2K So just watch Game of Trones, its DnD not the next "grim dark fantasy movie".
Best case scenario: this one walks so another one can run. Honestly, seeing an owl bear is the highlight for me.
Oh my God, not even a minute in and it's already gold
I showed my wife the trailer, who is not a nerd, nor is she into too many fantasy movies. When she saw the sword fly out she said" wow that was cool!". I'd call that a win.
Honestly, as a DM, this looks fine, my players have way more insane armour and weapons, this seems pretty tame tbh. And the story? DnD party does something wrong, needs to fix it. Perfect, that is 99% of what players actually do. i prefer it a lot over the Rings of Poopoo
Fix it?...your adventurers don't simply become murder hobos?
@@JK96Jt "I just know that that magical wall will fry your brain if you touch it."
"Hah, I can handle it!" *reaches for it*
Party members scream "NONONONO" and pile onto him.
I might be shoehorning this in, but it seems like a decent enough opportunity to talk about character driven stories as opposed to plot driven stories.
Something I’ve been noticing recently is a lot of people criticizing movies because they’re not as grand or complicated, for lack of better words. And while it’s important to have a cohesive plot, it doesn’t need to be groundbreaking; or even original. The stakes don’t need to be “an avengers level threat.”
Characters can drive the story just as well as the plot. Heist movies are a dime a dozen, but we still watch them for the character drama.
One of my favorite examples of this is the movie Second Hand Lions. It’s not a groundbreaking film by any means; it’s a simple coming of age story about a young boy left with his two weird uncles by his neglectful mom. And there isn’t really much in the way of a plot, just the characters interacting with each other. But it builds in such a way that when the film’s climax arrives, you’re invested in the outcome, because you’re invested in the characters. I don’t really want to spoil the movie if you haven’t seen it; it’s definitely worth a watch.
But the point I’m trying to make is this: we’ve got to recognize that there’s more to storytelling than high-stakes, complex storylines. If the characters are done well, we’ll care about the stakes no matter how low they are.
It doesn’t make filmmakers/authors free from obligation, however. The characters have to be well crafted, and the story has to be cohesive enough for the characters to express themselves in a logical fashion. The focus also has to be on the characters themselves. Authors can’t excuse a poor plot by claiming it was a character driven story.
i better see Shad favouriting this comment.
in my eyes, you didn't shoehorn it in... you said something that everyone *needs* to hear.
i repeat: Shad better favourite this. because those are wise words.
@@jacktheomnithere2127 thanks for the support, friend.
@@greganderson6371 "what can i say except you're welcome!"
I've only played 5th edition dnd, if that's the system their taking more from then the bard having a sword could indicate college of valour or swords for the subclass.
The horse shifting to an owlbear would probably be the polymorph spell, not so much a druidic feature, 4th level spell, turn one creature into something else for a bit and then it reverts.
I haven't seen any dagger sword sheath hybrids(?) however
I love the call out to many of the D&D monsters, Gelatinous Cube, Displacer Beast, Owl Bear, ect. and think they look great. My fear is with how laden with humor the trailer is that they will not take themselves seriously enough and will undercut any drama or tension with a bunch of cheap laughs. That said I'm going to try to stay guardedly optimistic and will definitely be seeing it when it releases.
In defense of the shooting sword concept, we clearly see the sword is magical and most magic weapons in 5e that can be thrown have some way have a method of retrieving them. The dagger being left behind is more likely an aesthetic someone thought looked cooler or more practical than just a hilt, which is a personal preference when coming to something so magical in concept, perhaps as a magical retrieval antenna. The effect didn't look that bad, though I watched it on my phone and it could look worse on a biger screen. If that's the case then they might improve it, but the idea sounds worse than magic makes it.
5e returning weapons the WHOLE WEAPON goes, and comes back. NOT just the BLADE with a spring loaded dagger in the hilt
@@michaelsorensen7567 sure, but someone could easily have decided this looked better for whatever reason and that comes down to personal taste at that point.
People have thought it could be a Dancing Blade, which seems the obvious solution here. It'd be more effective too since he has a weapon to defend himself with when the sword is slicing and dicing on its own.
@@ebonslayer3321 yeah, that was what I was thinking too
Oh come on. I agree with you on most things Shad. But this is a high magic DnD campaign turned into a movie. BS is to be expected dare I say embraced. Cheese when lathered on appropriately makes things extra delicious then you take that cheese and wrap it in bacon sweet sweet juicy bacon...wait what was my point?
I saw the sword shooting thing and thought, "Shad will have a field day with this." You did not disappoint sir.
If you look carefully to the blade when it's shoots out , you'll notice at the bottom of the "full blade" a part that you would assume would be the "dagger" underneat.
Then when the blade is shot, the "dagger" part disapear (it's not with the shot blade and no longer on the pummel, then the dagger regrowt to a bigger size.
lol
So far this looks potentially really good... Wish the group had some more variety but that's fine because we'll see it all anyway outside the group
To be fair regarding the dumb paladin sword.. the DM's manual of magical items has numerous melee weapons (swords, hammers.. not just small blades) that have magical properties where they can fly great distances like a small thrown weapon would - so the paladin's sword isn't particularly outlandish, considering D&D is filled with weird things like talking swords etc.
100% as well as weapons of returning. Like Wulfgar's Aegis-fang. The sword can work as long as it is magical.
I think its too hard to know much about the sword. We see it for about half a second, and from that brief flash we are meant to jump to conclusions about the movie as a whole? It could be well done or it could be stupid, I don't think a flash is enough to be making calls on the quality of the movie.
I think even with the sword shooting thing, I could still enjoy the movie. I really hope that they show the extreme differences between natural 20 and crit fail rolls.
Honestly, i think the weapons and armor look perfect. 100% accurate. Even the axe.
it looks exactly like.... metal paint on a plastic figurine. So when they sell the toys for this, the figures... there won't have to be any "changes" to make things structurally sound when they shrink it down.
Normally I agree with Shad on most things but on this one I think he missed the mark. My greatest memories from D&D growing up were the crazy wacky things that happened, like once my group found a crashed solar sailing spaceship and repaired it and went to the moon. My point being, D&D doesn't have to fit into the historical medieval mold, and that's where I think Shad's mind is at. My point is, as long as there are nods to traditional D&D monsters and things, and the characters go on a zany fantasy adventure, I'm gonna be down with this movie. I do appreciate Shad's perspective though.
I’ve always thought that it made the most sense for the Bard or Healer characters to be the leaders of the party. Since they generally stand back and have a better view of the battlefield and their support Magic lends itself well to managing others.
also bards inspire and have a lot of previous lore from adventure and the historic setting, I use to call bards the druids of the city.
What we need in a D&D Movie (this is half-joke, half-serious, going more to the joke side):
-References to the games Baldur's Gate, Tower of Doom and Shadow of Mystara.
-A lot of swearing between a Dwarf and an Elf.
-A scene with a Mind Flayer refusing to eat the brain of a Barbarian, for "obvious reasons".
-Some nerd character saying things like "No, no, this is another type of Dragon".
-A character seeing a Gelatinous Cube and saying: "Can we bring it with us? It's so cute!"
-Vin Diesel as an illegal Centaur racer (for those who don't know, Vin Diesel is a D&D fan).
-Someone having a nightmare about "working as a white collar in an office".
-Goblins with gunpowder.
-Tarrasque coming from nowhere.
-A joke about African and European Swallows.
-Paladin's and Warriors freaking out when a Rust Monster appears.
-The Halfling of the group using a Bag of Holding to disguise himself during a fight.
-Crossing between the Planes of Existance, with the most braindead character saying: "Ok, that was fun... Let's do it again!"
-Every male character being afraid of falling in love, because Succubi are everywhere.
-Everybody tying up the Bard on a tree, during the final celebration.
Why the holy grail reference?
-A party member dies early on, and is immediately replaced with a different character played by the same actor.