Really? I thought it was a metaphor for the barely conscious people I see walking around everywhere. A small handheld device also seems partly to blame for that too.
Paris and Janeway turning into big salamanders and mating is weirder than anything, and the end of the episode just brushes it off like any other meaningless one-night stand.
Another thing, Sisko is also part prophet. When the Q shows up, they aren't what they seem, its what they allow us to perceive them as. It might be that Sisko actually hurt him with a punch and didn't even realize it.
Also I believe in the Q books, which I know are usually considered beta canon, it is stated that the Q and the Worm Hole Aliens are not exactly on good terms, so it is possible that Q was told to stay away from DS9.
@@SevCaswell I vaguely recall that. Were those also the books where we learn the Guardian of Forever was there to keep out beings from outside the galaxy, like "god" that ended up on the planet in the middle of the galaxy and wanted the Enterprise?
Another contender is the Enterprise D finding the creator of the Human, Klingon, Romulan and Vulcan races and then it never getting brough up again ever.
Yeah that would be number 1 for me. It was such a weird and problematic episode. It was even worse that the ghost had been getting it on with many generations of Dr Crusher's ancestors.
You know what I find the most strange about Star Trek? Unplanned pregnancies. Kirk was in a relationship with Carol Marcus and she got pregnant without him knowing. Worf was in a relationship with K'Ehleyr and she got pregnant without him knowing. Picard was in a relationship with Miranda Vigo and she pregnant without him knowing. It turned out to not be his kid but he thought it might be. You'd figure by the 23rd/24th century contraceptives would be easily obtainable or there was some kind of medical implant to prevent pregnancies.
Yes, the human males in Starfleet have access to "an injection". Deep Space Nine episode where Sisko and Cassidy find out they are going to be parents. "Someone forgot to get their [regular] injection from Julian didn't he? I guess I forgot, I just got so busy." During the Dominion War, there were probably a lot of busy human males who either didn't get their injections on time, or could not get them. A nice way of having the future putting the responsibility of birth control on the men instead of the women. After all, it is only fair!
Contraceptives of many and varied kinds are available right now but we have unplanned pregnancies. Some of the time it's because the technology failed, but some of the time it's just people being people. By the 23rd and 24th centuries the technologies might be improved but you can be certain people will still be people.
It's established in Wrath of Khan that even in the 23rd century, some people are incompatible with some medications, which is (in-universe) why Kirk needed reading glasses.
As to the Klingon discrepancy in DS9, I love that Worf explained it by NOT explaining it and I also love that ENT wrapped it up in a neat package. The reason they don't discuss it with outsiders is because of the humiliation that they did it to themselves.
I always thought that ds9 approach was elegant. Keeping in touch with og movies retcon with funny oneliner. I didin't liked making this canon by wierd genetic virus in enterprise.
I once participated in a Star Trek Trivia fundraiser at a nearby bar. I was super happy my team let us use the team name "Cellular peptide cake" in reference to the Diana Cake. So when the trivia master would read our name for doing well, we got to do a Worf 'fullofcakemouth' and scream 'WITH MINT FROSTING!"
I think Worf's lack of an explanation about the human looking Klingons was perfect and in keeping with his character. A briliant was of side stepping the issue for that episode. It just reignited the mystery for me.
For what it's worth, the answer had pretty much been provided by the non-canonical "Star Trek" role-playing game. The game which came out after the first movie (but before "The Next Generation") pretty much had to figure out for itself how best to explain the discrepancy since both versions of Klingons were considered "canon" (again, the RPG was not considered canon but game play was supposed to stick with canonical material; new aliens which had been introduced in the films but hadn't really been developed could be filled out by the game makers and the players). So, the easiest way was to use genetic modification. The Klingon Empire decided to "create" new Klingons that would be the "faces" of the Klingon Empire near its borders with the Federation (to be more human-looking) and the Romulans (to be more Vulcanoid/Romulan-looking) and the ships that ventured near the Federation or the Neutral Zone would be staffed with Klingons who'd been "modified" to be more human-looking. The bigger question, though, is why we (the fans) never wondered why the visual difference wasn't raised during the movies themselves. There's never any questions about the "new" Klingons encountered by the Federation during any of the original series films in which they appear (which, by the timeline, all took place decades before STTNG first aired). It was a fairly "cute" moment in "Trials and Tribble-lations" for Bashir, Odo and O'Brien to raise but Bashir, at the very least, should never have been surprised at the physical differences (unless, somehow, none of the ship's logs from Kirk's Enterprise featured visuals of the various Klingons the crew met or they all just somehow managed to disappear from the official records; Starfleet Medical, at the very least, should've kept the records AND made it a mandatory case study--especially given Starfleet's official ban on genetic enhancements--so that any Starfleet doctor or nurse should run into a Klingon suffering from an illness that typically didn't affect Klingons but did affect humans and the Klingon had no *known* human lineage).
Come to think of it, "Picard never hit me" isn't saying much. Right here in the vid, we see Q punching Sisko first, with no sign he'll relent. Did Q punch Picard, ever? Even a legal inquiry might find that Sisko's choice simply to punch back was correct action.
How is Deanna conceiving and giving birth to a child, who then transcends into pure energy, in a matter of days, and then NEVER MENTIONING IT AGAIN not on here?
BRUH. I just now hit the $pliph...and I have an answer 😌✌🏻 The galaxy may be vast...but word still travels fast. And KNOWING that her own daughter had conceived...Lwaxana would have NEVER let her live it down😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think my personal favorite WTF Star Trek moment was in an episode of TNG where Picard makes a smiley face with his finger in the gasses escaping from a super slowed down Warp Core breech in progress and how he just started laughing. (I always wondered how his finger didn't immediately vaporize from the heat).
Slower timestream would mean lower vibration frequency of the molecules, thus a lower temperature? Just ignore the minor and utterly insignificant and frankly irrelevant detail they aren't frozen solid every other moment.
@@40KBunker it's a very conscious suspension of disbelief ever since that logic first occurred to me when I was about 11. I remember that, cuz thst was one of the first mix of "waiiiiiiit a minute..... That makes no sense! But it's cool!" Realisation and "owh well. Still cool." Acceptance.
@@Burner-B yeah totally, it's an interesting concept, let's explore it in this story. I'm happy with whatever crazy things a TV or movie wants to do, as long as they don't blatantly break their own rules. Looking at you Heros...
I always thought that Sisko hitting Q was the first indication that Sisko was the Emissary, or whatever. I think they missed a huge opportunity because Sisko would technically be as powerful as Q. There would be something Q didn’t know and didn’t understand. It would have been perfect having the Continuum, meddling and baiting Sisko trying to get answers. They didn’t even have to have Q do it. They could have had multiple Q show up. They could have even had a showdown between the Q and the prophets. Klingons have ridges for everyone’s pleasure
In my personal headcanon, a Q exists beyond our perception of Space Time - but is still part of it. But the Prophets have always existed outside of Space Time with some sort of link to Bajor. So the fact that Sisko is part Prophet means that he doesn't fully exist as part of Space Time - which could explain why so much of his life wasn't fully predictable by the Prophets, because his timeline isn't fully linear the way the rest of the Universe's timelines are. So when he was fighting Q, Q had no idea Sisko would strike him - which is why he was so surprised. And because of the unknown variable that is Sisko, Q avoided him from that point forward - explaining why he shoed up so much more in TNG, VOY, and Picard (even popping up in Lower Decks that one time) but never in the other series - even though he's obviously capable of traversing all of time and space, including other timelines/realities.
Imagine Marina Sirtis' face when they told her: Showrunners: "Today, you're going to be cake." Marina: "What, you mean like jumping out of one?" Showrunners: "...You should be so lucky..."
The thing people forget about Q is that he only arrives to teach a lesson and uses mischief and games to force you to discover the lesson for yourself. When Cisco finally snapped and punched him he said that Picard wouldn't have hit him and Cisco responded that he wasn't Picard. Q then affirmed that no he wasn't (Picard) and left indicating that the lesson was to remind Cisco that he shouldn't try to resolve his problems like someone he wasn't. Once Cisco got the message there was no reason to stay and without Vash's involvement Q felt no obligation to interfere with someone who wasn't Picard. It is important to remember that Cisco had only just started his new post in charge of DS9 and he was struggling to deal with all the problems cropping up while trying to be someone like Picard who uses diplomacy to resolve issues as a preference to force or violence although still capable of both. He was handicapping himself trying to be someone else and Q made him realize that. We can reasonably assume that Q only shows up with the Voyager crew to show them they aren't truly alone and forgotten and to give them some measure of connection to home even if it is Q.
It's telling that even Jolene Blakock and Scott Bakula, by all accounts one of *the* nicest guys in Hollywood, *hated* the episode and called it stupid and a bad idea
I never understood how Data, arguably the most advanced cybernetic organism ever created, had a simple 'on/off' switch on his back. That's like one-step removed from the clapper light.
*yeah, you would think Data would have the ability to internally disconnect that switch given the obvious danger to his personal survival it presented*
Or what about how easy it is to remove his limbs? A simple little twist and Riker took off Data’s hand during his trial…which in and of itself was a WTF moment to me! Something of THAT huge of importance to be managed so hastily by some random officers with no official experience in law and a single judge?!?! All to determine the status of not just a single individual but potentially an entire species of androids?!?!
The Magnificent Ferengi is amazing and something I'd like to see more of in new Trek. I mean you had the light hearted story book thing in SNW but that was a kinda niche story. My favourite bit is when they Weekend At Bernies the Vorta at the end and he just keeps walking into the wall 😂
I am increasingly impressed with the number of obscure references the Lower Decks writers make to other Trek series and movies. These guys (and gals, one assumes) must spend hours and hours scouring episodes to find just the right one-offs to put into their scripts. The skeleton of Spock 2? Crikey, you really had to know your Trek to catch that one.
They should have them find some of the crew that Kojan turned into large shapes in "By Any Other Name", then have them use them as dice in a role playing game.
Burnham being told that Voq, L'relle, and the other Klingons who were trapped in the Sarcophagus ship basically had to eat Philippa Georgiou's corpse is definitely one of those WTF moments.
Another WTF episode was the Star trek Voyager episode, "Dark Oblivion". This episode depicted the grim fate of a cloned Voyager crew. Who attempted to leave there galaxy. But unfortunately they never made it. It was surreal to see the real crew at the end of the show.
My WTF Trek moment is actually one that didn't happen. In ST: Generations, when Picard and Kirk are talking on horseback, there is mention of Spock, and yet the writers seemed to all have forgotten that both men had mind melded with Spock and they missed a golden opportunity to acknowledge it. LL&P
imagine going so fast you turn into a lizard turn a woman into a lizard the same way so you two can have lizard babies together and then get turned back into humans after all that fun🤣
and it was like the second/third episode of the series. Like, “you must stand for the crimes of your entire species before a god” and then Yar uses Data as a sex toy the very next episode. talk about your 180s…
Also, in reference to number one, we originally saw Kor, Kang, and Koloth, TOS Klingons that we saw later on in an episode of DS9 that looked more like Klingons and less human in their much later years.
Lately, I wonder what would have happened if Earth sent the Ktarians some antique smartphones loaded with Candy Crush and Pet Rescue Saga in retaliation . . . ?
Between the actor playing Michael's belief that acting is constantly whipering while gurning and the rest of the Discovery's crew constantly congratulating each other for being so darned fantastic, I lost any exciting or good moments because I couldn't see through my tears of pain or hear over my constant begging for it all to stop just please for God's sake stop. But so anyway this was very nice video, great work as always👍😁
I was always amused by the TOS episode SPOCK'S BRAIN, when McCoy and later Kirk were able to control Spock's body with a garage door remote. The funniest part was when RC Spock walked into a bush before entering the cave.
The was some pretty crazy deep digging. I'd say that one episode were Picard and Riker both phaser some admirals head till it exploded with alien worms or something. I think it later got banded for airing but not till I saw it several times as a kid.
One thing that was always a "WTF moment" for me was the Ophidian in the two-part TNG episode "Time's Arrow." Star Trek has had many different technologies and devices for time travel, but for this episode, the writers came up with a magical snake. We never learn where the snake came from, what it uses its powers for, how the parasitic aliens learned about it and captured it, etc.
It's not an episode I ever saw but my first thought would be that a magical time snake might be some sort of reference to the mythical Ouroboros (the snake eating it's own tail) symbolising the endless cyclical nature of time/death/rebirth. What do you think?
Most of these were WTF moments. Just quirky ones that gave us a short laugh or thought. The last one with the Klingons was a great one as it did address an issue that had bothered fans since TMP gave us Klingons with skull ridges. And even better when ENT explained what happened. Two bad when DIS made all the corrections in season 2, they did not address the new look to the Klingons. Going back to Trail and Tribblations -it is a reverse continuity error since what happened on ENT was 200 years before DSN, The Klingon augmented virus was to last a generation and since Klingons live 100-150 years then the last of the augmented Klingons died out only 20 years or so before Bashier was born. It is hard to believe that Bashier would not have studied this in medical school esp in both xenobiology classes and enhanced genetics classes. Since Bashier knew he was genetically enhanced then he especially would have focused on genetic enhancement in his career and hard to picture how he could avoid knowing of the Klingon augmentation visus..
Somehow the biggest WTF was mentioned but not as a WTF: when a baby cried and caused the whole galaxy to explode. "The burn" is IMO the biggest WTF in all of star trek.
The whole "burn" thing just "makes my blood scream". A Kelpan kid cried and every ship in every fleet that ran on dilithium exploded tearing the federation apart?! for a century? Where were the writers of Discovery's brains? It seemed that Depressed Star Trek haters wrote it. What annoyed me most was the unnecessarily oppressive darkness of Discovery and most of Picard. I really hope the Dystopian period of Star Trek is over. This is from a fire-breathing Spock fan of 50 years mind you.
I have one WTF moment for season 2 of picard. When Roffi and 7 stop the ICE buss to rescue Rios. The two have a cellphone like tricorder on them as they do their thing, then all the detainees escape and a kid on the buss calls someone. Where'd the phone come from? More over, where'd the tricorder go? You never see it again. I'm still convinced that kid either took their tricorder, or it got dropped and he picked it up, thinking it was a phone. Funny thing, as he is seen pushing buttons, it sounds like their tricorder. And it's never retrieved.
Quark and Rom pleading for their mom to get naked and Rom resting his head on her lap was wtf moment #1. Wtf moment #2 was the episode "Conspiracy" where we see Remmicks head explode and he is a headless corpse with the creature ripping open his stomach.
I grew to love Discovery and embrace their vision of the show, but those slow talking Klingons from season 1 were a dreadful reimagining of the species. I've noticed they haven't taken too many liberties with other races since then, other than perhaps sprucing them up for the 4k streaming world.
Worf beating the crap out of those weaker TOS Klingons was hilarious. He literally punched one, picked him up like a ragdoll, and threw him like a sack of potatoes.
Re:Two What? Has no man experienced two streams in the morning? It's common that if one has disĉharged and doesn't "flush" in a timely manner, the $ will dry and affect flow.
There was a Star Trek tabletop RPG that gave a very good explanation for the disparity in the appearance of the Klingons -- this was several years before TNG. In the game, the second version created for the movies, with the bone ridges on the foehead, were the original Klingons, the so-called Imperial race. They deliberately created the more human-looking alternates through genetic engineering as a means of dealing with their major rivals, the humans
of the Federation. Human/Klingon hybrids would supposedly be able to think more like humans, and thereby outthink them in battle. There was also supposed to be a Romulan/Klingon hybrid, but TOS never got around to showing those because the USS Enterprise had no opportunity to patrol the border between those two factions. By the time of the Trek movie era, though, the policy had changed, the Imperial race were being redeployed along all borders, and the hybrids were being phased out.
Missed this when it was released. I like the NX enterprise under B'lanna's elbow, and the Like And Subscribe inside Data. Picard watching his computer in the ready room, observing Data on the bridge was good. And the Horgon next to Deanna on the bed as she's inviting Worf to sit with her was almost too quick. Oh, and does Tom know he was inserted into Boimler's arse?
@@BuhurtUK There isn't an emoji for that. THANK YOU. Oh hang on, here it is ✔️. I'm stunned. Grateful, and stunned. Firstly, how did I miss that? These acronyms support my feelings on this: HFS HFFS HFFFFS
And secondly, Thank You again I've tried double liking, and double subscribing, but I've only succeeded in watching the Klingons Double Ding Dongs again.
That thumbnail makes me wanna start singing Tom Petty...🎵Don't come around here no more, don't come around here no more... whatever you're looking for... *HEY!* Don't come around here no more. Give it up, STAHP!🎵 (Data's cake was likely inspired by a 1980s Tom Petty music video, involving him dressed up like the Mad Hatter cutting into a living Alice in Wonderland cake).
9:10 Was it a decision? I mean, being that big, Spock Two would have been unable to board the Enterprise. As far as we know there are no member races that are several times the size of a human, so there may not be a starship large enough for Spock Two.
Idk if you guys have touched on this before, but what are your thoughts on the economics of the Trek universe. Famously Picard says "there's no money in the future, we work for the betterment of ourselves" but that's directly contradicted in TNG encounter at Farpoint when Dr Crusher says to charge the price of the fabric to her account. Personal theory, that in the Federation thebstate provides housing and replicator supply food so that struggle is free from our lives, but luxuries like toys, fancy clothing, personal vehicles, etc still have a cost. Like I think people are still paying some form of currency to eat as Siskos in New Orleans. Just curious what you guys and gals at Trek Culture think of the topic ^.^
It's a weird thing that I still can't really get my head around. Like working for that promotion to the next rank, it's more responsibility and for no material benefit. It would probably mean you get the right person for the job but what if there isn't enough of the right people? Certainly an interesting question.
If the "Troi cake" was chocolate, then Troi would of liked that. She might of even eaten herself.
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I *would have* liked for you to use proper English, which you *might have* written but you didn't. I don't have to spell out what that makes you… or do I? I probably *would have* to, but UA-cam wouldn't like it if I called you something that ends with "cile" and starts with "imbe".
You put such attention into explaining how the Original Series Klingons were revealed to have a canon explanation as why they look different from the Next Generation, Voyager and DS9 Klingons - but absolutely no explanation into the genetic mutation which caused Klingons to have two dongs in Discovery...
Wait! I'm sorry but....WHAT? Riker and Picard blowing Remmick's head off in the "Conspiracy" episode didn't make it? Granted that was more of a "Holy Shit!" moment really....WTF!
And if Klingon men have two, do Klingon women have two? And do they need to use both to get pregnant, or will either one work? And if the do need both, than how do the get it on with humans? Did Tom need to go back and forth from one to the other to get Belana pregnent?
These are valid questions that had to be cut from this video for the sake of brevity as otherwise the rabbit hole that this is would have spun it out for many hours 😂
Ending it on the Klingons... Makes me feel The largest WTfunk moment relating to them, Was in discovery, when the strange new Aliens they are interacting with are called Klingons. Interesting clothing and ship designs all around, but rather shocking to see something clearly different from decades of content, be called a Klingon.
The fact that the worst thing Riker brought back from a trip to Risa was a game is a miracle
this should clearly be the most upvoted comment :)
Well The Game is basically a metaphor for VD
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Really? I thought it was a metaphor for the barely conscious people I see walking around everywhere.
A small handheld device also seems partly to blame for that too.
They probably eliminated most sexually transmitted infections by that time.
Paris and Janeway turning into big salamanders and mating is weirder than anything, and the end of the episode just brushes it off like any other meaningless one-night stand.
In one episode Chakotay makes her do a native American ritual and in the vision you can clearly see Janeway's love of lizards then.
That episode never happened, though.
Well, to be fair, Paris is half lounge lizard.
Well, I wouldn't want to brag about it either... you know...
Never got that far with Voy and I'm glad I didn't. I had quit watching it rigousrously long before this. It just made me mad with the nonsence.
Another thing, Sisko is also part prophet. When the Q shows up, they aren't what they seem, its what they allow us to perceive them as. It might be that Sisko actually hurt him with a punch and didn't even realize it.
It's one of those "in hindsight that really works" things DS9 had quite a few of, like going full "I can't believe it's not Data " with Bashir.
Ooh that's food for thought!
Also I believe in the Q books, which I know are usually considered beta canon, it is stated that the Q and the Worm Hole Aliens are not exactly on good terms, so it is possible that Q was told to stay away from DS9.
@@SevCaswell I vaguely recall that. Were those also the books where we learn the Guardian of Forever was there to keep out beings from outside the galaxy, like "god" that ended up on the planet in the middle of the galaxy and wanted the Enterprise?
He did look like he felt it.
Another contender is the Enterprise D finding the creator of the Human, Klingon, Romulan and Vulcan races and then it never getting brough up again ever.
and that dyson sphere, could have a whole series on that
And said creator looked suspiciously like a Changeling (same actor as the female founder in DS9, IIRC).
@@correlis that always did seem suspicious to me.
@Jyv Ben I believe there was even a Dyson Sphere paperback novel written back in the day.
@@wariokhabib245 There is.
Can't believe you didn't include Crusher getting it on with a candle ghost.
I'm sure there will be a "VOL II"....and III and IV and more to come.
Yeah that would be number 1 for me. It was such a weird and problematic episode. It was even worse that the ghost had been getting it on with many generations of Dr Crusher's ancestors.
Or finding an erotic novel that her grandmother owned (eww!).
I was going to say the same thing! 😂
The inexplicably Scottish family sex ghost
You know what I find the most strange about Star Trek? Unplanned pregnancies. Kirk was in a relationship with Carol Marcus and she got pregnant without him knowing. Worf was in a relationship with K'Ehleyr and she got pregnant without him knowing. Picard was in a relationship with Miranda Vigo and she pregnant without him knowing. It turned out to not be his kid but he thought it might be. You'd figure by the 23rd/24th century contraceptives would be easily obtainable or there was some kind of medical implant to prevent pregnancies.
Ofcourse there are ;)
Yes, the human males in Starfleet have access to "an injection". Deep Space Nine episode where Sisko and Cassidy find out they are going to be parents. "Someone forgot to get their [regular] injection from Julian didn't he? I guess I forgot, I just got so busy." During the Dominion War, there were probably a lot of busy human males who either didn't get their injections on time, or could not get them.
A nice way of having the future putting the responsibility of birth control on the men instead of the women. After all, it is only fair!
@@matthewmiller4695 : but I bet those fellows never forgot to give their lover *her* injection.....
Contraceptives of many and varied kinds are available right now but we have unplanned pregnancies. Some of the time it's because the technology failed, but some of the time it's just people being people. By the 23rd and 24th centuries the technologies might be improved but you can be certain people will still be people.
It's established in Wrath of Khan that even in the 23rd century, some people are incompatible with some medications, which is (in-universe) why Kirk needed reading glasses.
As to the Klingon discrepancy in DS9, I love that Worf explained it by NOT explaining it and I also love that ENT wrapped it up in a neat package.
The reason they don't discuss it with outsiders is because of the humiliation that they did it to themselves.
I always thought that ds9 approach was elegant. Keeping in touch with og movies retcon with funny oneliner. I didin't liked making this canon by wierd genetic virus in enterprise.
Before I even hit play.. “well, let’s see what number they have crusher getting it on with a ghost this upload..” 🤣🤣🤣
I was pretty sure Crusher f*cking a space ghost would be #1 on the list. 😂
God I hated that episode . that and the space Irish settlers
I once participated in a Star Trek Trivia fundraiser at a nearby bar. I was super happy my team let us use the team name "Cellular peptide cake" in reference to the Diana Cake. So when the trivia master would read our name for doing well, we got to do a Worf 'fullofcakemouth' and scream 'WITH MINT FROSTING!"
Thtad such a wonderfully nerdy moment in time, I love it.
I’d eat Deanna. Just in a different way.
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I think Worf's lack of an explanation about the human looking Klingons was perfect and in keeping with his character. A briliant was of side stepping the issue for that episode. It just reignited the mystery for me.
yeah, the "long story" hadn't yet been written until someone (Brannon/Braga.....) decided to flesh it out in "Enterprise".
@@andrewmurray1550 Which they really should not have done ...
@@andrewmurray1550 Too bad discovery undid all this beautiful explanation. We really didnt need new klingons.
For what it's worth, the answer had pretty much been provided by the non-canonical "Star Trek" role-playing game. The game which came out after the first movie (but before "The Next Generation") pretty much had to figure out for itself how best to explain the discrepancy since both versions of Klingons were considered "canon" (again, the RPG was not considered canon but game play was supposed to stick with canonical material; new aliens which had been introduced in the films but hadn't really been developed could be filled out by the game makers and the players). So, the easiest way was to use genetic modification. The Klingon Empire decided to "create" new Klingons that would be the "faces" of the Klingon Empire near its borders with the Federation (to be more human-looking) and the Romulans (to be more Vulcanoid/Romulan-looking) and the ships that ventured near the Federation or the Neutral Zone would be staffed with Klingons who'd been "modified" to be more human-looking.
The bigger question, though, is why we (the fans) never wondered why the visual difference wasn't raised during the movies themselves. There's never any questions about the "new" Klingons encountered by the Federation during any of the original series films in which they appear (which, by the timeline, all took place decades before STTNG first aired). It was a fairly "cute" moment in "Trials and Tribble-lations" for Bashir, Odo and O'Brien to raise but Bashir, at the very least, should never have been surprised at the physical differences (unless, somehow, none of the ship's logs from Kirk's Enterprise featured visuals of the various Klingons the crew met or they all just somehow managed to disappear from the official records; Starfleet Medical, at the very least, should've kept the records AND made it a mandatory case study--especially given Starfleet's official ban on genetic enhancements--so that any Starfleet doctor or nurse should run into a Klingon suffering from an illness that typically didn't affect Klingons but did affect humans and the Klingon had no *known* human lineage).
@@josephwest124 The funny thing is that FASA's Star Trek RPG was considered canon until TNG came out. FASA lost the licence soon thereafter.
Sisko punching Q is one of my favorite DS9 moments... it shows the difference between Sisko and Picard, plus puts Q in his place. 😉
Nothing "puts Q in his place" at all. The in-universe explanation given was he found Sisko boring because he could be provoked
Come to think of it, "Picard never hit me" isn't saying much. Right here in the vid, we see Q punching Sisko first, with no sign he'll relent. Did Q punch Picard, ever?
Even a legal inquiry might find that Sisko's choice simply to punch back was correct action.
@@alm2187 Q likes to be engaged, Sisko refused to continue being baited and became "no fun"
Sisko's Indiana Jones moment
The perfect character moment for godpuncher Sisko.
"Want some Cellular Peptide Cake?" Worf says "...with frosting." still cracks me up.
"...Nom nom nom... Wif MINT FWOSTING! Nom nom nom..."
How is Deanna conceiving and giving birth to a child, who then transcends into pure energy, in a matter of days, and then NEVER MENTIONING IT AGAIN not on here?
It's mentioned when Data creates Lal, his Android daughter.
And then there’s the whole matter of her getting impregnated by an alien against her will.
He doesn't call. He doesn't write. What's a mother to do?
BRUH. I just now hit the $pliph...and I have an answer 😌✌🏻
The galaxy may be vast...but word still travels fast.
And KNOWING that her own daughter had conceived...Lwaxana would have NEVER let her live it down😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's called "Just another space day on the Enterprise" so much weird shit happens in space it just becomes normal.
Beverly Crusher being, er, pleasured, by the ghost in Sub Rosa definitely belongs here
And her reading her grandmother’s erotic diaries, gross!
We try to pretend that episode never happened. lol
Ghostbusters and Ray in the blowjob scene.
To be fair, McFadden is to die for.....mmmm...jelly of that ghost.
It’s unbelievable to me that soaking punching Q is on this list but not the ghost affair. 🤔
I think my personal favorite WTF Star Trek moment was in an episode of TNG where Picard makes a smiley face with his finger in the gasses escaping from a super slowed down Warp Core breech in progress and how he just started laughing. (I always wondered how his finger didn't immediately vaporize from the heat).
👉:) 🤣
Slower timestream would mean lower vibration frequency of the molecules, thus a lower temperature?
Just ignore the minor and utterly insignificant and frankly irrelevant detail they aren't frozen solid every other moment.
@@Burner-B yeah every time I see something like that I'm like how are they pushing all that air out the way, why is there sound?
@@40KBunker it's a very conscious suspension of disbelief ever since that logic first occurred to me when I was about 11.
I remember that, cuz thst was one of the first mix of "waiiiiiiit a minute..... That makes no sense! But it's cool!" Realisation and "owh well. Still cool." Acceptance.
@@Burner-B yeah totally, it's an interesting concept, let's explore it in this story. I'm happy with whatever crazy things a TV or movie wants to do, as long as they don't blatantly break their own rules. Looking at you Heros...
I always thought that Sisko hitting Q was the first indication that Sisko was the Emissary, or whatever. I think they missed a huge opportunity because Sisko would technically be as powerful as Q. There would be something Q didn’t know and didn’t understand. It would have been perfect having the Continuum, meddling and baiting Sisko trying to get answers. They didn’t even have to have Q do it. They could have had multiple Q show up. They could have even had a showdown between the Q and the prophets.
Klingons have ridges for everyone’s pleasure
But they hadn't decided that The Sisko was part Prophet at the time. Unless I'm mistaken.
The writers could have done a lot more with the series than they did. But it is still enjoyable to watch.
This was exactly what I was going to say.
@@hancocki DS9 was *not* Babylon 5. I don't think they had the full 7 season arc planned out in that way atnthe beginning.
In my personal headcanon, a Q exists beyond our perception of Space Time - but is still part of it. But the Prophets have always existed outside of Space Time with some sort of link to Bajor. So the fact that Sisko is part Prophet means that he doesn't fully exist as part of Space Time - which could explain why so much of his life wasn't fully predictable by the Prophets, because his timeline isn't fully linear the way the rest of the Universe's timelines are. So when he was fighting Q, Q had no idea Sisko would strike him - which is why he was so surprised. And because of the unknown variable that is Sisko, Q avoided him from that point forward - explaining why he shoed up so much more in TNG, VOY, and Picard (even popping up in Lower Decks that one time) but never in the other series - even though he's obviously capable of traversing all of time and space, including other timelines/realities.
Imagine Marina Sirtis' face when they told her:
Showrunners: "Today, you're going to be cake."
Marina: "What, you mean like jumping out of one?"
Showrunners: "...You should be so lucky..."
I always suspected that scene was heavily inspired by the music video for Tom Petty's “Don’t Come Around Here No More”
@@BCBaron Which was Tom Petty's most WTF video.
You mean we should be so lucky. 😉
I thought Riker already had her cake?🤭
The thing people forget about Q is that he only arrives to teach a lesson and uses mischief and games to force you to discover the lesson for yourself.
When Cisco finally snapped and punched him he said that Picard wouldn't have hit him and Cisco responded that he wasn't Picard.
Q then affirmed that no he wasn't (Picard) and left indicating that the lesson was to remind Cisco that he shouldn't try to resolve his problems like someone he wasn't.
Once Cisco got the message there was no reason to stay and without Vash's involvement Q felt no obligation to interfere with someone who wasn't Picard.
It is important to remember that Cisco had only just started his new post in charge of DS9 and he was struggling to deal with all the problems cropping up while trying to be someone like Picard who uses diplomacy to resolve issues as a preference to force or violence although still capable of both.
He was handicapping himself trying to be someone else and Q made him realize that.
We can reasonably assume that Q only shows up with the Voyager crew to show them they aren't truly alone and forgotten and to give them some measure of connection to home even if it is Q.
Making These Are The Voyages as Enterprise's finale is easily #1 for me.
It's telling that even Jolene Blakock and Scott Bakula, by all accounts one of *the* nicest guys in Hollywood, *hated* the episode and called it stupid and a bad idea
Ironically, it was one of the first Enterprise episodes that I saw (its original broadcast). I was very, very confused.
@@jfess1911 oh, you poor thing. 😕
Agreed, for any trouble enterprise had making that the end was just... seriously, what other ideas did you have that made that the best option?
I never understood how Data, arguably the most advanced cybernetic organism ever created, had a simple 'on/off' switch on his back. That's like one-step removed from the clapper light.
*yeah, you would think Data would have the ability to internally disconnect that switch given the obvious danger to his personal survival it presented*
Lore has one too. Obviously for safety reasons.
We have a whole bunch all over our body, with varying force thresholds even.
So we truely are more advanced than Data
I bet everyone on Utopia Planetia wished the off switch was easy to get to
Or what about how easy it is to remove his limbs? A simple little twist and Riker took off Data’s hand during his trial…which in and of itself was a WTF moment to me! Something of THAT huge of importance to be managed so hastily by some random officers with no official experience in law and a single judge?!?! All to determine the status of not just a single individual but potentially an entire species of androids?!?!
6:13 so, does that mean that Worf and Jadzia's "intimate time" was... oh my- oh my *technical difficulties, please stand by*
Trials and Tribulations is up there in the favourites. The Mighty Ferengi too.
The Magnificent Ferengi is amazing and something I'd like to see more of in new Trek. I mean you had the light hearted story book thing in SNW but that was a kinda niche story.
My favourite bit is when they Weekend At Bernies the Vorta at the end and he just keeps walking into the wall 😂
I am increasingly impressed with the number of obscure references the Lower Decks writers make to other Trek series and movies. These guys (and gals, one assumes) must spend hours and hours scouring episodes to find just the right one-offs to put into their scripts. The skeleton of Spock 2? Crikey, you really had to know your Trek to catch that one.
I especially appreciate the callbacks to the animated series.
The obscure jokey references are the main appeal of the series, I like that sometimes I have to look up what the hell a joke is referencing
They should have them find some of the crew that Kojan turned into large shapes in "By Any Other Name", then have them use them as dice in a role playing game.
or ....they could have no lives.
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Burnham being told that Voq, L'relle, and the other Klingons who were trapped in the Sarcophagus ship basically had to eat Philippa Georgiou's corpse is definitely one of those WTF moments.
The Ash and lady Klingon sex scene as well.
Chinese take-out.
Deanna troi cake, fantastic ♥
"cellular peptide cake with mint frosting," and Worf LOVES IT.
Iz delicheous!
Another WTF episode was the Star trek Voyager episode, "Dark Oblivion". This episode depicted the grim fate of a cloned Voyager crew. Who attempted to leave there galaxy. But unfortunately they never made it. It was surreal to see the real crew at the end of the show.
That was one of the saddest VOY episodes 😢
My WTF Trek moment is actually one that didn't happen. In ST: Generations, when Picard and Kirk are talking on horseback, there is mention of Spock, and yet the writers seemed to all have forgotten that both men had mind melded with Spock and they missed a golden opportunity to acknowledge it. LL&P
imagine going so fast you turn into a lizard turn a woman into a lizard the same way so you two can have lizard babies together and then get turned back into humans after all that fun🤣
I always thought the one where Yar boinked Data was out there ...
I love that episode, so many great acting moments in it. You can tell they had fun filming it.
and it was like the second/third episode of the series. Like, “you must stand for the crimes of your entire species before a god” and then Yar uses Data as a sex toy the very next episode. talk about your 180s…
Also, in reference to number one, we originally saw Kor, Kang, and Koloth, TOS Klingons that we saw later on in an episode of DS9 that looked more like Klingons and less human in their much later years.
Lately, I wonder what would have happened if Earth sent the Ktarians some antique smartphones loaded with Candy Crush and Pet Rescue Saga in retaliation . . . ?
Between the actor playing Michael's belief that acting is constantly whipering while gurning and the rest of the Discovery's crew constantly congratulating each other for being so darned fantastic, I lost any exciting or good moments because I couldn't see through my tears of pain or hear over my constant begging for it all to stop just please for God's sake stop.
But so anyway this was very nice video, great work as always👍😁
9:14 clone also comes with a cloned star trek uniform. lol
How else would you know it's Spock? I don't wanna be that guy but they all do kinda look the same...
@@40KBunker star fleet had to provide a giant uniform
I was always amused by the TOS episode SPOCK'S BRAIN, when McCoy and later Kirk were able to control Spock's body with a garage door remote. The funniest part was when RC Spock walked into a bush before entering the cave.
Crusher, crushing on a ghost.
It's surprising that they didn't mention the warp speed limit and causing damage to subspace.
That was solved with the Enterprise-E's warp engines, onward.
That concept definitely fell into the WTF category.
5:37 With mint frosting!
The was some pretty crazy deep digging. I'd say that one episode were Picard and Riker both phaser some admirals head till it exploded with alien worms or something. I think it later got banded for airing but not till I saw it several times as a kid.
TNGs5e12 where an alien telepathically "violated" a crying counsellor Troi for days omg
One thing that was always a "WTF moment" for me was the Ophidian in the two-part TNG episode "Time's Arrow." Star Trek has had many different technologies and devices for time travel, but for this episode, the writers came up with a magical snake. We never learn where the snake came from, what it uses its powers for, how the parasitic aliens learned about it and captured it, etc.
Help out a 49er
It's not an episode I ever saw but my first thought would be that a magical time snake might be some sort of reference to the mythical Ouroboros (the snake eating it's own tail) symbolising the endless cyclical nature of time/death/rebirth. What do you think?
I thought it was just how they made their time device to look.
My pastor worked in these shows 😂 he was mostly a Vulcan 🖖
Well, Klingon Sex is Wild. I mean a Klingon Woman in "Heat" pure animal, sharp teeth & claws no wonder the guys need the "extras"😂
That Like and Subscribe had me Pausing and rewinding like "was that always there?"
Most of these were WTF moments. Just quirky ones that gave us a short laugh or thought. The last one with the Klingons was a great one as it did address an issue that had bothered fans since TMP gave us Klingons with skull ridges. And even better when ENT explained what happened. Two bad when DIS made all the corrections in season 2, they did not address the new look to the Klingons. Going back to Trail and Tribblations -it is a reverse continuity error since what happened on ENT was 200 years before DSN, The Klingon augmented virus was to last a generation and since Klingons live 100-150 years then the last of the augmented Klingons died out only 20 years or so before Bashier was born. It is hard to believe that Bashier would not have studied this in medical school esp in both xenobiology classes and enhanced genetics classes. Since Bashier knew he was genetically enhanced then he especially would have focused on genetic enhancement in his career and hard to picture how he could avoid knowing of the Klingon augmentation visus..
Uuuh, WTF moments, totally here for it!
David Cross @ 2:45??
Well it's not Tobias, he's a never nude.
Don’t tell me you wouldn’t eat a slice of Marina Sirtis. If you say you no, you’re lying! I got her autograph from a Star Trek convention.
Now then Andrew, we're not going to make a comment about how much Worf enjoyed eating Troi's cake, are we?
We're better than that, aren't we Andrew?
😂
Almost as much as he loved Riker's eggs
You are absolutely not better than that Andrew ☺️
...with mint frosting!
Eff that! Scream it at everyone you see!
I just want to wish anyone reading this a wonderful day you're beautiful, smart and hard-working person and you deserve to be happy ❤
Same to you! ❤ You're brilliant and deserve all the happiness.
that plot where wesley was about to get executed for falling on flowers
that wasn't the most shocking part - the sweater he was wearing was worse.
Somehow the biggest WTF was mentioned but not as a WTF: when a baby cried and caused the whole galaxy to explode. "The burn" is IMO the biggest WTF in all of star trek.
The whole "burn" thing just "makes my blood scream". A Kelpan kid cried and every ship in every fleet that ran on dilithium exploded tearing the federation apart?! for a century? Where were the writers of Discovery's brains? It seemed that Depressed Star Trek haters wrote it. What annoyed me most was the unnecessarily oppressive darkness of Discovery and most of Picard. I really hope the Dystopian period of Star Trek is over. This is from a fire-breathing Spock fan of 50 years mind you.
I have one WTF moment for season 2 of picard. When Roffi and 7 stop the ICE buss to rescue Rios. The two have a cellphone like tricorder on them as they do their thing, then all the detainees escape and a kid on the buss calls someone. Where'd the phone come from? More over, where'd the tricorder go? You never see it again. I'm still convinced that kid either took their tricorder, or it got dropped and he picked it up, thinking it was a phone. Funny thing, as he is seen pushing buttons, it sounds like their tricorder. And it's never retrieved.
Quark and Rom pleading for their mom to get naked and Rom resting his head on her lap was wtf moment #1.
Wtf moment #2 was the episode "Conspiracy" where we see Remmicks head explode and he is a headless corpse with the creature ripping open his stomach.
And there was never a follow-up episode.
The mutation for klingons makes even LESS sense after seeing what they looked like in the first season of Discovery
I grew to love Discovery and embrace their vision of the show, but those slow talking Klingons from season 1 were a dreadful reimagining of the species. I've noticed they haven't taken too many liberties with other races since then, other than perhaps sprucing them up for the 4k streaming world.
Worf beating the crap out of those weaker TOS Klingons was hilarious. He literally punched one, picked him up like a ragdoll, and threw him like a sack of potatoes.
That cake scene scared me as a kid.. I had a couple dreams about it to. But I got older and saw the whole series and loved it.
That one "standing room only" planet from TOS still freaks me out. Surprised it didn't make the list.
"The Mark of Gideon"
I always thought the Mark Twain episode on TNG was a bit of a wtf.
Remember Tuvix from Voyager?
Re:Two What? Has no man experienced two streams in the morning? It's common that if one has disĉharged and doesn't "flush" in a timely manner, the $ will dry and affect flow.
with mint frosting
Deanna's cake, yum!!! 🖖
There was a Star Trek tabletop RPG that gave a very good explanation for the disparity in the appearance of the Klingons -- this was several years before TNG. In the game, the second version created for the movies, with the bone ridges on the foehead, were the original Klingons, the so-called Imperial race. They deliberately created the more human-looking alternates through genetic engineering as a means of dealing with their major rivals, the humans
of the Federation. Human/Klingon hybrids would supposedly be able to think more like humans, and thereby outthink them in battle. There was also supposed to be a Romulan/Klingon hybrid, but TOS never got around to showing those because the USS Enterprise had no opportunity to patrol the border between those two factions. By the time of the Trek movie era, though, the policy had changed, the Imperial race were being redeployed along all borders, and the hybrids were being phased out.
@@user-mg5mv2tn8q That's at least somewhat similar to what happened in _Enterprise._
I often wondered if the writers of that arc of the show were aware of the game, and perhaps partly inspired by it.
Missed this when it was released.
I like the NX enterprise under B'lanna's elbow, and the Like And Subscribe inside Data.
Picard watching his computer in the ready room, observing Data on the bridge was good.
And the Horgon next to Deanna on the bed as she's inviting Worf to sit with her was almost too quick.
Oh, and does Tom know he was inserted into Boimler's arse?
Check out 3:08 👍
@@BuhurtUK There isn't an emoji for that.
THANK YOU.
Oh hang on, here it is ✔️.
I'm stunned.
Grateful, and stunned.
Firstly, how did I miss that?
These acronyms support my feelings on this:
HFS
HFFS
HFFFFS
And secondly, Thank You again
I've tried double liking, and double subscribing, but I've only succeeded in watching the Klingons Double Ding Dongs again.
@@FirstDan2000 it took a while but we got there in end 👍 may the games continue, and thanks for your continued support 🖖
The Troi cake reminded me of the Alice in Wonderland cake in the music video for Don't Come Around Here No More by Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers.
The episode where Riker was stung by a plant and the only way to save his life was to make him remember the most horrible things that happened to him.
Do they have RIDGES?!?
Tom needs to know.
I know Ruffles have ridges, and there are more than two to a bag.
0:40. Sorry I'm immune. But y'all ain't.
I always wanted a Deanna Troy cake.
I hope without her still-conscious head...
Otherwise you're a freaky person. 😉
@@mooniejohnson Well yeah, that'd be a bit... Distracting.
I'd like to troy a piece of cake...
I cake was used in a Tom Petty video a few years before TNG did it
One that screams and begs for mercy as you cut it? :D
Ok I’m just really glad that your thumbnail proves that wasn’t a fever dream
I'm not a super fan of Star Trek but I am a fan... I've never heard of Lower Decks... Where can I watch it?
Prime and Paramount Plus by the looks of it. It's a fun addition 👍
_"Ama gonna knock Q out, mamma said knock Q out"._
Brilliant 👏
@@BuhurtUK Everyone got a plan until they get punched in the mouth.
Making us all lose The Game was a blast from the past...
Yeah . . . Went 3 years without losing . . . Damn you!
The chainsaw was... used for C-sections?... Good God.
Why was Worf & Troi's breakup never addressed in DS9?
Vash is and forever will be one of the hottest women on Trek. LORD!
That thumbnail makes me wanna start singing Tom Petty...🎵Don't come around here no more, don't come around here no more... whatever you're looking for... *HEY!*
Don't come around here no more. Give it up, STAHP!🎵
(Data's cake was likely inspired by a 1980s Tom Petty music video, involving him dressed up like the Mad Hatter cutting into a living Alice in Wonderland cake).
To think Janeway and Paris just left their offspring in the delta quadrant
Helicopter parents.
Did y’all forget the time they blew up a guys head?
9:10 Was it a decision? I mean, being that big, Spock Two would have been unable to board the Enterprise. As far as we know there are no member races that are several times the size of a human, so there may not be a starship large enough for Spock Two.
Carry him in the hold along with the whales.
@@brodriguez11000 First off, that was the Enterprise, not a Klingon ship. And also, Spock 2 was bigger than a humpback whale.
FYI, any Star Trek video not showing 7 of 9 in her form-fitting outfit is a fail.
Idk if you guys have touched on this before, but what are your thoughts on the economics of the Trek universe.
Famously Picard says "there's no money in the future, we work for the betterment of ourselves" but that's directly contradicted in TNG encounter at Farpoint when Dr Crusher says to charge the price of the fabric to her account.
Personal theory, that in the Federation thebstate provides housing and replicator supply food so that struggle is free from our lives, but luxuries like toys, fancy clothing, personal vehicles, etc still have a cost.
Like I think people are still paying some form of currency to eat as Siskos in New Orleans.
Just curious what you guys and gals at Trek Culture think of the topic ^.^
It's a weird thing that I still can't really get my head around. Like working for that promotion to the next rank, it's more responsibility and for no material benefit. It would probably mean you get the right person for the job but what if there isn't enough of the right people?
Certainly an interesting question.
If the "Troi cake" was chocolate, then Troi would of liked that. She might of even eaten herself.
I *would have* liked for you to use proper English, which you *might have* written but you didn't. I don't have to spell out what that makes you… or do I? I probably *would have* to, but UA-cam wouldn't like it if I called you something that ends with "cile" and starts with "imbe".
You put such attention into explaining how the Original Series Klingons were revealed to have a canon explanation as why they look different from the Next Generation, Voyager and DS9 Klingons - but absolutely no explanation into the genetic mutation which caused Klingons to have two dongs in Discovery...
Everyone wanted a 'piece of Deanna Troi.
Wait! I'm sorry but....WHAT? Riker and Picard blowing Remmick's head off in the "Conspiracy" episode didn't make it? Granted that was more of a "Holy Shit!" moment really....WTF!
TNG camel toe episode with dr crusher and dianna troy was mildly amusing.
Worf, a DP-specialist?
But all so fun, goofy yet thought provoking in many ways. Gotta love that Trek Culture! 😂❤
It's a lot of WTF Star Trek Moment .
I could eat a Troi cake all day.
And some hair pie
What No ghost love from TNG
They showed some clips from it, if that counts?
"Ghost Love" is quite literal!
The salamander part was odd. It is fun though to see all the strange episodes.
May the force be with you
Nanu Nanu
That was one of my favorite voyager episodes
Do the TOS Klingons still have 2? Maybe that's why the Tribbles scream when they're near.
Turned in to an amphibian! not a lizard.
And if Klingon men have two, do Klingon women have two? And do they need to use both to get pregnant, or will either one work? And if the do need both, than how do the get it on with humans? Did Tom need to go back and forth from one to the other to get Belana pregnent?
These are valid questions that had to be cut from this video for the sake of brevity as otherwise the rabbit hole that this is would have spun it out for many hours 😂
@@BuhurtUK Or would that be.... TWO rabbit holes?
So. Many. Questions. … And I’m not even an exobiologist.
suck my ridges has a new connotation to it now its from TNG crew ep on family guy
Ending it on the Klingons... Makes me feel The largest WTfunk moment relating to them, Was in discovery, when the strange new Aliens they are interacting with are called Klingons.
Interesting clothing and ship designs all around, but rather shocking to see something clearly different from decades of content, be called a Klingon.