“...I’ve been really lazy...” says the guy who has engineered and built a race car in his garage by himself. Not to mention document the entire process. I think the patrons will understand if you wait till the end to update the panel. Great work. It makes me miss the FSAE team at TN Tech when I was in eng. school.
This video has been very informative and easy to follow. I’ve seen other videos discussing tuning however they never explain things in a way i can understand clearly. And I know cars. Lol this series is awesome! I also bought one of your shirts you sell! Keep on keeping on bro! 👍
Yeh but thats only good for seeing what type of knock frequency your getting to set the right bandwidth. The actual raw knock values you get at high boost / high rpm are higher
I really enjoyed the engineering lesson in this video. I've seen other tuners briefly mention VE Tables and your explanation finally made it all make sense. You learn to understand and it shows in your explanation. M113K engine is built like a tank! Now I can see why Mercedes-Benz AMG Performance went with twin turbo in the V center of the V8 engine. Way more efficient and better performance. I really enjoyed the build project and just now had time to catch up on your videos. Keep up the great work! I'm already booking time off in my calendar to see your ASL55AMG on the time attack days when you announce them on your channel!
My girlfriend is on the phone and I wanna scream out loud because I just opened UA-cam and at the very top was this video... So now I am holding a shout and it hurts Flippin UA-cam not pushing my notification
@@Turbochargedtwelve with a more efficient intake design he can run less boost to make the same power, thereby creating less heat and helping the engine live longer.
@@michelevitarelli maybe not right now, but he said his end goal is 700+ hp. Heat grows exponentially with boost. If he's at 550~ right now, he'll have to get close to 15-16 psi to hit that goal, and that's really the highest boost you can safely run with pump gas and an a2a intercooler.
I was impressed with your engineering ability before this video and now I’m really impressed. You should apply for careers in F1. They look for people like you.
Very true but 80% of F1 teams are based in the UK and there are a tonne if motorsport engineers with tons of experience in the other formulas. You have to work your way up too and prove yourself. Formula Renault, Formula Ford, F3000 , F3 , F3 Hap, F2
Someone give this man 3 days of dyno + really strong clutch! That will be a monster! BTW: In what power output are you aiming? From what I've get from this video it wouldbe 600+, 700+? Plus around 800 Nm of Torque - on wheels? This one + 4 rotor from Rob Dahm are only YT projects that I'm watching! Best one ever!
The real difference between this and Rob Dahm is that (with all the respect due to Rob) Rob calls what he does "engineering" when he actually isn't doing absolutely anything related to engineering, while this guy right here is actually giving us for free 40min flawless lectures with actual engineering facts. I really hope he never takes down these vids. (and again, I'm not mocking Rob Dahm or anything, I love his project and I follow every of his vids, but I just think he's quite overrated)
i also agree that valve overlap and agressive cams are used in NA cars...also head porting doesnt make much difference in a forced induction car while on a NA car is the key to good power
@@ReubenHorner Often times the school of thought when building an engine, specific for forced induction, is having the Exhaust valve lift 10% or so greater than what you would build an NA engine at. Secondly, the greater the valve overlap, the more boost pressure is sent into the exhaust and isn't then used during the power stroke. NA engines and Boosted engines work on fundamentally different principles to optimize the basic cycles of a 4 stoke engine. The continuous flow created by overlap is adventurous when exploiting fluid flow of a vacuum operated induction. However, getting that valve closed and the cylinder pressure up (assuming proper F/A) is the name of the game for boosted engines; valve overlap vents that pressure.
From my perspective, it's really nice to have someone explain what all those charts and values mean. The so called 'crappy diagram' did exactly what it was supposed to. I think there are too many reference points to list by name, and the diagram did it's job. Thanks for making these videos; they are more educational, and inspiring than you probaly imagine.
At approximately 35:45 "There was definately a thing or two done right with the engine" (build). Well said my friend! Thinking back to the intake manifold video I said to my self, it will be interesting to see how this intake looks on the dyno maps (especially during transition from atmospheric to boost), but you have obviously created a masterpiece which has only just begun to show it's true capabilities.
You sir are an absolute God. Please never stop doing what you're doing! None of us followers of yours will ever thank you enough for what you're providing us for free. I'm pretty sure everyone would gladly pay for all these masterpieces of lessons, chapeau!
The only thing I can think from this is that you could probably gain quite a bit of top end by getting a cast LS intake manifold, chopping the plenum off of it and putting it on your runners. In my experience, I know my engine would breathe better up top with a bigger plenum volume than I have, but I went with one with dual runners instead to get a bit better spool. (4g64) This for sure works though, but i'm sure you're always trying to think of ways to make things better. If you're concerned about fitting the throttle body, what a lot of CTS-V guys do and I'm sure others as well is move the throttle body out farther, so there will be an elbow off of the mainfold and the throttle body sits down lower to let the intake clear the hood on those cars.
Thanks for explaining things clearly. Why though, didn't they call it a Volumetric Efficiency Graphical Enumeration Table or VEGETable? For Vegans you could have a Volumetrically Efficient Graphical Automatic Numeration System. For Carnivores you could have a My Engine Ain't Turnin' Over, Metered Analytical Tabulated Index Calculator or MEAT'O'MATIC. AEM.... Auto Electrical Magicians. MERCEDES..... My Engine Runs Cool Except During Events Somehow.
VE is not what you mentioned in video ( for standalone ecus, not engine VE ) it is a fuel control strategy aem just start to use on infinity series ecus, aem series 1 , 2 and ems4 use miliseconds for fuel control strategy so there is no VE table you have to write ms values in the boxes but it is too hard to tune engine with this method cos fuel output depends on lots of values you cant give output only with fuel table Ecu mix Map, clt, engine constant, iat, fuel table, warmup accelerstion enrichment etc. Than calculate the output value it is easy with VE table Besides you cant lower the torque curve start point by increasing the boost pressure cos your turbochargers will start boosting at the same rpm the torque curve will rise but the start point will be the same rpm
You need more subscribers man, between your channel and badobsessionmotorsport, I'm lost for days. Your addictive to listen to and your channel you actually learn
On the ignition timing graph (20 minutes in ) the maximum force obtained with ignition firing (brown line) is 500 units and without ignition (blue line) the maximum is 250 units. I would have expected a much greater difference, we are comparing a virtual explosion in the cylinder to the cylinder simply uncompressing
The tracks in California are very high speed, it is not like Cayuga which is very slow like driving in a parking lot. They are more like Mosport big track. Do you have any experience on any high speed tracks? I'm not sure doing shakedown during a time attack is best idea what are your thoughts?
In the 3d graphic at 8:50ish.. I see the injector is set to fire when the intake valve is open.. I'm my opinion (that is backed up with what I have seen on HPA) You should fire the injectors when the intake valve is closed and it will provide a slight economy advantage. Nothing huge tho.
Wouldn't it be worth it to buy a set of used tyre blankets to test the car quickly? Or tyres (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 or hillclimbing slicks) that work when cold?
Come on bro, that's 9psi on a supercharger. A supercharger which pushes less air than your turbos and takes horsepower to be spun up. Of course you're gonna make more power and torque than stock. Plus you're not running an exhaust or emissions equipment. It's a no brainer really.
You should get rid of that whole shifting mech and just get the kit that turns any trans into a sequential. I saw it on Instagram it’s way cleaner no wires less weight.
this is dope! car makes very good HP/TQ! and look at that graph. thats very usable power and the boost is only at 9psi! wow! anyway, I'll see you at GTA / Super Lap Battle at Buttonwillow this weekend!
Great video, I love the detail. Oh, I didn't think your computer animation was crappy at all, it was totally fine. One last thing, did I spot a lime green VW Corrado in the dyno-shop car-park?
Boost is always regulated in turbo engines. Usually by opening a valve that let part of the exhaust gasses by-pass the turbo(‘s). Some turbo’s have movable vanes that direct the exhaust airflow. So boost is raised by opening such a valve at a higher pressure. On modern cars these valves are controlled by the ECU (As opposed to by a spring).
Hi...thanks for your videos...watching them with great interest! I'm also building project on m113 engine and a standalone ecu...can you give me a tip, on which tooth after 2 missing ones, the TDC in 1'st cylinder comes in this engine...I guess you had this issue during the build....thank you....
“...I’ve been really lazy...” says the guy who has engineered and built a race car in his garage by himself. Not to mention document the entire process. I think the patrons will understand if you wait till the end to update the panel. Great work. It makes me miss the FSAE team at TN Tech when I was in eng. school.
meanwhile im still stuck on a body swap on my ae86 since this time 2019....
Oh my god! 40 mins long vid?! WHAT A TREAT!
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You should apply at mercedes racing division
IvelLeCog I feel like he would be one of the Mercedes engineers on those Mercedes Instagram videos and behind the scenes videos.
I want to see this man in a photo of Mercedes F1 when they win the championship :D
seriously
he could build these and start a new series of racing lol
A guy like this is not a good fit at a big corporation. He needs to do his own thing.
This video has been very informative and easy to follow. I’ve seen other videos discussing tuning however they never explain things in a way i can understand clearly. And I know cars. Lol this series is awesome! I also bought one of your shirts you sell! Keep on keeping on bro! 👍
So the torque curve should be called a torque straight line in this case?
Is the ECU using torque management mode?
Lol if you watch the video the ecu isn’t but the tuner was. He was intentionally limiting ignition advance to clamp torque down.
@@Turbochargedtwelve I'm talking about ECU strategies inside the computer, not tuning.
I prefer torque shelf myself.
Flat torque line is ideal on track
You are teaching us so much with this impressive project. No one takes the time to explain tuning in this much detail. Thank you.
I just love this project
you want a stronger cage, man thats a lot of power for that small of a cage, keep yourself safe!
How to tune a Mercedes AMG engine:
Take the compressor off. 😂
i literally woohoo-ed when i saw this video......... That's how much i am looking forward to this!!!!!!!!
Did you ever go to a safe region and intentionally knock the motor just to make sure the ecm is detecting it correctly?
Yeh but thats only good for seeing what type of knock frequency your getting to set the right bandwidth. The actual raw knock values you get at high boost / high rpm are higher
Hopefully all the big race teams are subbed ... someone needs to give you some serious sponsorship
I really enjoyed the engineering lesson in this video. I've seen other tuners briefly mention VE Tables and your explanation finally made it all make sense. You learn to understand and it shows in your explanation.
M113K engine is built like a tank! Now I can see why Mercedes-Benz AMG Performance went with twin turbo in the V center of the V8 engine. Way more efficient and better performance. I really enjoyed the build project and just now had time to catch up on your videos.
Keep up the great work! I'm already booking time off in my calendar to see your ASL55AMG on the time attack days when you announce them on your channel!
You know it's going to be great when he says "I'm just going to take some time to explain"
Keep up with those amazing videos
Never clicked so fast all my life
Dude you make Mechanical Engineering come to life!
First! Also can’t wait to see the complete project. Are you gonna do the carbon fibre body?
Looks wicked out on the road, watch out for cops!!
explained really well, even i did understand, good stuff!
My girlfriend is on the phone and I wanna scream out loud because I just opened UA-cam and at the very top was this video... So now I am holding a shout and it hurts
Flippin UA-cam not pushing my notification
Get rid of you girl and beat your meat to this project 😂
@@410kane fax lmao
Would be interesting to see what the maximum power level is on this intake manifold then making a tubular more gently tapered one and comparing them.
He’s got so much power already. Not worth the effort I suspect.
@@Turbochargedtwelve for science!
@@Turbochargedtwelve with a more efficient intake design he can run less boost to make the same power, thereby creating less heat and helping the engine live longer.
@@Ribbityibzki is in the low single digits percentage and not worth pursuing.
@@michelevitarelli maybe not right now, but he said his end goal is 700+ hp. Heat grows exponentially with boost. If he's at 550~ right now, he'll have to get close to 15-16 psi to hit that goal, and that's really the highest boost you can safely run with pump gas and an a2a intercooler.
I was impressed with your engineering ability before this video and now I’m really impressed. You should apply for careers in F1. They look for people like you.
Very true but 80% of F1 teams are based in the UK and there are a tonne if motorsport engineers with tons of experience in the other formulas. You have to work your way up too and prove yourself. Formula Renault, Formula Ford, F3000 , F3 , F3 Hap, F2
Someone give this man 3 days of dyno + really strong clutch! That will be a monster!
BTW: In what power output are you aiming? From what I've get from this video it wouldbe 600+, 700+? Plus around 800 Nm of Torque - on wheels?
This one + 4 rotor from Rob Dahm are only YT projects that I'm watching! Best one ever!
The real difference between this and Rob Dahm is that (with all the respect due to Rob) Rob calls what he does "engineering" when he actually isn't doing absolutely anything related to engineering, while this guy right here is actually giving us for free 40min flawless lectures with actual engineering facts. I really hope he never takes down these vids.
(and again, I'm not mocking Rob Dahm or anything, I love his project and I follow every of his vids, but I just think he's quite overrated)
1:01 you didn't build your own ECU! UN-SUBBING!!!
Impressive ! Clever tuition got my hat off 🍺🙆♂️👌
Man that was great. Can't wait for you to put in a good clutch and get some time on the dyno at full boost.
Actually, Valve over-lap on a forced induction engine is generally decreased or even nearly eliminated.
i also agree that valve overlap and agressive cams are used in NA cars...also head porting doesnt make much difference in a forced induction car while on a NA car is the key to good power
And valve lift goes up with "bigger" cams
@@ReubenHorner Often times the school of thought when building an engine, specific for forced induction, is having the Exhaust valve lift 10% or so greater than what you would build an NA engine at. Secondly, the greater the valve overlap, the more boost pressure is sent into the exhaust and isn't then used during the power stroke. NA engines and Boosted engines work on fundamentally different principles to optimize the basic cycles of a 4 stoke engine. The continuous flow created by overlap is adventurous when exploiting fluid flow of a vacuum operated induction. However, getting that valve closed and the cylinder pressure up (assuming proper F/A) is the name of the game for boosted engines; valve overlap vents that pressure.
Thanks for taking the time to explain all of this shit.
Extremely excited to see how you go in California
From my perspective, it's really nice to have someone explain what all those charts and values mean. The so called 'crappy diagram' did exactly what it was supposed to.
I think there are too many reference points to list by name, and the diagram did it's job. Thanks for making these videos; they are more educational, and inspiring than you probaly imagine.
You could see 580 hp at the wheels at 6,500 rpm. Nice.
Please keep us updated on Instagram on the way to California and about your track day
Maybe the coolest build I've ever seen.
You need to take this car to a proper F1 race track
At approximately 35:45 "There was definately a thing or two done right with the engine" (build). Well said my friend! Thinking back to the intake manifold video I said to my self, it will be interesting to see how this intake looks on the dyno maps (especially during transition from atmospheric to boost), but you have obviously created a masterpiece which has only just begun to show it's true capabilities.
8:44 "crappy animation" he called it. This guy is my minister of awesome *InKingJulian'sVoice😂
Jafar Ismail
Exactly my thoughts too!
Nothing crappy about that animation.
Thanks very much, its free on youtube, this much knowledge, now i understood how engine is tuned, and get max power out of it. Thanks
You sir are an absolute God.
Please never stop doing what you're doing!
None of us followers of yours will ever thank you enough for what you're providing us for free.
I'm pretty sure everyone would gladly pay for all these masterpieces of lessons, chapeau!
Is it just me or do the left driveaxle look out of center?
Or is it the hub dyno?
29:10
JONT3pro
It might be just a color difference that makes it look off-center. Just my guess.
Gonna rewatch this a few times... so much to learn about engine mapping which was explained really well 👍👍
The only thing I can think from this is that you could probably gain quite a bit of top end by getting a cast LS intake manifold, chopping the plenum off of it and putting it on your runners. In my experience, I know my engine would breathe better up top with a bigger plenum volume than I have, but I went with one with dual runners instead to get a bit better spool. (4g64) This for sure works though, but i'm sure you're always trying to think of ways to make things better. If you're concerned about fitting the throttle body, what a lot of CTS-V guys do and I'm sure others as well is move the throttle body out farther, so there will be an elbow off of the mainfold and the throttle body sits down lower to let the intake clear the hood on those cars.
Have you had any problems with ignition system? Misfire under higher boost? How many AEM amplifiers have you used in this project? Two or four?
Make more lectures con vehicle dynamics, suspension theory, steering theory, braking , wheel and tyre etc.plz plz
Thanks for explaining things clearly. Why though, didn't they call it a Volumetric Efficiency Graphical Enumeration Table or VEGETable?
For Vegans you could have a Volumetrically Efficient Graphical Automatic Numeration System.
For Carnivores you could have a My Engine Ain't Turnin' Over, Metered Analytical Tabulated Index Calculator or MEAT'O'MATIC.
AEM.... Auto Electrical Magicians.
MERCEDES..... My Engine Runs Cool Except During Events Somehow.
VE is not what you mentioned in video ( for standalone ecus, not engine VE ) it is a fuel control strategy aem just start to use on infinity series ecus, aem series 1 , 2 and ems4 use miliseconds for fuel control strategy so there is no VE table you have to write ms values in the boxes but it is too hard to tune engine with this method cos fuel output depends on lots of values you cant give output only with fuel table
Ecu mix Map, clt, engine constant, iat, fuel table, warmup accelerstion enrichment etc. Than calculate the output value it is easy with VE table
Besides you cant lower the torque curve start point by increasing the boost pressure cos your turbochargers will start boosting at the same rpm the torque curve will rise but the start point will be the same rpm
Just the best!
If only you were my TA for all my engineering classes, I would be so much better off lol
You need more subscribers man, between your channel and badobsessionmotorsport, I'm lost for days. Your addictive to listen to and your channel you actually learn
On the ignition timing graph (20 minutes in ) the maximum force obtained with ignition firing (brown line) is 500 units and without ignition (blue line) the maximum is 250 units. I would have expected a much greater difference, we are comparing a virtual explosion in the cylinder to the cylinder simply uncompressing
The tracks in California are very high speed, it is not like Cayuga which is very slow like driving in a parking lot. They are more like Mosport big track. Do you have any experience on any high speed tracks? I'm not sure doing shakedown during a time attack is best idea what are your thoughts?
In the 3d graphic at 8:50ish.. I see the injector is set to fire when the intake valve is open..
I'm my opinion (that is backed up with what I have seen on HPA)
You should fire the injectors when the intake valve is closed and it will provide a slight economy advantage. Nothing huge tho.
Wouldn't it be worth it to buy a set of used tyre blankets to test the car quickly?
Or tyres (Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 or hillclimbing slicks) that work when cold?
Come on bro, that's 9psi on a supercharger. A supercharger which pushes less air than your turbos and takes horsepower to be spun up. Of course you're gonna make more power and torque than stock. Plus you're not running an exhaust or emissions equipment. It's a no brainer really.
You should get rid of that whole shifting mech and just get the kit that turns any trans into a sequential. I saw it on Instagram it’s way cleaner no wires less weight.
Oh, the one you saw on Insta.
Conservator he talked about it a few vídeos back. But idk why he said he haven’t done it yet
No Limit Brian ok sorry, I didn’t know.
40 min video? I'm going to blast ropes to this one. No nut november be damned
I believe that engine can do at least 600 to 650 BHP with extreme margins of reliability.
easily. Easy, only needs to be driven to that level.
this is an unbelievably good video. You make everything seem so easy!
31:40 a few flames out of the waste gate :D
This part explain so many things that i didn't understand before. Thank you
you`re the definition of a one-man army or in this case, a one-man engineering team. really enjoy the series
Once again, congrats and thanks for the tuning class you're giving to us!
Turbo's make more torque than superchargers lol
Get a mcloed clutch if you upgrade
The supercharger robs power and heats the air a ton. No wonder the superior TURBO gives greater results.
Any technical book or guide to learn how to remap ECUs? At least the basics
This is so good, OMG
Valve overlap seems stupid? Let me introduce you to two-strokes ladies and gentlemen.
really educational and i think a actually leaarned some basic tuning tips here, may save me some headache on my ms volvo build
37:55 Is that a Bentley ?? Nice video as usual. Learn a lot from it. Good luck in your time attack. Amazing dyno results.
Leon Liang
Yep, No space in the garage because of the Rolls, Ferrari and Lamborghini. Shabby neighbourhood 🤣
I would prefer to use a good knock detector tool for such
Amazing project.
how did you setup/tune the lambada table(AFR)?
'his fuel pump is louder than your exaust'
this is dope! car makes very good HP/TQ! and look at that graph. thats very usable power and the boost is only at 9psi! wow! anyway, I'll see you at GTA / Super Lap Battle at Buttonwillow this weekend!
More hp less drivetrain loss because manual transmission.
Great video, I love the detail. Oh, I didn't think your computer animation was crappy at all, it was totally fine. One last thing, did I spot a lime green VW Corrado in the dyno-shop car-park?
Never clicked so fast on a video before
How can you raise the boost? The turbo turbine is fixed pitch right?
Boost is always regulated in turbo engines. Usually by opening a valve that let part of the exhaust gasses by-pass the turbo(‘s). Some turbo’s have movable vanes that direct the exhaust airflow.
So boost is raised by opening such a valve at a higher pressure. On modern cars these valves are controlled by the ECU (As opposed to by a spring).
Respect. Just respect.
Hi...thanks for your videos...watching them with great interest! I'm also building project on m113 engine and a standalone ecu...can you give me a tip, on which tooth after 2 missing ones, the TDC in 1'st cylinder comes in this engine...I guess you had this issue during the build....thank you....
Oh no he's pulling a Rob Dahm, make sure you take videos while you look for a new shop in LA.
Good luck dude and keep working we want to see it done
Far out, making 520HP with very conservative timing and less than 50% boost... Prep for some big numbers by the end mate!
The cylinder pressure graph is a brilliant visualization!
Nothing about flame front speeds, though?
i wish i had your knowledge and skills
Speaking of dynamic theories pertaining to engines and compressors,
see also: adiabatic efficiency.
Knowledge is (and makes) power.
It is a pleasure to see a your video everytime when you explain every single thing do on your project car! Greetings from Italy!
Great to see this build coming so close to being finished, been following since day 1. I'd be hella happy if I could see you in California
You need to do a patreon. Most genius go broke😊. Your content is genius as you were born for this. Keep the content coming.
Beautiful work man! Really inspiring! next rob dahm right here
Outstanding! Thx.
Best free tuning tutorial
Yo you deserve wayy more subscribers. Much love from Toronto !!
What a beast the m113k is
Cleetus McFarland
580wtq should be enough, safe for the engine and power control
Do you ever breath?
Great vids tho! Wish I could do this :(
So thats what it looks like. How did you learn Dyno tuning?
too much talking
Great vid! Will you be increasing the rev limit soon?
loop your fuel rails
Thanks for taking time out of your project to shows us some tuning. 👍
This guy is a genius
what is the top power of this bad boy? are you gonna try to found out?