Can a 7-inch Drone Freestyle? RIPPING a BIG FPV Kwad!
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- Stepping up to a larger prop like a 7in can provide longer flight times and faster cruising speeds... can you get all this while still being able to throw down Freestyle??
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Ive been freestyling a 7" quad for awhile, and i prefer it over any other sized quad, so its nice to see a company finally bringing light to these bigger quads. They aren't just for LR cruising! In tighter proximity, yeah, just use a 6" prop which will tame that down a bit, and make it a bit more nimble. The only thing about this RR 7" version, IMO, it's under-motored. Trust me, go with a Brother Hobby 2806.5 motor, especially if you're going with a 2200 Mah lipo. As far as a 6" prop, Azure 6145 BSP by far the best!
@WU LYU Yeah, it will pretty much fly just like a 6" but in my case, with those BH motors, it flys with a whole lot more power than a typical 6" set-up! Have a look!
ua-cam.com/video/E-h3zWuLkPA/v-deo.html
Although the initial thumbnail depicts a 7" prop, this flight was with the Azure 6145 BSP!
@WU LYU - with those xing 2806.5 motors, you should have the same effect. I would definitely suggest those Azure 6145 BSP props as they're the best I've found by far!
Although, make no mistake, you're going to get a much faster flight, not as agile, but faster all around, with a 7" prop, which I prefer, using the HQ 7X4X3 prop!
@@3eggerfpv397 what kv would u suggest
@@3eggerfpv397is 2500kv good
Ever since the TBS Discovery, I've loved the dead cat form factor
So, now that everyone has gone as small as they could, we are seeing the pendulum swing back to the big quads that were around 6 or 7 years ago? Why oh why can't I win the lottery to keep up with all youse guys!
How the hell can you drive like this?
It's unbelievable.
You passed right between two trees BACKWARD. And so many other things that require such a hugely 3d space feeling.
Awesome man..
Hours and hours in the air, with drones and on simulators. Sims are fantastic, for learning so you don’t crash your real drone as often, flying when you can’t fly inside or outside. Fly to keep your skills sharp, even when you don’t have a drone.
fr ive been grinding the sim 2+ hours a day for over a week cause my drone is on the bench rn and i cant fly irl lol
Too small motors, guys. Try some BrotherHobby 2806s there and you guys are going to see the difference.
Something around 1200kv for 6s and 1600~1700kv for 4s is the sweet spot. 😉
bigger motors coming soon
@@jrock7859 Awesome! 🖖😃
Any upside to going with the smaller motor? I ordered mine with the 2306 and after reading the comments I’m starting to regret it…
Joshua Bardwell is gone be so happy after seeing these drift shots 😜😂
Haha😂👏
JB drifts?
Flying 7 inch Since spring of last year as my goto rig. My tips
1When I break an arm I cut it down and use a jig to redrill it into a 5 inch arm and use it on the same model of drone that is my 5 inch racer.
2 Also I have all 1 ah( 1000mah) batteries and i have 3 in plugs on the 7 inch. And can choose 1 2 or 3 batteries in parallel. More nimble but less flight time Or max time but slow/ harder to flip.
Lol. Drew "it can still flip" then proceeds to pull a inverted yaw matty to trippy knife edge lmao. That was sick. Im finally able to have a 7" xl7 cant wait for that high speed flow
Haha! That was making me speechless as well! I am now almost a year into the hobby and ended up crashing my XL7 recently.. I am also not 100% sure what it was but I guess one of the propellers broke as I was trying it on twin bladed props for some longer range but turns out its not such a good idea.
ua-cam.com/video/SNfe-onjMU8/v-deo.html
he has the most relaxing voice i‘ve ever heard
Relaxxxxxx my brother 😁
Word
Lol idk I used to fall asleep to the angry video game nerd all the time. Pretty relaxing
If Drew gets any nastier with the flow, these videos will be rated X
I only freestyle 7” dead cat frames. New to fpv but I like the + 10min flights. Great video and thumbs up!
Heck yes! You guys just received my hd-1 today to get the X-r7 makeover! Can’t wait to get it back!
I think if you really want to free-style something with 7" props, you need bigger than 2306 motors. Get some T-Motor F80s (2408) or BrotherHobby 2507s or 2806.5s. Just my $.02.
Chase Porter Agree. Even the huge 2514 Racerstar AirB motors fly very well on 7“
2806.5 1300kv 6s is a very happy motor combo for 7in
The new 2808 1500KV on 6S is epic. Shameless 7" 3PV plug: ua-cam.com/video/tM2qppsOG94/v-deo.html
Bigger than 28...
@@Kabab Thanks Bob. I kind of skipped 6, 7, and 8" and went straight to 9/10" frames when I wanted to go big. I have a Stand-in-quaddesign/AlmondRacing AR10 with BH 2812 1150kv motors and a Mayday Quadworks Patriot with BH 3115 1250kv motors. I fly both with either HQ 9x5x3 or Aeronaut 10x7 biblades on 6s. I should also qualify that I built this as macro-size racers, not freestlyle quads. They are fun, but don't get nearly as much airtime as my 5" racers.
Yeah Drew cool flight👍
This is awesome! great job, i feel like you are pushing the bounds on innovation. thank you for showing me what is possible!
Great video guys , the car chase was awesome :-)
Awesome project, it os decided, thats gonna be my next Kwad🙌🔥🔥🔥
Great video. 7" kwads rock. I'm running inav on mine. It's so smooth and quiet but it can scream when I want it to . Happy flying. 🤓
I can fly 5in for around 4-5 minutes on a 1300mah 5s around that same speed. Looks like it would be a perfect rig for chase footage, getting the props out of view and getting around 7min flight!
soo cool! great work. Im flying since 1 week now IRL and my next drone will be a long range frame for sure :)
some of the music in this video brought me back to the old rr
I freestyle my Project399 practice rig almost exclusively now. Love that tank!
Dude that trick at 5:45 when you spun and went backwards thu the trees UNBELIEVABLE!
Search it.. It's called "moonwalk"
Drew I really liked the intro of yours!:D
That Thing Looks Beast !!!!😎💯👌
thats a cruiserrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!love it
Damn it! I'm ordering one. Don't tell the wife.
Yea 7inch cruise fast I've been flying a 7inch for over a year now and love it for filming and the flight time 👌
HI ROTOR RIOT!!
LOVE FROM INDIA!!!
And NZ!
Great video as usual! Terrable music.
I've been using 6" frames for my freestyle builds for years. I rarely fly anything bigger than a 5" prop, but having the option is nice, and I've always figured that having a slightly wider platform should be a bit more stable anyway.
The big deal here is that you're increasing the area of the prop without significantly increasing the weight of the quad. A 7" prop has double the surface area of a 5" prop. A 6" prop has nearly 50% more surface area. Your 7" isn't twice as heavy as a 5" freestyle build, and that's fantastic.
There's an cheap option for anyone who wants a taste of this. I've been able to squeeze 5.5" props onto several different 5" frames. The blades are only 0.25" longer, but the surface area is still 25% larger than a 5". The HQ 5.5x3.5x3 is a pretty good freestyle prop. You still get a lot of that 6" bite and some of the efficiency, but you don't give up all of that 5" feel.
Awesome video! Makes me feel a bit better owning only a 6er. No more being the outcast XD
So basically it's a dedicated long range setup but with some higher kv motors to keep the throttle down i guess. I doubt it's gonna handle constant full throttle punches well but that's not the point of a cruiser anyways so it should be a good cruising around rig.
My first ever 5 inch build had 2408 motors 4s 2200mah.
13 mins I used to get!
Yes I would suck the amps but with a throttle limit it was all round fantastic!
when your first learning to fly in the googles 3to 5 mins is a long time you need a rest for a few mins so i found changeing packs was ok also time to take in what youve done but now the longer the better great vid guys
Jeah for freestyle 5inch is perfect but if u use ur drone for proffesional work 7inch is the dream
Holding those lines through some tight spots, Drew.
I think 6" is the perfect sweet spot. Tmotor F60 Pro IV with Ethix K2 props is the nicest combo I"ve ever flown.
That guy has an amazing voice oO !
I've been flying 6 inch low Kv 4S a lot and have been loving it.
What size batteries?
@@ChrisParayno 2000 mAh.
that reverse matty into the tree crash - perfect
7" Club FTW!
Well, I hope it can... Let's find out. Thanks RR guys.
Nice!
love it
Nice of you to let Vortex out of the warehouse to come fly with you. 😂
Oh man, 2306 on a 7"? Sounds like it would be waaay too underpowered. I went from 2408.5 to 2810 to 2808.
You did it right
Great....!
Now I need a 7inch in my collection...
I've been freestyling a 7" build (Source One frame, T-Motor F80 2408 1900KV motors, HQ 7x4.5 biblades, running on 6S) since early this year. Don't think I could ever go back to 5". The sheer ease of clearing obstacles and the LOUD biblades are just too addictive :)
FWIW, they're not that difficult at all to tune, thanks to Bardwell and UAV Tech's tuning tips. The quad runs Betaflight 4.1.6 and I followed Bardwell's RPM filtering (including having both filter sliders all the way to 2x), set I term relax to 10, disabled D min, PID master slider at 1.3, PD gain and PD balance at 1.1, stick response gain at 0.9. My rates are around 700 deg/s with a bit of expo. Super fast and nimble even with a GoPro -- you could even fly it *almost* like a race quad if you want to, it hardly struggles on sudden changes in direction (eg. 180 deg turns), veeeery little if no propwash, and motors stay relatively cool after 2-3 minutes of tooling around :)
Oh boy, these flying skills are insane.
Orbiting inverted is just crazy.
Thats a trippy spin if u learn it in the sim its no that impressive anymore
When will you all do a country wide tour?
Of every state capitol with awesome freestyle footage. You can build it up to a year event! Meet pilots from all over the country and make GOOD CONNECTIONS!
He is such a good pilot
It Looks bad ass
The gaps that you hit tho 🔥🔥🔥🔥
My first big FPV platform is a 7" Tyro129. I'm running 4s 2200 Mah batteries through it with 1700kv motors and 7056 props. I can easily get 10+ minute flight times while chasing RC planes and messing around, landing with battery voltage at 3.5-3.7 V per cell while hovering.
Merry Christmas guys
Crud. Now I want one. 😂
Considering that this will likely be used for long range, including a GPS (with a 3D printed mount) at least as an option for the kit or the BNF/RTF would probably be useful. Sure, anyone who knows what they’re doing can add one, but still, as an option it would be nice.
i just like that ls400 luxury 4 door sedan drift beast
Sounds like you found the sweet spot on those props and batteries...
Hey i know that tree spot!
I love my 7" more than any of my other 3" to 5" drones. I have 2408.5 1300kv motors and 3300 6S batteries. I've had a 15 minute flight, but freestyle usually gets me 6 or 7 minutes.
I mean, I've got a flight where I started at ~3.8v/cell (had done another flight beforehand) and then got 13 mins out of it.
Open Source FR7 has got all my 7” needs, and we typically fly larger motors/batteries (2808 and 5500 5S)
Im running smaller motors 2306 1800kv bh with 5000 5s and easily get 17+ minutes on my Pirat 7”
@@dagazenterprise I really don’t care about flight time, unless paired with speed/distance. There’s people who pair small motors and big packs for max efficiency, and HS/RS has made this doable for some...
I’d fly a session 5 with no stabilization at 60-70mph and those small motors 2208/2306 just couldn’t hang to bring smooth footage. 2408.5 and larger were necessary for smooth session video.
@@giantfpv9862 good to know, it makes a lot more sense with the bigger motors. Ive had similar issues that you speak of but until recently didn’t relate it to the motor size. Time for an upgrade.
these bigger quads are definitely sweet, but they crash much harder. ive been ripping around with my 3in 6s armattan geckos for a while now, they are bulletproof.
To everyone saying it should have bigger motors, why? Honest question - what do you expect to achieve? Longer flight times, more power, both?
I think you get more control over the prop with a wider motor and these weird wabbles aren't as strong as on a smaller motor.
X-tra R-ipping 🤯
nice!
What about a build like this but with 6" props? Would that give an advantage in having more control over the quad?
7” Source One, 2507 1850KV BH Avengers, GS 35 ESCs, and a Heliosprong FC. 5000MAh pack gives me 15+ minutes cruising and can still throw on a 1300Mah and hit 110MPH and freestyle like a 5”. Been flying it for over a year. Where ya been RR? 7” is old news!
I'm curious what voltage you come down at for the 15 min cruise. I have a similar setup (4s with the 5000mah I assume?) for going up and down mountains, but I only get at most 9 min flights, which limits exploration. Everyone seems to be getting 10+ pretty easily even on less capacity, so I'm starting to wonder if I'm babying my batteries too much.
3hockeybros I’m running 6S 5000Mah. At 13-15 minutes depending on how hard I fly, I can land and the battery will level out right around 3.5V per cell. I also run 4S but I don’t have any large capacity 4S batteries.
@@ryanj2106 Hmmm okay, I should probably push my batteries harder. Usually mine are about 3.75 resting. Of course, I do like to play it safe when in irretrievable long range areas. But dang, a 5000 6s is a big heavy battery!
3hockeybros Yeah, it’s the heaviest I’ll run. The quad still flies good...I have to remember not to fly too crazy and risk chucking that big battery out of the straps mid flight. It flies a little smoother on 4S but isn’t nearly as ballsy! 6S earns its name Rage Monster!
Haven't watched the video, but I can tell you the answer. Yes, 7inch can rip hard. Even with 4s.
Nice quad guys 7"
I'm surprised more people don't fly Li-Ion.
That's because you need to know what you are doing. A 300 gr 3s2p only has 60 to 70 Amp discharge and full throttle will kill it even at half throttle
@@peterzingler6221 We are not all interested in racing. I'm barely ever at full throttle =)
@@wilgarcia1 If you are into freestyle then coming out of a dive can pull (at least in my case) up to 138amps
@Patryk Wojtkielewicz damn man I don't think I've even pulled that much when racing.
@@peterzingler6221 there is another side to that coin. Total watts needed to fly, drive down the amps required by pushing the voltage up.
My 6s2p Lithium Ion 7inch cruises at 15-18 amps and I have no problems doing casual freeroaming/cinematic kinds of freestyle. Hitting 23 minutes flying on 5600-6000mah 6s2p landing at 3v per cell. Having a 3s or 4s drone doesnt make any sense unless there is very good reason to handicap yourself to that voltage. Boost the voltage if possible and your amps will go down if you are careful with motor/prop selection.
Only with the small drones do you really wind up having to be stuck with like a 3s pack. But even my 3.5in on 3s can get some pretty good cruising/diving. I do all my crasy shit at the top half of the pack when voltage is at 3.8v or higher then settle down for the rest of the pack from 3.6 to 3v.
As for flying like a jack ass, my 10inch flys really damn well on 6s2p LithiumIon. 9 minutes flight time landing at 3.6v doing shit like big lazy matty flips(20-30deg uptilt). 3115 640kv Tornados are magic. May try 8s2p on it soon.
But yeah, people need to know their limits and get a scientific method developed for figuring out how to fly within the limits of a 18650.
My Xclass is running 6s4p and soon 8s4p.
Lol those motors are hilarious for 7in
I built a 7in over a year ago and haven't hardly touched my 5inchers since. I fly a lot of mountains so I get less flight time because of the climb up the mountain.
Heyyyyyy y’all are the best
Man I get a lot of wobbles with 7 inch on 2306. I always thought it was just that these motors are too small for the props but it seemed to do alright here. Maybe I need to recheck my tune?
Gave me an ideal kinda like car derby do drone derby last one standing like the fix wing tag kinda thing could even put a punching glove on the fronts and play derby
7 inch CAN freestyle. Just got back from ripping balls on my GEPRC Mk 4 with 7040 props. 6s 1880 kv motors oh yea, monster
2806.5 1300-1460 on 7inch is a MUCH better motor.
Quads are comming up bro!!! I have analog and dji i love the game. Its not about the system its about the flying. Now i have to figure out if i want a 7" or the geprc phantom. I just hope its my last quad. Rotor riot crew, and the old crew, Justin Davis, Andy RC, UAV Futures, Joshua B and many more are doing great just keep it going. If more people knew more would fly. Go to Comic-con and put on an air show or something. Put fpv dead center on the map
The GoPro is shifting exposure too much 🙄
Also waiting for SkyLinier XR.
Also waiting for RotorRiot to come with a drone with GPS.
skyeliner xr - very soon
gps - available as option now, going to add officially to site soon. reach out at support@rotorriot and we can set up a GPS for you
Well, Looks like I have to build a 7" F-the FAA!
What’s the fastest this drone can go ? With What motors and battery? I’m trying to keep up at drag races! Thanks!
Will you release a kit to make the hd1 into this 7inch version? Or do I need to buy a whole new frame?
is this frame good for a beginner? I love this style
Cool kwad - So do the big batteries cost twice as much?
Will there be switches already set-up for arm/acro/stable or will we need to program those ourselves?
PSA, please run larger motors if you intend on run 7" as the dedicates use case.
Sincerely - one of the people who will happily help you tune out the wobbles that show up because of small motors
Can you do a Tutorial hot to tune a Deadcat quad? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻♥️
hear that guys! only the cricket motor for this quad. Shame they never stop tryna get money out of things
Do you work for free at your job?
I believe he meant “This is (our) only motor...”
I built mine with the Cricket motors and it flew amazing.
@@LetsFlyRC 2306 is a joke for a 7inch build.
Peter Zingler to each his own, I guess. Drew didn’t seem to struggle too hard in his freestyle flying on the Cricket motors. Pulled off every trick he does with a 5”, with ease and with style.
Technically, they are 2306.6. That extra .6 must make all the difference. Plus, THEY’RE GOLD. 🤯
@@LetsFlyRC Good for u. I dont work im 14
Wait FPV When you get older, hopefully you will understand that we can’t create the content we create without some funding to back us up. Money makes the world go ‘round. Yes, we have a store. Support us if you like our videos, instead of writing negative comments. Thanks. RotorRiot.com.
Somehow I once managed to fly for ~12-13 Minutes on a 4S 1500mAh CNHL Black Series. It was not dead afterwards. Admittedly it was just some mild cruising and no flips or tricks. Just some parcours around bushes and trees. I have no clue as to how it lasted this long.
ive been flying 7 inch freestyle since i started, in the fpv hobby flys as good as a 5 inch in my honest opinion :) im flying a 5 inch now and then too but i like my bigger one hehehehe
And if you feel like sending a proto type that would be cool as well lol
I think I could strap a car battery to my 7 inch and it would still fly. Lots of lift. I use 6S 1500 and 1800mAh batteries. Long flight times. I would say a 7inch seems to float more than a 5 inch. You flip it inverted and it seems to sort of hang there forever . It is nice to have one for when I am in my 7 inch mood. LOL
I’m a beginner flyer I have a 5 inch with 2507 1800 kv (overkill I know) and I’m reaching almost 10 minute flight times. That’s with occasional flips. I know have 2207 on that drone and get even longer flight times I’m currently building a 7” that will run 2807 1700 kv motors on 6s with parallel 1800 mah packs (3600 mah total) can’t wait to see what flight time I get on that.
What is a good discharge rating for a 7 inch? My 5 inch batteries are 100c - 120c. Larger batteries like 3200 and 400mah are listed as 60c. Is 60c enough for chasing and minor freestyle? I'm flying a Mr. Croc frame with Emax 2807 motors at 1500kv. DJI video, Racerstar 45a F7 stack with 915mhz ELRS. Flies great with 1550mah 4s and 7" or 6" props.
@Rotor Riot Hey guys I’m getting mine in the mail tomorrow, I’m super stoked but I went with the 2306 instead of the 2806.5. I noticed a lot of comments (after ordering) that the bigger motor is better for freestyling… can you make me feel better about having gone with the 2306? Any upsides?
Can you do building drops maneuvers with a 7inch? Or is it to heavy?
I built my first 5" Xilo JB edition and I fly over 7 minutes on 1500 4s and land with over 3.7v/cell. Have recordings from my googles. Granted, I don't mount Go pro and am only learning to fly, so just cruising, shooting gaps and doing some rolls, but anyway I land because I want to rest, not because the battery is empty.
The gopro will affect the flight time a lot.
Looking for running on 6s 5000 mah.. with 45c or more turnigy battery.
Wath motor seize and frame is adapted to that? Da goal is to have Same battery for every rc I will own. Rc boat. Rc car 3s or 6s 5000 drone as 6s 5amph
motor is way too small! Go bigger
Yup, absolutely