Do you know hashirama sage mode is the perfect version of the same sage mode that jugo has, and that sage mode is connected to the chakra tree and and i think hagoromo train hashirama this sage mode and I think hashirama train jugo clan because of they can produce senjustu chakra and hashirama did that to prevent another marada and I think hagoromo only train hashirama to strong else to train next generation's to be strong else for fight again kaguya if kaguya ever comeback from her imprison of being seal away
I guess that makes sense. Naruto Shippuden's tactics basically boiled down to shock and awe using overwhelming samurai/power ranger-Esq techniques of having the more powerful jutsu/spell or piloting a chakra Megazord. Boruto Blue Vortex's techniques are more nuanced with teleporting, dimension-creation, mind-wiping, jutsu-canceling, energy absorption and (of course) the constant game of "who is a cyborg, clone, alien, and/or tree-person?".
@@MysteryGuradian No amount of trying will make Tauros, for example, (who was top tier in gen1) do well in today's competitive, mostly due to power creep.
@@lytethekyte while that is true there are Always the lower Tiers where Mons Like tauros have niches and can Put in some Work yes there are Mons that are Just Bad that dont do anything but even they have a nich in some way and in their respective Tiers
@@Codyslxthey r changing up the game from taijutsu a little with the addition of the Shinji who cant absorb jutsu and they themselves utilize jutsu and chakra natures unlike the otsutsuki. Now we will be seeing ninjutsu battles as well which is cool
@@Codyslx Compare taijutsu in Naruto and Boruto and tell me which one is better? In addition to that it makes no sense with characters who are showing both skill and power of chunin at best. Naruto 16 y.o. would no diff Delta by feats without using nukes. Jigen would be wasted by either Sasuke or Naruto. Naruto's SM is somehow trash these days yet Mitsuki can hang out with Ootsutski level characters(they are technically by there but not by feats). Ishiki showed nothing feat wise to put him above any Kage in Naruto yet he is completely dominating both Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto uses some Fox suicidal mode that showed feats below 1 tail Naruto yet we somehow need to believe it's even stronger than Six Paths Sage Mode? Boruto makes no sense power wise. Taijutsu is beyond simple and not creative at all. In addition to this they don't use jutsu(no hand signs), they have unlimited energy with no context(in Naruto there was always some recharge moment). Simple strikes and kicks with powers activated on a whim with no cost or special conditions = worse than most Naruto fights. The only thing where Boruto excels at are belts. They're everywhere along with costumes that make no sense for shinobi to wear.
They varied off from bloodline limits and specialities imo. They flashed it at first then never really dove into the possibilities multiple elemental affinities could do
I think there’s a difference between power creep and character power progression. Power to creep, in my experience and understanding from video games, is associated more to when the strength and abilities of characters scale out of control to where it violates the power system unreasonably or introduces a less reasonable, usually more highly scaled, power system with the previous more reasonable system. I think Boruto definitely has this.
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl yes but actually around Juubito was where it began to get bad. With Juubidara and EOS Naruto and EOS Sasuke it becomes ludicrous. Kaguya isn't that bad actually mainly because of how poorly she handles her power, but her fight IQ tones her power down a bit at least. Imho Edo Madara should've lost to the 5 Kage and Juubito should've been the series's power ceiling. He was insanely strong and it needed KSM Naruto and a Jugo-buffed EMS Sasuke to content with him but in the end when he was vulnerable literally EVERYONE helped ripping the tailed beasts out of him. That was insanely strong but "reasonable" for lack of a better term and required no bullshit external amp but "only" literally a combination of all powers Naruto and Sasuke ever had
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl I'd say it became pretty prevalent as soon as Pain one tapped Konoha lol, then proceeded to beat Naruto until Hinata interrupted.
To be honest if Naruto and Sasuke were the Protagonists of Boruto like how Goku and Vegeta are the Protagonists of Dragon Ball Super i think a lot more people would like Boruto.
To be clear, power creep in Shippuden is 100% an issue. The war arc really struggled to contain the power levels, and kept having to give people random upgrades so the cool characters could continue to contribute. A great example is Minato having sage mode because they discovered that only sage attacks could work on 10 tails jinchuriki. He caveat's it by suggesting that he isn't very good at sage mode, before instantly entering sage mode and showing that he is in fact a perfect sage. It was bad enough that he was a perfect jinchuriki with the other half of Kurama, so they could do that asspull of teleporting the entire shinobi alliance because Naruto had shared Kurama's chakra with them. It was just all over the place. Kishimoto made Madara too strong so he just made everyone else broken too. It wasn't very exciting for me. Boruto is even worse, but I cba to get into all of that.
With Minato it's weird because he has sage mode but like doesn't use it in any meaningful capacity. As for him saying he isn't good at using sage mode, IIRC he does say that he can't maintain it for long
Yeah I feel like this post used the massive power creep in the War Arc to justify the power creep in Boruto, when we didn't like it then either. Everything after the Pein arc just got completely out of hand. Naruto went from genin level (without kyuubi cloak) to maaaybe a lower Jonin level across his timeskip whereas Boruto cleared Jonin, Kage, 6 paths and hit the pinnacle of what we've seen in the series in the same amount of time. The two power boosts aren't even comparable.
@@GameCyborgCh The justification for Minato not being good at sage mode always read like a continuity issue to me. No one can maintain sage mode while moving around. The point of summoning Fukusaku and Shima is that they gather the sage energy for you while you move. It's as if Kishimoto just forgot about the mechanics of sage mode when he wrote that. If he was an imperfect sage, then it would at least look consistent.
@@young_raymond47 Fukusaku and Shima were summoned to help gather and natural energy while in a fight and help stabilize it cause the person can't just stop in a middle of a life and death fight to enter sage mode safely, maintaining sage made for a prolong time is another issue on its own, but maintaining it in fight or while in motion was never a problem i remember being stated. Also the problem seems to be for a imperfect sage. cause Naruto as a perfect stage didn't have the same problems Jiraiya had.
@@CrisisPhoenix Naruto did have the same problems. Fukusaku attempted to teach him how to bind, it just didn't work because of Kurama. He came up with an alternative solution for replenishing his nature energy. My point is that as long as Minato can enter sage mode, they should hypothetically be able to maintain it indefinitely by binding with Ma and Pa. I don't understand why Minato feels that not being able to stay in the form is a signifier of his incompetence. Once you run out of nature energy, you lose the sage transformation. That's the same for everyone.
I honestly think the tailed beasts acting as basically superweapons with a handful of ninja able to keep up with them and the boss summons would have been a great time to implement a power ceiling. Honestly I think after Pain they should have just gone with mostly side grades as threats.
I think the biggest issue of power creep is the idea that they maintained Naruto and Sasuke in the story, power scaled them to Otsuski's, and still wanted to make it out that Boruto is somehow going to go even further beyond. Come the Time Skip and... He has (and hasn't) without justifying it proper. Of course he has the Karma seal, something that just got slapped into Boruto to justify the power creep out of nowhere, he's had 3 years to train, to get beyond Sasuke and Naruto, and now we are seeing everyone forcibly having to get to the same, or relative power level in order to have anyone be of any help. It is trying to tell us that everyone is approaching, or beyond, the strongest in the verse despite the fact the strongest of the past were still alive during this time and only aren't the strongest because they had to be hard nerfed or, quite literally, had their power taken away to have any stakes. Power creep will always exist, but power creep the disrespects, or undoes, what was already established just feels, and is, flat out distasteful.
Boruto did more for karma than Naruto did for Kurama, Boruto is a full Otsutsuki so it makes sense that he surpasses them. Everyone else aren't gonna ever reach that level which is why they have to jump their respective Shinju
@PrimalIncentive Naruto being handed Kurama from the get go has always been a bit of an issue when it came to Naruto being seen as an underdog, despite the fact he realistically had everything going for him (Insane Chakra pool as an Uzumaki, son of Minato, and being a Jinchuriki of the "good" half of the strongest tailed beast) but the claim Boruto is "full Otsutsuki" is complete fan based theory. Of course this could be proven as though but it isn't. Simply stating that Boruto is something out of pure speculation, albeit well informed, is still just speculation. Let alone, even if you wanna say he is a full Otsutsuski he DID NOT do anything to earn his Karma Seal. He was entirely given the victory/kill to earn himself the seal as a "This is Boruto's story" moment when, realistically, Naruto or Sasuke could have claimed it would it not have been for that idiot that refueled their biggest threat. Boruto did not do anything on par with Naruto to achieve the same power and yet he is going to surpass him nonetheless. He isn't even gonna lose his sensei cause it's Sasuke, who has not only been confirmed to still be alive but they sure as shit ain't gonna kill him even by the end when Boruto is suddenly Universe level on par with Shibai
@@loser108108 Boruto being a full Otsutsuki was literally stated in the manga tho💀 he's a full Otsutsuki and he only became it after sacrificing himself for those he loves. He did earn the karma tho💀 he saved the 5 kage with his vanishing rasengan, used his skill and Momoshiki's lack of knowledge on ninjutsu to stab his rinnegan which stopped him from absorbing then he landed the finishing blow. Naruto did a lot more than Naruto💀 enough to to DESERVE THIS POWER. Naruto didn't work for most of his power ups(which he got in the span of a 2 day war)while Boruto trained for 2 days, he didn't lose Sasuke but he DIED, got his arm broken, got his back broken, lost an eye and lost his life in the village. He's the same as Naruto except he isn't forcing the underdog thing
@PrimalIncentive I will admit I don't read the manga like a bible, one google search showing that they did in fact state Boruto is full alien now, but it in fact only proves further it was entirely unearned. Boruto sacrificing himself was a noble dead, yes, but it's not like he did it so that he would be revived as full Otsutsuki. So you talking about him earning it is completely negated by the fact this was done outside of his will and, just like Naruto, handed to him despite his inability to choose. Trying to say he earned the karma is also not at all acceptable when it was Naruto who gave him the chakra and power needed for the massive rasengan, Sasuke helped in duping and getting Boruto as close as he did, and the final blow was still just handed to Boruto just cause Naruto was out of commission while being a pin cushion. And the claim that Naruto got his power ups without earning them is completely false. From the get go he is handed everything, yes, but Naruto still put in the effort to train as strong as he is. He learned the Rasengan despite being ill suited to the method needed to do so. He had to face Kurama and win to earn his first stage cloak. He befriend Kurama, and the rest of the tailed beasts, to earn his second stage cloak. And during the empty years he trained even more to get as strong as he is in Boruto. The single power up he got handed, after being born strong, was the same power up Sasuke got, and both lose, during the war from Haguromo to seal away Kaguya and prove he loves Sasuke as more than a friend (Bowchickabowow) So before trying to act like you're the biggest brain of the comment section, why not use that alleged brain power to think before you type. I'll admit when I'm wrong without being a snarky zoomer
@@loser108108 Him not doing it with the intention to become full Otsutsuki doesn't take anything away tho? Did Naruto go into the war expecting six paths chakra? No, did he train for it? No. He forced Momoshiki to do it by sacrificing himself, he EARNED IT even if he didn't intentionally do it. So because he had help and got assistance he didn't earn it? You know I admit that I sometimes act like I'm above everyone else but at least I'm not a hypocrite🤦🏿 you said this then went ahead and said Naruto earned Kurama like he didn't have help from his mom JUST LIKE BORUTO, like he didn't have someone giving him the opportunity to do it JUST LIKE BORUTO, the bias is showing. You're going to say he trained for rasengan like every rasengan user didn't have to do that INCLUDING BORUTO🤦🏿 said he earned the first kurama cloak despite the fact that he had HELP FROK 2 PEOPLE JUST LIKE BORUTO. Boruto trained to control and activate v1 karma so he earned it, he sacrificed himself and became full Otsutsuki so he earned that as well. Only a Naruto fan could be so much of an hypocrite that he counts befriending monsters as earning but beating one with help isn't🤦🏿if we use CONSISTENT logic then he got handed every power up except for sage mode. He got handed kcm2, got handed six paths sage mode which he kept up until the Isshiki fight, got handed tailed beast chakra etc.... Before trying to debate put away your bias and be consistent, you can't say one character didn't earn something because he got help then say the other one earned it even though he had help too.
The difference in power from Jigen and Ishiki is not a small amount. So when they say code without limitations is stronger than Jigen. They mean Jigen.
@@TheLastSane1 Isshiki no diffed naruto and sasuke in less than 2 minutes pre baryon in a dead vessel. Jigen took a whole episode and still failed. It's way more than a 5x power gap.
@@TheLastSane1Isshiki low diffed Naruto and Sasuke while Jigen needed chakra from the 10 tails before he confronted Naruto, had to use his curse mark to fight both, and then had to recover afterwards. Isshiki is WAY stronger than Jigen.
The issue is power Creep tied with Worf aspects. Boruto has to turbo charge ahead of where Naruto and Sasuke were to be relevant to these new and worse threats when they did not nearly have the time, respect or WORK put into threats like Orochimaru or Maddara. Naruto and Sasuke are not treated as the Big Goods in scenarios and they keep on writing them to be off the stage so Boruto can do things.
God i know this isnt gonna happen but it would be really really cool if Boruto and the rest of the ninja were just always weaker than the aliens and had to use ninja training and tricks and intelligence to beat them. Showing that being smart and tactical would be alot better than just being able to shoot bombs at them.
@@leonxdz There needs to be a balance between wit and skillz. Anime like DBZ and one punch and many others are built around pure power fights and not much wit and actual thought just a huge specatcle. From day one Naruto was always a mixture of power and tactics which is a much more rewarding formula.
That is stupid because if shikamaru could beat a God by outsmarting them it would make the God seem week and not intelligent people still clown of hidan and call him the weakest akatsuki and people ignore when strategie was being used in the war arc Strategy doesn't matter this is basic rule in martial arts and fighting if you have no power compreble to the person allowing you to edge out the victory that's why an average Mma fighter beats a world class heavy weight women Mma fighter
@@rwells3325 true but since the middle of war arc they started to side more with the power side but still occasionally relied on strategies wether it succeeds or fails it was still intresting to watch like the 5 kages combination attack to bypass madara's rinnegan or Minato's plan to help guy against juubidara, shikaku Nara allied forces plan to stop ten tails or even Kakashi's plan against kaguya. even with op characters they Always used 'some' level of strategies even if sometimes it failed. but boruto took it to the next level the villains became way too op that Even the smartest characters like shikamaru became completely useless the strategy part was straight out neglected and only power matters
Honestly the problem with Boruto isn’t necessarily power creep but the undermining of OG characters we love. Introducing hax villains and making the og said characters look like they lack any iq. Like why is Naruto’s six paths sage mode abilities never used after the war and why does Sasuke never use any other paths of the rinnegan. Boruto also is given every hax ability in TBV, while Naruto literally wasn’t at sasuke’s level until the Pain arc and showed real development and progression. There is no actual funny/comedic, deep or emotional moments in boruto besides kurama’s death or involving og characters. Also no one likes a character given everything bc the writers love this kid so much, boruto needs to balance both the newer era of characters and also pay homage to the original character we saw develop for 700 episodes . Who cares if it’s a stand alone series, we only care about boruto because of Naruto.
It’s the same way with DBS, when they hit godly levels of power, but the blasts and movements remain the same. It’s just certain people saying how they’ve improved or how much stronger they are that we can put it on a scale. Realistically, the Broly movie alone should’ve easily wiped out the planet, and possibly the Galaxy. But we ignore it because the anime’s are fun.
Just want to point out that Kinshiki isn't as hopeless as this video makes it seem. Don't forget that Kinshiki was keeping up with Sasuke's lightning cloak and during the chunin exams, Shikamaru actually had to save Sasuke with shadow possession.
I think the problem with Boruto's power creep isn't just the fact that it exists tbh. It's the fact that, in order to satisfy it, older characters were nerfed beyond belief to the point that the 12 year old kids were securing the front lines against the supernatural aliens at a certain point. Although it seems like such a light touch, I think genuinely the power creep of Boruto would've been significantly easier to receive if Momoshiki visited the planet when Boruto and the gang were already 17-18 with jonin-kage+ level power within reasonable expectation instead of literal genin children.
I think my only issue in terms of Power Creep in Boruto is that I feel they went after opponents who could be comparable with an Akatsuki level threat too early on. When they were faced with the evil organization Kara, I felt like they should've dealt more with actual genin and chunin level threats before so quickly jumping to inner circle people. This way people in Naruto and Sasuke's weight class could be focusing on learning about the inner circle and having some stalemate fights with them, while Boruto and his compatriots dealt with the outer circle threats for a while. Eventually leading to Boruto having built up enough experience to start dealing with inner level stuff. I don't mind the ridiculous levels of power because it was already established it was going to go there, I just wish it didn't go there at, what to me felt like, a breakneck speed.
I fundamentally disagree with the idea that you can't hit a reset button without keeping the characters current power levels. They live in a ninja village; characters will constantly be on missions, and the children have to fill in the gaps like they did in Naruto. I also hate the idea of power scaling and lines of logic like "X beat Y, so Y can't beat Z". I think people fail to consider how a characters toolkit interacts with another characters, in relation to their power feats.
I think the power creep is a normal thing for battle manga but it made more sense in part one naruto and most of shippuden because it’s was following naruto growing stronger while we had stronger people already existing for him to strive towards realistically over time with only madara and kaguya being the only absurd nonsense pushing the bar above and beyond causing things to spiral at an accelerated rate
When Naruto came back from his timeskip he wasn’t so above everyone else in the verse power scale wise so there was room to grow for him as well as other characters Boruto is so above everyone else already it feels like he’s reached endgame. Even if there are other challenging opponents for him, he’s so above everyone else that it leaves little room for the supporting cast a chance to shine
Yeah but naruto wasnt constantly beign hunted down by literally everyone if he was he would've done the whole gaining contreole of kurama thing during the timeskip if be did that he would pretty much stomp everyone other than madara obito amd that level charecters
I don't think Power Creep on its own is a problem. It's kinda necessary. I think the problem with Boruto is that the Power Creep is not centered around Boruto and instead is done around Naruto. I think the Power Creep should have been reset for Boruto. We can still have threats that require Naruto and Sasuke to be involved, but it shouldn't have been the main focus. Now that Naruto and Sasuke are out of the picture and there are threats on their power level, Boruto is going to have to be at that power level. That fast of progression doesn't feel good.
But the question is if all the antagonists are gods that can only be handled by 2 characters then what's the point of the side characters, what do they do and why do they exist? I feel like bleach handled the power creep well with all the shinigami playing a role in the last arc and being powerful enough to be useful. But now for example in boruto we have shikamaru as a hokage... wtf can shikamaru do ? Kakashi, Tsunade, rock Lee , gaara and all the new gen kids who were introduced in both anime and manga... what's the point? Even in Naruto's finale we had guy, Kakashi, Sakura, Tsunade, Gaara all being somewhat useful in their own way
Also, what people think someone is doesn't make it so. They assumed that code would be a bad ass becuase of his potential power. Potential and actual are rarely the same.
I think the problem is that we see naruto learning from the beginning like in the land of waves walking up trees exercise and as far as the manga not sure about the anime we never actually see boruto learning anything that's particularly hard for him like him with the rasengan he just picked it up were we see narto struggle for it so we saw narto leave to the time skip knowing he will be struggling but will come back strong where as in boruto just left never really having to struggle to learn anything and just came back o.p. so I feel people are finding it less engaging because they feel there not as involved with his growth as they were with naruto
It happened in Avatar the last air bender and Korra, some of the Avatar stuff can be explained with some spiritual lore but the blood bending and even more so the lightning bending was way too easy for everybody...
Think of it like this. You think FIRELORD ZUKO would GATEKEEP lightning bending just because it was a “royal technique”??? HELL NO. He taught his fellow people. Just like toph taking something niche like metal bending and having a whole school for earth benders everywhere. The opposite was done for blood bending, because, at its core, its disturbing. Look at unolaq. And as for air bending and lava bending, flying is still very hard to achieve, and lava is still somewhat rare, with only about 7 people showing their prowess in it (most being avatars with the exception of tophs student and bolin)
But my thing is dont you think spreading the secrets of these texhniques to more people actually balances the playing field and does the opposite by getting rid of ann chance of a power cliff
@@xenothekami888 Lightning bending was not just a royal technique but a master level technique. The usage should go up as the information becomes more readily available but having every random dude at the power plant able to do it is a stretch. Zuko couldnt even do it.
@@OMGSAMCOPSEY Zuko couldn't do it in ATLA due to his inner turmoil. I'm fairly certain that he would eventually be able to do so after all of the comics and he became more comfortable and confident as the Fire Lord. It probably became a lot more common when people found out you could use lightning bending to add to the power grid. It was still rare enough though that it was used for a gangster name (lightning bolt zolt).
@@OMGSAMCOPSEY you summed up my thoughts pretty good, having more people knowing how to do it isn't the issue but it's just the mondane feel to it. Metal bending is way more easier because it's not a life and death thing
My problem with Boruto is the fluctuation of power. What I mean by this is that one character would be stronger than another but then suddenly be weaker than that character. A good example is Sasuke. It is established that Rinnegan Sasuke with the help of Naruto couldn't beat jigen in part one. That means that Rinnegan Sasuke shouldn't even stand a chance against limitless code from part one. However, in the time skip two years later no rinnegan Sasuke is able to slash Codes eyes out and even keep up with code. The only reason Sasuke lost that fight is because he was looking after Boruto. Now I don't know how accurate Borutos words ate but still, a no rinnegan Sasuke was able to leave a mark on a limitless code. There are many examples like this. Naruto vs Delta, the kids vs Boro
The code power creep is wild. Hey just through out a phrase and made him above jigen....then gets curve stomped. Then theres every one else. How can any non charma character even compete
I genuinely don’t get the hate for boruto the anime isn’t as bad as everyone said and the manga is better than most people just want Naruto to be like goku and steal the protagonist spot from boruto which is ridiculous Naruto’s character has been fleshed out in full his story ended when he got Sasuke back to the village imo
The anime during its slice of life arcs was fine. It's the manga that it's the issue. It changed names, had a time skip, sent the protagonist into the wilderness, and put the previous protagonists out of commission and we still don't have a single compelling concept, plot line, scheme, or villain. Any other manga would've been canceled years ago, like during the Ao arc, but this is Shueisha's baby so I guess we have to put up with it.
Mfs these days love to nit pick over a story that's in it's beginnings. If they just shut their mouthes and let Kishimoto cook and build up the story, most of the problems they have would be resolved
Ishiki/jigen not surfacing until now is pretty simple. Ishiki has been looking for a vessel because jigen was incompatible. Prior to Amado there was no way for him to place a karma (because he was too weak). He needed to find a 10 tails He didn't intervene in the 4GNW because he would risk losing his only body. If he moved in on that battle Kaguya could've bodied him. Fast forward 16 years;he has a perfect vessel nearly fully extracted, and a ten tails to siphon for power, and his next body goes missing, it's the only reason he would risk dying. The real question is where did the 10 tails come from? How did he get it? What are the chances the second ten tails is shibi's?
What if because Naruto shared his and kuramas chakra with everyone during the war arc, their bodies adapted to having large amounts of chakra and increased their chakra reserve space, inadvertently increasing everyone’s overall power passively
Power Creep is like Inflation in Economics. If you gain too much of it too quickly; your story will lose value on the basis that there's no scale to it and no one knows what is what. If you have none of it though, then you basically have nothing; there will be no further progress nor wins or losess. But you will always have it, and you will always need it; so it must be applied to the Goldilocks rule.
Want some crazy writing?... The power creep continues.. Boruto keeps getting stronger, Sasuke gets 3 rinne sharingans, Naruto becomes the 10 tails jinchuriki and sage of 6 paths, etc... most of the characters become planetary threats.. at their weakest. Thats when Shibai steps in... only no one can touch him, and they lose. No huge crazy fight, no 12 episode battle.. All this time, work, and build up leads to a single moment where he waves his hand, and like a well placed EMP, knocks everyone back to the stone age. No one remembers how to use jutsu, none of the tech remains.. Now they have to start from scratch and figure out how chakra works just like the days after Hamura and Hagoromo. In about a 10 minute scene, power scaling fixed.
Except it was earned power creep and not unrivaled in the lore. Boruto is at a level above every shinobi except Naruto BM without any feats or amps shown why?? 😂😂 What did he do to gain his power/skill. “Well you see, Boruto has a magic eye, that can do everything it needs to do”
@@natenae8635 the eye's not even manga canon yet 💀. Also we're only 8 chapters into the new manga we'll probably get more flashbacks about Boruto's training, just let Kishimoto cook
@natenae8635 Boruto is 100% outsutsuki + 3 years of actual training. He's akin to sasuke at the start of shippuden. Kawaki is basically naruto, weak coming straight out of timeskip.
The tell-don’t-show route of Boruto is what kind of ruins Boruto for me and also the “power scalers” ruin the community for me Edit: It all starts with Amado talking about Code, not Jigen/Isshiki … they showed us HOW and WHY Jigen beat Naruto and Sasuke (Jigen absorbed 10 tails Chakra and has abilities that Naruto and Sasuke can’t deal with) and Isshiki bodies them because he’s not held back by Jigens body. But NOTHING Code has done makes me believe that he could beat Jigen, Naruto, or Sasuke beside Amado just saying it’s true
Because code was unlucky to be fighting against the strongest people in the verse in daemon and boruto 😂😂so he is bound to look weak it is the same as jogo vs gojo or sukuna
@@DominicAduGyamfi-pz5qi thats the problem though, that’s why i said Amado saying that Code was strong than Jigen was the START of the problem with the story FOR ME (if you’re fine with it that’s fine). It takes me out of the story because we just saw these fights with Jigen and Isshiki and I think “wow these guys are monsters” and then we see Code get stomped twice with NO feats and then we’re supposed to believe that Daemon and Boruto are stronger than Jigen (which they are, but I just have to accept what the story tells me), I just wish we saw Code do something that made me believe he was stronger than Jigen, just like Jigen/Isshiki did by stomping Naruto and Sasuke
@@DominicAduGyamfi-pz5qi also Rinnegan-less Sasuke took out Codes eye while protecting Boruto and also fighting Claw Grimes .. I can’t imagine Sasuke doing that to Jigen just because Sasuke and Naruto barely did anything to Jigen
@@NewtBannnercode wasn't serious nor was he using karma once he got serious he took Sasuke out as the grime have no chance of beating Sasuke unless code actually beat him and injured him badly for the grimes to then bite him.
Screenwriter here. I've never worked on animation but obviously I'm a fan of anime, but I do work on tv dramas and the samething happens there- only there isn't really a term for it. You see it most often in long format shows that don't have a central plot so you're tasked with constantly upping the anty in order to engage audiences. Think of shows like Pretty Little Liars and Riverdale or a soap opera where the things that are happening don't really make sense but they do out do what happened in the last mid season finale, so it's exciting right! Right? It's really all in how you handle the story, because it can work. A great show that does it well is Scandal. The characters, particularly the main character, does become more powerful (politically etc) throughout the series but it feels natural because it resonates with who she is as a person, what she's working towards, and the story surrounding her. The show never had a central plot to set a power ceiling with, like say Avatar did with the Firelord being the established big bad from day 1 so we knew where the "peak" would be, but the writers were in control of the "power creeping" and it wasn't just being driven by the network ordering more seasons or your budget doubling between this season and the last. With Boruto I would say they did a kinda poor job of handling the power creeping in the beginning but Kishimoto has done a good job of trying to redirect since he's taken over the reigns again. Especially with TBV, we've seen that Kishimoto is setting up ways for multiple characters to keep pace (even tho yes they will be weaker) with Boruto and the power ceiling currently in TBV, which will help things feel more organic. He's also tying their power ups into relevant details of their life that we already know instead of random information we just found out about which helps their power ups feel more intentional. Now the Shinju are kind of a grey area right now, but I think again he's doing a good job of telling their story instead of just showing their power, so it feels less like power creeping and more like the natural progression of a story. Boruto's new rasengan is also a bit of a question mark but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since we haven't gotten a reference to or explanation about it since it debuted. Same with him knowing flying raijin- if you tell a good story around it, fans will enjoy it. Really power creeping is inevitable, so it all boils down to how you handle it. In the best cases like in Avatar it's clearly planned for and folds naturally into the story without being a distraction. Worst case you end up with two separate unexplained evil bunker torture chamber model houses built by two different mean girls in a hoodie just because it would shock the audience.
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I feel like too many anime fans look at strength and fighting prowess as a linear number that just goes straight up and makes you perfect, when it's a wheel of traits that all need to be trained respectively. Someone who is strong against one type of opponent isn't going to be that same kind of strong against every opponent. Boruto is taking the time to remind everyone that these characters are extremely capable and adaptable and will grow in whatever direction is necessary to overcome a diverse set of obstacles, instead of always just pulling out the next bigger shinier gun.
Exactly. People always bring up code being stronger than jigen but willfully ignore that jigen has eons of experience on him. Naruto and Sasuke could probably beat code. Code would not of survive that neck chop from sasuke in the jigen fight.
People need to be reminded time and time again that Naruto isn't Dragon Ball. Having a bigger number (within reason) doesn't automatically make you stronger than someone else.
The writers need to think bigger in terms of plot & imagination. I personally would’ve liked to have seen an aged jaraiya looking Naruto and Sasuke to start the series off.
I think the worst part of power creep isn't inherently that characters get stronger, it's that only about 4 or 5 of them get stronger. There were about a million characters in Naruto that were beloved, and a lot of them got stronger, but none of them have magic eyes so now they don't matter. Tenten has weapons from the actual sage of six paths, does she get to use them? no, those're just shop decorations now. All of the kage are supposed to be stupid strong, and they actually are, I'd comfortably say most of them are near the peak of what a normal ninja is capable of(not you Chojuro), but they're contending with actual demigods and gods. You might as well have never even met most of Boruto's class for all the use they get in the story. Oh yeah, shikishiki is coming to run Konoha's fade, better get Chocho to get fatter at him. It's why I think Kishimoto's biggest problem is how reductive he is when he used to be so good at world building. only 5 people actually matter. the only actually evil people are Danzo and the Otsutsuki. And now all ninjutsu, you know, the stuff every ninja clan has been working on for centuries now to make their own unique and powerful? that's all just a watered down version of something only Otsutsuki can do
I guess what isn't ever discussed is that just because you win a fight doesn't mean you're more powerful. There's luck and better battle IQ that can win out.
I guess that makes sense. Naruto Shippuden's tactics basically boiled down to shock and awe using overwhelming samurai/power ranger-Esq techniques of having the more powerful jutsu/spell or piloting a chakra Megazord. Boruto Blue Vortex's techniques are more nuanced with teleporting, dimension-creation, mind-wiping, jutsu-canceling, energy absorption and (of course) the constant game of "who is a cyborg, clone, alien, and/or tree-person?".
I disagree that a spin-offspring needs to start at a comparable power level to the original. If the sequel immediately introduces stakes that are as high or higher than the original, it cheapens the stakes of the original. This is my main gripe with power creep in general, that and unearned power ups for both good and bad guys(Madara being able to do things like use Kamui while the ten-tails jinchuriki, Minato being a perfect sage And a perfect jinchuriki etc). Take Naruto and Boruto(the shows, not the characters). At the end of Naruto, Madara and Kaguya were defeated and the world was saved. Boruto doesn't have to start with another world ending threat of the same level as Madara and Kaguya, that should be much later on and should be built up to in the background while a new story is told. After all, now the leaders of the shinobi nations know that others like Kaguya are out there and might be coming, so they need to prepare. What will that look like, and what will the shinobi system/world look like now that the nations have come together to take down such a large threat? By exploring that, while building up to the coming threat, you could tell a new story through the new generation that doesn't invalidate/cheapen the previous story. And you could work in the whole "why don't the older generation just save the new when they are in danger" by having the older generation wanting to do that, but having to stop themselves because the new generation needs to grow stronger and you don't grow stronger while coddled by your parents. Power Growth is fine. Building up the stakes and powers over time is fine, but power creep like it is done in Dragonball, Naruto and Boruto leads to such massive power jumps for both the bad guys and the good guys. I rarely see people complain about Naruto being a perfect sage, because we saw him work for it, but I do see people complain about Minato being a perfect sage. Because we had never heard about him even training as a sage before that and it felt unearned. Unearned power ups are a symptom of power creep, imo.
This has been my biggest critique since like the beggining of Boruto, just handing out power like everyone needs an excuse to be at end of anime naruto power level for some reason
i think with things like naruto learning the rasengan really quickly the theme of ninjutsu vs technology is also in big play here. Relatively everyone like kid himiwari being really good at using the byakugan at a young age, i think people are also just able to learn and apply things alot faster. before the timeskip it didnt take much at all for boruto to learn multiple new rasengans like the compression rasengan. even in the movie yes he was given chakura but was still able to handle the intensity of a giant rasengan at such a young age. with technology and the karma it is esentally programmed into you and to match with that we have quick learners. with naruto having the time skip with jiriya getting stronger boruto was almost undoubtedly going to at least scale exponentially being with both sasukae and kashin koji. Sasukae was an expert at combat and was witty, while kashin koji could teach him more like utilizing frogs and sage mode. Boruto being able to utilize all aspects of combat to his advantage plus being a quick thinker and learner makes it easy to believe he could have a power increase this big. And naruto while always taking training seriously had lost nothing yet, while boruto has lost everything which makes dedicating himself to training and bringing back his loved ones even more impactful on his training.
My only thing is, at that point Naruto has just lost his first and best friend, Sasuke. So he would’ve been training as hard as possible it was just underwhelming when we saw him in shippuden. But yeah I pretty much agree
look i dont mind that boruto is more talented than the old generation or that hell surpass them but right after timeskip?? like sasuke lost his eye n is in a tree, naruto is in a dif dimension.. why did we need these new threats that leave “unleashed” threats from a few chapters ago in the dust. like i enjoy boruto being strong n showing off, but the fact that he’s supposed to already be stronger than naruto and sasuke combined is just fucking weird icl
The power cap has been the biggest issue in the series for years... specially at the end of shippuden with madara being so strong that the author had to kill him in one of the dumbest ways possible while buffing naruto and sasuke until they were literal gods compared to the side casts, and in boruto the story repeats itself. That is why I think classic naruto had such an great power scaling balance compared to the rest of the series.
I bet if they would've made a prequel manga on either first or second great ninja war and the quality was as good as the Minato one shot this franchise would still be as relevant and mainstream as JJK or CSM.
I feel like you really miss the point that a lot of people complaining about power creep in Boruto didn't like it any better the way Shippuden started taking off like a rocket until it hit chakra gods, and then add on that going on to add things on top of that is just absurd, when the Naruto MCs had literally reached once in 1,000+ years power levels. Two wrongs don't make a right, especially when that wrong is doubling down on the power creep that takes your world from unique to something that might as well be generic superheroes and villains, squandering the world that pulled in the base audience of the IP. It doesn't matter if the OP thing is big or small, the scale of power you're dealing with is so through the roof its absurd to breaking any reasonable suspension of disbelief and starts rendering your IP into Cosplaying DBZ or just old Superheroes vs Supervillains where nothing mattered but rule of cool. Also yes letting power levels reset where its not the direct children, but their grandchildren where the original series characters are the idols or feared villains they look up to is perfectly fine, since that way you're not saddled with the baggage of people would rather watch what the OC cast is up to. ------------- The fact that you keep having to put Kaguya's clan as a bench mark pretty much shows that yes the Naruto world has power creeped to hell since the Pain Arc (which was pushing what was healthy for good story telling even then), where a single person destroying a village was a major feat, to power of the 10 Tails is casually thrown around, who could destroy the planet. That the guy trying to say power creep doesn't exist had to add 2 whole new tiers to the power system, when the tier above Kage was already I solo ninja armies, further shows the opposite point. Power Creep isn't disproved by there were limited examples of a tier of power, it includes when the tier of power that was once peak and rare keeps growing. The final also cements that the answer is yes there is power creep when your going from destroy the planet level threat to destroy solar systems worth of planets level threats.
Well Hashirama wasn’t fully controllable so possibly no. But since Orochimaru has had 15 years to experiment freely under Naruto’s lax surveillance it would not surprise me if he suddenly summoned Edo Kaguya or whatever. Assuming Otsutsuki souls go somewhere where they can be retrieved
"Not nearly as bad as Dragon Ball." He says... Right... Ngl this is exactly the same as Dragon Ball right down to the part where the advent of the second generation experiences little to no new credible threats that don't involve planet conquering aliens. Edit: Or a scientist using their data to artificially create them.
@@PrimalIncentiveI'm more concerned with the impact and pacing the power creep had on the story rather than raw numbers. And technically Shibai is the peak of the verse. We're just dealing with the build up to it still.
Naruto brought peace to the Shinobi world. Undoing that would make all the themes and sacrifices from the 500 chapters of Naruto irrelevant. Despite the very big flaws that the anime has, it's done a great job bringing earthly threats for Boruto and the rest to deal with between Otsutsuki dilemmas in the monthly manga.
I largely agree. My only point of quibbling is the idea that the universe's progression is "no where near Dragon Ball" is incredibly uncharitable and unrealistic when it has resulted in many of the same story beats.
even still using 11:00 anything after kaguya and the part right before kaguya was introduced as a defense for power creep in bourto isnt that good. Its pretty heavily agree'd upon infact no arguement at all that naruto got bad specifically with kaguya so yknow you saying" well actually the powercreep which made it bad started during the novels" when everyone already agrees the bad power creep started way before that is kinda pointless.
Power creeping is usually more used in video games, it's basically when new content us added that make the old one useless and weak in comparison and is usually made just to hype up the new stuff and make it not being overshadowed by the old one
I think the issue lies in how kishi originally decided to show power increase. By having bigger and badder forms and jutsu it cemented in us that in order to be at the highest tier of power in this universe you need to have something either big or bad. Now he's scaled it back to "these hands" in a very short amount of time it doesn't sit right with people. To me the shinjuu feel like we're going backwards. The ten tails hasn't been a relevant threat since we found out that they are just chakra snacks for the otsusuki yet now just because it has a brain it's somehow stronger than a high ranked otsutsuki like iishiki is pretty silly to me. Feels like kishi is struggling with boruto tbh
Honestly have to say that I genuinely agree with Nick's overall conclusion. Really, the power rise is at least explained in a way. Granted it still is a power creep but it at least has some meaning behind it. Like Boruto having been hunted down by everyone alive, plus code and having to learn everything from Kashin Koji and Sasuke.
To be fair, I don't think kawaki is Ishiki level at least, not yet. I don't think he's strong enough to beat damon.. let alone be Ishiki level.. Maybe it happens in Karma 2 (horns + tattoos all over his body). Also, I don't think the regular Shinju are as strong as boruto. I think each Shinju is code level except Jura, who could be as strong as boruto and Ishiki.
Power creep is a completely realistic and common sense concept. Technology and weapons devolop exponentially in the real world, so why wouldn’t they in an abnormally long running franchise that’s literally now got Advancement as one of its core themes ? The fights have tended to be contained into taijutsu in any case
The story of Naruto/Boruto started falling apart with power creep around the pain ark. Also an important part of power creep is unexplained or unearned power increases. Boruto likes to use genetics as a reason for characters getting 10x stronger in a year of time.
I honestly don't think that Naruto had much power creep until the final battle really takes off... maybe the sharingan, as that just kept adding on abilities 🤔 outside of that, characters power came from what jutsu and other tricks they used. In Boruto it feels much closer to how Dragon Ball does their new villains, it's always just about hitting harder, not about interesting abilities or skills 🤷♀️ almost everyone just absorbing ninjutsu is kinda boring and feels like low effort on the writers part. "What abilities are we going to give this new badguy to make him/her an interesting threat?" "Just make them immune to the good guys special abilities and have them punch really hard" 😞 a big part of what made the fights in Naruto interesting, at least to me, was how they figured out weaknesses and other ways to deal with enemies. Only time I can really think of in Boruto that fits, is in the fight with Ao, when they trick him into using the "lightsaber" 🤔
You can correct me if I'm wrong but, Yashahime had a manga. Not many chapters but it had one, but basically 90% of it was retconed. I say 90% because of Towa.
Ok in OPM it make sense. That's the whole point. Because Saitama is the peak, the roof. A Roof exist, and people are getting closer and closer to him. But it doesn't make sense in basically any other premise.
Power creep happens in everything unfortunately but I never mind it as long as the story makes sense with it boruto and Naruto kinda just started throwing crazy upward scaling from the war arc and further
The Ten tails is a lot smaller than the one during the War Arc. Since it's already established that earth has the strongest chakra fruit due to Shibai, it doesn't make sense for the claw grimes copies to be this powerful from the start. They literally dwarf Isshiki who was strong enough to subdue the same Ten Tails to begin with.
I disagree with the idea that having planetary-level characters in the setting would necessitate the new MCs becoming similarly overpowered. That's a result of the direction they decided on, not the circumstances around them. The plot of Boruto never had to be about destroying infinitely stronger and stronger gauntlets of enemies, they could have made the sequel series more about the psychology involved in a setting like this putting so much pressure onto one's power as birthright or test results determining their future prospects. It could have been a enemy of the week gag manga with loose serialisation. It could have even been the new characters just showing different ways to try to approach the legacy of their parents as their parents decide to largely retire and set down their blades, with future Otsutsuki staying around the level of Kaguya and a bit higher and the adults staying around their war power level (without outside boosts like 6th path sage), meaning even a single new Otsutsuki showing up would be a MASSIVE, world-shaking threat. The issue in this story is self imposed. There were infinite ways to take the story that didn't rely on making the new characters dozens of times stronger than any character im history before they're even full grown adults. The original series had a similar and obvious issue with power creep, but it has a few characters that at least tried to ground the progression. Honestly, characters like Naruto weren't power crept beyond the power we'd believe possible until the war arc. Before then, we had already been seeing other obsurdly powerful characters that showed us where the power ceiling in the world was around. In the lead up to the war, he suddenly smashes through every power ceiling the series had to that point to catch up to the villain that was repeatedly breaking the presumed ceiling every few chapters. The reason that it IS a serious issue during the war and then even moreso during Boruto, the CEILING is getting shattered every step of the way, meaning we have nothing to ground the power to and no reason to assume that any powerlevel is ever off limits anymore. Will Boruto be able to destroy the universe with an errant thought by the end of the series? We can't know, there's no reason it couldn't get there. That is a problem for a series that wants conflict to ever feel understandable, and if ANY character wants to be relevant to the plot, they have to gain more power in a few years than Naruto managed in his entire life (a character who was naturally gifted multiple boosts that others will never have, such as being the reincarnation of a demigod, having at least 25% of the chakra of the ten tails in his pocket, and the insane base chakra pool he inherited). Any character coming out to surpass all of that in much less time is just... unreasonable. An author can make it happen, but after watching one of the most gifted humans in history take so many years, it's not reasonable from OUR perspective even if it's technically possible.
Age nerfs etc. Lost an arm and six paths sage chakra. Gets the scaled back lower then hashirama. Then a sacrifice like every hokage does and you have a reset. Then have sasuke get captured and get saved y boruto. Still uses 1 main character that never got a lot of screen time. So easy you underestimate manga
This might be a hot take but i dont see a problem with the current kage being able to work together to take down kinshiki as naruto even in kcm1 was considered relative and stronger than the kage like ai and tsunade and the current kage where all taught by the past kage while having 10+ years with naruto to prepare for otsusiki level threats
Power creep doesn’t bother me at all because I don’t see it as a problem. I didn’t even know the term existed and that it was a problem to so many people. I thought it was completely normal for characters to get stronger in order to beat the new villain. That’s kinda how it goes with every story right? Good guy beats villain, new villain appears stronger than the last and good guy has to get stronger to beat the new villain. I mean doesn’t dragon ball do that? Demon slayer? I thought that’s just how it worked but I guess people complain about everything.
Why did no one complain at the beginning of shippuden when sasuke was able to solo yamato sakura and naruto with one jutsu in seconds.. oh they were.. they complained about how naruto got almost nothing.. well they gave boruto some exciting shit.. and now we have to let the rest of the cast power up
I problem with “power creep” is people having this thought that daemon/boruto is #1 which isn’t gonna be the case when we see the shinju fight. Bug already bypass edia shinjutsu so daemon isn’t safe he has knowledge on how to counter his hax when talking to code pre ts, and bug could just rely on his instincts instead of killing intentions to eat daemon because he’s not human. Jura casually 1tap kawaki holding back not trying to kill, so boruto is obviously not able to do the same to kawaki using brute force, which is a clear sign to me boruto/kawaki will have to team up vs him. Next chapter will set up jura to kidnap hima so boruto/kawaki wiil have a reason to naturally team up to save their sister. If boruto/daemon solo their opponents by themselves this 1st would be hella anticlimactic, everyone will feeling like it’s a fanfic series instead of a manga with consequences.
The problem with 'power creep' is many fans were insistent that x character beats y via blitz during the pre-boruto era when in reality its a much closer fight, however with shikamaru able to react to the levels of characters he has shown to in boruto as well as other kage shown in this video, those people will need to either revisit those ideas of blitzing or blame power creep. So they blame and complain about power creep.
I think a big part of it is: When Naruto had his timeskip, he was still weaker than characters like Hashirama, Madara, Jiraiya, Probably Kakashi. Then the Pain arc, He passed Kakashi, possibly still weaker than Jiraiya, Hashirama. There were characters stronger than him (Not just antagonists) at the end of Shippuden, Naruto and Sasuke became the strongest characters. but now with Boruto's jump, he's not only become the strongest non-antagonist, he's left Naruto and Sasuke in the dust, and this is his equivalent to Naruto at the start of Shippuden. it's how just at the start of two blue vortex, he's already the strongest non-antagonist.
I still find it weird and low key stupid that the juvenile tentails made a character like moegi so stromg when madara got stronger than a fully grown tentails( although only at 75%) when he became jubidara
I don't know who wasn't accusing Naruto of power creeps when everyone I knew complained about that especially me. That was the worse part of Shippuden because Naruto specifically during the war arc.
I don’t have any problem whatsoever with power creep. It’s just something that has to happen. Just like plot armor. Maybe it isn’t always fun, but if you don’t have it, you have no story. We can’t just have weaker villains than the previous villains. That’s not fun. The Boruto Kage are Otsutsuki level. They would all clap Juibidara individually and put up a decent fight against Kaguya. If they can’t, they wouldn’t be strong enough to fight Momoshiki and Kinshiki. Momoshiki was running away from Darui. Momoshiki is a guy that looks down on humans and calls them “inferior creatures”. Do you really think a guy like that would run away? He wouldn’t unless he had to. Kinshiki was keeping up with Sasuke, yet Chojiro was able to restrain him and Kurotsuchi is able to punch him through the god tree. And even when Momoshiki became Fused Momoshiki, Gaara was able to keep up and even hold him back for a few seconds. And even though he knocked out the 4 Kage, they still survived. They only got knocked out for a few minutes and showed no lasting damage. You may say Momoshiki is weaker than Kaguya but he’s not. Fused Momoshiki could pressure Naruto and Sasuke at the same time. Adult Naruto and Sasuke are individually stronger than Kaguya. You may say that Naruto lost 50% chakra and Sasuke used space-time ninjutsu so they didn’t have 100% chakra. But that doesn’t make them weaker. The Naruto fandom seems to be under the impression that the amount of chakra you have equals power but that doesn’t make any sense. That’s like saying if your car only has 50% gas, it can only go 50% as fast. Doesn’t make any sense. Naruto with 50% chakra is as powerful as Naruto with 100% chakra. It’s just that the Naruto with 50% chakra is going to run out of chakra first. Naruto in part one had way more chakra than characters he lost to. So chakra level ≠ strength. It helps to have more, but it doesn’t automatically make you stronger. You may say it doesn’t make sense that they’re this strong. It kinda does. A big theme in Naruto is that hardwork > talent/gifts and that theme has continued into Boruto. The Otsutsuki steal power and that power makes them strong, strong enough to beat most shinobi, but they can still get beaten with hard work. For all intents and purposes, Nauro and Sasuke should not be as strong as Momoshiki or Kaguya or any Otsutsuki really. Because those Otsutsuki ate the chakra fruit of at least one probably multiple planets. So how do they have enough power to beat them? Training. Even though gifts get you far, training will get you farther. It’s how Naruto and Sasuke and the Kage can beat Otsutsuki and it’s how Boruto beat Code. Even though you think the new Kage are weaker than the old Kage, they aren’t. They have less gifts like how Kurotsuchi doesn’t have partical style, but that doesn’t mean she’s weaker than Ohnoki. She’s stronger. It’s been established in Bourto that bigger doesn’t mean better, that also means gifts aren’t always better than hard work. Boruto didn’t even use his Karma to beat Code, he used his training. It’s how Sarada will most likely become stronger than Sasuke and it’s how Mitsuki will become stronger than Orochimaru. You may not like it but it’s what will happen. At least I hope so. I’d rather not have Hagoromo or Indra or somebody come down and give Sarada more power.
People who usually care about power creeps are the ones who engage in battleboarding and most likely hate it because it beats their favorite. You don't see anyone complaining aboht power crepting in Bleach for a reason.
My issue with power creep in boruto is that it really doesn’t even need to exist A good story, following boruto and his team, as kids then young teens, doing ninja shit is all we really wanted. Sasuke training Boruto and Naruto training Sarada, let the grown ups deal with big flashy fights, while our MC’s fight against the missions and the exams a young ninja needed to do. Then if you really really really need to make boruto the strongest in the verse, have it happen naturally like it did with Naruto, let him take the torch and stand on business against a villain that you could have set up during the entire story We didn’t need all this exes bs that just over complicates the story
Okay, question- since Kishimoto wanted to move away from "giant chakra mechs" (which I fully understand), how is he going to work around Saradas Susanoo? Is it going to be no Susanoo at all? Imperfect one? Or maybe Sarada will be the first to actually make a body-sized armor out of her Susanoo and not have to steer a giant chakra mech? So many questions and all we can do is wait for this to unravel 😢
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Do you know hashirama sage mode is the perfect version of the same sage mode that jugo has, and that sage mode is connected to the chakra tree and and i think hagoromo train hashirama this sage mode and I think hashirama train jugo clan because of they can produce senjustu chakra and hashirama did that to prevent another marada and I think hagoromo only train hashirama to strong else to train next generation's to be strong else for fight again kaguya if kaguya ever comeback from her imprison of being seal away
I guess that makes sense. Naruto Shippuden's tactics basically boiled down to shock and awe using overwhelming samurai/power ranger-Esq techniques of having the more powerful jutsu/spell or piloting a chakra Megazord. Boruto Blue Vortex's techniques are more nuanced with teleporting, dimension-creation, mind-wiping, jutsu-canceling, energy absorption and (of course) the constant game of "who is a cyborg, clone, alien, and/or tree-person?".
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Considering the power creep in Naruto i am very curious whats your opinion on the vs match up of baryon mode Naruto vs prime Yamcha?
I learned about power creep from Pokemon. It's usually what makes mons that were the best in the earlier generations low tier currently.
Charizard is still overpowered in the card game though
Sandslash will always be my favorite
But pokemon is pretty Well balanced because there is Always some way to counter a overpowered mon and Always some Trick that balances Things Out
@@MysteryGuradian No amount of trying will make Tauros, for example, (who was top tier in gen1) do well in today's competitive, mostly due to power creep.
@@lytethekyte while that is true there are Always the lower Tiers where Mons Like tauros have niches and can Put in some Work yes there are Mons that are Just Bad that dont do anything but even they have a nich in some way and in their respective Tiers
Series should’ve stayed more grounded in martial arts, bloodline limits, and village specialties. OG Naruto had such a special feel to it.
Boruto is mostly taijutsu so we aren't gonna be seeing nukes. I don't think it's gonna be that big of a issue
@@Codyslxthey r changing up the game from taijutsu a little with the addition of the Shinji who cant absorb jutsu and they themselves utilize jutsu and chakra natures unlike the otsutsuki. Now we will be seeing ninjutsu battles as well which is cool
@@Codyslx Compare taijutsu in Naruto and Boruto and tell me which one is better? In addition to that it makes no sense with characters who are showing both skill and power of chunin at best. Naruto 16 y.o. would no diff Delta by feats without using nukes. Jigen would be wasted by either Sasuke or Naruto. Naruto's SM is somehow trash these days yet Mitsuki can hang out with Ootsutski level characters(they are technically by there but not by feats). Ishiki showed nothing feat wise to put him above any Kage in Naruto yet he is completely dominating both Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto uses some Fox suicidal mode that showed feats below 1 tail Naruto yet we somehow need to believe it's even stronger than Six Paths Sage Mode?
Boruto makes no sense power wise. Taijutsu is beyond simple and not creative at all. In addition to this they don't use jutsu(no hand signs), they have unlimited energy with no context(in Naruto there was always some recharge moment). Simple strikes and kicks with powers activated on a whim with no cost or special conditions = worse than most Naruto fights.
The only thing where Boruto excels at are belts. They're everywhere along with costumes that make no sense for shinobi to wear.
@NameUserOf Bro wtf is this rant? I'm not reading that shit, literally has nothing to do with my comment.
They varied off from bloodline limits and specialities imo. They flashed it at first then never really dove into the possibilities multiple elemental affinities could do
I think there’s a difference between power creep and character power progression. Power to creep, in my experience and understanding from video games, is associated more to when the strength and abilities of characters scale out of control to where it violates the power system unreasonably or introduces a less reasonable, usually more highly scaled, power system with the previous more reasonable system. I think Boruto definitely has this.
Naurto was having power creep around time of kaguya introduction
@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl yes but actually around Juubito was where it began to get bad. With Juubidara and EOS Naruto and EOS Sasuke it becomes ludicrous. Kaguya isn't that bad actually mainly because of how poorly she handles her power, but her fight IQ tones her power down a bit at least. Imho Edo Madara should've lost to the 5 Kage and Juubito should've been the series's power ceiling. He was insanely strong and it needed KSM Naruto and a Jugo-buffed EMS Sasuke to content with him but in the end when he was vulnerable literally EVERYONE helped ripping the tailed beasts out of him. That was insanely strong but "reasonable" for lack of a better term and required no bullshit external amp but "only" literally a combination of all powers Naruto and Sasuke ever had
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl I'd say it became pretty prevalent as soon as Pain one tapped Konoha lol, then proceeded to beat Naruto until Hinata interrupted.
@@UnravelGhoulx i think the pain one was reasonable. If i call that unreasonable then i have no business watching jjk.
@@arrexu01Depends on the series. JJK is pretty ridiculous from the get go because Gojo gets introduced early.
To be honest if Naruto and Sasuke were the Protagonists of Boruto like how Goku and Vegeta are the Protagonists of Dragon Ball Super i think a lot more people would like Boruto.
This is a good take
Maybe initially but it's still just dragging the corpse of something that died. I feel like thats why people don't like boruto in the first place
@@yoridetth856 THEN DON'T MAKE BORUTO KEEP IT LIKE SHIPPUDEN.
The show is called Boruto for a reason.
@@amoyko You don't need to back seat them.
To be clear, power creep in Shippuden is 100% an issue. The war arc really struggled to contain the power levels, and kept having to give people random upgrades so the cool characters could continue to contribute. A great example is Minato having sage mode because they discovered that only sage attacks could work on 10 tails jinchuriki. He caveat's it by suggesting that he isn't very good at sage mode, before instantly entering sage mode and showing that he is in fact a perfect sage. It was bad enough that he was a perfect jinchuriki with the other half of Kurama, so they could do that asspull of teleporting the entire shinobi alliance because Naruto had shared Kurama's chakra with them. It was just all over the place. Kishimoto made Madara too strong so he just made everyone else broken too. It wasn't very exciting for me.
Boruto is even worse, but I cba to get into all of that.
With Minato it's weird because he has sage mode but like doesn't use it in any meaningful capacity. As for him saying he isn't good at using sage mode, IIRC he does say that he can't maintain it for long
Yeah I feel like this post used the massive power creep in the War Arc to justify the power creep in Boruto, when we didn't like it then either. Everything after the Pein arc just got completely out of hand. Naruto went from genin level (without kyuubi cloak) to maaaybe a lower Jonin level across his timeskip whereas Boruto cleared Jonin, Kage, 6 paths and hit the pinnacle of what we've seen in the series in the same amount of time. The two power boosts aren't even comparable.
@@GameCyborgCh The justification for Minato not being good at sage mode always read like a continuity issue to me. No one can maintain sage mode while moving around. The point of summoning Fukusaku and Shima is that they gather the sage energy for you while you move. It's as if Kishimoto just forgot about the mechanics of sage mode when he wrote that. If he was an imperfect sage, then it would at least look consistent.
@@young_raymond47 Fukusaku and Shima were summoned to help gather and natural energy while in a fight and help stabilize it cause the person can't just stop in a middle of a life and death fight to enter sage mode safely, maintaining sage made for a prolong time is another issue on its own, but maintaining it in fight or while in motion was never a problem i remember being stated. Also the problem seems to be for a imperfect sage. cause Naruto as a perfect stage didn't have the same problems Jiraiya had.
@@CrisisPhoenix Naruto did have the same problems. Fukusaku attempted to teach him how to bind, it just didn't work because of Kurama. He came up with an alternative solution for replenishing his nature energy.
My point is that as long as Minato can enter sage mode, they should hypothetically be able to maintain it indefinitely by binding with Ma and Pa. I don't understand why Minato feels that not being able to stay in the form is a signifier of his incompetence. Once you run out of nature energy, you lose the sage transformation. That's the same for everyone.
I honestly think the tailed beasts acting as basically superweapons with a handful of ninja able to keep up with them and the boss summons would have been a great time to implement a power ceiling. Honestly I think after Pain they should have just gone with mostly side grades as threats.
Or they should have ended the show with madara being the final villain and ended the show there contuing after Shippuden was a huge mistake
I think the biggest issue of power creep is the idea that they maintained Naruto and Sasuke in the story, power scaled them to Otsuski's, and still wanted to make it out that Boruto is somehow going to go even further beyond.
Come the Time Skip and... He has (and hasn't) without justifying it proper. Of course he has the Karma seal, something that just got slapped into Boruto to justify the power creep out of nowhere, he's had 3 years to train, to get beyond Sasuke and Naruto, and now we are seeing everyone forcibly having to get to the same, or relative power level in order to have anyone be of any help.
It is trying to tell us that everyone is approaching, or beyond, the strongest in the verse despite the fact the strongest of the past were still alive during this time and only aren't the strongest because they had to be hard nerfed or, quite literally, had their power taken away to have any stakes.
Power creep will always exist, but power creep the disrespects, or undoes, what was already established just feels, and is, flat out distasteful.
Boruto did more for karma than Naruto did for Kurama, Boruto is a full Otsutsuki so it makes sense that he surpasses them. Everyone else aren't gonna ever reach that level which is why they have to jump their respective Shinju
@PrimalIncentive Naruto being handed Kurama from the get go has always been a bit of an issue when it came to Naruto being seen as an underdog, despite the fact he realistically had everything going for him (Insane Chakra pool as an Uzumaki, son of Minato, and being a Jinchuriki of the "good" half of the strongest tailed beast) but the claim Boruto is "full Otsutsuki" is complete fan based theory.
Of course this could be proven as though but it isn't. Simply stating that Boruto is something out of pure speculation, albeit well informed, is still just speculation. Let alone, even if you wanna say he is a full Otsutsuski he DID NOT do anything to earn his Karma Seal. He was entirely given the victory/kill to earn himself the seal as a "This is Boruto's story" moment when, realistically, Naruto or Sasuke could have claimed it would it not have been for that idiot that refueled their biggest threat. Boruto did not do anything on par with Naruto to achieve the same power and yet he is going to surpass him nonetheless. He isn't even gonna lose his sensei cause it's Sasuke, who has not only been confirmed to still be alive but they sure as shit ain't gonna kill him even by the end when Boruto is suddenly Universe level on par with Shibai
@@loser108108 Boruto being a full Otsutsuki was literally stated in the manga tho💀 he's a full Otsutsuki and he only became it after sacrificing himself for those he loves. He did earn the karma tho💀 he saved the 5 kage with his vanishing rasengan, used his skill and Momoshiki's lack of knowledge on ninjutsu to stab his rinnegan which stopped him from absorbing then he landed the finishing blow. Naruto did a lot more than Naruto💀 enough to to DESERVE THIS POWER. Naruto didn't work for most of his power ups(which he got in the span of a 2 day war)while Boruto trained for 2 days, he didn't lose Sasuke but he DIED, got his arm broken, got his back broken, lost an eye and lost his life in the village. He's the same as Naruto except he isn't forcing the underdog thing
@PrimalIncentive I will admit I don't read the manga like a bible, one google search showing that they did in fact state Boruto is full alien now, but it in fact only proves further it was entirely unearned.
Boruto sacrificing himself was a noble dead, yes, but it's not like he did it so that he would be revived as full Otsutsuki. So you talking about him earning it is completely negated by the fact this was done outside of his will and, just like Naruto, handed to him despite his inability to choose.
Trying to say he earned the karma is also not at all acceptable when it was Naruto who gave him the chakra and power needed for the massive rasengan, Sasuke helped in duping and getting Boruto as close as he did, and the final blow was still just handed to Boruto just cause Naruto was out of commission while being a pin cushion.
And the claim that Naruto got his power ups without earning them is completely false. From the get go he is handed everything, yes, but Naruto still put in the effort to train as strong as he is. He learned the Rasengan despite being ill suited to the method needed to do so. He had to face Kurama and win to earn his first stage cloak. He befriend Kurama, and the rest of the tailed beasts, to earn his second stage cloak. And during the empty years he trained even more to get as strong as he is in Boruto. The single power up he got handed, after being born strong, was the same power up Sasuke got, and both lose, during the war from Haguromo to seal away Kaguya and prove he loves Sasuke as more than a friend (Bowchickabowow)
So before trying to act like you're the biggest brain of the comment section, why not use that alleged brain power to think before you type. I'll admit when I'm wrong without being a snarky zoomer
@@loser108108 Him not doing it with the intention to become full Otsutsuki doesn't take anything away tho? Did Naruto go into the war expecting six paths chakra? No, did he train for it? No.
He forced Momoshiki to do it by sacrificing himself, he EARNED IT even if he didn't intentionally do it.
So because he had help and got assistance he didn't earn it? You know I admit that I sometimes act like I'm above everyone else but at least I'm not a hypocrite🤦🏿 you said this then went ahead and said Naruto earned Kurama like he didn't have help from his mom JUST LIKE BORUTO, like he didn't have someone giving him the opportunity to do it JUST LIKE BORUTO, the bias is showing.
You're going to say he trained for rasengan like every rasengan user didn't have to do that INCLUDING BORUTO🤦🏿 said he earned the first kurama cloak despite the fact that he had HELP FROK 2 PEOPLE JUST LIKE BORUTO. Boruto trained to control and activate v1 karma so he earned it, he sacrificed himself and became full Otsutsuki so he earned that as well. Only a Naruto fan could be so much of an hypocrite that he counts befriending monsters as earning but beating one with help isn't🤦🏿if we use CONSISTENT logic then he got handed every power up except for sage mode. He got handed kcm2, got handed six paths sage mode which he kept up until the Isshiki fight, got handed tailed beast chakra etc....
Before trying to debate put away your bias and be consistent, you can't say one character didn't earn something because he got help then say the other one earned it even though he had help too.
The difference in power from Jigen and Ishiki is not a small amount.
So when they say code without limitations is stronger than Jigen. They mean Jigen.
Eh not really, Isshiki that we get is not that much stronger than Jigen. He is like double in power but its not like he is five times or so strongeer.
Ishiki uses Cubes while Jigen doesn’t
@@TheLastSane1 Isshiki no diffed naruto and sasuke in less than 2 minutes pre baryon in a dead vessel. Jigen took a whole episode and still failed. It's way more than a 5x power gap.
@@zyadeldinehjij8289 Chakra sensory inhibiting cubes at that
@@TheLastSane1Isshiki low diffed Naruto and Sasuke while Jigen needed chakra from the 10 tails before he confronted Naruto, had to use his curse mark to fight both, and then had to recover afterwards. Isshiki is WAY stronger than Jigen.
The issue is power Creep tied with Worf aspects. Boruto has to turbo charge ahead of where Naruto and Sasuke were to be relevant to these new and worse threats when they did not nearly have the time, respect or WORK put into threats like Orochimaru or Maddara. Naruto and Sasuke are not treated as the Big Goods in scenarios and they keep on writing them to be off the stage so Boruto can do things.
I don't think so. Naruto and isshiki are the absolute power cap, everyone else minus mabye the ten tails fall under these two.
God i know this isnt gonna happen but it would be really really cool if Boruto and the rest of the ninja were just always weaker than the aliens and had to use ninja training and tricks and intelligence to beat them. Showing that being smart and tactical would be alot better than just being able to shoot bombs at them.
glad to se someone that has common sense and really understands what made Naruto special.
@@rwells3325 I wana see Shikamaru beat some crazy insanely unstopable monster just because he understands how things work better
@@leonxdz There needs to be a balance between wit and skillz. Anime like DBZ and one punch and many others are built around pure power fights and not much wit and actual thought just a huge specatcle. From day one Naruto was always a mixture of power and tactics which is a much more rewarding formula.
That is stupid because if shikamaru could beat a God by outsmarting them it would make the God seem week and not intelligent people still clown of hidan and call him the weakest akatsuki and people ignore when strategie was being used in the war arc
Strategy doesn't matter this is basic rule in martial arts and fighting if you have no power compreble to the person allowing you to edge out the victory that's why an average Mma fighter beats a world class heavy weight women Mma fighter
@@rwells3325 true but since the middle of war arc they started to side more with the power side but still occasionally relied on strategies wether it succeeds or fails it was still intresting to watch like the 5 kages combination attack to bypass madara's rinnegan or Minato's plan to help guy against juubidara, shikaku Nara allied forces plan to stop ten tails or even Kakashi's plan against kaguya. even with op characters they Always used 'some' level of strategies even if sometimes it failed.
but boruto took it to the next level the villains became way too op that Even the smartest characters like shikamaru became completely useless the strategy part was straight out neglected and only power matters
Honestly the problem with Boruto isn’t necessarily power creep but the undermining of OG characters we love. Introducing hax villains and making the og said characters look like they lack any iq. Like why is Naruto’s six paths sage mode abilities never used after the war and why does Sasuke never use any other paths of the rinnegan. Boruto also is given every hax ability in TBV, while Naruto literally wasn’t at sasuke’s level until the Pain arc and showed real development and progression. There is no actual funny/comedic, deep or emotional moments in boruto besides kurama’s death or involving og characters. Also no one likes a character given everything bc the writers love this kid so much, boruto needs to balance both the newer era of characters and also pay homage to the original character we saw develop for 700 episodes . Who cares if it’s a stand alone series, we only care about boruto because of Naruto.
It’s the same way with DBS, when they hit godly levels of power, but the blasts and movements remain the same. It’s just certain people saying how they’ve improved or how much stronger they are that we can put it on a scale. Realistically, the Broly movie alone should’ve easily wiped out the planet, and possibly the Galaxy. But we ignore it because the anime’s are fun.
Just want to point out that Kinshiki isn't as hopeless as this video makes it seem. Don't forget that Kinshiki was keeping up with Sasuke's lightning cloak and during the chunin exams, Shikamaru actually had to save Sasuke with shadow possession.
I think the problem with Boruto's power creep isn't just the fact that it exists tbh. It's the fact that, in order to satisfy it, older characters were nerfed beyond belief to the point that the 12 year old kids were securing the front lines against the supernatural aliens at a certain point.
Although it seems like such a light touch, I think genuinely the power creep of Boruto would've been significantly easier to receive if Momoshiki visited the planet when Boruto and the gang were already 17-18 with jonin-kage+ level power within reasonable expectation instead of literal genin children.
I think my only issue in terms of Power Creep in Boruto is that I feel they went after opponents who could be comparable with an Akatsuki level threat too early on. When they were faced with the evil organization Kara, I felt like they should've dealt more with actual genin and chunin level threats before so quickly jumping to inner circle people. This way people in Naruto and Sasuke's weight class could be focusing on learning about the inner circle and having some stalemate fights with them, while Boruto and his compatriots dealt with the outer circle threats for a while. Eventually leading to Boruto having built up enough experience to start dealing with inner level stuff.
I don't mind the ridiculous levels of power because it was already established it was going to go there, I just wish it didn't go there at, what to me felt like, a breakneck speed.
I fundamentally disagree with the idea that you can't hit a reset button without keeping the characters current power levels. They live in a ninja village; characters will constantly be on missions, and the children have to fill in the gaps like they did in Naruto.
I also hate the idea of power scaling and lines of logic like "X beat Y, so Y can't beat Z". I think people fail to consider how a characters toolkit interacts with another characters, in relation to their power feats.
I think the power creep is a normal thing for battle manga but it made more sense in part one naruto and most of shippuden because it’s was following naruto growing stronger while we had stronger people already existing for him to strive towards realistically over time with only madara and kaguya being the only absurd nonsense pushing the bar above and beyond causing things to spiral at an accelerated rate
I think the part of power creep that people don't discuss enough about is how it pushes a lot of characters to the wayside
I saw the tile and thought " why is he taking about Pokemon?" 😂
Pokemon is an anime so why is that a shock.
When Naruto came back from his timeskip he wasn’t so above everyone else in the verse power scale wise so there was room to grow for him as well as other characters
Boruto is so above everyone else already it feels like he’s reached endgame. Even if there are other challenging opponents for him, he’s so above everyone else that it leaves little room for the supporting cast a chance to shine
Yeah but naruto wasnt constantly beign hunted down by literally everyone if he was he would've done the whole gaining contreole of kurama thing during the timeskip if be did that he would pretty much stomp everyone other than madara obito amd that level charecters
I don't think Power Creep on its own is a problem. It's kinda necessary. I think the problem with Boruto is that the Power Creep is not centered around Boruto and instead is done around Naruto. I think the Power Creep should have been reset for Boruto. We can still have threats that require Naruto and Sasuke to be involved, but it shouldn't have been the main focus. Now that Naruto and Sasuke are out of the picture and there are threats on their power level, Boruto is going to have to be at that power level. That fast of progression doesn't feel good.
But the question is if all the antagonists are gods that can only be handled by 2 characters then what's the point of the side characters, what do they do and why do they exist?
I feel like bleach handled the power creep well with all the shinigami playing a role in the last arc and being powerful enough to be useful.
But now for example in boruto we have shikamaru as a hokage... wtf can shikamaru do ? Kakashi, Tsunade, rock Lee , gaara and all the new gen kids who were introduced in both anime and manga... what's the point?
Even in Naruto's finale we had guy, Kakashi, Sakura, Tsunade, Gaara all being somewhat useful in their own way
the fact that code who was hyped to be a major antagonist got stomped on by base boruto is a good indication of the absurd powercliffing in the series
Code getting stomped is part of his character writing and he isn't a major villain yet
Also, what people think someone is doesn't make it so. They assumed that code would be a bad ass becuase of his potential power. Potential and actual are rarely the same.
He was never hyped to be a major villian
I think the problem is that we see naruto learning from the beginning like in the land of waves walking up trees exercise and as far as the manga not sure about the anime we never actually see boruto learning anything that's particularly hard for him like him with the rasengan he just picked it up were we see narto struggle for it so we saw narto leave to the time skip knowing he will be struggling but will come back strong where as in boruto just left never really having to struggle to learn anything and just came back o.p. so I feel people are finding it less engaging because they feel there not as involved with his growth as they were with naruto
It happened in Avatar the last air bender and Korra, some of the Avatar stuff can be explained with some spiritual lore but the blood bending and even more so the lightning bending was way too easy for everybody...
Think of it like this. You think FIRELORD ZUKO would GATEKEEP lightning bending just because it was a “royal technique”??? HELL NO. He taught his fellow people. Just like toph taking something niche like metal bending and having a whole school for earth benders everywhere. The opposite was done for blood bending, because, at its core, its disturbing. Look at unolaq. And as for air bending and lava bending, flying is still very hard to achieve, and lava is still somewhat rare, with only about 7 people showing their prowess in it (most being avatars with the exception of tophs student and bolin)
But my thing is dont you think spreading the secrets of these texhniques to more people actually balances the playing field and does the opposite by getting rid of ann chance of a power cliff
@@xenothekami888 Lightning bending was not just a royal technique but a master level technique. The usage should go up as the information becomes more readily available but having every random dude at the power plant able to do it is a stretch. Zuko couldnt even do it.
@@OMGSAMCOPSEY Zuko couldn't do it in ATLA due to his inner turmoil. I'm fairly certain that he would eventually be able to do so after all of the comics and he became more comfortable and confident as the Fire Lord. It probably became a lot more common when people found out you could use lightning bending to add to the power grid. It was still rare enough though that it was used for a gangster name (lightning bolt zolt).
@@OMGSAMCOPSEY you summed up my thoughts pretty good, having more people knowing how to do it isn't the issue but it's just the mondane feel to it. Metal bending is way more easier because it's not a life and death thing
My problem with Boruto is the fluctuation of power. What I mean by this is that one character would be stronger than another but then suddenly be weaker than that character. A good example is Sasuke. It is established that Rinnegan Sasuke with the help of Naruto couldn't beat jigen in part one. That means that Rinnegan Sasuke shouldn't even stand a chance against limitless code from part one. However, in the time skip two years later no rinnegan Sasuke is able to slash Codes eyes out and even keep up with code. The only reason Sasuke lost that fight is because he was looking after Boruto. Now I don't know how accurate Borutos words ate but still, a no rinnegan Sasuke was able to leave a mark on a limitless code.
There are many examples like this. Naruto vs Delta, the kids vs Boro
The code power creep is wild. Hey just through out a phrase and made him above jigen....then gets curve stomped.
Then theres every one else. How can any non charma character even compete
How does bro make all these vids?! He’s on a crazy run rn, keep it up!
I genuinely don’t get the hate for boruto the anime isn’t as bad as everyone said and the manga is better than most people just want Naruto to be like goku and steal the protagonist spot from boruto which is ridiculous Naruto’s character has been fleshed out in full his story ended when he got Sasuke back to the village imo
The anime during its slice of life arcs was fine. It's the manga that it's the issue. It changed names, had a time skip, sent the protagonist into the wilderness, and put the previous protagonists out of commission and we still don't have a single compelling concept, plot line, scheme, or villain.
Any other manga would've been canceled years ago, like during the Ao arc, but this is Shueisha's baby so I guess we have to put up with it.
Art style with a lots and lots of speedlines, goofy looking characters just name a few
Mfs these days love to nit pick over a story that's in it's beginnings. If they just shut their mouthes and let Kishimoto cook and build up the story, most of the problems they have would be resolved
@@randomguy8647 Naruto was good since chapter 1.
@@loliH9oh yea what about everything after the failed sasuke retrieval arc until mfkin shippuden… 😐
Naruto Explained has done videos articulating in detail how the current kage from the other villages are undoubtedly stronger than their predecessors
Ishiki/jigen not surfacing until now is pretty simple. Ishiki has been looking for a vessel because jigen was incompatible. Prior to Amado there was no way for him to place a karma (because he was too weak). He needed to find a 10 tails He didn't intervene in the 4GNW because he would risk losing his only body. If he moved in on that battle Kaguya could've bodied him. Fast forward 16 years;he has a perfect vessel nearly fully extracted, and a ten tails to siphon for power, and his next body goes missing, it's the only reason he would risk dying. The real question is where did the 10 tails come from? How did he get it? What are the chances the second ten tails is shibi's?
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How did you do the Naruto picture
NCHammer, I think you should probably just have an emil episode and invite them on to chat about all of their theories or something lol.
What if because Naruto shared his and kuramas chakra with everyone during the war arc, their bodies adapted to having large amounts of chakra and increased their chakra reserve space, inadvertently increasing everyone’s overall power passively
Power Creep is like Inflation in Economics. If you gain too much of it too quickly; your story will lose value on the basis that there's no scale to it and no one knows what is what.
If you have none of it though, then you basically have nothing; there will be no further progress nor wins or losess.
But you will always have it, and you will always need it; so it must be applied to the Goldilocks rule.
Want some crazy writing?... The power creep continues.. Boruto keeps getting stronger, Sasuke gets 3 rinne sharingans, Naruto becomes the 10 tails jinchuriki and sage of 6 paths, etc... most of the characters become planetary threats.. at their weakest. Thats when Shibai steps in... only no one can touch him, and they lose. No huge crazy fight, no 12 episode battle.. All this time, work, and build up leads to a single moment where he waves his hand, and like a well placed EMP, knocks everyone back to the stone age. No one remembers how to use jutsu, none of the tech remains.. Now they have to start from scratch and figure out how chakra works just like the days after Hamura and Hagoromo. In about a 10 minute scene, power scaling fixed.
Naruto absolutely got accused of power creep as well, what is this "naruto wasn't" crap lol
People who say Naruto didn’t power creep didn’t watch Naruto lol
Except it was earned power creep and not unrivaled in the lore.
Boruto is at a level above every shinobi except Naruto BM without any feats or amps shown why?? 😂😂
What did he do to gain his power/skill.
“Well you see, Boruto has a magic eye, that can do everything it needs to do”
@@natenae8635 the eye's not even manga canon yet 💀. Also we're only 8 chapters into the new manga we'll probably get more flashbacks about Boruto's training, just let Kishimoto cook
@natenae8635 Boruto is 100% outsutsuki + 3 years of actual training. He's akin to sasuke at the start of shippuden. Kawaki is basically naruto, weak coming straight out of timeskip.
@@natenae8635 Jougan has barely been used
The time slip arc just messes up powerscaling implying Kid Naruto and Jiraiya are that strong is ridiculous
8:21 “With relative ease”
Makes crushing metoers look like such a breeze
The tell-don’t-show route of Boruto is what kind of ruins Boruto for me and also the “power scalers” ruin the community for me
Edit: It all starts with Amado talking about Code, not Jigen/Isshiki … they showed us HOW and WHY Jigen beat Naruto and Sasuke (Jigen absorbed 10 tails Chakra and has abilities that Naruto and Sasuke can’t deal with) and Isshiki bodies them because he’s not held back by Jigens body. But NOTHING Code has done makes me believe that he could beat Jigen, Naruto, or Sasuke beside Amado just saying it’s true
even still. baby tentails and naruto and sasuke on their own should far surpass a ten tails.
Because code was unlucky to be fighting against the strongest people in the verse in daemon and boruto 😂😂so he is bound to look weak it is the same as jogo vs gojo or sukuna
@@DominicAduGyamfi-pz5qi thats the problem though, that’s why i said Amado saying that Code was strong than Jigen was the START of the problem with the story FOR ME (if you’re fine with it that’s fine). It takes me out of the story because we just saw these fights with Jigen and Isshiki and I think “wow these guys are monsters” and then we see Code get stomped twice with NO feats and then we’re supposed to believe that Daemon and Boruto are stronger than Jigen (which they are, but I just have to accept what the story tells me), I just wish we saw Code do something that made me believe he was stronger than Jigen, just like Jigen/Isshiki did by stomping Naruto and Sasuke
@@DominicAduGyamfi-pz5qi also Rinnegan-less Sasuke took out Codes eye while protecting Boruto and also fighting Claw Grimes .. I can’t imagine Sasuke doing that to Jigen just because Sasuke and Naruto barely did anything to Jigen
@@NewtBannnercode wasn't serious nor was he using karma once he got serious he took Sasuke out as the grime have no chance of beating Sasuke unless code actually beat him and injured him badly for the grimes to then bite him.
Screenwriter here. I've never worked on animation but obviously I'm a fan of anime, but I do work on tv dramas and the samething happens there- only there isn't really a term for it. You see it most often in long format shows that don't have a central plot so you're tasked with constantly upping the anty in order to engage audiences. Think of shows like Pretty Little Liars and Riverdale or a soap opera where the things that are happening don't really make sense but they do out do what happened in the last mid season finale, so it's exciting right! Right?
It's really all in how you handle the story, because it can work. A great show that does it well is Scandal. The characters, particularly the main character, does become more powerful (politically etc) throughout the series but it feels natural because it resonates with who she is as a person, what she's working towards, and the story surrounding her. The show never had a central plot to set a power ceiling with, like say Avatar did with the Firelord being the established big bad from day 1 so we knew where the "peak" would be, but the writers were in control of the "power creeping" and it wasn't just being driven by the network ordering more seasons or your budget doubling between this season and the last.
With Boruto I would say they did a kinda poor job of handling the power creeping in the beginning but Kishimoto has done a good job of trying to redirect since he's taken over the reigns again. Especially with TBV, we've seen that Kishimoto is setting up ways for multiple characters to keep pace (even tho yes they will be weaker) with Boruto and the power ceiling currently in TBV, which will help things feel more organic. He's also tying their power ups into relevant details of their life that we already know instead of random information we just found out about which helps their power ups feel more intentional. Now the Shinju are kind of a grey area right now, but I think again he's doing a good job of telling their story instead of just showing their power, so it feels less like power creeping and more like the natural progression of a story. Boruto's new rasengan is also a bit of a question mark but I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since we haven't gotten a reference to or explanation about it since it debuted. Same with him knowing flying raijin- if you tell a good story around it, fans will enjoy it.
Really power creeping is inevitable, so it all boils down to how you handle it. In the best cases like in Avatar it's clearly planned for and folds naturally into the story without being a distraction. Worst case you end up with two separate unexplained evil bunker torture chamber model houses built by two different mean girls in a hoodie just because it would shock the audience.
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To summarize... It's like how random villains just come fresh outta Toriyama's ass stronger than the one(s) before. Just 'cause.
I feel like too many anime fans look at strength and fighting prowess as a linear number that just goes straight up and makes you perfect, when it's a wheel of traits that all need to be trained respectively.
Someone who is strong against one type of opponent isn't going to be that same kind of strong against every opponent. Boruto is taking the time to remind everyone that these characters are extremely capable and adaptable and will grow in whatever direction is necessary to overcome a diverse set of obstacles, instead of always just pulling out the next bigger shinier gun.
The only objective and logical comment here man. 💯
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Exactly. People always bring up code being stronger than jigen but willfully ignore that jigen has eons of experience on him. Naruto and Sasuke could probably beat code. Code would not of survive that neck chop from sasuke in the jigen fight.
People need to be reminded time and time again that Naruto isn't Dragon Ball. Having a bigger number (within reason) doesn't automatically make you stronger than someone else.
@@FriendlyDarkwraithnaruto isn’t but naruto shippuden and boruto are
The writers need to think bigger in terms of plot & imagination. I personally would’ve liked to have seen an aged jaraiya looking Naruto and Sasuke to start the series off.
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Borato casually beating baryon mode is clearly not a sign of power creep right ?
I think the worst part of power creep isn't inherently that characters get stronger, it's that only about 4 or 5 of them get stronger. There were about a million characters in Naruto that were beloved, and a lot of them got stronger, but none of them have magic eyes so now they don't matter. Tenten has weapons from the actual sage of six paths, does she get to use them? no, those're just shop decorations now. All of the kage are supposed to be stupid strong, and they actually are, I'd comfortably say most of them are near the peak of what a normal ninja is capable of(not you Chojuro), but they're contending with actual demigods and gods. You might as well have never even met most of Boruto's class for all the use they get in the story. Oh yeah, shikishiki is coming to run Konoha's fade, better get Chocho to get fatter at him. It's why I think Kishimoto's biggest problem is how reductive he is when he used to be so good at world building. only 5 people actually matter. the only actually evil people are Danzo and the Otsutsuki. And now all ninjutsu, you know, the stuff every ninja clan has been working on for centuries now to make their own unique and powerful? that's all just a watered down version of something only Otsutsuki can do
I guess what isn't ever discussed is that just because you win a fight doesn't mean you're more powerful. There's luck and better battle IQ that can win out.
Dude, there are no better examples of power creep than Naruto, Itachi and Sasuke, ah but how Boruto is the powerful, that's already wrong 💀
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I guess that makes sense. Naruto Shippuden's tactics basically boiled down to shock and awe using overwhelming samurai/power ranger-Esq techniques of having the more powerful jutsu/spell or piloting a chakra Megazord. Boruto Blue Vortex's techniques are more nuanced with teleporting, dimension-creation, mind-wiping, jutsu-canceling, energy absorption and (of course) the constant game of "who is a cyborg, clone, alien, and/or tree-person?".
I disagree that a spin-offspring needs to start at a comparable power level to the original. If the sequel immediately introduces stakes that are as high or higher than the original, it cheapens the stakes of the original. This is my main gripe with power creep in general, that and unearned power ups for both good and bad guys(Madara being able to do things like use Kamui while the ten-tails jinchuriki, Minato being a perfect sage And a perfect jinchuriki etc).
Take Naruto and Boruto(the shows, not the characters). At the end of Naruto, Madara and Kaguya were defeated and the world was saved. Boruto doesn't have to start with another world ending threat of the same level as Madara and Kaguya, that should be much later on and should be built up to in the background while a new story is told. After all, now the leaders of the shinobi nations know that others like Kaguya are out there and might be coming, so they need to prepare. What will that look like, and what will the shinobi system/world look like now that the nations have come together to take down such a large threat? By exploring that, while building up to the coming threat, you could tell a new story through the new generation that doesn't invalidate/cheapen the previous story.
And you could work in the whole "why don't the older generation just save the new when they are in danger" by having the older generation wanting to do that, but having to stop themselves because the new generation needs to grow stronger and you don't grow stronger while coddled by your parents.
Power Growth is fine. Building up the stakes and powers over time is fine, but power creep like it is done in Dragonball, Naruto and Boruto leads to such massive power jumps for both the bad guys and the good guys. I rarely see people complain about Naruto being a perfect sage, because we saw him work for it, but I do see people complain about Minato being a perfect sage. Because we had never heard about him even training as a sage before that and it felt unearned. Unearned power ups are a symptom of power creep, imo.
This has been my biggest critique since like the beggining of Boruto, just handing out power like everyone needs an excuse to be at end of anime naruto power level for some reason
i think with things like naruto learning the rasengan really quickly the theme of ninjutsu vs technology is also in big play here. Relatively everyone like kid himiwari being really good at using the byakugan at a young age, i think people are also just able to learn and apply things alot faster. before the timeskip it didnt take much at all for boruto to learn multiple new rasengans like the compression rasengan. even in the movie yes he was given chakura but was still able to handle the intensity of a giant rasengan at such a young age. with technology and the karma it is esentally programmed into you and to match with that we have quick learners. with naruto having the time skip with jiriya getting stronger boruto was almost undoubtedly going to at least scale exponentially being with both sasukae and kashin koji. Sasukae was an expert at combat and was witty, while kashin koji could teach him more like utilizing frogs and sage mode. Boruto being able to utilize all aspects of combat to his advantage plus being a quick thinker and learner makes it easy to believe he could have a power increase this big. And naruto while always taking training seriously had lost nothing yet, while boruto has lost everything which makes dedicating himself to training and bringing back his loved ones even more impactful on his training.
Yes he is stated to be a super genius prodigy that basically masters everything he tries immediately. Thats not really good writing at all.
My only thing is, at that point Naruto has just lost his first and best friend, Sasuke. So he would’ve been training as hard as possible it was just underwhelming when we saw him in shippuden. But yeah I pretty much agree
look i dont mind that boruto is more talented than the old generation or that hell surpass them but right after timeskip?? like sasuke lost his eye n is in a tree, naruto is in a dif dimension.. why did we need these new threats that leave “unleashed” threats from a few chapters ago in the dust. like i enjoy boruto being strong n showing off, but the fact that he’s supposed to already be stronger than naruto and sasuke combined is just fucking weird icl
The power cap has been the biggest issue in the series for years... specially at the end of shippuden with madara being so strong that the author had to kill him in one of the dumbest ways possible while buffing naruto and sasuke until they were literal gods compared to the side casts, and in boruto the story repeats itself. That is why I think classic naruto had such an great power scaling balance compared to the rest of the series.
Good story plots and writing eclipses all of that tbh 😭 so I don’t notice it at all versus shows like DBZ or OPM 💯
Could the ninja who know sealing jutsu be able to seal the shinju into someone similar to the tailed beasts ?
I bet if they would've made a prequel manga on either first or second great ninja war and the quality was as good as the Minato one shot this franchise would still be as relevant and mainstream as JJK or CSM.
I feel like you really miss the point that a lot of people complaining about power creep in Boruto didn't like it any better the way Shippuden started taking off like a rocket until it hit chakra gods, and then add on that going on to add things on top of that is just absurd, when the Naruto MCs had literally reached once in 1,000+ years power levels. Two wrongs don't make a right, especially when that wrong is doubling down on the power creep that takes your world from unique to something that might as well be generic superheroes and villains, squandering the world that pulled in the base audience of the IP.
It doesn't matter if the OP thing is big or small, the scale of power you're dealing with is so through the roof its absurd to breaking any reasonable suspension of disbelief and starts rendering your IP into Cosplaying DBZ or just old Superheroes vs Supervillains where nothing mattered but rule of cool.
Also yes letting power levels reset where its not the direct children, but their grandchildren where the original series characters are the idols or feared villains they look up to is perfectly fine, since that way you're not saddled with the baggage of people would rather watch what the OC cast is up to.
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The fact that you keep having to put Kaguya's clan as a bench mark pretty much shows that yes the Naruto world has power creeped to hell since the Pain Arc (which was pushing what was healthy for good story telling even then), where a single person destroying a village was a major feat, to power of the 10 Tails is casually thrown around, who could destroy the planet.
That the guy trying to say power creep doesn't exist had to add 2 whole new tiers to the power system, when the tier above Kage was already I solo ninja armies, further shows the opposite point.
Power Creep isn't disproved by there were limited examples of a tier of power, it includes when the tier of power that was once peak and rare keeps growing.
The final also cements that the answer is yes there is power creep when your going from destroy the planet level threat to destroy solar systems worth of planets level threats.
Question can an ninja reanimate an control a Kagyua level threat
Well Hashirama wasn’t fully controllable so possibly no. But since Orochimaru has had 15 years to experiment freely under Naruto’s lax surveillance it would not surprise me if he suddenly summoned Edo Kaguya or whatever. Assuming Otsutsuki souls go somewhere where they can be retrieved
Naruto Main threats- Tailed beasts, akatsuki, madara, Last second Kaguya
Boruto Main threats- Gods
"Not nearly as bad as Dragon Ball." He says...
Right...
Ngl this is exactly the same as Dragon Ball right down to the part where the advent of the second generation experiences little to no new credible threats that don't involve planet conquering aliens.
Edit: Or a scientist using their data to artificially create them.
The villains get 10 times stronger every arc in Dragon Ball
It's been 2 years multiple arcs in Boruto and Isshiki is still the peak of the verse
@@PrimalIncentiveI'm more concerned with the impact and pacing the power creep had on the story rather than raw numbers.
And technically Shibai is the peak of the verse. We're just dealing with the build up to it still.
Naruto brought peace to the Shinobi world. Undoing that would make all the themes and sacrifices from the 500 chapters of Naruto irrelevant. Despite the very big flaws that the anime has, it's done a great job bringing earthly threats for Boruto and the rest to deal with between Otsutsuki dilemmas in the monthly manga.
I largely agree. My only point of quibbling is the idea that the universe's progression is "no where near Dragon Ball" is incredibly uncharitable and unrealistic when it has resulted in many of the same story beats.
even still using 11:00 anything after kaguya and the part right before kaguya was introduced as a defense for power creep in bourto isnt that good. Its pretty heavily agree'd upon infact no arguement at all that naruto got bad specifically with kaguya so yknow you saying" well actually the powercreep which made it bad started during the novels" when everyone already agrees the bad power creep started way before that is kinda pointless.
I try to watch these videos but it’s just a bunch of gum flapping going on
Power creeping is usually more used in video games, it's basically when new content us added that make the old one useless and weak in comparison and is usually made just to hype up the new stuff and make it not being overshadowed by the old one
I think the issue lies in how kishi originally decided to show power increase. By having bigger and badder forms and jutsu it cemented in us that in order to be at the highest tier of power in this universe you need to have something either big or bad. Now he's scaled it back to "these hands" in a very short amount of time it doesn't sit right with people. To me the shinjuu feel like we're going backwards. The ten tails hasn't been a relevant threat since we found out that they are just chakra snacks for the otsusuki yet now just because it has a brain it's somehow stronger than a high ranked otsutsuki like iishiki is pretty silly to me. Feels like kishi is struggling with boruto tbh
Honestly have to say that I genuinely agree with Nick's overall conclusion.
Really, the power rise is at least explained in a way.
Granted it still is a power creep but it at least has some meaning behind it. Like Boruto having been hunted down by everyone alive, plus code and having to learn everything from Kashin Koji and Sasuke.
I like staring at Nicks toys in the back ground, that kakashi toy brought up a question in my head, who was Kakashi's shadow kage again?
To be fair, I don't think kawaki is Ishiki level at least, not yet.
I don't think he's strong enough to beat damon.. let alone be Ishiki level..
Maybe it happens in Karma 2 (horns + tattoos all over his body). Also, I don't think the regular Shinju are as strong as boruto.
I think each Shinju is code level except Jura, who could be as strong as boruto and Ishiki.
Power creep is a completely realistic and common sense concept. Technology and weapons devolop exponentially in the real world, so why wouldn’t they in an abnormally long running franchise that’s literally now got Advancement as one of its core themes ? The fights have tended to be contained into taijutsu in any case
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Could Itachi learned hundred healings
And if he could, could he take Sasuke MS and get the EMS?
And can an EMS and a another EMS mix?
The story of Naruto/Boruto started falling apart with power creep around the pain ark.
Also an important part of power creep is unexplained or unearned power increases. Boruto likes to use genetics as a reason for characters getting 10x stronger in a year of time.
I honestly don't think that Naruto had much power creep until the final battle really takes off... maybe the sharingan, as that just kept adding on abilities 🤔 outside of that, characters power came from what jutsu and other tricks they used. In Boruto it feels much closer to how Dragon Ball does their new villains, it's always just about hitting harder, not about interesting abilities or skills 🤷♀️ almost everyone just absorbing ninjutsu is kinda boring and feels like low effort on the writers part. "What abilities are we going to give this new badguy to make him/her an interesting threat?" "Just make them immune to the good guys special abilities and have them punch really hard" 😞 a big part of what made the fights in Naruto interesting, at least to me, was how they figured out weaknesses and other ways to deal with enemies. Only time I can really think of in Boruto that fits, is in the fight with Ao, when they trick him into using the "lightsaber" 🤔
This just balls down to if you a person who always wants the same old stuff or something new that expands horizons.
You can correct me if I'm wrong but, Yashahime had a manga. Not many chapters but it had one, but basically 90% of it was retconed. I say 90% because of Towa.
Ok in OPM it make sense. That's the whole point. Because Saitama is the peak, the roof. A Roof exist, and people are getting closer and closer to him.
But it doesn't make sense in basically any other premise.
Power creep happens in everything unfortunately but I never mind it as long as the story makes sense with it boruto and Naruto kinda just started throwing crazy upward scaling from the war arc and further
The Ten tails is a lot smaller than the one during the War Arc. Since it's already established that earth has the strongest chakra fruit due to Shibai, it doesn't make sense for the claw grimes copies to be this powerful from the start. They literally dwarf Isshiki who was strong enough to subdue the same Ten Tails to begin with.
I disagree with the idea that having planetary-level characters in the setting would necessitate the new MCs becoming similarly overpowered. That's a result of the direction they decided on, not the circumstances around them. The plot of Boruto never had to be about destroying infinitely stronger and stronger gauntlets of enemies, they could have made the sequel series more about the psychology involved in a setting like this putting so much pressure onto one's power as birthright or test results determining their future prospects. It could have been a enemy of the week gag manga with loose serialisation. It could have even been the new characters just showing different ways to try to approach the legacy of their parents as their parents decide to largely retire and set down their blades, with future Otsutsuki staying around the level of Kaguya and a bit higher and the adults staying around their war power level (without outside boosts like 6th path sage), meaning even a single new Otsutsuki showing up would be a MASSIVE, world-shaking threat.
The issue in this story is self imposed. There were infinite ways to take the story that didn't rely on making the new characters dozens of times stronger than any character im history before they're even full grown adults. The original series had a similar and obvious issue with power creep, but it has a few characters that at least tried to ground the progression. Honestly, characters like Naruto weren't power crept beyond the power we'd believe possible until the war arc. Before then, we had already been seeing other obsurdly powerful characters that showed us where the power ceiling in the world was around. In the lead up to the war, he suddenly smashes through every power ceiling the series had to that point to catch up to the villain that was repeatedly breaking the presumed ceiling every few chapters. The reason that it IS a serious issue during the war and then even moreso during Boruto, the CEILING is getting shattered every step of the way, meaning we have nothing to ground the power to and no reason to assume that any powerlevel is ever off limits anymore. Will Boruto be able to destroy the universe with an errant thought by the end of the series? We can't know, there's no reason it couldn't get there.
That is a problem for a series that wants conflict to ever feel understandable, and if ANY character wants to be relevant to the plot, they have to gain more power in a few years than Naruto managed in his entire life (a character who was naturally gifted multiple boosts that others will never have, such as being the reincarnation of a demigod, having at least 25% of the chakra of the ten tails in his pocket, and the insane base chakra pool he inherited). Any character coming out to surpass all of that in much less time is just... unreasonable. An author can make it happen, but after watching one of the most gifted humans in history take so many years, it's not reasonable from OUR perspective even if it's technically possible.
Age nerfs etc. Lost an arm and six paths sage chakra. Gets the scaled back lower then hashirama. Then a sacrifice like every hokage does and you have a reset. Then have sasuke get captured and get saved y boruto. Still uses 1 main character that never got a lot of screen time. So easy you underestimate manga
This might be a hot take but i dont see a problem with the current kage being able to work together to take down kinshiki as naruto even in kcm1 was considered relative and stronger than the kage like ai and tsunade and the current kage where all taught by the past kage while having 10+ years with naruto to prepare for otsusiki level threats
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Power creep doesn’t bother me at all because I don’t see it as a problem. I didn’t even know the term existed and that it was a problem to so many people. I thought it was completely normal for characters to get stronger in order to beat the new villain. That’s kinda how it goes with every story right? Good guy beats villain, new villain appears stronger than the last and good guy has to get stronger to beat the new villain. I mean doesn’t dragon ball do that? Demon slayer? I thought that’s just how it worked but I guess people complain about everything.
Why did no one complain at the beginning of shippuden when sasuke was able to solo yamato sakura and naruto with one jutsu in seconds.. oh they were.. they complained about how naruto got almost nothing.. well they gave boruto some exciting shit.. and now we have to let the rest of the cast power up
Exactly, mfs now adays want the story to built up and complete in 1 chapter 💀
Basically exactly what happening rn. Just the inverse. Boruto is the new sasuke. Kawaki is naruto.
I problem with “power creep” is people having this thought that daemon/boruto is #1 which isn’t gonna be the case when we see the shinju fight. Bug already bypass edia shinjutsu so daemon isn’t safe he has knowledge on how to counter his hax when talking to code pre ts, and bug could just rely on his instincts instead of killing intentions to eat daemon because he’s not human. Jura casually 1tap kawaki holding back not trying to kill, so boruto is obviously not able to do the same to kawaki using brute force, which is a clear sign to me boruto/kawaki will have to team up vs him. Next chapter will set up jura to kidnap hima so boruto/kawaki wiil have a reason to naturally team up to save their sister. If boruto/daemon solo their opponents by themselves this 1st would be hella anticlimactic, everyone will feeling like it’s a fanfic series instead of a manga with consequences.
The problem with 'power creep' is many fans were insistent that x character beats y via blitz during the pre-boruto era when in reality its a much closer fight, however with shikamaru able to react to the levels of characters he has shown to in boruto as well as other kage shown in this video, those people will need to either revisit those ideas of blitzing or blame power creep. So they blame and complain about power creep.
I think a big part of it is: When Naruto had his timeskip, he was still weaker than characters like Hashirama, Madara, Jiraiya, Probably Kakashi. Then the Pain arc, He passed Kakashi, possibly still weaker than Jiraiya, Hashirama. There were characters stronger than him (Not just antagonists) at the end of Shippuden, Naruto and Sasuke became the strongest characters. but now with Boruto's jump, he's not only become the strongest non-antagonist, he's left Naruto and Sasuke in the dust, and this is his equivalent to Naruto at the start of Shippuden. it's how just at the start of two blue vortex, he's already the strongest non-antagonist.
I still find it weird and low key stupid that the juvenile tentails made a character like moegi so stromg when madara got stronger than a fully grown tentails( although only at 75%) when he became jubidara
I don't know who wasn't accusing Naruto of power creeps when everyone I knew complained about that especially me. That was the worse part of Shippuden because Naruto specifically during the war arc.
I don’t have any problem whatsoever with power creep. It’s just something that has to happen. Just like plot armor. Maybe it isn’t always fun, but if you don’t have it, you have no story. We can’t just have weaker villains than the previous villains. That’s not fun.
The Boruto Kage are Otsutsuki level. They would all clap Juibidara individually and put up a decent fight against Kaguya. If they can’t, they wouldn’t be strong enough to fight Momoshiki and Kinshiki. Momoshiki was running away from Darui. Momoshiki is a guy that looks down on humans and calls them “inferior creatures”. Do you really think a guy like that would run away? He wouldn’t unless he had to. Kinshiki was keeping up with Sasuke, yet Chojiro was able to restrain him and Kurotsuchi is able to punch him through the god tree. And even when Momoshiki became Fused Momoshiki, Gaara was able to keep up and even hold him back for a few seconds. And even though he knocked out the 4 Kage, they still survived. They only got knocked out for a few minutes and showed no lasting damage.
You may say Momoshiki is weaker than Kaguya but he’s not. Fused Momoshiki could pressure Naruto and Sasuke at the same time. Adult Naruto and Sasuke are individually stronger than Kaguya. You may say that Naruto lost 50% chakra and Sasuke used space-time ninjutsu so they didn’t have 100% chakra. But that doesn’t make them weaker.
The Naruto fandom seems to be under the impression that the amount of chakra you have equals power but that doesn’t make any sense. That’s like saying if your car only has 50% gas, it can only go 50% as fast. Doesn’t make any sense. Naruto with 50% chakra is as powerful as Naruto with 100% chakra. It’s just that the Naruto with 50% chakra is going to run out of chakra first. Naruto in part one had way more chakra than characters he lost to. So chakra level ≠ strength. It helps to have more, but it doesn’t automatically make you stronger.
You may say it doesn’t make sense that they’re this strong. It kinda does. A big theme in Naruto is that hardwork > talent/gifts and that theme has continued into Boruto. The Otsutsuki steal power and that power makes them strong, strong enough to beat most shinobi, but they can still get beaten with hard work. For all intents and purposes, Nauro and Sasuke should not be as strong as Momoshiki or Kaguya or any Otsutsuki really. Because those Otsutsuki ate the chakra fruit of at least one probably multiple planets. So how do they have enough power to beat them? Training. Even though gifts get you far, training will get you farther. It’s how Naruto and Sasuke and the Kage can beat Otsutsuki and it’s how Boruto beat Code. Even though you think the new Kage are weaker than the old Kage, they aren’t. They have less gifts like how Kurotsuchi doesn’t have partical style, but that doesn’t mean she’s weaker than Ohnoki. She’s stronger. It’s been established in Bourto that bigger doesn’t mean better, that also means gifts aren’t always better than hard work. Boruto didn’t even use his Karma to beat Code, he used his training. It’s how Sarada will most likely become stronger than Sasuke and it’s how Mitsuki will become stronger than Orochimaru. You may not like it but it’s what will happen. At least I hope so. I’d rather not have Hagoromo or Indra or somebody come down and give Sarada more power.
Yup, Power Creep is killing it, killed DB
People who usually care about power creeps are the ones who engage in battleboarding and most likely hate it because it beats their favorite. You don't see anyone complaining aboht power crepting in Bleach for a reason.
This is honestly a great way to categorize everything
Gurren Lagann's power creep was the plot lol
And Gurren Lagann had MANY timeskips to make it feel more normal
My issue with power creep in boruto is that it really doesn’t even need to exist
A good story, following boruto and his team, as kids then young teens, doing ninja shit is all we really wanted. Sasuke training Boruto and Naruto training Sarada, let the grown ups deal with big flashy fights, while our MC’s fight against the missions and the exams a young ninja needed to do.
Then if you really really really need to make boruto the strongest in the verse, have it happen naturally like it did with Naruto, let him take the torch and stand on business against a villain that you could have set up during the entire story
We didn’t need all this exes bs that just over complicates the story
Okay, question- since Kishimoto wanted to move away from "giant chakra mechs" (which I fully understand), how is he going to work around Saradas Susanoo? Is it going to be no Susanoo at all? Imperfect one? Or maybe Sarada will be the first to actually make a body-sized armor out of her Susanoo and not have to steer a giant chakra mech? So many questions and all we can do is wait for this to unravel 😢