@BaneOfPhillipBurnell Wrong. You can go through your entire military career without going to war and still be a veteran when you get out. If you're a veteran of a war of any sort you put the name of the war before "veteran". That's why we call WW2 veterans, WW2 veterans and Vietnam war veterans, Vietnam war veterans...
@BaneOfPhillipBurnell Everyone who has ever served in the armed forces with an honourable discharge are legally veterans. But to respect the ones who have actually been in war they just call themselves ex-soldiers.
I am a Korean and my military service starts tomorrow. Wish me luck! Edit: my military service ended without any trouble. Thank you all for your support.
@@juanchoresultay2704 Voluntarily is the operative word. The men get no choice. How about we reverse it for a decade or two? Women join or go to jail but men get a choice. Does that sound fair?
@@billburr5881 Of course not but I never said we force women aswell to join because they have right whether to enter or not enter that field its not just one gender (I’m not a radical feminist) . Also how is you’re question related what I said? Did I ever say we should manadtorize women aswell and reverse the roles? I was only stating an observation there could be a few women who volunteered in the army and also maybe become veterans because their government allows women to join voluntarily (I’m not a feminist) just stating a fact they could volunteer not force or mandatorize like the men . I was not implying they should reverse the roles and of course that would be unfair . It would be unfair if women were not allowed to join the army at all cause there are some women who are brave to fight just like men . Anyone with limited and unfair roles is not good because they need to prosper and work together to achieve success and its not just only one gender in a specific role who can do the job they will new brains and character to help the ones who are have limited mindsets
@@billburr5881 If its that other way around nothing will change for good which is wrong but it does not mean it would just be men who will only do that role but also women aswell who are willing to fight and work together as one and not in a divided way . Both genders that are smart and have good characters not stupidity in the character and thinking’s
AwesomeMax217 People say this so much, I don’t think there is anyone who doesn’t know at this point. Most of us were aware 20 years ago, but now teenagers on the internet feel the need to shove it down your throat. “AKSHULLY THERE WAS NEVER A PEACE TREATY”
@@fuegofootball758 same for me hell...my gas mask was to big and had a bulge in it...when they pop the tablets...the first min was a moment of terror...than i quickly realize that shis couldnt really hurt me ....when we finally came out i realize that.my eyes where.blood shot red and snot was running out of my nose....not to.mention my face was burning...all in all it wasnt so
I am a man who finished military service in Korea. I am a fourth year in reserve and when I was active, I was a soldier in charge of administrative affairs in the unit, and the task was the operation of our division. While serving as a soldier for 21 months in the military, there were many difficulties and hardships, but there were many pleasant and happy memories. In particular, I still can't forget the performance of the military band and the cheers of the juniors who welcome our company when they return to the barracks after marching in the training center. At this moment, I would like to express my gratitude once again to the Korean Armed Forces Soldier who protects my country by dedicating his youth throughout Korea.
How much time do u guys get now for using phone? And whats the time of sleeping and waking up?and others like meals,bath etc! I will be very very gratefull to you if u tell me those in small details...Please... 💜
I remember my first weekend in Korea. I’m an American, walking around, admiring all the sights, sounds, and scenery. This elderly man walks up to me, thanked me for my service and welcomed me to Korea. He told me all these stories about his time in the military, all the beautiful places to visit, and really admired Americans in the military for their commitment. In America, you get that sort of treatment when others know you’re military, but you really have to stick out. I obviously stick out, being i was an American, in Korea. But as I sat and talked with him, the more I learned about their history, and just how much their military and security matters to them. They have to be strong because they have no choice. We have the luxury of having a voluntary service. They do not. And while they may not like their mandatory service, I know deep down they understand the rationale for it. And I think it’s just as respectable.
I'm korean, and I'd like to thank you for your service, and US' friendship with my country. I've had an opportunity to do joint training mission with the american forces during my service, and you guys were amazing during training mission, but so cool and down to earth during down time. We exchanged MRE and smoked cigarette together after the mission. Huge respect for who you are, and what you do. Love from south korea.
Imagine being a guy selling street food and seeing a 4-5 million army of trained soldiers who serve much much longer than in the South Korea, invading your country. You'll shit yourself instantly. Rambos exist only im movies
More like S.korean man : I served my country. Korean politians,women : So what? I'm not gonna praise you cause everyone doing the same thing. So shut up. You're not special. I'm not making this up. Young korean men are victim of society.
95% of comments: complaining about people complaining about kpop stars having to enlist 5% of comments: people complaining about kpop stars having to enlist
I think I didn't make my point clear: Normally, around the world, only man does the mandatory military service. And wlgjs678, pointed out: " It's not mandatory for you if you are a woman ". But I answered, " You won't said that, if the woman is from Israel ", which means, Israel is the only country in the world that women have military "mandatory" service. And yes BG, you made it clear, women makes shorter time than man, in Israel. Something else, since Israel had so many war with their so called "brother" Ismael descendants or muslim religion, in case of another future war, to my understanding, Israel's military can call up conscripts of 500,000 people in 24 hours and 1 million in 72 hours.
Not all of the training is as intense as this. There are different types of training in military service. You can choose which type you want. If you want the intense, marine level training, you can do that. You can also just do public service, like a police officer.
jonginsbih nope. Unless you receive D point (lvl 4) at your physical test, you need to be in service. Lvl 1-3 requires military service. Lvl 4 is required for public service. Lvl 5. No service required. To receive lvl 4 or 5. You need to have life time injury or disease or needs to be disabled.
Military training hasn't done a whole lot of impact on singers any ways. It's about their ability (which is their voice). So singers and actors are the least affected by it, sometimes they get even more famous. However athletes on the other hand essentially get ruined post military service. They build muscles where it's not needed and lose skills along the way. Hence, many athletes consider military service the end cap of their sports career.
I am also a Korean guy who is currently serving for the Korean military. ( i am in the air force) I respect the guy in the video because he was in the military in an isolated society Nowadays, we can use phones in a certain period of time and we are going to use phone for 24 hours in less than a week. My military discharge: 234 days left
your name is junghwan and you currently serves in the air force and there is also junghwan from Reply 1988 drama that also serves in the air force HAHAHAHA, don't mind me it's just cool coincidence. good luck serving your country junghwan-ssi, respect!!!
Yeah, except this isn't brainwashing as much as it is eye-opening and fact stating from the officials of his nation to the danger and threat posed by their neighbor.
Growing up with stories from my parents, grandparents (from SK to NK who escaped) and their parents, they’re all under the consensus that the current youth doesnt understand the danger posed by NK.
It's ok, I mean yes, you won't have anyone to coddle you, beatings will be regular but in the end you'll realize its not done on a personal level (unless you are 고문관) it's to beat everyone into shit, it strips you of your ego, identity and hubris. It is to reset everyone at the lowest and build them up together. Would I do my 2 years again? No, but do I regret my training there? No. It made me what I am today and will fill you with confidence. You can do it.
@Nari1102 in Russia we have this kind of mandatory military service but for one year. Regardless, I think they take my life and time away from me and other young people. Additionally, they have nothing to give us instead of the stolen freedom. No one young man treating themselves with respect and not relating their life with the military should get through this. In my case, I postponed the service for 6 months in December. Now I'm studying to evade the army and go abroad, living far from Russia till I turn 27 years old. It's such a blessing to have the law which gives you the right to choose your faith.
I feel like that's one of the bigger problems with the US. The military Enjoys a larger than life folk hero status, that leads to them never being questioned, and any attempt to reign in their excesses is seen as unpatriotic. There's just such a large disconnect between the US military and the citizens it serves.
In singapore, a large number of the piblic dislikes the boys serving their national service even though its mandatory.especially when we are taking the subway or any other form of public transport, the public will give dirty looks to us as if we are “dirty”. we can’t even take a seat on the subway as people might take pictures of us to criticise us online
I think so im korean i think that korea soldiers are my hero but many people in korea think it is natural. Also Korean soldiers arent treated well. The matters have to be changed. Also Amarican soldiers treated very well so there are many soldiers in america....
@@achaemenid To be precise, he was given industrial personnel instead of military servive, but it was found out that he didn't serve properly doing concerts and shows from time to time, so he had to serve avtive duty from the start again, meaning he got training twice
I was stationed in Korea in the 80's Camp Hovey 1st 38th Infantry, we trained with the Korean Army, they are well trained, tough soldiers, I have utmost respect for the ROK Army.
My dad also went through his military service, although his bad eyesight made him become the manager of a golf club owned by the military instead of an actual soldier XD
My bad hearing (mikrotia, one ear is deaf, and served in the FDF) made me in to a scribe? (There's no real translation) And I missed most of the worst training and carrying a 12 kg pkm in the forest for like 8h a day :D They were missing one bmp-2 mechanic and that is where I ended up in the end, laying down on a table and drinking coffee in a prototype maintenance container while watching youtube for 80% of military camp time :D:D Tho doing repairs in the field was quite a chore, and any bmp mechanic can probably agree.
@@NeostormXLMAX you don't do it for the government nor the people. You do not expect something in return. You do shit for the unconditional love for the country and flag and for the people that have fought their lives for the country.
During the LA riots, the Rooftop Koreans became famous for defending their stores from looters. Because of mandatory military service, pretty much every first generation Korean American male in the community was familiar with guns.
@@capmidnite Maybe the Japanese should have struck Pearl Harbou, then the ones in the US wouldn't have been interned in camps. Maybe Ukrainian families should not border Russia, then they would have some heating, HAHAHA.
Starting to see why a lot of Korean Students get into gun culture when they come into the U.S. I took a few of them to a private range, expecting them to have never shot a weapon before. All of them brought suppressed AR’s and mp5 clones...
one some true. Very true. There are numerous tank units in the korean army. Most of the soldiers learn something. Plain foot soldiers seem to be less much.
Having served in the Korean Army for 2 years as well, I can not say military life was fun for me. Like Gene says in the video, the "forcefullness" makes you miserable in the Army. One time I got bullied because I didn't wring the floor-cloth properly. They fucking had certain way to wring the god damn floor-cloth !! (걸레 짜기...) WTF?? 2 years eventually passed, I was grateful that I served the Army. There were some important life lessons that I had learned such as appreciating family/friends, tolerance, patience, etc. But would yo go back to do 2 years more? NO WAY!!!
As I stated previously, the military is an authorized violence group in the country. One out of 100 Koreans is in the military. In a group of 600,000 people, as I agree with you, various & many incidents and accidents could occur. However, the frequency is very low compared to the general society. Now days, a mental desertion or a single sexual misconduct becomes a social issue via all sorts of social media. If the same thing happens in society, it would be buried in the sand. What you described in this reply, I believe, not all abuses you may experience in the military because ROK military has a well constructed report & appeal system. It doesn’t imply we shouldn’t improve the military abuse prevention system. But even the USFK, which is a developed country, has a higher crime rate than ROK military’. If that so, it's not grateful to downgrade and denigrate the military whose royalty to the nation and their honor of protecting the people. Thus, I would like to recall one phrase of the scripts from the “Descendent of the Sun”. “A military uniform is a shroud. When we die for our nation in the nameless front-lines, those sites become our graves and our uniforms turns out our shrouds. We should wear the military uniforms with that determination. Once we do, be honorable at every moment. There is no reason why we shouldn’t be.”
Thanks Gene. I appreciate the video. I had several Korean students who talked about the 2 years of training in the SK military but I only had vague conceptions of it. This video gives me a good understanding of what that 2 years entailed. I remember my students saying how much they dreaded that 2 years but how the experience turned them into a man.
All the more respect to super famous ppl like BTS for insisting on completing their military service, even though they probably could have gotten exemption due to their music achievements and cultural/financial contributions to their country. Kpop idols are also known to get more harassment and a harder time in the military, as well as invasion of privacy instances (ie. photos taken of them for blackmail or sell to the press). So I'm sure they were dreading it too, but said it was their honor to serve their country.
Just finished my year tour at Kunsan AB. Worked with a lot of ROKAF members. Lemme tell you..they definitely have it rough for those two years. It was really fun talking to them though and hearing their thoughts. Mad respect for their culture and current society.
Brown people always so jealous of East Asian success & superiority in all aspects throughout history and still to this day. Maybe you guys are always the first & quickest to criticize East Asians because of the Mughal (i.e., "Mongol" Dynasty) of India which was founded by Mongoloids? The Taj Mahal that so many Indians are so proud of was actually built by the Mongol Mughals. And now China has been a superpower for at least a decade; China is already the second largest economy in the world while India's economy is not even as big as France's lmao! However, India is second place in the world when it comes to highest murder rate. China builds the world's first quantum communications satellite while India is still 3rd world.
bhai mere pagl hai kya teens in India bts bts, cant u see the difference they don't want to join military and here in India there are many people who will be more than happy to serve in the military if its mandatory ( no joke but guys like one in the video are the ones to surrender first and South Korea alone will never be able to defeat North Korea ). I am 16 and Ill be more than happy to join the mandatory military service in India if we had any.
Singapore also has mandatory military service for male citizens. If you have this sort of program in the US the people would go nuts about rights I reckon.
The US does have a similar sort of program. Its called Selective Service (aka the Draft). All male citizens have to sign up at 18. The US military gets its soldiers from volunteers right now, but if the US were ever to go to war, it can activate the Selective Service and it forces men to join the military. The last time this was done was in the Vietnam war and it did cause a lot of people to go nuts. Men refused to sign up and got thrown in prison. There was a big controversy last year over whether women should be forced to sign up for Selective Service too, but it didn't happen. Women can volunteer, but can't be forced in a time of war.
Jonathan Williams "Was"? The draft is still around, it's just not being implemented right now. When WWIII starts, it will once again be bad luck to be in the military.
Siew Qing Wang the US DID have this but because our numbers are so large we have no reason for a draft Although we have selective services meaning all men have to sign up for the draft with they turn 16 or 18 I forget
My husband is going to join military within few months. After watching this video,now I'm really worried for him.Almighty please protect my husband so he can make his things work!
My grandpa fought for South Korea in the Korean War, he passed away almost two weeks ago from his third bout with cancer. He had a rough last couple years, it was sad to see him go out like this, he liked to take trips fishing. RIP Grandpa. 1932-2017
thegreatcalvinio As one of ordinary South Korean youngman & reserve forces in ROK (Republic Of Korea) army, Please accept my condloences. And Thanks for your grandfather's great every effort to get freedom back to Korea. Although I'm not in Korea war generation, but I know how was great sacrifices by my grandparents, education and experiences in military. Dear your grand father. maybe you were in Korea, some time 1950 - 1953. Yesterday, 6th June, was Memorial day In Korea. Please know that you are in koreans thoughts and prayers. Thank you sir. - One in twenty Korean
Hey I'm not Korean (American), but your Grandpa fought in the most pivotal war in the history of your country where losing would sentence you guys to hundreds of years of slavery, he fought for your freedom. And he will be honored for that "There is good in this world, and it's worth fighting for" - JRR Tolkien
There was something I felt after I served military in Korea. It does not admit my hardship to anyone. And I wasted my youth two years. After the discharge, I had nothing left but physical and mental dormancy and a reserve force training notice.
At least you saved your country and your not born in North Korea or it would be 10 years in worse conditions. North wants to take over South Korea to strip it off all freedoms under Kim Jong Un. You were part of the protection against those that want to destroy the peace on the peninsula.
Yea. South Korea is a small country in mass and population compared the surrounding countries....South Korea just wants to have peace and to not be invaded again.
Basically my time during basic in the US Army. Only reason why this guy complains that it sucks all the time is because there’s no will or motivation to be in the military. Drafts and mandatory service does make the military a living hell and you don’t get the full experience as a volunteer.
Also soldiers are at the bottom of the barrel of society in Confucian culture lol... they don't provide anything economically. Just consume resources, or sometimes take over the government.
Conscription military doesn't really suck so much in my country. A volunteer based military just wouldn't be sufficient to counter our threat so it's not even an option.
When I went through the gas chamber they told us not to touch our junk when we got out. I had to pee so bad that I ran to the tree line and did exactly that. The drill sergeants pointed at me while I was rolling on the ground screaming and said “see privates, this is what happens when you’re a dumbass”. It was a pretty good time. I seriously miss it. Wish I could go back in time.
Exactly. Just cos idols are famous doesnt mean they should get to avoid service. My ult is shinee and Jinki, Kibum and Minho are all serving right now but they're just following the law of their country so i dont understand the people that go on about how its unfair. If anything it would be unfair if idols were exempt.
There’s people who is learning English and is trying to improve their listening and understanding, that’s why they put subtitles. You don’t need to think THAT much to understand the reason.
I was in the US Marine Corps for 5 years. We had to train in the gas chamber every year. I feel your pain! I am honored I got to serve my country. Thanks for sharing!
Because nearly every man is well trained, some people say that you can make a entire batallion immediately with people on a metro car in here South Korea. Mandatory service sucks for sure but it has its own advantages I guess
@@sgtmayhem7567 ha, we dont know that. the government doesnt recognize nk as a threat. they've been sending resources worth over millions over the border. they literally wrote out the part in the defense white paper where it stated that nk is our enemy. late teenage boys and young adult males are stripped from their freedom and are forced into the military which treats them like shit, they dont even get payed 1/4 of the minimum wage. everyone i know have been abused and mistreated during service. conscription is obv a violation of human rights and sk barely compensates for this 'sacred duty' as they like to call it. if s koreans were given a choice not to go to the military (without any punishment/societal repercussion by choosing so) almost everyone would choose not to serve.
I served in Korea in 1968. Sometimes called the second Korean War and I can tell you that the North has indeed numerous times invaded the South. These were relatively small incursions but we had to be constantly on alert. Walter Bonnesteel was the commander of UN forces in Korea and made sure that Korean troops were responsible for Korea's defense. I give him a lot of credit for giving Korean troops the confidence to do the job. ROK troops were among the best fighting men I ever encountered anywhere. Read about the Tiger Division in Vietnam. You have a lot to be proud of.
Thats called CS gas, bro. They did it the same for us, too. Burning a couple tablets on hotplates. My fire team partner was so excited to take his stuffy gas mask off that he instinctively took a deep breath when the gas was filling up the room. It was pretty hilarious, actually.
@@devinjohnson4480 Yeah it's actually fun. Putting on the full rig in a hurry, doing some exercises in the room. And if you're lucky like me, you'll get to do it in 40 degree, humid weather!
@@devinjohnson4480 The weather part was definitely sarcasm, but trust me you will develop a sarcastic sense of humour yourself after they put you through basic.
Korean men also have to stay in shape for military until they're 30. Even after they finish their 2 years of mandatory service, Korean men have to go to regular physical training days.
Why not just let North Korea invade ? Bro , you have no idea how things go in North Korea For starters , the amount of food you consume is controlled by the government ( that’s right , you are not allowed to eat more than a specific amount of food as North Korea economy is running low for years now ) Then there’s NO entertainment at all ! That’s right , no Hollywood , no music , no dramas , no internet , the only shows available are North Korean shows which teach military propaganda The clothes you can buy is limited too Even hairstyles are limited , there are only around 6 hair styles which men and women can have , if anyone has a different hairstyle, they are arrested Also , if by any chance you get caught doing something even slightly illegal , you are sent to labour camps ( even children are sent there ) where you have to do hard core labour for months with around 2 bowls of rice a day This is only the tip of the ice berg my friend , watch some educational videos on UA-cam to know how bad things are on that side of the border
@@shukrantpatil It's not that bad compared to South Koreean military service. I mean, it's as if I would ask you what you prefer between being slapped 5 times vs. having your head shaved. What you described over there is not different from what my parents lived for 30 years when my country was communist. I have acces to internet and I don't need Hollywood, or your stupid dramas, or eating continuosly until I get obese or get cancer, I prefer not to be shot at on the streets as you might be in the USA or school being about who has the richest parents. You can stay in your country with your heroin epidemic, with crazy, iliterate morons attacking you in trafic or killing your family members because they drive while reading facebook posts. After all, each country has its own poisons, none is perfect.
I AM NOW WORRIED FOR MY BOYZ istg this is gonna be hard for them, really hard but hopefully they'll get through this they are bulletproof and we are their armies we will have to support them throughout this journey good luck bangtan :) see you guys in 2025
Mojack actually, professional gamers, celebrities, etc delay their service time so they can focus on their career while it lasts.. since it’s hard to succeed as progamer or celebrity as you get older. You can postpone your service until the age of 30 if you have valid reasons, but you must go before 30. Korea is good in esports because of fast internet. Also traditionally pc online games were popular compared to console games.
@@wondo94 not the koreans only, all asians are like this. I have some competition experience against asian players from japan and china. They are biologicly better at this, like black people better at running, they are better in esports and everything that recuirse good and fast brain work. They learn faster to do things better than everyone else, they have a strong teamplay and discipline in thier blood, they work as a whole thing. Even if the players in the team are not skilled enough, they are frcking hard to defeat. That's pretty much everything why asians are good at videogames. Meh, they are better at everything, i guess, except physical strength.
I also wouldn't like to be forced to go through this mandatory training but I think serving in a military and learning all the self-defence, extraordinary and amazing stuff is really cool, you learn a lot and are prepared for danger and have knowledge about and know a lot more on how to deal with those kind of situations than any common person who hasn't gone through such trainings and preparations. I know it can be forceful, is very tough and hard, you don't have any freedom and this isn't any secret just want to say that in the end it all pays off. I think you should appreciate all the training and preparation you went through.
err... no. It doesn't pay off. Two years of nonstop bs and being treated like shit while making less than $400 a month is something nobody is willing to do.
You don't learn shit in the Korean military. Everybody just stalls out for their time to end and nobody is motivated to actually be productive for the military since there is nothing to gain other than disappointment and injuries.
It’s just so depressing to think that they’re forced to give up 2 years of their youth for this isolation. I think a lot of international people clued in on this with recent idols being snatched up there too
Getting hollered at on day 1? Being known as a recruit instead of a Private? Forced into a gas chamber? Told to do everything with speed and intensity? Korean military or United States Marine Corps? Oohrah
don't know why kpop fans are so concerned. They shouldn't because it's not like they lose their talent anyways. I'm more worried for Son Heung Min in Tottenham. Athletes are much more impacted by the military than actors or singers. Singers and actors come out with a comeback, athletes just disappear.
+Aquatic Scrotum, if I remember too, if a women wants to join the military she has to go in as an Officer. In fact Korean Army will salute all females in the US and other foreign armies regardless of rank.
It's called convention. Some have already challeged the military law for violating the Constitution which says 1) every PERSON has a duty to guard our borders 2) military duty MUST NOT be a disadvantage for the bearer... but the verdict was girls at the army? pfff nah shut up. The contradiction is deep and also involves alternative services for those with health issues (of course men only.) Bonus fact: once, the men who finished serving the military were given a small-but-influential advantage when they applied for civil service jobs. Then "feminists" got the media and now(don't remember since when) absolutely nothing. 2 of your best years robbed, significant risk of injuries trauma etc which often falls on yourself.
I have heard worst stories than this while they are serving in military and i hope the Bangtan boys will not exp these worst experiences and i believe they will get through it. Intense rehearsals,no sleep and run bts challenges mould them 😅 Go our tannies. We believe in the seven of you 💜
That well said 💜 That's true ARMY😊 💜💜💜 we need to cheer 🙆♀️🙌them up they are serving their country🇰🇷 even they could easily🙅🏻♂️ reject the mandatory service 😢 Our Boys are not coward they knew they can make it through 💜
@@lifeislivinglove9073 lmao you cannot (and you should not) reject military service in South Korea, there are only conscientous objections. However, if you do so, you'll have to work in South Korea's prison system for a longer term than conscription.
I served in the Korean army for 2 years. I've served as a tank soldier, and I know how to use 5.56mm guns such as k2, k1, m16. I've been discharged as a sergeant. It was a great honor for me to defend freedom against communism in a divided country. Thank you.
@@kriegsvogel1577 who wouldnt be sad to have their future taken away from them? Hinde po lahat nang kabataan busy mag tik-tok 2x lang, some of us are answering tons of worksheets because we actually care for our future and to have that taken away from us after all the hard work that we did?? Of course magagalit ka at yung iba malulungkot.
ok let's say the number of volunteer soldiers is not enough... who's gonna come help them? are they gonna wait for the others to come to their rescue ?
"who's gonna come help them? are they gonna wait for the others to come to their rescue ?" Let's also be aware that it is 2017 and humans are much better are intelligence gathering than actually defending or attacking a mass of people.
I believe this is important for south korea. But it would be nice if the US and south korea would train together to keep a hand around the north. This might make kim jong mad, but whatever.
Sogell 2.0 That would be great. Especially if we update S.K. with some of our technology and weapons. We could form a great military with both Americas and South Koreas training.
Kory Ladd they do train with us America has 50,000 troops in the south and south korea is one of the most advanced militaries in the world north cant beat the south even without Americas help
Thank you for sharing your story about your experience in the South Korea military, especially living in a country of South Korea that it was constantly a threat by your neighbor to the North. Hope you can share more about your time in the South Korean military.
@The Man With No Name The American military presence in South Korea is negligible. Relying on the rationality of a totalitarian dictatorship is not a valid strategy, furthermore, American support will not always be a certainty.
@@Banjo-ed5vv american force is there just as a deterrent. If they attack the US forces they formally declare war against the US, not just South Korea.
Melody Park neh, you do too much running and the only resistance training you do is calisthenics. I can vouch that you lose muscles there-all your previous gains receding back into your body
You do not eat anywhere near enough to make big muscles, they do not give you enough food. Starvation training is one of the most important parts of training just as being tired all the time is, they do that on purpose for the simple fact that when there is a war a lot of soldiers will experience hunger and be tired all the time.
Koreans and Israelis face a real and present threat - Singaporeans, not so much. Training environments are totally different too - extremely unlikely that Singaporeans would train in a snow or desert environment. But yeah, 2 years of our youth given up.
@@wnose The Israelis have the Arabs, The South Koreans have North Korea. I think that soon, China would soon be Singapore's enemy should conflict ever break out in the South China Sea.
Yea, i'm a pussy who served my part and so does 1 millions reluctant male citizens in my country who gave 2 years of their life to serve the nation. Getting laid? Done that countless times dude. Keep that hate comment coming man.
Don't complain about what women are allowed to do over men. Men are allowed to do far more than women in our society in so many ways. So shut the fuck up.
Same here for Singapore. All the males aged 18 and above are required by law to go for 2 years of compulsory military service. It used to be 2 and a half years, but it was reduced during the early 2000 to 2 years. Evading military service is a criminal offence, and you could even have your citizenship revoked if you choose to escape to another country. Basic Military Training (BMT) lasts 10 weeks - unlike five in S. Korea, and yes you are treated as the lowest lifeform in the training camp, worse than the stray dogs in the army camp sometimes. After the 10 weeks, the recruits attain the rank of Private, and deployed to different battalions or units depending on their 'performance' during BMT. The elite performers get identified as potential cadets and to be trained in Officer Cadet School and graduate as officers. The second group of "intermediate" performers go through another 4 months of hell and eventually graduate as 3rd Sergeants (we call them specialists or NCOs). The huge majority end up as just "men" or regular soldiers in the different battalions. I could relate to the gas chambers, because we had to go through that as well. But what I really struggled with was the punishing obstacles course, where you have to scale a series of 7-8 obstacles while in full army gear, SBO and rifle, followed by a 1.5 km run after clearing the obstacles - and you have to meet a certain timing in order to be considered to have "PASSED"!!!
me: loads comments to read what others feel about the military service. 100% of the comment section: *omg bts need to go there god protect exo oh my god please oh no my poor babies has to go there rip omg emoji emoji emoji emoji emoji emoji emoji emoji*
@@jackie520 Armies are usually less effective in morale when you draft people, because (unsurprisingly) when you force others to go into military and go through basic training (with people screaming at you, telling you what to do, etc.) then yeah a lot of people can get pissed off. Plus, when in combat you wouldn't really trust the drafted soldier to guard your back as much as you would a regular enlistee, since the draftee would usually tend to be far more disloyal to the cause and may desert. That's the gist of it, drafting is controversial in certain nations (like the U.S.A.) although here in Russia we do get drafted lightly if you aren't a useful member of society (i.e. University student, etc.), I signed up voluntarily though.
@@депрессивныйстудент you are correct but sometimes they are even more ineffective if they don't have enough personnel. But conscripts aren't really that bad. It depends. The IDF showed that conscripts can be very effective if you do things right.
@@jackie520 Yeah there are some exceptions, as long as you do a good job getting the general public to your side then you can indeed get a lot done. But nowadays in this interconnected and individualistic world it is much harder as any kind of propaganda can easily be disproven by a Google search in many cases, even the most genuine of causes would have critics go on the Internet and reach a wide audience. However I do definitely agree with you that if done properly, drafting can get pretty good people in. Also, unrelated to what we're discussing, but whoever deleted my original comment is a censoring dick.
Korea’s military service apparently does a lot more isolation (tougher phone rules especially) which makes it tougher. Singapore’s NS usually has room for you to call your parents, bookout on weekends etc so it’s not so bad
@@StreetDrilla not really, they had fears over being invaded by Malaysia and Indonesia, despite those truce that we have. Those truce can be broken as well, that's why they maintain their military. They're smaller than both Malaysia and Indonesia.
Ok seriously guys, THIS IS SERIOUS YES BTS will have to enlist YES EXO will have to enlist YES Got7 will have to enlist YES Seventeen will have to enlist etc. But this is about Korea I'm a long time kpop fan but come on, WE WILL ALL MISS THEM STOP: Saying how bad this must be for BTS How sad it is that you'll miss you're "oppas" This is what every male citizen has to go through
@@shannon504 yes I agree. Its just really frustrating seeing so many comments only about kpop stars. And I understand that people will miss them, but they arents the only people that have to do this
They are not worried about their safety. Of course it’s conducted in a safe environment. They are worried about not seeing their idols faces for the next 2 years in the industry.
Geba oh j joined the marines for the money did I? E-1s and E-2s make less than minimum wage...I as an E-3 make about minimum wage...please don’t assume you have the slightest clue why myself or my brothers and sisters serve.
Everyone hates it while you going through it but when it is all over you gain a lot of respect for yourself and everyone who has gone through it before
In south korea, If you're in a big square and shout "Can anybody drive main battle tank or armoured vehicle?" Then at least 5 random guys will raise their hands.
Same thoughts here 😢😢 our sunshine would really have a hard time enduring all this omg as well Our WWH he’s too soft for this kind of stuffs and Taehyung he is too soft to take all this, Unlike the 4 others they are physically strong and sports active so we can rest assured that this other 4members can endure all this kind of training..
You think others aren't scared of anything? Stop making the fandom look like a bunch of young kids who don't understand serious situations and only say cringy stuff like this. Leave some comment that would be respectful to the boys.
*Same here at Singapore serving military is mandatory for 2 years too for all mens age 18.* *SAF - Singapore Army Force* *SCDF - Singapore Civil Defence Force* *SPF - Singapore Police Force* *All of the 3 Services above will be chosen for you based on your education,history and etc. All Services requires 2 years of mandatory service to the nation.*
*Why do u even bother to care? and joining the military is far more better and having lots of knowledge and experiances for better survival on your own or for others than you fcktard sitting on the couch eating your fking potato chips* *Keep up the good work mate*
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This is why their gamers are so legit. They’re all veterans
Not at all.
hahaha
Because of PCbang culture
@BaneOfPhillipBurnell Wrong. You can go through your entire military career without going to war and still be a veteran when you get out. If you're a veteran of a war of any sort you put the name of the war before "veteran". That's why we call WW2 veterans, WW2 veterans and Vietnam war veterans, Vietnam war veterans...
@BaneOfPhillipBurnell Everyone who has ever served in the armed forces with an honourable discharge are legally veterans. But to respect the ones who have actually been in war they just call themselves ex-soldiers.
I am a Korean and my military service starts tomorrow. Wish me luck!
Edit: my military service ended without any trouble. Thank you all for your support.
to the window to the wall 잘 다녀오세요!!!
You don't need luck bro,you'll be fine,the first week is always the most painful time,you will pass it, fighting.
hope you’re doing ok man:)
Good luck man! How old are you?
Good luck sweetie take care and be safe 💜
Psy (the guy who made Gangnam Style) has military experience...
Just think about that.
Bang bang style
@@AnttonEths oppa bang bang style
@@professorrosenstock5026 op op op op op oppa bang bang style
He literally did twice of it. He took mandatory military service for four years. Sad story but true. Commented by ROK ARMY private. Semper fi!
solcityboi 아따 군대 좋아졋다? 유튜브도하고?
Word of knowledge: Never invade south korea, everybody is a veteran there
No only the men. I wonder when are we going to hear femunists demanding that women are drafted too?
@@billburr5881 I mean there are some women who can voluntarily join the army so some female aswell are veterans
@@juanchoresultay2704 Voluntarily is the operative word. The men get no choice. How about we reverse it for a decade or two? Women join or go to jail but men get a choice. Does that sound fair?
@@billburr5881 Of course not but I never said we force women aswell to join because they have right whether to enter or not enter that field its not just one gender (I’m not a radical feminist) .
Also how is you’re question related what I said? Did I ever say we should manadtorize women aswell and reverse the roles? I was only stating an observation there could be a few women who volunteered in the army and also maybe become veterans because their government allows women to join voluntarily (I’m not a feminist) just stating a fact they could volunteer not force or mandatorize like the men . I was not implying they should reverse the roles and of course that would be unfair . It would be unfair if women were not allowed to join the army at all cause there are some women who are brave to fight just like men . Anyone with limited and unfair roles is not good because they need to prosper and work together to achieve success and its not just only one gender in a specific role who can do the job they will new brains and character to help the ones who are have limited mindsets
@@billburr5881 If its that other way around nothing will change for good which is wrong but it does not mean it would just be men who will only do that role but also women aswell who are willing to fight and work together as one and not in a divided way . Both genders that are smart and have good characters not stupidity in the character and thinking’s
Not many people understand this but the Korea war technically never ended there was never a formal peace treaty signed
IVE BEEN SAYING THAT FOR 30 YEARS
AwesomeMax217 obviously they are still in a “Cold War”
AwesomeMax217 People say this so much, I don’t think there is anyone who doesn’t know at this point. Most of us were aware 20 years ago, but now teenagers on the internet feel the need to shove it down your throat. “AKSHULLY THERE WAS NEVER A PEACE TREATY”
Wasn’t it signed last year?
ua-cam.com/video/RgLyiVOywGo/v-deo.html
It formally ended a couple months ago
No wonder the zombie soldiers in Train To Busan was fast af
😂😂😂
Hell nah😂😂😂
I had to laugh at that 😂
FUCKFTJDTKGF
Lol
The gas room is one of the first things you do in the US military
It *SUCKS*
In Chile you do that until you get used to it. Then you want more
Señor Hilter wdym It was alright after like 2 mins of not breathing😂
oh shoot. I remembered that CS gas.... it was like nightmare. but one good thing is....I had rhinitis(?) but it got better after the training.
That shit is the miracle cure for all your problems. Had the sniffles and the flu. But after going through that, I wanted to go again.
@@fuegofootball758 same for me hell...my gas mask was to big and had a bulge in it...when they pop the tablets...the first min was a moment of terror...than i quickly realize that shis couldnt really hurt me ....when we finally came out i realize that.my eyes where.blood shot red and snot was running out of my nose....not to.mention my face was burning...all in all it wasnt so
I am a man who finished military service in Korea. I am a fourth year in reserve and when I was active, I was a soldier in charge of administrative affairs in the unit, and the task was the operation of our division. While serving as a soldier for 21 months in the military, there were many difficulties and hardships, but there were many pleasant and happy memories. In particular, I still can't forget the performance of the military band and the cheers of the juniors who welcome our company when they return to the barracks after marching in the training center. At this moment, I would like to express my gratitude once again to the Korean Armed Forces Soldier who protects my country by dedicating his youth throughout Korea.
Gods Army
Still, u were forced, & thát's wróng!
@@marijesauthenticchannelenj9437 we have no choice but to. Our north neighbour is a threat
How much time do u guys get now for using phone? And whats the time of sleeping and waking up?and others like meals,bath etc! I will be very very gratefull to you if u tell me those in small details...Please... 💜
I remember my first weekend in Korea. I’m an American, walking around, admiring all the sights, sounds, and scenery. This elderly man walks up to me, thanked me for my service and welcomed me to Korea. He told me all these stories about his time in the military, all the beautiful places to visit, and really admired Americans in the military for their commitment. In America, you get that sort of treatment when others know you’re military, but you really have to stick out. I obviously stick out, being i was an American, in Korea. But as I sat and talked with him, the more I learned about their history, and just how much their military and security matters to them. They have to be strong because they have no choice. We have the luxury of having a voluntary service. They do not. And while they may not like their mandatory service, I know deep down they understand the rationale for it. And I think it’s just as respectable.
why is there no replies did youtube injected themself with liquid cigarettes again
Just wait till America gets in beef with China, your gonna be drafted. Sad, but true
I'm korean, and I'd like to thank you for your service, and US' friendship with my country. I've had an opportunity to do joint training mission with the american forces during my service, and you guys were amazing during training mission, but so cool and down to earth during down time. We exchanged MRE and smoked cigarette together after the mission. Huge respect for who you are, and what you do. Love from south korea.
Thank you for your service brother. These whiny pieces of shit piss me off.
@@sat2244 I'd volunteer before the draft
Imagine the north invade the south. They will be surprise that a guy selling street food wielding a gun going rambo..
Imagine being a guy selling street food and seeing a 4-5 million army of trained soldiers who serve much much longer than in the South Korea, invading your country. You'll shit yourself instantly.
Rambos exist only im movies
ZaKalEbal 4-5 million malnorished and poorly trained army with outdated weapons to be exact...🤣
Kevin Nguyen yup that too 🤣
No shooting gonna happen bruh. Nkorean soldiers just lay thier arms down and race towards SK side.
Keanu Reeves nah
"Oh noo, my South Korean "boyfriend" will suffer in this, i don't want to see them suffer"
-every 13 yo girls i meet for the past 2-3 years.
kpop stans are truly a plague
They’re Also Plaguing My Schoolmates AF
Why are you meeting 13 year olds?
@@jackwedlock7102 that one day i HAD to socialize and go to my sister's school.
@@PakkiNakki not all mate dont generalize
Who's here after bts confirmed their military service-
Me :(
Me
🙏
Not funny or cool to type comment like this, who's here after BTS news.
-_-
Me 😕 bro I don’t want them to suffer that much having to take off the gas masks they’re gonna change so much after this
No wonder why koreans are such gods in PUBG tournaments
Because Korea is really strong at Game .
@meatiest BECAUSE EVERY ONE ON THE TEAM HAS BASIC UNDERSTANDING OF FIRE AND MANEUVER
@@danthelowblood2653 ya that's why im pretty good a siege
Because they're hackers like their Chinese brothers
haha i agree with that, they are capable soldier real life that can read situation and map direction
In america:
People who sees others who served in the military: *admiration and respect*
People in korea: You too huh?
owo more like :
First time ?
@@albaraqahtani lol
Triton 64 lol
I think it's pretty cool though because when you meet another guy it's like "where were you stationed" and it's a bonding experience.
More like
S.korean man : I served my country.
Korean politians,women :
So what? I'm not gonna praise you cause everyone doing the same thing.
So shut up. You're not special.
I'm not making this up. Young korean men are victim of society.
Obviously this guy didn’t participate in the US vs South Korea dance battle. He would’ve had a different opinion
Ah, I see you are a man of culture
You Are Reading This ah, hello fellow cultured man
@@TalksOfLife1 ahh yes the war on the beats
K-pop dancers aren't the best
I think Bollywood dancers are the best
ThiccBoyThunder bro we all are cultured men here
As a military wife till 2025 I'm here to know what exactly my husbands are about to sign into
thats why i'm here too
That's why I am here too
Same here
Lmao
Same girl same
95% of comments: complaining about people complaining about kpop stars having to enlist
5% of comments: people complaining about kpop stars having to enlist
100% of comment of sections is this
Are u doing your math right hon?
Dolphin nah I like kpop but I ain’t complaining some fangirls smhhhh
@@Moon-0777 Yes he did Which is 100%
People wouldn’t be complaining if the kpop fans weren’t complaining, you just arent looking deep enough
Not everyone does, every man does. It's not mandatory for you if you are a woman.
You won't said that, if the woman is from Israel.
Charles Lord Not entirely true as women only have to serve for 24 months while men 32 ( was once 36).
I think I didn't make my point clear: Normally, around the world, only man does the mandatory military service. And wlgjs678, pointed out: " It's not mandatory for you if you are a woman ". But I answered, " You won't said that, if the woman is from Israel ", which means, Israel is the only country in the world that women have military "mandatory" service. And yes BG, you made it clear, women makes shorter time than man, in Israel. Something else, since Israel had so many war with their so called "brother" Ismael descendants or muslim religion, in case of another future war, to my understanding, Israel's military can call up conscripts of 500,000 people in 24 hours and 1 million in 72 hours.
Charles Lord Actually Cuba, Norway, North Korea, Chad, Tunisia and Eritrea also have mandatory military service for women.
Charles Lord
because Israel IS ACTUALLY a true and non hypocritical pure feminist.
I think BTS after military training would never be the same again.
Not all of the training is as intense as this. There are different types of training in military service. You can choose which type you want. If you want the intense, marine level training, you can do that. You can also just do public service, like a police officer.
@@juliakawaii do you know where I can read more about that?
jonginsbih nope. Unless you receive D point (lvl 4) at your physical test, you need to be in service. Lvl 1-3 requires military service. Lvl 4 is required for public service. Lvl 5. No service required. To receive lvl 4 or 5. You need to have life time injury or disease or needs to be disabled.
Military training hasn't done a whole lot of impact on singers any ways. It's about their ability (which is their voice). So singers and actors are the least affected by it, sometimes they get even more famous. However athletes on the other hand essentially get ruined post military service. They build muscles where it's not needed and lose skills along the way. Hence, many athletes consider military service the end cap of their sports career.
@@mintyfresh4855 It's not about their singing ability or their voice that will change. It's about how their characters will change.
I am also a Korean guy who is currently serving for the Korean military. ( i am in the air force)
I respect the guy in the video because he was in the military in an isolated society
Nowadays, we can use phones in a certain period of time and we are going to use phone for 24 hours in less than a week.
My military discharge: 234 days left
Stay safe :D
다치지말고 무사히 전역하셔유
Good luck! Stay safe!
your name is junghwan and you currently serves in the air force and there is also junghwan from Reply 1988 drama that also serves in the air force HAHAHAHA, don't mind me it's just cool coincidence. good luck serving your country junghwan-ssi, respect!!!
Stay safe.
I like how he is smart enough to recognise he might have been brainwashed
Yeah, except this isn't brainwashing as much as it is eye-opening and fact stating from the officials of his nation to the danger and threat posed by their neighbor.
Growing up with stories from my parents, grandparents (from SK to NK who escaped) and their parents, they’re all under the consensus that the current youth doesnt understand the danger posed by NK.
Umm it's a very real concern look at North Korea
@@antonisk.2165 But No rewards.
Unlike Indians in my country
I'm 15, Korean and I'm so *not* excited for my Mandatory Military Service.
You should be
I want to join my countries military when i’m of age (18) i’m excited but i can see why ur not i wish u luck though
@Nari1102 That's illegal. A famous celebrity did it and he's permanently banned from Korea
It's ok, I mean yes, you won't have anyone to coddle you, beatings will be regular but in the end you'll realize its not done on a personal level (unless you are 고문관) it's to beat everyone into shit, it strips you of your ego, identity and hubris. It is to reset everyone at the lowest and build them up together. Would I do my 2 years again? No, but do I regret my training there? No. It made me what I am today and will fill you with confidence. You can do it.
@Nari1102 in Russia we have this kind of mandatory military service but for one year. Regardless, I think they take my life and time away from me and other young people. Additionally, they have nothing to give us instead of the stolen freedom. No one young man treating themselves with respect and not relating their life with the military should get through this. In my case, I postponed the service for 6 months in December. Now I'm studying to evade the army and go abroad, living far from Russia till I turn 27 years old. It's such a blessing to have the law which gives you the right to choose your faith.
When citizens meet soldiers in US:
"you are hero", "thank you for service"
in South Korea:
"It is reasonable~", "poor guy..."
I feel like that's one of the bigger problems with the US. The military Enjoys a larger than life folk hero status, that leads to them never being questioned, and any attempt to reign in their excesses is seen as unpatriotic. There's just such a large disconnect between the US military and the citizens it serves.
In singapore, a large number of the piblic dislikes the boys serving their national service even though its mandatory.especially when we are taking the subway or any other form of public transport, the public will give dirty looks to us as if we are “dirty”. we can’t even take a seat on the subway as people might take pictures of us to criticise us online
I think so im korean i think that korea soldiers are my hero but many people in korea think it is natural. Also Korean soldiers arent treated well. The matters have to be changed. Also Amarican soldiers treated very well so there are many soldiers in america....
@@yjh3764 Yeah I agree their Pay is even lower than minimun wage. $300 per month
@@jaehyung2737 Many korean want to change the matters. But government use too much money to wrong way
Fun Fact: Psy from Gangnam Style served in the military not once but twice lol
Why
because he tried to avoid it in the first place, i think the government made him go twice as a punishment
@@achaemenid To be precise, he was given industrial personnel instead of military servive, but it was found out that he didn't serve properly doing concerts and shows from time to time, so he had to serve avtive duty from the start again, meaning he got training twice
@@Dragon_Gaming2020 dang bruh, you really can’t escape em 💀
He based
Oh,so that's why the author writing one of my favorite manhwas suddenly disappeared.
@@grelxations Dungeon Master.
SIU started tog after millitary training. Made him GOAT.
You won't read his manhwas for at least 2 years. By the time he comes back, you would've moved to another author, unless you're a true fan
@@blerst7066 well,I can wait.I bookmarked just in case:)
@@sopmodtew8399 yea I heard he actually did go to the military. I rlly do miss that manhwa :(
The fact that this is being recommended for me today is worrying
we already have plenty of people to deal with that
Dw no world wars. Yet
I was stationed in Korea in the 80's Camp Hovey 1st 38th Infantry, we trained with the Korean Army, they are well trained, tough soldiers, I have utmost respect for the ROK Army.
Hua ,
a former Katusa served in a CAV battalion in area 1
Thank you for your service
My dad also went through his military service, although his bad eyesight made him become the manager of a golf club owned by the military instead of an actual soldier XD
wow his bad eyesight actually benefitted him there 😂
My bad hearing (mikrotia, one ear is deaf, and served in the FDF) made me in to a scribe? (There's no real translation) And I missed most of the worst training and carrying a 12 kg pkm in the forest for like 8h a day :D
They were missing one bmp-2 mechanic and that is where I ended up in the end, laying down on a table and drinking coffee in a prototype maintenance container while watching youtube for 80% of military camp time :D:D
Tho doing repairs in the field was quite a chore, and any bmp mechanic can probably agree.
Did your dad have an eye condition? Can't imagine everyone with glasses manage to pull it off.
@@Lekirius They quickly realized having glaucoma in combat wasn’t a good idea, but I’m pretty sure they would t just let him go.
he got lucky lol
South Korean Military: if you can't make it work, make it work.
JoJo fans: it just works.
IS THAT A JOJO'S REFERENCE
Yes
ZA WARUDO
There is not a thing "can't make it work" because it will always work. "You must make it work!"
AYAYAYAYAYAYA
common saying among koreans :
when country needs you, we are the son of the nation
when country doesn't need you anymore, we are on our own.
this is why nationalists are stupid, the country won't care for you once you are done serving them, why would you
@@NeostormXLMAX you don't do it for the government nor the people. You do not expect something in return. You do shit for the unconditional love for the country and flag and for the people that have fought their lives for the country.
@@NeostormXLMAX true that
@@joshhart5259 That logic leads to facism.
@@채영현-n3f how does that logic lead to fascism? Its loving the country itself not the state or government.
During the LA riots, the Rooftop Koreans became famous for defending their stores from looters. Because of mandatory military service, pretty much every first generation Korean American male in the community was familiar with guns.
Many of the Roof Top Koreans were also combat-hardened Vietnam veterans too.
If Latasha Harlins had military experience perhaps the rebuff would've never happen and only Soon Ja Du would be gone.
@@jp3630 Maybe Latasha Harlins shouldn't have shoplifted.
@@capmidnite Maybe the Japanese should have struck Pearl Harbou, then the ones in the US wouldn't have been interned in camps.
Maybe Ukrainian families should not border Russia, then they would have some heating, HAHAHA.
@@capmidnite She didn't shoplift. Read the transcripts. Stop slandering the wrong person.
Starting to see why a lot of Korean Students get into gun culture when they come into the U.S.
I took a few of them to a private range, expecting them to have never shot a weapon before. All of them brought suppressed AR’s and mp5 clones...
I mean,who doesnt love guns?
(Except the democrats)
I mean is it really that surprising? When you give them artillery,they can start bombarding immediately.
If you stand in the middle of busy street in Seoul and shout "Is anyone here that can operate a tank?" About 1/10 will raise their hand.
one some true. Very true. There are numerous tank units in the korean army. Most of the soldiers learn something. Plain foot soldiers seem to be less much.
Doctor Chaotic I’m fine with guns, I go to the shooting range sometimes, and I’m a democrat so... maybe that’s a you problem
Next episode "What's it like to serve in North Korea's mandatory service."
I'm dead
One word: hell
Underrated comment.
You'll enter there at the age of 18,when you got out, you'll be 80
@@Choca_ everyone is born s soldier and die a soldier serving as slaves there... the is only one fat person in the entire country
Having served in the Korean Army for 2 years as well, I can not say military life was fun for me. Like Gene says in the video, the "forcefullness" makes you miserable in the Army. One time I got bullied because I didn't wring the floor-cloth properly. They fucking had certain way to wring the god damn floor-cloth !! (걸레 짜기...) WTF??
2 years eventually passed, I was grateful that I served the Army. There were some important life lessons that I had learned such as appreciating family/friends, tolerance, patience, etc.
But would yo go back to do 2 years more?
NO WAY!!!
Brian1ee 제 맞후임이 미국에서 살다 한국 군대 왔던 나이 많은 형이었는데 적응 못해서 너무 힘들어했었습니다. 한국 살던 사람도 거지같은 한국군대문화 짜증났는데 외국 살다 온 사람은 얼마나 힘들었을지 문득 생각나네요
After this two years , in your civilian life, do you need to return for revision training?
As I stated previously, the military is an authorized violence group in the country. One out of 100 Koreans is in the military. In a group of 600,000 people, as I agree with you, various & many incidents and accidents could occur. However, the frequency is very low compared to the general society. Now days, a mental desertion or a single sexual misconduct becomes a social issue via all sorts of social media. If the same thing happens in society, it would be buried in the sand.
What you described in this reply, I believe, not all abuses you may experience in the military because ROK military has a well constructed report & appeal system. It doesn’t imply we shouldn’t improve the military abuse prevention system. But even the USFK, which is a developed country, has a higher crime rate than ROK military’. If that so, it's not grateful to downgrade and denigrate the military whose royalty to the nation and their honor of protecting the people.
Thus, I would like to recall one phrase of the scripts from the “Descendent of the Sun”.
“A military uniform is a shroud. When we die for our nation in the nameless front-lines, those sites become our graves and our uniforms turns out our shrouds. We should wear the military uniforms with that determination. Once we do, be honorable at every moment. There is no reason why we shouldn’t be.”
WesleyEngDOTcom sounds like someone wants to be conscripted
Brian1ee I
Thanks Gene. I appreciate the video. I had several Korean students who talked about the 2 years of training in the SK military but I only had vague conceptions of it. This video gives me a good understanding of what that 2 years entailed. I remember my students saying how much they dreaded that 2 years but how the experience turned them into a man.
All the more respect to super famous ppl like BTS for insisting on completing their military service, even though they probably could have gotten exemption due to their music achievements and cultural/financial contributions to their country. Kpop idols are also known to get more harassment and a harder time in the military, as well as invasion of privacy instances (ie. photos taken of them for blackmail or sell to the press). So I'm sure they were dreading it too, but said it was their honor to serve their country.
2:01 sounds a lot like living with my ex, Grilfriend
Damn. The longer i listened the more accurate it became.
😂😂😂
Lol nice
Harsh but accurate.
Hahahaha!
Just finished my year tour at Kunsan AB. Worked with a lot of ROKAF members. Lemme tell you..they definitely have it rough for those two years. It was really fun talking to them though and hearing their thoughts. Mad respect for their culture and current society.
His English is really excellent for a Korean
He’s humble and generous
And really handsome
Thành Hồ he has a little dick tho
Brown people always so jealous of East Asian success & superiority in all aspects throughout history and still to this day. Maybe you guys are always the first & quickest to criticize East Asians because of the Mughal (i.e., "Mongol" Dynasty) of India which was founded by Mongoloids? The Taj Mahal that so many Indians are so proud of was actually built by the Mongol Mughals. And now China has been a superpower for at least a decade; China is already the second largest economy in the world while India's economy is not even as big as France's lmao! However, India is second place in the world when it comes to highest murder rate. China builds the world's first quantum communications satellite while India is still 3rd world.
handsom..?
Racist
Thành Hồ you just described Namjoon (RM)
Teens of my country- BTS, BTS
Teens of South Korea- yes, we will join the military
As a Indian I agree
bhai mere pagl hai kya teens in India bts bts, cant u see the difference they don't want to join military and here in India there are many people who will be more than happy to serve in the military if its mandatory ( no joke but guys like one in the video are the ones to surrender first and South Korea alone will never be able to defeat North Korea ). I am 16 and Ill be more than happy to join the mandatory military service in India if we had any.
I don't think anyone would willingly join the army
@@Ms.-Lily every soldiers in your country: I'm a joke to you?
so excited for bts to enlist already so their fans can shut up ❤
imagine BTS in a tank fighting kim
oml
And screaming "CAN'T HOLD ME DOWN CAUSE YOU KNOW I'M A FIGHTER" like bruh 😭😭😭
That'll be cool to watch
..... And starts singing "Fire"!!!
And one of them, will never make it back 😢😢😢
Singapore also has mandatory military service for male citizens.
If you have this sort of program in the US the people would go nuts about rights I reckon.
The US does have a similar sort of program. Its called Selective Service (aka the Draft). All male citizens have to sign up at 18. The US military gets its soldiers from volunteers right now, but if the US were ever to go to war, it can activate the Selective Service and it forces men to join the military. The last time this was done was in the Vietnam war and it did cause a lot of people to go nuts. Men refused to sign up and got thrown in prison.
There was a big controversy last year over whether women should be forced to sign up for Selective Service too, but it didn't happen. Women can volunteer, but can't be forced in a time of war.
chaosXpert What a shame for the equal rights movement, women should have the rights to be part of the selective service. LMAO
Jonathan Williams "Was"? The draft is still around, it's just not being implemented right now. When WWIII starts, it will once again be bad luck to be in the military.
huguan86 bro we just bribe your prime minister or president to order your troops to suicide
Siew Qing Wang the US DID have this but because our numbers are so large we have no reason for a draft
Although we have selective services meaning all men have to sign up for the draft with they turn 16 or 18 I forget
Gene Kim: I can handle the gas filled room
European Minorities: First time?
Lol you made my day
FreeBird0964
I like my walls stained blue...
damn that’s dark
My husband is going to join military within few months. After watching this video,now I'm really worried for him.Almighty please protect my husband so he can make his things work!
Bangtan will be fine they're all strong and tough guys you know
@@nia437 💜🙏🏻
Be yelled constantly and don't have a voice sounds like my childhood
Never want to go back
Robert Gomez Same
Relatable
hear hear, bro
Me rn
My grandpa fought for South Korea in the Korean War, he passed away almost two weeks ago from his third bout with cancer. He had a rough last couple years, it was sad to see him go out like this, he liked to take trips fishing. RIP Grandpa. 1932-2017
thegreatcalvinio As one of ordinary South Korean youngman & reserve forces in ROK (Republic Of Korea) army,
Please accept my condloences.
And Thanks for your grandfather's great every effort to get freedom back to Korea.
Although I'm not in Korea war generation, but I know how was great sacrifices by my grandparents, education and experiences in military.
Dear your grand father. maybe you were in Korea, some time 1950 - 1953.
Yesterday, 6th June, was Memorial day In Korea. Please know that you are in koreans thoughts and prayers. Thank you sir.
- One in twenty Korean
Hey I'm not Korean (American), but your Grandpa fought in the most pivotal war in the history of your country where losing would sentence you guys to hundreds of years of slavery, he fought for your freedom. And he will be honored for that
"There is good in this world, and it's worth fighting for" - JRR Tolkien
My condolences. The US is grateful for your grandpa's service
RBX2 i wish that to be true, but ur american vets, many are homeless/jobless or outcast by society. Its a shame rlly.
There was something I felt after I served military in Korea. It does not admit my hardship to anyone. And I wasted my youth two years. After the
discharge, I had nothing left but physical and mental dormancy and a
reserve force training notice.
How was your reserve training like?
At least you saved your country and your not born in North Korea or it would be 10 years in worse conditions. North wants to take over South Korea to strip it off all freedoms under Kim Jong Un.
You were part of the protection against those that want to destroy the peace on the peninsula.
Bubble-Nut Chewing-Gum Bruh you are actually telling that to a South Korean. He will know more than you about their past though haha...
@@SuccessforLifester They pay 7 dollars a day. Which is lower than the transportation fare to get there.
@@채영현-n3f I see. Their civilian jobs still need to pay them income even when they went on reserve training ?
totally relate with this guy, same experience here in switzerland, the yelling, the sleep deprivation, the stress, the waiting
I can’t believe they all have to go through all this because of North Korea
Ummm....northkorea is one of part. Historically korea have to prepare power, against china and japan
Yea. South Korea is a small country in mass and population compared the surrounding countries....South Korea just wants to have peace and to not be invaded again.
it's called the right to bear arms my guy
@@MatalinoMSiraj Dude.
@@femmemachete im not ur dude bro
Basically my time during basic in the US Army. Only reason why this guy complains that it sucks all the time is because there’s no will or motivation to be in the military. Drafts and mandatory service does make the military a living hell and you don’t get the full experience as a volunteer.
You guys also get paid better.
for most of us:
Well if you're gonna force me to do this shit, at least pay me in comparison as a minimum wage ass job.
Also soldiers are at the bottom of the barrel of society in Confucian culture lol... they don't provide anything economically. Just consume resources, or sometimes take over the government.
That's why conscription militaries suck. Volunteer militaries are much better.
Conscription military doesn't really suck so much in my country. A volunteer based military just wouldn't be sufficient to counter our threat so it's not even an option.
When I went through the gas chamber they told us not to touch our junk when we got out. I had to pee so bad that I ran to the tree line and did exactly that. The drill sergeants pointed at me while I was rolling on the ground screaming and said “see privates, this is what happens when you’re a dumbass”. It was a pretty good time. I seriously miss it. Wish I could go back in time.
Yeah that sounds really fun
Hahaha.
No offence but if you enjoyed that there is something wrong with you.
@@EgeCagan95 He was probably being sarcastic lol
@@reginageorge6283 yeah, most likely lol.
when i'm with you, there is no one else
As a K-Pop fan myself I find it very embarrassing to have people whining cause some of their favorite idols have to enlist.
Peter Quill I see no comments like that.
Yep that's good.
I mean they are gonna have to do it at some point
And it won’t be now
Probably after their career
Your fandom sucks
Exactly. Just cos idols are famous doesnt mean they should get to avoid service. My ult is shinee and Jinki, Kibum and Minho are all serving right now but they're just following the law of their country so i dont understand the people that go on about how its unfair. If anything it would be unfair if idols were exempt.
I love how they gave this Asian dude subtitles even though he is speaking fluent English 😂
For deaf i think.
King Slushie101 Not all people can hear.
It’s for the deaf
There’s people who is learning English and is trying to improve their listening and understanding, that’s why they put subtitles. You don’t need to think THAT much to understand the reason.
Ayyy thats the real racism out there
I was in the US Marine Corps for 5 years. We had to train in the gas chamber every year. I feel your pain! I am honored I got to serve my country. Thanks for sharing!
Because nearly every man is well trained, some people say that you can make a entire batallion immediately with people on a metro car in here South Korea.
Mandatory service sucks for sure but it has its own advantages I guess
They know that freedom isn’t free.
@@sgtmayhem7567 ha, we dont know that. the government doesnt recognize nk as a threat. they've been sending resources worth over millions over the border. they literally wrote out the part in the defense white paper where it stated that nk is our enemy. late teenage boys and young adult males are stripped from their freedom and are forced into the military which treats them like shit, they dont even get payed 1/4 of the minimum wage. everyone i know have been abused and mistreated during service. conscription is obv a violation of human rights and sk barely compensates for this 'sacred duty' as they like to call it. if s koreans were given a choice not to go to the military (without any punishment/societal repercussion by choosing so) almost everyone would choose not to serve.
No, zero advantages
@@sgtmayhem7567except there is no freedom, try being gae at south Korea 😂
I served in Korea in 1968. Sometimes called the second Korean War and I can tell you that the North has indeed numerous times invaded the South. These were relatively small incursions but we had to be constantly on alert. Walter Bonnesteel was the commander of UN forces in Korea and made sure that Korean troops were responsible for Korea's defense. I give him a lot of credit for giving Korean troops the confidence to do the job. ROK troops were among the best fighting men I ever encountered anywhere. Read about the Tiger Division in Vietnam. You have a lot to be proud of.
Thank you for your service💪
E
@@닭갈비-r7u lol you are all being appreciated and stuff but your profile name is just lol
You are old as shit 😭
Thank you for your service.
Thats called CS gas, bro. They did it the same for us, too. Burning a couple tablets on hotplates.
My fire team partner was so excited to take his stuffy gas mask off that he instinctively took a deep breath when the gas was filling up the room. It was pretty hilarious, actually.
Nik Murphy i leave for basic pretty soon and im excited for the gas chamber😂 i know im gonna hate it and it will suck but im still excited
I'm an instructor for that type of stuff exactly in my country's army! It's always a great experience :)
@@devinjohnson4480 Yeah it's actually fun. Putting on the full rig in a hurry, doing some exercises in the room.
And if you're lucky like me, you'll get to do it in 40 degree, humid weather!
Nik Murphy lol i feel like that was a lot of sarcasm😂 but i leave aug 6th so it will be very hot :(
@@devinjohnson4480 The weather part was definitely sarcasm, but trust me you will develop a sarcastic sense of humour yourself after they put you through basic.
Korean men also have to stay in shape for military until they're 30. Even after they finish their 2 years of mandatory service, Korean men have to go to regular physical training days.
Dictatorship basically. If they are like this, why not just let North Koreea invade? You just switch the leaders.
Why not just let North Korea invade ?
Bro , you have no idea how things go in North Korea
For starters , the amount of food you consume is controlled by the government ( that’s right , you are not allowed to eat more than a specific amount of food as North Korea economy is running low for years now )
Then there’s NO entertainment at all ! That’s right , no Hollywood , no music , no dramas , no internet , the only shows available are North Korean shows which teach military propaganda
The clothes you can buy is limited too
Even hairstyles are limited , there are only around 6 hair styles which men and women can have , if anyone has a different hairstyle, they are arrested
Also , if by any chance you get caught doing something even slightly illegal , you are sent to labour camps ( even children are sent there ) where you have to do hard core labour for months with around 2 bowls of rice a day
This is only the tip of the ice berg my friend , watch some educational videos on UA-cam to know how bad things are on that side of the border
@@shukrantpatil It's not that bad compared to South Koreean military service. I mean, it's as if I would ask you what you prefer between being slapped 5 times vs. having your head shaved.
What you described over there is not different from what my parents lived for 30 years when my country was communist. I have acces to internet and I don't need Hollywood, or your stupid dramas, or eating continuosly until I get obese or get cancer, I prefer not to be shot at on the streets as you might be in the USA or school being about who has the richest parents. You can stay in your country with your heroin epidemic, with crazy, iliterate morons attacking you in trafic or killing your family members because they drive while reading facebook posts.
After all, each country has its own poisons, none is perfect.
@@popcornsniper then go to NK
@@popcornsniper north Korean military service is probably more hardcore lol, you know what North Korea is right
I AM NOW WORRIED FOR MY BOYZ
istg this is gonna be hard for them, really hard but hopefully they'll get through this
they are bulletproof and we are their armies we will have to support them throughout this journey
good luck bangtan :) see you guys in 2025
Sameeeeeeeee 😟
Same here
I don't want to image them there 😔
Same I really am especially the gas mask thing
They will be fine. Their brothers serviced before them.
And people wonder why south koreans are so good at esports. They all have the discipline and will.
Mojack actually, professional gamers, celebrities, etc delay their service time so they can focus on their career while it lasts.. since it’s hard to succeed as progamer or celebrity as you get older. You can postpone your service until the age of 30 if you have valid reasons, but you must go before 30.
Korea is good in esports because of fast internet. Also traditionally pc online games were popular compared to console games.
Stfu
@@wondo94 not the koreans only, all asians are like this. I have some competition experience against asian players from japan and china. They are biologicly better at this, like black people better at running, they are better in esports and everything that recuirse good and fast brain work. They learn faster to do things better than everyone else, they have a strong teamplay and discipline in thier blood, they work as a whole thing. Even if the players in the team are not skilled enough, they are frcking hard to defeat. That's pretty much everything why asians are good at videogames. Meh, they are better at everything, i guess, except physical strength.
@@txcubepope8768 thats why we make robots to do our work
@@georgeye9622 we got a angry legume of legend player here
This man just explained all military experiences
Same as Singapore. 2 years. If you try to evade it, yup stockade! Unless your dad is the President of Singapore.
I wonder if you get caned for evading the draft
Jin is going there this year!I really hope he will be okey there!
I like that quote: "If you can't make it work, make it work." I think I will remember this the rest of my life lol.
debinosa easier said than done bro. I was in the military too and that shit don’t work like that lol
If you can't make it work, well shit that doesn't work."
I also wouldn't like to be forced to go through this mandatory training but I think serving in a military and learning all the self-defence, extraordinary and amazing stuff is really cool, you learn a lot and are prepared for danger and have knowledge about and know a lot more on how to deal with those kind of situations than any common person who hasn't gone through such trainings and preparations. I know it can be forceful, is very tough and hard, you don't have any freedom and this isn't any secret just want to say that in the end it all pays off. I think you should appreciate all the training and preparation you went through.
Anonymous its also good to stop obesity
Anonymous it's only 2 years at least it's not a full enlistment being 4 years.
err... no. It doesn't pay off. Two years of nonstop bs and being treated like shit while making less than $400 a month is something nobody is willing to do.
No. You never heard of bullying, rape and constant violence in the military?
You don't learn shit in the Korean military. Everybody just stalls out for their time to end and nobody is motivated to actually be productive for the military since there is nothing to gain other than disappointment and injuries.
Damn much respect for many people around the world that are in the military. I barely could get up in the morning😬😬
I could get you UP
Thank you from Korean army ;)
It’s just so depressing to think that they’re forced to give up 2 years of their youth for this isolation. I think a lot of international people clued in on this with recent idols being snatched up there too
As a korean male citizen, i just have no idea why my folks are just putting up with this nonsense unfairness. we're just born to be slaves
Getting hollered at on day 1? Being known as a recruit instead of a Private? Forced into a gas chamber? Told to do everything with speed and intensity?
Korean military or United States Marine Corps? Oohrah
Carlos Mejia damn
Considering the close ties between the two countries I assume a lot of the South Korean military structure is based on the US
Carlos Mejia getting raised by korean parents is like being in basic training your entire childhood.
but when your forced to join the military without any will or loyalty the soldiers will still break even with such intensive training
Carlos Mejia The Navy does the same thing.
don't know why kpop fans are so concerned. They shouldn't because it's not like they lose their talent anyways. I'm more worried for Son Heung Min in Tottenham. Athletes are much more impacted by the military than actors or singers. Singers and actors come out with a comeback, athletes just disappear.
Son has been allowed to purse career at football😀😀
He doesn't need to attend military service
@@laserbutthole6309 this has to do with mandatory Korean service you idiot.
Dem bands are formulated marketing schemes, they don't have talents to begin with
The military causes such bad mental health. Plus you never know if BTS would want to continue dancing and singing when they come back.
@@mel90522 hope bts die in service
What, no women forced to join the military ?
no, korean socially leave all the labour work to men
+Aquatic Scrotum, if I remember too, if a women wants to join the military she has to go in as an Officer. In fact Korean Army will salute all females in the US and other foreign armies regardless of rank.
Kartkid- Is there a reason?
Michael Wargo Im not sure actually. Never looked it up. Korea doesnt exactly have all the equal rights opinions that the US has.
It's called convention. Some have already challeged the military law for violating the Constitution which says 1) every PERSON has a duty to guard our borders 2) military duty MUST NOT be a disadvantage for the bearer... but the verdict was girls at the army? pfff nah shut up. The contradiction is deep and also involves alternative services for those with health issues (of course men only.)
Bonus fact: once, the men who finished serving the military were given a small-but-influential advantage when they applied for civil service jobs. Then "feminists" got the media and now(don't remember since when) absolutely nothing. 2 of your best years robbed, significant risk of injuries trauma etc which often falls on yourself.
I have heard worst stories than this while they are serving in military and i hope the Bangtan boys will not exp these worst experiences and i believe they will get through it. Intense rehearsals,no sleep and run bts challenges mould them 😅 Go our tannies. We believe in the seven of you 💜
FIGHTING 🔥💜💜💜💜
That well said 💜
That's true ARMY😊 💜💜💜
we need to cheer 🙆♀️🙌them up they are serving their country🇰🇷 even they could easily🙅🏻♂️ reject the mandatory service 😢
Our Boys are not coward they knew they can make it through 💜
We believe in you and know
Your best is yet to come 🥰😇😊🤗
@@lifeislivinglove9073 lmao you cannot (and you should not) reject military service in South Korea, there are only conscientous objections. However, if you do so, you'll have to work in South Korea's prison system for a longer term than conscription.
I am Korean man already done 50% of my military service, and i want to go back home😱 But I love my people here too
98%
Hang in there buddy.
god bless
Almost there!
@@h2345f_ the person is probably from south korea , they have internet there just like we do unlike north korea
I served in the Korean army for 2 years.
I've served as a tank soldier, and I know how to use 5.56mm guns such as k2, k1, m16.
I've been discharged as a sergeant.
It was a great honor for me to defend freedom against communism in a divided country.
Thank you.
Thank you for your service brother, Korea’s a bulwark against communist aggression and expansion.
Which country do Korean hate the most? Japan?North Korea? Or China? North East Asia is such a crazy place.
@@thegreatbeyond289 As a korean, many koreans not a big fans of china and n.korea. almost koreans has no idea about japan and other nations.
Thanks Elon Musk
Someone i know died in gas room...
BTS: Gets popular and rich
South korea: *Im about to end this whole Man's career*
Edit: ok i get it, you Grammar Nazis
"Man's"
These mans's
Sadly they will soon join.
No they wont go at the same time though Seokjin the oldest member is going in less than half a year
They had an option to not go but they decided to go anyways. I'm proud
Here after Sara Duterte made her announcement for mandotory military services in the Philippines for ages 18, male and female. 😭
💀
Bat malungkot?
Why sad?
@@kriegsvogel1577 who wouldnt be sad to have their future taken away from them? Hinde po lahat nang kabataan busy mag tik-tok 2x lang, some of us are answering tons of worksheets because we actually care for our future and to have that taken away from us after all the hard work that we did?? Of course magagalit ka at yung iba malulungkot.
@@kylee.jenner3610 your so gay
that's the problem, when you force something instead of persuade, people will naturally rebel.
Joel Schembri So when North Koreans attack who is going to protect South Korea? Keyboard warriors?
Volunteer soldiers, like any other civilized nation has?
ok let's say the number of volunteer soldiers is not enough... who's gonna come help them? are they gonna wait for the others to come to their rescue ?
mikhail hilliard here's the thing they know in the back of their minds they need to as its part of their duty.
"who's gonna come help them? are they gonna wait for the others to come to their rescue ?"
Let's also be aware that it is 2017 and humans are much better are intelligence gathering than actually defending or attacking a mass of people.
I believe this is important for south korea. But it would be nice if the US and south korea would train together to keep a hand around the north. This might make kim jong mad, but whatever.
Sogell 2.0 they do, every year. why do you think Kim shoots missiles at the water and does live firing?
There are also KATUSAs who spend their time in US Army/RoK Army mixed units and train together everyday.
In Front of Them All!
Sogell 2.0 That would be great. Especially if we update S.K. with some of our technology and weapons. We could form a great military with both Americas and South Koreas training.
***** No one cares. You're gonna get your ass kicked little boy.
Lol
Kory Ladd they do train with us America has 50,000 troops in the south and south korea is one of the most advanced militaries in the world north cant beat the south even without Americas help
This is actually quite scary to watch; my older brother is made to be fighting soon...
joonpai I’m worried too, I might need to in a few years
Thank you for sharing your story about your experience in the South Korea military, especially living in a country of South Korea that it was constantly a threat by your neighbor to the North. Hope you can share more about your time in the South Korean military.
Well I get that it’s mandatory when North Korea is literally your dinkleberg
@The Man With No Name The American military presence in South Korea is negligible. Relying on the rationality of a totalitarian dictatorship is not a valid strategy, furthermore, American support will not always be a certainty.
Schop Schalte
Very true
@Coley Durham they already are lmao
@@Banjo-ed5vv american force is there just as a deterrent.
If they attack the US forces they formally declare war against the US, not just South Korea.
@Barrack Obama Vlogs reeeee politicians won't allow for careless and mass bombing of villages anymore, and yeah Afghanistan is taking a long time
I bet they're swole af by the time they come back
Melody Park neh, you do too much running and the only resistance training you do is calisthenics. I can vouch that you lose muscles there-all your previous gains receding back into your body
nah... first 7 weeks of trainning is intense. But after that (assuming you didn't fail the trainning) they go easy on you.
You do not eat anywhere near enough to make big muscles, they do not give you enough food. Starvation training is one of the most important parts of training just as being tired all the time is, they do that on purpose for the simple fact that when there is a war a lot of soldiers will experience hunger and be tired all the time.
Melody Park
still skinny maybe strong though
they lose the muscle afterwards because of work and no time to exercise
Singaporeans and Israeli ex-servicemen: I think we would be great friends.
No
No
Leg
Koreans and Israelis face a real and present threat - Singaporeans, not so much. Training environments are totally different too - extremely unlikely that Singaporeans would train in a snow or desert environment. But yeah, 2 years of our youth given up.
@@wnose The Israelis have the Arabs, The South Koreans have North Korea.
I think that soon, China would soon be Singapore's enemy should conflict ever break out in the South China Sea.
Who's here after the announcement of Sara Duterte about the possible mandatory military service in the Philippines? 👇
Me🙋♂️
Me
While the reaction of North Koreans: Amateurs!🤣🤣🤣
SERIOSULY how many kim jong un accounts are there. This is my 30th kim jong un account
They will cut through your cannon fodder like butter.
@@thehistorybuff-smh hahaha 😂
Hi kim jeong en
@@thefrenchareharlequins2743 Dreams. Do you legit think GayPop stans can so that🤣
"One of the hardest training I ever did was gnridfbdfnugrd"
what
Yes
Hwa-seng-bang Hoon-ryeon
arnold jayeola That’s what he said
@arnold jayeola translated: Chemical room training, aka you get gassed tf out in a room
You are paid peanuts as a conscript. Women are able to graduate and enter the workforce 2 years earlier than man.
Yea, i'm a pussy who served my part and so does 1 millions reluctant male citizens in my country who gave 2 years of their life to serve the nation. Getting laid? Done that countless times dude. Keep that hate comment coming man.
SCHOOL SHOOTER judging by your name, you have no idea about how society works.
SCHOOL SHOOTER
So you just described yourself?
SCHOOL SHOOTER
nah you just seem like a troll lmao
Don't complain about what women are allowed to do over men. Men are allowed to do far more than women in our society in so many ways. So shut the fuck up.
Who's here because they worry about Jin?
ME
🥺😭😭😭😭😭😭
Been stressing for a while but at least he’s almost back… hoping the others are okay though
Same here for Singapore. All the males aged 18 and above are required by law to go for 2 years of compulsory military service. It used to be 2 and a half years, but it was reduced during the early 2000 to 2 years. Evading military service is a criminal offence, and you could even have your citizenship revoked if you choose to escape to another country.
Basic Military Training (BMT) lasts 10 weeks - unlike five in S. Korea, and yes you are treated as the lowest lifeform in the training camp, worse than the stray dogs in the army camp sometimes. After the 10 weeks, the recruits attain the rank of Private, and deployed to different battalions or units depending on their 'performance' during BMT.
The elite performers get identified as potential cadets and to be trained in Officer Cadet School and graduate as officers. The second group of "intermediate" performers go through another 4 months of hell and eventually graduate as 3rd Sergeants (we call them specialists or NCOs). The huge majority end up as just "men" or regular soldiers in the different battalions.
I could relate to the gas chambers, because we had to go through that as well. But what I really struggled with was the punishing obstacles course, where you have to scale a series of 7-8 obstacles while in full army gear, SBO and rifle, followed by a 1.5 km run after clearing the obstacles - and you have to meet a certain timing in order to be considered to have "PASSED"!!!
This is why the guy from Singapore who helped me at the airport somehow seems like he’s been in the army, didn’t even have the chance to thank him.
Thanks for ur service i am korean. İ served in ROKA, in 2018~2020. SG army can go home after work?
In some vocations, yes, for example, clerical or admin positions. But most vocations, no.@@taomingsun6550
Video IDEA
"What it's like to serve in Lithuania's Mandatory Military Service"
Imma search for a video like that.
I have a friend from Lithuania! That would be cool to see
me: loads comments to read what others feel about the military service.
100% of the comment section: *omg bts need to go there god protect exo oh my god please oh no my poor babies has to go there rip omg emoji emoji emoji emoji emoji emoji emoji emoji*
I went to the comment section to find opinions of this issue yet most of them are kpop fans concerning their "oppa"
@@mayocornzz2741 why is it an issue ?
@@jackie520 Armies are usually less effective in morale when you draft people, because (unsurprisingly) when you force others to go into military and go through basic training (with people screaming at you, telling you what to do, etc.) then yeah a lot of people can get pissed off. Plus, when in combat you wouldn't really trust the drafted soldier to guard your back as much as you would a regular enlistee, since the draftee would usually tend to be far more disloyal to the cause and may desert.
That's the gist of it, drafting is controversial in certain nations (like the U.S.A.) although here in Russia we do get drafted lightly if you aren't a useful member of society (i.e. University student, etc.), I signed up voluntarily though.
@@депрессивныйстудент you are correct but sometimes they are even more ineffective if they don't have enough personnel. But conscripts aren't really that bad. It depends. The IDF showed that conscripts can be very effective if you do things right.
@@jackie520 Yeah there are some exceptions, as long as you do a good job getting the general public to your side then you can indeed get a lot done. But nowadays in this interconnected and individualistic world it is much harder as any kind of propaganda can easily be disproven by a Google search in many cases, even the most genuine of causes would have critics go on the Internet and reach a wide audience. However I do definitely agree with you that if done properly, drafting can get pretty good people in.
Also, unrelated to what we're discussing, but whoever deleted my original comment is a censoring dick.
Singapore also has a 2 yrs mandatory for all males. But, Korea's sounds much worse than what we have.
i heard its hell too
It depends on the unit u get sent to. I call my 2 years of military a vacation.
Korea’s military service apparently does a lot more isolation (tougher phone rules especially) which makes it tougher. Singapore’s NS usually has room for you to call your parents, bookout on weekends etc so it’s not so bad
i guess thats fair, singapore shouldnt even have a mandatory service.
@@StreetDrilla not really, they had fears over being invaded by Malaysia and Indonesia, despite those truce that we have. Those truce can be broken as well, that's why they maintain their military. They're smaller than both Malaysia and Indonesia.
Kinda fun reading the comments section
Thank you for your service my fellow brothers. We have fought well.
Ok seriously guys, THIS IS SERIOUS
YES BTS will have to enlist
YES EXO will have to enlist
YES Got7 will have to enlist
YES Seventeen will have to enlist etc.
But this is about Korea
I'm a long time kpop fan but come on, WE WILL ALL MISS THEM
STOP:
Saying how bad this must be for BTS
How sad it is that you'll miss you're "oppas"
This is what every male citizen has to go through
PandAlpaca87 what people don’t understand is that when you enlist you’re not necessarily in danger. Shoot you can me a policeman or a translator.
@@shannon504 yes I agree. Its just really frustrating seeing so many comments only about kpop stars. And I understand that people will miss them, but they arents the only people that have to do this
I have to
They are not worried about their safety. Of course it’s conducted in a safe environment. They are worried about not seeing their idols faces for the next 2 years in the industry.
I’m Korean. And I am too whitewashed to even recognise any of them hahaha
2 years of military service or 2 years playing a blizzard game?
Tough choices for a modern Korean hipster
lol
Well said bro. lol
Dumb ass
Geba oh j joined the marines for the money did I? E-1s and E-2s make less than minimum wage...I as an E-3 make about minimum wage...please don’t assume you have the slightest clue why myself or my brothers and sisters serve.
i hope that FlyingTuna is going to be fine
SEE YOU NEXT TIME
WHAT A LEGEND
Everyone hates it while you going through it but when it is all over you gain a lot of respect for yourself and everyone who has gone through it before
Damn it! There's my face on the thumbnail! That's a photo of a land mine attack. I was in the service at the time
진짜에요?
@@winter_vodka 넹 진짜에요. 저때 북한이랑 회의하러 간다고 비대기였던 저희 중대가 jsa에 후방대기하러 갔었는데 임진강 통일대교 건널때 찍혔어요
In south korea,
If you're in a big square and shout "Can anybody drive main battle tank or armoured vehicle?" Then at least 5 random guys will raise their hands.
I am worry about j hope, he afraid of insects, afraid of loud noises, afraid of heights, never exercise, can he get through all this😭😭
Same thoughts here 😢😢 our sunshine would really have a hard time enduring all this omg as well Our WWH he’s too soft for this kind of stuffs and Taehyung he is too soft to take all this, Unlike the 4 others they are physically strong and sports active so we can rest assured that this other 4members can endure all this kind of training..
You think others aren't scared of anything? Stop making the fandom look like a bunch of young kids who don't understand serious situations and only say cringy stuff like this. Leave some comment that would be respectful to the boys.
*Same here at Singapore serving military is mandatory for 2 years too for all mens age 18.*
*SAF - Singapore Army Force*
*SCDF - Singapore Civil Defence Force*
*SPF - Singapore Police Force*
*All of the 3 Services above will be chosen for you based on your education,history and etc. All Services requires 2 years of mandatory service to the nation.*
No one asked for that small freak country
*No one asked your comments fcktards*
@@mr.nonymous2024 You are trying to save that small city to who? from Malaysia? Lol
*Why do u even bother to care? and joining the military is far more better and having lots of knowledge and experiances for better survival on your own or for others than you fcktard sitting on the couch eating your fking potato chips* *Keep up the good work mate*
@Yaunri Ok chill. He just wanted to show off