Starmer inflamed the situation by saying one group needed clobbering and another group needed protecting, when he should have just said ALL lawlessness by anyone will be punished, whatever their political, religious or ethnic affiliation. His speech just reinforced the two-tier perception.
"just said ALL lawlessness by anyone" Reminds me of this situation: "All Live Matter" Raising accusations of racism. Never understood what the fuss was about.
Correct, only it's not a 'perception' but a reality. I've seen it, and was shocked as I'd previously just thought it was people whingeing. Others have noted it too and they are people of reason and fairness, as much as the left/media etc. would love to paint them all as ill informed and ill educated thugs that just isn't the case.
Elon Musk is not in trouble. Starmer is in trouble. The political class and their media mates are so out of touch. They should move to Rotherham, Bradford, Leicester or Birmingham for a month.
Exactly. Martin Luther King said "riot is the language of the unheard". So much could be resolved if the political class had listened to the public's concerns instead of dismissing them.
They will never have to live with the consequences of their grandiose grandstanding bleeding heart liberal and sanctimonious decision making - They play with pleb lives as little boys play with flys (or was it gods something, i forget the quote).
What has "exacerbated the problem" is the way in which the politicians have ignored repeated calls to curb immigration, which has changed, and will continue to change, the nature of our society. I fear that is too late now.
"have ignored repeated calls" Yes and they NEVER EVER asked anyone - no Manifesto EVER featured Mass Migration. And Blair deliberately conspired to - "rub" mass migration.... To deliberately change demographics irreversibly (also for votes).......
@@HydraulicJack It has been estimated that if all immigration were halted tomorrow, due to the birth rate differences, whites will be a minority in the UK within 30 years, and the main political force will be eye slam.
By "taking the knee" in response to disturbances several years ago, and then reacting to the current disturbances in the way he has, Starmer has shown his true colours. The label "Two-tier Kier" is more than apt
I'm ancient enough to remember the 1981 disturbances in Brixton and Toxteth featuring predominantly black rioters. Commentators were quick to lambast them and say how terrible it all was, but other voices were also heard, arguing that the riots didn't just occur in a vacuum and that discrimination by the police and other authorities had played its part. Changes were then brought about. Similarly the current unrest in Britain's cities is being blamed on 'far-right thugs' by the Prime Minister, ably demonstrating his people skills and political acumen. It is quite obvious to anyone with half a brain that these awful scenes didn't just pop up out of nowhere. An honest, national conversation is urgent and necessary.
I think the salient point here is that the Leeds riots had politicians saying they need to engage with community leaders to understand the underlying issues yet these current riots have received just the stick.....
Agree with Paul here, living in Japan as a UK expat I wanted Japan to be Japan and tried my best to learn the language and respect the customs/culture but I then realized if I wanted that for Japan why would I not want it for Britain
This comment does not make much sense. Why should wanting Japan to be Japan automatically go hand-in-hand with NOT wanting the same thing for your home country? Your "but then I realised ..." indicates that you were living in some sort of "progressive liberal" dreamland. Fortunately, you seem to have woken up.
@@christianmoss9196 You were in Japan as an “EXPATRIATE” not as an immigrant. There is a huge difference there. I have been an expatriate in several countries throughout my career and always respected the culture and customs of each country in which I lived and worked but always knew that once the “job” I was doing came to an end I would return to my home country. The issues we are discussing at present is immigration and the fact that the modern “immigrants” do not assimilate or integrate, do not respect the culture of their new adopted country but expect to create a mini version of the country they left behind and their newly adopted country to accommodate this. It does not and will never work. It creates discord and resentment as we can see already. Particularly if the authorities treat the new arrivals as a “special case” and ignore the grievances of the native population.
Starmer thinks he can act presidentially because he has achieved a massive parliamentary victory. However, that victory is a mirage. It hides the fact that this is probably the most skewed result in British history - 34% of the vote on a 60% turnout but winning 63% of the seats. Starmer represents 20% of the British people.
He had 1.5% more votes than corbin, who lost massively. Once conservative voters realise reform are the only game in town, the Labour are cooked..... wait, sorry, I mean... Labour will be forced to cheat.
He did the classic lawyer response - he hid behind the law. But he's not DPP anymore, he's the PM and so he has to step beyond his lawyer background and reach into every community to pull together a proper solution. In short, he needs to demonstrate that he's not just a technocrat but a human being who can catch the mood of the nation and emote accordingly and appropriately to address the tensions.
@@MrXaphus Starmer 'catch the mood of the nation' ?.Dont make me laugh..He couldnt catch a cold.Totally lacking any 'sense' of the nation.Hes a bureuacrat at best.A fraud living out a fantasy
My god they are both so out of touch with whats actually going on. This doesnt have anything to do with english people not being inclusive. This process the UK is going through has happened in Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, Arabia, India, Turkey, Spain and the Balkans. Several times. Im an immigrant myself and english people are incredibly tolerant despite their arrogance sometimes, the fact that they allowed in cultures from all over the world to take root in their own country and tolerate them even when they been here for many generations and none of them tried to adapt is remarkable. In any other country if you dont adapt after 1 or 2 generations you get kicked out or worse. The english people should not put up with any sort of threat to their own existence, or any other country. Immigrants have the oblitation to adapt, not the other way round, and that means accepting and embracing the nations values and culture. That has not happened at all with certain communities, and that needs to be addressed
Can we remind ourselves that these riots were triggered by an act of violence and have taken place in areas that have suffered violence in the form of grooming gangs, stabbings and terrorism.
@@niriopBLM said nothing about grooming gangs and terrorism because they weren't happening in George Floyd's neighborhood. Not sure what you are talking about.
@@keithbentley6081 BLM said “black bodies” had “suffered violence”. Therefore rioting and looting. And now you’re also using abstracted out notions and tenuous connections to apologise for violence. That’s my point.
I come from the other end of the political spectrum to Paul Embery but it has to be said, he so often speaks the truth and common sense and is a good protector of the British working man, often pointing out how they always seem to have their noses rubbed in it, and especially by the modern Labour party. I forecast that this would happen with Starmer at the helm. IMO Andy Burnham would have made a far superior leader of the labour party, he has a much greater understanding of all Starmer's blind spots, of which there are many. You cannot ram N. London, metropolitan wokery down the throats of the majority of Brits, especially the working men and women. This is the result, the blame can be laid squarely at the feet of a blind and rather dim, Mr. Starmer.
He's been in office a matter of weeks, you really think these morons on the streets have undertaken an assessment of Labour 2024 and decided rioting is the only natural response?
@@heathercooper6043 Well none of them are much good but I feel that Burnham at least understands the British people and isn't a N. London leftie that's totally out of touch with the country. Farage is the only possibility that will put the country in order...
Paul Embery is absolutely right. This is not about race or immigration. This isn't the 1960s when The majority of British people had never met a POC. There's simply no economic or cultural reason for limitless or illegal migration. We have many overseas students in the University in our town and they're welcome, but we were absolutely maxxed out on taxi drivers and fast food shops 10 years ago.
@@NPC-st7zv and car-washes? ...we're sorted thanks. Another problem which people don't talk about is how many commercial properties are owned by investment companies that are based abroad. People forget that businesses are customers of other businesses and that money is no longer in the local economies. The only way to make money in our town centre would be opening yet another car-park.
Paul Embery is a national treasure. His experiences in Dagenham have been a brutal proving ground for the difficulties we are facing today. It is a pity there are not more of his ilk representing the interests of the actual communities who live with the tensions caused by mass immigration.
As far as this point about the "emergence of a white consciousness" I'd go further. Many people are now saying "native", because our skin colour isn't the foundation of our identities. Its the land of our ancestors; we'd almost forgotten, but we're beginning to remember.
I agree 100%. However, the left will reply with 2 things. 1. There is no such thing as a native British person because we were invaded a lot over 1000 years ago 2. What about the native people that we harmed during the days of Empire!
Refreshing to hear an honest conversation about these issues. I don’t think I ever heard a black woman acknowledge on TV, white people are discriminated against.
@@kurtfaber6159 Here's another one of Aristotle's sayings: "It is the mark of an enlightened mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
Two-Tier Keir and Yvette Cooper's response to these riots was already shockingly bad but for me the icing on the cake was the pair of them seemingly suggesting that people 'Whipping up hatred' online will face similar consequences to the rioters. What does 'Whipping up hatred' mean exactly? Probably anything critical of Dear Leader Starmer and his regime or anything critical of multiculturalism, mass migration or the rise of Islamism. Either way unless you are directly inciting specific acts of violence online, it is absolutely insane to imply that expressing critical views and saying things that go against your ideology on social media is the same as throwing a brick at a copper or setting hotels on fire. Never let a crisis go to waste, eh? Any excuse to further crack down on freedom of speech I guess!
It's insane; the erosion of civil liberties in the UK has been building up to this for the past 20 years. Who remembers the national identity card fiasco, scrapped in 2011. The overreach here is mind boggling; the suggestion that online comments equal "whipping up hatred" has a similar ring to that execrable hate speech thing up in Scotland.
"Whiping up hatred "..? Basically it means anyone who disagrees with mass uncontrolled immigration. Fear of losing one's job is normally enough to keep most people from expressing that opinion. Just like in former East Germany..?
You're getting close, but the fundamental issue is this: The indigenous Europeans by and large do not want to be turned into minorities in their own homelands via the mass-immigration of people who already have homelands of their own. If you want avoid a future like Lebanon or the breakup of Yugoslavia you must start by saying loudly and clearly that the long-established native European populations should remain the majorities in their respective countries. Other minorities can be treated fairly and decently, but if you don't accept the desire of the majority to remain a majority then you are in for a very rough future.
Lol too late. Europeans don't have enough children to replace them. Immigrants from Africa and the Middle East typically have several children. Europe will be majority POC within a decade, and there is nothing you can do about it.
As stated previously. The Killings of the Children in Southport was the spark that has triggered the mayhem. The middle class woke elite have ridiculed working class whites for decades.Its funny how Labour MPs in Asian Working class areas stand in Solidarity with them but the opposite happens in White Working class areas which are now just a sea of fast food restaurants (mainly halal) and so called Turkish barbers. The underpinning of white working class has been destroyed. Community centres, good employment, places that provide social interaction such as pubs are all gone. They have been told they are racist and been labelled as privileged when they have nothing. And they have been told that it is they who are responsible for the actions of their governments over the last few centuries. If these perspectives continue to dominate then the government and media and people like Starmer will radicalise more people to the far right. Then the real civil war will begin
Free education Free healthcare Endless apprenticeship programs Free food from banks if needed Reasonable infrastructure compared to other countries Easy to register to vote Free libraries Housing benefits Out of work benefits Disability benefits They are running around in their pyjamas setting buildings on fire and destroying libraries.
It's worse, they struggle and work hard to get enough to eat, housing and other basics such as heating while outsiders are given luxury accommodation, free food and an allowance to sit on their asses and harras the local girls. If Starmer doesn't do anything to relieve the pressure and just forces the hid back on the pressure cooker; the next time an immigrant murders a woman or child it will explode 100x worse.
3 decades of consecutive governments being voted in on the promise of reducing immigration, increasing it, ignoring the subsequent issues and creating laws that set up a two tier system is what led us here. The political class have abandoned the fundamental basics of what a democracy is supposed to be and led a significant portion of the public to feel like they are being backed into a corner.
I keep thinking back to the HareHills Riots and how the police just stood back, and I cant figure out if they didn't want to inflame tensions further or they just was happy to watch them burn their own community down. Either is terrible but which was it.
I must have have been living under a rock. First time i've listened to Paul Embery and am impressed how he articulated the issues at hand, the mistakes being made and how they cab be resolved. The voice of reason.
He's often on GB news. Even if you dont agree with him on a subject he presents himself and his argument with good humour and listens to the opposing view
Kier Starmer has been promotoed beyond his 'capability ' to cope. Many of the front bench also have, just because their in with the in-crowd of Labour...
Ah yes “The Peter Principle” at work. I read that book years ago, people get promoted until they get to their level of incompetence or else get moved “to the side”. Too right! The book is by Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull if anyone would like to find it.
Oh, he's an author and longtime trade unionist for the London Fire Brigade. Grew up in Barking & Dagenham. He's got a great book called Despised: Why Labour Hates the Working Class. I read it this past year and can thoroughly recommend it. It's a very readable and incisive analysis of the state of working-class Britain, and where mainstream politics has gone wrong in failing to understand its concerns.
The whole thing has been badly handled by the prime minister who has stepped into his prosecutor role and chosen a side to condemn and pursue. It feels like he has become a dictator.
@@niriop Well the palestinians hamas isis mobs can do whatever they bloody well want, while sticking the finger at the rest of the country with their arabic flags. Its like watching the Isis caliphate all over again while protected by the police.
Yes. The majority wanted lower immigration strongly from at least 25 years ago. .The political class has just ignored it even after the shock of Brexit they carried on not addressing it . The asylum system is unpopular. Govts either cut immigration / asylum or lose control of the streets to fascists and troublemakers
They can ignore the people as they will be in power for at least 10 years and the British PM has more power than the US President (fewer checks and balances). A dictatorship of the minority (25%).
@@Marvin-dg8vj The political class are clearly the real fascists who caused the trouble by not heeding the earlier warnings. The protestors are good people who are properly concerned and want their country back. They've been forced to become rioters because of the callous attitude of these fascist politicians.
Wait till all the Grandparents get on the. Street to protest in ther wheel chairs along with grandchildren , will the Media and government say they are Far Right hooligan’s! Ignore us at your peril, you have to listen to the remainder of the indigenous population of the United Kingdom,as it will get worse, stop pandering to the. ECHR that needs to be re written, If we carry on like this we may find we need to seek asylum, when they lock up grandparents, for any reason!
Brilliant comments and analysis by Inaya Folarin Iman and Paul Embery. We need intelligent and well informed commentators like these during these horrible times.
Yes, all Western nations need to stop immigration except spouses and minor exceptions. Wtf do we owe anyone anything. The tap needs to be not only stopped but sealed.
@manofculture584 diversity is proven to be of net loss to the community. It has been tested, and the evidence is in. Even university studies in the US and UK show diversity leads to lower trust levels and communal interaction. Logic over heart needs to be in charge.
It's really something when the world's richest man is more in touch with the voiceless and ignored ordinary man and working class in another country than the politicians and journalists of that very country.
are you seriously saying that after 1400 odd years, the only thing you can say about our culture is 'tolerance'? This is the problem, we should celebrate our culture, which is one of the oldest, and celebrate with those who want to come and do the same. I am with Mr Murray on this, though I applaud Paul Embrey for his candour.
So if I was a conspiracist - I would suggest that allowing these riots to continue for a period of time 1/ Results in broader condemnation and support from the general public of said rioters and their grievances. And 2/ Allows the government to introduce all sorts of emergency legislation on Social Media, Public Demonstrations, Surveillance etc.... and we take another step closer to dystopia. On the other hand maybe they are just inept......
Good take. At the so-called riots in London the police cordoned off areas where protesters were not allowed leave. They held them there for hours and then started arresting random people for "inciting violence against police officers" - it was just a number game. They could then tell the press the next day "we arrested 250 people blah blah blah". Some of the folks arrested were elderly men and women; just retired working class folks letting their voice be heard. It was disgusting. For those who are interested and want to see well shot, first hand footage that is unedited of this taking place please look up Wesley Winter, an interesting young guy documenting the uprising.
Ms. Folarin and Mr. Embery were spot on during this interview. Together they've clearly laid out the need to stop dividing the people of Britain and unit them as the great country they are. Europe certainly needs a united Britain, and in the days to come, I think everyone will.
Two of my favourite grounded commentators - giving a sensible and balanced take on the situation. Why the hell are ALL our politicians immune to this level of nuance ??
I agree, but Robinson can't be surprised when Farage refuses to cooperate with him when he has multiple criminal convictions for quite serious offences. We can't just pretend he hasn't got those criminal convictions.
Around 7:50: “how do we become more like Japan?” I’m not sure what to say! This is an awkward question- Japan is one of the most ethnically homogenous developed country at around 98% Japanese. It’s incredibly difficult for foreigners to acquire Japanese citizenship or buy land/property in Japan.
Very easy Starmer is on the wrong side. Instead of sympathising with English citizens who are at breaking point for being treated as second rate citizens in their own country, they are being attacked because they have hit breaking point. Instead of closing the boarders until the UK sorts itself out, migrants are being increasingly put before English Citizens. Has no one learnt anything from history, with so many revolutions throughout history, this is a no brainer. Immigration has never been good, it lowers job prospects, lowers wages, increases demand on resources and it’s a myth to think migrants add value. All of Europe is demonstrating it isn’t true. Also there is a difference between people wanting to integrate and people wanting to take over and control, sadly Islamic Extreme groups have no interest in changing, their beliefs are far to extreme to fit within the Western world.
IIRC Lammy criticised the lack of police info for causing a tense situation to turn into mob violence. Seems Miseryside Police didn't get the memo after Southport...and this time Lammy has nothing to say.
and? it has been excessively EVIDENT that "peaceful" and "democratic" means dont do anything. riots are the only way for half the country to be heard at this point. only marxists and women oppose them. which one are you?
@@pablodelnorte9746 Essentially yes. His attitude on the 2011 riots in his 2014 book to that on the riots of 2020 shifted radically. Now there’s been another reversal.
The Spectator and its contributors covering their arses. British Conservatism to a tee, really...spineless, and principles as immutable as a puff of cloud on a hot summer's day. They had 15 years to course-correct and completely failed.
The white far right are definitely there, saw a vid yesterday of Rotherham with a guy with a swas tattoed on his bare back. But equally far left communist Antifa currently promoting themselves as the good guys? It was Antifa who participated in smashing up predominantly black communities in America in 2020 and its laugable they are claiming to be anti racist. Antifa hate jews and BLM only mattered to them as a means to bring about the Anarcho Communist state they desire. Which they got with Chaz later Chop and immediately they had armed borders vetting who and who could not enter and ended up as warlord state that ended with the deaths of two unarmed teenage black men killed by armed Antifa.
Listen to what she has to say - they're both saying the same thing you dolt. HOw are we going to get anywhere if people switch off based on a bleeding word
" Anyone who had contact with these communities " .. Embery actually said that as if the English working class were the same as some reclusive Amazonian lost tribe.
He also refers to Japan which is completely homogenous! Although he admits it later. Integration has failed. Multiculturism has failed. The only route out is something radical or there will be civil war!
@@andrewlesterthomas5581Japan isn't as homogenous as you might think. There are a significant minority of Koreans who were brought there during WW2 to work and their descendants still live there. They have Korean language school also. They have their own societal tensions most in the West are unaware of.
@@ajikpajik9331 You mean one ethic immigration cohort which - I assume - is similar in culture and heritage along with ethnicity. There is no equivalence. We have been forced to take in the world and mainly the third world, its values, standards and belief systems.
Sir Two Tier Keir was all too comfortable calling an emergency cabinet meeting this morning. Probably sat shoes off, feet on the table feeling oh so relaxed with like minded folk. However he's too cowardly to recall Parliament because he's afraid of being asked awkward questions and being made to see/admit the truth of why the UK is witnessing such chaos. Sending ❤ to everyone from a "far right" Geordie. 😂
As a citizen, I believe my government should represent me, not the world! My country's government should work on behalf of my country, first! My tax dollars should go to my roads not some road halfway across the world! If my government wants to call me "the bad guy," for this, they are not my government.
How can we become a little more like Japan and a little less like Lebanon Paul. Perhaps adjust the demographics? Japan has a population of 125.1 million people and only 100,000 are Muslims. Lebanon was once a peaceful Christian coumtry until invaded by Hezbullah and "refugees". The answer is in the question.
Japan is a very poor example to aspire to. Its a very broken society. High national debt, severe population decline that will destroy its economy within 50 years. Average working day upwards of 14 hours, high cost of living and high sexual crime rate due to the loss of social skills in society replaced by tech hermit lifestyle. I challenge you to research the Hikikomori. An entire generation who have no social skills, no wish to procreate and no ability to attain property & assets whose only purpose will be to fund an ageing populations health care.
Japan is a terrible example to aspire to. Its a severely broken society. High debt to GDP, high cost of living, fastest population decline in the modernised nations which is set to destroy its economy within 50 years. High sexual crime rate partially to do with the fact an entire generation lack social skills living a tech hermit lifestyle, the expectance to work 16 hour days and a high ageing population which cannot be sustained by the taxation of the younger generation for much longer. 2 decades at best. I challenge you to research the Hikikomori or the businessmen who sleep as drunks in the street due to office burnout. Britain should not be wishing for such a dystopia.
@@ljt3084 The point isn't that Japan is perfect or doesn't have it's own problems. The point is that so far they've mostly avoided adding some of the problems we have on top of the ones they already have. Things can always get worse.
Inaya Folarin Iman speaks well - sensible, coherent, original, and right on point. Paul Embury is refreshing to hear - straight to the key point, which is being ignored by almost everyone. Well done Spectator.
It’s a relief for me to hear such a measured and courteous discussion. Over the years my family have spoken often about how difficult it is for people to adapt to the societal changes which come with a huge influx of people who might have very different norms of behaviour. I was born in the mid 50s in Wolverhampton. The rapidity of change there gave rise to the infamous conversation between Enoch Powell and one of his constituents complaining about how she didn’t feel at home on her street anymore because of the huge and rapid change of its ‘culture’. This conversation led to Powell’s even more infamous speech in which he quoted a prophecy from the Aeneid in which the River Tiber was foreseen foaming with blood. Not a politically sensitive speech, nor many might say, a humanly sensitive speech. It touched many nerves. We didn’t have the phrase ‘politically incorrect’ back then, but Powell discovered what it meant in 1968. I wonder if his insensitivity and his naively brutal choice of classical quotes and the reaction to them rather than to the legitimate disquiet which provoked them might have set back an open and compassionate conversation about these issues nearly 60 years?
Excellent points by all the speakers, in identifying the underlying problems caused by those very same ideological masters who claim to know how to fix them, and never will; thank you.
We live in a post digital age, where on-line coexists with other aspects of our world. We can almost imagine 500 years ago, authorities get angry with the printing press for exacerbating trouble in early 16th century Europe.
Another excellent conversation at the SPECTATOR. It is a great relief to have media of your quality and seriousness at our disposal. Thank you so much for your commitment to truth and reason. A big fan from Switzerland.
This is the first time I've ever come across either Paul Embery or Inaya Folarin Iman but wow, I was impressed with both of them and their well put arguments. Unfortunately little evidence so far that Westminster is ready for an honest debate to the limits of mass immigration and its effects on the cohesion of British society.
The main answer to this is to stop illegal immigration and deport those who enter illegally. This Labour government seems to be even more unwilling to do this than the last Conservative government which indicates that there is a wider agenda at play. Banning online content and attempting to hide from sight the way different races and communities are treat will inflame the situation further. Who is the Labour government appeasing by removing winter fuel allowances from the elderly and means testing them as their first priority?
Legal immigration is a far bigger problem. We also need to deport all criminals with a right to a foreign passport, and ban halal, kosher and circumcision, with life sentences for breaking these laws. Lots would leave of their own accord.
There's already a waiting list of at least 20,000 Afghan refugees who have been promised asylum in Britain by Labour. Think that's bad..? They've also been promised family reunion once they get here so multiply by 5.....??
Minimise legal immigration and minimise issue of new visas based on high skills only, stop illegal immigration and repatriate them quickly. The same with criminals. Give preference to migrants from western and Christian countries. Those from active warzones, accept the women and children and look after them until the war ends. After a few years when we're more stable then we can look at loosening it again.
I lived in one of those areas for many years and it was a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. Not that the rioting over the past few days should be tolerated at all - it is completely unacceptable behaviour and they should be punished. I’m concerned however that the underlying issues will be once again brushed under the carpet and that is not what is needed. We need to have an open discussion it as Inaya rightly mentioned.
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Great discussion on the IUK problems. I wish the mainstream media and politicians would stop banging on about Tommy Robison and the far right and have a more serious conversation like this.
The UK mainstream media also has to play its role in public education with accurate reports. It has to correct the misinformation. The villain' s real identity which is a significant source of the problem has to be made crystal clear and repeatedly made known to the general public. Educational institutions and schools must also help in promoting racial harmony.
Where the latter will be all about how dreadful our ancestry and past were, and we had no culture or society until we had mass immigration and diversity.
At last! Sane conversation! Why does this never happen in Parliament? They are so shit scared of being called racists. It's kids stuff! Face the realities! But, honestly, I think it all too late. Ordinary people like me are ANGRY. I am not far right, but I HAVE had enough.
Certain Companies like MITIE have been making massive profits out of the Immigration crisis. They gave getting Contracts like Sweeties being handed out in a sweet shop. Two Conservative Donors who work for MITIE have donated a staggering amount to the Tory Party. We've yet to find out if Labour gave been getting these donations from MITIE. And how many MPs have shares in this Company and other Companies who have Home Office Immigration Contracts. An MP last year tried to raise the matter of how MITIE who keeps getting involved in scandals and ballsing up the Home Office Contracts keep getting them? This MP was shouted down by other MPs . The Government and MPs are making hand over fist in money. It's all about money at the end of the day. That's why you will never see the boats stopped.
This has been going on since the 1960s If the 'government' was to admit the problem we could work to solve it but to call all those concerned 'far right' just makes any chance remote. I after over 70 years have no idea of a way out!
Our established politicians and mainstream media will literally do and say anything rather than admit that uncontrolled immigration is a problem. It's actually quite remarkable . Suicidal one might say..? I think they just might be about to actually confront the issue...after 20 years of lying.
Labour under Starmer's leadership will undoubtably use this situation to bring in restrictions - just what is not needed, and will cause even more tension going forward.
Oh the irony. Starmer says 99% of British people want to feel safe. That is what caused the protests, people haven't felt safe before the protests and that is why they were protesting.starmer is devisive and his language is making things so much worse.
Pondering in Lebanon did not work, its not working in UK, France, Sweden, Philippines, Yugoslavia, Thailand, north African countries, why you think it will work anywhere else?
i was listening to a podcast yesterday, in the last year japan has had 330,000 people settle there. japan seems to be becoming more like us than we like them.
Now oddly enough in recent years I've known a fair few on the left who have visited Japan and they absolutely rave about it to the point of wishing to live there. So dim witted are they that they cannot see it is such a nice place built on all the things they say are not progressive. Socially conservative, very low immigration, respectful of their culture and elderly and more besides that these same people will foam at the mouth about if tried here.
When he said that it immediately didn't make sense - I lived in Japan and like the interviewer pointed out, we would need to go back in time. Even Japan's landscape is changing and they have increased immigration.
Starmer inflamed the situation by saying one group needed clobbering and another group needed protecting, when he should have just said ALL lawlessness by anyone will be punished, whatever their political, religious or ethnic affiliation. His speech just reinforced the two-tier perception.
Exactly
You have it right in one go. Exactly the problem. Bias does nothing to solve the problem.
He wouldn't say ALL lawlessness will be punished...because he has no intention of putting that into practice. He's an absolute gonner.
"just said ALL lawlessness by anyone"
Reminds me of this situation:
"All Live Matter"
Raising accusations of racism. Never understood what the fuss was about.
Correct, only it's not a 'perception' but a reality. I've seen it, and was shocked as I'd previously just thought it was people whingeing. Others have noted it too and they are people of reason and fairness, as much as the left/media etc. would love to paint them all as ill informed and ill educated thugs that just isn't the case.
Elon Musk is not in trouble. Starmer is in trouble. The political class and their media mates are so out of touch. They should move to Rotherham, Bradford, Leicester or Birmingham for a month.
God forbid, they might meet some of those *dreadful* working class people.
He is blinkered to Muslim mass rapes of our women and did nothing about it when he was chief Justice minister. Some justice.
Don't start any sht with Elon Musk.... he's got ballistic missiles!
Exactly. Martin Luther King said "riot is the language of the unheard". So much could be resolved if the political class had listened to the public's concerns instead of dismissing them.
They will never have to live with the consequences of their grandiose grandstanding bleeding heart liberal and sanctimonious decision making - They play with pleb lives as little boys play with flys (or was it gods something, i forget the quote).
What has "exacerbated the problem" is the way in which the politicians have ignored repeated calls to curb immigration, which has changed, and will continue to change, the nature of our society. I fear that is too late now.
Hopefully not, but I share your worry of it!
@@HydraulicJack Britain is the new Balkans.
"have ignored repeated calls"
Yes and they NEVER EVER asked anyone - no Manifesto EVER featured Mass Migration. And Blair deliberately conspired to - "rub" mass migration.... To deliberately change demographics irreversibly (also for votes).......
@@HydraulicJack It has been estimated that if all immigration were halted tomorrow, due to the birth rate differences, whites will be a minority in the UK within 30 years, and the main political force will be eye slam.
Let us hope not. That turned out well.
By "taking the knee" in response to disturbances several years ago, and then reacting to the current disturbances in the way he has, Starmer has shown his true colours.
The label "Two-tier Kier" is more than apt
The leader of STAMAS.
I agree.
He couldn’t define what a woman is 😂
I'm ancient enough to remember the 1981 disturbances in Brixton and Toxteth featuring predominantly black rioters. Commentators were quick to lambast them and say how terrible it all was, but other voices were also heard, arguing that the riots didn't just occur in a vacuum and that discrimination by the police and other authorities had played its part. Changes were then brought about. Similarly the current unrest in Britain's cities is being blamed on 'far-right thugs' by the Prime Minister, ably demonstrating his people skills and political acumen. It is quite obvious to anyone with half a brain that these awful scenes didn't just pop up out of nowhere. An honest, national conversation is urgent and necessary.
I thought TR was teleporting from town to town
@@youtubeyoutube936You mean he isn't?!
I think the salient point here is that the Leeds riots had politicians saying they need to engage with community leaders to understand the underlying issues yet these current riots have received just the stick.....
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Agree with Paul here, living in Japan as a UK expat I wanted Japan to be Japan and tried my best to learn the language and respect the customs/culture
but I then realized if I wanted that for Japan why would I not want it for Britain
This comment does not make much sense. Why should wanting Japan to be Japan automatically go hand-in-hand with NOT wanting the same thing for your home country? Your "but then I realised ..." indicates that you were living in some sort of "progressive liberal" dreamland. Fortunately, you seem to have woken up.
@DieFlabbergast I think you mis read, I meant it does go hand in hand not that it doesn't 😉
@@christianmoss9196 You were in Japan as an “EXPATRIATE” not as an immigrant. There is a huge difference there. I have been an expatriate in several countries throughout my career and always respected the culture and customs of each country in which I lived and worked but always knew that once the “job” I was doing came to an end I would return to my home country. The issues we are discussing at present is immigration and the fact that the modern “immigrants” do not assimilate or integrate, do not respect the culture of their new adopted country but expect to create a mini version of the country they left behind and their newly adopted country to accommodate this. It does not and will never work. It creates discord and resentment as we can see already. Particularly if the authorities treat the new arrivals as a “special case” and ignore the grievances of the native population.
Labour are out of their depth…
Two-tier Keir is a complete dud.
Tories would be too
Toroes were impotent. But at least they could say what the problem is. Two Tier Kier can't even pay lip service
@@zoot4358
Yes. Labour out of their depth. I agree with the bot.
@@zoot4358 Well done. You've identified the nature of the Uniparty
What about the far left agitators?
💯 % agree!!
Or government agitators?
They always get a free pass.
@@dpstrial because the left and far left control the narrative.
Evidence or source?
Starmer thinks he can act presidentially because he has achieved a massive parliamentary victory. However, that victory is a mirage. It hides the fact that this is probably the most skewed result in British history - 34% of the vote on a 60% turnout but winning 63% of the seats. Starmer represents 20% of the British people.
He had 1.5% more votes than corbin, who lost massively. Once conservative voters realise reform are the only game in town, the Labour are cooked..... wait, sorry, I mean... Labour will be forced to cheat.
Tha real culprits of this sorry mess are the smug deluded people who never bothered to vote.They cannot be part of any fraction/% equation.
@@mrgabagoo580 And most of that was a vote against an insipid and disappointing Tory government, rather than a vote for his platform.
He did the classic lawyer response - he hid behind the law. But he's not DPP anymore, he's the PM and so he has to step beyond his lawyer background and reach into every community to pull together a proper solution. In short, he needs to demonstrate that he's not just a technocrat but a human being who can catch the mood of the nation and emote accordingly and appropriately to address the tensions.
@@MrXaphus Starmer 'catch the mood of the nation' ?.Dont make me laugh..He couldnt catch a cold.Totally lacking any 'sense' of the nation.Hes a bureuacrat at best.A fraud living out a fantasy
My god they are both so out of touch with whats actually going on.
This doesnt have anything to do with english people not being inclusive. This process the UK is going through has happened in Iran, Lebanon, Egypt, Arabia, India, Turkey, Spain and the Balkans. Several times. Im an immigrant myself and english people are incredibly tolerant despite their arrogance sometimes, the fact that they allowed in cultures from all over the world to take root in their own country and tolerate them even when they been here for many generations and none of them tried to adapt is remarkable. In any other country if you dont adapt after 1 or 2 generations you get kicked out or worse. The english people should not put up with any sort of threat to their own existence, or any other country. Immigrants have the oblitation to adapt, not the other way round, and that means accepting and embracing the nations values and culture. That has not happened at all with certain communities, and that needs to be addressed
You get it 👍
Can we remind ourselves that these riots were triggered by an act of violence and have taken place in areas that have suffered violence in the form of grooming gangs, stabbings and terrorism.
BLM-ers said a very similar thing.
@@niriopBLM said nothing about grooming gangs and terrorism because they weren't happening in George Floyd's neighborhood. Not sure what you are talking about.
Yes, that’s the aspect the establishment ignore. They won’t address their own failings
@@niriop They recieved a very different response. Not contempt.
@@keithbentley6081 BLM said “black bodies” had “suffered violence”. Therefore rioting and looting.
And now you’re also using abstracted out notions and tenuous connections to apologise for violence.
That’s my point.
I come from the other end of the political spectrum to Paul Embery but it has to be said, he so often speaks the truth and common sense and is a good protector of the British working man, often pointing out how they always seem to have their noses rubbed in it, and especially by the modern Labour party. I forecast that this would happen with Starmer at the helm. IMO Andy Burnham would have made a far superior leader of the labour party, he has a much greater understanding of all Starmer's blind spots, of which there are many. You cannot ram N. London, metropolitan wokery down the throats of the majority of Brits, especially the working men and women. This is the result, the blame can be laid squarely at the feet of a blind and rather dim, Mr. Starmer.
He's been in office a matter of weeks, you really think these morons on the streets have undertaken an assessment of Labour 2024 and decided rioting is the only natural response?
I doubt it would be much different under Burnham, certainly not for the English
Andy Burnham tried blocking the publication of the oldham grooming gang report, resulting inn central government having to get involved
Nah, Burnham seemed OK 15 years ago, but the way he has run Manchester has been horrific, he protects the Muslim cartel.
@@heathercooper6043 Well none of them are much good but I feel that Burnham at least understands the British people and isn't a N. London leftie that's totally out of touch with the country. Farage is the only possibility that will put the country in order...
Paul Embery is absolutely right. This is not about race or immigration. This isn't the 1960s when The majority of British people had never met a POC. There's simply no economic or cultural reason for limitless or illegal migration. We have many overseas students in the University in our town and they're welcome, but we were absolutely maxxed out on taxi drivers and fast food shops 10 years ago.
British people like Hindus, they like Sikhs and they like Buddhists. Not so keen on the other lot though and who can blame them!
Why attack mosques, Muslims, people of color of its not about race
Sounds like you need some barbers and phone accessories shops.
@@NPC-st7zv and car-washes? ...we're sorted thanks. Another problem which people don't talk about is how many commercial properties are owned by investment companies that are based abroad. People forget that businesses are customers of other businesses and that money is no longer in the local economies. The only way to make money in our town centre would be opening yet another car-park.
It's about Islam.
Paul Embery is a national treasure. His experiences in Dagenham have been a brutal proving ground for the difficulties we are facing today. It is a pity there are not more of his ilk representing the interests of the actual communities who live with the tensions caused by mass immigration.
As far as this point about the "emergence of a white consciousness" I'd go further. Many people are now saying "native", because our skin colour isn't the foundation of our identities.
Its the land of our ancestors; we'd almost forgotten, but we're beginning to remember.
I agree 100%. However, the left will reply with 2 things. 1. There is no such thing as a native British person because we were invaded a lot over 1000 years ago 2. What about the native people that we harmed during the days of Empire!
i personally use the word indigenous
@@Tree_a_Boar also an accurate description yes 👍
French here, that's right ! Our thousands of years of history and the sacrifices made by our ancestors will never be forgotten !
I'm also "indigenous" ...... the word "British" has as little meaning as the words "Far Right" and "Freedom of Expression" nowadays.
Refreshing to hear an honest conversation about these issues. I don’t think I ever heard a black woman acknowledge on TV, white people are discriminated against.
One swallow does not a summer make. It's not even close.
@@kurtfaber6159 Here's another one of Aristotle's sayings: "It is the mark of an enlightened mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
Two-Tier Keir and Yvette Cooper's response to these riots was already shockingly bad but for me the icing on the cake was the pair of them seemingly suggesting that people 'Whipping up hatred' online will face similar consequences to the rioters. What does 'Whipping up hatred' mean exactly? Probably anything critical of Dear Leader Starmer and his regime or anything critical of multiculturalism, mass migration or the rise of Islamism. Either way unless you are directly inciting specific acts of violence online, it is absolutely insane to imply that expressing critical views and saying things that go against your ideology on social media is the same as throwing a brick at a copper or setting hotels on fire. Never let a crisis go to waste, eh? Any excuse to further crack down on freedom of speech I guess!
It's insane; the erosion of civil liberties in the UK has been building up to this for the past 20 years. Who remembers the national identity card fiasco, scrapped in 2011. The overreach here is mind boggling; the suggestion that online comments equal "whipping up hatred" has a similar ring to that execrable hate speech thing up in Scotland.
"Whiping up hatred "..? Basically it means anyone who disagrees with mass uncontrolled immigration. Fear of losing one's
job is normally enough to keep
most people from expressing
that opinion. Just like in former
East Germany..?
The truth is the govt's Achilles heel, hence they must try to silence, shame or discredit dis senters.
You're getting close, but the fundamental issue is this: The indigenous Europeans by and large do not want to be turned into minorities in their own homelands via the mass-immigration of people who already have homelands of their own. If you want avoid a future like Lebanon or the breakup of Yugoslavia you must start by saying loudly and clearly that the long-established native European populations should remain the majorities in their respective countries. Other minorities can be treated fairly and decently, but if you don't accept the desire of the majority to remain a majority then you are in for a very rough future.
Quite
Well said
Yes. The liberal left clamoured for
Indigenous Rights in New Caledonia recently ....and in Canada / NZ and Australia.
Everywhere but Europe ...?!?!
Excellent comment
Lol too late. Europeans don't have enough children to replace them. Immigrants from Africa and the Middle East typically have several children. Europe will be majority POC within a decade, and there is nothing you can do about it.
They don't want it to stop.
It is part of the plan.
Exactly 🎯!!
Miliband's eco-communist police state demands the existence of the permacrisis.
@@andrewhotston983 Yes, it would! 💯%.
"the plan" (TM)
sure
Globalists versus the people
As stated previously. The Killings of the Children in Southport was the spark that has triggered the mayhem. The middle class woke elite have ridiculed working class whites for decades.Its funny how Labour MPs in Asian Working class areas stand in Solidarity with them but the opposite happens in White Working class areas which are now just a sea of fast food restaurants (mainly halal) and so called Turkish barbers. The underpinning of white working class has been destroyed. Community centres, good employment, places that provide social interaction such as pubs are all gone. They have been told they are racist and been labelled as privileged when they have nothing. And they have been told that it is they who are responsible for the actions of their governments over the last few centuries. If these perspectives continue to dominate then the government and media and people like Starmer will radicalise more people to the far right. Then the real civil war will begin
@@Tayloradrift *murder
Free education
Free healthcare
Endless apprenticeship programs
Free food from banks if needed
Reasonable infrastructure compared to other countries
Easy to register to vote
Free libraries
Housing benefits
Out of work benefits
Disability benefits
They are running around in their pyjamas setting buildings on fire and destroying libraries.
It's worse, they struggle and work hard to get enough to eat, housing and other basics such as heating while outsiders are given luxury accommodation, free food and an allowance to sit on their asses and harras the local girls.
If Starmer doesn't do anything to relieve the pressure and just forces the hid back on the pressure cooker; the next time an immigrant murders a woman or child it will explode 100x worse.
@@RogerS1978 It will happen
She said Far Right. I stop listening . Good Night. Sir.
Don't blame you. We have had enough of this!
When you're that far left, everyone else looks "far right"
Same here
Problem is - every institution is "that far left".
Exactly
3 decades of consecutive governments being voted in on the promise of reducing immigration, increasing it, ignoring the subsequent issues and creating laws that set up a two tier system is what led us here. The political class have abandoned the fundamental basics of what a democracy is supposed to be and led a significant portion of the public to feel like they are being backed into a corner.
Well said 👍
Having One Law, for all, would help.
Outrageous!!!!
@@andrewhotston983
I do mean One Law, as defined by Parliament and the Justice System, in England and Wales. Ditto for Scotland.
@@NorfolkSceptic Thanks to Blair's Supreme Court, judges now tell the government what to do. That's a big part of the problem.
I keep thinking back to the HareHills Riots and how the police just stood back, and I cant figure out if they didn't want to inflame tensions further or they just was happy to watch them burn their own community down. Either is terrible but which was it.
There used to be. Mrs May did a lot of damage with her 'protected characteristics'
I must have have been living under a rock. First time i've listened to Paul Embery and am impressed how he articulated the issues at hand, the mistakes being made and how they cab be resolved. The voice of reason.
He wrote a book called Despised: Why Labour Hates the Modern Left. Really recommend it.
I have heard him talk before and he is impressive.
Thank you!
Have you ever heard of Douglas Murray?
He's often on GB news. Even if you dont agree with him on a subject he presents himself and his argument with good humour and listens to the opposing view
Paul Embery calmly and clearly has it right
Kier Starmer has been promotoed beyond his 'capability ' to cope. Many of the front bench also have, just because their in with the in-crowd of Labour...
Ah yes “The Peter Principle” at work. I read that book years ago, people get promoted until they get to their level of incompetence or else get moved “to the side”. Too right! The book is by Laurence J. Peter and Raymond Hull if anyone would like to find it.
Totally agree most of his cabinet have no experience in anything especially being in Government
Never heard of Paul Embery (I'm not on social media) but he is spot on. Who ever he is, he talks a lot of sense and should have a much higher profile.
Oh, he's an author and longtime trade unionist for the London Fire Brigade. Grew up in Barking & Dagenham.
He's got a great book called Despised: Why Labour Hates the Working Class. I read it this past year and can thoroughly recommend it. It's a very readable and incisive analysis of the state of working-class Britain, and where mainstream politics has gone wrong in failing to understand its concerns.
Often on GBNEWS.
Yes he’s great & so is she. So good to hear intelligent, educated people with moderate, insightful & common sense views
The whole thing has been badly handled by the prime minister who has stepped into his prosecutor role and chosen a side to condemn and pursue. It feels like he has become a dictator.
So you’d prefer if the rioters got off?
@@niriop Well the palestinians hamas isis mobs can do whatever they bloody well want, while sticking the finger at the rest of the country with their arabic flags. Its like watching the Isis caliphate all over again while protected by the police.
Ignore the people at your peril.
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Yes. The majority wanted lower immigration strongly from at least 25 years ago. .The political class has just ignored it even after the shock of Brexit they carried on not addressing it .
The asylum system is unpopular.
Govts either cut immigration / asylum or lose control of the streets to fascists and troublemakers
They can ignore the people as they will be in power for at least 10 years and the British PM has more power than the US President (fewer checks and balances). A dictatorship of the minority (25%).
@@Marvin-dg8vj The political class are clearly the real fascists who caused the trouble by not heeding the earlier warnings. The protestors are good people who are properly concerned and want their country back. They've been forced to become rioters because of the callous attitude of these fascist politicians.
Wait till all the Grandparents get on the. Street to protest in ther wheel chairs along with grandchildren , will the Media and government say they are Far Right hooligan’s! Ignore us at your peril, you have to listen to the remainder of the indigenous population of the United Kingdom,as it will get worse, stop pandering to the. ECHR that needs to be re written, If we carry on like this we may find we need to seek asylum, when they lock up grandparents, for any reason!
The adult conversation the BBC refuses to have.
Very impressed with Paul Emberry’s analysis
Brilliant comments and analysis by Inaya Folarin Iman and Paul Embery. We need intelligent and well informed commentators like these during these horrible times.
Would it be an intelligent thing to cancel all immigration for 50 years legal and illegal
It won't be intelligent
@@manofculture584 Why not?
Yes, all Western nations need to stop immigration except spouses and minor exceptions. Wtf do we owe anyone anything. The tap needs to be not only stopped but sealed.
@manofculture584 diversity is proven to be of net loss to the community. It has been tested, and the evidence is in. Even university studies in the US and UK show diversity leads to lower trust levels and communal interaction. Logic over heart needs to be in charge.
@@ajs41 - because it is too restrictive. Not all immigration is bad. Too much immigration is wholeheartedly bad though
It's really something when the world's richest man is more in touch with the voiceless and ignored ordinary man and working class in another country than the politicians and journalists of that very country.
are you seriously saying that after 1400 odd years, the only thing you can say about our culture is 'tolerance'? This is the problem, we should celebrate our culture, which is one of the oldest, and celebrate with those who want to come and do the same. I am with Mr Murray on this, though I applaud Paul Embrey for his candour.
Well said Paul, what a shame our politicians won’t watch this video
So if I was a conspiracist - I would suggest that allowing these riots to continue for a period of time 1/ Results in broader condemnation and support from the general public of said rioters and their grievances. And 2/ Allows the government to introduce all sorts of emergency legislation on Social Media, Public Demonstrations, Surveillance etc.... and we take another step closer to dystopia.
On the other hand maybe they are just inept......
They haven't got any grievances, if they did they'd protest instead of rioting.
Barry, also known as 'problem, reaction, solution'.
Unfortuntely, their being inept is the best case scenrio. I hope to God that they're inept. Because if this is deliberate...
Good take. At the so-called riots in London the police cordoned off areas where protesters were not allowed leave. They held them there for hours and then started arresting random people for "inciting violence against police officers" - it was just a number game. They could then tell the press the next day "we arrested 250 people blah blah blah". Some of the folks arrested were elderly men and women; just retired working class folks letting their voice be heard. It was disgusting. For those who are interested and want to see well shot, first hand footage that is unedited of this taking place please look up Wesley Winter, an interesting young guy documenting the uprising.
State capacity has been severely weakened by years of Tory austerity and under-investment across basically all areas.
Ms. Folarin and Mr. Embery were spot on during this interview. Together they've clearly laid out the need to stop dividing the people of Britain and unit them as the great country they are. Europe certainly needs a united Britain, and in the days to come, I think everyone will.
I don't understand how we have so many well informed commentators, and so many brainless politicians.
Two of my favourite grounded commentators - giving a sensible and balanced take on the situation.
Why the hell are ALL our politicians immune to this level of nuance ??
Tommy Robinson told the truth
I agree, but Robinson can't be surprised when Farage refuses to cooperate with him when he has multiple criminal convictions for quite serious offences. We can't just pretend he hasn't got those criminal convictions.
Around 7:50: “how do we become more like Japan?” I’m not sure what to say! This is an awkward question- Japan is one of the most ethnically homogenous developed country at around 98% Japanese. It’s incredibly difficult for foreigners to acquire Japanese citizenship or buy land/property in Japan.
Very easy Starmer is on the wrong side.
Instead of sympathising with English citizens who are at breaking point for being treated as second rate citizens in their own country, they are being attacked because they have hit breaking point.
Instead of closing the boarders until the UK sorts itself out, migrants are being increasingly put before English Citizens.
Has no one learnt anything from history, with so many revolutions throughout history, this is a no brainer.
Immigration has never been good, it lowers job prospects, lowers wages, increases demand on resources and it’s a myth to think migrants add value. All of Europe is demonstrating it isn’t true.
Also there is a difference between people wanting to integrate and people wanting to take over and control, sadly Islamic
Extreme groups have no interest in changing, their beliefs are far to extreme to fit within the Western world.
Excellent discussion -- thank you to everyone.
Even handed debate, you forget british have indigenous people and should be recognized
In 2017, the British people voted for Brexit and a halt to immigration but their leaders ignored their will. That's the root of this problem.
David Inflammatory Lammy.
I watched him incite the riots in 2011.
Where was this?
IIRC Lammy criticised the lack of police info for causing a tense situation to turn into mob violence. Seems Miseryside Police didn't get the memo after Southport...and this time Lammy has nothing to say.
and?
it has been excessively EVIDENT that "peaceful" and "democratic" means dont do anything. riots are the only way for half the country to be heard at this point. only marxists and women oppose them. which one are you?
I'm no fan of Lammy but from memory in 2011 he was actually trying to calm things down and he was very critical of rioters .
@@pablodelnorte9746 Essentially yes.
His attitude on the 2011 riots in his 2014 book to that on the riots of 2020 shifted radically. Now there’s been another reversal.
She said far right - immediately don’t trust her word salad
The Spectator and its contributors covering their arses. British Conservatism to a tee, really...spineless, and principles as immutable as a puff of cloud on a hot summer's day. They had 15 years to course-correct and completely failed.
The white far right are definitely there, saw a vid yesterday of Rotherham with a guy with a swas tattoed on his bare back. But equally far left communist Antifa currently promoting themselves as the good guys? It was Antifa who participated in smashing up predominantly black communities in America in 2020 and its laugable they are claiming to be anti racist. Antifa hate jews and BLM only mattered to them as a means to bring about the Anarcho Communist state they desire. Which they got with Chaz later Chop and immediately they had armed borders vetting who and who could not enter and ended up as warlord state that ended with the deaths of two unarmed teenage black men killed by armed Antifa.
Same
Listen to what she has to say - they're both saying the same thing you dolt. HOw are we going to get anywhere if people switch off based on a bleeding word
Just waiting for the word “INSURRECTION “ to come out of Starmers mouth seeing as he’s following the democrats playbook !
And the truckers in Canada, too. Where the liberal RCMP brutally trampled old women and pensioners. Lovely tolerant bunch, these lefties.
@@brianstubberfield2116 he's already insinuating that by attacking Reform mps saying they are inflaming the rioters actions.
Iman here called it the "CARNAGE" of January 6
How bad is this crisis? A lot worse than any members of the establishment elite believe, by definition.
@@brianstubberfield2116 he’ll be freezing bank accounts in no time
Paul is great . Very moderate and well balanced. I bet he gets a lot of stick from the lefties 😮
I am getting a feeling - I don’t think many people like the new prime minister .
LOL
" Anyone who had contact with these communities " .. Embery actually said that as if the English working class were the same as some reclusive Amazonian lost tribe.
They are like that to the majority of MPs.
@@terrytheoldgoatexactly
He also refers to Japan which is completely homogenous! Although he admits it later. Integration has failed. Multiculturism has failed. The only route out is something radical or there will be civil war!
@@andrewlesterthomas5581Japan isn't as homogenous as you might think. There are a significant minority of Koreans who were brought there during WW2 to work and their descendants still live there. They have Korean language school also. They have their own societal tensions most in the West are unaware of.
@@ajikpajik9331 You mean one ethic immigration cohort which - I assume - is similar in culture and heritage along with ethnicity. There is no equivalence. We have been forced to take in the world and mainly the third world, its values, standards and belief systems.
Thank you, Paul, for acknowledging the issues behind current unrest on our streets.
Substantive, respectful & insightful.👍
Sir Two Tier Keir was all too comfortable calling an emergency cabinet meeting this morning. Probably sat shoes off, feet on the table feeling oh so relaxed with like minded folk. However he's too cowardly to recall Parliament because he's afraid of being asked awkward questions and being made to see/admit the truth of why the UK is witnessing such chaos. Sending ❤ to everyone from a "far right" Geordie. 😂
Straight back at ya ❤ we will win
This was a very good analysis and discussion thank you.
Two Tier Kier even has a special tax exemption passed by act of Parliament especially for him by name.
Now that’s definitely two tier
As a citizen, I believe my government should represent me, not the world!
My country's government should work on behalf of my country, first!
My tax dollars should go to my roads not some road halfway across the world!
If my government wants to call me "the bad guy," for this, they are not my government.
Ask the working class. Not these people.
How can we become a little more like Japan and a little less like Lebanon Paul. Perhaps adjust the demographics? Japan has a population of 125.1 million people and only 100,000 are Muslims. Lebanon was once a peaceful Christian coumtry until invaded by Hezbullah and "refugees". The answer is in the question.
Unfortunately you are 100 percent correct, If Starmer brings in Islamaphobia laws we will be inexorably on the path to Lebanonisation.
Japan is a very poor example to aspire to.
Its a very broken society.
High national debt, severe population decline that will destroy its economy within 50 years. Average working day upwards of 14 hours, high cost of living and high sexual crime rate due to the loss of social skills in society replaced by tech hermit lifestyle.
I challenge you to research the Hikikomori.
An entire generation who have no social skills, no wish to procreate and no ability to attain property & assets whose only purpose will be to fund an ageing populations health care.
Japan is a terrible example to aspire to.
Its a severely broken society.
High debt to GDP, high cost of living, fastest population decline in the modernised nations which is set to destroy its economy within 50 years.
High sexual crime rate partially to do with the fact an entire generation lack social skills living a tech hermit lifestyle, the expectance to work 16 hour days and a high ageing population which cannot be sustained by the taxation of the younger generation for much longer. 2 decades at best.
I challenge you to research the Hikikomori or the businessmen who sleep as drunks in the street due to office burnout.
Britain should not be wishing for such a dystopia.
@@ljt3084 I did not put Japan up as the example...
@@ljt3084 The point isn't that Japan is perfect or doesn't have it's own problems. The point is that so far they've mostly avoided adding some of the problems we have on top of the ones they already have. Things can always get worse.
Inaya Folarin Iman speaks well - sensible, coherent, original, and right on point. Paul Embury is refreshing to hear - straight to the key point, which is being ignored by almost everyone. Well done Spectator.
It’s a relief for me to hear such a measured and courteous discussion. Over the years my family have spoken often about how difficult it is for people to adapt to the societal changes which come with a huge influx of people who might have very different norms of behaviour. I was born in the mid 50s in Wolverhampton. The rapidity of change there gave rise to the infamous conversation between Enoch Powell and one of his constituents complaining about how she didn’t feel at home on her street anymore because of the huge and rapid change of its ‘culture’. This conversation led to Powell’s even more infamous speech in which he quoted a prophecy from the Aeneid in which the River Tiber was foreseen foaming with blood. Not a politically sensitive speech, nor many might say, a humanly sensitive speech. It touched many nerves.
We didn’t have the phrase ‘politically incorrect’ back then, but Powell discovered what it meant in 1968. I wonder if his insensitivity and his naively brutal choice of classical quotes and the reaction to them rather than to the legitimate disquiet which provoked them might have set back an open and compassionate conversation about these issues nearly 60 years?
Do you mean infamous or notorious 😂😅😊
Do we agree that, in general, MPs do not have British values; fairness, altruism, common law for all ....
Excellent points by all the speakers, in identifying the underlying problems caused by those very same ideological masters who claim to know how to fix them, and never will; thank you.
We live in a post digital age, where on-line coexists with other aspects of our world. We can almost imagine 500 years ago, authorities get angry with the printing press for exacerbating trouble in early 16th century Europe.
Paul Embery speaks so much sense. He knows whats going on.
Another excellent conversation at the SPECTATOR.
It is a great relief to have media of your quality and seriousness at our disposal. Thank you so much for your commitment to truth and reason.
A big fan from Switzerland.
This is the first time I've ever come across either Paul Embery or Inaya Folarin Iman but wow, I was impressed with both of them and their well put arguments. Unfortunately little evidence so far that Westminster is ready for an honest debate to the limits of mass immigration and its effects on the cohesion of British society.
People are not racist the are culturists ( If that's a real word). they value their own culture the problem is when cultures clash not races .
Very well summed up by Paul Embery
The main answer to this is to stop illegal immigration and deport those who enter illegally. This Labour government seems to be even more unwilling to do this than the last Conservative government which indicates that there is a wider agenda at play. Banning online content and attempting to hide from sight the way different races and communities are treat will inflame the situation further.
Who is the Labour government appeasing by removing winter fuel allowances from the elderly and means testing them as their first priority?
Legal immigration is a far bigger problem. We also need to deport all criminals with a right to a foreign passport, and ban halal, kosher and circumcision, with life sentences for breaking these laws. Lots would leave of their own accord.
Illegal immigration in 2023 around 40,000. Legal immigration more than 1 million. The real problem is mass legal immigration.
There's already a waiting list of at least 20,000 Afghan refugees who
have been promised asylum in Britain by Labour. Think that's bad..? They've also been promised family reunion once they get here so multiply by 5.....??
Minimise legal immigration and minimise issue of new visas based on high skills only, stop illegal immigration and repatriate them quickly. The same with criminals.
Give preference to migrants from western and Christian countries.
Those from active warzones, accept the women and children and look after them until the war ends.
After a few years when we're more stable then we can look at loosening it again.
A really good discussion, thank you.
I lived in one of those areas for many years and it was a ticking time bomb waiting to happen. Not that the rioting over the past few days should be tolerated at all - it is completely unacceptable behaviour and they should be punished. I’m concerned however that the underlying issues will be once again brushed under the carpet and that is not what is needed. We need to have an open discussion it as Inaya rightly mentioned.
"Not just excluded from the conversation but actively treated with contempt."
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It's always good to see Paul Embery given a platform. He is pretty much the only person on the left worth listening to.
Refreshing to hear an intelegent and measured conversation.
Great discussion on the IUK problems.
I wish the mainstream media and politicians would stop banging on about Tommy Robison and the far right and have a more serious conversation like this.
Can we talk about the groups who are attacking journalists who are covering the riots? What is it that they don't want us to see?
the machetes and other weaponry they are carrying, probably
@@Tree_a_Boar I doubt you can buy a sword from B&Q on the same day when there's nationwide rioting.
*_Sky News_* reporter and crew who were threatened and their tires slashed?
Very solid and informing discussion. Thanks.
The UK mainstream media also has to play its role in public education with accurate reports. It has to correct the misinformation. The villain' s real identity which is a significant source of the problem has to be made crystal clear and repeatedly made known to the general public. Educational institutions and schools must also help in promoting racial harmony.
Where the latter will be all about how dreadful our ancestry and past were, and we had no culture or society until we had mass immigration and diversity.
I am still waiting for an explanation as to why he appeared to specifically target little white girls.
The problem is NOT Multiculturalism, we dont have Multiculturalism, we have Parallel Monoculturalism.
Paul Emery made some brilliant points.
How can we have discourse when one side isn't allowed to speak?!
At last! Sane conversation! Why does this never happen in Parliament? They are so shit scared of being called racists. It's kids stuff! Face the realities! But, honestly, I think it all too late. Ordinary people like me are ANGRY. I am not far right, but I HAVE had enough.
Excellent discussion. Many thanks to all involved.
I like this woman alot, very honest and intelligent
Certain Companies like MITIE have been making massive profits out of the Immigration crisis. They gave getting Contracts like Sweeties being handed out in a sweet shop. Two Conservative Donors who work for MITIE have donated a staggering amount to the Tory Party. We've yet to find out if Labour gave been getting these donations from MITIE. And how many MPs have shares in this Company and other Companies who have Home Office Immigration Contracts. An MP last year tried to raise the matter of how MITIE who keeps getting involved in scandals and ballsing up the Home Office Contracts keep getting them? This MP was shouted down by other MPs . The Government and MPs are making hand over fist in money. It's all about money at the end of the day. That's why you will never see the boats stopped.
Well said Paul
This woman loves the sound of her own empty rhetoric…
She does, indeed!!
Is it because she's black you don't like her?
Same she is evil
@@Niclouyat How the hell does her having an opinion make her evil? You sound like you like the sound of your own voice too
@@rgs6236 agreed
The trade union guy got it spot on.
Why is HALAL food allowed? Nuff said....
More to the point, it's becoming hard to buy non halal. I am definitely not ok with having it forced on me.
This has been going on since the 1960s If the 'government' was to admit the problem we could work to solve it but to call all those concerned 'far right' just makes any chance remote. I after over 70 years have no idea of a way out!
Our established politicians and mainstream media will literally do and say anything rather than admit
that uncontrolled immigration is a
problem. It's actually quite remarkable . Suicidal one might say..? I think they just might be about to actually confront the issue...after 20 years of lying.
Paul Embery has a realistic understanding of the current situation, and more importantly how to work toward a balance in society.
Labour under Starmer's leadership will undoubtably use this situation to bring in restrictions - just what is not needed, and will cause even more tension going forward.
Oh the irony. Starmer says 99% of British people want to feel safe. That is what caused the protests, people haven't felt safe before the protests and that is why they were protesting.starmer is devisive and his language is making things so much worse.
That ginger haired prince harry lookalike guy speaks a lot of sense - volumes in fact - its a shame prince harry doesn't !!!
😂
Pondering in Lebanon did not work, its not working in UK, France, Sweden, Philippines, Yugoslavia, Thailand, north African countries, why you think it will work anywhere else?
I’m again so pleased that the Spectator is having this discussion - and again very notably a lone voice in mainstream media.
More like Japan…. less than 100 asylum seekers accepted every year. 👍
i was listening to a podcast yesterday, in the last year japan has had 330,000 people settle there. japan seems to be becoming more like us than we like them.
Now oddly enough in recent years I've known a fair few on the left who have visited Japan and they absolutely rave about it to the point of wishing to live there. So dim witted are they that they cannot see it is such a nice place built on all the things they say are not progressive. Socially conservative, very low immigration, respectful of their culture and elderly and more besides that these same people will foam at the mouth about if tried here.
When he said that it immediately didn't make sense - I lived in Japan and like the interviewer pointed out, we would need to go back in time. Even Japan's landscape is changing and they have increased immigration.