Why LEGO Ideas Orient Express changed so much
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2023
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All aboard: the latest LEGO Ideas set rolling into the station is 21344 Orient Express, based on a design by French filmmaker Thomas Lajon.
Initially approved for production in October 2022, the 2,540-piece set will be the 52nd model under the LEGO Ideas banner, and offers a train radically changed from Thomas’s original submission. The LEGO Group has altered the scale, colour scheme and even the number of carriages in 21344 Orient Express while bringing it to shelves, seemingly all in an effort to make it compatible with standard LEGO track.
In the process, 21344 Orient Express avoids two perceived missteps by last year’s 76405 Hogwarts Express Collectors’ Edition. Critics called out the LEGO Harry Potter train’s size - it’s too big to sit on regular track - and single carriage upon release, but this dark blue and gold train rectifies both of those issues. And it does so while bringing to life one of the most iconic and luxurious forms of travel ever to cross European borders. - Розваги
Always love Lego trains and love the navy colour. Shame about the motorisation aspect but just lovely to get a new train. Wish Lego would release more trains 👍
I would have preferred a longer locomotive like the original submission. If they made EN work 14 years ago, surely they can do that now. But overall, I still like it cause of the lovely carriages. Disappointing that it is harder to motorize but simple enough for train fans to just use two motors. One in the tender and one in loco or add a small motorized carriage to push it.
Ok ok there’s no murder…. But is there a mummy on board?
I really like it and all the unique part colors, new parts and amazing use of all of them make this feel like it's a fantastic build. the price is outrageous but thats everything now a days. I wonder if after market lego compatible motors exist? ones with more torque and power to pull this heavy guy.
I love it. Not even mad about the difficulty to motorize because it's so beautiful I'm content to just add a side platform to the station and let it be eye candy.
Absolutr rubbish. The coaches are great but the locomotive looks like a disneyland toy train. Everything is out of proportion, particularly the connecting rods. So far removed from the original design it should never have been made under the ideas theme. Very easy pass for me. A real shame as I loved the original submission and feel very let down by lego.
The Orient Express is the passenger cars which are consistent and unchanging, not whatever loco they have pulling it on any given day. If the designers was dead-set on having a loco as his ideas submission, he should have gone with that instead of a branded luxury train.
That said, the loco is dumbed down too much and does look out of context and more like a rail yard workhorse than a mainline steamer.
Actually there might be another way to get that train motorized. but it will be a little bit more expensive but I think it would be more worth it.
you simply have to add an extra car that is motorized to the train. and in order to hide all the electronics inside you can use a baggage car. That way the train is motorized but it doesn't attract from the overall set.
Since the train is so heavy, it might be necessary to do both. Motorize the engine/tender and motorize an extra baggage car as a form of distributed power/pusher car.
Puppet!
For £260 it should've been motorised. But heyho.
I think it's a must have
Idk it looks nothing like the original and honestly just really simplified
just realise that the locomotive in this set is technically irrelevant since the actual orient express has been pulled by countless different classes over the years. My opinion is that this loco is loosely inspired by a SNCB class 64 which has pulled the orient express before.
@@emilbt7588 exactly, given the fact that it is based on something that will enter operation in 2025 the most accurate locomotive would have probably been an italian e-414 or something similar from the sbb
@@pietrooliani3251 i suppose an SBB A 3/5 4-6-0 has that similar boiler shape somewhat
@@emilbt7588that’s the problem. And because of it, this set is an overpriced advertisement for an overpriced experience
The locomotive is unfortunately a huge disappointment. If they wanted to make it fit the rails they still could have created a bigger one that looked more impressive and like the original concept. This one looks like the Disney land train and for that enormeous set price it’s a safe „no thank you“
Oh, how lovely! I’m chuffed that it’s been revealed. I shunt miss out on getting it. Full steam ahead to the LEGO store on day one!
I just realized, something else that sucks about the orient express not being able to be motorized is we wont get a unique option for it on the powered up app. No sounds or anything, ah well
Ok, scorching hot take but I think I prefer this engine over the Emerald Night.
good that it fits on track but it needed to be motorized. not intereste in a push train. Didn't even like those when i was five.
I'm okay with the locomotive looking like Thomas the Tank Engine, since the fan designer's name is Thomas, too.
Ah yes the tender engine that happens to be the colour blue looks like *”thomas is a tank engine, who lives on a big station on the island of sodor. He has 6 small wheels a short stumpy boiler and a short stumpy funnel and a short stumpy dome”*
But why change the colour ftom green yo blue at least keep the colour
the dark green bricks are a tad more expensive than dark blue so it'd likely pump up the price even more.
@@emilbt7588 it was because the licensing owners of the orient express request that lego group change the colour, Racing brick covered this topic in his post.
4:51 are those Minions heads in dark blue (with no printing)‽
Oh, yup - you answered it a little later.
lol i will buy two. one to display and one to run but i might just combine them make a big engine and 4 cars with a hidden motorized car. or two if it’s two heavy
That's what I'm planning on doing. Taking the second set and making a matching baggage car with two 9v train motors and perhaps some traction weights. And then an observation car for the tail end of the train. The two 9v train motors will move the longer train assuming there isn't two much friction on the locomotive wheels.
I’ve no problem with the changes. I think the set looks absolutely amazing. Love the colours. Will definitely be getting this at some point before it retires. Only criticisms are the locomotive…. It could’ve done with more detail (like the original submission) but appreciate this is now a slightly different scale. Also, would’ve been great to be able to easily motorise, but again, understand challenges around this.
I think fans will be able to make it motorized
Awesome set
Should've been cheaper
Well If Lego return Axel bogies there will be not a problem to motorize it and safe both cars
Although a very nice design I had no interest in this train as depicted in the concept. I am all over the final design and my wife has very strict instructions to order it at midnight on Dec. 1st. 😉
While I prefer the original design of the locomotive itself, I still love this one and I can't wait to get my hands on it!
I hope we can figure out how to deal with motorizing this set tho, I really don't want to sacrifice any of those lovely details for the sake of having it run. But, I appreciate it I can park it in my lego city as least.
Nice review, however can the cars and train make it around a Lego curve? If so, then it will be easy to motorize. This can be done by putting 2 train motors under and enlarged tender. That was what I did for the Disney train.
This is not the lego's idea submitted set. This is the equivalent is someone submitted the New York Freedom Tower and lego made the Trump Tower. Hey they are both buildings in New York!
This should be as Icon set not idea - to large diference From orginal idea. Tomas the engine
Here’s the thing, though in this case, the freedom tower would not be able to actually stand
Not really. The Ideas set was for the Orient Express. The Orient Express has always been only the carriages, that is what they were known for, that was literal name of the company - the locomotives were contracted from the various state railways of Europe. It makes sense that Lego would focus on the actual Orient Express at the expense of the locomotive in that regard. It makes it feel like the name was only included to get votes for the locomotive. It gets very complicated since the Orient Express is a copyrighted entity.
It would be like if someone submitted an idea for a set based on King Kong, and named it as such, but most of the effort went to the Empire State Building, with Kong just being an accessory, and Lego turning around and making a set more focussed on Kong and only including the spire of the Empire State Building, especially as a requirement from Universal. Or Disney. Or whoever owns the rights this week. That is a dumb example I know, but it is best I could think of to describe the Orient Express' unique case.
@@steventhetford1755 but. Isn’t that a good thing…?
I politely do not agree when you say that all these changes elevate the original model … IMHO the Idea supporters voted to get the engine - which was a masterpiece - not the cars. The changes were necessary to get the IP approved, I get it, but it does not mean this product is better than the original idea submission. It is in fact another Lego model entirely. Keep building !
I think that misses the point of the Orient Express entirely. It was founded by the Compagnie Internationale des Wagon-Lits (the International Sleeper Car Company), who never once owned or operated any locomotives - they contracted that out to the various state railways. The Carriages ARE the Orient Express, so to have it take a backseat to a locomotive doesn't make any sense - it sort of makes it feel like the only reason that it was made to be the Orient Express was to get name recognition and support on the Ideas website.
@@steventhetford1755 I totally get your point. The Orient Express are in fact the sleeping/dining carriages, you are 100% right. Nonetheless, most train AFOLs I know do not care about carriages that much, they voted this idea because of the rendition of the locomotive. It could have been called “whatever old style train” and who knows if it would have made it to 10k but I am quite sure it would have not been picked by Lego 🙂! Keep building
I love the set but its not the set i voted for
do any one know it the train would manage lego standard curves?
There’s no reason why they shouldn’t, I have longer train cars that do (even if they look a bit funny doing it.). The real question will be does the new coupling element allow for it or will one have to swap it out for the old magnet version.
On the lego site it says"Model is built for L Gauge and fits L Gauge track" hmm doess that mean that it will run on 40-track?@@gordonwerner
@@perolav2it can, because lego made sure it would be track capable, despite knowing fully well that it can’t be motorized, resulting in a set that can’t run, and has no detail. Add to the fact that orient express wanted them to put the detail on the passenger cars, and you end up with an overpriced advertisement for an overpriced experience.
Well it can off course be motorized by adding motor in the coal carriage. If the train is to heavy you can off course run it with one passenger carriage.i will wait to buy the set so that i am sure that i able to run it in my City. @@backonpro5679
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The finest designers from Lego didn't find a way to motorize the steam engine? For 300.- € i find it a cheap-out solution! Interesting to continue to show the Emerald Express, would have been the way to go.
Is there a reason that you didn’t include photos of the two new elements you mention? And just out of curiosity, why couldn’t you film the presentation like the Avengers tower and the Ornathropter?
It didn´t change that much: it´s still only a dispaly set.
gottem'
Fun fact, if you use your hands and pick up the engine and then plop it on some Lego track it’s going to hecking fit on it
@@j88productionskeep your hand on it to move it, what fun! Just cause it can fit doesn’t mean it’s functional.
The new version is garbage and I won't be buying it.
Hi. Man. So that's great new s it was built. To fit on tracks ..but kinda sad. Thay dident go. Thru with. Saleing it with power up .hi herd it's to Heavey .yeah I herd the Orient express. People s ..whanted it to be. Diffrent to the oridganal one ..😊 for me I love train s. But no train pro. But I'm okay with fact. It not look like the old style one .and this one that come up with look nice I love the dark blue .the other version look awesome to .but.. oh well if that couldn't make it like that design. Nuthing we can do.about. That. ...
Crap
Day one purchase.
I would rather have bigger locomotive for the sake of skipping coal carriage entirely. That way would be easier for me to build custom coal carriage than to rebuild whole loco. Just saying.
N- no you can’t delete the tender it doesn’t work like that
@@j88productions What do you mean?
Agreed, but instead of completely removing tender, make it a tank engine
@@backonpro5679 a Tank Engine. PULL. THE. EXPRESS?.
Every body is missing the point, it is Lego toy train, not a scale model, if you want a more scale model , down load Lego moc plans.
As someone who does a lot of work with lego and model railroading, people are more than right to ask for more. This is 300 dollars. You can buy motorized scale models with metal parts, lights, and sounds for cheaper.