After watching about 1 trillion camera comparisons I must say you absolutely smashed it bro... the shots are stunning and I think the decision I'll have to make has gotten a lot easier. Greets from Germany!
Hey, thank you so much, I appreciate the kind words ☺️ and yes I do believe that the best way to test a phone is to take it into the real world and see how it performs 👍
I use a VIVO x100pro and a dedicated camera for street photography and I can tell you that it looks impressive on a small screen however if you open the pictures on a larger monitor you can see a lot of noise and lack of details from the phone. Still enjoy using both but a mediocre second hand camera with a kit lens for day time photography beats a phone.
Finally found someone show xiaomi14 Ultra and show how good the photo and the real situvation faced , taking random people photo , show how clear and fast even just pure like sniper shot without themself being in position of taking photo instead of many joker just talk talk talk take photo randomly or duno what even themself taking, it is annoying no point at all.
I really like your photographic approach with this personal retouching in post production. On this subject, it would be interesting to show us first the photo that comes out of the camera and then the photo with your personal retouch. It would be more editing work but transparency with your audience is important. Greetings !
Thank you 😊 really appreciate the kind words and glad you're enjoying the shots, personally my favourite is photo 6 I just love the lightness of the situation and the emotions conveyed by the hand gestures 👍
I mean the phone's quality seems to be insane - but i also really like your editing and in some photos I would have done the composition just as you did ^^
Amazing photos! I particularly appreciate you sharing your settings on each photo. You should offer a tutorial on how to use different sets on different situations with the X14U
Hey, I tapped and locked focus on the ground where the subject would walk to ensure pin sharp focus 👍 EDIT: On a regular camera I would have probably got away with doing it in auto focus but when shooting with phones I try not to leave anything to chance... 😉
Some are, yes. I tend to increase what's already there as opposed to making it all up from scratch as it tends to look unnatural and unconvincing otherwise. Masking and reducing clarity / sharpness is one way to do it, lens blur only if subject is very well detached from the background already as it can be hit and miss in its current form. If I'm pretty close to a subject using the telephoto lens then there is no need for any "trickery" since natural depth of field kicks in as can be seen from some close up shots in the video. Hope that all makes sense 😊
@@UpsideLens it does make sense! I usually use the blue tool to very slightly boost up the background blur when I do phone shots but it is very bad when it comes to hair or other irregular lines. But if you are able to capture those shots with this phone and slightly tweak it afterwards to make it look like that, then I wouldn't mind spending the time to do it
It really is down to having a good base to work with, like I said much easier and cleaner to have the basis right than have to make it all up. Including some foreground and having different depth elements in the shot really helps make a balanced and more "3D" like photo 👍
Hi, I've been waiting for the Pixel 9 Pro, but I'm really distracted with the Pixel. Do you think it's still worth buying the 14 Ultra or wait for the 15 Ultra? Thanks in advance.
Hi I think it's all down to preferences and use case, if you're starting in photography or you're not that into photography then a phone like a pixel, a Samsung or iPhone would be more than enough. If you are a photographer and know the principles already and know your way around shooting in RAW full manual then the Xiaomi 14 ultra currently is unbeatable as a whole. The 15 ultra is sadly said to use one of those all in one zooms which I'm not a fan of due to loss of native depth of field but time will tell if the rumours are true about the 15. For now the 14 ultra can be had at a cracking price. Hope that helps 👍
Hey, thanks for the answer. I just want a great camera nothing more. I know some principles of photography but I think I need to learn a lot of things. But seeing your great photos specially in your video where you shoot nature. I just want a 14 Ultra. :)
When doing comparisons between phones or testing absolutely, here the emphasis is on the finished art / photo. You wouldn't ask a painter to show you the canvas before they've painted it would you ? 😉
Wowww....did you use just the camera app and filter from the Xiaomi 14 Ultra, or are you using your professional custom preset? It's an insane good review!"
What about it ? Any camera if set to auto will flicker. You can find an option that will "fix it" but if you forget to turn it off it can mess your future recordings hence why I never have it turned on. The principle of flickering is nothing new it's shutter speed Vs Hz of light source. When shooting video in manual mode it's a non issue. Not sure what update you're after ?
Hi I use Lightroom Classic on Mac and yes I have made an hour long video a while back where I go through the entire edit process of some of my raw shots, go check it out 👍 I also have a pack of presets available to make edits quicker if you're interested, link is in the description 👌
Just like I would process any raw file taken with any camera, I start with basic correction, masking and colour grading. I put out a video a while ago about how I edit my photos go check it out 👌
Thank you really appreciate however I don't use filters, I use lightroom Classic to colour grade my photos 😊 will have many more POV videos with the Xiaomi soon, stay tuned 👍
Basically it always uses the full sensor then down samples it to 12mp. However you can use the 50mp mode and you end up with the full 50mp but that's only good if used in good lighting.
@@UpsideLens B7ut the RAW Pictures (when used) are always full size images?! I kinda get the point to use the downsampled image. My Xiaomi 12 also has a 50mp sensor. and i placed the 50mp button right next to Photo, so i can get my full sized images. But when i like to set it as standart, there isnt a option for that.
Greetings! I would like to ask, if you put a dolby vision 4K/60 fps video recorded by this phone on mediainfo, does it say that it's dolby vision only or does it say it's hlg or hdr10, too? Also, if you put it on a non dolby vision tv, is it shown on sdr?
@Γιάννης-κ7σ I mean you can record straight to HDR if you'd like, look into a third party app called mcpro24fps they allow to record in so many different formats and the quality is much higher than the stock app as it bypasses the ISP processing 👍
Do you shoot in ultra raw? Also do you use phone filters or edit in photoshop? It turned up nice, I am learning how to get max from my 14U. I wish we were able to shoot in 50MPx jpg plus ultra raw at the same time with tele and super tele. Well, maybe with some next update...
Hi, no I do not use ultra raw as it adds extra processing to the photos and ultimately adds extra shutter lag (due to the extra processing) I do not use filters, I just shoot RAW and edit in lightroom classic afterwards. I tend to avoid 50mp mode as it just adds more artefacts to the output. I tend to use if shooting in macro jpg to allow for a little extra cropping range but again, artefacts creep in fairly quick.
@@UpsideLens No idea what the full difference between RAW and ultra RAW is. It would be nice if they gave more info about it. I only noticed in dark room, that closeups are much better in ultra RAW, more detailed, less noise, but it didn't looked too much processed to me. But there could be some image stacking going on as it has much more details and less noise. At least in my testing photos. Agree with 50mpx, but I noticed that when I zoom out to 50%, the photo has often more details. Mostly in nature, small flowers in grass etc. Looks like it looses some fine details in binning process. Not that much, but there is still some small difference. I mostly shoot in vibrant mode, but with leica NAT filter.
Hey, that's the Xiaomi mate 👍 I have noticed the phone case and filter adapter ring keeps making a rattling noise I'm not too keen on but it does produce some beautiful videos !
Durability ? In what sense ? Apart from folding phones which are very prone to failing not much can go wrong, just like an iPhone ! In terms of "airdrop" Google has implemented their version of it called quick share. As a matter of fact after downloading an app on Mac called nearby share it works exactly like airdrop would on iPhone. Personally I couldn't have an iPhone as a daily driver, way too many barriers, android being open you have many more functionalities and it's not as "wallgardened" as Apple.
@@UpsideLensT@@UpsideLensyour opinion, really appreciate it 🙏😊 @@UpsideLens still@@UpsideLens (coz ai love photography)@@UpsideLens Plus, it‘s also not that cheap.
Hey, it all depends on the photo. Normally when I shoot a photo I already have in mind how I want it to look like so it's just a matter of colour grading it in Lightroom Classic but having colour graded hundreds of photos I definitely have my favourite styles. I made a pack of starting points / presets based on my favourite types of edits and the link is in the description of my more recent videos 👍 hope it helps. Thanks ☺️
The black and white photo with pigeons under the arch was magnificent. What a photo. I can't believe that this phone takes photos this good!!😮 Keep up the good work.👍🏿
But all these pictures are taken manually I would love to see how this camera performed in point and shoot scenario, because most of the users will use point and shoot.
I have made a video comparing this phone to other phones in regular jpg but this channel focuses on actual photography as opposed to point and shoot jpg automatic mode.
@@UpsideLens maybe it's even fair to say those looking for point & shoot to go after other products like Samsung, iPhone etc. This one phone is mainly for Pro working on manual
I would agree with this yes. The automatic jpg mode is not that great on the Xiaomi but to be honest can't think of a single phone that does ! It's the nature of the best, you shoot in auto jpg for quick random daily photos you need, kids, dog and whatever and then shoot raw and manual for actual photography. People just don't understand that shooting in auto jpg on a phone is completely different to shooting auto on an actual camera ! The harsh processing you get on a phone when shooting in auto jpg just doesn't cut it.
Thank you 😊 they're also on IG. I'm still toying with the idea of having a UA-cam membership where I can share the raw file of all the photos I take for each video, since it's something a lot of people have asked for so will be looking into it in the future 👍 I edit all my photos in Lightroom and if you're interested I have made a pack of presets (link in the description).
man, there is a lot of people in this world who wants to know how videos looks on. get out from the photographer zone please. nobody is interested in photos now a days. go for videos.
It depends, if you want to be locked into an ecosystem and have overpriced ancient hardware you go for Apple, if you want the latest and greatest when it comes to camera hardware you DONT go with apple, simple 🤷
After watching about 1 trillion camera comparisons I must say you absolutely smashed it bro... the shots are stunning and I think the decision I'll have to make has gotten a lot easier. Greets from Germany!
Hey, thank you so much, I appreciate the kind words ☺️ and yes I do believe that the best way to test a phone is to take it into the real world and see how it performs 👍
Hard to believe that those quality of photos actually came out of a Phone Camera 😳
But they are 😉 just amazing to see how far tech has moved in the last few years !
I use a VIVO x100pro and a dedicated camera for street photography and I can tell you that it looks impressive on a small screen however if you open the pictures on a larger monitor you can see a lot of noise and lack of details from the phone. Still enjoy using both but a mediocre second hand camera with a kit lens for day time photography beats a phone.
@@sirab3ee198 that's one place where the 14 Ultra is better at than the x100 series. Noise. The 14U shoots with bare minimum noise
If you know what you’re doing you could do them on a Polaroid
@philcolumbine9254 would be kinda hard to edit a Polaroid 😂
These photos are impressive! Can't believe they are from a phone. The Xiaomi 14 Ultra and your talent is just amazing.
Thank you so much for the kind words ❤️ this phone is indeed amazing 👍
Finally found someone show xiaomi14 Ultra and show how good the photo and the real situvation faced , taking random people photo , show how clear and fast even just pure like sniper shot without themself being in position of taking photo
instead of many joker just talk talk talk take photo randomly or duno what even themself taking, it is annoying no point at all.
I'm glad you enjoyed the content my man 👍 thank you for the kind words, really appreciate 😃
I really like your photographic approach with this personal retouching in post production. On this subject, it would be interesting to show us first the photo that comes out of the camera and then the photo with your personal retouch. It would be more editing work but transparency with your audience is important. Greetings !
Photo 12 and photo 14 has just the exact emotion that a street photography needs 🙌. Every other photos looks Great 👌 and 11:34 looks just 😎 cool .
Thank you 😊 really appreciate the kind words and glad you're enjoying the shots, personally my favourite is photo 6 I just love the lightness of the situation and the emotions conveyed by the hand gestures 👍
So in love with this phone and your videos on them. I hope to honestly see more. Hard to find authentic videos with this phone.
Thank you so much for the kind words, don't you worry a lot of content is on the way 😁
@@UpsideLens Sweet. I just put in my subscription!
@azuki2919 much appreciated mate 👍
That is some really beautiful photos
All the shots really look like 4k wallpapers captured by a professional DSLR camers....
Thank you 👍 really appreciate 😊
Amazing photos. I’m excited to use my Xiaomi 14 Ultra.
I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun ! Stay tuned for way more content on the channel too 😉
You’re a wizard behind the lens ❤
Just someone who loves photography 😉 anyone willing to practice and keep trying new things can get there 👌
@@UpsideLens thanks man for the motivation...wish you all the best ❤️
Amazing shots. The one with the buildings and the tram ❤️❤️❤️😁😁😁😁😁
Xiaomi is highly capable ❤.
I really liked your video, no doubt that this xiaomi is fantastic, but I'm still in love with my Huawei P60pro
Looks cool
Its unbelievable photos and it's looks like edited as a PRESET❤
Thank you 😊 they are of course edited in Lightroom Classic, no phone or camera would come out this way !
@@UpsideLens I thought it is🤪
@@UpsideLens would you recommend x14ultra as daily driver?
the 14 Ultra is the phone I've had for months now as my daily driver ! Hands down the best cameras in 2024 so far, nothing comes close !
@@UpsideLens even iphone?
I mean the phone's quality seems to be insane - but i also really like your editing and in some photos I would have done the composition just as you did ^^
Thanks man really appreciate the kind words ❤️
Stunning shots!! 🔥
Thank you 😊 really appreciate mate 👍 stay tuned for some more awesome shots in today's video (2.30pm GMT)
I heard xiaomi 14 civi is good please test it.
I heard the same thing 14 civi is supposed to be better or the same as 14 ultra in video recording 😉🤌🏻
Amazing photos! I particularly appreciate you sharing your settings on each photo. You should offer a tutorial on how to use different sets on different situations with the X14U
Thanks really appreciate 😊 and don't worry I will have a lot more content coming out about the Xiaomi 14 ultra 👌
@@UpsideLens can't wait!
Thank You
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Love your work dude. Could you do something on portrait photos and getting good photos of friends/family?
Thank you, really appreciate the kind words my friends 😁 and who knows what I'll do next 😉👍
Great photos!
Thank you 🙏
Hermosas fotografías hermano ❤👊
Thanks you so much ❤️
Nice work. Can you tell us what software you used to get rid of the bin and street sign?
Yes of course, I use Lightroom Classic for smaller details that need removing and Photoshop generative remove if it's a bigger job 👍
For the 2nd photo how did you focus? AF or MF? If MF, zone focus? If AF, what AF area? Tracking? Touch focus on the person? Default camera app?
Hey, I tapped and locked focus on the ground where the subject would walk to ensure pin sharp focus 👍
EDIT: On a regular camera I would have probably got away with doing it in auto focus but when shooting with phones I try not to leave anything to chance... 😉
Is that shallow depth of field in the 75mm shots natural or did you help it a bit in editing?
Some are, yes. I tend to increase what's already there as opposed to making it all up from scratch as it tends to look unnatural and unconvincing otherwise. Masking and reducing clarity / sharpness is one way to do it, lens blur only if subject is very well detached from the background already as it can be hit and miss in its current form. If I'm pretty close to a subject using the telephoto lens then there is no need for any "trickery" since natural depth of field kicks in as can be seen from some close up shots in the video. Hope that all makes sense 😊
@@UpsideLens it does make sense! I usually use the blue tool to very slightly boost up the background blur when I do phone shots but it is very bad when it comes to hair or other irregular lines. But if you are able to capture those shots with this phone and slightly tweak it afterwards to make it look like that, then I wouldn't mind spending the time to do it
It really is down to having a good base to work with, like I said much easier and cleaner to have the basis right than have to make it all up. Including some foreground and having different depth elements in the shot really helps make a balanced and more "3D" like photo 👍
Hi, I've been waiting for the Pixel 9 Pro, but I'm really distracted with the Pixel. Do you think it's still worth buying the 14 Ultra or wait for the 15 Ultra? Thanks in advance.
Hi I think it's all down to preferences and use case, if you're starting in photography or you're not that into photography then a phone like a pixel, a Samsung or iPhone would be more than enough. If you are a photographer and know the principles already and know your way around shooting in RAW full manual then the Xiaomi 14 ultra currently is unbeatable as a whole. The 15 ultra is sadly said to use one of those all in one zooms which I'm not a fan of due to loss of native depth of field but time will tell if the rumours are true about the 15. For now the 14 ultra can be had at a cracking price. Hope that helps 👍
Hey, thanks for the answer. I just want a great camera nothing more. I know some principles of photography but I think I need to learn a lot of things. But seeing your great photos specially in your video where you shoot nature. I just want a 14 Ultra. :)
I wish I can see those normal photos too before I see those edit photos
Second this, especially as xiaomi takes both a raw and jpg picture in one shutter
When doing comparisons between phones or testing absolutely, here the emphasis is on the finished art / photo. You wouldn't ask a painter to show you the canvas before they've painted it would you ? 😉
@@UpsideLensfair, but are the pre-edits so bland?
Wowww....did you use just the camera app and filter from the Xiaomi 14 Ultra, or are you using your professional custom preset? It's an insane good review!"
Hi I shoot in Xiaomi camera app using RAW and manual mode only and edit my photos in lightroom classic 👍
What about screen flickering in artificial lighting?? Any update?!
What about it ? Any camera if set to auto will flicker. You can find an option that will "fix it" but if you forget to turn it off it can mess your future recordings hence why I never have it turned on.
The principle of flickering is nothing new it's shutter speed Vs Hz of light source. When shooting video in manual mode it's a non issue. Not sure what update you're after ?
Amazing shots! I am having this phone too, may I know what mode did you use for these photos?
It is an awesome phone indeed I'm sure you'll love it ! I always shoot in manual / RAW 👍
What software do you use and do you have any tutorials for editing
Hi I use Lightroom Classic on Mac and yes I have made an hour long video a while back where I go through the entire edit process of some of my raw shots, go check it out 👍 I also have a pack of presets available to make edits quicker if you're interested, link is in the description 👌
@@UpsideLensthanks, your an amazing photographer man
@MartinBielkovic really appreciate mate 😊 have a good weekend 🤙
How much of post processing did you do? Cause those pictures are fabulous
Just like I would process any raw file taken with any camera, I start with basic correction, masking and colour grading. I put out a video a while ago about how I edit my photos go check it out 👌
love the filters you are using
keep it up mate
Thank you really appreciate however I don't use filters, I use lightroom Classic to colour grade my photos 😊 will have many more POV videos with the Xiaomi soon, stay tuned 👍
@@UpsideLensI was wondering about the post colour grading
@wlxgrf just replied to your other comment regarding the colour grading process 👍
Is the Camera always using the full megapixel count? Or does it like in the normal mode made 12mp pictures?
Basically it always uses the full sensor then down samples it to 12mp. However you can use the 50mp mode and you end up with the full 50mp but that's only good if used in good lighting.
@@UpsideLens B7ut the RAW Pictures (when used) are always full size images?!
I kinda get the point to use the downsampled image. My Xiaomi 12 also has a 50mp sensor. and i placed the 50mp button right next to Photo, so i can get my full sized images. But when i like to set it as standart, there isnt a option for that.
Id like to see how you do your edit/post preset colour. Liking your vids tks
Thank you really appreciate the kind words 😌 I made a video a few months back specifically about my editing process of the raw files go check it out 👍
Greetings! I would like to ask, if you put a dolby vision 4K/60 fps video recorded by this phone on mediainfo, does it say that it's dolby vision only or does it say it's hlg or hdr10, too? Also, if you put it on a non dolby vision tv, is it shown on sdr?
Hi, to tell the truth I haven't tried it, I never shoot in HDR when recording video I usually shoot in 4K30 S-log3 10bit S-Gamut3 Cine
@@UpsideLens Thanks for the answer! If I do that too, when I record video, will it be easy to convert it to hdr10 or hlg with a program like ffmpeg?
@Γιάννης-κ7σ I mean you can record straight to HDR if you'd like, look into a third party app called mcpro24fps they allow to record in so many different formats and the quality is much higher than the stock app as it bypasses the ISP processing 👍
@@UpsideLens I'll check it out, thanks!
Do you shoot in ultra raw? Also do you use phone filters or edit in photoshop? It turned up nice, I am learning how to get max from my 14U. I wish we were able to shoot in 50MPx jpg plus ultra raw at the same time with tele and super tele. Well, maybe with some next update...
Hi, no I do not use ultra raw as it adds extra processing to the photos and ultimately adds extra shutter lag (due to the extra processing) I do not use filters, I just shoot RAW and edit in lightroom classic afterwards. I tend to avoid 50mp mode as it just adds more artefacts to the output. I tend to use if shooting in macro jpg to allow for a little extra cropping range but again, artefacts creep in fairly quick.
@@UpsideLens No idea what the full difference between RAW and ultra RAW is. It would be nice if they gave more info about it. I only noticed in dark room, that closeups are much better in ultra RAW, more detailed, less noise, but it didn't looked too much processed to me. But there could be some image stacking going on as it has much more details and less noise. At least in my testing photos.
Agree with 50mpx, but I noticed that when I zoom out to 50%, the photo has often more details. Mostly in nature, small flowers in grass etc. Looks like it looses some fine details in binning process. Not that much, but there is still some small difference.
I mostly shoot in vibrant mode, but with leica NAT filter.
What camera you used when you do the head talking video parts?
Hey, that's the Xiaomi mate 👍 I have noticed the phone case and filter adapter ring keeps making a rattling noise I'm not too keen on but it does produce some beautiful videos !
The only concerns I have using android phones is the durability and the „airdrop“ function.
Durability ? In what sense ? Apart from folding phones which are very prone to failing not much can go wrong, just like an iPhone ! In terms of "airdrop" Google has implemented their version of it called quick share. As a matter of fact after downloading an app on Mac called nearby share it works exactly like airdrop would on iPhone. Personally I couldn't have an iPhone as a daily driver, way too many barriers, android being open you have many more functionalities and it's not as "wallgardened" as Apple.
@@UpsideLensT@@UpsideLensyour opinion, really appreciate it 🙏😊
@@UpsideLens still@@UpsideLens (coz ai love photography)@@UpsideLens Plus, it‘s also not that cheap.
Hi. Tell me, what camera do you use to film the talking head? Thanks :)
Hey 👋 they were all recorded with the Xiaomi in 4K30 10bit LOG 👍
are you using color preset ?
btw where can i buy it?
Hey, it all depends on the photo. Normally when I shoot a photo I already have in mind how I want it to look like so it's just a matter of colour grading it in Lightroom Classic but having colour graded hundreds of photos I definitely have my favourite styles. I made a pack of starting points / presets based on my favourite types of edits and the link is in the description of my more recent videos 👍 hope it helps. Thanks ☺️
I'm early!
Can you you review the vivo x100 ultra, please😊
Yes sure, if someone sends it to me I'll review it 😉
The black and white photo with pigeons under the arch was magnificent. What a photo. I can't believe that this phone takes photos this good!!😮
Keep up the good work.👍🏿
Thank you man, really appreciate , and yes it's crazy to think what smartphones can achieve nowadays ! 🤯
But all these pictures are taken manually I would love to see how this camera performed in point and shoot scenario, because most of the users will use point and shoot.
I have made a video comparing this phone to other phones in regular jpg but this channel focuses on actual photography as opposed to point and shoot jpg automatic mode.
@@UpsideLens maybe it's even fair to say those looking for point & shoot to go after other products like Samsung, iPhone etc. This one phone is mainly for Pro working on manual
I would agree with this yes. The automatic jpg mode is not that great on the Xiaomi but to be honest can't think of a single phone that does ! It's the nature of the best, you shoot in auto jpg for quick random daily photos you need, kids, dog and whatever and then shoot raw and manual for actual photography. People just don't understand that shooting in auto jpg on a phone is completely different to shooting auto on an actual camera ! The harsh processing you get on a phone when shooting in auto jpg just doesn't cut it.
Show unedited photos too
You don't go to a restaurant and ask the chef to show you the ingredients do you ? 😉
Xiaomi 14 Ultra is great, you should also try vivo X100 Ultra, you will be even more impressed ^^. Cool video btw. Keep it up.
vivo's camera software trash...
@@Erdem_medya Lol go Away, you know nothing
Thats when photographer use great phone
Amazing pictures , is it possible to share full sizes for them?
Is all pictures with presets ?
Thank you 😊 they're also on IG. I'm still toying with the idea of having a UA-cam membership where I can share the raw file of all the photos I take for each video, since it's something a lot of people have asked for so will be looking into it in the future 👍
I edit all my photos in Lightroom and if you're interested I have made a pack of presets (link in the description).
You are welcome.
So all pictures are in Raw format right ?
I will purchase your lighroom package.
Yes correct I always shoot RAW and manual mode to make the most out of each sensor 👍 jpg is just too limiting in terms of editing.
Photo 2 and photo 5 same person 😂😂
Dude they're not lol go on my Instagram and zoom in on the photos lol
man, there is a lot of people in this world who wants to know how videos looks on. get out from the photographer zone please. nobody is interested in photos now a days. go for videos.
Ok I'm looking forward to watching your content about video, let's get in the video zone man 🍿👍
@@UpsideLens Thanks
Who's using an Android phone?🤔🙋🏼♂️
It depends, if you want to be locked into an ecosystem and have overpriced ancient hardware you go for Apple, if you want the latest and greatest when it comes to camera hardware you DONT go with apple, simple 🤷