Famous Art Historian talks about Revenge of the Sith

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  • @raindog6996
    @raindog6996 Рік тому +139

    This is the most insightful commentary I've heard about Star Wars, maybe ever. There is more in depth analysis going on here than in any of the countless hours-long video essays you find about Star Wars here on UA-cam. I love her passion, this put a smile on my face.

    • @123mandalore777
      @123mandalore777 Рік тому +15

      90% of the Star Wars fanbase is too stupid to understand or appreciate their own favorite series. It's a complete tragedy. There are some good analysis's and commentary on Star Wars but they won't have a high view count. Some of the best commentaries I've ever seen on Star Wars were from forums posts were someone just brilliantly broke down and analyzed the films after having a rewatch. UA-cam analysis is often vapid in comparison and caters to the stupid majority.

    • @Gojeto346
      @Gojeto346 Рік тому +2

      This is the most surface level analysis I’ve ever seen, this is what I got from like the second time watching RotS lmao everything she says is either from another video or just a visual observation with a surface level theme connected to it. 😂

    • @tristanlanphere7736
      @tristanlanphere7736 Рік тому

      @@123mandalore777I’d still say the original 1977 Star Wars is the best one.

    • @LauraSeabrook
      @LauraSeabrook Рік тому

      I watched ua-cam.com/video/4tw7z4QeDv0/v-deo.html just after this. Quite good.

    • @dustycomputer1806
      @dustycomputer1806 Рік тому

      she’s also very passionate about making pedophilia legal

  • @larrytalbot3824
    @larrytalbot3824 Рік тому +82

    As an artist myself, one particularly satisfying visual piece of symbolism I really appreciated was the final shot of the movie, the _twins,_ those two suns setting, a perfect set up & lead into the literal 'New Hope' of the next episode.
    Well done George.

    • @simunator
      @simunator Рік тому +4

      and George's visions were all out of instinct. he is one of the greatest artist before he's a director. thank you George

  • @tomtom21194
    @tomtom21194 Рік тому +65

    I'm a dude. Nothing surprised me more than my instinctual protectiveness and care for my neice when she was born.
    I thought I was hollow and dead inside.
    Also, analysing star wars never gets old

    • @josh_from_xboxlive
      @josh_from_xboxlive  Рік тому +7

      I cherish this comment

    • @dustycomputer1806
      @dustycomputer1806 Рік тому

      you might wanna protect her from this person in particular since she advocates for pedophilia

  • @craighicksartwork
    @craighicksartwork 7 місяців тому +15

    She's not wrong. It's an unsung masterpeice.

  • @onemoreminute0543
    @onemoreminute0543 Рік тому +92

    She was ahead of her time with this take.

    • @dustycomputer1806
      @dustycomputer1806 Рік тому

      what about her takes on the age of consent and CP?

    • @onemoreminute0543
      @onemoreminute0543 Рік тому +3

      @@dustycomputer1806 That she wasn't, though I think I read somewhere she has retracted her view on that.

  • @REDDAWNproject
    @REDDAWNproject Рік тому +40

    Revenge of the sith is my favorite star wars movie; literally everything once Anakin turns is absolutely transcendant.

  • @arkenn3497
    @arkenn3497 Рік тому +54

    I want to hug that woman
    She hit every nail on every head

    • @dustycomputer1806
      @dustycomputer1806 Рік тому +1

      why would you want to hug someone who advocates for pedophile rights?

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 5 місяців тому

      @@dustycomputer1806 To be fair, she recanted some of the things she said about that years ago.

    • @dustycomputer1806
      @dustycomputer1806 5 місяців тому

      @@jedijones i’m just saying you have to be an unhinged psychopath to ever advocate for pedophilia

  • @Mcfly85A
    @Mcfly85A Рік тому +27

    It's an interesting take that she has and I do believe Revenge Of The Sith is an epic tragedy. Also when people say that the prequels have bad dialogue and wooden acting,I guess something is wrong with me because I don't hear any bad dialogue nor do I see any wooden acting. In fact I think all six Star Wars episodes are great and indeed I do think they are works of art.

    • @Harriet-Jesamine
      @Harriet-Jesamine Рік тому +7

      Exactly, I don't know if people are expecting nora ephron type dialogue or something, the dialogue is like it is for a reason, star wars films were never originally reflective of their contemporary culture, they MOLDED the contemporary culture around them, post disney this seems to be reversed.

    • @BeezeeChutter
      @BeezeeChutter 2 місяці тому +2

      As I understand it the Prequels lean heavily into the kind of romantic style of dialogue of the films he watched which emulated the romantic style of dialogue of Shakespeare which itself emulated the romantic style of dialogue of Greek plays. I may be wrong in that but I’m pretty sure that’s right. If you watch or read any surviving stories from those eras they speak in much the same manner although with old English. The prequels speak in that romantic manner just with new English.
      “I am haunted by the kiss that you should never have given me. I can’t breathe.” Tell me that doesn’t sound like Romeo and Juliet type shit! It’s beautiful, and it’s tragic that people don’t see that. And it’s not just “oh cool old artsy fartsy language.” The dialogue serves so much purpose! “Come back! I love you!” “Liar!” *proceeds to choke her!*

  • @PejabatPengerusiAgung
    @PejabatPengerusiAgung 2 місяці тому +4

    Next year Revenge of the Sith is 20 years old.

  • @HoneycuttVideos
    @HoneycuttVideos Місяць тому +1

    It’s valuable for one to keep stuff like this in mind when one hears about how these films were supposedly hated by critics and audiences. Sure, select groups of fanboys were displeased, but those who actually know a thing or two about art and cinema were in love with what George Lucas and his team accomplished.

  • @CCootauco
    @CCootauco 8 місяців тому +3

    Man, i love Camille Paglia

  • @thepassionate3335
    @thepassionate3335 Рік тому +19

    Hate me but i am a die hard. Revenge of the sith is what made me a star wars fanatic.

    • @raider523-s9d
      @raider523-s9d Рік тому +5

      That's because it could rival any Greek tragedy. A hundred years from now this movie will be studied. And though it has its flaws, it is a masterpiece of the brilliance of one man's creative mind. Thank God for George Lucas

    • @SequentiallyCompact
      @SequentiallyCompact Рік тому +5

      Anybody whose opinion is worth caring about realizes there's some value in the prequel films, and accepts that some people prefer them to the originals for those reasons. Time has shown the major internet critics of the prequels to be vapid and simplistic in their criticisms, and the rest have come around to accepting the positives. Who cares about the ones who hate you for that opinion?

  • @FormulaProg
    @FormulaProg 6 місяців тому +3

    It's definitely the best Star wars film. The three originals are better than the prequels, absolutely! But as a standalone revenge of the sith is perfect. It sets up the original trilogy so well.

  • @orkaherra3010
    @orkaherra3010 Рік тому +6

    not a single word of this was anythint less than spot on

  • @u.v.s.5583
    @u.v.s.5583 Рік тому +10

    IT'S OVER, ANAKIN!!! I HAVE THE HIGH GROUND!
    YOU UNDERESTMATE MY POWER.
    DON'T TRY IT!

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 5 місяців тому

      Then Anakin jumped above him and Obi-Wan hit him anyway. So how important was being above the other person again?

  • @Euripides_Panz
    @Euripides_Panz Рік тому +31

    I didn't go to every SW in theater, but I decided to see Revenge after I went through a book with the art from the film. This was also after I'd read the novelization. There's a lot going on there that many dismiss as "just a terrible film in an epic saga."

    • @aliensoup2420
      @aliensoup2420 Рік тому +1

      Nah, people generally had a problem with the corny dialogue and acting.

    • @Euripides_Panz
      @Euripides_Panz Рік тому +5

      @aliensoup2420 Yah. That's usually what people use to call a film bad. Even by that standard, a film can be outstanding visually, musically, thematically. It's a reflection on how a film can win, but still lose when everything doesn't come together as it does with the relatively few extraordinary films. Even a great film can win and still lose if it fails to be seen outside of film schools and a small number of theaters. Revenge made its mark in spite of its flaws and negative reviews.

    • @14dfree
      @14dfree Рік тому +1

      Star Wars 3 is the only movie in my whole life I’ve seen in the theatres 2 times I’m 25 lol

    • @zzodysseuszz
      @zzodysseuszz Рік тому +3

      @@aliensoup2420the dialogue was not bad and wasn’t any better in the originals. It’s standard soap opera dialogue.

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 5 місяців тому

      @@Euripides_Panz Why do people think it has negative reviews? It has 79% on Rotten Tomatoes. That's certified fresh.

  • @poloMpolo
    @poloMpolo Рік тому +4

    She gets it

  • @ZoggyWoggyII
    @ZoggyWoggyII 7 місяців тому +4

    Sick edit m8

  • @sinoxilurk4126
    @sinoxilurk4126 Рік тому +18

    LET HER COOK

    • @dustycomputer1806
      @dustycomputer1806 Рік тому

      the last thing this person needs to do is cook, check out her views of pedophilia

  • @Geffi01
    @Geffi01 Рік тому +20

    A very intelligent woman.

    • @dustycomputer1806
      @dustycomputer1806 Рік тому +1

      you might wanna look at what she’s said about the age of consent

  • @davidvonallmen19
    @davidvonallmen19 24 дні тому

    She did a great job of explaining why the ending of Revenge of the Sith would have been emotionally compelling if the prequel trilogy films hadn't been so clumsy and boring.

  • @ciattathompson7461
    @ciattathompson7461 Рік тому +8

    New subscriber. Love your videos! Keep going!!!

  • @LauraSeabrook
    @LauraSeabrook Рік тому +5

    SUCH ENTHUSIASM!!!

    • @dustycomputer1806
      @dustycomputer1806 Рік тому

      she’s also pretty enthusiastic about lowering the age of consent and legalizing CP

  • @russellharrell2747
    @russellharrell2747 Рік тому +6

    Auralnauts took the dance-like nature and ran with it so hard.

  • @123mandalore777
    @123mandalore777 Рік тому +20

    Hard agree 100%. And no one has topped it. Revenge of the Sith is not just the best Star Wars film of all time, it's possibly one of the greatest films ever made. It will be remembered when so many other films of it's era won't be. ROTS as a whole is high art, a cinematic masterpiece. It's not entertainment, ROTS is actually a serious art movie that just happens to have a big budget and a lot of action scenes. Revenge of the Sith, and George Lucas's Star Wars is more comparable to films like The Man Who Would Be King, or American Beauty or The Count of Monte Cristo in that's it's not entertainment, it's not made just to entertain you, it's made to enlighten you, it's art, it has a meaning, a message, a purpose for existence. Lucas didn't treat Star Wars as entertainment, the Prequels are not dumb fun entertainment movies, they are not equivalent to the MCU or other mainstream trashy tentpole flicks, and that is where Disney went wrong. Disney saw big budgets and CGI like most of the dumb fanbase did and assumed Star Wars was entertainment, when it wasn't, it was big budget art, and Disney aren't artists.

    • @josh_from_xboxlive
      @josh_from_xboxlive  Рік тому +6

      That's gonna be a big AMEN from me

    • @barkley8285
      @barkley8285 Рік тому

      Calm the fuck down. Go watch fellowship of the ring or there will be blood .

    • @raider523-s9d
      @raider523-s9d Рік тому +6

      This movie will be studied for ages like the classic Greek tragedy. Because you are right it is not just entertainment. It is a hallmark of art that can rival Shakespeare. The tragedy of a hero who sacrificed his values to be the villain showing us how easy it is for us to fall.

    • @kamixakadio2441
      @kamixakadio2441 Рік тому +6

      Indeed. Revenge of the Sith is the greatest and most well written Star Wars movie of all time, even surpassing ESB.

    • @tristanlanphere7736
      @tristanlanphere7736 Рік тому

      The film isn’t THAT good. Many people just look past the many problem’s the film has because they grew up on it

  • @aliensoup2420
    @aliensoup2420 Рік тому +9

    Before I judge, I'd like to hear her take on 'Modern Art'.

    • @josh_from_xboxlive
      @josh_from_xboxlive  Рік тому +13

      She goes into some modern pieces in Glittering Images, including abstract expressionism. It seems she regards it the same way she regards all art, on its own terms. She doesn't offer blanket assessment but judges individual works. She's also sensitive to the Average Joe's skepticism of modern art: "Given this lingering skepticism, it might be wise to admit that there is more bad than good abstract art, which has been compromised over the decades by a host of inept imitations. All the more reason to celebrate the masterworks in this difficult genre." Page 139

  • @zonefreakman
    @zonefreakman 27 днів тому +1

    Still true to this day, nearly 2025.

  • @lazarusmarkith9927
    @lazarusmarkith9927 Рік тому +3

    True

  • @henriquebarreto4124
    @henriquebarreto4124 9 місяців тому +2

    ❤❤❤❤❤👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

  • @14dfree
    @14dfree Рік тому +11

    Dude the writers of Star Wars sequels could never have this much passion. They think it’s all about diversity and it’s not it’s just about such a deep story. Anakin is my favorite character I’ve ever seen in anything and I’m 25 years old I’ve seen a lot of stuff lots of anime. But nothing hits like the prequel trilogy and the story of Anakin turning into Vader and why

    • @SequentiallyCompact
      @SequentiallyCompact Рік тому +1

      The problem isn't really their obsession with diversity, but the fact that most of them simply aren't good storytellers. Kasdan can do well in concert with another talented writer, but not with the likes of Abrams.
      The contrast of how they approached the films with how George approached his is evident in the interviews. George talked about how he wants to reach the audience with the visuals and touch something in the psyche, how everything is a contrast of a hellscape with a heavenly image, etc. The makers of the sequels talked about shooting on old stock and using practical effects, and how everyone would be excited to watch the old cast return to the screen. Nothing about how the films blended into the landscape of the Star Wars saga. It's very telling.

    • @tristanlanphere7736
      @tristanlanphere7736 Рік тому

      Why? Anakin’s fall to the dark side felt so forced?

    • @14dfree
      @14dfree Рік тому

      @@tristanlanphere7736 how? He just wanted power so he could control his outcomes not the Jedi so when windu was gonna kill palp it forced him to choose between the Jedi and power so he picked power. The only cringe was him choking Padme but he definitely didn’t kill her. It was definitely abusive but that wasn’t going to be a constant thing that man had just murdered a lot of people including children so he wasn’t thinking straight but I’m pretty sure palp got there early and killed padme that lil choke wasn’t to kill her he was just mad he brought obi wan there

    • @tristanlanphere7736
      @tristanlanphere7736 Рік тому

      @@14dfree palps just tells him that only with him, can they save Padme ((An obvious lie)). And like that, he goes from a normal nice guy to a child murderer, and no, that one evil thing in attack of the clones isn’t build up.

    • @14dfree
      @14dfree Рік тому

      @@tristanlanphere7736 how is that an obvious lie? The Jedi just say it’s ok for people to die. Palms told him his master learned how to prevent death so if they work together they can find out how

  • @Daygoth
    @Daygoth Рік тому +2

    Someone get this woman an xbox and the Halo trilogy

    • @dustycomputer1806
      @dustycomputer1806 Рік тому

      someone get her a jail cell for what she’s said about lowering the age of consent

    • @cuttlefish6839
      @cuttlefish6839 Рік тому

      ​@@dustycomputer1806even if she has bad takes. Imprisoning people for them is the path to dictatorships. Do you understand little Hitler? Now if she has done something actually illegal and not just have a take me and you consider bad then that's a different story

  • @jinks908
    @jinks908 Рік тому +1

    I can't imagine being stuck on the phone with this woman

  • @andygrams6344
    @andygrams6344 Рік тому +9

    She’s right, but she also overlooks the serious flaws that distracted us when ROTS came out - namely, that a lot of what is happening in the story is stilted due to the line deliveries, and the fact that much of the dialogue and motivation is unearned - told rather than shown. Anakin’s fall works in theory but the build up to it (what should have happened in the first two movies) was poorly developed, such that his final turn is a biiiit of a stretch. The animated Clone Wars series does an infinitely better job of fleshing out the characters and motivations that drive the story forward - the Prequels suffer from a bit too much characters being forced from plot point to plot point. The overall story concept is great - but much of the execution is lacking because Lucas did not have enough Kurtzes and Kasdans and Kershners and Marcias to refine his raw ideas. He had yes-men in the wrong places.

    • @josh_from_xboxlive
      @josh_from_xboxlive  Рік тому +13

      I'm not sure I completely agree with this. I think Anakin's arc is expertly laid out across the trilogy, and his poor decisions are what drive the plot, not vice versa. I disagree that Lucas' collaborators on the Prequels weren't as good as the originals, and I think that underestimated how much he drove every decision in the original trilogy, too. However, I grant you there's some wooden dialogue and delivery, but hey, I've always found that to be a huge part of the charm of Star Wars ever since A New Hope. I have a video on Anakin's arc if you're interested, it might change your mind. Thanks for commenting!

    • @Akaeus
      @Akaeus Рік тому +4

      ​@josh_from_xboxlive people who claim the clone wars series showed Anakin's fall into darkness better than the prequels don't bother connecting the death of Qui-Gon resulting in Ani being trained by a brother figure instead of a father, which he desperately needed as an only child to a single mom, to the loss of his mother after being restricted from doing anything to save her beforehand by the order, to the thought of losing the ONLY person who truly knew his heart. These are the exact milestones that lead to his fall from the light side. The clone wars are just knocking you on the head with all these different points that also lead to his descent into darkness, but the more important reasons happened in the movies.

    • @xaropevic7918
      @xaropevic7918 Рік тому

      @@Akaeus I think that should be kinda obvious that Clone Wars series showed better than the prequels because it straight up had so many episodes that it had an absurd amount of time to develop every piece directly, while a trilogy movie does not have enough time obviously, which should not mean that the prequels developed it poorly.

    • @fundhund62
      @fundhund62 Рік тому +6

      @@josh_from_xboxlive I have yet to hear a single line of bad dialogue in the prequels, to be honest.

    • @barkley8285
      @barkley8285 Рік тому

      @@fundhund62”
      Jfc just watch any scene of anakin in episode 2 motherfucker says shit like “your in my very soul tormenting me, I can’t breath”

  • @littleoldmanboy
    @littleoldmanboy Рік тому +4

    Cool video but turn down the volume on the music. Better yet just get rid of it entirely. It serves absolutely no purpose except making her hard to hear.

  • @sketchysketchu
    @sketchysketchu 8 місяців тому +1

    Oh hello again, lmao you can probably tell how I got here

  • @silvercrystal13
    @silvercrystal13 Рік тому +2

    It's sad most prequel fans are right wing extremists that wont like this perfect analysis

    • @jedijones
      @jedijones 5 місяців тому +2

      LOL, what? Camille Paglia is actually a libertarian that criticizes liberal orthodoxy for many of the same reasons that "right-wingers" do.

  • @ArqCaduGarcia
    @ArqCaduGarcia Рік тому +1

    i hard disagree, and not because of the finale's artistic value, which is indeed huge, but mainly because that finale is anchored in what came before it, and well... Jar Jar. lol

    • @obvious_owl7206
      @obvious_owl7206 Рік тому +13

      That adds to the drama of it though. Going from the more innocent tone of TPM and bringing the story to literal hell by the end of ROTS. There’s no story if Anakin was born a monster, it’s more interesting to see how such a thing could happen to this selfless, loving kid. Jar Jar is the lowly character that helps restore the symbiosis between the Gungans and the people of Naboo. He plays to the innocence while showing us not to underestimate those we don’t understand.

  • @billysunerson
    @billysunerson Рік тому +3

    This is satire right?

    • @kamixakadio2441
      @kamixakadio2441 Рік тому +3

      No, it's a showing of understanding

    • @billysunerson
      @billysunerson Рік тому

      @@kamixakadio2441 see now you must be a comedian, or someone who saw a crap movie through the lens of uncritical childhood acceptance.

    • @dustycomputer1806
      @dustycomputer1806 Рік тому +1

      sadly no, prequel fans are so desperate for validation they’ll celebrate a person who openly advocates for lowering the age of consent and legalizing CP

  • @Quiksilverfish
    @Quiksilverfish Рік тому +2

    Awful movie

  • @Soc1alBK
    @Soc1alBK Рік тому +2

    Revenge of the Sith was trash and her entire piece was an absolute waste of breath.
    Her interpretation is laughable at best.

    • @josh_from_xboxlive
      @josh_from_xboxlive  Рік тому +7

      Fair enough, thanks for stopping by :)

    • @Akaeus
      @Akaeus Рік тому +7

      If you don't like starwars I'd understand your hate for the prequels... but nostalgia leads people to believe that the original trilogy was better, but they weren't any better in terms of character development and dialogue and pacing.
      George's specializes in storytelling, but he himself knows his dialog isn't good and he isn't the best director. It's the story of the tragedy of Anakin Skywalker and the new hope that is Luke and Leia. That's why they're all good stories, but they ALL are mediocre films aside from the special effects which started a vfx Renaissance of sorts. Great works don't have to be perfect in every single conceivable aspect be great. You're opinion is valid and that's your preference although factually you are not correct in calling it trash when the majority of persons who have seen the films say its a timeless story. Instant classic.

    • @raider523-s9d
      @raider523-s9d Рік тому +7

      Pure Greek tragedy.

    • @tristanlanphere7736
      @tristanlanphere7736 Рік тому

      @@Akaeustrust me, almost everybody of every age group say that the original is the best trilogy, it isn’t just nostalgia, I could actually argue that same point against the prequels. Many Star Wars fan’s, who grew up on generally consider it to be much better than the film, actually is. It is a lot of people’s gateway into Star Wars and i respect that. And most people, at least the people I’ve met, don’t like the prequels.