The Academy has always hated Lucas, a person from humble beginnings who marched to his own beat and still does. He comes at things form the standpoint of an artist. He wants to make money and you better believe the bottom line is of the utmost importance but he's not afraid to experiment and sink money into things - sink or swim. Look at Red Tails and Clone Wars respectively. He's a risk taker and thats to be respected.
I have had the privilege of visiting museums all over the world, and the main reason people think of modern art as a scam is because it is. The real art is all contemporary. Comics, illustrations, movies, televisions shows. That is the living art that people desire. And then there is this sub culture of elitists who deal in art that has on real merit except for the stories they can dream up to rationalize it.
Wow! Every time I hear this woman speak I am impressed [not the least by her machine gun delivery :) ]. And I pretty much agree with everything she said here.
I am an artist. I've been so all my life. Until recently, I have felt the reason I have not been able to become empowered as an artist is because I'm too white , too male, too heterosexual, too marred, and I have two kids. Since moving to Rome NY, I have entered art into showings ,and recently won best of show. Add where you are, as well as who you know.
Matt Miniatt I hope you don't mind asking but could I see your work. I'm a developing artist and I really like to look at other people's work.....I know it kinda sounds weird
Flat out Brilliant woman on all levels.........and I like the fact that she is reviled by cultural elites...simply because she is glaringly correct with clear, brutal insights on the pretension and hypocracy of a liberal (in the worst sense), disconnected, wealthy political class ..
Star wars is mentioned by the great Joseph Campbell in his PBS interviews and his book "the Hero with a thousand faces" about mythology from around the world having the same basic archetypes (eg warrior, magician) and the same basic story arcs (eg the hero's journey: initiation, testing, combat, return to home) which you can see in Luke Skywalker, and many other stories - The magician of OZ etc. For all it's kitsch, Star Wars hits on archetypal battles we all face, as Jordan Peterson would say.
I believe “Hero with a Thousand Faces” was published in 1949… and I don’t recall any reference to Star Wars in the book. George Lucas was definitely a student of Campbell though. Campbell died in 87…. I wonder if he got to see the story he inspired before he died.
Revenge of the Sith, imo, is the best film in the series. I understand why the two previous films were criticized but I don't get the hate for RoS, outside of the poor acting by Hayden Christenson, but I can put up with it because the mythological themes are so powerful.
The story is abortively developed. Especially considering the constant racial cringe in Episode I, it's clear that when Lucas decided to do the prequels he didn't bother rewriting anything. He just dusted off his first attempts at screen writing, flipped through them and said "yep, pure gold." By the time Lucas wrote Episode IV his writing had matured some. No doubt Paglia is right about his deep influence on culture and the movie industry. I think she likes the duel in Episode III because it's a dramatic clash of two strong masculine personalities, which is something that has withered away in Western drama.
I wonder how many people win a debate with Camille and intellectually 'prove' that she is wrong in any of her many theories about society, modern art and feminism. Because the way how she speaks, the confidence, the knowledge and the intelligence are far and beyond many of the so-called 'scholars' of todays world. Just like James Joyce, some people are just so smart that to truly understand them you need separate small sections of what they said, then research their meaning so you can (maybe) get a grasp of what they are really talking about.-- sorry for bad englando.
The high Renaissance was the pinnacle of artistic achievement (Michelangelo, Alberti, Brunellesco, Raphael, etc). Beginning with the impressionist movement the quality of art embarked on an accelerating decline in quality.
Speaking as someone who visits galleries as a pasttime, I havent seen an actual work of art since the mid 90s. Mostly I just get drunk and giggle at the poop on a stick corndog "representing capitalist food".
Paglia doesn't seem to understand that conservatives generally adore classical art.(Unless she's talking about abstract) She's right about WASPS, but the top down of Conservatism in America has shifted from Protestant to Catholic since the Reagan era. Outsider art and stealth high art embedded in commercial media still thrives. She would probably agree though that the best comedians come from strict conservative upbringings. You have to be drenched in that prison to be able to comment on it, otherwise your just a blind strawmanning hack like Lena Dunham. She has always kept her focus on institutional manifestations, but everything innovative comes from the independents.
Love Paglia as always, but these guys need to either figure out how to film in front of a green screen or get a normal set. The green skin tones and bad rotoscoping are really distracting.
Almost thought she was a brilliant until she spoke about politics. Blaming Obama for divisive racism in America? C'mon. I bet she voted for Stein again in 2016 and help bring in Trump.
There have been better, more original parts of films in the last 30 years surely, off the top of my head anomalisa or the act of killing/look of silence were truly unlike anything I've ever seen before
Money laundering for drugs and human trafficking profits rules the day in the art world, with hectoring polemics making it even more deadening and manipulative. DULLSVILLE. The creeps running the art carnival want to run the show forever, but things change...
I love Paglia but she's wrong about RoTS and the prequels. They are not god movies with some bad bits, they are terrible movies with some good bits. BTW I defend Jar Jar who I see as a victim... it's not his fault he was written into a movie where he is not needed or welcome.
I was 14 when I watched Revenge of the Sith in the cinema and I was so bored. I thought SW was so overblown until I watched the old trilogy. Redlettermedia breaks it perfectly down, Lucas is all about the money, not the art.
I agree with most of this but Star wars is trivial kids stuff. Also, according to Paglia there is no great contemporary art out there. She is wrong. There are Tuymans, Doig and many other great painters working today. What is worth pointing out though is the fact that the people in the art establishment push painters like these into obscurity for reasons of idiocy.
+13tuyuti Tuymans might not be the best example for my argument, I agree. But even he was pulled out of the shadows only after some 20 years of work while nonsense like hirst, emin etc. instantly got promoted. I am Slovenian. Do you know any great Slovenian painters? Of course not. The establishment is busy promoting nonsense while ignoring complex quality work that gets produced today. Borremans? Sorry, not my thing. Boring cliche type of realism.
Of course you are right that there is a lot of shit in the art world but as you said Tuymans and Doig are bad examples because they both are getting the attention they deserve and maybe a little more. Any great Slovenian painters? Maybe IRWIN but I am not sure if you could call them contemporary and I know them through the music of Laibach and not through the art world.
I like Paglia--a lot--but some of her art analysis is ridiculous. Revenge of the Sith? Really, Camille? You've got to be kidding. It's kid stuff. Storyline by the Joseph Campbell paint by numbers system. Storyboarding by the Roy Rogers school of action adventure. Star Wars is just part of the juvenalization of the modern man. In film, let's see--greatest artist of the late 20th C--Lucas or Kubrick, Kubrick or Lucas? Who sold the most action figures? That says it all. Yeah, riiiiight.
tryptala, I won't say you don't know what you're talking about, just that your perspective distorts how the ideas come across. She anticipated and addressed your critisism really really briefly (really how much time did she have?), and I'd be inclined to read all of her reasoning before trashing the idea. Star Wars IS for kids first, and something that can be enjoyed by adults as a secondary consideration. It is kind of funny, and sad that adults declare their fandom without a sense of self awareness.
@@tryptala do you not realise that people can appreciate Lucas AND Kubrick? They're probably my favourite two directors. If you deconstruct Lucas as nothing more than kid stuff, you could do the same with anything including Kubrick
The world desperately needs more women like Camille Paglia.
How is Paglia a special snowflake? You clearly don't know what that means.
The Academy has always hated Lucas, a person from humble beginnings who marched to his own beat and still does. He comes at things form the standpoint of an artist. He wants to make money and you better believe the bottom line is of the utmost importance but he's not afraid to experiment and sink money into things - sink or swim. Look at Red Tails and Clone Wars respectively. He's a risk taker and thats to be respected.
I have had the privilege of visiting museums all over the world, and the main reason people think of modern art as a scam is because it is. The real art is all contemporary. Comics, illustrations, movies, televisions shows. That is the living art that people desire.
And then there is this sub culture of elitists who deal in art that has on real merit except for the stories they can dream up to rationalize it.
She's great, if you took a shot everytime she said "I'm saying" or "it's an outrage" you'd be floored.
Wow! Every time I hear this woman speak I am impressed [not the least by her machine gun delivery :) ]. And I pretty much agree with everything she said here.
I am an artist. I've been so all my life. Until recently, I have felt the reason I have not been able to become empowered as an artist is because I'm too white , too male, too heterosexual, too marred, and I have two kids. Since moving to Rome NY, I have entered art into showings ,and recently won best of show. Add where you are, as well as who you know.
Matt Miniatt
I hope you don't mind asking but could I see your work. I'm a developing artist and I really like to look at other people's work.....I know it kinda sounds weird
Flat out Brilliant woman on all levels.........and I like the fact that she is reviled by cultural elites...simply because she is glaringly correct with clear, brutal insights on the pretension and hypocracy of a liberal (in the worst sense), disconnected, wealthy political class ..
The Avent Gard can come back. In the genre of stand up comedy. There's still hope.
Star wars is mentioned by the great Joseph Campbell in his PBS interviews and his book "the Hero with a thousand faces" about mythology from around the world having the same basic archetypes (eg warrior, magician) and the same basic story arcs (eg the hero's journey: initiation, testing, combat, return to home) which you can see in Luke Skywalker, and many other stories - The magician of OZ etc. For all it's kitsch, Star Wars hits on archetypal battles we all face, as Jordan Peterson would say.
I believe “Hero with a Thousand Faces” was published in 1949… and I don’t recall any reference to Star Wars in the book. George Lucas was definitely a student of Campbell though. Campbell died in 87…. I wonder if he got to see the story he inspired before he died.
Camille is a fascinating women! Very interesting. I have always loved art.
Revenge of the Sith, imo, is the best film in the series. I understand why the two previous films were criticized but I don't get the hate for RoS, outside of the poor acting by Hayden Christenson, but I can put up with it because the mythological themes are so powerful.
"Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!" -Darth Vader
You do understand he is supposed to be talking through a voice synthesizer, and for the first time, don't you?
Grubnar Nooooo! is the most cliche way of showing sadness. That's why that scene is unintentionally funny.
The story is abortively developed. Especially considering the constant racial cringe in Episode I, it's clear that when Lucas decided to do the prequels he didn't bother rewriting anything. He just dusted off his first attempts at screen writing, flipped through them and said "yep, pure gold." By the time Lucas wrote Episode IV his writing had matured some. No doubt Paglia is right about his deep influence on culture and the movie industry. I think she likes the duel in Episode III because it's a dramatic clash of two strong masculine personalities, which is something that has withered away in Western drama.
It's a great film, and Hayden Christian wasn't even bad.
I wonder how many people win a debate with Camille and intellectually 'prove' that she is wrong in any of her many theories about society, modern art and feminism. Because the way how she speaks, the confidence, the knowledge and the intelligence are far and beyond many of the so-called 'scholars' of todays world. Just like James Joyce, some people are just so smart that to truly understand them you need separate small sections of what they said, then research their meaning so you can (maybe) get a grasp of what they are really talking about.-- sorry for bad englando.
Camille Paglia is my hero!
She is the most based person ever
Based on what?
Camille Paglia rocks! What an interesting person.
The high Renaissance was the pinnacle of artistic achievement (Michelangelo, Alberti, Brunellesco, Raphael, etc). Beginning with the impressionist movement the quality of art embarked on an accelerating decline in quality.
Camille is still on fire. . But this is old. Spot on.
I love this woman!
Speaking as someone who visits galleries as a pasttime, I havent seen an actual work of art since the mid 90s. Mostly I just get drunk and giggle at the poop on a stick corndog "representing capitalist food".
The only way for Art to be shocking today is to be Religious.
This interview goes all over the place lol
Thank you Camille!
Paglia doesn't seem to understand that conservatives generally adore classical art.(Unless she's talking about abstract) She's right about WASPS, but the top down of Conservatism in America has shifted from Protestant to Catholic since the Reagan era. Outsider art and stealth high art embedded in commercial media still thrives.
She would probably agree though that the best comedians come from strict conservative upbringings. You have to be drenched in that prison to be able to comment on it, otherwise your just a blind strawmanning hack like Lena Dunham. She has always kept her focus on institutional manifestations, but everything innovative comes from the independents.
Good insight.
I wish this crazy old broad was my mom
Love Paglia as always, but these guys need to either figure out how to film in front of a green screen or get a normal set. The green skin tones and bad rotoscoping are really distracting.
HULK SMASH!! lol
Dude, don't mention green screen in regard of a video about Lucas...
Hahahhaa
I like Rembrandt.
Videotape til death do us part..
What makes this Interviewer think Humanity is going to LAST another 10,000 years?
"Have fun on the Internet!"
Madonna is a genius and George Lucas is a genius.
If you seek wisdom, listen to Madonna and watch Star Wars all the time.
Holiday! Celebrate!
Madonna's work is absolutely brilliant.
She is right, art is in an echo chamber, and that echo chamber is far left. All they hear is their own small bubble.
if you want to find true 'artists' ...play some top flight computer games,read some comics
agreed....I think she almost got there with Lucas.....but hopefully she'll starting gaming soon...
i upvote, retweet & endorse the rejection of stupid gimmicky stunt art
"rehearsed gestures of rebellion" yep. yep. this.
Modern art, Picasso, Dali, Warhol is still trash though. I'll keep enjoying the Hudson School and Waterhouse.
Camille doesn't realize by modern standards that she is conservative.
.... thats what you got out of this? .... 'conservative'
Abstract art is a joke and a last refuge for the talentless.
She is not going to like The Last Jedi
LMAO she lost me when she starts arguing that the end of revenge of the sith was some kind of masterpiece, above all other contenders.
It is
Ok?
Almost thought she was a brilliant until she spoke about politics. Blaming Obama for divisive racism in America? C'mon. I bet she voted for Stein again in 2016 and help bring in Trump.
There have been better, more original parts of films in the last 30 years surely, off the top of my head anomalisa or the act of killing/look of silence were truly unlike anything I've ever seen before
both of those came out after this interview for starters
Money laundering for drugs and human trafficking profits rules the day in the art world, with hectoring polemics making it even more deadening and manipulative. DULLSVILLE. The creeps running the art carnival want to run the show forever, but things change...
gg
I love Paglia but she's wrong about RoTS and the prequels. They are not god movies with some bad bits, they are terrible movies with some good bits.
BTW I defend Jar Jar who I see as a victim... it's not his fault he was written into a movie where he is not needed or welcome.
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The prequels are at least better than the last one, The Force Awakens.
They're bad movies, but she isn't wrong about Obi-Wan and Anakin's standoff. That battle was really well done cinematically.
I was 14 when I watched Revenge of the Sith in the cinema and I was so bored. I thought SW was so overblown until I watched the old trilogy. Redlettermedia breaks it perfectly down, Lucas is all about the money, not the art.
I agree with most of this but Star wars is trivial kids stuff. Also, according to Paglia there is no great contemporary art out there. She is wrong. There are Tuymans, Doig and many other great painters working today. What is worth pointing out though is the fact that the people in the art establishment push painters like these into obscurity for reasons of idiocy.
Tuymans being pushed into obscurity??? Here in Holland and in Belgium he is a god in the art world. And Borremans is way better.
+13tuyuti Tuymans might not be the best example for my argument, I agree. But even he was pulled out of the shadows only after some 20 years of work while nonsense like hirst, emin etc. instantly got promoted. I am Slovenian. Do you know any great Slovenian painters? Of course not. The establishment is busy promoting nonsense while ignoring complex quality work that gets produced today. Borremans? Sorry, not my thing. Boring cliche type of realism.
Of course you are right that there is a lot of shit in the art world but as you said Tuymans and Doig are bad examples because they both are getting the attention they deserve and maybe a little more. Any great Slovenian painters? Maybe IRWIN but I am not sure if you could call them contemporary and I know them through the music of Laibach and not through the art world.
She lost me at George Lucas.
I like Paglia--a lot--but some of her art analysis is ridiculous. Revenge of the Sith? Really, Camille? You've got to be kidding. It's kid stuff. Storyline by the Joseph Campbell paint by numbers system. Storyboarding by the Roy Rogers school of action adventure. Star Wars is just part of the juvenalization of the modern man. In film, let's see--greatest artist of the late 20th C--Lucas or Kubrick, Kubrick or Lucas? Who sold the most action figures? That says it all. Yeah, riiiiight.
tryptala who's Kubrick?
If you're the best artist of all time, but nobody sees your work, are you even an artist?
Who's Kubrick? Please tell me you're joking.
tryptala, I won't say you don't know what you're talking about, just that your perspective distorts how the ideas come across.
She anticipated and addressed your critisism really really briefly (really how much time did she have?), and I'd be inclined to read all of her reasoning before trashing the idea.
Star Wars IS for kids first, and something that can be enjoyed by adults as a secondary consideration. It is kind of funny, and sad that adults declare their fandom without a sense of self awareness.
@@tryptala do you not realise that people can appreciate Lucas AND Kubrick? They're probably my favourite two directors. If you deconstruct Lucas as nothing more than kid stuff, you could do the same with anything including Kubrick