MSI AMD Motherboards (2024) - Tomahawk, Carbon and ACE!
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- Опубліковано 1 чер 2024
- Congratulations, you bought your brand new AMD Zen 4 processor, perhaps this Ryzen 7 7700X for just over 300, or the Ryzen 7 3D for about 350, or the full fat Ryzen 9 for about 550. But which motherboard would logically go with your new processor? Leo has three AMD motherboards here from MSI, which will show you a huge range of options and prices.
00:00 Intro and pricing
01:13 Hardware and some thoughts
02:42 MAG B650 Tomahawk Wifi
02:58 In the box
03:15 Up close
05:10 MPG X670E Carbon WIFI
05:27 In the box
05:45 Up close
07:48 MEG X670E ACE
08:06 In the box
08:19 M.2 Expander card
08:41 Up close
11:09 Some quick testing
14:07 Leos thoughts
The three models are:
£180 MAG B650 TOMAHAWK WIFI
£430 MPG X670E CARBON WIFI
£740 MEG X670E ACE
The test system consists of:
Processor: AMD Ryzen 9 7950X
CPU Cooler: MSI MAG CoreLiquid E360
Memory: 32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo DDR5 6000
Graphics card: MSI RTX 4080 Gaming X Trio 16GB
Power supply: MSI MEG Ai1300P ATX 3.0
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SSD: Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus M.2 NVMe
OS: Windows 11
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It’s everywhere sadly 😢
Thanks KG, three great looking motherboards - nice to see more of these on show, havent seen you guys doing many lately!
Our pleasure!
Will you
Do Amd gigabyte boards too or Asrock ?
Great article. Love the board overview bit and close ups on layout and io panels. Really useful if I’m in market for a new board.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Lovely camera work. Great focus on the boards !!❤
Thank you! Cheers!
Bought the 7700x and x670e-m Gene board on release. I was planning on updating to the X3D when it came out but didn’t bother. Waiting for the 9000 series X3D chips.
Thank you very much, helped me settle on the Carbon! Very good review format.
Glad it helped!
I bought the MPG carbon to use with my 7800x3d. Works great. Didn't think I needed the ACE. Kind of an overkill
Nice review!
The 2 670e boards really only makes sense functionally if you need to run 2 GPUs and have a high-speed PCI express slot in reserve for future expansion like video capture cards.
Both of these lack thunderbolt functionality (no built-in, no headers). Comparably priced gigabyte and asus models offer this.
Thanks Leo enjoyed this coverage of latest MSI amd boards. Really good.
Glad you enjoyed it!
been eyeing the ace primarily for the 10g nic, they arent overly cheap to add to one of the cheaper boards
That ACE board is amazing - ive an older model, best board on the market.
I have the MSI mag B650 Tomahawk for my 7800X3D and i love it... Cheap, stable and a very nice look.
I got the Tomahawk 650B in January, very pleased indeed, well made and the Bios is very clear to use, I run a 7600 in it for gaming and general internet use, recommended.
Good to hear some feedback about these from people using them
What about the x670e Tomahawk compared to the carbon? Those are the 2 on thinking about getting
I have the b650 Tomahawk with a 7800x3d, so am I losing performance? Is it worth upgrading to the Carbon WiFi? I also have an rtx4090.
There is 1 minor issue of X670E Carbon:
At the end of the Primary M.2 slot (near the AM5 socket), there is a knob protruding upward which will cause some NVME getting stuck when you want to take them out. You have to wiggle and pull up intensively in order to take the NVME out.
Good article got a lot out of it thanks
Glad to hear it
The Carbon is my favourite considering the price point - really good motherboard. I had to move to MSI lately, Gigabyte dont always update BIOSES and I had a lot of bug issues.
14:03 -- "scored in line" on Speedway means within 0.3% but below. Tiny bit surprising but within sampling error, it may be supposed.
Msi x670 Auros Elite Ax vs Msi x670E carbon wifi which one is best??
Choose the Carbon. 4 M.2 -2 Gen5 2 Gen4. No desire to install a gen5 drive but it should get everything out of a gen4 drive (2 SK Hynix P41 2tb). The Carbon was one of the few boards that populating all the M.2 slots did not steal bandwidth from the PCIe slots
You have it. ? What kind of performance results are you getting with it ?
There is something here that don't add up. Any AMD 7000 series CPU have 24 PCIe gen5 lanes. If 16 of this is used for a GPU and 4 of them is used for thunderbolt or USB4 support or what not, how can it possibly run 2x M.2 gen5 x4? That sums up to 28 lanes+ the 4 lanes going to the chipset. With 2 gen5 M.2, it must cut the bandwith in half for the PCIe slot or for the M.2's. If it cuts the bandwith for the M.2's to gen5 x2, then a gen4 drive would have around gen3 speed.
@@Audiosan79 check the manual or the specs page. 2 gen5x4 M.2, 2 gen4x4 m.2
M.2_1 Source (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_2 Source (From CPU) supports up to PCIe 5.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
M.2_3 Source (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 22110/2280/2260 devices
M.2_4 Source (From Chipset) supports up to PCIe 4.0 x4 , supports 2280/2260 devices
6x SATA 6G
2x USB 2.0 (Rear)
4x USB 2.0 (Front)
4x USB 3.2 Gen1 Type A (Front)
6x USB 3.2 Gen2 Type A (Rear)
1x USB 3.2 Gen2 Type C (Rear)
1x USB 3.2 Gen2 Type C (Front)
1x USB 3.2 Gen2x2 Type C (Rear)
I did get it confirmed, that the MSI X670E carbon indeed run the M.2 gen 5 in x2 mode when both M.2-1 and M.2-2 is populated.
another good one Leo!
Glad you think so!
I have a b550 gaming edge wifi. I find that most MSI boards are good, but there is always the chance of a stinker, such as the X570 Tomahawk
Any reason for the B650 to be running the CPU that much hotter at a lower frequency? Looking at the hwinfo, it was only at 60%ish of it's power limits, whereas the others were up in the 80-90s. Possible a bad cooler mount?
All three CPUs were running at 95 C which is the way of Zen 4 however it seems particularly unecessary with the lower power draw and slightly lower clock speed on the B650.
Leo
So an advert... where is the testing, ie see how far the ram can go on the boards, and where is opinion if the bios is easy to navigate or not, and if the bios is buggy or not and so on... mobo tests are so lackluster these days.
Its a 'showcase' of three MSI boards - if it was a review we would label them reviews - they wanted us to show these boards to viewers. We also do reviews of products and they are all clearly labeled before you click links. It says you have been subscribed to us for 6 years, thank you for the support over the years.
Like that all black design looks very snazzy would contrast nicely with a white case.
How were the boot times? I heard this was a problem with MSI boards due to memory Training or something like that
They were all pleasingly rapid. There was a delay of 10-15 seconds after EXPO was enabled but that was all, so much better than we have previously experienced.
Leo
I have a problem with a tomahawk series motherboard where realtek audio does not work even though the audio jack is inserted and detected, only a hum is heard, and a clumsy solder joint at the bottom sata port so it feels like it's going to break, and I have tried to RMA and it was rejected,
What country are you in ?
I'm so glad i don't have worry about that for long time after last upgrade
What did you get. I’m thinking about a new board but want reliable. So unsure as i used to buy asus all that time but here they aren’t so good now
@@Necromancerbob-zp7us
ASUS ROG Z690-F GAMING WIFI
INTEL CORE I7-12700K s1700
2x16G CORS VENG RGB DDR5 6000
ASUS RTX 4090 ROG STRIX OC
MSI Meg X670e Ace:
8:43 -- "remarkably smart" looking 👍
9:18 -- ddr5 at 8000, wow
0:57 -- yes, a "somewhat terrifying" price of £740
A Leo video, yes! A great overview. Very clear and well-presented.
Given that you were looking at a £700+ motherboard, I’m disappointed that you didn’t compare it to a Threadripper motherboard. Or don’t MSI make one?
I would also like to see you pay more attention to internal expansion . For instance, could you place a 10 Gb Ethernet or a capture card - or both - alongside a large GPU (e.g. a 4090) on those boards? Will the M.2 drives get hot underneath a big GPU? I actually chose an Asus X670E motherboard because I could run a big GPU like my 4090 and also a 10 Gb Ethernet card. (It actually hosts my A770 right now.)
Threadripper has become so niche and expensive that it merits proper standalone reviews of specific motherboards. I must confess the WS WRX80 looks intriguing
www.msi.com/Motherboard/WS-WRX80
Leo
@@KitGuruTechThe WRX80 is TR4, isn't it? TRX50 motherboards start at £700 - very competitive with high end Ryzen - but the 7960 is £1270 - not so competitive.
Keep up the good work.
It's going to be interesting when the 'updated' x670 (x870) motherboards start to appear (in time for Zen5 release). While Zen5 will function aok in most/all current AM5 MB's, what new functionality will be incorporated to justify the x870 R&D? Anyone who has bought the expensive MSI MEG x670e ACE, for example, will probably be a bit p#d off if significant new features are added to the x870 equivalent.
Interesting! what is the relation between VRM and cooling? I mean, It's totally understandable that better VRM means more & better juice to the CPU which can push further, still this should also be directly correleted in lower temp. If the CPU is consuming less power (less joule effect) and the CPU cooler is the same, why they are all reaching 95°C thermal cap? 😕
AMD Zen 4 pushes the CPU to use the available resources in a triangle of power-heat-performance. In essence if you improve cooling you won't see a temperature drop but will see a slight boost in performance.
Leo
@@KitGuruTech I'm just stonked that same cooler and 157W caps out at 95°C like 207W (Carbon) and 210 W (ACE).
So ~25% Less power to dissipate with 157W and the same cooler but zero less temperature.... Sounds weird. Thank you Leo for your prompt interaction!
Don't forget the audio codec which is a reason to buy these boards over others.
you guys always do the best reviews
well this isnt really a review, but thanks regardless.
Mighty meg.... Seem a lot of money for a motherboard!
I LOVE the looks and features of the MSI X670E ACE, but I am waiting for the new AMD chipset and CPUs to arrive, hopefully in the next 4 months. I already have the case, Jonsbo TK-2, cooler, Artic Liquid Freezer III 360 ARGB, ARGB reverse flow fans, memory Corsair 96GB DDR5 6600, M.2's Crucial T705 4GB and HP FX900 Pro 4TB, power supply Corsair AX1500i. What I want is a new Project Zero board with the new chipset and 10G Ethernet, 5.0 PCIe and M.2, and USB4. I have other bits and bobs I'm using, like the MSI RTX4090 Gaming X Trio GPU, but can't wait until the new CPU/Motherboards release to build it.
Exciting times. You seem more patient than me mind you 😂
@@bobsmithson8592 Yeah I dont think I could have all that sitting waiting to be built!
I like that ace.
It’s a very Good board
Cant believe the speed USB type C can transfer its crazy.
Thanks. That was cool review.👍
Glad you liked it!
That B650 is a pretty decent spec for the money quite good value. For an AMD board that is.
I personally feel that both MEG ACE and GODLIKE motherboards are going towards those liquid nitrogen overclockers... MPG Carbon is the best for normal usage as a high-end gaming PC.
It looks like the X670E has a bigger box than the others so therefore must be a higher price tag.
Personally love the darkened approach of the Tomahawk. Shame MSI decided to save 2p and not include heatsink for all NVMEs. That would trigger my OCD more than anything. That would be a pass from me.
Don’t a lot of nvme drives come with heatsinks now anyway ? I know my western digital one has a hs
extra nvme heatsinks are really cheap or not?
The issue with the M.2 expander on the high end board is that people spending that money are likely to have a 3+ slot GPU that renders the 2nd PCIe slot unusable with the current comedy GPU sizing. Unless you could house it in the 3rd PCIe, which looks very tight given the amount of connections that will be plugged in at the bottom there, then it becomes unusable for many.
The expander card in the 3rd (gen5 x4) slot would restrict you to only one SSD (each M.2 SSD uses 4 physical lanes). That bottom gen5 x4 slot, however, is equivalent in speed to a gen4 x8 slot or a gen3 x16. Currently, no GPU maxes this out, so providing it fits in the case etc, you could put your GPU in the 3rd slot and free up 16 gen5 lanes spread across the 1st 2 slots (16/0 or 8/8) e.g. two expander cards to add 4 more gen5 SSD's.
@@ChrisM541 I can't imagine any GPU today fitting in the bottom slot without being low profile, but the second yes that could be doable and the first slot could then hold the expander as you say.
All ATX(+) motherboards like it's still 1998 🙄
Back then you had Soundlblaster soundcard for sound and joystick connector, 1 (or 2) Network card, TV Tuner card just for fun, Video capture card to connect your video camera, all the different stuff. Nowadays though? Lonely GPU on an oversized MB.
ROG Strix B660-I gaming WiFi. The next one will be AM5 though. Except Intel steps up the game with efficiency and full gaming performance at i5 level.
Cost shouldn’t matter in terms of…well I have a 4090 and 7950x3D. What should factor in is your use case. You can have cheaper parts and use an ace and vice versa with the tomahawk
Honestly could have done without the gaming decals on the high end board.
With these new releases, do you think mobo makers/AMD will still release a new chipset series for the next gen of AM5 chips? Not gonna lie, that top-end model is pretty swish!
I have the ACE. It's a great board. I'm not 100% pleased with it however and at the money i paid (big Dollarydoo's) that's a problem.
👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I don't get why there are so many chipset. A620 for budget but should have better VRM than existing models, B650E for everyone else. X670E might make sense for professional use, but then you could also just get a Threadripper if you really need a lot of PCIe lanes. X670 is just weird and B650 does not really offer much more than A620. Overclocking? Try overclocking modern AMD CPU's, it does not make sense. At most you want to lower voltage curve, cool them well and use low latency memory.
Example: Asus B650E-E cost less than the X670E middle model MSI:
- 8-layer PCB
- 16+2+1 70A total overkill already
- PCIe 5.0 X16 slot for GPU and two other slower slots if you ever really need them.
- 2x gen5 M.2 + 2x gen4 M.2
- error code display
So with B650E chipset you get PCIe 5.0 and gen5 M.2 for future unlike with B650 non-E, and a better board for less money than with X670.
That ace board is unreal. Next level. 😮
Meg Ace $679 in US as of 5/2/24
nice
Thanks
I’d like to see gigabyte and ASUS boards too
Why would one choose any from MSI at all?
Great boards thats why. owned a lot of them in the past. ACE in particular is brilliant
AM5 really the good deal today
This video is weird AF, X770 is coming with Zen5. MSI is being sneaky to clear old X670 stocks?
X670 is king if you want the most out of your 9 series cpu
Very debatable, boils down to if you believe PCIe5 will be relevant in the next 5 years. A 4090 is only "just" maxing out PCIe 3.0 now but you can absolutely get away with it. PCI 4.0 will be fine for at least the next two GPU generations, by which time you may want to move to the next new Intel or AMD socket anyway. The extra money spent on a X670 over B650 perhaps better used elsewhere.
Informative video. Very descriptive. I'm running an AMD Ryzen 7 3700X on a ASUS TUF Gaming B550M-PLUS WiFi motherboard. It's been rock solid since I built it in August 2020.
Glad it helped!
MSI forgot to include USB4 on their AM5 motherboards 😂
Motherboard pricing is rediculous. It is as if the price ceiling was removed when EVGA left the market (in addition to the economy being terrible).
I tend to have the best experience with gigabyte motherboards. After that, a far second is between msi and asus.
interesting to hear - which board are you using now?
@@KitGuruTech main 2 builds have a x670 elite ax and b650 pro ax
Same. I hear bad things, but I have never had an issue with any Gigabyte products or Asrock for that matter. Never owned an MSI product. Ive actually had the most issues with Asus products.
@rickgear2579 Yeah, my local microcenter pushes asus hard, but they have the most returns on them, so go figure. Tons of prime and tuf boards.
Yeah my last two ASUS boards failed. Have an MSI ace and it’s been great. Almost went with Asrock board but I heard poor things about RMA
MSI on a marketing push to distract from their awful Claw, I suspect.
lol quite a stretch. They have been making motherboards for quite a long time.
Clearly no MSI, their motherboards are killing m2 ssd... and their customer support sucks
I always found their customer support good when I needed it. Maybe country specific.
@@amdforlife5591 in the US they are really rude...
Could you possibly say MSI just one more time ….other motherboards are available
You do realise this is in the title? its a look at three MSI motherboards? How can you miss the title of the video and then take time to write that out?
I thought the title was “which to buy?” Came across as an extended MSI advert more than anything else., the m/b being not the only MSI items mentioned
@@LifeIsButaBluff Its a showcase video, we toggled on the paid for content button at start to show this. Its not a review - its a showcase highlighting features, I/O, board layout, ports, product support and overall what you get for your money. It is not a review of each board and there is no indepth testing - correct.
If we get time we will review some more motherboards - but each board takes weeks to analyse to the level we would be happy publishing as a full on 'review' video.
While not a full review, we do show features in this video for the three boards, differentiating features, between three price points. Some people have found it useful based on comments, but if you want an indepth analysis of MSI, Gigabyte, ASUS and ASROCK boards - then yes, this video is not for you.
With curent bios and expo i will stay away from msi.
I wouldn't buy any of them, I hate MSi. I'd much rather buy an ASRock X670E PG Lightning.
None of them they are MSI..
Finish off with a rip-off Nvidia GPU..
My final buying decision would be Asus..
Really ? I had so many issues with my last ASUS board. Wouldn’t touch them with a barge pole.
ASUS? no chance. corrupt company