Sam Seder Saddened By The Death Of Libertarianism
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"And Seder wept for there were no more chuds to conquer."
LMAO
Thats great.
😢
"In this world there are only two tragedies: One is not getting what one wants, and the second is getting it."
2021: Freedom, freedom, freedom...
Late 2023: Dictators aren't so bad.
freedom, freedom freedom. where we're going, we don't need freedom.
Lol 😂😅😂😅😂😅. They need a new flag with a flattened snake with a boot print.
@@johnnygoodman2003 It's not that Trump destroyed their movement. They've been hiding their bigotry and fundamentalism behind the mask of freedom since before the Civil War.
Exactly. Trump was just a catalyst.@@similaritiesendhere
@@johnnygoodman2003you keep posting the same shit.
The reason why the brand of right-libertariamism Sam is talking about isn't around as much anymore is because most of those idiots have shifted fully to fascism by this point.
What you said. 🎯
Yep… with a Christian Nationalist offshoot and a techno-feudalist offshoot (where most former libertarians have gone). Those seem to be the two ideologies the American right are cohering around.
Libertarians were always just brownshirts. They wanted freedom to harm and repress others.
I think enough people asked them how they can be libertarian and freaking out over borders at the same time, so they tossed the whole "we believe in freedom of movement" bit.
They call themselves "Republicans" but don't believe in a Republic.
Libertarians would be the first ones to complain loudly if their ideas (or more accurately lack of ideas) were actually implemented.
Like all the right wingers currently complaining about capitalism (over half of the inflation rate spike can be attributed to profit margins).
Aren't they the first ones eaten by bears when nobody picks up the garbage?
Argentina enters the chat
You know that when governments are needed to push your ideas, they are bad ideas
Hmmm.... I thought we already HAD libertarianism! Aren't you guys always talking about how we currently have free-market capitalism, and that THAT's the problem in the first place? Do we currently have free markets or not?
What Americans call 'libertarianism' was never anything more than a marketing campaign designed to make John Birch Society conservatism seem cool to young edgelords.
Clearly, the perfect moment for Sam to take the Libertarian presidential nomination is now
"Libertarians of the US, unite! You have nothing to lose but your driver's licence!"
He should. But then he'd have to debate actual members of the party, which he refuses to do. Instead he takes easy targets, like the average Libertarian voter. I bet Sam can't even name one person currently running for the LP presidential nomination.
@@joekopsick1540Why do you think the average libertarian voter is such an easy target?
@@EricLeafericson Because they're not prepared enough, to advance the policies and principles, to the extent that they'd be willing to run for office. Sam debates average voters instead of candidates because they're easier targets than candidates are.
@@joekopsick1540 Then they should actually try to call in, & then call Sam out on social media for not answering.
Where is Libertarian Superman exactly?
When a group of politicians tell you they intend to come for you; you should believe them, and so keep them out of power.
yeah, we never used to let the crazies get so close to power. cause of how crooked our society, they can just buy their way in now. shameful
The GOP went from “we don’t care if you all die” to “we will actively pass laws that cause you to die”.. and people still support this shit because they think they will be part of the in group
You would think so. Unfortunately, American institutions are just as deluded by American exceptionalism as the average American. They just can't believe it could happen here.
“They intend to come for you”
Good, because that’s the opposite of libertarianism.
@@garysmokesmeat Sorry, I don't understand your point.
Damn, its true, they dont have weird libertarians calling in anymore. I almost miss them lol
thats because they all snapped into reality and went left (centrist or soc dem) or far left, or went further down the right wing pipeline into Fascism. Don't get me wrong, Libertarianism works tho, just look at how economies ran in the 15th century, thats Libertarianism, its just feudalism with police and corporate Boards instead of nobility.
Miss the Scalia constitutionalists
Libertarianism is always a means to an end, and not a real ideology. They never actually want to shrink the government, just the parts of government they don’t like.
They need a new flag with a flattened snake with a boot print.
OK but that runs contrary to the common criticism that Libertarians want to abolish all government. So you admit Libertarians don't want to completely abolish the government. Congrats, you played yourself
Exactly. In the end just horrible people who want to dump chemicals in the water.
@@joekopsick1540 Huh? Were they talking about the common criticism? Go touch grass Ben Shapiro.
@@joekopsick1540If they actually wanted to abolish all government, they’d be anarchists, not libertarians.
I've noticed a shift in the (admittedly pretty insular) world of academic political philosophy as well. There are still libertarians in this space, but as few as 10-15 years ago, many of them were still defending their positions on largely utilitarian grounds ("unregulated markets will lead to less aggregate suffering on balance, than central planning," etc.). Nowadays, the arguments seem to be almost entirely deontological (e.g., rights-based). Few, it seems, can make the utilitarian arguments with a straight face now that it's become so obvious what unregulated markets, in fact, do to people, their communities, their cultures, and their environments.
The only reason why libertarians appeal to utilitarian beliefs is because utilitarian beliefs are the only beliefs that centrists and neoliberals like you and Sam will accept. Libertarians TRY to make principled arguments, but you guys don't believe in principles we support, such as freedom, because you think "it doesn't work", even though you can't prove it doesn't work, because we've never tried it. There's never been a Libertarian president, yet all of America's problems are blamed on the libertarianism that we've barely tried since the Gilded Age. Completely unfair.
Tell me this: Do we have unregulated markets right now, or don't we?
@@joekopsick1540 Ah, well, it's good to know the old "the real problem is that we've never had 100% of the thing that's already managed to fuck the world up--probably irreparably--in moderation" chestnut is still in circulation. I suppose not everything has changed.
@@joekopsick1540 Your whole philosophy is a joke. Even Stalinism makes more sense.
The thing is, the markets aren't unregulated. They may just be under-regulated or the regulations don't get enforced properly.
@@billyscenic5610 I'm a libertarian Stalinist
there has indeed been a distinct lack of discussion about age of consent amongst the callers
Sam Seder once tweeted that he wishes Roman Polanski would rape his own daughter. Sam Seder would be on the anti- age of consent laws side of that debate. Libertarians understand that children do not have the right to cut their dicks off, you guys don't.
I'm sure we'll eventually get a collection of republicans to pick up the slack. There's lots of Mike Moon types out there.
The Goose stepping Nazi is the new Libertarian.
Meet the new fash, same as the old fash.
Sam Seder was the best leader they never had.
They need a new flag with a flattened snake with a boot print.
@@johnnygoodman2003 "please don't tread on me"
Sam should have run. He was thinking about it. If he ran, he would have pulled libertarian socialists into the LP. Maybe even enough to outnumber the Bitcoin-promoting fascists who are currently running the party. I would welcome him if he ran! The press would have a field day.
@@joekopsick1540 the debates would have been awesome
@@samuelgross6653”Twas rude of you to tread on me”
when you have absolutely no idea how gov works, so therefore you decide nothing works - Libertarian
I was a libertarian, little l, and I'm a democrat now. Ironically, the Democrats seem the most libertarian, as far as I understand the philosophy, and not the crazy tea party perspective...
At the very least, Dems support or try to legislate the things libertarians used to pretend they wanted.
Some of us really did just want openly gay married people to be able to defend their weed crops with automatic weapons and get abortions.
I still hold to some libertarian values. I just believe that democratizing the workplace, and building union power is neccesary in order to build the institutions that will replace the state without making literally everything worse. Never thought I'd grow up to be a dirty socialist.
considering their opponents are literally fascists, i should hope so
Democrats are pretty big-government too. between republicansd and democrats, the democrats are comparatively CLOSER to libertarian ( personal liberty ) but still far imho.
@@nemesisurvivorleon "Big government" is nonsense. It doesn't tell you anything about what you're advocating for or against.
All of the so called Libertarians moved over to fascism.
Well, they always were baseline authoritarian, so the move to full fascism is pretty easy for them.
A few comment chains up somebody tried to pass off a Rothbard quote about anarcho capitalism (neo-fuedalism) as some sort of ethical foundation of libertarianism.
Which is technically correct, as a lack of ethics is the ethical foundation of Libertarianism.
"moved"
Ehh, not all of them. I was a libertarian... then Trump came along and I went to the left. And I'm... FAR from the only one in that regard.
They stayed in the same place but changed the verbiage. Or they grew up a little and realized a canon with Ayn Rand as its leading light is a temporary fixation for young right wing people.
I used to think that libertarians we're just embarrassed conservatives that were trying to seem like they weren't just falling in line with the typical conservative populism culture war nonsense, but secretly had no problem with it anyway.
I still do, but I used to, also.
I used to be super involved in Libertarianism in college. I was involved with local party politics. Trump basically destroyed libertarianism. All of us either became leftist or became basically white nationalists.
Yeah I split in 2020 when the BLM protests knocked that mask off and I suddenly found myself surrounded by insane amounts of cop dickriding with some flagrant racism for good measure. Never looked back. Since then I've only drifted left(but certainly not authoritarian) and with the party now controlled by the mises caucus its Hoppeification is complete.
I had the same experience as you. I used to think libertarians should have no problem with gay people then I saw people like Caitlyn Bennet or Josey the “Red Head Libertarian” constantly bash gay and trans people. Made me really think about the entire world view.
Took the words out of my mouth
I was interested in Libertarianism, but then their policies were explained to me, and that was the end of that.😂
I self-identified as a libertarian for a long time until socialist stances were explained to me... and then I started going to the left. And yeah, you're kinda right; they either went left or went full fascist.
$10 says Sam gets a call by the end of the year from a guy claiming he has never debated a "true" libertarian.
It's December 20th. There are 11 days left in the year.
Anyone taking that bet is losing their money.
Maybe you should tell that $10 to mind it's own business! ;)
@@BaronVonQuiplyI’m gonna call in and pretend to be said libertarian so they can win the bet
@@BaronVonQuiply I think they are off for a week so it may be a nail biter.
@@itsROMPERS... My doctor keeps telling me to ignore the voices but I'll give it a try.
I actually thought I was a libertarian back in the early days of my political awareness. Until Ron Paul got up on the debate stage.
And then what happened? Can't even tell from your comment whether you consider Ron Paul a libertarian. Are you saying he discredited libertarianism? Because he left the party after 1988
@@joekopsick1540He's said some crazy shit recently, but at least he isn't a Zionist , actually delivers when it comes to being anti war ,against the drug war , legalization of marijuana sounds great actually .I don't know if I agree with the majority report on this issue entirely , I used to be a huge Ron Paul supporter and not so much now ,as I've gone much further left today , that being said I'm also not necessarily conventional or black and white and partisan when it comes to politics .I hate saying it but Ron Paul is a much better option then the democrats or Republicans today, I also think cornel west and or Jill stein are also good .We need more unity not discord and however choose wisely who to unite with.
Paul is no more "libertarian" than trump is a Christian.
@@joekopsick1540We seriously need to stop this black and white thinking when it comes to political issues especially pertaining to the ones of today .Both parties are fucking garbage ,choosing between Biden and Trump is like being asked whether you want a president that literally ignores mass death of oppressed people to look good for others that he's afraid of criticizing and wants us to send money 🤑 everywhere except to something benefiting Americans .We have millions of people homeless and without healthcare and biden wants and needs more 🤑
@@joekopsick1540Btw I Voted for Biden in this past election but there was a libertarian named Joe Jourgenson and her running mate Spike Cohen had political positions t t that were excellent 😢but I didn't vote for her because I though she couldn't win.
Knowing where you want to be is one thing, but getting there from where you are is the actual work. Libertarians never seem interested in the universal reset required to make their fairness fair. Without that the biggest existing fish just eats everything, immediately and we're all owned by a corporate warlord within a week.
You’d also need repeated universal resets, because the problem you describe would just repeat itself over and over.
what do you mean by universal reset ?
I love Sam Seder
I love his grift
@@JohnnyDelco Dude, if he were a grifter, he could make a SHITLOAD more shilling for the right! Dim Tool certainly isn't broke!
@@JohnnyDelco i love your tears.
This channel was sort of built upon debunking those libertarian debating points that so many morons in the mid 2010s loved regurgitating over and over. That’s when I got into this channel. I really miss people calling in saying how tax is theft and states should be able to allow slavery only to be made a total fool out of by Sam and Michael
Good times.
People went as far as saying states should allow slavery? ☠️
I mean... let's be real. As someone so eloquently put it elsewhere in the comment section: Trump killed the libertarian movement; they either went to the left or they just went mask off and became fascists.
LOL well, I'm sure Taraji P. Henson was just so sad about that horrible capitalism.
@@jirehguy yeah, this guy ACTUALLY said that. Albeit reluctantly. He said we should allow them to, but not to worry because no one will. Insanity…
People need to remember that Steve Bannon and Ka$h Patel are 2 of the most important and dangerous people in their own minds.
Steve is a mortal danger to himself. His liver is going to pack it in any day now.
They're not Libertarians though. They're Republicans. Strawman
Steve Bourbon
@@nerag7459if his red Rudolph nose is any indication of the amount, copious amounts of gin he's tossing back, his liver is sure seen its better days.😅😅
The first step to being a libertarian is winning the birth lottery and being born into an affluent family.
You really don’t need to even be rich. Just middle class enough to where you never felt poor and never had any major obstacles while probably not ever working a minimum wage job.
Step two is buying/borrowing/being gifted Atlas Shrugged instead of Lord of the Rings. Its all downhill from there.
The first step in becoming a leftist is to never leave your parents basement
absolutely
@ToeHogan Thanks bro! I was hoping someone would shed some light on how I can become a libertarian! I'm going to get started on that right away!
Mannnn i literally just fell down the entire libertarian caller rabbit hole a couple weeks ago that went allllll the way back like 12 years ago and i was craving more 😂😂😂
Dude I was just thinking about how I used to LOVE Sams libertarian caller debates.
Ahh old MR nostalgia lol. Those libertarian debates were the best
Thank you for saying that Sam! You're a horrible person!
My algorithm hasn't been this fucked since I contracted Maupin brain worms
Trae Crowder described perfectly when he said they are like cats because they truly believe they are fiercely independent, while also being completely dependant on a system they just don't have the capacity to understand
"Radical Left Wing Media?", classic projection.
Kash Patel? More like Fash Patel
@@IizUname more like Fash Pedo
You literally can’t be more left wing
@@westonmeyer3110Has anyone employed by the big TV Networks or Cable outfits in any official capacity called for the workers of America to seize the means of production or voices support for the Nationalization of industries?
Kash Patel's dream of America would literally be the worst country in earth. I would move my family almost immediately....I can be a doctor in any country really. Granted as a veteran, I do love my country and feel like fleeing is just giving up. But with a LGBTQ daughter in her teens, and a disabled spouse, I just can't with these idiots.
No one likes to goof on libertarians more than Sam and I love it.
He doesn't goof on libertarians. He goofs on Republicans and pretends they're libertarians. He would NEVER have an actual libertarian candidate on his show because he'd lose that debate.
@@joekopsick1540 Libertarians are a joke to the anarchist community. The Scrooge Mcducks who want to be hippies.
@@joekopsick1540call in
@@joekopsick1540 cry more.
Keep eating shit. 👍
They’re alive and well where I work. Don’t tread on me shirts and hats are everywhere. Conspiracy theories and don’t tread on me merch abounds.
But they’re not trump loving idiots.
@@josephmarzullo most of them are actually. It’s all very dumb.
@@josephmarzulloI have yet to read or hear anything from self avowed Libertarian types the last 8 years that even comes close to rejecting Trump on any grounds, much less ones that abide by their own supposedly deeply held Libertarian Principles.
@@miguelvelez7221 the one guy that only talks about “the government, guns, or property rights”, did say “well I don’t like that he doesn’t pay people” while I was listing the things I don’t like about trump. (I was asked. I didn’t just start listing things I don’t like about trump at work) lol.
@@lt3tretrois If Libertarians actually believed what they say so often and so loudly half of BLM Marches would have been populated by Libertarians. Funnily enough they never seem to have much to say about agents of the state performing extra-judicial executions in the streets. For some reason that doesn't fall under "state overreach" or some such.
I don't know much about libertarianism, but anyone with the snake flag as a profile picture usually has the worst opinions possible
Bannon lays out a better case for his own prosecution every day.
Steve Bannon isn't a Libertarian though, he's a Republican. Sam can't criticize a "libertarian" unless they're a registered Republican. Why do you think that is? Because if he ever debated a real Libertarian, he'd lose.
@@joekopsick1540libertarianism is an ideology, Republican is a party
Sam we get you’re disappointed. But let’s be adults about this. The market has spoken!
My take on Libertarians is that 1] they are goofy, and 2] they will get at most 1% of women to buy inro their plans. Women will not want to live in a Libertarian society, if they have a choice.
So often when Americans talk about "libertarianism" they are referring to right-libertarian beliefs. But there's also a left-libertarianism; we can only hope that the decline of the former leads to growing interest in the latter.
From what I have been seeing the latter has been leaning into full on anarchism instead of the "anarchist light" that left-libertarians tended to lean. Funny enough libertarian used to predominantly BE left wing.
former libertarian (now socialist) checking in to confirm it seems like the ideology has waned a lot over recent years. thanks sam!
I used to be too. I don't know what it is but I feel like everyone I knew as a libertarian became a socialist eventually. It's almost like it's an ideology only palatable to children and more worldly experience will almost inevitably pull you away from it.
You were never a libertarian because you completely missed the moral argument.
You also skipped over the socialist calculation problem too.
@@DUDEBroHey The moral argument for libertarianism is pretty weak, I can see why they would move away from it quickly.
@@2vexy you didn't even say what it is making clear this is a straw man.
Please keep this video in mind come November 2024. Biden is a bell that can be unrung. Trump is not. This election has to be about putting the left in the best possible position for 26 and 28.
For every purple haired kid there are 1000 White wing Karens speed dialing the cops.
I'm not sad about the death of Libertarianism. Just means people are actually adults now
Sadly, I'm afraid you're wrong. All those people are just chuds now
Oh, don't worry. I'm sure this form of economic libertarianism will come back. All you have to do is babble to teenage boys and those brats will easily fall for it. (and yeah, it's teenage boys. There's something underdeveloped in those moron brains that makes them very susceptible to this kind of nonsense. )
They are? Since when, exactly?
they mostly grew up to be fascists so thats pretty unfortunate
@@bkbland1626Since they stopped being Libertarians
Always important reminder that there’s a difference between true Libertarianism and American Libertarianism
Last one I talked to lost his mind when I pointed out Sovereign Citizen was a stupid self contradiction , after that I couldn’t make sense of his committee system of government.
omg that’s hilarious 🤣🤣
On paper, libertarianism sounds great, just like communism does from a purely theoretic POV. It's only when you get people who use such systems to create authoritarianism and oligarchies around themselves when the real world version of it becomes obvious and repugnant.
Libertarianism is retarded on paper. When Ayn Rand is your leading intellectual light that’s a clue you’re doing internet soundbite level thinking.
to be fair, those systems in places like China and Russia were not "Communism", they only had parties called "Communist Parties" their goal was to use Lenin's Method to achieve socialism, in which they failed. That doesn't mean communism or socialism is unreal, as we do have worker owned companies and unions (an element of socialism) its just that its suppressed and hasn't happened yet, just like it took us over a thousand years to get a democratic system working with republics
Former libertarian party member.
The libertarian party has been taken over by the “Mises Caucus”, a rights for me but not for thee strain of libertarian thought that’s quite comfortable with fascism.
Those of us who were leftist in the party left.
So we’re not full fledged socialists but at the moment that seems to be where we are camping.
How ironic that libertarianism always mutates into fascism.
@user-kx4dp1ki8pArgentina's president.
It doesn't always morph into fascism. But that doesn't mean their ideas would result in a functioning society that is anything like what they envision. What libertarians fail to realize is that their ideas for society inevitably result in neo-feudalism. I've debated a lot of libertarians. They inevitably run away when pressed for details on how they would prevent Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, and others with wealth from establishing their own fiefdoms. Every. Single. Time.
Just as liberalism always mutates into communism
@@westonmeyer3110 Riiiight. . . keep dreaming. Communism is unworkable for many of the same reasons libertarianism fails. That pesky human element. But tell yourself whatever you need to help yourself cope, cupcake. 😆
the koch brothers funded holocaust denial and got their wealth from their dad who built hitler's oil refineries.@user-kx4dp1ki8p
Which would win?
1) a whole village run on libertarian ideology
2) bears
Anarcho-communist: 😊
Anarcho-capitalist: 🤢
Neither 'philosophy' is viable because humans gonna human.
@@user-gk9lg5sp4y that’s convenient. What do you suggest?
Stalin
They talked about the actual video topic for like 2 minutes.
Sadly it appeared very strongly in my country , we have since a week or so a anarcho-libertarian president and yeah its a disaster already. Today will be a test how he will handle protests .
The last libertarian I debated nearly committed suicide because their worldview was shattered
How did you defeat them in debate? By bullying them, and taunting them, by saying we'll never have freedom, and nobody wants it?
@@joekopsick1540No by saying none of their ideas make any sense.
@@soulknife20 Like freedom? Like abolishing the Federal Reserve, which is a private corporation? How is it that Libertarians want corporations to do whatever they want, when they want to abolish the private corporation that is the Federal Reserve, yet people like you and Sam Seder want it to continue to exist? If Sam Seder wanted to debate real Libertarians, then he would stop pretending that Republicans like J.D. Vance are libertarians, and he would have an actual person currently running for the LP presidential nomination onto his show. He doesn't because he knows he'd lose that debate.
@@joekopsick1540 What are your thoughts on the coal miners of west Virginia during the "Coal wars" who revolted against their CEOs and even fought for their freedom during the "Battle for Blair mountain"?
Would you say the coal miners took the freedom from the CEOs or the CEOs fvcked over their workers to the point said workers revolted just to have better workers right?
@@joekopsick1540 Oh my god the victim complex in your people is strong.
Ever wonder if this is why you people have such rampantly poor mental health and lack of success in politics? Because of your endless insistence on being the victim and being "oppressed" by others?
Because you didn't refute anything here, you just whined and complained and assumed "Oh poor Libertarian must have been oppressed by evil Statists."
Libertarianism has always been the third wheel of American Politics
At least since the mid-19th century with JS Mill.
Until the internet only American Libertarianism was ultranationalist
@@floepiejane Mill was a utilitarian, he was a fake libertarian. Utilitarians use human beings as tools. That's slavery, not freedom.
More like the not-so-secret mistress of right wing fascism.
More like the flywheel of the Republican Party
I miss the lightbulb buyers and Denny's managers and school lunch haters and jetpack riders or guy who rage quits because somebody wants "to put a gun to his head to drive a car" that used to call in here. Sam v any libertarian is always a classic, it draws out the inner asshole in Sam and I love it.
Guys don't you think with the new libertarian president from Argentina, more of these guys would be calling? Please Sam, please send out a call to all those guys and ask them to call in. And have them tell you how libertarianism is going down there. It's 1984 in real life.
I'm from Argentina, and so far he is finally doing what has to be done.
@@Max_Power_ You are speaking from despair. You think that by voting for another strong man is going to make everything better? By embracing neo liberalism even more? All he is going to do is enrich himself and the rich people who live good while you suffer massive inflation. You nihilists simply recreate the conditions for your despair.
@@Max_Power_
@@Max_Power_you’re “from” Argentina but you don’t live there now right? and you prob live in the US?
I’m not surprised you agree with him lmao
@@advisorywarning It's the opposite, I always lived in Argentina and I'm still here. The ones that I've seen that voted against Milei were for example Argentinians living in USA or Spain.
I finally read Atlas Shrugged and it's truly amazing that anyone could be inspired by such a childish book. You can get better and deeper insights from Terry Pratchett's books. Really.
The right libertarians are mostly just republicans now. There are still some left libertarians like myself however I suspect people like me would never call and try to debate Sam on some rather trivial and small points of disagreements.
What is a left libertarian? That sounds contradictory to me.
@@floepiejane anarchists, libertarian communalists (Bookchinists), libertarian socialists, left-wing market anarchists, Georgists, and Mutualists are all left-libertarians. We exist
@@floepiejane
Literally anarchists. The term was used in the first time by Louise Michel and Sebastian Faure in the newspaper "Le Libertaire". They use the word to avoid the repression against anarchists in the decades after the Paris Commune. Paris Commune was a example of left libertarianism in pratice: internationalism, participative municipal direct democracy, abolition of wage serfdom, transformation of factiries intonworkers cooperatives, abolition of death penalty and so on.
I never understood how anyone who calls themselves a libertarian could support Trump. Especially after looking into this project 2025 that I've been hearing about for a while.
@@joekopsick1540 How can you be "left" and still support property?
I used to have a lot of libertarian views until I watched Sam Seder debate libertarianism 😭
Kash Patel....more like Fash Patel.
Lmao I just said this on another thread
Im here for this ❤
american "libertarians" are better labeled proprietarians, as they are most concerned with owning property and think only those who own property should have power.
Temporarily embarrased plantation owners.
You can preemptively caution people about preemptively getting mad, but the other choice is "accelerationism" (the hail mary) or at least some huge sacrifice that personally seems worse than voting for a candidate that is the result of the country's history that bears no responsibility on one person or one position in time. So if you choose that latter option, you better start making a plan instead of being defeatist, which of course is another option an unfortunate amount of people will take.
Any political ideology that wants little to NO "government interference" in the lives of citizens is an insane idea that seems to forget that America has changed a bit since 1900. Big Government is not a problem.....it is a NECESSITY!!!!!
To a reasonable person, yes. But these types are confident they’ll be the ones benefitting from a country with a “small government.” Small government really just means police state. The police are always the one thing they won’t cut. In fact they’ll expand the police, because law and order=liberty, so more police=more freedom. Here they are talking about rounding up political opponents and they wonder why they get called fascists.
They want America to be like it was in the 50's.
The 1850's.
This will likely be an unpopular comment, but it's something I've observed. Why are so many people of Indian descent so insanely right wing? Not just in the U.S., but Britain as well: Priti Patel, Suella Braverman et al. Not to mention the assassinations plot in the U.S. and Canada.
Interesting question and possibly true but idk but one thing I’ve noticed living in NE US where a huge demographic change took place in my town is they do vote in numbers; either party would love to have them.
A culturally-ingrained caste system that defines some humans as inherently better than others, a long history of extremely wealthy and powerful empires for bitter and dispossessed people to idolize, combined with a period of brutal exploitation by foreigners that killed 100 million and left the people poorer than they were 200 years before. It's a perfect storm of cultural superiority and cultural shame that drives people toward fascist ideologies
It's ironically not too different among American Muslims. There's plenty of both that:
1. Are just congenitally "Culturally Conservative". No matter how modernized they imagine their thinking is they will always err on the side of misogyny, religious chauvinism, anti-cosmopolitanism, anti-intellectualism and an embrace of Conspiracy Theory to explain the world and absolve themselves of any actions, past or present.
2. Many are aware of the extent of U.S. government meddling around the world, often with first hand knowledge. They buy into the "Anti-Intervention" rhetoric that is always popular among the American Right so long as they are not welding Congressional or Executive power. Once that's been accomplished they will sabre rattle and impugn anyone's character who even mildly wants a rethinking of foreign policy. There's Hindu Indians and Arab Muslims that take those talking points by the Right at face value.
3. Hindus and Muslims with more extreme views have common cause with Fundamentalist Evangelical Christians and even many Jewish individuals and sexts... Fighting against modern Atheists.
The Party's antipathy towards non-Christian religion combined with racial bigotry is what keeps both groups from putting a bear hug on the GOP.
No I refuse to accept it. We've got to be able to have Walter Block debate again or maybe some old Ron Paul staffer. Where are the jet packs?
I always thought it was stupid that so many people left the libertarian movement simply because they were bullied online.
This is like a murderer being sad about their victims death lmao
EXACTLY. This douche had an opportunity to run as an LP presidential candidate, and he didn't do it. I would LOVE it if someone ran inside the LP promoting libertarian socialism. Matt Kuehnel ran for LP chair as a libertarian socialist and it was hilarious.
See how Argentina plays out.
The death of Libertarianism is severely overstated. Where I live you can't get away from them. Just last week I heard one of them say "How are kids today gonna overcome 5 generations of debt? Well, their solution is to take it from the rich so we don't have an economy anymore and we're all eating out of the same trash can at the same time." If they have shifted to fascism and the movement is dying, I'll be very happy, but I still doubt it.
It's always been fringe nothing ever truly goes away there will always be some fringe hipster neo-confederate minded men keeping the tradition alive if only barely
"Where I live you can't get away from them"
Where do you live? I'd like to move there.
@@joekopsick1540 Oh no, I'm not about to goad any more of you guys out here, nuh-uh no way.
Libertarianism never lived.
i mean them all becoming open fascists isn't exactly an improvement, except that they're being more honest and thus more toxic to normal people.
Gone are the days of making toast in your own d*mn toaster
...., just ask the M&M's, and Mr.Potato first, gurl
Do either of those people actually think the head of the CIA is supposed to have the power domestically to do what Kash said?
*Sam may deserve a year-long period of mourning!!!!*
NO STEP ON SNEK!
It's not rhetoric if they're actually going to do it.
Yes, it is. Rhetoric is your plan to explain what you want to say. It's about how you say something, not what you say.
Thomas Sowell is probably the best example, though he doesn't and has never declared it. If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then Ochaims Razor pretty much declares it is in all likihood and probability, it is a duck.
Who is Ochaim?
Has he ever criticized trump authoritarians? Nope
Well... If it's got feathers like a duck, webbed feet like a duck and a bill kinda like a duck and it lives in all the exact places a duck does...
It might be a goose.
Which is close enough. American Reactionaries are never just gonna morph while cloth into The German Nazi Party of the 1930's/1940's.
Nazism is the duck. American White Nationalist Authoritarians are the goose. Close enough.
And what does a goose do? It goose steps.
@@josephmarzullo Yes he has!
What do we do about people who can't vote for Biden because of the lame response to the Gaza mayhem? Tell them that they should enjoy the next Trump administration then. Eight years later and we're back to "I just can't vote for Hillary..." And the hand wringing by sites such as yours have a lot to do with this upswing in the number of people who scream about how they have to have a perfect candidate or nothing. It's like if I can't have a beautiful, clear sunset, then bring on the comet.
It does seem that Bibi thinks he hit the jackpot here, for neither likely president is going to tell him no. Fate found Biden's achilles heel. But Biden is also not only a past veep but one of the most senior Democrats there are. Another cycle or two and he'll have gone to heaven (and met a God who asks him what in the world he thinks he was doing). What God allows and what God wants are often not the same thing.
I'd like to know what the next generation Democrats think of all this.
Or... we can decide NOT to blame the voter for the hellscape corrupt politicians create.... and put the onus back on the sob who green lit genocide. "Lame response"... the reckless fool almost started ww3 with Iran and Lebanon within a couple of weeks after oct 7 for letting the lunatics in Israel off their leash. Barely squeaked out of any further escalation, and it's still a very real possibility since hes been providing cover for those psychos ever since. He can't be bothered by 20000+ dead and thousands more injured and THOUSANDS more starving civilians.
No. Not the voters who will carry the burden on this one. Voting for the lesser of two EXTREME evils has not worked and will not work.
My suggestion is the rest of you who haven't been sufficiently morally injured by this depravity, need to wonder why, shift YOUR strategy, and get on board with the idea that if enough of us vote 3rd party, that candidate will be able to leverage our votes to move these corrupt sobs off their fascistic agendas. Enough is enough playing this game of the illusion of choice that they make us play every 4 years.
That's some victim blaming bullshit.
Dems keep giving us Turds to vote for and act surprised nobody is patting them on the back. Genocide Joe needs Trump to win.
@@farhadchaudhry if you don't vote against fascism, you don't get to complain.
Whenever you deprive the world of libertarians, you are making it harder for Sam Seder to get his morning breakfast. He's a carnivore, he needs their supple flesh in order to live. You don't want Sam to starve to death, do you?
More libertarianism for us leftists I guess.
Would be cool if left-libertarianism became the default association with the name again.
Man I was starting to think I misremembered that fact. The collective ignorance of the world nearly gaslit me like the Mendela Effect
@@KarlSnarkstrue libertarian here.
There is no such thing as a left wing libertarian.
Even the most moderate left wing parties are extremely involved with the state.
@@westonmeyer3110 the label was literally invented by a French anarcho-communist.
The flag should say
DONT READ TO ME
😅😂😂😂😅
He’s right. I have noticed that there seems to be a lack of libertarians arguing for their wacky ideas in online spaces. I agree with Sam and I kind of miss arguing with them.
It's largely because most of those libertarians either went in two directions:
1.) The same direction I went and became a full-fledged leftist.
2.) The opposite direction and full-fascist because they just wanted to be an asshole.
I love how it goes from "Libertarians aren't around as much" to "look how scary the Republicans are now" to "hard to vote for Joe".
Argentina has a libertarian president
He is trying to impose a dictatorship now, because right wing libertarianism doesnt exist, its only neoliberal fascism.
No Argentina has a right wing strongman who says alot of things but will end up like every other neo liberal leader: either arrested for corruption or fleeing the country.
Javier melei is debunking everything Seder stood for against libertarians 😂😂 that’s why he doesn’t utter a word
They need a new flag with a flattened snake with a boot print.
This is the 4th time I’ve seen you make this same comment.
😂🤣😂
@@Franciskev2 I post more than that. Enjoy
A libertarian just became president in Argentina lol
If only.
He's an AnCap not a libertarian lol
Hes not a libertarian, hes an AnCap aka a Fascist, first thing he did was crack down on protests and dissent and is trying to make people suffer by cutting the value of his currency.
@@sempressfi even worst
Same breed though
@@josuebarboza9809 yeah I suppose the damage done is very similar. People need to stop falling for people who straight up look like villains lol
Actually ancaps might be better.
Libertarians cozy up to fascists while ancaps are ideologues and they tend to actually believe in civil liberties and anti war messages.
Turns out the libertarians were really anarchists all along
Hopefully Biden drops his ego and drops out, the sooner the better for a Progressive who will drive pro votes rather than harm reduction, though whoever emerges from Primary is who needs utmost support.
I love Alex's commentary when he's on the show. Also, he sounds very much like Weird Al Yankovic to me, which somehow makes me like him more.
You mean Republican Light? They all.turned hard right
And it's your mistake
Yet another sign of the absolute LACK of any quality representation that the people of Ohio are going to get from Sen. J. D. Vance.
Ugh…I will experience zero sadness
“Kash you’re probably gonna be head of the CIA” LMMFAO 💀💀💀
Kash Patel is unaware he's derp.
You have no idea how much i miss libertarian debates
Does anyone remember Adam Kokesh? Aka "Adam Vs. The Man"?
libertarianism is just liberalism with low taxes.
So basically, liberalism that doesn't work
In my universe, the only Republicans with libertarian credentials are Rand Paul and Thomas Massey, both from Kentucky. Justin Amash (Mi) was the best, but he left the Republican Party after voting for Trump's impeachment. J. D. Vance means nothing to me.
offensive operations??!!!
Speaking of which Sam, Glenn Greenwald who you’ve previously labeled as a libertarian as a smear had an interview with Tucker where they both heavily criticized Libertarian economics. How is Glenn a libertarian again?
He's gone "States Rights" on abortion. He's been financially backed by Peter Theiel.
But please... If he's doing or saying things that are Incoherent or hypocritical... That's literally also the Reactionary playbook.
@@miguelvelez7221 so on some social issues but not economics? Idk if that’s enough to truly call him a libertarian.
@@jacobnelson6042Is it a coincidence that he's for years been holding water for the movement and political party in the USA most opposed to Libertarianism and its goals and policies? And social issues aren't as separated from economics as some like to think. It also says something that in fact the first thing he jettisoned were "identity politics" issues for women and others. It's something many on the Left don't understand when they think Economics Trump's all. If a system is still oppressing minorities it would still be immoral whether it's a full on Social Democracy. Medicare For All could be law of the land but if the nation also outlaws Abortion for women that is still unfair and unjust.
In order to be a real Libertarian you have to believe it is a real thing in the same way a six year old believes in Santa Claus. If anyone asks you any stupid questions like what your pretend platform means or how it even gets down our tiny chimney you can answer with "Well how did all these presents get here?"