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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2022
- Dave appears on the MythVision podcast to discuss the flat earth phenomenon, in particular the recent devastation that was the David Weiss debate. To mix things up Derek invites a flat earther to call into the show, and comedy ensues. Only to be watched by those who are not sick of my flat earth content. You've been warned!
Originally streamed 4/28/22 on the MythVision podcast channel: • Destroying Flat Earth ...
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Professor Dave, I hope my comment makes it to your eyes at some point. I know you’re a busy guy so reading every comment on your UA-cam channel is likely impossible. But I’ll leave this in the hope that you see it at some point. Mostly I want to say thank you. My daughter has some slight learning disabilities and her mother, my ex wife, is a flat earther. My daughter is 15 but with her learning issues has roughly a 2nd or 3rd grade math and science capability. Her mother had at one point attempted to “teach” my kid flat earth garbage. Basically, she was unsuccessful in part because I found your channel. The higher level debunks were a bit over her head, as physics and some other things are a bit out of reach for her still. But your videos that used zero science and only needed observation are the thing that made the switch flip in her brain. So you at bare minimum helped a LOT in saving her from the flat rabbit hole. We watched several of your other debunk videos and a lot of the more intricate science started to stick with her as well. Then, as I searched around on your channel, I found your tutorial videos. They’re absolutely amazing and are helping her with every aspect of math and science in school. They’re presented in a way that’s perfect for her. So we’ve been going through a bunch of your older videos and hitting all the stuff that’s at her level. And that level is going up very quickly! Plus, it’s given her a way to get legitimately interested in science, which had not been the case before. Your channel has become an invaluable resource for my family. I thank you so much!
@@JimV-oi4ph you should learn to read. Or are you just lying?
who in their right mind would teach their personal beliefs to a child, especially one with learning disablities? what a pathetic human
Wholesome story of the day alert! You sound like you're doing a great job as a father Michael. You guys stay safe ok. All the best from New Zealand. 😊
Excellent to hear. Dave probably is super busy, but this is the type of stuff anyone who loves science and teaches it like to here. It is part of why they do what they do. Flat Earth seems harmless at first glance, but it isn't harmless. Denial of reality leads to destruction. There are countless examples from the past where nonsensical ideas have lead to death and destruction. I am glad your daughter has been steered away from the Flat Earther stuff and hope she continues to learn and grow.
@@jamesnewman8011 Yeah, misunderstanding or being completely wrong about one thing can have a domino effect that leads to further delusion down the line. Absurd claims like flat earth usually have a dogma behind them too which culminates in a tangle of delusion and ignorance.
As a junior college dropout, I found myself going down the UA-cam rabbit hole and started to believe some of this garbage, Dave really brought me back down to earth, I appreciate him so much
Yup watching too much of these videos gets u paranoid and start believing. That’s why most flat earthers are middle aged people who just downloaded tiktok 😂
It's amazing how easily even an intelligent person can be manipulated... this is why we need science because otherwise we can have no common facts to base our decisions on.
yes! So i consider myself pretty smart. I graduated college etc and have always been obsessed with space and mars missions and moon landing etc. But after a month on twitter my feed just filled up with flat earth videos. I knew the flat earth crap wasn't real but some of the things I saw and were brought up had my head scratching. Then i came here and was so relieved to find that it really is all just lies. Thank you Dave.
@@wadevid getting tricked is easy on tiktok since fyp will just keep giving u paranoia videos, it’s best to ignore that crazy side of tiktok
I didn't go to college and I never once believed that the earth was flat.
Dave's tone towards these (DANGEROUS) con men is one of his best qualities.
How did you get Jupiter in your UA-cam handle?
It's only for VIP's@@UnregisteredSkeptic
You know that Tre is working night shifts at UPS trying to figure out how to steal iPhones from the line, deadass trying to yell at a professor about science, classic 2023 moment
I've had ups "lose" some expensive packages so I know there are Tre's everywhere
"Response to Globebusters - The Earth Still Isn't Flat" with nearly 11 million views, is still the gold standard in debunking flat earth. Plus it's funny as hell. It makes me laugh every time I watch it! Professor Dave rules.
The burning sarcasm is brutal. 👍
I've watched it several times as well, it never gets old!
Legit. I watch it every time it comes up in my feed.
Watched that masterpiece over 20 times
I agree, I love to watch that video every time I have a chance. It's a little annoying because it's kind of long, but anytime I have a spare hour, I'll go back and watch that because it's really funny and really fun, too.
I used to be in the "Dave is too mean" camp, but after watching what he's had to put up with and how they treat him over the course of three years, I can hardly blame him.
You can’t be “too mean” to a flat-earther.
@@Mmmmilo exactly lol
@@Mmmmilo you can be, and that's based
I don't think he's mean enough with those cult leaders.
Its not good reasoning because you are basically generalizing all flat earthers as being equally disparaging and giving license to treat them all with disdain, which is basically just another form of discrimination. Not all Christians are fundamentalists and not all flat earthers are as hateful to globers, and even with those that are...your approach is basically encouraging escalation. When two groups keep insulting each other and are okay with it getting worse and worse, eventually it will lead to some nutcase attacking someone.
You guys basically almost arrived to that point. You can't be "too mean" to a flat earther? You're already on the road to dehumanizing your opponents, and its not hard to imagine what a group of people who by all accounts are likely poorly educated are going to do in response. We saw this when Trump encouraged a mob to form to "take back their country" after the "election was rigged". They tend to get violent if you push them over the edge.
So please just think a little harder about your moral values and consider what you are pushing for. Its not "cool" to hate on people because you think its funny or because they belong to a cult. If anything they deserve sympathy and a helping hand, and if they are being antagonistic then just leave them alone.
What Dan said to the flat earther in their debate was completely uncalled for. However smart he is he lacks the basic emotional intelligence to understand that when you treat people like crap, they are far less likely to understand your point and much more likely to respond with aggression. Ugh....all you guys make me so sad. No one understands what should be common sense.
Tre debunked the flat-earth nonsense himself just by saying "not all flat earthers believe the same thing." That's the problem! there is no one single flat earth theory. They're all different. meanwhile, those of us who live in reality, all believe the same thing about the earth
I wouldn't use the word "believe" if it's a fact. I say I know/understand the Earth is a sphere. But I get ya :)
The reason why there isn't one common model for the FE, is because it doesn't exist. Any attempt to make one shatters immediately.
that's not really a reason for something to be true or false though.
I've been a Christian and have read the Bible for over 30 years. I've never thought the Bible taught anything about a flat earth.
Same here! (except way less than 30 years)
Fr the Bible also discusses the moon and the stars 😭😭 I never got why people say the Bible says the earth is flat
You know although I'm atheist basically I have read the bible and you aren't wrong. Even a book that is debatable in veracity doesn't claim it's flat. Yikes....😂. Flat earthers are worse than zealots.
You just believe in talking snakes instead..
@@buff3dn3rf26😆😆😆
I laughed at how the host tried to get Dave to go easy on the callers, then the 1st caller came on and showed exactly why Dave treats them with such contempt.
He was in a mental institution this is the reason for his aggressive behavior. Only insecure person act with passive agressive behavior like he do. Not to mention he is not even real professor, guy is fraud.
@@ivanpavao6532 did you even hear the call? The guy was saying the most moronic things imaginable. He was also denying obvious everyday stuff.
Professor Dave definitely SHOULD tell it how it is to these nincompoops.
You can tell sometimes he feels bad for losing his patience if they aren’t the grifters. But he has ZERO mercy for the con artists
Yeah - that was so gratifying when he said Tre was being the mean one lol
To be fair, lead by example is still a good tactic. You draw more flies with honey than vinegar. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind etc. Then consider how the human ego protects itself and remember a time when your mind was changed by an aggressive person. It creates a defensive barrier. Sometimes people are wise and take wisdom from it and can overcome that barrier. But we are dealing with people who are this deep down the rabbit hole. I'm all for standing up for yourself, but swinging down is rarely productive or helpful for anyone involved.
I love how Dave is like "No I will absolutely be a dick, I'm just tired of this" every time this comes up lmao
"You started this fight, but I will finish it." --Professor Dave
Well his comment section hsows that his approach actually works. There is so many people thanking him for finaly openong their eyes to reality
@@daftwulli6145 At some point the kid gloves have to come off. Dave seems to move forward in that respect pretty damn well.
@@FakingANerve I agree, and it was the flat earters who started being rude to him, while he was polite. But if you keep being rude this is what you get
Ridiculous ideas are, by definition, worthy of ridicule.
I'm Australian and, Tre...buddy, I can promise you
from my own experience, and many, many friends and family that have done it, that we can infact fly from Australia, to South Australia and New Zealand...and many other cities in South America...Heck, I'm flying to NZ next week and it only takes 3 hours 😂😂😂 I promise, I've done it. I genuinely can't get my head around his mind....
americans think australia is a city in Europe... you can't educate these idiots.
Yikes....LOL...well thats that. Be safe in your future flights!
they don’t want to fly over Antartica because they are afraid to fall into the void
nah. its the wormhole from the southpole to the northpole! but gotta watch out for those inner earth people!
I like how he accused that Dave just said "No" to everything and then proceeded to say "No" to everything.
Ya professor dave actually explains why the other guy is wrong
There was a legitimate misunderstanding between the two, dave was implying the sky rotates from our perspective, and tre heard "the earth does not rotate, the sky is moving around us", and dave didn't pick up on this. honestly a terrible debate.
The three main flat earther arguments: 'na uh', cgi and density. I have always assumed they are attracted to density as it describes them.
@@johnthemachine in all honesty, Dave tried to clear that up. Tre immediately used that as ammo and went "OH MY GOD YOUR BRAIN IS DEAD ARE YOU SERIOUS OH MY GOD", it's clear he doesn't want to clear it up on his side either.
@@johnthemachine No misunderstanding. That was Tre avoiding the question by deliberately misinterpreting the statement.
"Not all flat earthers believe in the same thing."
Dude, that's not a selling point, that's a detriment to your conclusions. The fact hat you have different maps between groups of believers and even different maps to explain different points within the same groups is the biggest and reddest of red flags.
Pretty much like the religious person, that thinks the fact, that so many people believe in different religions, is an argument for the genuinity of their particular religion
Sounds exactly like bible believers...
They don't know how retarded they sound. 😂
@@poetryrhymez9620 most flerfs are bible believers, coincidence?
@@ta0soft King James is running their lives from the grave
Guys the flat earthers actually have compelling arguments. I mean I saw Professor Daves convulated answer, but then the flat earther refuted back with "Nuh uh, it fake, grug no understand". I mean we all know the flat earther won this.
wow, i cant believe the intelligence of flat earths and their counter agruments abilities
@@polishcat8260 Their arguments are repeating one thing, shouting that you should disprove it, when you do, they change topics. Quite flat.
That is 100% the mindset when you are at the point of "We can go see this together with our own eyes if you want?" and you get "Nope. It doesn't exist. Not real." The common sense response would be "Absolutely, lets go. You buy the tickets, I'll be there and history will be made." But the outright refusal to even take up that offer...means it's not so much that you think it's not real, but more so you are terrified of the reality of it being real and the implications it would have on your beliefs.
@@melsop54 def true i never thought about this
😂😂😂 how could I have possibly missed that scathing rebuttal to professor Dave
This is the only time in human history that people believe the world to be flat
I can kind of see how some people would get mad at Prof Dave for being so dismissive, but when the people he’s talking to are literally just saying “Nope, that don’t happen,” as “proof” for what they believe, frankly they don’t deserve better.
Yeah except what there saying nope for is literal science that has been proven. In contrast one could easily take what the Dave Farina is saying nope about and look up the answer and it would be there. On the other hand with the other Dave, things he says nope about dont even exist nor make any logical sense, or he says other people have said things for him where as Dave F explains himself.
thats what i was thinking that hes kinda of being very arrogant but then i realized the people hes talking to are also very ignorant and arrogant
it´s kind of devastating to see the transformation of dave over time watch his first video about faltearth that is just the finish of his astronomie series where he is ful of joy to teach ppl science to his point. this ppl don´t deserve better but dave does deserve better
I understand being dismissive and holding flat eathers in contempt, but it's far more entertaining to follow them deep into their reasoning and give them the rope to hang themselves. You can do this simply by asking the right questions. I would have asked the caller which specific flight route he was referring to, and get him to make some very specific claims. People yelling past one another is not that interesting to watch.
Dave isn't being dismissive, being dismissive involves being disingaged from the debate. Dave has shown why the flat earth model is wrong numerous times with detailed explainations through different videos and debates. The real problem is that he is actually giving them TOO MUCH of his time.
Honestly if the "science" and models that flat earthers try espousing consistently get negative results from their OWN expirenments and fail to learn anything from those expirences, then they deserve all the ridicule they get.
Dave: 'brings up an argument that debunks flat earth'
Tre: *NUH-UH IT'S FAKE*
It’s like arguing with a child wait scratch that it’s like arguing with a rock a child even knows better
I've just found a passion I didn't know I had in me, and this passion is seeing Dave destroying guys like the 1st caller lmao
Omg the NASA government jew penguins caught me off-guard I needed that kind of laugh
So basically all Tre can say is “You think the sky moves” and thinks he won the debate just like that. Crazy.
It's basically argument from incredulity. It says I can't comprehend the concept of inertial reference frames. It says I don't know or want to know anything about planetary sciences.
If the sky doesn’t move (as seen from the Earth’s surface), why do the stars rise and set? Tre can’t think critically and can’t think abstractly.
Hearing him get to that point made me really think he was hopeless in his exceedingly tiny dunning kruger circle.
"I have nothing to refute your arguments so I'll just take something you phrased weirdly and act like I won"
It was worse than hearing Weiss shout magnetic declination, or that daylight isn't from the sun.
@@quadrewplex6782 For real, this dude really could not get over it. It was a "checkmate" moment for him.
The sky does move.
We’re hurtling through space in the vortex of the sun. I *think* this means the sky “moves” in relation to the earth.
“Debating” a flat earther is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn’t matter what you do they will just strut around, shit on the board and declare themselves the winner.
Ngl, a pigeon declaring itself winner at chess would already be impressive.
Kinda fits considering how low the bar must be set when it comes to flat earthers.
isn't it other way around?
Flat earthers give arguments, think and respond to your arguments when u just behave arrogantly
@@kremlinbasement7768 Sure....if you mean the nonsensical “arguments” that have been proven invalid a million times then yes, they do like to regurgitate words.
That is the best comment ever..
You are being rude... Pigeons, surprisingly, are very much more intelligent than them.
I love how you respond. I understand being fed up. But you know it's fun to watch for me.
Tre, in typical flat-earther fashion, made zero effort to be intelligent whatsoever.
and reasonable
Side note: after a literal five-second google search, I found the flights he baselessly claimed didn’t exist.
The first caller was a perfect encapsulation of why it feels like arguing with a brick wall with flat earth believers.
"Nope, you accidentally said the sky moves... therefore your now entirely debunked."
...that's a tactic my ex wife used to pull.
He can make his own time lapse night sky video :)
also we are not moving through space there's no spinning atmosphere either
@@speedtraindjspeedtrain6325 And Donald Trump is a wanker
@@speedtraindjspeedtrain6325 the atmosphere spins WITH earth, dummy.
I have literally flown from Santiago Chile to New Zealand. I don't know how these people exist ...
magnetic declination
@Facke Yu ??????
@@rickkwitkoski1976 you would have to watch Dave's interview on Sean attwood where he burys flat earth dave Weiss
@@user-xo2iw6lz2n 😂🤣
That is not possible! You have to fly over the north pole if you fly in a straight line because the earth is flat! Or maybe this is the misleading part. So please pay attention cause this is the tricky part you have to fly close to Antartic over a circular flight path.
(For the stupid ones among us, the above is called irony)
That dude really said there are no flights across the South Atlantic ocean. Wow.
"Spectroscopy need a container"
Bro, what is it with Flat Earthers and their "containers"?
One of that famous flat earthers tried to sound intelligent, and said "spectroscopy need s a container" 😂
Pseudoscience is a growing problem on the Internet. And you, Dave, have contributed majorly to fight against it. You deserve all the respect for providing free education for so many people.
UA-cam changed the algorithm to get mire retention, that would then recommend the same type of videos
Since conspiracy videos would be 2 hours long they had great retention.
This made a spiral sending people down rabbit holes.
@@ANTIStraussianI am one. Still looking. Searching. ⚛️🕊️
@@BlueBonnie764 Looking, fur what. A Rabbit?
JUST IN TIME FUR 'BBITSTMAS!!!!!!!
@@ANTIStraussian That is not recent, it's called information bubble. You get results only in the topics you searched for, reflecting only one side of the story. If you search only for proof that flat earth is real, you will not see all the videos that disprove it. The thing is, will you accept any information as true without checking actual facts.
@@JimV-oi4ph have you already run away?
I was inclined to agree with Tre with his first statement of: "Hey, not all of us believe the same things"
But then he went and literally said:
"I don't believe in conspiracies" AND then proceeded to flat out say that certain flights might be booked, but you'll never buy them or they'll never take off... WHICH IMPLIES THAT THEY'RE PUT THERE WITH THE INTENTION OF DECEIVING PEOPLE, which would be a conspiracy
He instantly started to make excuses lol
Hahaha!
Except that they ARE booked, and you can look up the passenger list for each flight!
@@dragonhealer7588 Not sure about the passenger list claim, but he did have an answer to that which was "Well, the planes never actually take of"
Which, again, is conspiratorial thinking because it relies on claiming that the airline knowingly participates in what he seemingly considers a deception
Out of curiosity: what did you interpret the point of my initial comment to be?
@@Fernando-ek8jp
Exactly as you stated, the obvious implication of conspiracy. And yet his excuses are so easy to fact check!
@@dragonhealer7588 Yeah, there's that. That's par for the course though, what got me the most was: "Hey, I don't buy into the conspiracy stuff, but let me tell you about this conspiracy I buy into"
As chilean, flat earth is so "north-hemisphere centric" that it buffles me.
The real conspiracy
The knowledge of all humanity is on our finger tips and yet we still have these kinds of people.
That 1st caller is just embarrassing for the human race
Honestly I couldn't have worded it better myself...
Being human just isnt the same anymore after listening to him....
seriously considering stopping the vid. I'm emberaased for him rn
@@MichaelKlements
Cool!... Just proves flat earth!
@@kingveteran9100 huh?
@@kingveteran9100no it doesn’t. Do research.
Dave is right, flat earthers just stick their fingers in their ears and say "No no no!" to everything Dave says, then walk away thinking they have successfully refuted the globe earth.
People who actually believe the earth is flat do not exist, there are however, a lot of people who are willing to argue that the earth is flat on youtube for the sake of making advertising revenue, this is why they appear to "stick their fingers in their ears and say "No no no!" to everything Dave says" because if they admit they are wrong, other gullible idiots will stop watching their content.
Welcome to the religious extremist cultist mindset that is flat earth. They must assume a state of absolute denial otherwise they won't feel special anymore.
the caller was awful. Circumpolar navigation was done in the 70s by Ralph Finnes and their answer to that?
"Nuh uh!"
Michael Palin traveled from Pole to Pole and filmed it in 1992. At this point they're just willfully ignorant.
I don't have a problem with it...just don't, "walk away," too far because well you know...the edge
50:09 “LISTEN DAYVE!” Was the best thing about this whole video! 😂😂😂😂
David Weiss got completely eviscerated. I've never seen such well-deserved humiliation.
Dave Weiss is a complete joker. The only people who can't see that are the thicker flat earthers!
51:25 "so the sky is moving, AND the earth is moving? Both of them are moving? You just killed yourself."
My favorite line ever
The fact he couldn't wrap his mind around what Dave was saying, is astounding. He never wanted to debate any points, like a typical flat earther
That caller can't seem to grasp that when Dave talks about the sky moving, he means from the vantage point of someone standing on a rotating earth. I find it weird that the caller couldn't figure that out and instead just kept getting angrier and more reactionary.
Exactly. The caller was completely hung up on semantics. Anyone with a shred of intelligence and comprehension understands that Dave meant that the sky appears to move from the observers point of view and the way it rotates is consistent with what you would expect to see from the surface of a spherical Earth. If the Earth was flat and just spinning, the sky would appear to rotate in a completely different manner.
What do you expect from flat earth brainlets? Logic is foreign to them
True and actually the sky is moving as well technically speaking. I mean the stars we see that are un our galaxy are moving as they are orbiting the galactic center. The Andromeda galaxy is moving towards us. There are binary stars that are orbiting their Barrycenter. So yeah the sky, and everything you see in ut, is in fact moving.
Thus is why when I am laying on the couch watching football and someone calls me a lazy bum for not moving I have to correct them because: The Earth is rotating on its axis; the Earth is also orbiting the sun which itself is rotating on its axis and is also orbiting the galactic center and pulling the earth along with it and the galaxy as a whole is dragging everything towards the Andromeda galaxy so I am technically moving in no less than 4 different ways.
"You believe the sky is moving!"
Okay, what's the issue here? Why is that a problem?
@daemonthorn5888 The earth is not flat and spinning. It's a non-rotating stationary plane. The Antarctica circle is the ice barrier holding in our oceans. The sun moon and stars revolve around the north star as a perfect clock and time piece, never changing. Man has been using the same stars to navigate since the beginning of time.
Flath Earthers demand exponentially more evidence to disprove their theory than they do to believe it. It's hilarious.
If you think flat earth is bottom of the barrel then expanding earth would like a chat outside
Step aside! Hollow Earth, is here!
48:00 I just can’t lol. I paused and googled the flights and there are so many tickets available. And the sky rotate part lmao.
Yep, I did the same and googled it to see so many results for those flights…. Then I realised I’d actually been on one of those flights!!
But the flight will never take off if you book it. Duh.
@@Power5 🤣🤣🤣
@@Power5 😂😂😂
I love how Tre gets so defensive over his claims, and it's also so juvenile how his entire response is just "prove it"
This is how a Fool will not accept his stupidity,his ego is so full of itself he cannot accept facts that shows his ignorance, and will just insult those who know more than him.
And when he literally has the chance to take a flight to prove his theory once and for all, he's just too lazy to do it. That's the difference between flat earthers and smart people, scientists do experiments, they do things. Flat earthers just make stupid claims, give no evidence, do no experiments to prove their claims, and say nothing else.
@@ljames430_ you're right on the money.
Just throw him into space for 30 days , let him float around earth without any food water & I'm sure he'll figure out the earth isn't flat . lol
a better response would be proving him wrong lol, but since he can't, he pulls the "prove it" card
One of the biggest things I don't hear talked about is the math military snipers use to make long distance shots. If you are trying a mile shot you need to account for the curvature of the earth as well as the drop off.
The fact that Professor Dave has a Paranoid Android framed poster in the background makes him all the more awesome.
I love how Dave was like, "All these people have is, 'No you can't'" And the VERY FIRST CALL was exactly that. And then if you ever did book the flight, take video of the boarding, takeoff, flight and landing with complete iternary, Tre would just dismiss it as you being paid off to deceive people. As Dave said, these people are not interested in discovering the truth, they just want their delusions to be true no matter what.
Also, I love the people who are like, "I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but..."
People have in fact taken video of them traveling between continents in the southern continent - from the gate to gate - and flat earthers said they were fake
@@scarlett8960
They're so damned frustrating...
As FTFE says, stupidity is not a right!!!
I really liked Brenda, I need to find her channel!
Cheers!
From Canada
@@scarlett8960 This is the gold standard for flattards - simply deny all and every instance of evidence demonstrating that the Earth is a globe, that space exists, that videos from space are anything other than CGI. Contrast this with their 100% reliance on the say-so of their FE priests that the Earth is flat, with not a shred of evidence for their baseless assertions. It really isn't about the shape of the Earth, as Dave says - it all stems from a belief that there are conspiracies afoot, propagated by "the government", NASA, scientists, teachers, Jews, "the illuminati", etc, and the FE priests skilfully massage this state of mind to produce an unshakeable belief that one of these conspiracies concerns the shape of the Earth. Sadly, it seems that the weak and stupid are the most numerous of the sheep being shorn by these charlatans.
I think it's not much as they want their delusions to be true, but rather than their ego is so big that the fact they themselves believe those delusions is all the proof one needs to mark said delusions as truth.
"What I say is true because I say so, because I am me, I am a Big Deal. If one day I wake up and decide that 2+2 = 7, then it is true and noone has ever proven that 2+2=4 and whoever says that 2+2=4 is a shill". Something along those lines.
@@scarlett8960 That is how religious extremism works. There is absolutely nothing you can tell them, show them, etc. that will convince them otherwise. The flat earth is an example.of religious extremism and absolute and total denial operating within the framework of religious extremism.
"Nothing but mockery and contempt for these conmen"- Professor Dave. Beautiful quote 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
When you have education like never before, and access to all human knowledge on the internet. And on top of that, there are minimum 100 videos showing every single thing science ever discovered, explaining in details so even children can understand it. At that point, mockery and contempt is all there is left.
@@TrickOrRetreat Yep, and those con men (as Dave had said) know that what they're saying is 100% bs, but this is how disgusting and pathetic they are, that they make a living off of innocent and gullible people. It makes me sad but also furious.
Give this man a medal for debunking this foolery about a flat earth. 3rd grade science debunks this bs.
I used to have a friend that was completely stubborn and not very bright. It wouldn’t matter how you worded an argument, he simply could not comprehend what you were saying and he would take what he thought he heard and try to make you look stupid by saying you meant something completely irrelevant to what you actually meant. He would get loud and be like “wow, ok” “if you say so.” That caller reminded me of him, just absolutely clueless, and they are gold medalists in mental gymnastics.
I'm glad you say you "used to have a friend" because it's life-draining to deal with these gaslighting, broken sociopaths and no one is obligated to allow such people to remain in their life.
Anytime I need a laugh, I watch you crush flat-earth. It brings me so much joy.
I'm so tired of that nonsense... thank you for taking the time to even address their ridiculousness.
Same
46:09 As the call progresses I can see Derek gradually understanding more and more why Dave is 100% done with these debates. Your mental fortitude is commendable, prof.
Like flat earthers saying you cant go to north pole , Finnair routes to SF and NYC go over north pole , they dont leave airport flying west , they fly up north , when it's shorter.
Anyone that has some extra money can buy a ticket from NYC to HEL and fly over north pole .
Helsinki airport has cool code HEL and people did (before pandemic) take flight AY 666 to HEL , from Copenhagen to Helsinki , just to get that ticket .
@@pete_lind So you can tell a Flat earther "The earth with be round when HEL freezes over", and they will agree without thinking.😛 /j
unless someone can come up with a competing theory and model that isn't instantly debunked and laughed at then there's nothing to debate
@@pete_lind they say you can't go to the South Pole not North Pole
@@prplt Depends , some flat earthers claim also that you cant go to north pole . It comes from those warnings that if you are not in top shape and equipped , you are not going to survive more than few days . Flat earthers forget that there is no grocery stores or hotels or emergency services near north pole and people need to carry everything they need with them .
I can’t believe people are saying Prof. Dave is being “too mean”. I am literally yelling at the screen watching these lobotomites try and explain flat earth. How can you blame him for being frustrated????
"Penguins can be Jewish."
-Dave Farina, 2022
“Listen, Dave!” - I ran out of popcorn watching this show. Thanks Dave for everything you do
Thank you for giving your time to something like debunking flat earth 🌎. I learned a ton from this talk.
Good to see you Derek, always love your enthusiasm for learning stuff
Keep up the good work Derek. Flerfs are funny. Cheers
Quick note. The Bible is the biggest conspiracy theory these people believe.
@@daveg4963 no, they don't believe the bible they just use it because it fits their narrative.
@@randal_gibbons they wouldn't use it if they didn't believe it. Point is that religious and flat earth people are gullible.
Where are their pictures of a flat Earth? Where is the edge of the Earth?
it's in Antarctica behind the ice wall guarded by NASA 😂
I am a retired teacher who has taught Science. What I would like to know is where is my million dollars for teaching about
the spherical earth.
Yeah about that.... the illuminati canceled sending us our checks, me and all my devil worshipping, western medicine enjoying coworkers are going to strike and create a jewish anarchist commune!
Tre must have looked up that flight as they were talking since he felt the need to say "if you book it, it will never take off"
Qantas QF64 flies direct from Johannesburg to Sydney, maybe Tre should book that flight
There's one thing that will always be certain: science doesn't care how you feel.
@derp8575 The opposite of a male. She has a vagina, brest, and can bear a child. Most people who live on the planet earth know what a woman is and you're not a homosexual you may actually breed with one. I hope this explanation made things easier for you.😉
@@derp8575 adult human female
Yet feelings and emotions are, in themselves, science. Science working against science!
@@brandonanderson2066 tf are you talking about
Took me 30 seconds to find a direct flight from Sydney to Santiago with Quantas.
You made the same mistake I used to make. There’s no “u” in Qantas Airlines.
QANTAS. They started as Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Service in the Queensland country town of Longreach.
I know Dave was sick of flat earth after the first vid but damn I love watching him dunk on it 😆
Me too.
Same
I totally agree with Dave’s tone and approach to flat earthers and young earth creationists. We need people to approach the “leaders” of the movements with as much distain as possible.
Now, the “normal” followers I think a gentler approach might be more warranted, but that’s a different topic
I go one step further. I think the "normal" followers need to be mocked just as hard as the flat earth morons. This whole respect-for-religion bullshit, is bullshit.
Indeed. Disdain is all these pathetic movements deserve at this point.
What’s deserved and what’s effective may not be the same. Nick Taleb, in his book “Anti-Fragile”, makes a good point that people tend to dig in more when their beliefs are attacked. A calm, fact-based discussion is more effective. Ridicule is unnecessary and only appeals to social pressure to change people’s minds, versus relying on facts.
@@derinderruheliegt I agree. I think Dave is saying that he tried the first approach and has since decided it's no longer worth his time, effort or brain power to be calm and gentle. He doesn't owe dishonest and delusional people the courtesy of respectful discourse. The torch is passed onto whomever else is willing to tackle these troglodytes.
@@SaurianSoul I re-watched the video and it seems like Dave’s issue is chiefly with charlatans...so I can get on board with going after them. It’s still a delicate balance, because many in the audience are those _duped_ by the charlatans... and seeing their “leader” attacked can give the illusion that they are “fighting the good fight.” The individual con-man might deserve the ridicule, but you’ll never reach them anyway; it’s worthwhile to consider how it’ll come across to the wider audience.
To your point about respectful discourse...I don’t mind dialing back the respect-o-meter for the dishonest ones. However if someone is delusional, they could be so in an innocent way. So I’d either _not_ engage or try to maintain a mutually respectful conversation.
Re: time lapse photography. Dave, don't the star trails in long-exposure photos of the sky result primarily from the rotation of the earth?
yes
It’s a pity that during that first call, no one just googled the flight and shared it on the screen. Might’ve shut him up.
That's what I thought. I saw that done on some show (maybe McToon?) The guest claimed there was no direct flight from Australia to South America so the host brought it up live from an airline's website. Then the guest was forced to say "yeah but I bet if you try to book it, you won't be able to. Or it will suddenly get cancelled." There's no winning with someone living in their own fantasy world with its own rules.
As a South American living in Australia, I've flown on both routes GRU-JNB (currently suspended: pandemic) over the atlantic, JNB-SYD over the Southern Indian ocean and EZE-SYD (now discontinued in favour of the Santiago route) over the South Atlantic/Pacific. On the latter, I could see the white of Antarctica from the plane's window, as the route on the day I took the flight went far South. When the moron said that those flights have never been booked and never took off... Seriously, these people have a mental disorder, although not yet well understood. The scientific community needs to take this social phenomenon more seriously, and start developing clinical treatments. Otherwise tackling this will become harder and harder, as it appears these individuals tend to be extremists and wholly devoted to their ideologies.
WHO PAID YOU to say that? 🙃 (joking)
Just hold off on the socio-psychological analysis of flat earthers for a bit here, address the key question, where is the curvature? If you cannot show or measure it, then the ball cannot be true. Matters not if 7 billion people think, or what some expert says. Stick to the simple point, where is the curve?
@@lammabing6401 using that same logic where is the wall? You cannot see it you cannot measure it oddly no one has ever seen it so where is it??
@@lammabing6401 , a couple of corrections in your query, it's not called by curvature, it's surface eccentricity. It can and has been measured and shown in great detail, and agreed by Geographers all over the world for many, many years. You are correct, when you say it does not matter what 7b people think, but wrong when you say the same about specialists. Regarding where, it's wherever your feet are, whether you want it or not. Have a good one.
@@lammabing6401 Hey serious question, do you actually go to Davy Jones’s locker when you fall off the edge of the earth?
I have to admit I was one of those who pushed back on your tone. I see your point now and I apologize.
@Gully Foyle Yeah, one flat earther is tedious. A whole movement becomes the source of anger. And The Stars Our Destintation...
@@brinkerduo it’s like debating a presuppositionalist. They spend the whole time trying to shift the burden of proof and even when you do offer any, they scream and claim your cognitive ability is damaged since it doesn’t conform to their model.
@@deviouskris3012 agreed. You can get light-headed from the amount of gaslighting you are breathing. You just end up angry at yourself for engaging with any good faith...
@@deviouskris3012 It's not _like_ debating a presuppositionalist. It _is_ that, exactly. They presuppose Earth is flat. Anything that contradicts that presupposition is a lie by default. There is literally no evidence you could show them to change their minds. They prove themselves wrong on a regular basis but _still_ won't accept it because it doesn't fit their presupposed "truth."
@@markwood1159 I stand corrected. :p
"So the sky is moving AND the earth is moving??"
I think what people tend to ignore about these conspiracy theorists, is that this cult that they are in serves some unmet emotional need for them. They have this overwhelming desire to feel special, or contrarian, or to feel validation that they are willing to sacrifice nearly anything to satiate that void. There is no amount of evidence that they would accept that proves they are wrong, and the goal posts MUST shift necessarily to maintain their state. It's self indulgent, and narcissistic, but most of all it's incredibly sad.
Underrated comment.
I wonder how many extremist conspiracy theorists have positive relationships with persons other than their mothers? Or with their on-line conspiracy group buddies?
It's an obsession, like all others, which serves to distract the person from feelings of sadness and emptiness. All obsessions serve to mask negative feelings.
Strip them away & the person previously encumbered with obsessive feelings about whatever, will suddenly feel the full weight of their real feelings and worries. Their self image will crumble if they lose the support of the others in their nutty conspiracy groups.
They will lose their identity which is why they fight so hard to maintain their membership in the group. Being mavericks, free-thinkers or one of 'the few' to see the truth makes them special and brings the members closer together.
Perhaps if we look at what has changed in human society that might go a long way to explain why we've entered this post-truth era and what human needs are no longer being met by society.
To me, they're the epitome of Lazy. They want to feel special, but don't want to learn anything to earn that distinction. They also want to be a part of something revolutionary, because everyone has already done most of it, they just can't accept that they're simply just people. I look at the world and stare in awe everyday. Why they can't see the beauty in this world will always baffle (and sadden) me.
Very well said. To reinforce what you’re saying, they like to feel like individuals, like they’re going against the grain of the crowd and who have their own set of unique beliefs, and that they can’t trust anyone but themselves, which may be ironic due to the fact they basically operate as a cult, which is an extreme of collectivism.
@@Shadbraw yup nope...what?
My preferred example to flat-Earthers is a simple one;
Thousands of times every single day, we successfully predict travel times and fuel consumption of air and ocean travel - using the ball Earth model.
That's it. Game over. Flat Earth is done.
Ball Earth is demonstrated thousands of times a day....every single day.....year round.....every year.
Probably a lot of them have used GPS at least once. They're using a system that relies on localization info provided by satellites. Let that sink in.
But then they'll say pilots navigate using a flat earth and use some random dude claiming to be a pilot as evidence 😄
Unfortunately this is an easy thing for them to hand wave away. They say that the system was designed for a flat earth or whatever, and you're just told it was for a ball earth. There's nothing that works because they eventually go to their classic line "well I'm not an expert but there's something weird going on"
No we don't, that would be too inaccurate. We use the oblate spheroid model :P
@@balam314 kek
Total necro comment, but it reminds me of something that happened to me. Around 2018 I had to take an Uber to the DMV because I needed to renew my state ID so I can vote. The driver missed the spot I was standing at and I met him in another spot. He was blaming the GPS and then said, “you know it doesn’t exist right?” Then he saw my NASA shirt that I was wearing and it was on. I used to fix recon planes for the military and wasn’t buying his crap. I’ve seen photos from 75000ft in the air and KNEW he was wrong. Worst Uber ride ever. I left him a tip to show I was a good sport.
So looking forward to the Tour debate!
Wow, Tre was truly pathetic. A quick Google search has found direct flights from Auckland to Santiago, and pole to pole. I have flown myself direct from Sydney to Johannesburg during the day, flying over water and I could actually see ice floes as we skirted Antarctica
Flat Tray is correct. There does not appear to be any DIRECT flights from Johannesburg to santiago.
All these go via somewhere else as a two leg journey.
Turkish Airlines, KLM, Emirates, and Air France.
I suggest thee would not be enough people to justify a direct flight.
It is a shame that Tray felt the desire shout like a lunatic- probably a loving x'tian.
you must be a NASA paid actor then😂
@@VaughanMcCue Trey is a lunatic; that's precisely why he shouted like one. He is an adult who believes the Earth is flat, after all.
Oh, and by the way, there are DIRECT flights from Johannesburg's Tambo International Airport to São Paulo, Brazil.
@@godless-clump-of-cells
The poor fellow was moonstruck by the cold light emanating from the moon.
@@VaughanMcCue Santiago to Perth, direct flight, over 25 hour flight that goes directly over Antarctica, nonstop. I could book one today.
The flat earth community has really gained ground. David Weiss said that he was very proud to know that there are people from the flat earth community on every continent around the globe 🌎.
Lol
7 isn't very many people....lol
@@pgrose422 lmao
That’s getting old.
@@pgrose422 unfortunately it's far more than what we believe. I see it everyday. Go on any astronomy page or post or forum anywhere on the internet and you'll see them in droves.
There are currently direct flights between Sydney Australia and Johannesburg South Africa via Qantas airlines once a day. Starting in September there are three direct flights a week scheduled between Johannesburg and Sao Paulo Brazil with LATAM airlines.
Flat earther like Tre: “NUH UHHHHH!” 😂
"THeY neVEr TaKE ofF"
This is only the second video of David Farina and it’s just hilarious, I could watch him debate flat earthers all day. The documentary they where talking about at the beginning was behind the curve, it’s very funny a must watch lol
Dave, you were sharp, true, but not unnecessarily so. Keep doing what you're doing.
We obviously aren't moving at hypersonic speed.
Heliocentrism isn't really about earth shape.
It's a religion, membership to which requires a pledge that your senses and discernment are entirely inadequate, and that you should outsource your mind to whoever around you controls the narrative.
Essentially, you willfully demote yourself to the status of non thinking animal, because it excuses you for your degraded/childish selfish behaviour that you feel ok indulging in, because you're allegedly a random accident that came from scum whose life and decisions aren't important, regardless of the destructive impact they have on you and others over time.
The suffering this causes is literally fed off of by entities you can't see.
Good luck
Are you high??
The caller Tre just didn't understand that the rotation Dave was talking about takes more than a few seconds.
i have very little respect for any one who thinks the earth is flat.
Tre: “The flight from Santiago to Sydney doesn’t exist. If you try to take the flight it doesn’t take off.”
Dave: “So book it and test it out for yourself. Prove it.”
Tre: “NO1!1!1!1!”
After doing an intense deep dive of 1 Google search I found the mysterious Sydney to Santiago flight, unfortunately I'm a broke college student from south dakota so I can't personally take this flight but feel free to do it yourself
In New Zealand, we have boats that take people to Antarctica. And I've had flat earthers just straight tell me i'm lying, without even looking it up
Damn that has to be infuriating.
They have 2 weapons in their arsenal. Word salad and denial. That is it.
Gotta lie to flerf.. that the number one rule
Here's every flat earther tactic: yelling "density" "plasma" "nah uh" "no it doesn't" "water doesn't curve" at the top of their lungs, and sadly the only smart tactic they use is to simply change the subject, hoping no one notices
I have a friend who I've tried to help but the tragedy is this. He is no longer able to follow basic logic because of the repetitive refutations that he's been addicted to for so long. It's hard to even explain how he thinks because the brainwashing is so successful it's just sad.
I haven't visited him in over a year because he's completely immersed in discussing ridiculous ideas. It's depressing because he's a really nice guy and used to value our friendship but he knows that I've been learning about science my whole life and he just wants to argue. He has been doomed into ignorance for the rest of his life.
Derek, you mentioned "beliefs" and I came from a similar background.
Something profound occurred to me that my own definition of "beliefs" was the problem with my upbringing.
I was convinced that I was supposed to believe certain things and act like I believed them, but when I assessed my actual beliefs I found out that I really didn't believe those things.
The magician had performed the trick before it began.
It sounds a little bit complicated but that's how i became liberated from the confusion and perpetual guilt trip of religion. I wonder if your experience is similar.
The flat earth movement is a global phenomenon
People need to be taught critical thinking in school. They don't even bother teaching it in public school. When I first learned about logical fallacies in my early 30s, I thought it was the single greatest.. anything I've ever learned. But being 35 now, I realize how basic logical fallacies are. They should be the foundation of every lesson in basic schooling. But I never learned about any of it from my public school career, nor my 2 years in college. It really makes me worry for humanity socially when there are that many gullible people who don't know how to actually use their thought process to arrive at actual Truth.
Instead, much like I was, most people are content to fill in the gaps of their knowledge with things they prefer to believe. Because of this, they get swindled, duped into scams, and believe just about any argument presented by a person who looks good and talks with confidence.
Humanity today is a sea of people ripe for exploitation.. That honestly breaks my heart..
I come from the back water state of Kansas/ joke and we were taught about logical fallacies in high school. Or Maybe I just had a good English and speech/debate teachers and that there is a major problem too about certain groups of individuals that want dumber people. Using property tax to fund schools etc
@@Michael-sb8jf That's good you got taught that. I Certainly didn't. But I did have a science teacher who went out of his way to teach us 10th graders about Roman Numerals when he found out that no ones English class was doing it. I'm glad he did because even at 35, I'm usually the only person in a room who knows how to read them. I guess every once in a while, you get a genuinely great teacher who goes an extra mile for you.
@@Michael-sb8jf Well then you got lucky with your teacher, but it is def not part of the normal curriculum
@@pepperVenge That's bizarre! Is that common for the US? Like, what about all the clocks that are in Roman numerals? I'm in Scotland and we were taught them in school because they come up quite frequently and so it's a sensible thing to teach children. We learned them in primary school, I think in primary 3 (so, 6-8 year olds).
@@lovecatxx Yeah, public education in the U.S. isn't very good. Curriculum has gotten so poor they practically just hand out high school diplomas.
If the earth is flat then how come no one has ever took a picture of the edge?
They think that Antarctica is the edge and it's guarded by battleships and whatnot.
Same reason there is no evidence whatsoever for any of their claims. EVERY flat-earth claim is demonstrably false.
I am so glad you took the time to thoroughly debunk their foolishness.
I appreciate what you've done for science, and standing up against flerfers..
If the earth was flat, would have been able to see another country when I’m on a cruise ship in the middle of the ocean? I couldn’t see anything so obviously the earth is spherical.
Yeah even if you take the biggest telescope on a cruise, you won't be able to see anything over the horizon.
It's hard to argue with someone that is intelligent, it's impossible to argue with someone that is stupid. Tre is a perfect example of this 🤯
These are great. I get the catharsis of UA-cam drama and still walk away having learned something nifty lol
Do you aso know that windmills are built to create wind. I thought I'd die laughing when I saw that. 🤣🤣🤣
I was one of the guys who said "Hey Dave, you are kinda being a jerk", after watching several more of your videos, I do see why you're doing it. So I guess I should apologize! :)
I love you for this smh
I personally would love a gay romance novel about a guy named Dave who believes in the globe earth and a guy named Tre who believes in a flat earth where they go on a circumpolar navigation trip together and slowly discover not only the globe-but also each other 💞
Wow, 3 months later, I don't remember leaving this comment, but I'm still down for this, ngl
write it
Lol!
I'm in south Africa. I can confirm that flights happen from Johannesburg to Sydney.
Tre sums up the attitude within his own culture... ignorant and aggressive.
Not surprised.
My grandma was a flatearther, but she isnt anymore because i had her watch professor dave's videos and she actualy learned a thing
(but shes now following cosmic mysticism :( science is hard i guess)
@@jakelund3159 hey atleast shes blissfully ignorant and not willfully ignorant unlike most flat earthers
Misinformation is definitely the largest issue across the globe.
We need more channels like this that question & show truth in all those crazy conspiracies.
Love to watch both of you
Liberals, Democrats, and the MSM are what is crippling this country with their lies and misinformation. Just look at the ridiculous Jan6 hearings. Absolute farse and this along with their fake Russia stuff will backfire just like that did.
Fake account
@@RelaxingSoundsYouNeed ?
Dave is the most patient person I know. :) It's insane.
Come on tre.. you cannot be that ignorant. I know two scientists that flew to Antarctica on a flight and I know several more of that go to Antarctica and work there.there are programs that shows ships bringing supplies there for the civilians that are working there and living there. And if you fly in a straight line you are straight around the world and end up back where you are if you sail around the world in the straight line you end up right back where you start. That is round
Dave treats them exactly how they have to be treated
I really appreciate Professor Dave’s flat earth debunking. He does the most thorough, complete, and convincing evidence.
Wait… I think this is on Professor Dave’s channel.
I used to think flat earthers were just sour on conventional science, as am I, but as the movement evolved I see more and more that it’s just religious zealotry.
The flat-earthers’ horizon line experiments aren’t using the actual curvature equation, which I learned from Professor Dave.
Thank you.
A friend of mine over a decade ago set up models in his garage and worked out that yeah, earth is round, eclipses work, and posted and shared.
His name is Dave too.
That is awesome about how your friend did all the experiments to prove the globe earth for themselves… But I have to ask, what do you mean by “sour with conventional science”? Because if you use science right, there is only one type of science… And it works! I’m just wondering what that means?
Dave we’d love to see you do more debates in the future, hopefully you’re not too fed-up and bored with the science deniers by this point