Platform Cancels: A Closer Look
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
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Small correction (thanks to tauKhan):
“Character to character ‘collisions’ don't use ECBs at all, they’re done purely by positional distance.
For instance, bowser ‘push width’ = 8.0Mm, yoshi ‘push width’ = 3.3Mm. Which means bowser & yoshi will push each other when within 11.3Mm.”
This is the kind of stuff that I know through game experience, but don’t fully understand. Appreciate the breakdown, really cool to see how melee makes all of this happen
Glad you enjoyed! :D
When I saw the Falcon up air in randall I immediately thought of you Squid, grinding this!
@@albertosierraalta3223 perhaps a stomp knee featuring this tech… hmmmm
@@stompknee We need to see this is the next compilation pleeease
Ahh it all makes so much sense
wtf hi kosmic, cool seeing you here!
Really cool to see you in here man! :)
I never knew what tech Mango used in that clip. Melee is too endless.
The gift that keeps on giving!
Mango is fucking cracked, what!!!
He didn't mean to and he'll never admit it.
I always like when read tounument games are used as examples.
I'd honestly love to see more melee stuff presented like this, easy to understand and entertaining 11/10 would watch again
I had no idea about the 9 frame update timer but it explains a lot. A while back I was making a game with dropthrough platforms that had that exact issue with the player snapping back onto the platform because the collision box on the player changed and it took me forever to fix it. This is the exact kind of simple hacky quick fix that I was looking for lol
there's an ascending platform warp fox can do on bf easily by
sh>wait > dj nair enemy on side plat
for a particular timing of the dj and nair your ecb will warp to the ground, and you go from having positive y velocity from the dj to grounded.
These kind of videos are great! I had seen this sort of thing before was was never sure what was actually going on.
This is a content levelup. Such a cool video even for folks who don't play much Melee.
So cool! I got the teeter walk off platform cancel with marth bair the other day and had no idea how to replicate it.
Love this sort of SSBM-T esque content! Great presentation and cool edge case display (Randall and FoD platforms)
love the new intro!!! amazing video!!
I did this accidentally like 7 times and couldn't figure out how to do it again. Thanks for the in-depth video!
Excellent, very informative video. I've only done this a few times as Marth and knew what it was, but could never recreate it (maybe with this video's help but I probably still suck too much). Always love this kind of in-depth melee content, your channel is a true gem.
Your videos getting better and better. Keep it up, this is one of my favorite channels
Glad to hear it! :D
Just wanna put it out there that the slideoff platcancel is also referred to as a pseudo-platform cancel at least enough for me to know that term, so yea. Good video.
Also pseudo-plat cancel works since you fall off the plat with 0 speed, whereas platdrop starts with a set speed down to start off with, to explain why it's such a wider window
Yeah I guess I figured the term pseudo-platform cancel only referred to walking off the side of a plat with that small control stick range, so I wanted a new term that encapsulated the more general “falling off the side of a plat instead of falling through one”
Can confirm, that Luigi thing happens to me all the time
Great explanation! I vouch to call them drop cancels consistently though. You cancel your drop, not the platform.
Also platform cancel is confused with other things like platform warp and NILs.
your vids just keep getting better :)
Thanks! Ive seen these in your videos but didn't understand the teeter ones
Thanks! this has been bothering me for a while.
Incredible breakdown video
really nice video! good collection of information and simple presentation.
THANK YOU
Great new series
I needed to know what mango did there, thank you
Great breakdown :)
These also exist in PM, and in that game if you do one out of being hit on your shield there seems to be a wider window and thus more moves that cab work. Does that also happen in melee, and do you know why if so?
Also in PM we call these drop cancels because there are several other things that people call platform cancels
Maybe getting hit on shield causes your ECB to stretch upwards? That or maybe PM has a lot more shield pushback, causing a lot more accidental slide-off drop cancels. Or maybe the shield DI is a lot more lenient, which could cause people to accidentally shift themselves and their shield closer to the ledge while inputting shield drops.
P+ fixed the hit out of sheild.
That happened coz brawl has mechanic where if you are in knockback, certain momentum commands no longer act to try to prevent momentum cancels. This meant the extra downwards momentum that a platdrop gives didn't happen out of shield pushback, making it approx equal to the walk off plat varient.
another way to fall of the plat is that while you are in the middle of your teter animation you can do a dashback and you will fall with no aerial drift allowing you to do the platform warp
this means you can do it off of a wavedash to the edge a plat to go into a teeter then pressing back allowing you to instant drop
Unless I'm not understanding you, I don't believe this is true (just tested it with a few characters). If an opponent is next to you while you turn around, though, then yes you will fall off, as described at 4:35
Great informative video!
Thanks!
This is an awesome video
Thank you for making this video
No prob, my man
This is...... Encroaching on too much info 😂. We're going to find the secrets of the universe hidden somewhere in the code, I just know it.
The list: 2:28
w music choice
amazing!!
So cool!
That ratio :o
Melee is so siq
Does sheiks down air count
what can fox do?
everything
But why does some moves have a 2 frame window instead of 1 frame
Some characters’ ECBs extend higher than others, allowing for more leniency.
Do you have to l cancel these?
You can. It’s still a regular old aerial, at the end of the day.
Falco auto cancel bair is so easy
First
dont