Stumbled across your channel after recently starting matched betting and have to say your content is brilliant! Very helpful and down to earth, keeping it realistic! I've only just started out myself but my aim is to build up a nice bank roll to which I can then invest into sports trading. I've got quite a long road ahead of me yet and a hell of lot to learn but your videos are definitely helping me along my journey! Thanks!!
Interesting as it's happened to me and I am a recreational bettor I don't arb or understand this value betting so it was a shock when I started to get gubbed at sports books though I did sweep up free bets and use them in a systimatic way.
That is simply discrimination of winning players. It should be stopped by legislation. You can't block winning customers based on their performance. It should be addressed with governing body.
how these bookmakers got the license? its clear they are doing an illegal activity. Making billions from the naive gamblers, but they won't allow a successful punter to make billions. Punters who get their accounts restricted should bring the bookmaker to the court. I've been doing match betting for a couple of years with a decent profit.I am planning to spend more time and increase my profit. As soon as i get restricted i will go in court with them.
Nice video! Would overall profit/loss on your account also be a major factor? If you always won your bets but placed the bets at the worst odds/value. Bookmakers can lay your bets on the exchange and still profit. Or is value betting more significant in your opinion?
Hi Caan, if beeing a profitable punter would end up in restriction, how legal this activity is? These bookmakers are making billions based on naive punters, why you as a good punter you are not allowed? How come these companies got license, got the law by their side? Smells a bit of corruption
Just a thought and I am not having a go, I may be barking up the wrong tree, but why would bookies not be happy with people doing matched betting? You need to place bets to release bonuses etc but most of these bets placed at bookies would statistically be losers surely? So matched betting could theoretically make a profit for the bookmakers...depending on the promotion, for example 365 4/1 or more promotion, if betting the max 50 quid you might not get a winner until say the 10th attempt so 365 would have taken 450 off you, say your 10th bet wins at 4/1 they have a profit of 250 out of you (if your bonus bet now loses) and most of your profit will usually come from the exchange.
This is in top 3 informative video on betting/gambling/trading. A must watch. Thank you Caan Berry 👍 Only one question... Did you try to make account on your family’s members? Did the bookmakers still offer the bonuses?
Very good video with some great points. I have now also come to the conclusion that the best course of action is to go hard on decent to big stakes, rather than pussyfoot around. I had many accounts where "l played it safe" that have been gubbed just as quickly as those where i've gone hell to leather. Plus, it feels like bookies are getting better and better at sniffing things out now. Go big or go home.
My mug betting takes seconds really, costs a few quid a week tops, also dropping a few quid in the slots (95% RTP) could increase your rating with them whilst costing very little. Pad the main accounts out, don't bother with the smaller ones. That's my approach but its a fluid playing field, never know how long they will last. Big no no for me is doing FBs as high odds singles, do them as well researched no lay doubles - works for me.
@@CaanBerryProTrader How about if you bet £100-200 as a mug bet on a popular football match and then lay that bet off at the exchange to lose a few quid? Would that not fool them?
@@martincarline8605 The only real solution is multi accounting. Get in, take them for as much you can for as long as you can, move on to the next account. Perhaps be a bit more gentle with some more important accounts like 365, as if you have multiples of them it can be really nice underlaying the free inplay offers or doing 2ups.
Sorry forgot to say, close the account before you get gubbed, take the offer take a quick reload, withdraw if any, then close. Bash em smash em then you close the bookie account for six months, then try them again, works well better if you can get one or two friends to do the same, give them the money to get them started teach them how to do it, im sure they will give a few quid out of there winnings.
Video a bit late for me ALL my accounts have now heavily restricted or closed....... Probably because I ONLY bet in "bad" each way races........ Virtually all my betting now is in the shops.... No one takes any notice of £20 each way in the shops and you can soon get a reasonable amount on with a bit of legwork........ To be honest if I was an on-line bookie I wouldn't want me betting with them either.... The trouble for them is that they are betting on races FAR TOO EARLY..... And leaving themselves exposed to anyone with an ounce of knowledge....
They can't really complain about the EW system. It benefits them even more than win-only in over 90% of races. As sharps it's not our fault we can do maths.
I wish I knew how to do this as in identify the value I know nothing about the GG's but do like to bet so decided when I fancy a dabble use a tipster. Tried alot but in the end stick with one - GYTO. Not sure if such are affiliates to bookies or what there angle is but seem okay good and bad days. I just view them as someone that knows more than me so helps me pick nags. Often I don't get the same value as think either bookies monitor same sites or money on brings odds down so guess consistently I'm not finding value as I'm getting on to late so winning less when they do win but still losing same stakes so my ROI will be much less than said tipsters tips.
Just an idea! What if after you won your bet, you stake your entire winnings on a popular event and back the team that is less likely to win on the bookie's site. Then, lay it with an exchange assuming there's enough liquidity. Then, if the team you backed at the bookie's loses will essentially nullify your previous winnings and the money (with some qualifying loss) will "transfer" across to the exchange from where you can withdraw it. Would this work? From the bookie's perspective you never truly win anything long term, just lose constantly.
The same as in Portugal, they don't offer value odds either, the only advantage you can take from it are the bonus. There is no profitable punter or trader restricted to bet or in Portugal, or Spain or France
Great idea for profit rush can you make a page up so people can upload match betting vids for others to learn from. You would be the first match betting site o do it i think, i have not looked at others may be they do or may be not.
Hi mate. I am subscribed to your Book and 5 videos but after a Windows 10 update yesterday, the Geeks Toy program will no longer run. We have tried rolling back to Windows 8 etc and running as an adminstrator, Troubleshooting etc but it still refuses to work after being deleted and re-installed. Are your ideas compatible with other programs? I have a Geeks Toy subscription until next January but that is now obviously uselss. What other programs should I consider now that I cannot use this great program anymore? Your settings that I downloaded looked great but, as I said if the program will not open (Access denied) that is of little value to me now. You probably do not have such great courses for other programs I assume? Anthony from Down Under.
I'm still not convinced that NFL is not rigged, I know it sounds out rageous but in my heart money makes the world go round. When the patriots take 50million in bets and the opposition takes 50k I dunno the supposed favourite has a habit of loosing.
Is it worth completely closing accounts. If I'm arb betting with 6 different bookies... every so often close one down for a month or so. Then re-open as a fresh account. Meanwhile shut down a different one in the same way.. hence cycling through them.. always having 5 of the 6 open is enough to find arb bets. Will it avoid the bookies seeing a long history of winning behaviour? Or will it only attract more attention? Thoughts?
When the recreational punter or 'mug punter' finds out abouting gubbing and that he can never win after losing say £50,000 in his lifetime then the game is over for the bookies.Shorting all bookies shares with a broker is a very smart long term move.
About the whole trying to bet at high odds so that your bets win in the exchange, I think you are wrong. Yes, you might win a lot in one bookmaker account if you do win one of those high odds bets, but you'll only win a few of them, if any. So in the absolute majority of your accounts you do not make a money and can survive longer without being gubbed - that is what happened to me anyway
No it's a mathematical fact, abs doesn't have anything to do with how they gubb accounts either. see the video about that process here - ua-cam.com/video/BEvhnKmZOHM/v-deo.html short term you may move money to the exchange (but may more commission anyway). but over time you're worse off and it flips the other way.
So if I do the William hill golden goal offer and bet £12.50 at 3.0 to get the full £25 bonus (when I normally bet £10 or £20) this won’t be flagged? Of course bet amounts are flagged if they are abnormal
Does this principle apply to America with the expanded gambling operations, or just Britain? Everything I watch and read is based in Britain. Sportsbetting has only been legal in my state for a few months, and I just started, and I think I've already been gubbed.
Hi Chris, I think in the vast majority of cases you will yes. There is one or two strange exceptions I have heard of but usually its when people aren't willing to supply personal details to the firm. They should also give out any winnings at the time of closure.
@@CaanBerryProTrader A lot of older people don't use the internet, they have no idea they are being cheated. These are the people who have kept bookmakers in business since the early sixties. They are missing all the offers that account customers get. They don't even know the prices on football coupons in shops are worse than those online. The gambling commission should stop giving licences to bookmakers who refuse to take bets.
@@CaanBerryProTrader I'm really new, just done a bit of MB, I know a bit about football, where should I start? Scalping races or what? And this is probably a dumb question but if I am doing just one trade in a race/match, what the difference between backing and then Leying for profit rather than just cashing out when the odds move in your favour? Thanks for the work you are doing. I'm sure you've helped a lot of people get out of the shit.
Once more, a 12 minute video , with no real good advice at all , once your restricted , that’s it , your not going to get a bet with them , this video offers nothing to contradict that fact ... I have much better advice too gubbing than this ..you want value , at a price advertised , then you get up Off your arse , and drive down to a local betting office ( there’s enough about ) . Certainly more managerial staff , can restrict you , but 9 times out of 10 it’s a young bird or student behind the counter., who will freely take your bet no questions asked .. . I have been Doing this for years , and I’ve got loads of restricted accounts , but you fail To mention this clearly simple answer too gubbing , once in this video
Caan Berry well how much do you like too get on ? Or are you solely interested in hedging ? All I know is with firms I’m restricted with , the amount they let me bet is an absolute joke . Sky bet really take the piss , £2.73 on a 5-4 shot , something like that
Don't know why YT suggested this, although it's probably because I grind online poker. It's difficult enough beating GTO bots and math-savant geeks, without the added futility of betting against the house. Why don't you degens ever learn? You will NEVER beat the house. The house makes up its rules on the fly to ensure that never happens.
My mug betting takes seconds really, costs a few quid a week tops, also dropping a few quid in the slots (95% RTP) could increase your rating with them whilst costing very little. Pad the main accounts out, don't bother with the smaller ones. That's my approach but its a fluid playing field, never know how long they will last. Big no no for me is doing FBs as high odds singles, do them as well researched no lay doubles - works for me.
Stumbled across your channel after recently starting matched betting and have to say your content is brilliant! Very helpful and down to earth, keeping it realistic! I've only just started out myself but my aim is to build up a nice bank roll to which I can then invest into sports trading. I've got quite a long road ahead of me yet and a hell of lot to learn but your videos are definitely helping me along my journey! Thanks!!
Reading your post 3 years later makes me wonder how you got on.
Interesting as it's happened to me and I am a recreational bettor I don't arb or understand this value betting so it was a shock when I started to get gubbed at sports books though I did sweep up free bets and use them in a systimatic way.
10mins onwards is absolute gold. Probably the best ever advice you will hear on the whole gubbing issue
honest video, almost impossible to avoid gubbings over time
Honesty is the best policy, always. :)
That is simply discrimination of winning players. It should be stopped by legislation. You can't block winning customers based on their performance. It should be addressed with governing body.
@Richard Francis they should block people losing too much on the same basis as the winners
how these bookmakers got the license? its clear they are doing an illegal activity. Making billions from the naive gamblers, but they won't allow a successful punter to make billions. Punters who get their accounts restricted should bring the bookmaker to the court. I've been doing match betting for a couple of years with a decent profit.I am planning to spend more time and increase my profit. As soon as i get restricted i will go in court with them.
@@trcflaviu you can double your money every year.or half
Nice video! Would overall profit/loss on your account also be a major factor? If you always won your bets but placed the bets at the worst odds/value.
Bookmakers can lay your bets on the exchange and still profit.
Or is value betting more significant in your opinion?
@@CaanBerryProTrader cheers!
Hi Caan, if beeing a profitable punter would end up in restriction, how legal this activity is? These bookmakers are making billions based on naive punters, why you as a good punter you are not allowed? How come these companies got license, got the law by their side? Smells a bit of corruption
Casinos never win by being 50/50
Just a thought and I am not having a go, I may be barking up the wrong tree, but why would bookies not be happy with people doing matched betting? You need to place bets to release bonuses etc but most of these bets placed at bookies would statistically be losers surely? So matched betting could theoretically make a profit for the bookmakers...depending on the promotion, for example 365 4/1 or more promotion, if betting the max 50 quid you might not get a winner until say the 10th attempt so 365 would have taken 450 off you, say your 10th bet wins at 4/1 they have a profit of 250 out of you (if your bonus bet now loses) and most of your profit will usually come from the exchange.
Nah, the profit comes from the bookies, not from the exchange. Hence the bookies are losing money, that’s why they ban people
This is in top 3 informative video on betting/gambling/trading. A must watch. Thank you Caan Berry 👍
Only one question... Did you try to make account on your family’s members? Did the bookmakers still offer the bonuses?
Of course 🤦🏻♂️
Very good video with some great points. I have now also come to the conclusion that the best course of action is to go hard on decent to big stakes, rather than pussyfoot around. I had many accounts where "l played it safe" that have been gubbed just as quickly as those where i've gone hell to leather. Plus, it feels like bookies are getting better and better at sniffing things out now. Go big or go home.
My mug betting takes seconds really, costs a few quid a week tops, also dropping a few quid in the slots (95% RTP) could increase your rating with them whilst costing very little. Pad the main accounts out, don't bother with the smaller ones. That's my approach but its a fluid playing field, never know how long they will last. Big no no for me is doing FBs as high odds singles, do them as well researched no lay doubles - works for me.
A few mug bets on low stakes doesn't fool an algorythim dude.
@@CaanBerryProTrader How about if you bet £100-200 as a mug bet on a popular football match and then lay that bet off at the exchange to lose a few quid? Would that not fool them?
@@martincarline8605 The only real solution is multi accounting. Get in, take them for as much you can for as long as you can, move on to the next account. Perhaps be a bit more gentle with some more important accounts like 365, as if you have multiples of them it can be really nice underlaying the free inplay offers or doing 2ups.
@@DavidSmith-oy4of How can you get more accounts after you used your family members accounts? Is there any online grey market for them?
Sorry forgot to say, close the account before you get gubbed, take the offer take a quick reload, withdraw if any, then close.
Bash em smash em then you close the bookie account for six months, then try them again, works well
better if you can get one or two friends to do the same, give them the money to get them started teach them how to do it,
im sure they will give a few quid out of there winnings.
You can't. Bookies aren't stupid, it's easy to identify people who bet on value.
Video a bit late for me ALL my accounts have now heavily restricted or closed....... Probably because I ONLY bet in "bad" each way races........ Virtually all my betting now is in the shops.... No one takes any notice of £20 each way in the shops and you can soon get a reasonable amount on with a bit of legwork........ To be honest if I was an on-line bookie I wouldn't want me betting with them either.... The trouble for them is that they are betting on races FAR TOO EARLY..... And leaving themselves exposed to anyone with an ounce of knowledge....
They can't really complain about the EW system. It benefits them even more than win-only in over 90% of races. As sharps it's not our fault we can do maths.
I wish I knew how to do this as in identify the value I know nothing about the GG's but do like to bet so decided when I fancy a dabble use a tipster. Tried alot but in the end stick with one - GYTO. Not sure if such are affiliates to bookies or what there angle is but seem okay good and bad days. I just view them as someone that knows more than me so helps me pick nags. Often I don't get the same value as think either bookies monitor same sites or money on brings odds down so guess consistently I'm not finding value as I'm getting on to late so winning less when they do win but still losing same stakes so my ROI will be much less than said tipsters tips.
Just an idea! What if after you won your bet, you stake your entire winnings on a popular event and back the team that is less likely to win on the bookie's site. Then, lay it with an exchange assuming there's enough liquidity. Then, if the team you backed at the bookie's loses will essentially nullify your previous winnings and the money (with some qualifying loss) will "transfer" across to the exchange from where you can withdraw it. Would this work? From the bookie's perspective you never truly win anything long term, just lose constantly.
Anyone try this?
I've just opened a few accounts and guess what my inbox has been bombarded by free bet offers
Another great blog great and honest
Betting companies who operate in Spain can no longer restrict customers bets. Fact not fiction.
which companys are they ?
The same as in Portugal, they don't offer value odds either, the only advantage you can take from it are the bonus. There is no profitable punter or trader restricted to bet or in Portugal, or Spain or France
@@ShakaZoulou77 So arb works in this states?
Cheers Caan, nice video bud. Hope your tracking well on a personal level. NFL season here now if you need a tip let a brother know. 😉
Great idea for profit rush
can you make a page up so people can upload match betting vids for others to learn from.
You would be the first match betting site o do it i think, i have not looked at others may be they do or may be not.
How can you keep doing it? Surely this all makes it hard to be a professional matched better?
More accounts required. Depends what you are doing. Its got harder.
Very good. You're right, get the max in the time you're with them. Plus I think its a badge of honour to take their money and get gubbed.
😂😂😂😂😂
Hi mate. I am subscribed to your Book and 5 videos but after a Windows 10 update yesterday, the Geeks Toy program will no longer run. We have tried rolling back to Windows 8 etc and running as an adminstrator, Troubleshooting etc but it still refuses to work after being deleted and re-installed. Are your ideas compatible with other programs? I have a Geeks Toy subscription until next January but that is now obviously uselss. What other programs should I consider now that I cannot use this great program anymore? Your settings that I downloaded looked great but, as I said if the program will not open (Access denied) that is of little value to me now. You probably do not have such great courses for other programs I assume? Anthony from Down Under.
I'm still not convinced that NFL is not rigged, I know it sounds out rageous but in my heart money makes the world go round. When the patriots take 50million in bets and the opposition takes 50k I dunno the supposed favourite has a habit of loosing.
Gematria effect sports, check his channel out he will tell you who's gonna win
How do they know what you do on the exchange?
And New punters should also know The Gambling Commission who regulate the betting industry are also know as or A.K.A. THE CHOCOLATE TEAPOT!!
Is it worth completely closing accounts.
If I'm arb betting with 6 different bookies... every so often close one down for a month or so. Then re-open as a fresh account.
Meanwhile shut down a different one in the same way.. hence cycling through them.. always having 5 of the 6 open is enough to find arb bets.
Will it avoid the bookies seeing a long history of winning behaviour? Or will it only attract more attention? Thoughts?
Do you get the moneys you win when you get your account closed or they can keep your wins too
I got an account closed and they mailed me a check within a week
Yes you do
That means you should not bet beause if u win ur gonna get banned aur if u lose ur obviously gonna end up losung all your money
I stick to premier league/European football and horses and don’t bet all the time
When the recreational punter or 'mug punter' finds out abouting gubbing and that he can never win after losing say £50,000 in his lifetime then the game is over for the bookies.Shorting all bookies shares with a broker is a very smart long term move.
About the whole trying to bet at high odds so that your bets win in the exchange, I think you are wrong. Yes, you might win a lot in one bookmaker account if you do win one of those high odds bets, but you'll only win a few of them, if any. So in the absolute majority of your accounts you do not make a money and can survive longer without being gubbed - that is what happened to me anyway
No it's a mathematical fact, abs doesn't have anything to do with how they gubb accounts either. see the video about that process here - ua-cam.com/video/BEvhnKmZOHM/v-deo.html
short term you may move money to the exchange (but may more commission anyway). but over time you're worse off and it flips the other way.
So if I do the William hill golden goal offer and bet £12.50 at 3.0 to get the full £25 bonus (when I normally bet £10 or £20) this won’t be flagged? Of course bet amounts are flagged if they are abnormal
Does this principle apply to America with the expanded gambling operations, or just Britain? Everything I watch and read is based in Britain. Sportsbetting has only been legal in my state for a few months, and I just started, and I think I've already been gubbed.
Ive only been banned once in the US and I was being too obvious.
I'm quite new to betting. if my account did get closed do they give back our initial deposit?
Hi Chris, I think in the vast majority of cases you will yes. There is one or two strange exceptions I have heard of but usually its when people aren't willing to supply personal details to the firm. They should also give out any winnings at the time of closure.
@@CaanBerryProTrader Hi what did you mean by value betting and what are the alternatives?
People need to stop using bookmakers. They will nearly always get a better price on an exchange.
@@CaanBerryProTrader A lot of older people don't use the internet, they have no idea they are being cheated. These are the people who have kept bookmakers in business since the early sixties. They are missing all the offers that account customers get. They don't even know the prices on football coupons in shops are worse than those online. The gambling commission should stop giving licences to bookmakers who refuse to take bets.
What happens to people lie Caan? doesn't he get banned from all sites?
Yep.
@@CaanBerryProTrader I'm really new, just done a bit of MB, I know a bit about football, where should I start? Scalping races or what? And this is probably a dumb question but if I am doing just one trade in a race/match, what the difference between backing and then Leying for profit rather than just cashing out when the odds move in your favour? Thanks for the work you are doing. I'm sure you've helped a lot of people get out of the shit.
Can you get gubbed trading the exchange using auto bots ?
No.
Bash em smash em then you close the bookie account for six months, then try them again, works well
mike advisor does that actually work lol
Don't bet £50ew on 100/1 horses in bad ew races :D
Typical ex squaddie drops ' TLA's all over the presentation and deciphers hardly any of them, slow down curly.
Once more, a 12 minute video , with no real good advice at all , once your restricted , that’s it , your not going to get a bet with them , this video offers nothing to contradict that fact ...
I have much better advice too gubbing than this ..you want value , at a price advertised , then you get up
Off your arse , and drive down to a local betting office ( there’s enough about ) . Certainly more managerial staff , can restrict you , but 9 times out of 10 it’s a young bird or student behind the counter., who will freely take your bet no questions asked ..
. I have been Doing this for years , and I’ve got loads of restricted accounts , but you fail
To mention this clearly simple answer too gubbing , once in this video
Caan Berry well how much do you like too get on ? Or are you solely interested in hedging ? All I know is with firms I’m restricted with , the amount they let me bet is an absolute joke . Sky bet really take the piss , £2.73 on a 5-4 shot , something like that
Steven George I think you should stick to your slot machines ❌
Don't know why YT suggested this, although it's probably because I grind online poker. It's difficult enough beating GTO bots and math-savant geeks, without the added futility of betting against the house. Why don't you degens ever learn? You will NEVER beat the house. The house makes up its rules on the fly to ensure that never happens.
You speak too much and don't have any good solution
There isn't a good solution. There's a reason they do it, to stop people winning... if you have a good solution please do share it :)
My mug betting takes seconds really, costs a few quid a week tops, also dropping a few quid in the slots (95% RTP) could increase your rating with them whilst costing very little. Pad the main accounts out, don't bother with the smaller ones. That's my approach but its a fluid playing field, never know how long they will last. Big no no for me is doing FBs as high odds singles, do them as well researched no lay doubles - works for me.
A few mug bets on low stakes doesn't fool an algorythim dude.