New tech 😅, my $20 Amazon water shoes have the same "speed lace" system. I can guarantee this change saved rapha tons of money over a boa system and so they can take those doctors and dentist for even more of their money
@@YtseHWSW you must of missed my point, I'm saying that a ratcheting boa is superior to what is basically a rebranded tie-less bungee system and that I'm sure this is just helping the bottom line of Rapha and inferior to their out going model
I don't get these at all. They loosen up. Can't adjust while riding. Have overhang you have to 'tuck in'. Have to get them changed by rapha too. Like..how is this progress?
@@discbrakefan I just don't see how it offers almost anything of value other than saving people from having to do a reg shoe lace up, with the added benefit of being out of action while they get fixed because you can't fix them yourself. I'd imagine issues with boa are more a fitting issue than an issue with the system. Different shoe same system might solve the prob. But I've no experience with that so grain of salt here.
@@out_spocken Lol, I don't think their marketing consultants ride road bikes at all. This Salomon-like system is possibly the worst they could adopt on their shoes. With just a regular lace ups, you tighten each row of laces, bottom to top, separately. That's the whole point as it allows to adjust the pressure differently at 6/8/10 whatever different places, but with this "single pull" system, you always get lots of pressure at the top, but the bottom stays undertightened. Which is why most shoes with BOA dials use 2 no. dials. The ones with a single BOA dial suffer that issue too. Anybody who has owned Salomon running shoes knows this issue.
no in-ride adjustability is a showstopper for me - i often experience a small amount of give in the upper after a few minutes (maybe materials gets softer when up to bodytemperature). i like my shoes pretty tight, especially for sprints. So what works best for me is the Vaypor S or Shimano shoes with a strap for the Boa instead of just cables alone.
Nike has used this same “speed” lace mechanism more than a dozen years ago… most recently with their ACG boots… I always found the tension in those lacking in comparison to traditional laces or BOA… what I do like is Rapha incorporating a way to tuck that lace out of the way… still a beautiful shoe, but not enough for me to ditch my BOA’s…
I may be in the minority but I don't want premium insoles in my premium shoes. If you're buying high end shoes, and are looking for elite performance, then you should be going at least somewhat custom for insoles. I don't want the extra cost of a premium insole that might not work.
These shoes work with the Peloton bike+ (April 2022), ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxGPkov2mNjgZfG33r6Bwvies8jKE4AKZB and are of good enough quality. I have completed 10 rides so far and there are no issues. The first time trying to fit them on the Peloton bike took 10 minutes (even with the help of an experienced cyclist friend who wears the same type of cleats). It took a couple of rides to break in. After the first two rides there were no issues at all.
All the cycling shoe brands are still failing in one area. NONE of them have a lacing system that locks the heel cup to the heel. Runners figured out a long time ago that locking the heel cup to heel relieves pressure on the top of the foot and allows for even more efficient power output. $500 for that shoe? What a joke. Rapha has lost their minds.
Those shoes legit look like they cost 6$ to manufacture. I will continue to enjoy the carbon wire 2 as they are in my opinion the best shoes out there across the board where it counts . Build quality,design details , high end premium materials,comfort, secure fit, durable and supreme protection in event of crash . Just got some Dmt SH1 for the hot days and they are just not comfortable and need to be modified with gel heel pads and ankle pads as well as custom inserts as the carbon arches dig into the foot majorly and I have a high arch . Nice aesthetic shoe but very uncomfortable.
What's the point of a lace system if you're running skinny laces? If BOA came out with a ribbon instead of a wire, there would be truly no reason to ever consider laces.
Boa has a really nice light weight lace version instead of a wire. It's used on the pearl Izumi pro road shoes and the pearl Izumi expedition shoes. Really light and conforms to your foot better
If you need wide shoes then your best bet is Lake. Seems making wider models is just a bit too much hassle for every other brand out there. Yes I've tried Bont and their wide models and they just aren't up to snuff - their lasts have a super awkward and anti-anatomic shape.
I have a pair of Bont (basic model, which is quite wide by default) and Lake (CX403 in Wide). The bont actually fit me almost as well as the lake. They're really not bad shoes at all, but they don't work for everyone. I also like how stiff the lower end Bont models are, where the lower end lake models are quite floppy (And the higher end are very very pricey).
The fact that an item has a higher price does not always mean that it will be of higher quality. Don't get me wrong, there is a specialized segment of the market for this particular type of expensive product. I think those cycling shoes are a great example. No matter how much you may disagree, they will have fans and followers who will immediately run to buy your product. Only remember...designed in London and made in China. 😳
Ever since the Chloe Dygert fiasco with Rapha I just can’t with them. Rapha charging top dollar for a $10 triathlon running shoe hack is consistent with their business model.
So…they don't hold your feet in place when sprinting, you can't tighten them while riding, the laces may interfere with your drivetrain, the material is a dirt magnet and they're only sold in white. One should by it because it says "Rapha" on it? What the hell is this product lmao
Any shoe with the basic carbon plate outsole is junk. Don’t care how fancy the upper is. I’ve done Bonts and Lake shoes with their carbon tub outsoles that 3 dimensionally contour to your feet and will never go back.
Dead in the water - no way that you can adjust that with one hand on the bike. The beauty of the BOA is that you could just lean over and click-up or click-down. Why is this necessary? Because as your feet heat up they expand and vice-versa in the cold so you need adjustments on the fly. Doubt you will find these outside of strictly pro riders.
I bought a pair of Salomon Speedcross trail shoes, tried them on, took them off, put them back in the box and sent them back. Absolutely hated the ‘speed laces’ or whatever they are called. Just couldn’t get on with them. Too alien for my liking. Just felt wrong.
I wear a 49 and find SiDis regularly-- and on sale very often. I even have a pair of 50's for winter for thicker socks, 399 USD for 99 USD on close out.
I play with my boas on the ride a lot, with this system it is not possible, it is a no no for me for this alone. It looks very nice though, not gonna lie.
I have been using the Sworks Sub 6 shoes for some time now. Just bought myself a pair of these in white. I also bought a pair of normal laces to replace these speed laces. Was there a reason Rapha didn't go with conventional laces? Not sure what benefit you really get from speed laces.
You should try Suplest.. they come with OEM Solestar insoles. Possibly the best insole for cycling IMO. Oh.. and they put carbon over the foot to spread out the pressure from the BOA wires.
It’s funny you think that this was overly positive, given my take away was “this does not solve the issues that currently exist with laced shoes”. 🤷🏻. All the other information I provided in the video was objective (size, weight, design process). You could argue I was positive about the “looks” of the product, but I stand by that comment … I think they do look good. Your comment really backs up my thoughts on why I don’t bother doing reviews. This was just my opinion on the shoes, yet you feel angered enough by the video to tell me it was “too positive”.
Just try any pair of Salomon running shoes and see for yourself how locked (NOT) it really is, which in the case of running shoes I didn't find to be a problem. Here they have supposedly redesigned the retention system to stay equally tight, but I am sceptical.
First: is any of this sponsored content? Were the shoes free or discounted? More importantly, I have a pair of 3 year old Adidas Terrex shoes with that same toggle and place to tuck the laces near the bottom of the tongue. Nothing new here. I would NOT like that system on my cycling shoes, though. There is always more tension at the top of the shoe than the bottom unless I spend extra attention and pull the bottom laces tight and work my way to the top and *then* pull the toggle tight. TLDR: meh. Edit: I am nowhere NEAR pro enough to pull of white shoes.
It’s not sponsored. Rapha was the apparel partner of the team I ran for 7 years, so I am friendly with some people working there, who helped me with the information (design process stuff).
@@ChrisMillerCycling Understood. Hopefully you understand the honest nature of my inquiry. So many 'ex' riders/racers become brand ambassadors that their opinions become suspect and often spurious. I don't think any of us mind if a manufacturer heaps loads of goods on you-- as long as you disclose that fact early in the endorsement. Much like the way GCN has become long form adverts for various brands. Been a long time fan of the channel MOSTLY because you were out there turning pedals and had insight the rest of us didn't weren't likely to have and you could relay those experiences with intelligent and humourous commentary. It's when content creators start with the 'let's go tour the factory' and then 'let's check out the place in Girona they bought for me-- but my reviews are honest, really!' that many of us check out.
I might buck the trend here, but I like cycling shoes to look like cycling shoes. I’m not a fan of some recent attempts by brands like adidas to make cycling shoes look like trainers. The boa system looks like a cycling shoe. Laces look like a trainer.
I am stuck on laces and always will be. I have Rapha laced and GIRO laced shoes and love them. And you can buy the speed lace kit online, I have them on all of my shoes not just cycling shoes.
Shimano have been using 'speed laces' on their MTB shoes for a while. Their solution to a trailing end is a big old flap secured by velcro which also helps keep mud/water out and could be seen as a bit aero... I like speed laces but I think I prefer a boa or plain old velcro straps on a road or gravel shoe TBH
I quite like the Grio Prolight Techlace system for the best of lace comfort and velcro speed. Unfortunately, there's a bunch of other issue with those shoes, and they've been discontinued, but I'd like to see them persist with that closure system.
If you cannot tighten or loosen during a ride with one hand, it might be a problem. What happens if the strap gets loose and gets stuck in the chain ring?
Having worn the Salomon trail running shoes for years I can't see this being a good solution for cycling. More overmarketed, new for the sake of new BS from wankateering specialists. Boa dials are the superior closure system end of. The only reason for laces is if you have a really weird shaped foot and need to take pressure off certain areas.
New tech 😅, my $20 Amazon water shoes have the same "speed lace" system. I can guarantee this change saved rapha tons of money over a boa system and so they can take those doctors and dentist for even more of their money
try to do 1400W sprints in your water shoes and see if they remain on your feet
@@YtseHWSW you must of missed my point, I'm saying that a ratcheting boa is superior to what is basically a rebranded tie-less bungee system and that I'm sure this is just helping the bottom line of Rapha and inferior to their out going model
@@YtseHWSW you don't need 500usd shoes to do 1400W sprints.
Rapha are offering both the speed laces and the Boa as options so you don’t really seem to have a point at all.
Straight to the point@!
The same groundbreaking technology as in Decathlon's Rockrider ST500 MTB shoes, literally gamechanger.
Did DECATHLONjust reinvent CYCLING??? 😂😂
BUT IT'S NOT PHAPHA
@@p504504 hard to say, but this clown is certainly reinventing click baiting x)
I don't get these at all. They loosen up. Can't adjust while riding. Have overhang you have to 'tuck in'. Have to get them changed by rapha too. Like..how is this progress?
It’s not a replacement for the Boa, just another option
@@discbrakefan I just don't see how it offers almost anything of value other than saving people from having to do a reg shoe lace up, with the added benefit of being out of action while they get fixed because you can't fix them yourself.
I'd imagine issues with boa are more a fitting issue than an issue with the system. Different shoe same system might solve the prob. But I've no experience with that so grain of salt here.
@@out_spocken Lol, I don't think their marketing consultants ride road bikes at all. This Salomon-like system is possibly the worst they could adopt on their shoes. With just a regular lace ups, you tighten each row of laces, bottom to top, separately. That's the whole point as it allows to adjust the pressure differently at 6/8/10 whatever different places, but with this "single pull" system, you always get lots of pressure at the top, but the bottom stays undertightened. Which is why most shoes with BOA dials use 2 no. dials. The ones with a single BOA dial suffer that issue too. Anybody who has owned Salomon running shoes knows this issue.
no in-ride adjustability is a showstopper for me - i often experience a small amount of give in the upper after a few minutes (maybe materials gets softer when up to bodytemperature). i like my shoes pretty tight, especially for sprints. So what works best for me is the Vaypor S or Shimano shoes with a strap for the Boa instead of just cables alone.
Exactly!
massive step backwards
Proprietary laces, we have reached new heights in over engineering solutions to problems that never existed 😂😂😂 whats wrong with boa dials exactly??
Pressure point and aero drag
Nike has used this same “speed” lace mechanism more than a dozen years ago… most recently with their ACG boots… I always found the tension in those lacking in comparison to traditional laces or BOA… what I do like is Rapha incorporating a way to tuck that lace out of the way… still a beautiful shoe, but not enough for me to ditch my BOA’s…
Hey Chris! Regular lace shoe does not come loose with the proper knots and lacing.
So they're laces for people who cant tie knots. 😂
I may be in the minority but I don't want premium insoles in my premium shoes. If you're buying high end shoes, and are looking for elite performance, then you should be going at least somewhat custom for insoles. I don't want the extra cost of a premium insole that might not work.
Here, you get the extra cost of a premium insole without the premium insole 😂
These shoes work with the Peloton bike+ (April 2022), ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxGPkov2mNjgZfG33r6Bwvies8jKE4AKZB and are of good enough quality. I have completed 10 rides so far and there are no issues. The first time trying to fit them on the Peloton bike took 10 minutes (even with the help of an experienced cyclist friend who wears the same type of cleats). It took a couple of rides to break in. After the first two rides there were no issues at all.
no way can get better than dials or straps/rachets. Laces can't give enough grip. You will perform in SPITE of the laces.
All the cycling shoe brands are still failing in one area. NONE of them have a lacing system that locks the heel cup to the heel. Runners figured out a long time ago that locking the heel cup to heel relieves pressure on the top of the foot and allows for even more efficient power output. $500 for that shoe? What a joke. Rapha has lost their minds.
Those shoes legit look like they cost 6$ to manufacture. I will continue to enjoy the carbon wire 2 as they are in my opinion the best shoes out there across the board where it counts . Build quality,design details , high end premium materials,comfort, secure fit, durable and supreme protection in event of crash . Just got some Dmt SH1 for the hot days and they are just not comfortable and need to be modified with gel heel pads and ankle pads as well as custom inserts as the carbon arches dig into the foot majorly and I have a high arch . Nice aesthetic shoe but very uncomfortable.
What's the point of a lace system if you're running skinny laces? If BOA came out with a ribbon instead of a wire, there would be truly no reason to ever consider laces.
That won't work. Running the wire through a padded tongue.
Boa has a really nice light weight lace version instead of a wire. It's used on the pearl Izumi pro road shoes and the pearl Izumi expedition shoes. Really light and conforms to your foot better
Overpriced low-quality shoes. Giro shoes all day!
If you need wide shoes then your best bet is Lake. Seems making wider models is just a bit too much hassle for every other brand out there. Yes I've tried Bont and their wide models and they just aren't up to snuff - their lasts have a super awkward and anti-anatomic shape.
I was sucked in and tried Bont because so many reviewers raved about them. They made them seem like the greatest shoes ever made.
Once you go lake, you’ll never go back
I have a pair of Bont (basic model, which is quite wide by default) and Lake (CX403 in Wide). The bont actually fit me almost as well as the lake. They're really not bad shoes at all, but they don't work for everyone. I also like how stiff the lower end Bont models are, where the lower end lake models are quite floppy (And the higher end are very very pricey).
Bont are good for wide feet. Pricey as hell though
@@DaveCM Bont are excellent shoes, but like every shoe brand they don’t suit everyone.
Great review but a questionable product update. Maybe Rapha will go with a zipper on the next iteration. 😂
So to answer the question you posed in the lede. No. No they haven’t.
The fact that an item has a higher price does not always mean that it will be of higher quality.
Don't get me wrong, there is a specialized segment of the market for this particular type of expensive product.
I think those cycling shoes are a great example. No matter how much you may disagree, they will have fans and followers who will immediately run to buy your product. Only remember...designed in London and made in China. 😳
While Salomon is moving to BOA.
Hear me out: Boa with elastic laces
Ever since the Chloe Dygert fiasco with Rapha I just can’t with them. Rapha charging top dollar for a $10 triathlon running shoe hack is consistent with their business model.
Well they are $40 cheaper than the Boa model
What about adjustability mid-ride? That’s a deal breaker for me.
One handed corrections during a race are not so simple!!!😂😂😂
So…they don't hold your feet in place when sprinting, you can't tighten them while riding, the laces may interfere with your drivetrain, the material is a dirt magnet and they're only sold in white. One should by it because it says "Rapha" on it? What the hell is this product lmao
It's a PHAPHA product.
These are unfortunately bullshit. They loosen for 300+ watts.
Not me looking for the Quake pro Rapha and finding this 😂😂
Absolutely LOVE the time departure schedule 😅 im exactly the same!! Thise shoes ... too slow for me. You need to try Lake shoes 👌
I hate brands that don't put a slotted bolt system on the bottom of the shoe.
Built in house? !? All burton snowboard liners have had that lace up stem for over a decade?
Any shoe with the basic carbon plate outsole is junk. Don’t care how fancy the upper is. I’ve done Bonts and Lake shoes with their carbon tub outsoles that 3 dimensionally contour to your feet and will never go back.
Dead in the water - no way that you can adjust that with one hand on the bike. The beauty of the BOA is that you could just lean over and click-up or click-down. Why is this necessary? Because as your feet heat up they expand and vice-versa in the cold so you need adjustments on the fly. Doubt you will find these outside of strictly pro riders.
My 2017 shimano ME7 MTB shoe has the same speed lace. Dont believe rapha reinvented laces and its not something new.
A step backwards while charging ridiculous money
I bought a pair of Salomon Speedcross trail shoes, tried them on, took them off, put them back in the box and sent them back. Absolutely hated the ‘speed laces’ or whatever they are called. Just couldn’t get on with them. Too alien for my liking. Just felt wrong.
that the worst pair of cycling shoes, remember you need one-handed adjustment with minimal fuss👎
More cycling brands need to make bigger sizes, In limited to Shimano & Lake pretty much for serious road shoes.
I wear a 49 and find SiDis regularly-- and on sale very often. I even have a pair of 50's for winter for thicker socks, 399 USD for 99 USD on close out.
They wont stay white for long. The white mesh is almost impossible to maintain clean. One wet ride and its over. Maybe its different on the new ones
Shoes look ok. The heel looks too plain. Once that gets dirty it's going to look disgusting.
I would rather get Bontrager.
I play with my boas on the ride a lot, with this system it is not possible, it is a no no for me for this alone. It looks very nice though, not gonna lie.
Those cycling shoes are getting into ski boots price territory and I feel this is complete bullshit
$400? For that low tech lace? One tightness throughout, no thanks.
Insoles are in the most sports not good. The same is in snowboarding- premium boot but also crap insoles
I have been using the Sworks Sub 6 shoes for some time now. Just bought myself a pair of these in white. I also bought a pair of normal laces to replace these speed laces. Was there a reason Rapha didn't go with conventional laces? Not sure what benefit you really get from speed laces.
You should try Suplest.. they come with OEM Solestar insoles. Possibly the best insole for cycling IMO.
Oh.. and they put carbon over the foot to spread out the pressure from the BOA wires.
This video sounds like an ad :) complete with a clickbait title
Do these fit true to size? The rapha website says to 1/2 size up…
Why waisting your and our time for something is not worth buying?
Do they still have that annoying slipping of the tongue?
What insole do you use?
Not worth 400. I'll give you 220.
Imagine thinking this shoe looks nice
Am I smelling BS? BOUGHT!
Fabric, white, just no
400 dollars? Not a gd chance.
Awesome, thanks for this shoe as a contender for another option :)
Great review! 5:23 oh no, your socks didn't line up.
Didn't you and Jessie literally just rag on youtubers who are sponsored (or close enough) by companies giving positive reviews?
It’s funny you think that this was overly positive, given my take away was “this does not solve the issues that currently exist with laced shoes”. 🤷🏻. All the other information I provided in the video was objective (size, weight, design process). You could argue I was positive about the “looks” of the product, but I stand by that comment … I think they do look good.
Your comment really backs up my thoughts on why I don’t bother doing reviews. This was just my opinion on the shoes, yet you feel angered enough by the video to tell me it was “too positive”.
Too complicated. Pass.
Is that a Mosaic????? Whoaaa Chris rides metal bikes 😮😮😮😮
Which Bike Does Better on Real World Climbs? FACTOR Ostro Vam vs TITANIUM Bike Test Results
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Great content as ever & nice GS GMT too. 😉👏🏼✌🏼
A $1 lace system, by removing the tried and tested $40 lace system... Yet they still $400. Nice way to BS your way to better margin Rapha. Hard Pass.
You lost me at 400usd
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Great review!! Thanks Chris!
Lol that berm peak intro
Too much drag
Big No No
Is it really as locked down compared to the Boa?
Just try any pair of Salomon running shoes and see for yourself how locked (NOT) it really is, which in the case of running shoes I didn't find to be a problem. Here they have supposedly redesigned the retention system to stay equally tight, but I am sceptical.
First: is any of this sponsored content? Were the shoes free or discounted? More importantly, I have a pair of 3 year old Adidas Terrex shoes with that same toggle and place to tuck the laces near the bottom of the tongue. Nothing new here. I would NOT like that system on my cycling shoes, though. There is always more tension at the top of the shoe than the bottom unless I spend extra attention and pull the bottom laces tight and work my way to the top and *then* pull the toggle tight. TLDR: meh.
Edit: I am nowhere NEAR pro enough to pull of white shoes.
It’s not sponsored. Rapha was the apparel partner of the team I ran for 7 years, so I am friendly with some people working there, who helped me with the information (design process stuff).
@@ChrisMillerCycling Understood. Hopefully you understand the honest nature of my inquiry. So many 'ex' riders/racers become brand ambassadors that their opinions become suspect and often spurious. I don't think any of us mind if a manufacturer heaps loads of goods on you-- as long as you disclose that fact early in the endorsement. Much like the way GCN has become long form adverts for various brands. Been a long time fan of the channel MOSTLY because you were out there turning pedals and had insight the rest of us didn't weren't likely to have and you could relay those experiences with intelligent and humourous commentary. It's when content creators start with the 'let's go tour the factory' and then 'let's check out the place in Girona they bought for me-- but my reviews are honest, really!' that many of us check out.
I might buck the trend here, but I like cycling shoes to look like cycling shoes. I’m not a fan of some recent attempts by brands like adidas to make cycling shoes look like trainers. The boa system looks like a cycling shoe. Laces look like a trainer.
hey @chrismillercycling . do you find these to have the same sliding towards the outside tongue issue as the boa version ? thanks
SO white. I'm such a grub. I'd have these looking grey and grubby before the garage door finished closing... 🙂
if you've ever had salomons you know... the shoes suck but the lacing is awesome
I am stuck on laces and always will be. I have Rapha laced and GIRO laced shoes and love them. And you can buy the speed lace kit online, I have them on all of my shoes not just cycling shoes.
Shoes are so personal I tried so many and can only wear Fizik as for the speed lace systems.. it’s not for me.
The burning question is though - how much time will they save you around Centennial Park? 😂
Probably need to be a member, then when u become a member, they are sold out. Rapha Jokes.
Yup first thing I thought of was all my Salomons lol love the idea. Great happy medium between laces and boa in theory anyways
TDM™️ (Timed Departure Metric) is a trademark of Chris Miller Inc. ⚠️
Shimano have been using 'speed laces' on their MTB shoes for a while. Their solution to a trailing end is a big old flap secured by velcro which also helps keep mud/water out and could be seen as a bit aero... I like speed laces but I think I prefer a boa or plain old velcro straps on a road or gravel shoe TBH
The shoes are nice but whos looking at the shoes when the man has calfs like that 🦵😅 RESPECT chris 🙌
I love my white Rapha shoes, but can’t keep them clean. I’ll try the nappy scan on them.
I quite like the Grio Prolight Techlace system for the best of lace comfort and velcro speed. Unfortunately, there's a bunch of other issue with those shoes, and they've been discontinued, but I'd like to see them persist with that closure system.
If you cannot tighten or loosen during a ride with one hand, it might be a problem. What happens if the strap gets loose and gets stuck in the chain ring?
I have bad thoughts of longevity in my head but the style looks cool, I'd love to see a 90 day update before I spout off though@!
Great review.
The Shimano MW5 also have a speed lace system although it's a completely different type of shoe.
There is nothing better than lock the boa system a bit more before sprinting
Forget about the shoes what is that titanium frame called
We need a #fashionfriday segment/videos again ! 🎉🎉🎉
"Timed--departure--metrics!" 😂😂😂
Looking forward to receiving them! ;D
Thank you for the review. How do you think the lace eyelets will hold up? Any likelihood of the laces wearing through them with use?
I have this same system in my fizik artica x5s
Having worn the Salomon trail running shoes for years I can't see this being a good solution for cycling. More overmarketed, new for the sake of new BS from wankateering specialists. Boa dials are the superior closure system end of. The only reason for laces is if you have a really weird shaped foot and need to take pressure off certain areas.
Which is precisely what he is saying in his video.
Congratulations on passing 40K subs man
What bike you riding at the start?
5.25 No Chris, the socks!!!!!
1:40 is that a Grand Seiko? 🥰🥰