Double Barrel Shotguns
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- Welcome to Ron Spomer Outdoors! In this video, I discuss double-barrel shotguns and highlight an L.C. Smith 12 Gauge trap-grade shotgun from 1904.
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Chapters
00:00 - Intro
00:46 - Use, History, Design, and Features
02:58 - L.C. Smith 12 Gauge Shotgun From 1904
10:49 - L.C. Smith 12 Gauge Shotgun Construction and Features
14:11 - Over Under Shotguns
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For 44 years I’ve had the good fortune to photograph and write about my passion - the outdoor life. Wild creatures and wild places have always stirred me - from the first flushing pheasant that frightened me out of my socks in grandpa’s cornfield to the last whitetail that dismissed me with a wag of its tail. In my attempts to connect with this natural wonder, to become an integral part of our ecosystem and capture a bit of its mystery, I’ve photographed, hiked, hunted, birded, and fished across much of this planet. I've seen the beauty that everyone should see, survived adventures that everyone should experience. I may not have climbed the highest mountains, canoed the wildest rivers, caught the largest fish or shot the biggest bucks, but I’ve tried. Perhaps you have, too. And that’s the essential thing. Being out there, an active participant in our outdoor world.
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Right... Joe just started a gunfight by opening fire first and is now standing on his deck, in plain view, with an empty gun. Pure genius.
Remember who you're talking about 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅
FJB 🇮🇲
No. Not Joe. Jill.
Biden isn’t selling $60 bibles with 88 felonies in front of him
Gonna be another long 4 years for somebody
Upon discharge Jill became a multiple felon
Joe blow and baby Hunter are basically a felon and all is fine and good. If it was us we’d be locked up!!
That intro was the best I have ever seen.😂
"C'mon man!....You know, the thing!"
"gimme a break (action) jack!"
Pew-it-da-dash-under-da-pressure. (Yeah man it's not a joke)
My bussbenwhet!!
If 2 blasts from a shotgun works, then surely 30 blasts from an ar15 works even better
"fire two blasts" leaving you with no shotshells loaded and probably breaking the law depending on the region you live in, good ol' Joey B
😂😂😂😂😂😂❤
And if you fire defensive buckshot in the air, who knows where they will land. The Secret Service might have something to say about firing a shotgun while they are working the perimeter of the property.
Mr.Spomer joined the Kentucky/Demolition histrionic co....oh,no!
What if your balcony is on the wrong side of your house? Will you still get arrested for discharging a firearm within city limits?
How'd this douche become president ? But then Bush used one on Cheney so who am I to say .
I haven't even got past the first 30 seconds and I'm laughing my butt off! 🤣
Yes but in a very say way
FJB 🇮🇲
I love double barrel shotguns
Me too
Many side by sides are pure works of art
FJB 🇮🇲
I have one in every shotgun Guage except 28. I started out with one, I love them. I wouldn't want one in a firefight against an experienced opponent.
@mikespencer9409 the one on my mantle is beautiful
Great Ron. Hearing a gentleman’s conversation about this is our best asset.
Ron, what a great intro. Still laughing.
I have had a 12 ga. Coach gun for decades. brutally efficient.
That "incantation of malefactor banishment" had me rolling!
Looking for that side plate for 4 days is remarkable determination!!
I would have done it. Dad's gun.
Didn’t he say a minute before it never failed?
I was raised to use a "Continental" (that's the make) double-barrelled 12g shotgun from 7yrs old. One barrel was cylinder, the other full-choke. It was a cheap, solid, workman-like shotgun. But amazingly it had a monte-carlo cheek-piece, selective ejectors, and each barrel had it's own cocking indicator immediately behind the breech on each side of the action. I used to hunt wild boar at night with it, and stalking along it was satisfying to know just by touch which barrel I had left!! If you ever find a Continental DB shotgun - BUY IT!! You won't be disappointed!! 👍
Love this. My grandfather had an A.H.FOX 16ga. The first shotgun I ever hunted with. I was supposed to get it on his passing. But I was out of state and "no one" has any idea what happened to it. I do wish I had that gun. Thank you for this episode and for the memories it brought back to me.
Oh, that 16 was made in 1904
Sorry for both of your losses. That Fox was worth thousands. Some people put it in the same class as Parker.
Grandpa passed in the 70's. I was in the army and not home. He was born in 1900 and he was the sole owner. Ki miss them both, but I miss my grandpa most. Still looking for and hope to find one before I'm the age he was at his passing. At 69 I don't have but a few years to make that goal.
@@user-hd4ov6fs2yWorth thousands but likely priceless to the commenter. Very saddening :(
Best intro yet 😂🤣😂🤣
Your best intro ever! Wonderful story of an old double. But the side by side 20 gauge you opened this video with was also a beautiful gun.
Ron, I love that you are doing a video on shotguns. I enjoy your rifle and ammo reviews; however, I would like to see a few more shotgun videos. Thanks. Really enjoyed all your videos. You are one of the foremost experts on YT.
I've always had a thing for a side by side with double triggers. It worked just fine back then and pretty sure it still works the same today.
Fire two blasts at nothing? Now you just have a fancy club.
Not to mention, some pistoff neighbors
Be gone bad men be gone 😂
Ron I'm 61 years old and have my grandfather's El. C Smith field grade. I've shot thousands off ducks Geese doves And quail, probably as many rabbits as that period 3 years ago. I took it and had it restored because it was looking a little bleak. Although it's still was rock solid, it just needed a little love with the finish. The shotgun is amazing.
They don't make things like they used to. It doesn't seem like it will ever wear out period my son now shoots it and he told me that. It's the best shooting shotgun. He is ever had. Thanks for all of your work on your show. Ted.
The old guns are where it’s at! Where quality was the main thing! I am a 60+ year gun collector and having owned hundreds of rifles I have found you can never do your self a better favor then getting an good old rifle and start making memories with your friends and family!
Ron that is the best opener yet!!! I especially like the cavalier- "Begone bad men! Begone!"
Ron, this intro is GOLD
Well played sir
While admiring the beautiful, rich finish on the wood I wanted to inquire if the recoil pad was original, factory installed; or aftermarket. Secondly, how does that affect value?
Nice to hear anecdotes about its 'reach' thereby allowing the mindset that one doesn't always need to go to the extreme with 3" and 3 1/2" Magnum shells.
With this being a family heirloom, that's the best provenance one could ask for.
"Ron, thanks for the informative, relaxing visit -- so natural it's like the viewers are 'a fly on the wall.' And not delegating doubles to the trash heap."
Most collectors (such as myself) who are intending to use the gun are normal only put off if the recoil pad is poorly done; for example the pad hangs over the edge of the stock or the pad looks to modern. The reason is pretty simple the chances that the person who owned the gun before you is the same size as you is slim at best and the recoil pad is the cheapest way to fit that gun to your body so more often than not you are going to replace the pad with one that makes you comfortable. If you keep that in mind when attending an auction and you find one with a poorly done ,damaged or even missing recoil pad that will be one to watch you may get a bargain, provide the rest of the gun is in satisfactory condition. Some collectors will pass on a gun that has been tinkered with in any period. I myself would avoid any stock changes that are of a more permanent change, sometimes folks will increase or decrease the length of pull by gluing wooden spacers or worse cutting wood off to make it fit a smaller shooter. I stay away from those unless I find one that fits my wife, she is very short, then I don't have to commit a mortal sin by cutting down a perfectly good stock to fit her petite frame
Lmao 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 love the intro... Ron love your show and awesome interview with great guests. Watching from Northeastern Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
Great show Ron! I have quite a few sxs's. Remingtons, Ithica's, Warners, Davis's, Elsie's and Parkers. I think I even have a Crescent. I love the sxs's I even have a Wesley Richards made 1879 serial number 301. The younger generations expect a over and under gun to do their shooting. I am a firm believer that the shooter is who does the skilled shooting! Not the gun, reason being is the character of a sxs. Especially with different chokes to cater to bird shooting. Yes I have same choke doubles and a multitude of different chokes from full and mod. To open cylinder and improved to just about every combo. Its a pleasure to bring out a black powder sxs to a skeet shoot and put the kids with over and unders in their place! The younger generation look at shooting in a completely different way. They think the gun does the shooting rather than the man or woman who pulls the trigger.
R.S. --> Very good video! Love Double barrel shotguns, especially side-by-sides, with double triggers. My Stevens Model 311 is/was a budget minded alternative to the L.C. Smith, Parker or Winchester. My first Double barrel was a Beretta BL-2, no vent rib Over-Under. Single trigger - selective for the over or under barrel / and safety. I did not like that at all. Sometimes the upper barrel would fire when I wanted the lower barrel to fire.
I much prefer double triggers that way you can shoot further away with the Full-choke barrel and closer-in with the Modified choke barrel (or Improved cylinder choke). You can use a different size shot cartridge in either barrel, which is nice if you are hunting in an area with pheasants and with quail or doves. As for home defense? Why not? Very few moving parts on a break-action shotgun, unlike a slide action or a semi-auto to jam.
Another benefit to break-action shotguns is that you can buy adaptors (such as Chazel) that fit in a 12-gauge break-action shotgun and allow you to chamber/shoot .22 rimfire cartridges up to .45-70 Govt. cartridges, and smaller shotshell ammo also.
Break-action shotguns are easy to clean, unlike some slide-actions and semi-auto shotguns.
P.S. Glad you sat down with the retired hunting guide from the Diamond Knives company, and not Blithering Biden. 🙃
Still love my old Steven's 311 20g. Christmas. New, but my Dad had refinished and shaped the stock and forearm. Added a silver engraved nameplate on it, too. Love it!
When I think about double barrel shotguns, I think about my grandfather’s Winchester Model 24. I think his was made towards the end of production
Be gone bad men ,be gone 😂
Really like this format Ron. Thanks for sharing a beautiful old classic . Ontario Canada .
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Got my LC Smith from my dad. Built in 1918 12 gauge field grade. He took a lot of pheasants with that shotgun. Still have it. Think it takes a 2 1/2 inch shells. Will never get rid of it, will go to my son.
Great video! I love old guns. I have a Remington Whitmore coach gun from around 1880.
@Ron The Lockpiece in the Top Middle is a Greener Lock, for Over and Under there are also Double Greener Locks left and right on the Top Barrel they are the strongest Action you can think off (often used from Suhler Manufacturers in Germany) the bottom part is simply called Barrelhook Greetings from Germany (we had to know the Names of these Things for our Exam for the Hunting Lisence .... und much more 😂)
Thanks Lenz!
Love Double Barrels & some of the old Steven's 24 22 LR 410 22LR 20Ga.
I bought my son a a 22/410 over and under when he was 5, I cut the stock down for him, later bought him 20 gauge pump but the stock off of my first shot gun (20 gauge single shot) had the same stock, swapped it out and still use it almost 40 years later and it was used when I bought it and still works like new. My dad liked it so much that he bought himself a 30/30 20 gauge over and under for use on the ranch during deer and grouse season, he got a few deer and a few grouse with it
What a great story (stories) about this firearm. They are great shotguns. Anyone who owned one loved them. Here's a bit of trivia. L.C. Smith is Lyman Cornelius Smith. I'd love to own one. Great hunting shotguns.
My Dad had 2 L.C. Smiths 1 was from the 1800s (Damascus barrel with hammers) the other one was 12 gauge hammer less, with a Damascus finish we think, made in the early 1900s. Both 12 gauge, we never shot the older one but he and I used the so called newer one all of the time, until the stock cracked right were you said that they did. Dad's been gone for years now but I ended up with them. Loved the story about L.C. Smith
Look down the barrels and it's easy to tell if there Damascus or fluid steel barrels. Damascus barrels will have a spiral weld seam that is visible.
Epic intro Ron!!! love it!
Gorgeous shotgun!
Hey Ron.....great video on a great gun. My 1st 12 gauge was a stevens model 311 double barrel I got when I was 12 years old back in 1967. That gun has taken squirrel, rabbit, game birds, waterfowl and deer....well all we have here in north west Florida...lol I love that old gun, and back in the day I always carried left barrel (full choke) buck shot and right barrel (modified) bird shot, that way I was ready for any game I managed to jump. Now if I was seriously hunting deer both were loaded with buck shot or if small game loaded with small shot. When it's my turn to leave this old world it'll go to my grandson.
A friend of mine's son inherited an old fox double barrel that wouldn't fire and wanted me to check it out. That old gun had been well used till it stopped working. I looked it over and that cocking mechanism in the forearm had worked lose...took a screwdriver and less than 5 minutes with a little adjustment, had it working like a new one again. He was a happy young man. Not much that can go wrong with those old double barrels.
There is just something about old side by sides and always has been for me. My dad always loved them and i had a strong like that has became a love now that i'm a bit older. I don't use a 22 as much for small game anymore because i shake more and my eyes have degraded so most of the time if i'm out for small game you will see me with an old sxs. I feel like that 2nd shot means a whole lot over a single shot but they are still going to be more reliable than semi autos or even a pump gun. Not to mention some of them are just a work of art in my mind. Thanks for the share Ron!
Thank you Ron.
Great episode. Love side by side shotguns. I have a Winchester sxs built in 1942. Feels like a tank, but love it.
The only time I ever heard the sound of Joe's voice and had a good time. If only a couple shots in the air could ward off influence peddling... Anyway, fantastic example with a special heritage. Nicely done, as always.
Fantastic video Ron! Keep em coming!
I love this video. I have a field grade 12ga made in 1926 that looks awesome, except for the toe being chipped off. It was like that in 1964 when my dad bought it. Thanks for sharing this with us.
I have a fairly pristine 1898 Worcester double. Damascus barrels and boy what a joy it is. Only down side is you have to shoot a fairly handicapped load to be safe.
Thanks for the Memories:
I inherited a "Baker-Standard" double 12 ga. with 32" barrels choked full/full. According to my great uncle's family who gave it to me, it was built in the early 1920's. It shoulders like a dream and still locks up tight. It has double triggers, which required a bit of practice to get used to. I haven't run any modern steel/bismuth/tungsten shot rounds through the old girl, taking her out for a few late season upland hunts. Great to have those side-by-side barrels for setting up a shot. However, it takes a bit of practice to swing those long barrels accurately!
My grandfather left me an LC Smith double barrel shotgun when he passed away it's actually beautiful, who's also the first shotgun that ever shot
Great story about finding the missing part of his father's gun. What a save. What determination.
Awesome video Ron!
CLASSIC!
At one time, I owned an SKB 280E, 12gauge, 26in. barrels choked IC and MOD, English straight grip, and with scroll engraving on the receiver and barrel breeches. It was lightweight, and a joy to carry, but it kicked like a mule with anything but light loads.
Ron your best man im a fellow Canadian new hunter and firearme owner and i find your videos very educational i admire how humble you are even when people are giveing you a hard time the info you give on your videos and the information that you relay to us all is oustanding and monumental just wanna say thanks bud kindest regards.. Rob foyster
Many thanks Rob. Appreciate your support.
I own my dad's soviet IZh-58. He got lots of fowl with it and took some larger game as well, but later he switched to a Benelli semiauto.
With one half choke and full choke it delivers a hell of a medicine to birds and it's pretty accurate with slugs.
I'm lucky enough to own two of these fine American pieces, a LC Smith in 16 gauge, 26" barrels, IC/IC made in 1894 and a LC Smith 12 gauge rabbit eared 32" full/full made in 1910. Both are well used guns and they both get used quite often as my go to shotguns. They were built to be used and that's just exactly what I do with them. The stories they could tell would be amazing!
I bought a Stevens 16 ga. double barrel side by side back in the mid 60's from my brother. He bought a 12 ga. Fox side by side. He's been trying to buy back my 16 ever since. I've added to my collection a 20 and 12 ga. Stevens. I don't shoot much any more. I'm in my 70's and just don't hunt. Great video and it brings back memories.
Id of looked for that side plate til eternity. ! Nothing but respect sir.
Two shotgun blasts out the porch, it's like trying to scare the evil spirits.
I recently got a 1923 Lefever Nitro Special 12 gauge. It still works and I got two rabbits with it last year. The finish on it is pretty much totally warn out, and I kinda want to just keep it like that since it looks cool.
I have been useing a parker sxs for years. Single trigger, mod/full choke ,2.75 chamber
Made in 1017. My favorite go to hunting firearm
Finding that side plate in the marsh was something! Great intro!
My grandfather had a fox shotgun.. my Dad told me.. I never saw it, I was very small when he passed away and I think one of my uncles received the shotgun. They have all passed now and are missed. Great video.
Best intro ever!
4 days in the marsh with a metal detector. Crazy!
So fortunate to have found it!
A leg holstered double barrel in 10 gauge is a fabulous fall back secondary weapon.
Its faster than reloading 🤭
Excellent video thanks.
Thanks Ron, Quite the introduction.
That's a beautiful shotgun you got there Mr Ron.
Yes, I have LC Smith. I've had one for years. It is a 16 gauge.
It is an ideal grade
That 20ga. in the beginning of the video is beautiful.
I owned one just like that one but the stock broke right where you had pointed it out. Sadly, I had to sell it and the guy who bought was a wood craftsman, The part that broke was intricately carved for all the trigger parts I killed a lot of Pheasants, Ducks, and Geese with that old gun. I still miss it today.
Man, that's a beautiful shotgun!
I love the old shotguns O/U and Side by Sides. All I duck hunt with.
Very nice shot gun I used to have one when I lived in Mexico 16 gage
Good on you Ron!!!
Your sxs at the beginning of the show with the nice wood grain is pretty sweet as well.
I do believe that was the best intro to any thing not just I video
The best thing about old guns are the stories that go with them. I hope that someday my grandkids will be leaning on a truck bed after a hunt talking about the guns that I handed down to them that were from my grandpa.
Love my two 12 gauge "Coach" guns, they aren't the Greeners John Wayne wanted in Big Jake but they are just like em.
Great history
Nice aI have an old LC smith double barrel shotgun that was my grandpas
Awesome video with epic intro
Brilliant video as usual Ron! What's your opinion on Drilling/Combination guns? Have you ever considered making a video on them? They seem so versatile to me and I'm considering purchasing one.
Really enjoy your content Ron. You extraordinarily well versed in “skinny barrels”. We need to get you up to speed on those there “scatter guns”. Some things that weren’t perfect. But, hey still enjoyed it.
Just popped on my screen and I started laughing!! Now I'll watch the video... 😅
What a beautiful shotgun! 👍
Holy chit great intro
I'll stick with Remington 870 thanks
I love the old shotguns and rifles. I just can’t afford them while we are raising four kids and building our family farm. So I got as close as I could with a Henry single shot 20ga. I turkey hunt in North Idaho every year with it. It is fantastic for as cheap as it is (around $300 pre covid). I deer hunt with a Henry single shot in 243 with an old weaver k4 scope I’ve had since I was a kid. That thing is a tack driver at 100yds.
My coolest old gun is a pre 64 in 32 special. 70 years old! A true masterpiece in comparison to todays firearms.
amazing
What model is the 20 gauge side by side you are holding in the video?
Loved B J and the Bear. An AR15 against Three Shotguns.
Hey Ron spomer I've been watching your videos for couple of months and your cartridge talks help convince me to get a cva cascade 30-06 I live in California so lead free ammo state I'm curious what your recommendations are and advice
Cresent arms made a side lock. I have on in 16ga with 2 1/2 Inch chamders
My cousin got my grandpa's LeFeever 12 gauge and it had a 2 and a half inch chambers
I grew up shooting pump shotguns. When I was 15 my father got me a 1st year production Remington 870 "Special Purpose". Then, always liking old guns I started shooting Winchester 1897's, Model 12's, Ithaca Model 37's, and even Stevens 520 and 620's.
But about 10 years ago I was shooting skeet at my local club and all the "old timers" (I'm the youngest in our Thursday afternoon skeet group, but far from young!) were shooting their SxS shotguns and not hitting well at all. They kept saying "you can't shoot skeet with a SxS. Well, tell me I can't do something and I'm going to try it. The following week I was shooting my 12ga Stoeger Coach Gun that I cut back even more to 18¼" and installed a large brass bead. I have to admit to missing one bird that day shooting modern skeet but I didn't think it was that bad! I've been shooting that Stoeger, an old 12ga Savage 311 also cut back to 18¼", or a chopped down 20ga Sears (store branded Savage 311), ever since. I even hump pheasants with my 12ga Pedersoli percussion SxS. I use my doubles for just about everything now.
A dear friend of mine inherited an LC Smith double field grade from his father-in-law that was a similar vintage as Charles'. It was in pretty fair shape for 100 plus year old shotgun, not a collector, but a nice sentimental piece of family history. The only mechanical problem with it was an inoperable safety. When we took it apart, we discovered Bubba had already been in there trying remedy the problem, having crudely welded the underside of the safety slide button and actually installed the safety push rod backwards after modifying it to fit. We, of course, didn't have the luxury of a repair manual or pictures so we had to wait until we received the two used parts we were lucky enough to find on ebay to figure out how the safety was really supposed to work. We got that figured out, so the hard part is done, right? Well, let me tell you something about an LC Smith double .... they come apart a hell of a lot easier than they go back together. You see, the shaft of the top lever is riding on a huge main spring that pushes it out of line when it comes apart. When it goes back together that shaft has to line back up with pressure on the spring which would be easy if you could fit a 12 ton jack in there somehow. Suffice it to say, there's not room for your pinky finger in there, let alone something strong enough to compress that spring, all while holding the receiver, the bottom plate and the stock in place while doing so. Oh, and don't let the little bits and loose parts fall out that are only held captive after it's fully assembled. After hours anguish and then more hours of internet research, we finally found a forum on which an experienced gunsmith was kind enough to document a solution that involved building a jig to press against the top lever shaft after you drilled a small hole in the web of the stock in order to reach it. It was a couple of weeks and a little pain and a lot of misery but we finally won. A fully functional shotgun to hang above my friend's fireplace. LC Smiths are good guns, hell for stout and a nice piece of history but I'd like to have a few words with the sadistic S.O.B. that designed them. Maybe I'll run into him in the afterlife .... I'm sure I'll end up in the same place he is.
You had me laughing out loud with that intro. 😂
I just found your channel.
It's pretty cool.