THIS IS NOT YET UPDATED FOR 10.1.5. FOR NEW TALENTS CLICK HERE: www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/mage/fire/talent-builds-pve-dps ANNNNDDD its nerfed. This means we likely just play AF for everything unless its huge AoE. Ignite damage reduced by 6% - www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/class-tuning-incoming-with-embers-of-neltharion-patch-1577047 Improved combustion also buffed (RIP Tempered Flame): www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-10-1-ptr-class-tuning-hotfixes-mage-changes-332553 Also the tier stats have been changed as well. This is why I always hold off on making guides until the last second.
Good God, man. From rolling ignites being nerfed ("corrected?") back in original Naxx days to the rework when they totally screwed it up and replaced it with Flamestrike...how about leave it alone? Ugh. Had the most fun with Ignite in BFA with Corruption and the Mechagon wristwraps.
It looks fun as hell and is on target dummies. Then you bring it into a real world scenario and the tanks not pulling enough mobs or you have to do a mechanic, bad patrol, or someone dies, and you lose 2 Pyroclasms and SKB and it takes 2 packs to get going again. Then it feels awful.
@@LividAardvark3911 I am having same issue. Doing 250k on target dummies and 24k in a dungeon. I really dont understand what I am doing wrong. Need a guide on mob to mob in mythic+.
I really like that there are both a basics and then a main rotation section. Its good to go through what each passives does. thank you Mr.Preheat, + props for the intro song
Hey preheat, haven’t seen your vids in a while - since the preheet dramas, was a bit put off in all honestly. ANYWAY.. Wanted to say it’s really impressive seeing the quality of content that you’re releasing! From then to now the difference is staggering, I can safely say your vids these days are incredible. Keep it up dude ☺️❤️
Subscribed because of this amazingly put together guide video. I have never watched a more complete, easy to understand guide than this one. Thank you @Preheat
As someone who is rerolling to mage your guide and this video have been insanely helpful to me since fire mage is pretty complicated. I especially appreciate the section of you doing the rotation and explaining whats going on.
Preheat really puts out such high quality content, he's always responsive in discord channels and on stream as well. This guy really deserves more attention.
Hey man really appreciate the video. Been a big help in learning the changes to fire mage in DF. The graphs, and spell sequences were especially helpful in learning the opener. I Have come back to the video a few times, and you were right about everything becoming much easier from muscle memory. I dont normally leave comments, but i just felt like it this time.
Thx for guide, main fire mage with 700 rio on 2d season and 9\9 hc. It looks like you have 9999+ runs in keys and pulls of bosses, your experience is awesome
I swapped to mage midprogression and had a difficult time really mastering the intricacies of the class. We managed to kill mythic raz this week (really piss poor damage on my end) and I'm looking to make the swap from Frost to Fire in 10.1.. This is just what I needed, hopefully I'll get my "Ah-Ha!" moment soon and contribute much more for my guild. So thank you very much for the detailed video
some insane level of guide video youve put together, especially for someone who wasnt quite sure if fire mage or mage altogether was a good fit for next patch I appreciate it a lot, im def gonna raise one
Thank you for this guide, very well done and easy to understand for someone who is just starting fire mage. I Just subbed and looking forward for your next video.
A guide on mythic plus would be great. I understand the opening for raid boss with double time warp, but from mob to mob in a dungeon, I don't understand what to do. Doing 24k dps on mobs at 417. Just switched to fire two days ago from frost. I have the opening on target dummies, but sandbagging my groups on mobs. The people I watch seem to rarely cast fireball, but my pyro is so slow and not getting many procs. Doing something very wrong.
just started a fire mage alt and this guide looks incredible but its alot, ima save it and hopefully really dive deep into it later. maybe even learn how to play fire mage decently.
I really hope that tempered flames does continue to pull ahead to make SKB more tolerable (only thing stopping me from playing fire) but I also know that sims will almost always favor the full combust instead. I will still keep fire in mind as an alt once the catalyst is available
Awesome guide as always and super appreciate it again for fire. Fireball combustion sounds interesting. The first 60s in combustion is gonna be fun. Would like to have heard about how to use that freezing nova mage class talent spell.
You press it when you have nothing else to press, but you will have something next global. It hits suprisingly hard for a spell like that. Aslo in m+ it can be used to stop some charge/dash abilities (like the little nasty worms in AA...and I think you can stop bleed charges in NO, but I'm not 100% sure on that)
I'm a new player and I got some bad intel way early on. I remember hearing fireball into combustion then prios into SKB rune of power. While doing it wrong this whole time i'd still get good damage, but I'm always so lost outside of bosses. That's usually when I have terrible damage.
I would be forever grateful to know the name of the addon that shows the spell rotation right in the middle of the screen at the start of the video. Does anyone knows ?
Thank you so much for this video, as someone starting out on Fire Mage, it is amazing! Just the right amount of depth. Looking forward to updates on the 10.1 playstyle :)
Really good guide!! Im completely new to fire mage but im having so much fun with it! Im a healer main and this is def not an easy spec but the more i practice and read up on it, the more im getting it! Would you recommend troll for the haste racial...im not doing superhigh keys so hoping i can get away with being a belf😅👌
35 of those button presses are the same two buttons lol. Fire blast, and Pyroblast. The only stuff you need to remember is shifting power, combust priority, and sun kings blessing (
I am new to fire and have a 3 week old toon I'm playing for the first time. I am struggling to hit 45k dps overall on sbg +16s at ilvl 404... and usually getting out dps'd by tank... when I look at details I'm casting over 400 pyroblasts a run but the numbers aren't adding up. Is this average damage at 404 ilvl 45kdps or am I missing something? I also don't understand why ppl take double lust over the other talent which gives free combust all the time and the talent that makes Phoenix flames 100% crit... without the 100% crit I can barely get any procs in m+... please help would love some coaching if anyone could... and I can even pay for it :)
so pyroclasm always cast in combustion if it doensn't expire before cast it done correct? what about if I have 2 pyroclasm procs and i'm going into an SKB do i just hardcast the 2nd proclasm in skb? or do the mini combustion then hard cast pyroclasm when its finished?
What do you think about using an alacritous alch stone with potion extension embellishment? Seems like it might be omega stronk in M+... You'd have pot for every 4 combusts and pot would cover your skb window too. Thinking I might try this with the cheat death cloak in 10.1
Can anyone explain to me why crit is the worst stat for fire mages? I've played a bit of shadowlands and the rotation looks quite the same yet I don't understand how crit is bad.
Just herd that makes are getting a total rework for 10.1.5 and never played mage really. So just decided to pick up a fire mage and level it slowly. Hard to enjoy early but hope it flows better late on! I am enjoying it really. Just hope it gets better.
Small note about the Mythic boss weekly cache, if you have ever killed a boss (even if you didn't kill it that week) on mythic difficulty that loot will be in the loot pool for the Mythic slots. If anyone is able to show a blue post stating otherwise and prove me wrong I would greatly appreciate it as I am still hunting for my Mythic Icon lol
i do not understand why you are running tempered flames talent over the other option for that slot. before even comparing the pros of each, TF reducing the duration of combustion by 50% seems like such a dealbreaker that id rather leave that talent slot empty if i could just to not have that drawback. What am i missing?
Awesome video. Subscribed! Profi work. One question to FM. Your aim is to stack ignite on highest HP mob. In case you need to interrupt something I am losing focus target and stacking ignite from the beginning. How to manage?
Hey Mate when I use my pyroblast it doesnt always give me a "heating up" in fact it rarely gives me a heating up so I keep doing this: Fireball till heating up -> Fire Blast -> Pyroblast am I doing anything wrong? I can't figure it out what I am missing.
Loving the content man, ty for the hard work. Just wondering your thoughts, do you think mage is going to outclass evoker in M+ at 24 and higher lvls? I'm back and forth between the two and was wondering what others were feeling so far.
Great video as always thanks for that! One question left, whats the correct thing to do in m+ if you cannot build up skb completely with firestarter? Just combust if the target drops below 90%?
I’m not a high key pusher in the slightest, like 14-15’s max so honestly I’m not concerned with min maxing my damage. I personally just will not let go of flame strike, I just keep using untill it’s removed all together 🤣
THIS IS NOT YET UPDATED FOR 10.1.5. FOR NEW TALENTS CLICK HERE: www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/mage/fire/talent-builds-pve-dps
ANNNNDDD its nerfed. This means we likely just play AF for everything unless its huge AoE.
Ignite damage reduced by 6% - www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/class-tuning-incoming-with-embers-of-neltharion-patch-1577047
Improved combustion also buffed (RIP Tempered Flame): www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-10-1-ptr-class-tuning-hotfixes-mage-changes-332553
Also the tier stats have been changed as well.
This is why I always hold off on making guides until the last second.
Coming from warrior I feel like I'm learning rocket science.
Will you do a re-take? :P
What is "AF"
Good God, man. From rolling ignites being nerfed ("corrected?") back in original Naxx days to the rework when they totally screwed it up and replaced it with Flamestrike...how about leave it alone? Ugh. Had the most fun with Ignite in BFA with Corruption and the Mechagon wristwraps.
@@rayzenz4948 Guessing its Alexstrasza's Fury talent (instead of From The Ashes)
Honestly. That intro has me making a mage to play in 10.1. That looked fun as hell
It looks fun as hell and is on target dummies. Then you bring it into a real world scenario and the tanks not pulling enough mobs or you have to do a mechanic, bad patrol, or someone dies, and you lose 2 Pyroclasms and SKB and it takes 2 packs to get going again. Then it feels awful.
@Maximilian just like Warlock then easy swap
@@LividAardvark3911 I am having same issue. Doing 250k on target dummies and 24k in a dungeon. I really dont understand what I am doing wrong. Need a guide on mob to mob in mythic+.
@@xlxdeboxlx3767 lol your 250k is on old target dummies. Probably lvl 60 or some shit.
I really like that there are both a basics and then a main rotation section. Its good to go through what each passives does.
thank you Mr.Preheat, + props for the intro song
Love this new format. Best guide you've done so far. 10/10
I love the fire mage and mage content so much more than evoker :3 keep it up man!
LOVE the guides man, doesnt seem to complicated of a rotation, ive been watching u since shadowlands and your guides made me play mage. KEEP IT UP!
Hey preheat, haven’t seen your vids in a while - since the preheet dramas, was a bit put off in all honestly. ANYWAY.. Wanted to say it’s really impressive seeing the quality of content that you’re releasing! From then to now the difference is staggering, I can safely say your vids these days are incredible. Keep it up dude ☺️❤️
Subscribed because of this amazingly put together guide video. I have never watched a more complete, easy to understand guide than this one. Thank you @Preheat
As someone who is rerolling to mage your guide and this video have been insanely helpful to me since fire mage is pretty complicated.
I especially appreciate the section of you doing the rotation and explaining whats going on.
@@AAKhanivore Guild needs int buff (:
Preheat really puts out such high quality content, he's always responsive in discord channels and on stream as well. This guy really deserves more attention.
"he's always responsive in discord channels and on stream as well" You can always tell the really passionate people from how much they do that.
This brightened my day, thank you.
@@Preheat You might even say it...fired you up....yeah ok I'll leave
Hey man really appreciate the video. Been a big help in learning the changes to fire mage in DF. The graphs, and spell sequences were especially helpful in learning the opener. I Have come back to the video a few times, and you were right about everything becoming much easier from muscle memory. I dont normally leave comments, but i just felt like it this time.
Thx for guide, main fire mage with 700 rio on 2d season and 9\9 hc. It looks like you have 9999+ runs in keys and pulls of bosses, your experience is awesome
I swapped to mage midprogression and had a difficult time really mastering the intricacies of the class. We managed to kill mythic raz this week (really piss poor damage on my end) and I'm looking to make the swap from Frost to Fire in 10.1.. This is just what I needed, hopefully I'll get my "Ah-Ha!" moment soon and contribute much more for my guild. So thank you very much for the detailed video
Same here, swapped frost to fire, but doing dogshit dps in mythics 24kdps overall in my last one....Fire seems so simple, but actually complicated.
I think you’ve made me come back to WoW, always been a fire mage guy and this looks great fun
some insane level of guide video youve put together, especially for someone who wasnt quite sure if fire mage or mage altogether was a good fit for next patch I appreciate it a lot, im def gonna raise one
Still my favorite person in WoW. Thanks for the vids and content.
I just decided to come away from ice mage and found this video. Perfect timing thank you. Definitely subbing to this channel ima need it
Thank you for this guide, very well done and easy to understand for someone who is just starting fire mage. I Just subbed and looking forward for your next video.
Thanks for the guide on Wowhead, found you on my recommended here on yt.
Subbed and liked!
Maybe its the simple devoker gameplay but fire seems so intimidating to learn lmfao dope video thought keep it up king
A guide on mythic plus would be great. I understand the opening for raid boss with double time warp, but from mob to mob in a dungeon, I don't understand what to do. Doing 24k dps on mobs at 417. Just switched to fire two days ago from frost. I have the opening on target dummies, but sandbagging my groups on mobs. The people I watch seem to rarely cast fireball, but my pyro is so slow and not getting many procs. Doing something very wrong.
just started a fire mage alt and this guide looks incredible but its alot, ima save it and hopefully really dive deep into it later. maybe even learn how to play fire mage decently.
Fire does look pretty fun, Thank you for the guide Preheat~
so im about to do my 7th attempt on learning fire. i wont give up
Idk how I've missed this in every other guide. But I didn't realize you have to hardcast pyro to get SKB. Wow ttvm no wonder my dps blows so hard
This helped me out a bunch ty so much
What’s the add on that is used for the character sheet to look like that at 6:09 in the video?
dont play mage but subbing for the quality level of the content
This guy is a gem! Thanks a lot !
So in a m+ scenario do i swap targets to proc firestarter to build up first sunfire stacks or just activate combustion and blast?
Dude you are a legends nice guide bro !!
I really hope that tempered flames does continue to pull ahead to make SKB more tolerable (only thing stopping me from playing fire) but I also know that sims will almost always favor the full combust instead. I will still keep fire in mind as an alt once the catalyst is available
Insane guide. Thanks a lot 👌🏼💯
Awesome guide as always and super appreciate it again for fire. Fireball combustion sounds interesting. The first 60s in combustion is gonna be fun. Would like to have heard about how to use that freezing nova mage class talent spell.
You press it when you have nothing else to press, but you will have something next global. It hits suprisingly hard for a spell like that. Aslo in m+ it can be used to stop some charge/dash abilities (like the little nasty worms in AA...and I think you can stop bleed charges in NO, but I'm not 100% sure on that)
You had me with the song :D
I'm a new player and I got some bad intel way early on. I remember hearing fireball into combustion then prios into SKB rune of power. While doing it wrong this whole time i'd still get good damage, but I'm always so lost outside of bosses. That's usually when I have terrible damage.
I would be forever grateful to know the name of the addon that shows the spell rotation right in the middle of the screen at the start of the video. Does anyone knows ?
Thank you so much for this video, as someone starting out on Fire Mage, it is amazing! Just the right amount of depth. Looking forward to updates on the 10.1 playstyle :)
Really good guide!! Im completely new to fire mage but im having so much fun with it! Im a healer main and this is def not an easy spec but the more i practice and read up on it, the more im getting it! Would you recommend troll for the haste racial...im not doing superhigh keys so hoping i can get away with being a belf😅👌
Generally you should be holding pyro stacks to use with SKB unless you’re on two stacks as well
"oh neat, I might try fire mage, I wonder what the rotation is like" 47 button presses in VERY specific order later "o..oh, nevermind"
It's pretty easy tbh, easier than arcane. It's just trying to pyro as much as you can.
35 of those button presses are the same two buttons lol. Fire blast, and Pyroblast. The only stuff you need to remember is shifting power, combust priority, and sun kings blessing (
I promise it's not that complicated once you get the hang of it 😂
And you have to stay in the rune
@Jean Bonnet if you stay within 8 yards of rune you still get the buff
I am new to fire and have a 3 week old toon I'm playing for the first time. I am struggling to hit 45k dps overall on sbg +16s at ilvl 404... and usually getting out dps'd by tank... when I look at details I'm casting over 400 pyroblasts a run but the numbers aren't adding up. Is this average damage at 404 ilvl 45kdps or am I missing something? I also don't understand why ppl take double lust over the other talent which gives free combust all the time and the talent that makes Phoenix flames 100% crit... without the 100% crit I can barely get any procs in m+... please help would love some coaching if anyone could... and I can even pay for it :)
Great vid dude
Noticed that if you have a macro with Shimmer and then ShiftMod = Displacement. It bugs out.
back to back fireblasts in the beginning just to stack the mastery bonus? then maintain/build to 3 stacks before combust?
so pyroclasm always cast in combustion if it doensn't expire before cast it done correct? what about if I have 2 pyroclasm procs and i'm going into an SKB do i just hardcast the 2nd proclasm in skb? or do the mini combustion then hard cast pyroclasm when its finished?
Is it more important not to pull mobs without the tank than it is to not waste a pyroblast proc?
Thanks for being a good mage and EVOKER
Any chance on an indepth pvp build/guide
do you have a reference to the sound/song in the beginning? I know its the pokemon theme but i really like the instrumental version of it
Hey, nice video! What addon do you use for the character info when you were explaining about the stats?
Insane guide wow
What do you think about using an alacritous alch stone with potion extension embellishment? Seems like it might be omega stronk in M+... You'd have pot for every 4 combusts and pot would cover your skb window too.
Thinking I might try this with the cheat death cloak in 10.1
My god this game has changed so much since I played last
Where do i get your pyro and heating up procs WA to show the timers?
Thanks for the video
what combat text addon is that want mine to look the same
Can anyone explain to me why crit is the worst stat for fire mages? I've played a bit of shadowlands and the rotation looks quite the same yet I don't understand how crit is bad.
Fire mage gets crit every time fireball doesn't crit and it gets most of its dmg in it's cd which is already 100% crit
Just herd that makes are getting a total rework for 10.1.5 and never played mage really. So just decided to pick up a fire mage and level it slowly. Hard to enjoy early but hope it flows better late on! I am enjoying it really. Just hope it gets better.
how is the opener without bl? im struggling with that in raid alot. alot of late bls sadly
where is rune of power i cant find it
what is the track playing at the beginning of the video - the name of the remix PLS
What is your character/gear menu addon???
Small note about the Mythic boss weekly cache, if you have ever killed a boss (even if you didn't kill it that week) on mythic difficulty that loot will be in the loot pool for the Mythic slots. If anyone is able to show a blue post stating otherwise and prove me wrong I would greatly appreciate it as I am still hunting for my Mythic Icon lol
Yeah, I mentioned it in the video but basically the tech is you only kill first two until you get your icon
Any tips for when enemy hp starts below 90% or just doesn't stay above 90% for long?
where can i get that hard cast pyro wekaura?
Where did you get the weakar that looks like bigger heating up proks i cant find?
Can this rotation work if lust is not used at the beginning?
Where can I find that song version?
i do not understand why you are running tempered flames talent over the other option for that slot. before even comparing the pros of each, TF reducing the duration of combustion by 50% seems like such a dealbreaker that id rather leave that talent slot empty if i could just to not have that drawback. What am i missing?
Awesome video. Subscribed! Profi work. One question to FM. Your aim is to stack ignite on highest HP mob. In case you need to interrupt something I am losing focus target and stacking ignite from the beginning. How to manage?
Just mouse over macro the kick
So after the new buffs what will change
Are you happy with The New set bonus? It will be more Phoenix flames. But what about from the ashes talent? Thank you 🙂
Can you tell which addon do you use for character's equipped items and stats window?
Bump!
Its called narcissus
amazing guide thank you - can I ask where you get the pyroclasm WA?
whats are this for addons for rotation ?
may i know the name of combustion weakaura ? it's not part of luxthos i think
Here it is: wago.io/XAkb9t0VR
Is whispering incarnate icon really good for fire mage? is it better than ruby whelp shell with haste buff? (in M+ or raid)
Hey Mate when I use my pyroblast it doesnt always give me a "heating up" in fact it rarely gives me a heating up so I keep doing this: Fireball till heating up -> Fire Blast -> Pyroblast am I doing anything wrong? I can't figure it out what I am missing.
having same issue
Do you have any videos on addOns? your setup is awesome.
Loving the content man, ty for the hard work. Just wondering your thoughts, do you think mage is going to outclass evoker in M+ at 24 and higher lvls? I'm back and forth between the two and was wondering what others were feeling so far.
The music is fire
You know the hardest part of this rotation? It is to wait 10 min near the target dummy to reset that damn bouble lust so you can practice some more.
Great video as always thanks for that! One question left, whats the correct thing to do in m+ if you cannot build up skb completely with firestarter? Just combust if the target drops below 90%?
You combus and then use SKB in your combust to extend it.
Great guide thanks a lot. I have a question. Why I cant see my Skb stacks on my screen. I can see only hoy streak bars.
Use this: wago.io/CD42zI3jL
@@Preheat Thank you very much
I want to make a mage now
i hate pyroclasm lol picked up phoenix reborn for the CD reduc in M+ and use firestorm instead of SKB uptime is suprisingly good
Great Vid
So stressful, I'm trying my hardest!
woah what addon is that for your character sheet?
Can't find your pyroclasm WA anywhere in the links, any chance you could send a wago link?
Going to re-roll fire from Arcane. Kinda annoying because I’ll have to get some better gear stats suited to Fire rather than arcane :/
wait thought u played evoker... wheres the other preheat
Great guide! Looks really hard tho :\ Prob just gonna stick with frost like the pleb I am
Hey, do you have a link to your builds?
Is this gonna be the same rotation on aoe?
Could you please share your all ui if possible? Many thanks!
the scrolling at the top of your screen, is that an addon, weakarua, or just for video purposes???
wago.io/cWI3bhMz2 DO NOT RECOMMEND USING IN RAID! It's a memory hog.
I’m not a high key pusher in the slightest, like 14-15’s max so honestly I’m not concerned with min maxing my damage. I personally just will not let go of flame strike, I just keep using untill it’s removed all together 🤣
Is there really anything new for mage in 10.1?