How Should We Use the Wrist?
Вставка
- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- If you want more badminton training content, inspiration and exercises, you can now join Badminton Famly Plus right here: plus.badminton... $ 5.99 / month.
New content every week
📱 Download our e-learning app on your preferred App Store:
iOS App Store: apps.apple.com...
Google Play Store: play.google.co...
A lot of you guys in the Badminton Famly have requested clarification of the wrist movement, so here it is.
Here comes the nerdy stuff:
People are asking how we get power, how can we get more powerful smashes. Actually, we don't want to aim for power when we practice. We want to aim for efficiency and efficient movement and then power will come automatically.
In this case, efficient movement is all about how we can accelerate the racket head relative to the energy usage. So the pronation/supination of the forearm (some call it rotation in the wrist) has a bigger rotation compared to the rotation from extending and flexing the wrist. Also, there are more muscles responsible for pronation/supination of the forearm than extending and flexing the wrist. Therefore, we can either save energy or generate more power depending on what we want in certain situations.
===================================================
Link to all UA-cam videos:
/ badmintonfamly
Want to say a special thanks to our Patreons:
Simon Fisher Denmark, Chad India, Conrad Chan Canada, Rayn Italy
We appreciate any feedback so leave a comment :-)
We will answer them as soon as possible.
Remember to have fun while you practice ;-)
Music: Bensound.com
______________________________________________________________
Badminton, trick, trickshot, trickshots, shot, smash, footwork, badminton rackets, badminton net, badminton grip, badminton, raquets, net, grip, shuttle, shuttlecock, best badminton racket, racket, yonex, badminton deception
Badminton Famly is proudly sponsored by YONEX - Thanks for the support!
Learn more about YONEX at www.yonex.com
The best video till now explaining the most basic thing in badminton
Brilliant explanation for a common misconception.. Keep going guys keep on creating Great videos.. Would welcome more ideas on doubles, since there are no good contents on way to play doubles anywhere to be found..
We will definitely do some more doubles related videos in the future? 🙏
I agree with this comment 100% Doubles is very much lacking. I think the trick shots and stuff are nice I feel good fundamentals around doubles rotation shot selection tactics would be very useful for most players.
What a coincidence mr Chandru
You people corrected my game you guys are amazing I wish you people get more than 1 million subscribers you are amazing really
Thanks, really glad to hear☺️💪🏻
Thank you very much for clearing it up for us.
I believe Im not the only one who’s watched other tutorials that emphasize on using the “wrist”. Gets so confusing when you watch what they are doing compared to what they say.
Yeah, especially coach lee
Great video sir,,,just improved my game too much ,the power is wow.... thanks for correcting the big mistake everyone does in badminton 🔥🔥🔥😃😃😃😃
It's great and not just the video...
Good to see that you show the wrong/incorrect way as well so "we" could compare "our" method and adjust "our" failures if needed...
Thumbs up chaps and many thanks!
AB
This is a great video...actually explaining the hitting motion accurately. The power is generated through pronation or supination, not the flexing of the wrist! Unfortunately, I still constantly see the misconception being taught. Many coaches make the mistake of simply re-teach whatever is out there, even though they themselves clearly don't flex their wrists to generate the power. It's crazy and sad....
Its good to give emphasis on pronation and supination, but pronation is combined flexion and supination is followed by extension. It’s ok for the beginner to learn wrist flexion and extension and then add pronation and supination. This is my opinion.
@@navalakshman5970 I don't think so. Learner should learn the right from the beginning, if you do it wrong from the first time, it is very painful to correct it later. Believe me, I have been playing badminton for 20 years and I did it wrong because of no UA-cam no slow motion at my ages, I saw they playing and it is just to fast to see what exactly they did their strokes but now you have slow motion of professional you know what exactly done with a stroke. And it took me 5 years to completely correct myself from using wrist flexing to do a proper pronation and supination. I am so sad to see many coaches nowadays still teach learner to using wrist flexing while they (coach) actually don't, or worse, coaches are not aware of what exactly they perform a stroke.
Duc Hoang Thanks, so we should teach young players , forehand : to pronate and bring the arm and forearm like one straight log down with shoulder flexion along and side of the body and for backhand: supination and shoulder flexion across the body. I am also learning by listening to the experts and analysing the videos, it’s amazing how many new things I have learned in short period of time. Thanks again for the feedback.
Very well explained and demostrated. I have been playing badminton for the last 15 years. First time I lhave earnt how to use the arm correctly. All thanks to you man. I Will work on it.
Your very welcome 👍🏻
Awesome explaination on this common misconception of generating power! Looking forward to more informative videos to improve our games! Happy 2019 guys and keep the great works coming!
Happy 2019 🙏
Another great video, love watching them then trying them out at training. I’d love to see a video on doubles play but split it so there’s a focus on movement and shots when attacking in doubles at the front of the court.
This is the one I've been looking for, thanks. It's great video.
Thank you so much for this... Actually this is the basic thing to focus on as you described it's really a misconception and yeah it truly is.
The video on the grip movement on penhandle (for backhand) and forhand will be great.. Please make video on it. 🙏
very true nirmit.
We couldn’t ask better than this. Great explanation in description 🙏
Thank you so much for such an informative video. Super 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Thank you: I've been waiting for a clear explanation of wrist use and this video provides it.
+suckers0 then you didn't understand a word of this video. Look up the word forearm
Excellent video. Love the details and camera angles. Really great stuff 🙌🏻
My wrist is in pain and i watched this video now.
Hopefully i can correct the technique as suggested..Great video 👏
This is the video I was looking for to understand the biomechanics. Though I don't play competitive, but technique does matter to stay away from injury.
Grateful very, very much for your sharing, Rasmus. I think that is the most important knowledge in badminton, if do not know about that, no one can play better and well
Today only it's clear to me.From today I will practice it.Thanks
Good to hear 👍🏻💯
Finally i got you!
Great work...
.
. please tell us more about relaxed grip.
There are so many misconceptions regarding that
We will made a detailed video about it. A relaxed grip which it controlled by thumb and index finger and rest is supporting the grip. That is the true grip for optimal and different variation of shots and power. It allows us to adjust our grip in the last second so we can adjust shots with the wrist (not produce power) and tighten the grip to gain power. Our gripping motion with the pinky and ring finger is moved by bigger muscles than the rest of the fingers, so we produce quite a lot of force by squeezing our grip. It also allows us to be relaxed in the whole arm to better move the arm and create fluid movement in relation to the rest of the body 🙏 Rasmus
Another good concise explanation. Panhandle grip with wrist flex in overheads is probably the number one beginner error I would think. 👍👍
Thanks dude I have really corrected my mistake due to this I had servere wrist pain before and now it's better
Great explanation ... .being a player myself i know how much of a difference it make and how much injury you avoid. i appreciate this video a lot . i should do one of such videos for my channel .
This video helped a lot in understanding the racket movements
Thank you a lot! I've always been wondering why most of my backhand weren't that powerful, now I get it! 💪🏻
Your welcome💪🏻 #backhandpower
Thanks team a lot for sharing! Rasmus Tran, why you dont have anh videos recent time. I see you have a lot great technic
Thankyou so much man. Have a great 2019 🍷🏸☯️
Finally....ive been waiting for decades to see this video! Thumbs Up :)
Thank you so much for this video. I had pain in my wrist for a very long time and couldn’t figure out the reason until after I saw this video. ❤️
Thanks Rasmus. That’s where I’ve been going wrong.
Another good video 👍 but we are still waiting for defending video of smash specially on upper body and face. We hope you will post as soon as possible. But nice work keep it up. 👍👍✌❤
We haven't recorded it yet, but will record a lot of videos in two weeks and yours is one of them. Thanks for your patience 🙏 Rasmus
Thank u guys, this is helping 💖 💓
During clear - that phase when elbow is high and racket is behind back pointing down with supinated forearm:
1. grip is so loose like you showed in 0:53 (so end of grip doesnt touch end of palm) and then during forearm pronation you squeeze the grip? Or grip is loose the same during the whole swing?
2. During that phase when forearm is supinated, is the wrist flexed backwards? Because you mentioned that "sometimes we want to preload the wrist"...?
Thank you
Good question.
1. We want to squeeze the grip as we hit the shuttle to get more power. You could also say we need less of a swing with the racket and generate same power to make it harder for the opponent to read the shots.
2. Sometimes it is. This particular video was intended to demonstrate that the wrist movement, from extended position to flexed position, is far inferior to the forearm rotation in terms of power. We preload the wrist in certain shots/situations where we cannot get a full swing with the arm. Let's say we want to attack the net in the forehand with a stretched arm. Then we can preload the wrist and follow up with pronation or end up in neutral wrist position. In the last case the power primarily comes from the fingers we preload the wrist for a bigger swing with the racket. Hoped that clarified it 🙏 Rasmus
Can you suggest any exercise to improve this pronation and supination.
Can you make one video on this?
thanks this is the most difficult technique in badminton, we need to master, and you explain it quite clearly. anyone can master this technique, they will be an advance player, for other technique , not difficult to master .
Thanks for that, glad you like it...💯
pronation and supination is more powerful than flexion and extension movements of the wrist. good tip bro :)
Thanks 💪🏻
Wow that solves a lot on my game. Thankie
How to defense near chest smash, please make video on this topic
We did, its on our channel💯😉
That's very helpful. When you demo pronation at 3:00 , does the direction of the shuttle goes straight or side? I always do the incorrect way as 0:45 because I want to smash in a straight line. Please give me advice on how to apply pronation for a powerful straight smash. Thank you!
did you find out?
Wow. Great explanation. I'm going to train this.
Thanks, good luck....
Its good to give emphasis on pronation and supination, but pronation is combined flexion and supination is followed by extension. It’s ok for the beginner to learn wrist flexion and extension and then add pronation and supination. This is my opinion.
Really good video. U saved my colleague from wrist injury
Superb explanation... Thank you..🙏
Your welcome 😎
Just a tip for video productions. While I don't know what equipment you have I would recommend shooting these at (at least) 60 fps. Perhaps Full hd (1080p at 60fps). This would make the slowmotionss more fluid as you have more frames to show. If possible then even shoot them at 120fps at the cost of quality (for example 120fps at 720p).
Regardless, thanks for the excellent tutorials =)!
Thanks for good feedback! Love it 🙏 I used to record with my phone with 1080p 60 fps but we changed equipment during 20 new videos. We are looking to change back to higher picture frequency and also with 240 fps slow motion footage. Rasmus
Excellent, I think I'm doing it wrong now haha 🙈.. Thanks guys, keep them coming please 😊✌🏼🇪🇬
Nice video. For forehand grip, I put index finger high when I smash, I feel not comfortable. And I saw some pro-player (Lee Yong Dae Korea), do not put index finger high when they smash. They just put index finger high when they kill the net. So the question is "we always put index finger high" or "depend on each case" ?
You only use the index finger when "tapping", instead of swinging. A power smash from baseline should never require your index finger in that position, while a net kill does. You don't have time to pull your racket back and swing it forward when performing a net kill, so you push your racket purely using your wrist and fingers.
I think there is something wrong with your grip. I recommend you check some UA-cam videos to improve your grip. It will feel awkward in the beginning, but if you keep practicing it will only a few months, or even weeks, you will notice improved power and control.
just be careful yiu dont injure yourself.. its a great video.
Very helpful beginners 👍👍
Loved the video great explanation of the correct technique and how the wrist comes into that, but was wondering would the same apply for a forehand drive? I always find i have to flex the wrist to generate power when the shuttle is coming close to my body (or is that finger strength used?)
We can flex the wrist, it is actually called extending the wrist. That is the preloading of the wrist. But as we drive through we pronate instead of bending the wrist which is flexing. Hope that made sense. Rasmus
Thanks sir, nice information
I totally get this now for shots like FH and BH clear... How about for the BH flat drive for example? Is that executed with a slightly bent elbow and supranation of the forearm? Downwards for kill or drive, and upwards for lift?
Yes you are correct, we actually made a video about the flat drive on our channel, go check it out ;-) Thomas
I'm wondering why my wrist hurts while playing badminton, I have switched to a brand new and light weight one, but after 3 days I have realised a thing that even though I'm using most of my energy I'm not able to do good smashes, I first thought it was wrong technique but I now feel that there is something wrong with my racket, does too tight gutting cause this kind of pains? I feel my racket stiff and the gutting too. I have told the shopkeeper to keep 24 lbs max but I doubt it's not as near as 24,i feel it very tight and literally unresponsive and the sweetspot is also very very small area. Kindly advise me. Is the problem due to gutting??
A light racket is usually not suitable for smashing with power, but can also be your technique if you use your wrist too much when smashing. Watch out smash tutorials and our How to use the wrist video as well, this might help you 💯
@@BadmintonFamly thankyou
I think powerful wrist actually is transferring power of forearm to shuttle through the wrist, so the misconception is actually in understanding what it is
Finally... the answer that i've been looking for.
Good to hear👏🏻👏🏻
Great video as always 👍👍
excellent badminton is so technical to a great extent that it takes years to perfect
Easy to understand.. let's try
Thank you for the concise explanation! All this time, I've been using my wrist in the wrong way... 😑
For a recreational player... What's the best drill to get rid of wrong movements of wrist while playing the shots. I can understand the concept but always find myself playing with wrong movement during the game.
To understand my answer we first need to know that we want to change a habit, reprogram our muscle memory. One feeder throws or plays a lot of shuttles and we return them with a specific shot with focus on correct movement. Remember to focus on movement and technique and not power. Next step drill the same focus with footwork so it look more like a rally. Keep doing that 🙏 Rasmus
Excellent videos...can you tell the detail about pronation...from a to z?
It is inward rotation of the arm. The thumb points outwards to inwards. It's is the base of of every forehand swings
I have a question. If the power come to pronation and supination, so when we train to strong grip. We actually train pronation ? If I right, I think the exercise that I know just train pronation right ?
Have you played any tournment.upto what level you have played badminton family
Im former World Champion and World no.1 Thomas Laybourn (Rasmus is in this video) he is okay high level player and coach in Denmark💪🏻
Lovely explanation
GOOD EXPLANATION
I m having bad wrist pain.. I hope this technique is well enough to change it.. Thanks..
It will 🙏
I am addicted with the sound of hitting birdie with racket
Haha yes it sounds amazing🕺
Thank you very much for this!!!
Your very welcome😎
@@BadmintonFamly can you please make a video or direct me to a video for footwork exercises..
We are working on many more videos of footwork💪🏻
Good video. But can you clarify the purpose of pre-loading the wrist, because that gives the impression the wrist is generating power of some kind? why pre-load?
Hi Rob,
I can understand the confusion. The power from extending to flexing the wrist, bending motion towards the palm, can generate less power than the rotation of the forearm due it it's shorter rotation and less muscles to move the wrist. We want to preload the wrist and end up in a neutral position (and the rest in the fingers) or preload and rotate the forearm. We use it in cases where we can't have a full chest elbow swing. In situations where the shuttle is hit from the sides or the net at shoulder height or below we want to preload (extend) the wrist in order to get more rotation. We will go into details when making videos of these shots. Hope that made sense. Rasmus
@@BadmintonFamly Thanks Rasmus , makes some sense. I guess it is done in certain contexts and doesn't really relate with power in the way most players think, just helps with rotation.
the truth is when im yet discover this i oftenly smash my own knee
thank you for the likes
I have an inquiry:
So sometimes I use my wrist to change the direction of the shuttle from its path that I usually play it.
I am wondering is the use of the bevel/ flat side, and changing grips the more proper way to change the direction of the shuttle? Rather than using the wrist? Or is there some wrist involvement with the more fine tune motor skills?
Hi Sean,
We change grip depending on our position relative to the shuttle and use our wrist to adjust to different shots in these situations. What you are doing sounds correct
@@BadmintonFamly Thank you for the reply! That makes a lot of sense and clears up a lot for my future practice 🙏🙏
So lift uses supination to make the shuttle to back court. I use wrist movement to do that,,,,
Thx for the video
That is correct. The muscles involved in the supination of the forearm is way superior than the extension of the wrist. Therefore, more efficient movement
Thank for video👍
It's a very good video, but i would like to give suggestion. How about you divided the correct and incorrect position into two side at our interface, so it makes us easy to know the difference between both of them.
I that is a great idea, thank you 😊
I've been wrong using my wrist for the whole time
Great explanation, but is very diffucult to put into practice. It will give you more power for sure, but in a club situation you will miss the shot and annoy your partner a lot before it works. That's why so few players do it.
Yes things take time to so properly💪🏻 Have paitience and train it with easy shots in the beginning🤘🏻
Thanks coach 😄
Pronation is a really hard for me to truly grasp it. I cant seem to completely shy away from the concept of using my wrist for some power.
My current stroke is pronation and a little bit of wrist flexion as i feel that this small bit of wrist flexion helps me in the accuracy and power.of my stroke.
If i am fully pronating my stroles with no wrist flexion at all, i cant really grasp the feeling of which direction i am putting the shuttle in.
Please advise me coach
You can oof course use you wrist a bit but just really important your arm rotates to add power and precision like we say in the video ☺️
Very informative 😇
Great video guys! Turned out I’ve been doing it wrong. No wonder why my wrist aches after a long game.
A quick question: when you’re performing forehand smash, do you “lock” your wrist so that it won’t flex? I’m trying to learn the right technique, but sometimes my wrist flexes if I don’t “lock” it.
Yes correct you can try locking it a bit BUT only to learn not to bend it. I mean when you Master this the wrist must rotate around together with the forearm, but if you bend it now it could be good in the trainings to “trick” it by locking it 💪🏻
Badminton Famly I see, that makes perfect sense. Thank you very much!
Great video
Thanks 😊
Hi. I often slice the shuttle when smashing as my racket face is not getting down and hitting the sweet spot. So how do i change that..
We will soon cover these type is questions, but you can check out our smash tutorial, I think you can learn a bit from that video ;-)
Se it here: ua-cam.com/video/3P7cqCVoJEg/v-deo.html&lc=Ugw5EYVPSTonaJvGxWJ4AaABAg
What is the product name of your racket ?
Very good video
Best video
Going to buy a string can u recommend some strings for an intermidiate player
Yonex BG65 or 80👍🏻
Very very nice video 😎👍👍
Excellent!
Thanks
Can you do a video about best string for players
We would certainly cover that at some point 🙏
thanks coach....
Could someone please explain to me how to incorporate this forearm rotation in a smash? I am right handed, and when I try to pronate my forearm as the racquet makes contact with the shuttle, my arm will then naturally follow through and end up still on the right side of my body which doesn't feel right?
it does. Just swing it all the down, you'll still smash, but not of course only the swing will generate power. its about weight transfer. gotta need your arms and core and feet to make it work
Hi Billy,
Sounds like you are using the pronation in the forearm. There is nothing wrong with the racket ending up on the same side as your racket. If you so the same and also rotate your upper body (dominant shoulder forward) your racket will end up on the other side. Maybe that feels more correct for you. Rasmus
Nice teaching
Thanks💯
Thank you
One question, why when i did the incorrect method work best for me instead of correct method ?
thanks.
You need to practise this a lot and hoperully in the end your level will improve further than now when you use the “wrong” technique💪🏻
@@BadmintonFamly i see
thanks a lot!
Tips start at these points
1:17 - backhand push
2:14 - forehand push
You are welcome!
use what type of yonex racket ? Pls
Arcsaber 88D from Yonex👍🏻
Actually this video opens a whole can of worms coz there are so many shots which we need to see how this applies, eg side wards flat drive, overhead smash, and WHEN it’s appropriate to use mainly wrist power (eg drop to net from below tape)
We will cover it for every shot 🙏
Thx so much! You are the best
How to counter the lazy and boring ness to train? Because I don't have coach and the one who teached me is your channel famly 😔 I just train myself at home and if I want to go jogging tomorrow then, my lazy will ahh ugh! 😫
I can relate 😊 you need to first know why you don't want to go training. Ask yourself what it is that you would rather do instead of training? When we train we get more endorphins which the brain likes. To make it simple it produces a feeling of euphoria. When you complete a training session we also release dopamine which makes you happy. So now it is a question of habit and ask yourself if you really want to change that habit. If you do start by improving bit by bit. We you don't go training at all, start by training 5 minutes or run 5 minutes. Do it consistently. When you have formed this habit, you will want to train all the time and it's healthy for the body and brain So plan some training session and complete it. Doesn't matter if it's 5 or 60 minutes as long as it more than you already do 🙏 Rasmus
Pleas Make A Video Double Slice Smash
So many badminton coaches don't teach this. Because they aren't high performance coaches