"Love is Evil" | The Philosophy of The Marquis de Sade
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- There are few philosophers in history as notorious as the Marquis de Sade. He is perhaps the most cynical thinker in history. He spurned love, looked down on morality, and was sceptical of anyone who claimed to be good. But despite it all, it is worth listening to his collection of short stories: The Crimes of Love.
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00:00 The Marquis de Sade
01:45 The Dangers of Virtuous Love
06:19 The Corruptions of Love
10:14 The Cruelty of Love Scorned
13:46 Passion, Love, and Scepticism
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the problem here is you can't just test people for their levels of happiness.
the stoics and buddhists never claimed that virtue would shield you from suffering or that you'd have a perfect life by following virtue.
In general you are happier the less selfish you are and you should follow virtue regardless if people kick you for it. You don't have to be naive though
doing something good for someone expecting them to reward you is just a form of manipulation, not true virtue
Don’t know why but I think you should have worn a red cape for this video…dunno 😅 Excellent video as always🌹
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I’ve lived long enough to know that the Marquis De Sade is very much on the right track especially about virtue. Virtue without cunning will get you routed in this life. Where I disagree with him about love is that once you get to the point of harming the one you love so that you can possess them, it’s no longer love. It’s obsession and envy. If you truly loved someone, you’d want them to be happy even if they didn’t love you back.
Ah yes I talk about this a little at the end. Maybe we should start drawing distinctions between different types of love like the Greeks did
Isn't obsession just a kind of love?
Maybe we are all thinking about love in the wrong way, maybe love comes with a bit of possession.
@@DarkCloudGathermaybe love is just a term filled with values that can and will differ from subjectivity to subjectivity. So it's not a matter of thinking about it in a right or wrong way
Love is spiritual in the form that it shows you show to give and be without taking and having. The way your essence and self always tries to keek yourself safe through coping mechanisms and traumas, the way your own essence secures itself. The way your essence doesn't hold yourself accountable for whatever you think about it, even if you ignore your emotions, even if you force your body and mind till it breaks. The love is there where you find your consciousness and self existing to just "give" you instead of get. To exist and be as it is, to love what you are and exist as a whole. Love exists not only as a virtue but also as a quality that exists in its own right, hatred rather shows the need for love itself and the value of love.
The moment one thinks of someone, falls for them and wants to possess them and have them wholly regardless of whatever it's not love, it's desire taking control with the clothing of love.
Obsession and possessiveness aren't bad. They're just not something you should take in the form of "they are love". We are human. We obsess at times because the love is beautiful and for our own biological needs we also want things like possession.
Most of the time it's not "love" we do in the real world. Even in romantic relationships, it's not love, it's love added with some more stuffs added.
My wording is crap and whatsoever but love isn't understood wholly in the right manner. It's rather defamed due to our experiences. Something happens because we loved people, something happened because we loved someone. Thus its taken as bad. When in reality love is there, but the problem is believing not having possession would lead to hate. We lose someone and go insane. Is it because love destroyed us? If there was love it wouldn't ever destroy us. It's an essential existence regardless of the state something is in. One can love morality instead of trusting in one area of it, and never follow it.
Just what I need to cope during Valentine's day
It's an unconventional Valentine's Day Special, admittedly. But do take this one with even more salt than normal
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 I take my philosophy with lithium.
It's what they keep giving me
Someone told me "You cannot choose who you fall in love with." I think it is the scariest notion to exist. To be powerless over your own feelings, in essence is madness. A healthy dose of indifference and doubt is needed, I believe, in any relationship. It was a great video and very fun to watch.
You can indeed choose who you fall in love with, you don't have total control, like you can only choose between 3 varieties of apples at a store, and the 4th one is too cheap, and the 5th one is too expensive, but you can choose, just so long as you accept that you do not have total control over much, you do not choose who your parents are, or where you were born, there is quite alot that you do not choose but within the set of options you can choose.
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That's dumb
Violating someone's consent and then saying you're doing it cuz you love it is very obnoxious and arrogant to me
You can choose...by setting standards
@@goldendiamon That's not love you are talking about. By definition love would never violate consent.
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And that was the start to the '90s sad man real sad
The majority of crime commited are crimes of passion. That is to say, crimes commited in the moment and often enraged and inflamed by love and loss.
It’s a scary thought
Don’t wanna be the “actually“ guy, but “passion” does not necessarily refer to love or lust. It refers to any great emotion. Usually rage.
Legally, a crime of passion is a crime committed in response to provocation, as opposed to a crime that was premeditated. Usually it’s two men fighting, one kills the other in the “ passion“ of the moment. He didn’t plan it. Therefore, it is not considered first-degree murder.
@@MFLimitedmy thoughts as well. 👏🏾
@@MFLimitedthat and the fact that most crimes are premeditated, especially financial crimes and ones based on corruption or done by the powerful
@@MFLimitedI suppose you have to ask where that rage and anger came from. Usually it has to do with someone feeling wronged by another. To be enraged to the point of commiting murder, there's almost always love or pride involved (the latter of which I would consider to be extreme self love). Either that or horrible anger/mental issues.
Love is truly dead, there's more people stealing wedding rings than there are people who're married.
Maybe because the wedding rings are valuable while marriage is a state most people don't repeat, so you can't compare the statistics of both?
There's more people who've eaten a sandwich in the past day than there are people that are hungry.
@@no3ironman11100 based take
@@robinfalk More like just showing his comparison makes no goddamn sense and fails to prove his point. There'd be many more ways to prove it, like rising divorce rates. Under such a video though, I can't help but feel there is a more nihilistic and existentially dreadfull part in it, this guy chosing to be negative and giving up instead of trying to impose a better future on his life.
@@no3ironman11100 I think a better example is explaining that phenomenon of single men wearing wedding rings to get women to talk to them.
@@dontburstmybubble686 Damn that is a much better example.
I cannot begin to explain the depths to which your videos have helped me. For many a year I have allowed my own internal dialogue to dictate my actions and, as spoken about in this video, allowed rejection by those I felt in love with to turn me into a bitter and jaded person.
Hearing you discuss the works of Sade, Kafka, Nietzsche and the Stoics has opened my mind massively. You make me feel wiser and I always come away from your videos with an incredible level of enlightenment.
Thank you, Joe.
Thank you! I’m really glad you are finding the videos helpful
the system/courts being against Men, abortion and birth control, and social media allowing instant connections with anyone and the easier monetization of degenerate behavior without having to step outside one's room.
Some of these also reminds me of the movie Megamind where one of the characters is an archetype of a “loser nice guy” who is given all of the strength and powers he could ever want by Megamind in the hopes that he would attract the girl he likes, he still gets rejected and lashes out thus Megamind has to stop him, and clean up the mess he made.
Can't buy desire You can only foster it Yeah that came out the wrong way.
That movie is unironically quite deep for a children's flick
the system/courts being against Men, abortion and birth control, and social media allowing instant connections with anyone and the easier monetization of degenerate behavior without having to step outside one's room.
He isn't entirely wrong. I like coming across writing like his. It's not just shock value, it has a valid point. Anyone who's experienced love can attest to that. I think love should be the name given to emotions as a whole. Think of it like a pie chart, love is the whole, the fuzzy warm bit is just a slice.
Yeah, I think we do (I suppose, unsurprisingly) romanticize love a lot
de Sade’s book was the only one i actually burned cause i didn’t think it deserved to see the light of day. i can’t remember the name of it but within the first 24 pages, it forever scarred me with the most abhorrent details about child exploitation and CSA and the memories are unfortunately locked in my brain. i have no idea why anyone in their right mind would want to read that. it was the most repulsive thing i’ve ever laid eyes on. if i were to ban a book, that one would have probably been it.
He did warn that the man is the reason for the word sadistic... I was wondering why but that makes sense. We must stare into the abyss unflinchingly as it doesn't just stare back, it comes into reality making our worst nightmares more real than we could ever imagine. There is a monster within us all, no emotion brings it out as "love" does. That's what's truly terrifying, the distorted image of what people believe it to be.
@@copykatninja what does that even mean, is this a bot reply?
@@SummerThymeMadness I'm not going to dumb it down for you to understand, just watch the video... it's in the beginning where he talks about De Sade and his name giving the word sadistic meaning.
Ugh nevermind... Why I don't bother posting much anymore
@@copykatninja oh but *please* by all means *do* dumb it down for the rest of us uneducated scum! gods, how could i *ever* have even dared question your undeniable intelligent and expertise in all things morally abhorrent! i have no doubt you are single-handedly the wisest, more sophisticated scholar on the topic of sadism and abuse towards children, *especially* CSA! please, provide us with your insights as to how kidnapping and CSA of children is a valuable insight into the psychology of man, i am all ears!
🟣 The disclaimer given here to " take this with a grain of salt " is wise.
Sade's work is poison by design and he is a dangerous siren's song which can wreck many a ship if the captains of those ships are not strong minded enough to see the danger.
When one reads him they are treated to a master class of self destruction disguised in pretty prose. Sade not only deserved his fate......but desired it.
Thank You for another thought provoking and indepth analysis.
Brilliant
What fate did he get exactly? I believe he’s just pessimistic nothing to be tormented over for
Blah blibbity blah
He's not a sirens song. People just get influenced into thinking his work is interesting.
Totally agree with you. Hope masses of fools do not try to follow Sades advice.
This is what i needed to hear as a single person on Valentines day. 😀
Haha! I hope you enjoy it
Finally, someone who will talk about Marquis de Sade! Thank you!!
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It feels really great to have a place where people gather with their opinions, and how the ideas of the philosophers are neither accepted without thought nor rejected without reason.
Also thank you for carefully presenting the thoughts of philosophers.
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never before have I looked up so many words. Your vocabulary is truly immense.
I have an unhealthy love for this kind of content - and your presentation of it. Thank you for doing this - and bringing the old (often) misunderstood Marquis some justice 😉
You clever puck, to release this on the day of love. Mad man you are hahaha! Truly underrated channel
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Women hide behind love, men hide in it.
Enjoying sensual pleasures does not bring suffering, only attachment to pleasures brings you suffering. Non attachment is the way to happiness. Sade is underrated genius.
No it isn as nietze said to reach for the heighest heights you have to risk falling into the lowest of depths. Not investing ones sense of self anyehere is not taking a stand and flattening everything sure you cant fall but you cant reach upwards for anything and so you have no thing to look forward too. This is a good way to get depressed not happy.
As much as that makes sense by logic, I think you forget humans have emotions, regardless of what they agree upon, so I don't agree respectfully
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I think that what The Marquis de Sade fails to acknowlodge it's that love isn't a feeling of ownership, of power over the other. All the things he describes in this video seems to be emotional dependency or some kind of obesession. It's the objectifying of people, treating people like they exist only to pleasure me.
That's not love, at least not for my definition. Love is some kind of misture of reason and emotions. You can feel hate, anger or sadness over people you love. Love is what prevents your bonds with the people you love from breaking.
If someone you love is happy with another one. Even though you feel sad, you just let her go. Because love it's not just about what you feel, but considering what the other feel too.
I don't agree that love is some kind of amoral force. Because saying that looks like I'm treating love as only an emotion. I think love can't be just an emotion. Love needs reason to blossom, otherwise it's just a passion
But I don't agree either that love is perfect or that it will prevent you from suffering. But in many cases I think it can make life easier to go through especially when we are in dark places
I think when most people say "love" they mean Sade's version though, even if they don't realize it. Why else would love inspire such strong feelings of jealousy in people if they didn't have the desire for ownership over that person? I agree with you that simply being happy that somebody else is happy even if they're with somebody else is a very different kind of love, but its not what most people feel or mean.
@@epsteindidntkillhimself69 Yeah thats kinda true and sad. I'll call that just passion but I think a lot people don't know how to differentiate love and passion
"To have and to hold"
"Til death do us part"
I find your notion that 'Love needs REASON TO BLOSSOM' interesting. Would you please expound on that. In my opinion, we often fall in love with others without rhyme or reason. We cannot choose who we fall in love with; it is beyond our control. Or is 'Love' different than 'falling in love,' in your opinion?
@@butterflywind999 I believe that love and falling in love are different experiences. In my first language, we have distinct words for these concepts. Rather than saying ‘falling in love with someone,’ we express it as feeling passionate (a loose translation of the Portuguese word ‘Paixão’) toward them. This passionate feeling is undoubtedly an emotion. When we encounter sadness, anger, or hate within our relationships we require reason to learn how to coexist with someone. Every relationship inevitably involves negative emotions because they are inherent to human existence and reflect our imperfections. The act of living and caring for different individuals who act and think differently from us is a blend of reason and positive emotions. This capacity to be kind and compassionate despite our differences can indeed be called love
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Marquis de Sade captivates with his audacious writing, fearlessly pushing the boundaries of societal norms. His exploration of the darker corners of the human psyche is both daring and insightful, offering profound reflections on themes of freedom and power. With a unique writing style and bold perspectives, he stands as one of the most mesmerizing and influential writers in literary history.
Just the way I love it. thank you for making this video. Have faith budy.
When one finds beautiful flower what do they do?
I think the answer to this question explains it to us what it is we are really talking about (I do not share the thought that the word 'love' is the right word here, but that is just my opinion).
the answer is
1) one can leave the flower as is, watching it's life nurturing it, and perhaps be sad at it's inevitable loss.
2) one plucks it to satisfy their own ego, to have an exclusive ownership to it.
what Sade seems to be showing feels to me to be the second option.
hence why I am not of the idea that it is love, but rather lust and ego coming together.
this can be seen as love in all the given examples seem to be of physical nature.
Now I am not against romantic relationship but rather of the thought that love is more than that which is portrayed in vast media.
to me love seems to be the first choice. to the above question.
Like in the series "Vinland Saga"
there is a talk between a prince and a priest.
The prince had recently been through the death of his guard, Ragnar who was more of a father to him than his biological one.
the price says that Ragnar was the only one who truly loved him, the priest tells him that he missed his mark saying the emotion Ragnar felt toward him was not love but discrimination.
Ragnar watched 62 villagers taken of their food and ki**ed, to ensure his safety.
to give an example of love he points to a d**d body and says, that he can no longer hate or hurt, would provide food to animals and insects and not complain about weather, that is the essence of love.
Now of course we do not have to go that extreme but the idea is there, love being what sets all equal to one person's eyes.
what Sade's story seems to me are the results of ego, wish to posses another person, lust, greed of wanting another at any cost, arrogance in believing one to be worthy of the one they wish to have, obsession.
Other than the use of word love I would say Sade was someone who saw society and saw that which is swept under the rug, he tells us of how the wonderful word love is used by people to justify their actions, and how delusional people are.
Romantic love is about desire, possession and control. It is plucking the flower and shoving it in your lapel. In doing this, the person is not thinking of the flowers future or well-being.
They will adore the flower until it shows signs of death, and then they will throw it away.
Other types of love like Storge and Philia are about watching the flower where it is, and possibly even nurturing it more. Watering it, protecting it.
I don’t think romantic love is actually love.
@@MFLimited you are right about things, romantic love being just lust, desire and control is something I find different in our opinions.
I am not trying to say your opinion is wrong or invalid, just sharing my own so we can better understand the nature of things we think about.
Romantic love may seem like it is filled with lust , but perhaps lust is but a part of the complete relationship, copulation could just be like any other activity which partners may enjoy and not something that defines them. While looking at much of relationship no doubt your view is understandable, it still stands that we may not see it as possession but romantic love as more beautiful.
2 people sharing their lives, trying to live together and understand each other when none of the two may not know their ownself, living and sharing life, being their for each other.
Yes this is quite optimistic of me, I just find that is how romantic love was meant to be and not something you can leave at any moment, what meaning does till de@th do us apart, hold than?
@@hemantjain2387 honestly, I prefer your more optimistic view to my own. And, ideally, I completely agree on what romantic love should be. I don’t think lust is a bad thing. I just think it’s a dangerous thing when it exists without care for the object of desire. In love, it would be wonderful and, yes, does not define them.
I even think true romantic love is possible. Mostly between two quite young people or two people mature enough to truly understand the value of it. I believe that some people can choose to be true to each other and to death, and I believe two people can be willing to lay down their life for one another.
Let’s say, I just think it’s rare.
It’s a negative comparison, but I think true romantic love is about as rare as dying in a plane crash. More of us think about dying in a plane crash, or think we’re going to die in a plane crash than actually do. Most people don’t.
But that does not mean that they don’t exist.
I agree that 2 people sharing their lives with genuine care for each other is beautiful.
So often, one does genuinely care but, the other has a very different agenda. Maybe I just think that’s so heartbreaking that it’s not worth trying to be one of the rare people who gets the real thing? Of course, that means I never will. Hopefully, with your more positive point of view, you have it.
@@MFLimited thanks for the comparison, it really drilled in the fantasy of things, and it's not like I don't get you either, on this same chanel on topic of friendship I had similar views as yours, one can only know the motives of their own action, that is why being with others is well risky to put it mildly, that's why romantic love is a romance I guess it's something ideal, maybe we can find it maybe we cannot, all we can do is hope for the best as we choose what to do.
I am neither one to encourage nor one to discourage another on what they should do, especially since I can always be wrong, there are so many factors.
What I can do is well choose for myself, and choose not to regret it.
Loving someone and hoping we could understand each other is beautiful and I can simply search for it, if I do not find it well that is what it is, just another venture in this life.
Sorry I got off track a little and went with the flow.
To be more realistic, it's scary how a daydream may turn into a nightmare, especially seeing how toxic relationships as well as the consequences of divorces in many countries are, than there is cheating,too many things to look our for, this is life.
I have neither advice nor warnings that are sure to work.
You said I was optimistic to be fair it all depends on the mood, what I wrote earlier was just something I thought was how romantic love was meant to be, what I would want to have and not something to be taken as a general idea of how relationships are, and you example reminded me of the fact.
Thank you , I hope you be happy in life.
@@MFLimited I am very much single, but sometimes I just feel there is love, not in the sense of a physical partner perhaps but just a feeling, a feeling of joy when I see good in the world, the kindness of the universe on us, the grattidue for having what I have and the gratitude of safety, I wouldn't know what its like to share years of life or heartbreak as the one you though shared your life with wasn't who you thought they were, but I know there is comfort in just being in the present it just feels right, to be happy for who knows why, it's good is all I know and perhaps why I wish for a partner who I can be around who knows what I am feeling even if I cannot describe it.
Maybe it is ideal maybe it's a dream that will break, but I choose to wait and not regret no matter the outcome.
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Really cool video! Ive actually had a very tough time with my love life, in particular getting some very brutal rejections, but this video has opened the door for me to look at love more realisticly. I love your channel by the way, keep it up 👍 also I think it would be a great idea for you to do some videos on Tolstoy, in particular 'the death of Ivan Ilyich' its my favourite book 😁
Thanks for the informative video. Personally, feels like a relief to abandon all emotions including love for logical thinking, I knew Love was a dangerous emotion but never knew it was that dangerous.
It's a good thing I have no need for utilizing that part of the mind in my lifetime.
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Great video! Thanks for making genuine videos on your viewpoint in a pandemic of AI channels. + i like how theres a diverse range of philosophy on the channel, i never knew about Sade before this video
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Great video, it as given me a new perspective thank you
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You know, I found his book 120 days of Sodom appalling and disgusting to the point of where I still have nightmares about it 20 years after. But I think it's important to know that what he showed wasn't love. It was infatuation, corruption, and how our desires can bring out the worst in us. Love can bring out the worst in us too, and even though it may not be as bad as he depicts it (I sure hope not), it's helpful to remember that it unlocks something primal in us, something that needs regulating, but is still a part of us whether we like it or not.
Yes - the primal part does need regulating. All crimes of passion are committed by giving way to this instinct.
@@Here4TheHeckOfIt what do you think of De Sade's philosophy? Does he have some point or is he just nihilistic?
@@TheDemonx55I know you asked the other commenter but I’ll just say that I think de Sade absolutely has a point about love and how it’s not always peaches and rainbows but murders, thefts, hatred, revenge, bitterness can also come out from it too.
I think personally that de Sade was more nihilistic than anything. But he did make a brilliant point about what love when it’s perverted and corrupted by our sinful passions can make something so pure into something so corrupt and evil.
@@stevenl1706 And you're right. How often have we seen instances of love gone horribly wrong. We like to think it is pure and wholesome, but more often than not, it's an emotion that can cause harm like any other.
Despite the extreme examples, I also believe that de Sade has a point. Love can drive us to commit all sorts of awful things. Especially the point about how virtuous people only end up exploited by those who are not so virtuous. Of course this doesn't mean we should not be virtuous ourselves, but we need to think about what we are doing, who we interact with, and what will happen.
For me, love is something that needs to be kept in check and made sure it doesn't go out of control. Because at the end of the day, it's a bunch of chemicals inside of us interacting in a certain way. It can be beautiful in its own way, but that's why we need to observe it and make sure it doesn't go out of control.
@@stevenl1706 The love that most people think of is really Sade's conception of love. If you had an altruistic love where you truly only desired the happiness of the one you love, then if you knew they would be happier with someone else, you would be happy for them to be with that person. But that is not how most people would react. The idea of someone's romantic interest being with someone else inspires fierce jealousy in people. That jealousy would not exist if they did not desire to own that person and prioritize that desire for ownership over the happiness of the one they love.
Its not a matter of love being "corrupted by our sinful passions". That's just what love is. In fact, infidelity is considered sinful by the virtue ethicists only to justify their desire for ownership. It is the "non-sinful" and "pure" love which is the most selfish and monstrous, and gives rise to Sade's conclusions.
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What de Sade conceives as "love" is better described as lust. Lust is not to be understood as sexual desire, but as an inordinate desire for something. A rapist is lustful, not because he desires his victims sexually, but because he desires to brutalize and dominate them. A classic example of this might be Frollo from "The Hunchback of Notre Dame". He is willing to destroy Esmeralda if he cannot have her. Phebus and Quasimodo also desire Esmeralda, but unlike Frollo, they care about her as a person and will her good over their own happiness. They are both content to let her go.
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It sounds like he is talking about desire not love...great video as always. I'm really grateful to have found your channel.
Some would say they are identical.
True, but can you blame him? When most people say love, they mean desire.
The primary hole in de Sade's view is one of conflation. He conflates goodness with weakness or naivete. He conflates love with desire, possessiveness, lust or passion. I'm guessing he had a hard time understanding this because he was a psychopath. I'm not using the word psychopath as a pejorative, I mean it literally, and thus he did not truly understand the concept of valuing someone more than yourself, placing their happiness above your own.
I love my daughters, I would die for them, I would suffer for them. I hope that have great, meaningful and joyful futures. I hope they find wonderful husbands and have great marriages that fulfill them.
The problem is that love can come with other negative feelings such as possessiveness, passion, ego, etc. Though, that these are often comingled does not equate them, and the actions they inspire does not indict love.
The main reason for this conflation is linguistic. Many languages don't make the necessary distinction between what Greeks call agape and eros
People forever going on about how good they got it
Sounds like you've got "love blinders" on.
Love is evil simply because it destroys the logical mind it makes you unable to see truth you are it's slave willing to go to any lengths to have it or maintain it even in the Bible it says that love is evil "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." Without the love money is nothing but paper it's love that makes it evil even God himself is blindly by love in the story God loves us even in our absolute wickness he is so blinded by love he sacrifices his divine son for the wickness of man and his love
@@aggroelohim3537 I'm not here to judge, I'm just saying: drugs are bad
Love isn't only dead, it never existed. I have long given up on the idea of ever finding someone.
Maybe try loving yourself first. Then, you might understand what it means for someone else to receive it from you. That way, you can start the circle. If you don't want to love yourself, why would anyone else want to?
@@Sorcerollo oh shut up, you know for a fact that lie is such a bunch of bunk. Would you tell that to a HOT person?! no. you wouldn't. Somebody that gets laid regularly? no, you wouldn't! STOP TREATING ME LIKE I'M SUBHUMAN
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Oh boy...you just started...you lost hope...that's the first requirement for finding love.
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Your friend from California (CA): I feel my stomach is a bit sour after listening to this episode. Not sure why.
I really enjoyed this video I think Sade is an underappreciated philosophy. I have read some of the stories in this video from a different short story collection along with 120 Days of Sodom and an early addition of Justine: the Misfortunes of Virtue (unfortunately I realised too late that this was a very clean version of the story as Sade made it more explicit as he edited it).
I think a perspective that is neglected in this video is that Sades arguments need not be taken at face value for example Camille Paglia argues that some of Sade's writing is a satire or Rousseau. Either way I would be really interested in a video on your interpretation of Sade's political philosophy as his work has not only ethical implications but also heavily refers to the state of nature.
In my opinion love is filled with lows and downs whether or not both parties love eachother equally. The bad side of love is posessiveness, it can make people outside the relationship more distant by the posessive lover setting boundaries which confine the attention of the other person only towards them.
_Love will tear us apart again_
So fun!!!❤
The reason for people's misery and malevolence when they commit atrocities is not the fault of love. It's the fault of greed. I love you, and so I MUST have you, whether you or even the universe itself want it or not. And I will get what I want at any cost. Is this love still true? Often, the answer is yes. Is it love that's responsible for things playing out so horribly? No, it's greed. Even if you don't commit acts of evil, but just suffer quietly, when you can't have someone it's still not love that hurts you. It's greed.
Now, does that mean you should just want nothing and dare not have a claim to a mutual feeling? It does not. But does it mean that your expectations should probably not be detached from your capabilities, objective reality, and moral values? F*ck yeah, it does.
Thanks for this video. It's an apt one, well suited for Valentine's Day. 😈😁 I subscribed to your channel. Clear and nuanced exposition of ideas by the philosophers you cover.
In many ways, I do agree with the depraved Marquis - especially his cynicism - but certainly not the hedonistic depraved route he took. I replied to someone who commented this current video was describing lust and not love that there is no such thing as pure/innocent "romantic love". "Romantic love" is but a moral/"politically correct" cover for lust or desire. An important "core" of "romantic love" is the ultimate ecstasy of the act of copulation. There is always an element of selfishness and possessiveness in "romantic love". The s3xual animal in all humans is the ultimate "heart" of all "romantic love". "Lust" and all kinds of "depravities" are just an extreme spectrum of "romantic love". We humans are all a monstrous hybrid of animal and the Divine. After all, s3xual desires and desires for food are amongst the most primitive and primeval instincts we share with animals. The prefrontal
cortex where human intelligence resides, and where notions of morality are formed, suppresses those more primitive animal instincts. Jeckyll and Hyde are within us, even morality is a plaything for Hyde. Sorry for this long comment but I want to say again : your videos are superb.
I think one important aspect being forgotten in the debate of whether love can be harmful, is what "love" actually means, especially in contrast with "obsession". I would argue that most of these tales of "Sade-ism" are reflections of obsession rather than love. The way I would define love would include a need to desire to uplift and enrich the object of that desire, as opposed to these tales, wherein I would argue it is obsession driving these actions. Viewing the "love interest" as a prize to be won; idolizing and idealizing them. Putting them on a pedestal and turning them into a monolithic caricature.
But again, it ultimately comes down to the definition of "love" and whether you call into question the self profession or accept it at face value.
Forgetting the injuries done to you by anyone who took a single step at excusing their actions.
Next time I'll wait till the end - from my perspective at least, love can lead to obsession perhaps, though as above I would question if it was actually love when it is based on such a narrow, hollow, manufactured version of reality. But we could say the same about frustration leading to explosive anger when taken to the extreme.
There is definitely value in pointing out the blurred lines between these human concepts, and also, I think there is value in not placing too much weight or importance on small facets that are truly only relevant when seen within the greater context of the capacity of the human mind. If we judged a diamond by a single atom we would see it no differently than the ash in our fireplace.
I think this is a great point. Should we decide whether love can bring pain or whether it should not? I think the choice is up to us.
There is a vast difference between love and desire
I wonder if the character in the story mistake love with infatuation? Both should be quite different.
The first should be stable and content, and i think is orange? With a feeling of fuzzy warm
The latter is (definitely, I just experienced it) redish pink and feels like a kind of a sweeting pain that is addictive and yet you want it to stop.
De Sade really seems like an upstanding, pleasant individual to be around with no mental issues whatsoever.
It's kinda mad how this video was suggested to me at this moment considering what's happening in my life atm.
“When you believe in things that you don’t understand then you suffer.” Stevie Wonder
Love is not an emotion but a way of being. What Sade was talking about was not love, but infatuation, which is a sort of madness
some interesting points
Every emotion is distorted form of love.
He might be right about the rejection part, men who can’t handle rejection end up stabbing, assaulting or killing women that reject them and it’s really really awful
Love is an emotion that can push anyone to great acts of good or evil. Love needs to be tempered with wisdom to make sure it doesn't corrupt into obsession or other negative states.
Also, love is not dead. The world looks like it's getting worse and love is harder to find, but as long as you choose to nurture virtuous love (be it romantic or otherwise) it's never truly dead. If you can do this, then other people can too.
The Misfortunes of Virtue is excellent.
There's the risk of love turning into infatuation, and then becoming obsession.
Not all who love desire the same of kind. Just as, not all who are loved by those that love them desire to be loved as much as they are loved by those that love them.
Some can love too much.
Like many things, it is a double edged sword ⚔️ Every chance of 50/50 turns into branches of decisions that are ultimately a net worth of victories and failures. This is why I like the game "Uno". For a simple game, you cannot absolutely ensure victory without relying on your opponent's/opponents' decisions as well.
This is off topic but your hair looks great in this video and you're handsome in an old rome kinda style
Thank you! I do need a haircut soon though
If we get rejected it is exactly because we were never good enough in the first place
This stuff should be taught in school. Also I tried reading one of thes stories and it was so badly written I could hardly get into it.
i like this this guy.hes not wrong in many ways.
I had always understood the writing of deSade as being a satirical commentary upon the aristocracy.
This point has been a fulcrum of scholarly debate for years. Did DeSade mean his work as a satire of contemporary behavior or was it supposed to incite people to evil?
Love nothing so nothing can ever be used against you.
Amatonormativity is like a terminal disease upon this world's human-society, to even think there is no form of love or loving to be found outside of romantic love is so weak and immature and short-sighted, in truth all love starts with yourself cause how you feel about yourself from your own inner-world becomes a reflction of how you see the outer-world.
And also what you have to offer others, and how you treat them.
Homeboy so fast ya gotta watch it at 1.75 instead of 2, respect
Hi,Can you do an Video about Magic Mountain by thomas mann,I think that ‘s lot of philosophy in there that could be interesting
Self-Love is a part of Love, he's definitely right to some degree.
Just now, IVE had an EPIPHANI! I Think that love lies on a specturm, from loveless selflessness, to romantik love, to platonisk love, to general love, to universal love.
Is it a spectrum, or is it subjective?
@@Sorcerollo Both. In fact, everything one (subject) can say about love (and everything) only can be subjective.
@@alena-qu9vj But doesn't this place us back at square one?
@@Sorcerollo I rather consider the actual real things in my real life to which it brings us. I am after all just a humble subject.
Yes absolutely, Goddess Venus (Aphrodite) says there are many types of Love.
It’s kind of reminds me of the Lady or the Tiger business 🌲 my definition of love is quite different than the one held by Marquis de Sade
Through time, I start see things as a double-edged sword. Ever human necessity at best, can serve us benefits and give us conduciveness. The other part is where it can give us obsession and abuse of that certain need/necessity.
Hand motions=captures my attention
I can't help but to feel a deep sadness when exposed to Sade's views about love. I don't view myself as romantic, I've never experience this supposed romantic love, but I do know love. I love the people who I hold close, when those I care about succeed at their goals, live their best life and are healthy in both body, mind and soul, I feel genuine happiness for them and celebrate them. I love the beauty of nature and art and the potential we humans have, our ability of creation. I love the flowers I see growing at the side of the rode's I travel. I love the baby ducklings I see each spring. For me love isn't about taking or destroying, for me love is like a new born kitten, you hold it close, protecting them from the elements, feed them, see them grow and become independent, not wanting anything in return but maybe to see them flourish. I guess my practice of love can be seen as the ancient Greek word ''agape''. Obsession, lust and and wanting to posses is not love, at least not by me.
But who knows, maybe one day cupid's arrow will hit me and I will go blindly mad with obsession and will have to eat my words, haha.
You're taking "mittens" the cat through the flower patch to go watch the baby ducks. That's what I'm reading.
@@Sorcerollo Pretty sure you would prefer your daughter to meet them on their walk than de Sade on one of his object-lessons.
@alena-qu9vj What are you saying?
@@Sorcerollo That I prefer cat the mittens and walks in flower meadows with duck ponds to anything de Sade could offer in any way, form or shape - no matter how intelectually inferior it may seem.
love your videos this is so good
Haven't watched the video yet, but I'm gonna take a guess that he tries to redefine what love as something akin to passion or impulse to make his point, will edit once I've finished and collected my thoughts
💨 reading the Marquis de Sade is something !!!
He's...not always pleasant to get through
listening to this while giving my stiff socks their daily scrubbing.
People change and when the change is done only by one of the person, they are changing themselves to fit the idel image of the other. Its a toxic stigma which is not very far from being in every relationship
It would be fascinating to see DeSade compared to Cholderos de Laclos (who was his contemporary.) The former seems to revel in the evil he describes- I mean expositions on villany and moral nihilism get a lot of air time in his work. De Laclos on the other hand depicts turned down version of the same behaviors without judgement, only showing the end consequences.
What books would you recommend about Sade?
Camus’ “The Rebel” has a chapter on him that is very cool! And de Beauvoir’s “Must we burn Sade” is very interesting
I believe that people should choose to who should be virtuous and ro who should not because in my personal opinion there are some virtues people but there are alot of manipulative and greedy ones and people should keep the ones who threat them right
These things have become part of our thinking since these ideas have been in the air for quite some time.
I dont see anything new in it.
What people should do is be aware of all these things and how selfish we are and still, be able to love.
In my view being a Neitzsche reader myself, I do believe the the feeling of 'love' is enough in itself.
Yes, it can be broken or be twisted since it depends on a number of things. When you attach yourself to a goal and give all of your life and work to it and you achieve it.
Did the goal betray you?
Maybe it did, or maybe you think its too different from being betrayed by your love.
Which is so stupid as an idea itself.
The idea of a goal or that 'its achievable' - is created by people too.
Being aware of the selfishness in you and others - shouldn't take you away from love but closer to it.
Understand :
You are not just an Individual.
You are an Individual as a PART of the world.
Yes, a part - so even though you have your own mind and desires but yet,
You are a PART of the WORLD.
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As usual, a very interesting video. I have never learned so much about philosophy and literature in such a short time as I have through watching your UA-cam videos.
Thank you! I am very glad
How about the city of troy.remember that?started over romance. 10:54
Yo FR how long did you work on your hair before you shot this vid?
Haha! Nothing in particular. It is curly and does what it wants
@@unsolicitedadvice9198 I'm just messing around bro, your content is gold my man. Keep up the good work!