One of my theories about the lost legions revolves entirely around this war. I think the forgotten primarch died in battle with most of his legion. Now I think the reason why he was forgotten wasn't because he died but it was because he did something foolish or disobeyed orders. Like he went in there guns blazing thinking he was going to crush the xenos and refused to listen to anyone else. That seems like a likely reason for the Emperor and Malcador to say forget this guy, yet some of his brothers may have thought he deserved to be honored because he died in battle regardless of circumstances. Then maybe the purged did the complete opposite. Perhaps he had a few battles with them and it was so horrible he decided it was a suicide campaign and refused to fight anymore. That could then end with Russ or whoever arresting him and putting him in the dungeon on Terra or killing him outright. Then they would say ok that guy was a coward and refused to do his job but his legionaries are just following orders. Lets just mind wipe them and integrate them into the Utlras and move on.
Considering how orks love and respect a good enemy, they might have tales of the Randang. Gotta check the other vids from this week, gota find the best pl
Funnily enough if it was another human empire it wouldn't have been called a "Xenocide" and Sloth are thought to have been a Rangda client species, not the Rangda themselves. If the Rangda did survive beyond the galaxy the chances are they're extinct now. I doubt the Tyrranids overlooked them. More than any other period in Imperial history, this war is what I want a series of novels on. I'm talking beat war levels, not Heresy sized. It's just too important and interesting a period to ignore.
If this was real life, I'd immediately suspect the following: 1) the Rangdan were human, and all statements to the contrary were simply imperial lies. This follows their pattern. 2) the two primarchs who were executed SWITCHED SIDES to the Rangdan bc they realized they were dealing with a genuinely enlightened civilizatoin. This would immediately explain why the Imperium erased all records of the conflict. The Imperium cannot tolerate any challenge to it's philosophical primacy. A counter civlization of humanity that is (was) enlightened would be a worse counter to the imperium than even the Horus Heresy. As Horus was simply an out of control lunatic, whereas the Rangdan (according to this theory) would be a genuinely enlightened human civilization, thus putting to the lie everything the Imperium, stands for. Given that the Imperium is described as the most brutal and repressive totalitarian autocracy imaginable, that would make perfect sense. A lot more sense than two primarchs defecting to "mind control", yet the Imperium would still be wiling to incorporate their astartes in the legions. t would also explain Horus' desperation in negotiating with the Interex, and his subsequent breakdown into being an absolute bitch when they mistakenly thought he was chaos. This wasn't his first go around in destroying a truly enlightened human civilization, and his guilt and conscience wasn't strong enough to overcome his slavish devotion to the Big Psychotic.
That would well...strongy implied that it was GAoT era civilisation, maybe AWARE of Imperium or Emperor, which in turn implies, that Emperor contributed to fall of GAoT humanity or subverted it somehow.
You to imagine how bad the wars were considering that the Emperor himself wasn’t able to get rid off these horrible aliens, and it makes me wonder how bad the Imperium must have suffered to have to redact most if not all of the information surrounding these Xenoicides.
The first real war between the Ranga and the Imperium, the dark angels sacraficed multiple companies and 2 gloriana class battleships. That was just to kill an outpost
My headcanon is that the were basically powerfully psychic bacteria that parasitized other lifeforms and took them over They managed to infect one of the lost Primarchs during the conflict, that's what led to one of the two lost legions being wiped from the historical record. Not actually out of shame or have a nice shiny historical record but due to the Rangdan and the Primarchs warp connection there was a good chance they, and the irrecoverably infected Primarch could return.
There is one aspect of the Xenocides that makes me think that the Rangdan were actually humans - the fact that the Xenocides are almost entirely redacted. Why redact such an inspiring victory? This should be the stuff of Imperial Legend and Propaganda - "This is why the Xenos are so dangerous!" combined with "This is why the Imperium is so necessary!", but it's not - it's almost heretical to know about it. The loss of two Legions and two Primarchs definitely makes this more tricky, of course, but I think the real problem is that the Rangdan... were majority human. And mutated - intentionally - into hundreds of different forms. Humans bred for tasks, or mutated sometime during gestation or perhaps they were effectively an entire civilization of "astartes" - humans mutated in their youth to perform assigned functions. Which is already anathema to the Imperium, but I think what may have put them over into absolute dangerous territory was that they were WINNING at the same rate as the Imperium - and at least one of the lost Primarchs believed they were a better choice for humanity than the Imperium. I think that the combination of the Rangdan being human AND a Primarch (or two) believing that the Rangdan were a BETTER choice for humanity than the Imperium is what made this into the redacted mess that it ended up being. The Rangdan had to be turned into Xenos in the Imperial records - not hard when they're so mutated, who in the Imperium would believe that a spider-like being that could survive in the vacuum of space was once a Human? - and the entire empire had to be eradicated, so there was no one to dispute the Imperium's lies. Then Redacted entirely so that as few people as possible could even know that the Rangdan existed in the first place.
Yea what if Rangdan were a dark age of tech empire of humanity, one primarch joined them because they were better than the imperium at least from ethical perspective. Then it would make sense why they were destroyed and erased from history, because people in the Imperium cannot know that life can be better outside of it. The other primarch is forgotten because he refused to kill so many humans in the name of the Imperium, so he got locked up or something.
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The Rangdan were probably child protective services that found out about the emperor’s parenting method 😂
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Rangdan being cps because rhe Big E wasn't paying child and child endangerment after the scattering
One of my theories about the lost legions revolves entirely around this war. I think the forgotten primarch died in battle with most of his legion. Now I think the reason why he was forgotten wasn't because he died but it was because he did something foolish or disobeyed orders. Like he went in there guns blazing thinking he was going to crush the xenos and refused to listen to anyone else. That seems like a likely reason for the Emperor and Malcador to say forget this guy, yet some of his brothers may have thought he deserved to be honored because he died in battle regardless of circumstances.
Then maybe the purged did the complete opposite. Perhaps he had a few battles with them and it was so horrible he decided it was a suicide campaign and refused to fight anymore. That could then end with Russ or whoever arresting him and putting him in the dungeon on Terra or killing him outright. Then they would say ok that guy was a coward and refused to do his job but his legionaries are just following orders. Lets just mind wipe them and integrate them into the Utlras and move on.
Such a great part of Imperial history. The entire 3 wars of the xenocide is based off from the Punic wars between Carthage and Rome
Agreed
Nicely done. Wouldn't a rangdan series of 40k novels be awesome.
That would be cool!
Considering how orks love and respect a good enemy, they might have tales of the Randang.
Gotta check the other vids from this week, gota find the best pl
Funnily enough if it was another human empire it wouldn't have been called a "Xenocide" and Sloth are thought to have been a Rangda client species, not the Rangda themselves. If the Rangda did survive beyond the galaxy the chances are they're extinct now. I doubt the Tyrranids overlooked them. More than any other period in Imperial history, this war is what I want a series of novels on. I'm talking beat war levels, not Heresy sized. It's just too important and interesting a period to ignore.
If this was real life, I'd immediately suspect the following: 1) the Rangdan were human, and all statements to the contrary were simply imperial lies. This follows their pattern. 2) the two primarchs who were executed SWITCHED SIDES to the Rangdan bc they realized they were dealing with a genuinely enlightened civilizatoin.
This would immediately explain why the Imperium erased all records of the conflict. The Imperium cannot tolerate any challenge to it's philosophical primacy.
A counter civlization of humanity that is (was) enlightened would be a worse counter to the imperium than even the Horus Heresy.
As Horus was simply an out of control lunatic, whereas the Rangdan (according to this theory) would be a genuinely enlightened human civilization, thus putting to the lie everything the Imperium, stands for.
Given that the Imperium is described as the most brutal and repressive totalitarian autocracy imaginable, that would make perfect sense. A lot more sense than two primarchs defecting to "mind control", yet the Imperium would still be wiling to incorporate their astartes in the legions.
t would also explain Horus' desperation in negotiating with the Interex, and his subsequent breakdown into being an absolute bitch when they mistakenly thought he was chaos. This wasn't his first go around in destroying a truly enlightened human civilization, and his guilt and conscience wasn't strong enough to overcome his slavish devotion to the Big Psychotic.
I answered the same thing to one person in comments. Nice!
They already did that story and it was a major reason for Horus turning: The Interex
That would well...strongy implied that it was GAoT era civilisation, maybe AWARE of Imperium or Emperor, which in turn implies, that Emperor contributed to fall of GAoT humanity or subverted it somehow.
One of tge most intriguing mysteries of 40k. Hope it gets fleshed out some day.
You and me both!
You to imagine how bad the wars were considering that the Emperor himself wasn’t able to get rid off these horrible aliens, and it makes me wonder how bad the Imperium must have suffered to have to redact most if not all of the information surrounding these Xenoicides.
The first real war between the Ranga and the Imperium, the dark angels sacraficed multiple companies and 2 gloriana class battleships. That was just to kill an outpost
I really want to see what the Rangda look like.
My headcanon is that the were basically powerfully psychic bacteria that parasitized other lifeforms and took them over
They managed to infect one of the lost Primarchs during the conflict, that's what led to one of the two lost legions being wiped from the historical record. Not actually out of shame or have a nice shiny historical record but due to the Rangdan and the Primarchs warp connection there was a good chance they, and the irrecoverably infected Primarch could return.
There is one aspect of the Xenocides that makes me think that the Rangdan were actually humans - the fact that the Xenocides are almost entirely redacted. Why redact such an inspiring victory? This should be the stuff of Imperial Legend and Propaganda - "This is why the Xenos are so dangerous!" combined with "This is why the Imperium is so necessary!", but it's not - it's almost heretical to know about it.
The loss of two Legions and two Primarchs definitely makes this more tricky, of course, but I think the real problem is that the Rangdan... were majority human. And mutated - intentionally - into hundreds of different forms. Humans bred for tasks, or mutated sometime during gestation or perhaps they were effectively an entire civilization of "astartes" - humans mutated in their youth to perform assigned functions. Which is already anathema to the Imperium, but I think what may have put them over into absolute dangerous territory was that they were WINNING at the same rate as the Imperium - and at least one of the lost Primarchs believed they were a better choice for humanity than the Imperium.
I think that the combination of the Rangdan being human AND a Primarch (or two) believing that the Rangdan were a BETTER choice for humanity than the Imperium is what made this into the redacted mess that it ended up being. The Rangdan had to be turned into Xenos in the Imperial records - not hard when they're so mutated, who in the Imperium would believe that a spider-like being that could survive in the vacuum of space was once a Human? - and the entire empire had to be eradicated, so there was no one to dispute the Imperium's lies. Then Redacted entirely so that as few people as possible could even know that the Rangdan existed in the first place.
The true first primarch death took place here.
The 2 and 11 legoins might have fought for the Rangdan in some way and that is why information on them has been removed
Yea what if Rangdan were a dark age of tech empire of humanity, one primarch joined them because they were better than the imperium at least from ethical perspective. Then it would make sense why they were destroyed and erased from history, because people in the Imperium cannot know that life can be better outside of it. The other primarch is forgotten because he refused to kill so many humans in the name of the Imperium, so he got locked up or something.
@@TheLostPrimarch Im thinking like mind control or something. I like your theory too.
Doesn't seem like the Rangdan pushed much into the Imperium. They might have been dangerous, but they were clearly no match for humanity at the time.
The thing is that we don't know what they were fighting in other regions
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