Ooh, I'm excited to hear about native environmental management! Very few people in the US understand the extent to which our "wilderness" was managed by indigenous groups.
I feel like the biggest strength of written traditions for recording this information is the ability to see how it changed over time, for instance, if an oral story changes, it's probably very hard to know what exactly was changed, and how. That being said, the ability of oral traditions to preserve pronunciation, is of huge historical value that written traditions simply can't compete with
Like a living language THE ORAL TRADITION IS FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO ALLOW NEW GEN TO KEEP THE MYTHOLOGY ALIVE! LIVING MYTHOLOGY/LIVING LANGUAGE! Fun subject--moving on!
Slightly unrelated question: You mentioned elements of Hawaiian stories, is it common for study of Native American cultures to include Hawaii? On one hand it makes sense because Hawaii is a US state, but on the other, Native Hawaiians come from an unrelated cultural tradition and (likely) never had any contact with North America. I understand that it's all arbitrary to some extent, I guess I'm just curious.
Yes and no. It depends on whether the basis for your classification is “people native to the lands of the US” or “people native to North America.” If people are taking about just North American Natives, then they don’t include Hawaii; but if they’re talking about all Native peoples of the United States, then they do. For example, the American Indian Studies department at the University of Washington (my alma mater) offers a minor in Oceania and Pacific Islander Studies.
yes! I recently made a native story video and went to AI to ask for title suggestions because I was comparing their stories to the bible and paralleling things and there was an obvious bias as the AI kept putting “Native American stories “ into “myths” while overly revering “the bible” and i texted the AI that it was a bias to keep putting “myths” in front of “Native Americans”
I'm assuming that version of the Iroquoian creation myth came from the Tuscarora, Nottoway or Meherrin, given the mention of sweet potato? I find it kind of fascinating, because that's the only version I heard where Sky Woman is responsible for the farmable crops. The other Iroquois have the Corn Spirit, like the Algonquians do.
Ooh that makes me want to go back to my source and see if they mention which nation the story comes from. I feel like it was Seneca, but I didn’t write that down, so I could be wrong.
@@IndigenousHistoryNowOK, I see what I did- Sky Woman brought the edible plants to this world from Sky World in most versions (not just the crops, but several wild edible plants get mentioned also), but the corn, beans & squash have a trinity of goddesses associated specifically with them, aside from her.
Considering the sweet potato wasn’t introduced to the temperate parts of North America until relatively recently might they have been talking about the wild potato/or wild sweet potato? Those differ from the domesticated versions.
@@beaconofchaosMost likely, yes. Sweet Potato was domesticated from a species of Morning Glory & we have a few morning glory species around the Great Lakes with edible roots.
A culture þat is obſeßed wiþ facts and logic and preciſion is good and ſucceßful. And I like it þat way. Im a Chineſe American and I prefer to live in a rational logical ſociety.
Ooh, I'm excited to hear about native environmental management! Very few people in the US understand the extent to which our "wilderness" was managed by indigenous groups.
I feel like the biggest strength of written traditions for recording this information is the ability to see how it changed over time, for instance, if an oral story changes, it's probably very hard to know what exactly was changed, and how.
That being said, the ability of oral traditions to preserve pronunciation, is of huge historical value that written traditions simply can't compete with
I have waited for a scholarly channnel on Indigenous People's myths and belief-systems , like this one, for a Long time 🪔🙏
Awesome content. You hit like a hundred thousand sub creator!
If only I was a hundred thousand sub creator 😭😅
This is a great video. Could you please share inks to full texts of the myths when possible? Maybe in the information about the video?
Nice stories man. :)
nina waśté always a good day when we get a upload
I'm always excited for your videos!
Like a living language THE ORAL TRADITION IS FLEXIBLE ENOUGH TO ALLOW NEW GEN TO KEEP THE MYTHOLOGY ALIVE! LIVING MYTHOLOGY/LIVING LANGUAGE! Fun subject--moving on!
May I aſk what happened to your 《Land Bridge Part 2》 Video? I þink you took it down. Will you ever rereleaſe it?
Slightly unrelated question: You mentioned elements of Hawaiian stories, is it common for study of Native American cultures to include Hawaii? On one hand it makes sense because Hawaii is a US state, but on the other, Native Hawaiians come from an unrelated cultural tradition and (likely) never had any contact with North America. I understand that it's all arbitrary to some extent, I guess I'm just curious.
Yes and no. It depends on whether the basis for your classification is “people native to the lands of the US” or “people native to North America.” If people are taking about just North American Natives, then they don’t include Hawaii; but if they’re talking about all Native peoples of the United States, then they do. For example, the American Indian Studies department at the University of Washington (my alma mater) offers a minor in Oceania and Pacific Islander Studies.
Interesting, thanks for the info!
Glad to see the title is creation stories and not creation “myths”
Why? Isn’t a myth just a really old story?
yes! I recently made a native story video and went to AI to ask for title suggestions because I was comparing their stories to the bible and paralleling things and there was an obvious bias as the AI kept putting “Native American stories “ into “myths” while overly revering “the bible” and i texted the AI that it was a bias to keep putting “myths” in front of “Native Americans”
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I'm assuming that version of the Iroquoian creation myth came from the Tuscarora, Nottoway or Meherrin, given the mention of sweet potato? I find it kind of fascinating, because that's the only version I heard where Sky Woman is responsible for the farmable crops. The other Iroquois have the Corn Spirit, like the Algonquians do.
Ooh that makes me want to go back to my source and see if they mention which nation the story comes from. I feel like it was Seneca, but I didn’t write that down, so I could be wrong.
@@IndigenousHistoryNowOK, I see what I did- Sky Woman brought the edible plants to this world from Sky World in most versions (not just the crops, but several wild edible plants get mentioned also), but the corn, beans & squash have a trinity of goddesses associated specifically with them, aside from her.
Considering the sweet potato wasn’t introduced to the temperate parts of North America until relatively recently might they have been talking about the wild potato/or wild sweet potato? Those differ from the domesticated versions.
@@beaconofchaosMost likely, yes. Sweet Potato was domesticated from a species of Morning Glory & we have a few morning glory species around the Great Lakes with edible roots.
A culture þat is obſeßed wiþ facts and logic and preciſion is good and ſucceßful. And I like it þat way. Im a Chineſe American and I prefer to live in a rational logical ſociety.
What does planet Earth sit on?
Right.
The turtle is clearly in the middle of a vast sea lol
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LOUD APPLAUSE
23rd
The first Nations peoples still exist, and will always exist ,and what gives you the authority to tell their story?