USPS suspends mail delivery to Florida neighborhood with sandpit streets
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2024
- When Luann Barker and her husband moved to Citrus County three years ago, they traded the beaches of South Florida for a different kind of beach outside their front door. They live in Inverness Village 4, a Citrus County neighborhood that was somehow built with no drainage system. Years of erosion have turned roads that were never paved into deeply scarred sand pits. It’s so bad that neighbors in Inverness Village 4 just lost another modern convenience: mail delivery. In a May 3 letter to neighbors, the U.S. Postal Service described the roads as impassable.
Community mailbox location. It’s a rural thing and nothing new.
And some semi rural areas with patch towns of say 100 homes require residents to go to the local post office ( a mile or two away )
Cluster boxes
IKR ? My mailbox is 200 yards down our dirt/sand road at the main ( also ) dirt road , nothing unusual about it, its part and parcel of living in a rural community and nothing new , both dirt roads were there and we knew that when we bought our land - frankly i dont see what the supposed huge issue here is .
@@mikebryant614 What was on the plans when the proper was sold is the ruling item. This development was approved by some group in the government. Since the PO was serving that area already that shouts it is PUBLIC street as grouping of boxes is required at the entry to private roads and seen everywhere around the country.
Still would be screwed come package time
In many places it's customary for the municipality or county to withhold occupancy permits until the drainage is installed and the roads are completed.
I have NO SYMPATHY for the homeowners. It's a private road. Cities will not take over roads unless they are built to code. These people bought here knowing these roads weren't paved.
Well, it's not like it was paved when they bought the place........
Ever go to tour a development? Most developers are on the level but there are some that give all of them the bad reputation. They're convincing and they make it sounds like it's all going to be going in next month, in 3 months, after the rainy season or whatever. Once they've got your money, it's all excuse after excuse and finally their LLC files for bankruptcy and they turn off the phones.
I've never been conned that way but I've read plenty of news stories about people who have been conned and it's always a variation of the same song.
@@GrainneDhub-ll6vw I totally get what you are saying but if you dont at least get it in writing as a firm plan / commitment, in my opinion it's still on the Buyer. You have to assume that the Seller / Developer is going to tell you / promise you anything to make the Sale, even if they know its 100% BS from the get go,so if you dont insist on written garauntee of some kind then thats on you and you dont have much legal standing. " They told me" usually does not fare well in a Court of Law, as the counter argument is " No we didnt" and without anything on paper , its a draw.And draws dont win court cases.
@@mikebryant614 even when you get it on paper, when the LLC files for bankruptcy, what you'e got is a worthless piece of paper that is in the lowest category of category of priorities with the court. Those conmen developers have figured out the Art of the Con, that's for sure.
@@mikebryant614
I believe you just defined the expression,
"Due Diligence."
Ya gotta do ur homework...
No HOA mentioned so it was a developer who is responsible, BUT most likely as building codes in FL are pretty specific everywhere the properties were sold with roads appearing on the plans and developer took the money.
It's a PRIVATE road. That means it is the responsibility of the home OWNERS and DEVELOPER. The county has no responsibility.
Where does it say anything about it being a private road ???
@@vulcan2882 READ the letter at 1:39. "Due to the condition of the PRIVATE roads in the area . . . . ". AND it goes on to state the PO is placing a central box set (on a concrete pad) at the closest PUBLIC intersection and will provide a key. What more do you want them to do?
@@Bigrignohio .. ok, I just saw that. Now here's the thing, the post office can not make any road a private road just by saying that. It's up to the count city/township/neighborhood to do that. The post office can not. I have a friend who lives on a private road and that was done by the people who live on it to stop all the traffic going up and down it day and night.
Typically communities are required to build the roads and then deeded them over to the government. I’m not sure what the deal here was supposed to be.
@@vulcan2882 The developer created the road as a private road as they built the development. As @neilkurzman4907 stated they then can possibly turn it over to the local government IF THE GOV ACCEPTS IT. But they don't HAVE to turn it over (and some HOAs do not) and the government does not have to accept it (if the expense/liability/etc is too much).
Typically IF they want to turn it over it has to be at an acceptable level of construction first. So drainage, grading, pavement, road markings, signage. This "road" has none of that.
They COULDN’T SEE that the place they were buying had NO PAVED ROADS???
They bought lots. Then homes were built… so many places are sold like that in Fl. Developer dropped the ball or some type of shenanigans happened.
@@rzelaya2283The original developer went belly up in the '70s, was bought out 20 years ago by another developer that went belly up 5 years later
Nope... That's why they bought there...
@@rzelaya2283
My Mom bought a couple of lots in Citrus Hills (Citrus Co) FL and she did real well.
Ya gotta do ur homework/Due Diligence...
The whole Inverness Village development is problematic.
How did the builder even get permits to construct homes if there was no infrastructure in place (drainage and roads)?
Wasn't that road there when they bought the house? Those houses don't look very old. The old saying goes you get what you pay for..
This is not a common but not a rare situation with developments. The developer sells homes in unfinished developments, promising that the unfinished parts of the development (like roads, recreational areas, etc) will be finished in 3 months, by the end of the summer, by the end of the year or whatever. They may even offer a little "discount" on the house price for the inconvenience of the wait (sucker bait). The promised deadline arrives, the promises aren't fulfilled and the homeowners get excuses, excuses, excuses. Then the developer's LLC (usually) files for bankruptcy, turns off the phones and the homeowners realise they've been suckered.
Most developers are on the level but there are enough of a rotten minority to give all of them a bad reputation.
I live in this area . But i live on a paved street. Its the buyer's fault for buying. Gee wizz
AMEN!
There are some nice houses between Citrus Hills and Independence plus its close to town.
This development is a nightmare, you need a 4x4 and a airboat to get to your house...
That's like the people that built a house next to the airport that has been there for 80 years. Then complain about Aircraft noise. How stupid!!!
for sure if u built next to something then bitch about it i tell them u move there sux it up u cry baby no one to blame exp urself
Same for busy highways and interstates. I grew up next to one and they put a sound barrier along the highway and the adjacent neighborhoods are nearly silent, but the sound gets displaced several blocks away.
Why did these people move there in the first place?
Because builders own city governments. The people couldn't imagine the roads would NEVER be paved. I'd bet they were told roads would be paved when construction ended. All the city commissars do is take bows for "unprecedented growth." Anybody. ANYBODY who thinks governments are here to serve the people needs serious psychiatric help.
@@richardfabacher3705 Bingo. Such stories aren't common but they aren't rare, either. It's always a variation on the same song.
@@richardfabacher3705 In most developments the utilities go in first, then the curbs and sidewalks and then asphalt or concrete roads. If you build on a dirt road, it will most likely stay unpaved. You're lucky to have sanitary sewers, potable water and electric power in a neighborhood like that. Where I live it's a chip seal gravel road with ditches, septic systems and water wells. We have a small MUD, but we prefer a well. And we have broadband data and fire hydrants. But no HOA.
@@lakesnake2005 I didn't say that's what happened. I said I suspected that's what they were told. Of course we all know no developer/builder, real estate salesperson, or politician has ever told even a tiny fib.
@@richardfabacher3705 Well, maybe thats a thing in Florida, but in the Midwest where I live we still have honest, hard working local government leaders.
I am really sorry but you get what you pay for. They all knew that there is no pave roads when they bought their property.
Waaaahh. You chose to live there. Get a PO BOX.
Buy cheap bargain basement real estate, expect cheap thrillers. Buyers didn’t move into this situation blindly unless they were actually blind.
thats offensive, a blind person can be aware, they would hear the sand as they were being driven in
@@110311DONTWANTCHANNE saying that blind people are blind is about as offensive as saying that water is wet, get a grip. Your strawman argument twisted his words
@@HaHaThatIsFunny ACE< YOU SAID A BLIND PERSON WOULD NOT KNOW THE ROAD WAS SAND...YES THEY WOULD!
@@110311DONTWANTCHANNE you are wrong, the only person that mentioned sand was you. This is why I call your argument a strawman argument, Google it 😂
@@HaHaThatIsFunny SOME ABLEIST SAID THAT THEY BUYERS WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THE ROAD WAS SAND UNLESS THEY WERE BLIND....if that comment was no longer up, the abuser took it down
Town let developers get C.O’s without holding permits for infrastructure. The fix was in.
".....homes we're somehow built with no drainage system..."? Well, who in hell approved that construction? And, due diligence says that before you make he biggest investment of your life you do your research. Insufferable Florida😒
Rain, sleet, hail, snow....but sand, heck no. -USPS
Haha 😂😂😂
Beat me to it! Great minds think alike!
that’s just a slogan not a promise kind of like protect and serve. They’re not required to do either 🤷🏻♂️
That slogan belongs to the Pony Express, not USPS
How did the country allow the builder to get away with this when the country approved move in permits?
Lmfao....I wouldn't go back to Inverness if they gave me a house.
Tax payers have no responsibility to give these people a road.
If you don’t want to pay taxes move to a third world country
Well a mail truck is not a fully armored APC or off road hummer. Or a abrams tank. Which are designed to go off road in not paved areas.
When they saw the streets PRIOR to buying the house WHY didn't they ask questions? Chances are the house was a BIG BIG BARGAIN so take the bargain and play victim. 😂😂😂😂 Lady, it ain't gonna end in your favor AND nobody else c@res. 😉
Sadly this is nothing new. Back in 2002 we lived in rural Clay County on an unmaintained road. We received notification from the local post office that we had maintain the approach to our mailbox or face suspension. So I put some limerock dirt out and graded it as best I could. I also created a drag to pull behind my pickup to help keep the sand road somewhat better. The mail delivery was done by a contract deliverer who drove a 4-wheel drive, but after heavy storms the road was underwater for days.
You can always get an assessment project and have each homeowner pay their fair share.
I live on basically a jeep track in AZ. Post office won’t deliver on non county maintained roads but UPS are total cowboys.
Now if we could only get UPS to lower their prices to USPS levels.
I live close to Florida and I've been there more than I like and I cannot figure out why anyone would want to live there. It's as bad as Texas.
Its worse
Set up an apartment style mega box with locking bins at the end of the road.
When u live rural it’s a thing.
“some how built without drainage”
Yeah. “some how”… 😂😂😂
Someone had to approve a development without storm drainage and paved roads.
Florida truly is Americas trailer park.
You are 100% correct
The gravel roads in my area are in better shape and USPS never delivered for the area.
UPS and FedEx do.
Normally roads and drainage are in place FIRST, then housing is built.
Got what you paid for!
People buy homes on non paved roads for lower property tax. If they get majority approval of property owners and willing to pay the construction of the roads, maybe the county will install roads.
very bad deal cause city will demand each homeowner put up paved driveway or city will fine you every day & foreclose on house if not paid
Private road.
In my state the infrastructure meaning stormwater drainage, sanitary sewers, municipal water underground electrical service, and cable TV must be installed before house one is built. If you don't have the government, city, municipal authority looking out for this kind of stuff before they issue a building permit, you need new leadership.
Not very smart Florida. In California when a builder pulls permits for a home tract
the first thing to go in is storm sewers, streets, fire hydrants all paid for by the
builder THEN he can begin building the homes. These days all electrical has to go underground. If you dont do it this way the builders will not and local gov will be stuck
with the bill to complete infrastructure.
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This community will become a sinkhole nightmare in no time.
Since when do unpaved roads lead to sinkholes? 😂😂
@@HaHaThatIsFunnywhen they lack drain systems and the road turn into rivers when it rains.
@@averageamericangirl6819 that is not what causes sinkholes. Sinkholes form when underground caves collapse. This happens when the water table drops and they are no longer able to support the ground above. That area is not prone to sinkholes but the county south of it is (Hernando)
@@HaHaThatIsFunny all Florida is basically limestone so all of Florida is prone to sink holes-however sinkholes in Florida are much more common in north Florida compared to south Florida-look at map of sinkhole alley in Florida
@@HaHaThatIsFunny all Florida is basically limestone so all of Florida is prone to sink holes-however sinkholes in Florida are much more common in north Florida compared to south Florida-look at map of sinkhole alley in Florida
Can the PO put up cluster boxes at the entrance?
sure, if main entrance has paved road-
You have to pay for those boxes. I did the research in Florida.
Thats what the letter says the usps is going to install a concrete pad and a cluster box at the nearest intersection in 30 days and that they're offering free po boxes for a few months.
You move into an unassumed neighborhood and this is what you get!
Did you want to save money?, now you got to go to your mail instead of your mail to you
They had to talk to her into making a decision buying that house like that she thought she was getting a deal okay what deal was she getting.
Here in California. Drainage is built first, then property swale, then curbs and driveway ramps, and asphalt
Then the foundation work begins.
I think that FL and Iraq are somewhat similarly desireable.
Yall wanted to live here!!!!!!
What happens during a medical or fire emergency? Can an ambulance or fire truck go through the sand without getting stuck?
?
Wonder how that lack of regulation is working out for them.
"Nor rain nor snow, nor sleet nor hail", they said, could stop the mail...
But they never counted on sandpit streets.
Why did they buy a house there knowing the problem?
So much for "neither rain, snow, nor dead of night". 😢
I used a short cut next to this development and the potholes/ravines were 3rd world. The houses looked decent enough but, you need a 4x4 to get to them and a boat when it rains.
Citrus County lost a big chunk of tax revenue when FPL closed the nuclear power plant.
Fun Fact; Citrus Co is also known as,
"Gods waiting room."
So my first question is why you buy/build a house there if you already know there is no paved road?
Where I live in Florida there are still roads that aren’t paved. Neighbors on one of those roads decided to pool their money and have the road paved. End of the problem.
All those properties were built on shifting sand. Non-delivery of post is the least of their worries.
Looks like the homeowners need to contract for enough base material and compact it and install swales with culverts for each driveway. That is for starters. They knew what they were getting. Stop the crying and open up your wallets.
Makes you wonder if the home foundations are solid.
Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds but a bad road? Fugettaboutit! This nation has gone down the tubes if the lowly pothole can defeat us.
Neither snow nor rain nir heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their apponted rounds. Givernment is a motto that NEVER lives up to the billing.
We have neighborhoods like this in my county in NC. Heavy rains cancels school cuz buses cant get down the roads to pick up the kids.
This is the 21st century. Why are you putting up with that?
Transposition is critical.
@@emilyfeagin2673 I dont live there. People put up with it tho because it's cheap land. They could all come together and pave the road since it's not the city or state's responsibility but that's too much like right
Really..school busses to pick up baby goats..😅
@@clevelandlamar407 😆😆
Lesson learned… don’t buy in a sand pit. Or in a place with no drainage.
Residents should pool resources and get the road paved. Awful an option as that might be...
The USPS reserves the right to suspend deliveries wherever they see
fit & make residents come to the local post office and pickup their mail.
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I know here in the northwest, there are specialty vehicles that are provided for the rural areas even 4x4 jeeps.. sorry for you guys in Florida
I can't see how this happened. Were the roads passable like a normal dirt road would be but the original road material has washed away and all that is left is sand? Florida has had a laissez faire approach to enforcing building codes, but following Hurricane Andrew it seemed like they became a little more serious about building codes. Did city building inspectors really pass the construction of the roads in this development? Maybe the city's idea was that the roads were on private property and the people building the roads could do what they wanted?
So, wait, USPS can deliver to the bottom of the Grand Canyon, but not in Florida??
Damn, look that those roads!
Typical whiners, buy the property seeing that the roads do not exist, then complain. SMH
If the roads are all sand then what are the houses built on?
It's a private road, the municipality or county does not own roadway right away. Without legal right of way the municipality or county has no legal right to even build a road.
Somebody ran away with the money
now the road are pathetic but the post office action even more so. they go out in the everglades to deliver mail.. the post office should maybe complain to the city but not suspend mail delivery to ppl that have no control
neither rain nor snow, sandpit roads are just too much
What are sandpit streets
Tell the Governor to use some of that Fed money and build you some type of road. Ridiculous.
He’s too busy fighting “ wokeness” isn’t he?
Nothing like being concerned with imaginary problems when real ones state you in the face
I think it's even more ridiculous that you have no clue how government works 😂. This is not a state issue, this is a bankrupt developer issue. The state and the county have no business building private roads, that would lead to abuses like billionaires getting free roads from the state on their properties. Don't buy property on private roads if you don't want to pay to maintain them, it's literally in the deed when you sign it.
Private road....cant use money for that. Its all homeowners on street to pay for road.
Well, that's what you get when you buy a house with no street and no drainage system.
Watch out for those mosquitoes as well
I live in Florida nothing but flies and mosquitoes 🪰🦟🤬.
@DateMike22 Maine here. Don't fool around, use 40% deet spray when near standing water. The EEE virus is crazier this year in Florida.
@@DateMike22 and noseeums
Clear the county. Everybody out. Wildlife preserve only. It's a flood zone anyway, no one should live there.
When you control the mail, you control information!
Florida always leaves with the feeling... follow the money.
I’m surprised that they got their mail delivered in the first place and not into one of those community mailboxes, it’s a cheap enough fix if anything that’s what they should be pushing for at those town meetings. Also what the hell happened with the developers and that road?! I’ve been down many a janky dirt road but that would be absolutely impassable in something like a compact or a sports car that’s low to the ground, never mind in the rain. And doesn’t the Bible have a warning about building one’s house in the sand?
Fix your streets Ron
These are private roads, not the government's responsibility to maintain them. They signed a deed telling them that when they bought their properties. Personal accountability has disappeared in our country. Fly by night developers are also to blame in this
Maaan them LLVs can’t make it in them roads, especially after a storm… get cluster boxes at the end of the street
Noone will buy if they see this
I install NDCBUs as a function of my employment, and that's what the neighborhood/builder should have to purchase. This sucks, and I guarantee it didn't get cut off until after a Grumman LLV or Mercedes Metris RHD van got stuck, most likely the Metris, I never got an LLV stuck in the 12 years I was a carrier. The developer sucks here, not the USPS. This is not the official opinion of the postal service.
There is a neighborhood in Illinois called INVERNESS they have extremely expensive house’s in that subdivision ‼️
everyone has already chimed in that it was unwise for people to move to a neighborhood without a paved road in the first place. So I'm gonna add something else.
THE USPS IS MORE THAN 200 YEARS OLD. So calling it a "Modern Convenience" is inaccurate.
Sad
People want unincorporated taxes but this is the end result. I know street in my town one side is City the street is paved ane maintained the other is county. theres a huge drop off to a dirt road with Craters and it looks like the Amazon when it rains.
Wait till the water level rises
Let the college grads who had the Government pay their student loans donate to build the road 👍
Wonder why the channel has no number. Lived there for several years until 2016, never saw that ABC channel. Hmmmmm
Who builds/buys a home where there is no street?
could it also be in part the horrible leadership of USPS Dejoy and his desire to destroy that system? and coming from rural mud country, clustered boxes right near the entrances but still on pavement. nothing new. it's not as convenient but neither is getting your delivery truck stuck, delaying all the mail for everyone else who lives down the route
Well.....aint that the pits😂
Lol
She sells a sea shells solution
No zoning
Let the neighbors buy a tank so they can get their mail.
I'll give advice for free, don't buy a house on a dirt road.
if they want to fix it. Raise money and fix it yourself. City never helps
Welcome to Stupid people in America, Hey that should be a new title for a TV show
If the government cared about you, they would give us healthcare.
Well come out to AZ ,less of 50% of residence get mail at home ,even big cities you haveto walk 2 blocks to a mailbox cluster