One that I've often seen in print is that with the CB750K0, Honda created the first four-cylinder, electric start, and disc braked motorcycle. In fact, the first bike with all those characteristics was the MV Agusta 4C launched in 1966.
@@davebarrowcliffe1289 well probably But as ever it’s not quite that simple with the first description of a disc brake on a production bike being fitted to an Excelsior before WWI however no examples survive as it wasn’t a popular option so it’s hard to know what it actually looked like, but for now the scoot is a fairly safe bet Maybe 🤔
actually not so, AJS created the first four cylinder bike, a v4, with disc brakes, allbeit mechanically operated, and if memory serves was originally designed with electric start, it was also overhead cammed, in 1936, in fact, this was the year that it went racing and grew a supercharger and a watercooling jacket into the bargain, @@bikerdood1100 I allways loved that bike, so futuristic that it looks like it should have been built in the sixties. I think they dropped the road model in favour of a racing machine as the thing was horribly expensive and looked fiercesomely complex. I seem to recall that the design was originally conceived in 1933, but don't quote me on that!
@@michelguevara151 well luckily I’ve seen the AJS V4 TT bike at the miller museum and it’s equipped with drum breaks. If I remember correctly it actually raced in the 39 TT but didn’t go. Well at all, too complex, a Blown BMW won incidentally, I’ve seem that bike running As a GP bike it had no starter of any kind but was water cooled land supercharged The earlier V4 from around 33 was quite different. It ran a single overhead cam and was air cooled, it never got beyond preproduction prototype and as far as I’m aware no complete machines have survived. An Australian engineer I believe has built a quite faithful replica however. The V4 GP bike was a total flop unfortunately so AMC developed the porcupine to replace it. This was an air cooled OHC parallel twin with its cylinders mounted near horizontal to make room for a blower. After the war superchargers were band so the porcupine was rolled out unsupercharged with fairly minimal modifications but still won the first 500 GP world title with les Graham aboard in 1949
Back in 1980, I too had someone telling me very loudly that the 'cheesecutter' front numberplate on my Matchless was illegal; like so many of this type of person he refused to listen to my explanation that it wasn't 'illegal', it was just 'not a legal requirement'.... Re the two stroke oil dispensers, I can go one better 😀 - in 1977 when I had my (premix) Puch Grand Prix, our local garage still had a pump which delivered premixed petrol. Hand operated, the attendant would set the ratio to whatever you requested, then hand pump your tank full. Saved trying to guess how much petrol you had room for so you could put the appropriate amount of oil in first!!!
Yes I remember Shell stations ( self service) that had a 2stroke oil dispenser on wheels by the pumps. you had to wheel it to the pump you were using , and turn the dial to your chosen ratio , put the hose into your tank and push the plunger down once per every gallon of petrol you put in , replace your fuel cap and give the bike a shake! You then went to the cash desk and paid for the petrol, plus 5p or so for every " shot" of 2stroke !!
Yes those "petroil" pumps were on every forecourt once, I remember them well they were very useful as they mixed t required amount of oil as it was dispensed.
As Texmotodad said, thanks for metioning Valentine Page. Val often gets overlooked these days, yet his contribution to the British motorcycle industry was huge; Turner certainly cribbed from Val's 1933 Triumph 6/1 design when he (Turner) designed the 5T. Indeed, given that Val also designed the BSA A7, it could be arguably put that Val Page was the father of the British parallel twin.
The Triumph 5T and subsequent derivatives use 2 camshafts - one in front for the inlet and one behind the cylinders for the exhaust. The Triumph 6/1 uses a single camshaft behind the cylinders. The BSA A7/10 designed by Val Page and Bert Hopwood use the same camshaft layout as Val Page's design for the 6/1.
@@geoffreypiltz271 Yes, the Triumph 5T onwards use two camshafts, but I think the layout has the one behind the cylinders for the inlet and the one in front for the exhaust. The 6/1 and the A7/10 do indeed have a single camshaft, mounted behind the cylinders.
Nicely done! Some very patriotic Triumph owner was droning on about how great that all British company was our heritage etc. I was going to point out that Triumph started when a german put a belgian engine into a pushbike frame, but I though I would check with you first!
That is true A Manirva engine I believe However it was two Germans in fact Bettman & Shultz Bet man would go on to be Mayor of Coventry incidentally The fact that they were German explains the establishment of a German Triumph factory, these are often bagged as TWN in the UK to avoid confusion with home market bikes I intend to do a video on the influence of migrants on the UK bike industry It was huge and all too often discounted, but an awful lot of bike companies would never existed otherwise I expect it will have people up in arms but to ignore history simply because it doesn’t suit their view of the world is the ultimate stupidity History is history Good or bad, for better or worse
A few other motorcycling myths dispelled: The Suzuki T500 was not the first 500cc 2 stroke production twin. It was the 1937 CZ 500 production twin. The disc brake was invented in 1906 and the drum brake in 1907. The first production over the counter "Ton Up" street 250 was the 1938 Rudge Rapide. It was a 4 valve 4 stroke single with a phosphor bronze head. Needless to say, it was expensive for its day. The first recorded motorcycling fatality was an American, one Mr. Roper in 1895, who suffered a heart attack whilst riding his steam motorcycle at 70+ MPH around a velodrome. He was in his 60's at the time.
There is an account of an excelsior fitted with a disc break Non survive unfortunately so it’s hard to know for sure it they resemble a modern day disc Need to be a video on breaks 🤔
Well the earlier Scotts were 500 twins and that’s before WW1 so definitely not CZ either 20years too late Scott two strokes started life as a 450 before growing to 500 and then 600c. Their TT racers would have been 500s to compete in the senior in the 1920s The Rudge 250 couldn’t do a ton, not on petrol at least The 500 could and that used radial valves to do it The 250 maybe in race trim but definitely not in standard road trim In th3 words of Mr Scott It just disney have the power captain
Thank you, very interesting. The front mudguard no longer being fitted is something I remember as a boy. You were spot on when you said that common wisdom said that it was to stop pedestrians being dismembered in a collision.
I think you've got the dates wrong in the item about front number plates. I bought a new Norton 850 Commando in August 1974, and at that time a front number plate was still required. The requirement was removed (and so was the plate) during the 2 years I owned that bike, and pedestrian safety was the reason given at the time (my aluminium plate was mounted transversely above the headlight, where it could cut my throat if I crashed).
@@bikerdood1100 You did actually say the 1960s (4.04), so as this video is about correcting misconceptions, I thought it was worth contributing my recollection from that time.
Definitely remember N reg tridents and commandos with the curved black on white front plate over the headlight/ front of the clocks. Looked rubbish but I did think it had been there because of legislation against the ped slicer. I’d rather be hit by a bar than a blade tbh if I had to choose!
I had a new bike in the same year as rickconstant, and it definitely had a front guard number plate. Valanced guards where a transfer could be used, were out of fashion by '74-75 but the MZ Trophy still had them. Another issue of the era was the placement of L-plates, which could be "permanently" used on bikes up to 250 and included the super-moped boom. These were frequently cut down and almost horizontal, attracting the ire of traffic police. It has also been claimed that "kidney cutter" headlight cowls had been banned on cars and motorcycles, but some Royal Enfield still come with them in 2023.
Oh there’s a lot more that that Disc valves for the racers 2 speed transmission before the development of the gear box Oh and he invented the kick start
Excellent video. Bound to cause arguments down the pub on a Friday night! I have a request for a video - You mentioned the Scott company & their 2-strokes, bikes that have held a fascination for me for as long as I can remember. I would forever in your debt if you could do a video on them &/or their latter day cousins, the Silk motorcycles built in the '70s. They both always seemed to be under rated considering how advanced they were for their time (the Scotts, not so much the Silks, although I vaguely remember bike journos loving them at the time) Thanks in advance.
@@garys4756 no I didn’t forget I just didn’t mention it as it’s not relevant to that particular video It is something I’ve discussed man6 times previously in my videos Need to do an in depth video on Scott at some point
Yep, that's what I've read too. They may have assembled their first bike in 1903 but they didn't actually sell one until 1904. But why let the facts interfere with a good story, eh? ;)
I live a few miles away from Chard "the home of powered flight". Well before the Wright brothers made the first (?) *manned* powered flight a powered heavier than air plane had flown. Chard has a museum about this. For some years (in the 80s??) it was Husqvarna, and not Harley-Davidson, who held the record for the longest motorcycle production in the same plant. H-D moved factories early on. They may be longest again since Husqvarna stopped (?). It was in the 70s (not the 60s) that I was permitted to remove the front number plate from my Bonneville DVY158K. It was not a "cheese-cutter" on the front mudguard but the rarely seen alternative of a small transverse plate above the headlight. I suspect they removed the front plate requirement because they were of little use to pursuing police. Thanks for starting my day with such an interesting piece.
Well that was a model plane of course But Maxim ( the machine gun guy) Flew a steam powered aircraft further than the Wright brothers more than a decade before in front of a large crowd of several hundred people including the Prince of Wales He didn’t develop it further because he said it wasn’t practical until a lighter more efficient engine became available
@@bikerdood1100 Just to add to this conversation. John Stringfellows earlier plane had a wingspan of 20ft so not sure that can be considered a model. Currently the worlds certificated smallest airplane is the Starr Bumble Bee with a wingspan of only 5ft6in. Also in 1842 Stringfellow patented the design of his Aerial Steam Carriage and in 1843 registered The Aerial Transit Company, the worlds first airline company. His later plane 1848 had a wingspan of 10ft and flew for 10yrds at a speed of 12mph so was the worlds first powered flight. However, it was the arrival of the internal combustion engine that really made powered flight more practical.
@bikerdood1100 I'm sorry but I simply must call bullcrap on this. I greatly enjoy your work but powered heavier than air flight prior to the Wrights is poppycock. The steam engine has nowhere NEAR the power-to-weight for flight- as evidenced by NOBODY EVER MAKING A STEAM POWERED airplane since, not even a retro replica. Also, his propellers are utterly awful. Again, no one has ever flown with similar propellers BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK. Anyone that achieved flight would have had to address the coefficient of lift, 3 Axis control and adverse yaw - which were discussed at length in the Wrights'correspondence, but are unaddressed by ALL of the pretenders. I'm not just saying this as a Yank -- PLEASE look up the Wright flyer in Paris -- the French were at the forefront of attempting aviation at the time and THEY proclaimed " He flies!" - when all of thier best efforts were uncontrolled hops. The original 1903 Flyer just BARELY flew - in fact, if not for the strong wind and very dense, cold air they might not have succeeded that day, but they were years ahead of the rest. Those stubborn, "uneducated " mid-westerners really did the thing no man had done AND THEY WROTE EVERY DARN THING DOWN. The documented controlled flights they demonstrated after TEACHING THEMSELVES TO FLY WITHOUT DYING cannot be disputed by any serious evaluation of the matter - flying AND living, now that's the rub.. With all due respect to you, I beg your pardon.
Thanks for updating me on those telescopic forks. I may have read it in the book "Matchless", as well. (Which I must have buried,somewhere ;-) I just came to think about the japanese 400 ccm bikes of the late 7ties: while 400 and larger are 2 classes in Japan, there where some 440ccm bikes like the Kawasaki and (special edition) Suzuki. The 400 class beeing restricted to 27hp , in Germay, i.e. the Yamaha XS400 was 39hp elsewhere. I was just wondering: how much hp where the rest of them, outside of Germany? The Suzuki GS 400 was praised for the best brakes, the best quality of paint...the Kawasaki 440 (never came here as a 400) for vibrating the most. Only talking twins. My brother later had that CB 400 four. Another story. But those four stoke twins where very popular in the 27hp class. Underrated, these days I think. Pretty bulletproof. As a beginner bike? What more that 27 or 39hp do you need as a daily commuter? My brother and 2 friends went 10.000km on them to travel Europe, after highschool.
In the UK, front number plates stopped being compulsory, on motorcycles & mopeds, on the 1st January 1975. Having owned and ridden bikes with "Pedestrian Castrators" on the front mudguard. the sad fact is that sudden hard side on gusts of wind cause the handlebars to kick because the number plate catches the wind..
CZ has beaten me to this - I got my first bike brand new in 1974 and that had the front plate, also I bought another bigger new bike in 1975 which also had a front plate and I remember taking that one off that year because the law changed and I thought it would help not get caught if falling foul of the cops.
My XT 500 had two pieces of rip your guts out steel to mount a number plate above the headlight when I got it in 1980. I don’t know when front number plates were discontinued here in Australia but that doesn’t really matter because I didn’t register it for about 44 years. It’s been a fun bike.
Well only because they are built in the republic of India Still the same company, it’s as dumb as say Phelon & More aren’t Panther because the name isn’t the same 😂 We all know about the badge, not like we all live under a rock 🎅🏻😂
In Australia well into the seventies and possibly in some states into the 80'seighties, steel front number plates were a requirement. However and rather unfortunately a Police motorcyclist ran into a woman at a pedestrian crossing in Dandenong Victoria and amputated her leg. Or the injuries were severe enough that an amputation happened. This finally made the authorities understand what we had been saying for years, that steel plate number plates on the (back then) steel mudguard was a weapon in disguise. The front numberplate requirement was dropped a very short time after this unfortunate incident. The State of NSW still required a front numberplate, or so it seemed. One lawyer who was defending a motorcyclist who was fined for not having a front numberplate fitted correctly, took it to court. Subsequently it was found that the motor vehicle act only stipulated that a motorcycle must have two numberplates attached to the machine. It didn't specify exactly where they had to be fitted to the motorcycle. NSW authorities very shortly after losing that case re-wrote the rules and stated that a numberplate should be fitted to the rear, and they specified exactly where, but removed the requirement for a front or second numberplate on a motorcycle. The reason, well it seemed that when motor vehicles arrived on the scene, some people reversed away from a bicycle mounted Police officer, so a front numberplate was then required to be fitted. Motorcycles don't (in general) have reverse, so they didn't need to have a front numberplate. This was also in the eighties. If ever you get a chance to visit the Deutche Zwierad Museum in Germany, do so. There you will see some very interesting motorcycles that many people think originated in the UK, think war reparations as to why many of those German designs ended up in the UK.
Of course the injury is as much related to being hit by a bike I suspect From experience direct amputation doesn’t happen like in B movies but more severe fractures an£ the loss of blood supply Remember a mud guard is the same thing but rotated through 90degrees which in a trauma situation is the same thing In the Uk many bikes fitted them to the side of the mud guard, like my A10 A lot of later bikes used plastic plates which really cancelled the safety argument as they are far less dangerous than the rest of the bike Interesting history 🎄
Well I was hoping for a wider view on all world bikes. Decent review. Had a 750 triumph bonnie, my favorite. Currently on a 1987 10th anniversary Harley, FXLR
Excellent job. As an old rider also, always interesting to fill in the blanks in tech knowlege. I,ve adjusted the autolube on a 73 rd350, and felt the front end response on a 52 nimbus as well as 74 75/6 bmw. Still prefer a bike with some character, even if it says honda on it.
I am glad I watched this video if for no other reason than potting the differences between cars and motor cycles! I did have to replay the video several times at this part but I think I've got it now.
Definitely an interesting video on Motorcycle facts. I know about Royal Enfield being the Oldest and Longest surviving Manufacturer though i didn't know about Peugeot 😂😂😂 And what a Shame the British Manufacturers did not consider the Automatic Lubrication Feature on their Machines. 😮
@@sirgalah561 two point here Scooters have an engine and wheels Peugeot have never only just made scooters and currently do include geared bikes in their range Oh an£ #cooters didn’t excise when they started making bikes Mote study required I think 🙄😂😂😂
*Yes* - Why is the stand on the left? Why is the brake pedal on the right? How did we arrive at a convention for clutch, gear shifter and chain drive on the left, throttle and front brake on the right. Why do (most) motorcycles have a wet clutch?
Left side stand. Because horses are traditionally mounted from left side in order to mount as you carry your sword on your left side. It is easier to get on a bike leaning towards you. First ad for a side stand I've seen was the Harley jiffy stand in 1923. Vincent has both left and right side stands. Change of shift lever from the right side to the other side was because of US legislation in the seventies. Possibly Harley lobbying. Indian had throttle left for many years. Short answer is that a dry clutch needs more service. The long answer is very long, covering a lot of different aspects.
Here in the states, I always thought those plates were weird and the Australian plate sat frontways whichever. To me I refer to s\them as Citizen splicers.
Always think it’s a bit of a dumb name, one of a few given to them. Strange how with 5 stories it’s the number plate that gained the most comments. For me it was the least interesting I’m all snout the engineering
*Re: Problems with the Ariel Square Four* While working as a columnist for _Canadian Biker Magazine_ I interviewed Bert Hopwood who was a contemporary of Messrs Page and Turner at Ariel. He was of the opinion (and I quote): _The Ariel Square Four did not have the strength to pull the skin off a rice pudding._
Not terribly relevant to the video, although also not surprising for a couple of reasons Hopwood often demonstrates animosity towards Edward Turner A four stroke square four is a difficult design in terms of respiration, you can’t get air to flow through the thing which of course is why people like Matchless and Honda built V4s which are also easier to cool of course too. The square four does have the virtues of compactness and perfect primary balance in its favour however
Great video but I thought the requirement to have a front number plate was removed in the 1970s. I remember removing the front plate from my 1974 RD250 in 75 or 76. It wouldn't have been on an M reg. '74 bike if it wasn't required when new. Also, they weren't flimsy. They were a rigid metal blade fitted to your metal mudguard.
It was Wasn’t really interested in the date as it was not relevant to the myth at all 1975 incidentally 1969 the move to yellow plates A lot used plastic by then and they were less rigid than a mud guard in reality
@@bikerdood1100 absolutely 😂. Even if one was there at the time (I was when the number plate thing happened 🧓) the information got muddled by journalists rewriting it so we end up with half truths. 😅
Love my ‘18 R1200GSA, not great at anything but competent and fun no matter what. Touring is the best mode but it is awesome To be able to explore more than I ever could in a GoldWing or a sport touring machine. I’m very happy with her.
You do seem to lean towards the heavy We have toured on machines of all sizes and found smaller machines just as effective And much much more fuel efficient, something very important over great distances
@@bikerdood1100 the funny thing is compared to the gold wings I’ve had (3 1200, 1500 & 1800) & the Harleys (ElectraGlide & 2 different RoadGlides) the BMW GSA is a lightweight compared to those. 😀
Royal enfield is not the longest continuous manufacturer, when the redditch factory closed in 1970 that was the end of Royal enfield. The confusion arises with the Indian factory which wasn't Royal enfield it was enfield India. It was only in the last few years that an Indian entrepreneur bought the rights to use the Royal enfield name. The motorbike they manufactured during the war was a folding bike called the flying flea, that paratroopers used.
It was the same company There is no confusion at all they were separate later because of Indian ownership laws that’s all and they didn’t use the Royal because they were being built in the Indian Republic 🙄 It’s the same situation as TWN and Triumph Doesn’t make them different companies at all I had an Enfield of of India Bullet so you not really telling me anything new here It wasn’t a company building replicas now was it 🙄 The flying flea was based on the RT 125 incidentally
Val Page. Then there was the Arieal Arrow. What a nightmare to work on 😱I had the misfortune own !! Try taking the Dummy Tank off changing the coils rectifier etc 🤮
the first manned flight was by a couple of New Zealand guys, the first lightbulb was by a Scottish bloke and the list goes on. Americans seem to re-write history to suit themselves.
Well the first manned flight was an American but not the Wright Brothers of course Maxim’s flight was a few years earlier still but was almost accidental but he did have hundreds of witnesses including the Prince of Wales Swann did make the first incandescent light bulb a Scott as you say Theses days most sensible publications with the first controlled flight but even this is in some doubt
@@danweyant4909 you know who writes the history dont you ? thats after they plan and create it first! why do you think they are so secretive when you join a m@s0nic Lodge?
Two Facts. First Angus Scott had left Scott long before the 1920s when this video states the Scott motorcycle got the oil injection pump. Second The Val Page/Edward Turner legend is clearly written up by another basically forgotten scion of British motorcycle design Bert Hopwood(in "What Ever Happened To The British Motorcycle Industry") who was the apprentice taking readings and notes on the dyno run of the halved Ariel Square 4, only 2 rear cylinders installed, when Val made the famous statement about 2 cylinders more efficiently making power that the square 4. While Val Page was known for watchmaker like designs and Edward Turner for over complicating some designs, Bert Hopwood used his experiences to become the man who could simplify many designs for economy and manufacturing efficiency.
Is 1919 long before They had auto oiling by then And the machine I show is from 1908 as states Didn’t Hopwwod design the Norton jubilee ? Not a great bike it must be said Horrors views are interesting but are definitely tainted by his dislike of Turner. Understandable as Turner was rather dictatorial but his views are tainted non the less As for the square four it was always going to be asthmatic in a four stroke engine
Re the front 'pedestrial slicer' numberplates, I think they were no longer required from the 60s but were actually banned on new bikes from the mid to late 2000s. Perhaps someone can confirm or correct.
A visit to Prague is recommended if you're interested in historical motorcycles. The Technology museum has an impressive collection of rare motorcycles
I had a 2nd hand 1975 Honda 400/4 and the front mudguard had holes in it for the bacon slicer front numberplate. I have never seen one fitted with the plate but the first batch of mudguards must have been made and fitted before the legislation changed.
@@ludo9234 well that’s what they used to say at least Don’t now if the aided cooling but they definitely added a bit of. Unsprung weight Looked cool though😎
Would be nice if it were true but unfortunately the Rickman interceptor came out as a limited run machine in 1970 So the Honda was already in production and the Rickman was a parallel twin of course
@@andrewoh1663The Honda was first shown in the UK at a bike show in Brighton of all places in 1969 so there were a few on the roads in Britain by 1970 and the appearance of the Rickman
I remember seeing bodysplitters on bikes in breaker's yards decades ago, they were all smooshed flat and none had remnants of pedestrians' entrails, which sort of disappointed me at the time. I was told that they were 'now illegal', which isn't the case, as you eplained, the requirement was abolished, but you could still fit one if you wanted to. I decided not to, because it didn't live up to it's nickname.. ..I was young too, once.
Well that’s nicknames for you I wonder if there were any actual major injuries associated with the things I’ve never read of any real incidents It reminds me of all those urban myth tales of cats suffocating babies in their cots. I don’t believe there has ever been a single incident of this but it doesn’t stop people believing it 🤦♂️
4:45 The thing is the number plate isn't going to hit you on the head, it's going to disembowel you. Maybe I should put scythes on my bike like a chariot.
What total nonsense Modern crash bars are much more likely to cause massive head and internal injuries The whole thing is a bit of a myth Trust my I’ve worked in trauma for 3 decades I don’t get my info from pub talk I deal in cold hard facts and not BS
Just because crash bars are more likely, as you say, doesn't take away the danger of a blade on a mudguard. Any protuberance on a moving vehicle has the potential to cause injury. That's a cold hard fact.@@bikerdood1100
I'd be a lot more concerned about the 400# motorcycle it's attached to! If you are in a position to come into violent contact with the top of the front fender, your day is about to get a lot worse than a cut from a thin plate ( which you could put a 1/2 inch edge on in nothing flat). Don't worry about the peanuts, you have an elephant problem
Great and informative ! Why not do this on exclusively Harley Davidson ? You could possibly save lives ; as I’ve heard A- hole guys in bars practically want to kill each over - “ when did Harley install the first electric starter “ ? Bla ha ha !!! ( but you’ll have the wannabe experts correcting you too ! ) lol 😂
Interesting question Or first five speed transmission In both cases I’d say too late 😂 One interesting fact is that the rubber mounts used on the sportsters was originally developed here in the UK by Triumph. They sold the design to HD and then licensed it back to fit to some very late T140s. It’s a development of car engine mounts and quite different to the system used by Norton on the Commando
@@bikerdood1100 Very cool . I’ve owned 13 of them from a 1953 to my new 2018 FXLR Low Rider . Since you brought it up ; I did actually own a 1980 FLT 80” Tour Glide . First 5 - speed transmission , and the frame mounted fairing . It was an 80” shovelhead , and had a unique final chain drive system that was totally “ enclosed “ and it rolled around in an oil bath ! lol 😂
Interesting question 🧐 Hope not in a way because that would leave RE I would say WWI definitely and possibly WWII But that would be an unfortunate technicality I think
Interesting question. I know that a Royal Enfield 350 was built and used as a despatch rider's bike during WWII because a neighbour when I was young had been a DR and mentioned to me that their standard issue bike was a Royal Enfield. When America entered the war they were given Harley Davidsons, but most found them too heavy and cumbersome so switched back to the RE. Peugeot, on the other hand, was in occupied France, and as a long-time military historian I have to say I've never heard of Peugeot bikes being made or used during the war, though perhaps they were made on a very small scale. I also strongly suspect that the Germans used Peugeot's manufacturing capacity to make something more useful to them, as they did with France's other engineering industries.
@@Kevin-mx1vi well there were a number of bikes which were used by the British armed forces during the war, the BSA being the most numerous As the the HDs the army gave them to people who had car rather than motorcycle experience because of the foot clutch, they were on the heavy side though to be too clever over rough terrain
@@bikerdood1100 Yes, I knew that BSAs were also used because back in the 70's a local businessman I knew bought an anonymous crate at an army surplus sale and found 3 BSA despatch rider's bikes in it ! They were effectively brand new, covered in storage grease, exactly as they'd left the factory during the war. If memory serves, they had sidevalve engines, though I only got a brief look at one of them and can't remember much else about them.
There are a couple of historical facts l never knew about but the oil injection system for two strokes and it was the Scott that was the first and of course the Royal Enfieid is the longest produced motorcycle and are still been made in India and sold in Australia with the front numberplate they disappeared in Australia in the l think in the late 1970s and have not returned although there have been proposals to bring them back because of forward facing speed cameras and every motorcyclist who sees a forward facing speed camera will speed up and not be booked because the camera will take a picture but no number plate and the number plates were visible from the front and as motorcycle design has changed there probably no space for a front number plate on a modern motorcycle
@@bikerdood1100 you’re right. I thought Guzzi was older. Peugeot does not count anyhow. Doesn’t exist anymore as a company. Its only a brand of Stellanis, a car company. Never produced anything but scooters…
Could it be that Moto Guzzi has the longest production in the same facilities? I think I've read something about that. I like your films, and reading these comments. Happy new year!
@@Fr99763 well wrong for a number of reasons Remember Ducati is part of a larger company To right it off as a car company because they make more cars is total nonsense Er BMW 🙄 Their range usually and still does include geared bikes which they started making before they got into car building And worst of all We don’t do bike snobbery on this channel so scooters mopeds and R1s all count Tut tut 😂
Have Peugeot continuously made motocycles since producing their first model? I'm not disputing, just genuinely surprised as they're pretty much unheralded for producing motorbikes.
Well they are of course much better known for cars They also produced bicycles in huge numbers well into the 80s had one myself in the 70s The fact that in recent years it’s been mainly small bikes and scooters hasn’t helped but it’s worth noting that in the 90s the Soeesfight scooter was the UKs best selling two wheeler It’s rather like how we forget that Kawasaki’s main business was aviation and indeed still is I suppose
@@bikerdood1100 I know Peugeot's main business was bicycles at one point and they in fact made pro racing cycles and I also remember the ubiquitous Speedfight which was arguably the og of that type of scooter but they did have a period in their history when they were solely a munitions manufacturer - there's a great episode of Top Gear where Clarkson relates the entire history of the company and I don't think that they have continuously produced motorcycles. They are however, an engineering company through and through. Imagine if they had embraced motorcycles in the same way that they have cars.
So just to be clear Your using notoriously bike hating Cock Clarkson as an information resource on a video about motorcycles 🤦ffs If he even bothered to mention 2 wheelers it would be a miracle Is this comment a joke?
Is it a myth Hard to say I know when I’m filtering people move aside when I arrive on the Guzzi but Ignore Debs quiet Honda I’m aware research doesn’t agree with the notion but sending out and visual signal is effective in other circumstances outside of motorcycles, we use alarms in Hospitals after all I wonder if the notion that the don’t help is based on any actual research, and if so was the the repeated because any piece of research must be repeated in order to be verified It’s a bit like keeping your toothbrush near to you toilet It’s never actually been researched but is taken as fact Sorry about the long answer
To be honest, it "may" have had some truth to it back in the days when cars had quarter windows but nowadays, it's pretty unlikely considering how most cars constantly have their windows up to control the cabin temperature with heating & air-conditioning & the stereos up too!
It was claimed the "whispering" LE Velocette was dangerous because the engine was so quiet. It didn't stop rural bobbies riding them, though perhaps the silent approach worked in their favour.
If only 😂😂😂 A wonderfully naive observation Although what people often believe to be facts can be very factually incorrect Try watching the video and all is clear and obvious 😂😂
Great video - and here’s another “fact” that isn’t factual: the BMW roundel is inspired by an aircraft propellor. Total BS. Have a look at the Bavarian flag and coat of arms - and recall that the “B” in BMW stands for “Bayerisch” which means Bavarian…in German. Duhhhhh…..ACHTUNG!
@@jeffward9174 in 1974, I got my first moped at the tender age of 16, it was brand new, no front number plate and petrol was 50p a gallon and two shots of oil 50p.
@@orwellboy1958 Bang on about fuel prices, 50p a gallon including 2-T squirts from the forecourt pump. I think you're incorrect about the numberplate, still compulsory in 74.
Friend of mine has fully running Scott from twenties. I'm out constantly on my Yamaha two strokes. Hard to do here in the US where we got cut off thanks to Honda in cahoots with the EPA lobbying Congress collapsing the two stroke street scene here. I love the honeycomb radiators on the Scott and period race cars such as the Bugatti. Heading out on the trails on my '88 DT50/LC as we speak...the only liquid cooled enduro two stroke of any make fully street legal ever sold in the USA. Thanks Honda. Eat your shorts, you should have been banned from racing two strokes in 500 GP and forced to race your embarrassing oval pistoned otto cycle laughing stock.
Two from the USA. 1) Modern Indian claims to be "America's First Motorcycle." Not true. Several US makes were delivering machines in 1901 before Indian began in 1902, including Orient, Thomas, Mitchell, Merkel and probably others. 2) Harley-Davidson claims 1903 as their first year for selling motorcycles. Not true. Production actually began in the spring of 1905.
Learn your history Maxims flight was further than the first flight of the wright flyer and several years earlier and was witnessed by several hundred people including the then Prince of whales future king He abandoned further worker because he said it would be impractical until a more efficient engine was available The Wright Brothers are described as such mainly because they added efficient control but mainly because when the Smithsonian requested to install the flyer the condition they posed was that non of their publications should mention earlier aircraft Very litigious the wright Brothers So Er Pub talk my arse I’d say Best do a bit of research mate 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What you fail to explain is why the requirement to fit a number plate to the front of a motorcycle was removed from the legislation that covers motor bikes. Many would still argue that the reason was to reduce the severity of injuries to pedestrians when involved in a collision with a motorcycle.
They would argue that but that’s not what the legislation actually says As I described they were never actually band, which is what the myth states after all 🙄 There’s no real evidence about the injuries however, it’s merely assumed and given that many bikes were using plastic ones by the 70s it’s difficult to imagine them posing any actual risk, a mud guard is really no different and in a trauma situation, I’ve worked in trauma for 30years, weather it’s vertical like a number plate or horizontal like a mud guard makes scant difference other than in the imaginations of some contributors. One look at a motorcycle head on and common sense should tell you that the crash bars present a far greater threat to pedestrians You should read some of the injury reports related to car bull bars, I have and it makes a mockery of this myth. Also for the record the information about the removal of requirement comes from conversations with MOT testers over the years not pub talk of internet searches,so the horses mouth so to speak. Had they been actually been banned it would have been retrospectively I realise that this has been taken as Costello for many years but so was BMW and their tele forks and that was BS too
We’re you a motorcyclist when the requirement to have a front numberplate was removed or are you relying on Wikipedia for you so called facts. The front numberplate was removed for safety reasons. Your suggestion that manufacturers saved on the cost is also bollocks, the cost has always been down to the purchaser as part of the on the road costs. Poor facts, a UA-cam Chanel to be avoided.
If your had paid attention to the video you rude old fart you may have gathered that i don’t get info from Wiki I talked to the horses mouth at MOT test centres you prat Good luck finding information like that on Wiki Be my guest But you can stick to the info given out from bar room crap if you wish Please not many later bikes used plastic number plates negating the safety argument completely Please define the difference in real world terms between, remembering I’ve worked in trauma for 30 years between the number plate and a metal mud guard other than orientation which in an impact situation makes absolutely no difference? I was around in 75 I just don’t try to drink and smoke myself to an early grave Just as well given pub talk is a source of moronic misinformation Honestly do I really need the import of closed minded idiots who have not a clue what they’re are commenting on Do try to search information of that kind on WiKi. Be my guest because I seriously doubt that kind of information is on their I asked people who actually know the law rather that trolling old hacks FYI The Earth is round, we did go to the moon and vaccines work 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Load of crap , look at old Nortons the shaft drive Sunbeams & Now rare Douglas Dragonfly like my late dad had , the silent vellocette LE . Goldies . At the next village east Beniarres on sunday the bikers cant believe I kickstarted my last A Norton 600 single , had advance retard ign & those strange things carbs with hand chokes , now its all water cooled fuel injection & electricvstart . A brit 50cc with many gears easily 100mph on the manx races . The ( if you can afford insurance ) Hayabusa . Fifth the price of a 400 kg Hardly Worthit
All very interesting but what are you commenting on ? Bit of a rant there but I’m confused as to what end ? I’ve owned the same BSA Golden Flash for nearly 20 years and am a VMCC member, we currently have 10 bikes between us and the insurance is easily affordable? Not like I earn a fortune working for the NHS. Wouldn’t buy a Hayabusa any any price incidentally because it’s shag ugly Starting a big single is all about technique that’s all I’ll take the 600 single. Is a SV so low compression helps
One that I've often seen in print is that with the CB750K0, Honda created the first four-cylinder, electric start, and disc braked motorcycle. In fact, the first bike with all those characteristics was the MV Agusta 4C launched in 1966.
True indeed
First front disc brake on a commercially available 2-wheeler was on a Lambretta TV175 Series III in 1962 wasn't it?
@@davebarrowcliffe1289 well probably
But as ever it’s not quite that simple with the first description of a disc brake on a production bike being fitted to an Excelsior before WWI however no examples survive as it wasn’t a popular option so it’s hard to know what it actually looked like, but for now the scoot is a fairly safe bet
Maybe 🤔
actually not so, AJS created the first four cylinder bike, a v4, with disc brakes, allbeit mechanically operated, and if memory serves was originally designed with electric start, it was also overhead cammed, in 1936, in fact, this was the year that it went racing and grew a supercharger and a watercooling jacket into the bargain, @@bikerdood1100 I allways loved that bike, so futuristic that it looks like it should have been built in the sixties. I think they dropped the road model in favour of a racing machine as the thing was horribly expensive and looked fiercesomely complex. I seem to recall that the design was originally conceived in 1933, but don't quote me on that!
@@michelguevara151 well luckily I’ve seen the AJS V4 TT bike at the miller museum
and it’s equipped with drum breaks. If I remember correctly it actually raced in the 39 TT but didn’t go. Well at all, too complex, a Blown BMW won incidentally, I’ve seem that bike running
As a GP bike it had no starter of any kind but was water cooled land supercharged
The earlier V4 from around 33 was quite different. It ran a single overhead cam and was air cooled, it never got beyond preproduction prototype and as far as I’m aware no complete machines have survived. An Australian engineer I believe has built a quite faithful replica however.
The V4 GP bike was a total flop unfortunately so AMC developed the porcupine to replace it. This was an air cooled OHC parallel twin with its cylinders mounted near horizontal to make room for a blower. After the war superchargers were band so the porcupine was rolled out unsupercharged with fairly minimal modifications but still won the first 500 GP world title with les Graham aboard in 1949
Back in 1980, I too had someone telling me very loudly that the 'cheesecutter' front numberplate on my Matchless was illegal; like so many of this type of person he refused to listen to my explanation that it wasn't 'illegal', it was just 'not a legal requirement'....
Re the two stroke oil dispensers, I can go one better 😀 - in 1977 when I had my (premix) Puch Grand Prix, our local garage still had a pump which delivered premixed petrol. Hand operated, the attendant would set the ratio to whatever you requested, then hand pump your tank full. Saved trying to guess how much petrol you had room for so you could put the appropriate amount of oil in first!!!
Nice
Interesting contribution thanks
Yes I remember Shell stations ( self service) that had a 2stroke oil dispenser on wheels by the pumps. you had to wheel it to the pump you were using , and turn the dial to your chosen ratio , put the hose into your tank and push the plunger down once per every gallon of petrol you put in , replace your fuel cap and give the bike a shake! You then went to the cash desk and paid for the petrol, plus 5p or so for every " shot" of 2stroke !!
Yes those "petroil" pumps were on every forecourt once, I remember them well they were very useful as they mixed t required amount of oil as it was dispensed.
As Texmotodad said, thanks for metioning Valentine Page. Val often gets overlooked these days, yet his contribution to the British motorcycle industry was huge; Turner certainly cribbed from Val's 1933 Triumph 6/1 design when he (Turner) designed the 5T. Indeed, given that Val also designed the BSA A7, it could be arguably put that Val Page was the father of the British parallel twin.
True the A7 had a lot of features from the 6/1
The Triumph 5T and subsequent derivatives use 2 camshafts - one in front for the inlet and one behind the cylinders for the exhaust. The Triumph 6/1 uses a single camshaft behind the cylinders. The BSA A7/10 designed by Val Page and Bert Hopwood use the same camshaft layout as Val Page's design for the 6/1.
@@geoffreypiltz271 Yes, the Triumph 5T onwards use two camshafts, but I think the layout has the one behind the cylinders for the inlet and the one in front for the exhaust. The 6/1 and the A7/10 do indeed have a single camshaft, mounted behind the cylinders.
@@geoffreypiltz271 except the 6/1 used gear primary and cam drive, unlike the A10
@@chrisweeks6973 yes, typo by me
Nicely done! Some very patriotic Triumph owner was droning on about how great that all British company was our heritage etc. I was going to point out that Triumph started when a german put a belgian engine into a pushbike frame, but I though I would check with you first!
That is true
A Manirva engine I believe
However it was two Germans in fact
Bettman & Shultz
Bet man would go on to be Mayor of Coventry incidentally
The fact that they were German explains the establishment of a German Triumph factory, these are often bagged as TWN in the UK to avoid confusion with home market bikes
I intend to do a video on the influence of migrants on the UK bike industry
It was huge and all too often discounted, but an awful lot of bike companies would never existed otherwise
I expect it will have people up in arms but to ignore history simply because it doesn’t suit their view of the world is the ultimate stupidity
History is history
Good or bad, for better or worse
A few other motorcycling myths dispelled:
The Suzuki T500 was not the first 500cc 2 stroke production twin. It was the 1937 CZ 500 production twin.
The disc brake was invented in 1906 and the drum brake in 1907.
The first production over the counter "Ton Up" street 250 was the 1938 Rudge Rapide. It was a 4 valve 4 stroke single with a phosphor bronze head. Needless to say, it was expensive for its day.
The first recorded motorcycling fatality was an American, one Mr. Roper in 1895, who suffered a heart attack whilst riding his steam motorcycle at 70+ MPH around a velodrome. He was in his 60's at the time.
There is an account of an excelsior fitted with a disc break
Non survive unfortunately so it’s hard to know for sure it they resemble a modern day disc
Need to be a video on breaks 🤔
Well the earlier Scotts were 500 twins and that’s before WW1 so definitely not CZ either
20years too late
Scott two strokes started life as a 450 before growing to 500 and then 600c.
Their TT racers would have been 500s to compete in the senior in the 1920s
The Rudge 250 couldn’t do a ton, not on petrol at least
The 500 could and that used radial valves to do it
The 250 maybe in race trim but definitely not in standard road trim
In th3 words of Mr Scott
It just disney have the power captain
Thank you, very interesting. The front mudguard no longer being fitted is something I remember as a boy. You were spot on when you said that common wisdom said that it was to stop pedestrians being dismembered in a collision.
Commonly wrong as these things often are if course
Presumably you mean the front number plate, and not the mudguard. 🤔
I think you've got the dates wrong in the item about front number plates. I bought a new Norton 850 Commando in August 1974, and at that time a front number plate was still required. The requirement was removed (and so was the plate) during the 2 years I owned that bike, and pedestrian safety was the reason given at the time (my aluminium plate was mounted transversely above the headlight, where it could cut my throat if I crashed).
Well I didn’t really give a date as it wasn’t particularly important to the story to be honest
@@bikerdood1100 You did actually say the 1960s (4.04), so as this video is about correcting misconceptions, I thought it was worth contributing my recollection from that time.
June 1975 I removed the front number plate on my Norton Model 50. I believe that was when the law changed
Definitely remember N reg tridents and commandos with the curved black on white front plate over the headlight/ front of the clocks. Looked rubbish but I did think it had been there because of legislation against the ped slicer. I’d rather be hit by a bar than a blade tbh if I had to choose!
I had a new bike in the same year as rickconstant, and it definitely had a front guard number plate. Valanced guards where a transfer could be used, were out of fashion by '74-75 but the MZ Trophy still had them. Another issue of the era was the placement of L-plates, which could be "permanently" used on bikes up to 250 and included the super-moped boom. These were frequently cut down and almost horizontal, attracting the ire of traffic police. It has also been claimed that "kidney cutter" headlight cowls had been banned on cars and motorcycles, but some Royal Enfield still come with them in 2023.
I sure do like the look of that Scot bike. Innovation to the max. Thanks for sharing the info. Ride safe and take care. Cheers
Oh there’s a lot more that that
Disc valves for the racers
2 speed transmission before the development of the gear box
Oh and he invented the kick start
Excellent video. Bound to cause arguments down the pub on a Friday night!
I have a request for a video - You mentioned the Scott company & their 2-strokes, bikes that have held a fascination for me for as long as I can remember.
I would forever in your debt if you could do a video on them &/or their latter day cousins, the Silk motorcycles built in the '70s. They both always seemed to be under rated considering how advanced they were for their time (the Scotts, not so much the Silks, although I vaguely remember bike journos loving them at the time)
Thanks in advance.
Like the idea of a good pub debate
Which was the idea of course
The Scott was also water cooled 👍
@@garys4756 no shit 😂
@bikerdood1100 but you forgot to mention how advanced that was and I'm not sure if it was the first water cooled bike!
@@garys4756 no I didn’t forget I just didn’t mention it as it’s not relevant to that particular video
It is something I’ve discussed man6 times previously in my videos
Need to do an in depth video on Scott at some point
Love your videos mate right or wrong I enjoy watching all of them keep up the good work
Thanks
I have always been a Scott fan. Historians like to point out that HD wasn't actually making motorcycles until 1904, not 1903 as is "common knowledge".
Like it
Yep, that's what I've read too. They may have assembled their first bike in 1903 but they didn't actually sell one until 1904.
But why let the facts interfere with a good story, eh? ;)
I live a few miles away from Chard "the home of powered flight". Well before the Wright brothers made the first (?) *manned* powered flight a powered heavier than air plane had flown. Chard has a museum about this.
For some years (in the 80s??) it was Husqvarna, and not Harley-Davidson, who held the record for the longest motorcycle production in the same plant. H-D moved factories early on. They may be longest again since Husqvarna stopped (?).
It was in the 70s (not the 60s) that I was permitted to remove the front number plate from my Bonneville DVY158K. It was not a "cheese-cutter" on the front mudguard but the rarely seen alternative of a small transverse plate above the headlight. I suspect they removed the front plate requirement because they were of little use to pursuing police.
Thanks for starting my day with such an interesting piece.
Well that was a model plane of course
But Maxim ( the machine gun guy)
Flew a steam powered aircraft further than the Wright brothers more than a decade before in front of a large crowd of several hundred people including the Prince of Wales
He didn’t develop it further because he said it wasn’t practical until a lighter more efficient engine became available
Oh HD is a youngster 😂
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Just to add to this conversation.
John Stringfellows earlier plane had a wingspan of 20ft so not sure that can be considered a model. Currently the worlds certificated smallest airplane is the Starr Bumble Bee with a wingspan of only 5ft6in. Also in 1842 Stringfellow patented the design of his Aerial Steam Carriage and in 1843 registered The Aerial Transit Company, the worlds first airline company. His later plane 1848 had a wingspan of 10ft and flew for 10yrds at a speed of 12mph so was the worlds first powered flight.
However, it was the arrival of the internal combustion engine that really made powered flight more practical.
@@johnbrereton5229 well it was by definition a model
It could not Cary a pilot
A model is not the same as a toy
@bikerdood1100 I'm sorry but I simply must call bullcrap on this. I greatly enjoy your work but powered heavier than air flight prior to the Wrights is poppycock. The steam engine has nowhere NEAR the power-to-weight for flight- as evidenced by NOBODY EVER MAKING A STEAM POWERED airplane since, not even a retro replica. Also, his propellers are utterly awful. Again, no one has ever flown with similar propellers BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK. Anyone that achieved flight would have had to address the coefficient of lift, 3 Axis control and adverse yaw - which were discussed at length in the Wrights'correspondence, but are unaddressed by ALL of the pretenders. I'm not just saying this as a Yank -- PLEASE look up the Wright flyer in Paris -- the French were at the forefront of attempting aviation at the time and THEY proclaimed " He flies!" - when all of thier best efforts were uncontrolled hops. The original 1903 Flyer just BARELY flew - in fact, if not for the strong wind and very dense, cold air they might not have succeeded that day, but they were years ahead of the rest. Those stubborn, "uneducated " mid-westerners really did the thing no man had done AND THEY WROTE EVERY DARN THING DOWN. The documented controlled flights they demonstrated after TEACHING THEMSELVES TO FLY WITHOUT DYING cannot be disputed by any serious evaluation of the matter - flying AND living, now that's the rub.. With all due respect to you, I beg your pardon.
Thanks for updating me on those telescopic forks. I may have read it in the book "Matchless", as well. (Which I must have buried,somewhere ;-)
I just came to think about the japanese 400 ccm bikes of the late 7ties: while 400 and larger are 2 classes in Japan, there where some 440ccm bikes like the Kawasaki and (special edition) Suzuki. The 400 class beeing restricted to 27hp , in Germay, i.e. the Yamaha XS400 was 39hp elsewhere.
I was just wondering: how much hp where the rest of them, outside of Germany?
The Suzuki GS 400 was praised for the best brakes, the best quality of paint...the Kawasaki 440 (never came here as a 400) for vibrating the most.
Only talking twins. My brother later had that CB 400 four. Another story. But those four stoke twins where very popular in the 27hp class.
Underrated, these days I think. Pretty bulletproof. As a beginner bike? What more that 27 or 39hp do you need as a daily commuter?
My brother and 2 friends went 10.000km on them to travel Europe, after highschool.
Matchless came in in 39
In the UK, front number plates stopped being compulsory, on motorcycles & mopeds, on the 1st January 1975. Having owned and ridden bikes with "Pedestrian Castrators" on the front mudguard. the sad fact is that sudden hard side on gusts of wind cause the handlebars to kick because the number plate catches the wind..
Actually cross winds are are more plausible safety argument
I remember my jelly mood CBR 600 had a massive mud guard and was horrible in cross winds
CZ has beaten me to this - I got my first bike brand new in 1974 and that had the front plate, also I bought another bigger new bike in 1975 which also had a front plate and I remember taking that one off that year because the law changed and I thought it would help not get caught if falling foul of the cops.
@@PaulP999 you were never required to remove them if all ready fried 😂
My XT 500 had two pieces of rip your guts out steel to mount a number plate above the headlight when I got it in 1980. I don’t know when front number plates were discontinued here in Australia but that doesn’t really matter because I didn’t register it for about 44 years. It’s been a fun bike.
@@bikerdood1100 I know I wasn't required to, I chose to do it.
excellent. very interesting !
Thanks
Great video very informative well done.
Glad you enjoyed it
With regards to Royal Enfield being in continuous production, iirc they were Enfield India and not badged as "Royal" until more recently.
Well only because they are built in the republic of India
Still the same company, it’s as dumb as say Phelon & More aren’t Panther because the name isn’t the same 😂
We all know about the badge, not like we all live under a rock 🎅🏻😂
Thanks for mentioning Val!
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Nice video. That is a beautiful example of the Yamaha YL1 (100cc twin jet).
Pretty little thing
Love your channel bikerdood1100👍👍👍
Happy Christmas and best wishes for t'new year from Norwich
Ta 👍🏻
Excellent! Enjoyed it!
Thanks
In Australia well into the seventies and possibly in some states into the 80'seighties, steel front number plates were a requirement. However and rather unfortunately a Police motorcyclist ran into a woman at a pedestrian crossing in Dandenong Victoria and amputated her leg. Or the injuries were severe enough that an amputation happened.
This finally made the authorities understand what we had been saying for years, that steel plate number plates on the (back then) steel mudguard was a weapon in disguise. The front numberplate requirement was dropped a very short time after this unfortunate incident.
The State of NSW still required a front numberplate, or so it seemed. One lawyer who was defending a motorcyclist who was fined for not having a front numberplate fitted correctly, took it to court. Subsequently it was found that the motor vehicle act only stipulated that a motorcycle must have two numberplates attached to the machine. It didn't specify exactly where they had to be fitted to the motorcycle.
NSW authorities very shortly after losing that case re-wrote the rules and stated that a numberplate should be fitted to the rear, and they specified exactly where, but removed the requirement for a front or second numberplate on a motorcycle. The reason, well it seemed that when motor vehicles arrived on the scene, some people reversed away from a bicycle mounted Police officer, so a front numberplate was then required to be fitted. Motorcycles don't (in general) have reverse, so they didn't need to have a front numberplate. This was also in the eighties.
If ever you get a chance to visit the Deutche Zwierad Museum in Germany, do so. There you will see some very interesting motorcycles that many people think originated in the UK, think war reparations as to why many of those German designs ended up in the UK.
Of course the injury is as much related to being hit by a bike I suspect
From experience direct amputation doesn’t happen like in B movies but more severe fractures an£ the loss of blood supply
Remember a mud guard is the same thing but rotated through 90degrees which in a trauma situation is the same thing
In the Uk many bikes fitted them to the side of the mud guard, like my A10
A lot of later bikes used plastic plates which really cancelled the safety argument as they are far less dangerous than the rest of the bike
Interesting history 🎄
Plastic front number plates are far more dangerous because they break on impact leaving sharp points.
@@tonycamplin8607 of course that’s why all modern number plates and car bumpers are plastic
Obviously 🙄😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Enjoyable vid ; thanks from old New Orleans 😎
Nice to here from you, have a great new year
Well I was hoping for a wider view on all world bikes. Decent review. Had a 750 triumph bonnie, my favorite. Currently on a 1987 10th anniversary Harley, FXLR
Well I dealt with Japan the Uk and Europe
Excellent job. As an old rider also, always interesting to fill in the blanks in tech knowlege. I,ve adjusted the autolube on a 73 rd350, and felt the front end response on a 52 nimbus as well as 74 75/6 bmw. Still prefer a bike with some character, even if it says honda on it.
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I am glad I watched this video if for no other reason than potting the differences between cars and motor cycles! I did have to replay the video several times at this part but I think I've got it now.
I just wish the guy I had the conversation with got it 😂😂
I found this very informative because I have never heard most of them. Must be a bit specific to your country but I still love the video.
What BMW 😂😂
Definitely an interesting video on Motorcycle facts. I know about Royal Enfield being the Oldest and Longest surviving Manufacturer though i didn't know about Peugeot 😂😂😂 And what a Shame the British Manufacturers did not consider the Automatic Lubrication Feature on their Machines. 😮
Well not consider, more continued with.
At the time I suspect there wasn’t very much demand
@@bikerdood1100 Yeah definitely. Too Bad though. 😬
Regarding Peugeot possibly being older than RE.. Are scooters condidered motorcycles? I know its semantics but...
@@sirgalah561 two point here
Scooters have an engine and wheels
Peugeot have never only just made scooters and currently do include geared bikes in their range
Oh an£ #cooters didn’t excise when they started making bikes
Mote study required I think 🙄😂😂😂
Thought you were going to show the ground breaking BMW R100RS full aerodynamic fairing available to buying public... ;)
Well except the Royal Enfield aero Range 😂
*Yes* -
Why is the stand on the left?
Why is the brake pedal on the right?
How did we arrive at a convention for clutch, gear shifter and chain drive on the left, throttle and front brake on the right.
Why do (most) motorcycles have a wet clutch?
Well there’s a conversation for another video
Left side stand. Because horses are traditionally mounted from left side in order to mount as you carry your sword on your left side. It is easier to get on a bike leaning towards you. First ad for a side stand I've seen was the Harley jiffy stand in 1923. Vincent has both left and right side stands.
Change of shift lever from the right side to the other side was because of US legislation in the seventies. Possibly Harley lobbying. Indian had throttle left for many years.
Short answer is that a dry clutch needs more service. The long answer is very long, covering a lot of different aspects.
You just have to marvel at Scott. So far out front in many ways - the dude really was next-level for his time.
How very true
Yes I found that interesting although I hadn't heard most of the myths in the first place 😂 👍
Well not all myths some are sold as facts on the TV or wiki
Here in the states, I always thought those plates were weird and the Australian plate sat frontways whichever. To me I refer to s\them as Citizen splicers.
Always think it’s a bit of a dumb name, one of a few given to them.
Strange how with 5 stories it’s the number plate that gained the most comments. For me it was the least interesting
I’m all snout the engineering
*Re: Problems with the Ariel Square Four*
While working as a columnist for _Canadian Biker Magazine_ I interviewed Bert Hopwood who was a contemporary of Messrs Page and Turner at Ariel. He was of the opinion (and I quote): _The Ariel Square Four did not have the strength to pull the skin off a rice pudding._
Not terribly relevant to the video, although also not surprising for a couple of reasons
Hopwood often demonstrates animosity towards Edward Turner
A four stroke square four is a difficult design in terms of respiration, you can’t get air to flow through the thing which of course is why people like Matchless and Honda built V4s which are also easier to cool of course too.
The square four does have the virtues of compactness and perfect primary balance in its favour however
Great video but I thought the requirement to have a front number plate was removed in the 1970s. I remember removing the front plate from my 1974 RD250 in 75 or 76. It wouldn't have been on an M reg. '74 bike if it wasn't required when new. Also, they weren't flimsy. They were a rigid metal blade fitted to your metal mudguard.
It was
Wasn’t really interested in the date as it was not relevant to the myth at all
1975 incidentally
1969 the move to yellow plates
A lot used plastic by then and they were less rigid than a mud guard in reality
Thanks BD We all (me anyway) love a bit of accurate historical stuff 🤗.
Accurate
Or is it
Hard to be sure ?
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@@bikerdood1100 absolutely 😂. Even if one was there at the time (I was when the number plate thing happened 🧓) the information got muddled by journalists rewriting it so we end up with half truths. 😅
There's little chance of the subject ever being fully explained and explored, there's always some different angle to be found in motorcycling !
That’s history for you
Love my ‘18 R1200GSA, not great at anything but competent and fun no matter what. Touring is the best mode but it is awesome
To be able to explore more than I ever could in a GoldWing or a sport touring machine. I’m very happy with her.
You do seem to lean towards the heavy
We have toured on machines of all sizes and found smaller machines just as effective
And much much more fuel efficient, something very important over great distances
@@bikerdood1100 the funny thing is compared to the gold wings I’ve had (3 1200, 1500 & 1800) & the Harleys (ElectraGlide & 2 different RoadGlides) the BMW GSA is a lightweight compared to those. 😀
@@johnasbury9915 definitely relative I’d say
Royal enfield is not the longest continuous manufacturer, when the redditch factory closed in 1970 that was the end of Royal enfield. The confusion arises with the Indian factory which wasn't Royal enfield it was enfield India. It was only in the last few years that an Indian entrepreneur bought the rights to use the Royal enfield name.
The motorbike they manufactured during the war was a folding bike called the flying flea, that paratroopers used.
It was the same company
There is no confusion at all they were separate later because of Indian ownership laws that’s all and they didn’t use the Royal because they were being built in the Indian Republic 🙄
It’s the same situation as TWN and Triumph
Doesn’t make them different companies at all
I had an Enfield of of India Bullet so you not really telling me anything new here
It wasn’t a company building replicas now was it 🙄
The flying flea was based on the RT 125 incidentally
Val Page. Then there was the Arieal Arrow. What a nightmare to work on 😱I had the misfortune own !! Try taking the Dummy Tank off changing the coils rectifier etc 🤮
You obviously haven’t tried working on a modern Japanese bike 😂😂😂
An Arrow is child’s play by comparison
the first manned flight was by a couple of New Zealand guys, the first lightbulb was by a Scottish bloke and the list goes on. Americans seem to re-write history to suit themselves.
Well the first manned flight was an American but not the Wright Brothers of course
Maxim’s flight was a few years earlier still but was almost accidental but he did have hundreds of witnesses including the Prince of Wales
Swann did make the first incandescent light bulb a Scott as you say
Theses days most sensible publications with the first controlled flight but even this is in some doubt
@@bikerdood1100 WRONG about the first flight! name ANY single thing that America invented.....ANYTHING!
@@jimw7916 Now you are just being silly. You know that history is a real thing that gets written down, right?
@@danweyant4909 you know who writes the history dont you ? thats after they plan and create it first! why do you think they are so secretive when you join a m@s0nic Lodge?
Story goes: In the era of the Soviet Union, they claimed everything was invented by Russians. Their great inventor US.pat.off.
I was right there with Scott on both occasions.. absolutely fantastic bikes.. the RD350 of the time!
The true innovator
Two Facts.
First Angus Scott had left Scott long before the 1920s when this video states the Scott motorcycle got the oil injection pump.
Second The Val Page/Edward Turner legend is clearly written up by another basically forgotten scion of British motorcycle design Bert Hopwood(in "What Ever Happened To The British Motorcycle Industry") who was the apprentice taking readings and notes on the dyno run of the halved Ariel Square 4, only 2 rear cylinders installed, when Val made the famous statement about 2 cylinders more efficiently making power that the square 4. While Val Page was known for watchmaker like designs and Edward Turner for over complicating some designs, Bert Hopwood used his experiences to become the man who could simplify many designs for economy and manufacturing efficiency.
Is 1919 long before
They had auto oiling by then
And the machine I show is from 1908 as states
Didn’t Hopwwod design the Norton jubilee ?
Not a great bike it must be said
Horrors views are interesting but are definitely tainted by his dislike of Turner. Understandable as Turner was rather dictatorial but his views are tainted non the less
As for the square four it was always going to be asthmatic in a four stroke engine
I had one of those auto-oiler Yamahas in a T-reg V90.
Nice
I’d prefer a Scott
If Money were no object of course
My 1955 Isomoto has upside-down forks and the 1957 Moto Guzzi Zigolo that I had also had them.
Common site bike then
All owed to Scott
Re the front 'pedestrial slicer' numberplates, I think they were no longer required from the 60s but were actually banned on new bikes from the mid to late 2000s. Perhaps someone can confirm or correct.
Well that’s an interesting point
Although people have of course not been required to remove them
A visit to Prague is recommended if you're interested in historical motorcycles. The Technology museum has an impressive collection of rare motorcycles
Good suggestion
Hey folks! I've heard it said at the end of a few of your videos recently, I have a few bikes that may be of interest to you to try/review
That would indeed be of interest of course
@@bikerdood1100 Cheers guys, is there an email address I can contact you on?
@@Tudge12 please contact us on - dmotoguzzi1100@btinternet.com
I had a 2nd hand 1975 Honda 400/4 and the front mudguard had holes in it for the bacon slicer front numberplate. I have never seen one fitted with the plate but the first batch of mudguards must have been made and fitted before the legislation changed.
Possibly so 🤔
Bacon slicers were fitted each side of the front wheel hub. Supposedly to help cooling.
@@ludo9234 well that’s what they used to say at least
Don’t now if the aided cooling but they definitely added a bit of. Unsprung weight
Looked cool though😎
Another myth is that Honda were first to fit a disc brake (on the 750/4) but Rickman had one on the 700 Interceptor a few years earlier.
Would be nice if it were true but unfortunately the Rickman interceptor came out as a limited run machine in 1970
So the Honda was already in production and the Rickman was a parallel twin of course
Ok. It could be that we got the Hondas later than the Rickman because the US got priority
@@andrewoh1663The Honda was first shown in the UK at a bike show in Brighton of all places in 1969 so there were a few on the roads in Britain by 1970 and the appearance of the Rickman
BSA Batams had upside down forks, not the fancy modern type, but upside down non the lass
They were very common at one time on light weights and scooters
Nothings new it seems
I remember seeing bodysplitters on bikes in breaker's yards decades ago, they were all smooshed flat and none had remnants of pedestrians' entrails, which sort of disappointed me at the time.
I was told that they were 'now illegal', which isn't the case, as you eplained, the requirement was abolished, but you could still fit one if you wanted to.
I decided not to, because it didn't live up to it's nickname..
..I was young too, once.
Well that’s nicknames for you
I wonder if there were any actual major injuries associated with the things
I’ve never read of any real incidents
It reminds me of all those urban myth tales of cats suffocating babies in their cots. I don’t believe there has ever been a single incident of this but it doesn’t stop people believing it 🤦♂️
4:45 The thing is the number plate isn't going to hit you on the head, it's going to disembowel you. Maybe I should put scythes on my bike like a chariot.
What total nonsense
Modern crash bars are much more likely to cause massive head and internal injuries
The whole thing is a bit of a myth
Trust my I’ve worked in trauma for 3 decades I don’t get my info from pub talk I deal in cold hard facts and not BS
Just because crash bars are more likely, as you say, doesn't take away the danger of a blade on a mudguard. Any protuberance on a moving vehicle has the potential to cause injury. That's a cold hard fact.@@bikerdood1100
I'd be a lot more concerned about the 400# motorcycle it's attached to! If you are in a position to come into violent contact with the top of the front fender, your day is about to get a lot worse than a cut from a thin plate ( which you could put a 1/2 inch edge on in nothing flat). Don't worry about the peanuts, you have an elephant problem
A thin blade travelling at 5mph is going to do a lot of damage.@@danweyant4909
Good video
Thanks
Front number plates were abolished in 31st of July 1975.
That’s nice but the date isn’t really the relevant point of the myth
Great and informative ! Why not do this on exclusively Harley Davidson ? You could possibly save lives ; as I’ve heard A- hole guys in bars practically want to kill each over - “ when did Harley install the first electric starter “ ?
Bla ha ha !!!
( but you’ll have the wannabe experts correcting you too ! )
lol 😂
Interesting question
Or first five speed transmission
In both cases I’d say too late 😂
One interesting fact is that the rubber mounts used on the sportsters was originally developed here in the UK by Triumph.
They sold the design to HD and then licensed it back to fit to some very late T140s. It’s a development of car engine mounts and quite different to the system used by Norton on the Commando
@@bikerdood1100
Very cool . I’ve owned 13 of them from a 1953 to my new 2018 FXLR Low Rider .
Since you brought it up ; I did actually own a 1980 FLT 80” Tour Glide .
First 5 - speed transmission , and the frame mounted fairing . It was an 80” shovelhead , and had a unique final chain drive system that was totally
“ enclosed “ and it rolled around in an oil bath ! lol 😂
Love the irony in the title. Just one question, did Peugeot produce motorcycles through both world wars?
Interesting question 🧐
Hope not in a way because that would leave RE
I would say WWI definitely and possibly WWII
But that would be an unfortunate technicality I think
Interesting question. I know that a Royal Enfield 350 was built and used as a despatch rider's bike during WWII because a neighbour when I was young had been a DR and mentioned to me that their standard issue bike was a Royal Enfield. When America entered the war they were given Harley Davidsons, but most found them too heavy and cumbersome so switched back to the RE.
Peugeot, on the other hand, was in occupied France, and as a long-time military historian I have to say I've never heard of Peugeot bikes being made or used during the war, though perhaps they were made on a very small scale. I also strongly suspect that the Germans used Peugeot's manufacturing capacity to make something more useful to them, as they did with France's other engineering industries.
@@Kevin-mx1vi well there were a number of bikes which were used by the British armed forces during the war, the BSA being the most numerous
As the the HDs the army gave them to people who had car rather than motorcycle experience because of the foot clutch, they were on the heavy side though to be too clever over rough terrain
@@Kevin-mx1vi as for Peugeot it’s likely it was used by the Germans
I’ve seen pictures of German soldiers on other French machines (Terrot)
@@bikerdood1100 Yes, I knew that BSAs were also used because back in the 70's a local businessman I knew bought an anonymous crate at an army surplus sale and found 3 BSA despatch rider's bikes in it !
They were effectively brand new, covered in storage grease, exactly as they'd left the factory during the war. If memory serves, they had sidevalve engines, though I only got a brief look at one of them and can't remember much else about them.
Number plate on front be fun on a R1 at 160 😅
Might be a problem in a cross wind
Assuming you can find somewhere where it’s possible to go that fast
There are a couple of historical facts l never knew about but the oil injection system for two strokes and it was the Scott that was the first and of course the Royal Enfieid is the longest produced motorcycle and are still been made in India and sold in Australia with the front numberplate they disappeared in Australia in the l think in the late 1970s and have not returned although there have been proposals to bring them back because of forward facing speed cameras and every motorcyclist who sees a forward facing speed camera will speed up and not be booked because the camera will take a picture but no number plate and the number plates were visible from the front and as motorcycle design has changed there probably no space for a front number plate on a modern motorcycle
It was 75 in the UK
Australia is likely similar I expect
I believe Peugeot had a parallel twin in 1914.
The first production motorcycle the motoradd was a parallel twin so there was really nothing new
I might be wrong but I think the oldest continuously producing Motorcycle company is neither Triumph nor Royal Enfield but the italian Moto Guzzi
Definitely not
Founded in 1921
Harley is older than that Peugeot and RE date back before ww1
@@bikerdood1100 you’re right. I thought Guzzi was older. Peugeot does not count anyhow. Doesn’t exist anymore as a company. Its only a brand of Stellanis, a car company. Never produced anything but scooters…
Could it be that Moto Guzzi has the longest production in the same facilities? I think I've read something about that. I like your films, and reading these comments. Happy new year!
@@johnDukemaster possibly in Europe
But Harley of course
@@Fr99763 well wrong for a number of reasons
Remember Ducati is part of a larger company
To right it off as a car company because they make more cars is total nonsense
Er BMW 🙄
Their range usually and still does include geared bikes which they started making before they got into car building
And worst of all
We don’t do bike snobbery on this channel so scooters mopeds and R1s all count
Tut tut 😂
The thought i heard was that motorcycleist went over the handlebars spliting their heads open how much truth in that I dont know
With a helmet on ?
Naaa 😂
Have Peugeot continuously made motocycles since producing their first model? I'm not disputing, just genuinely surprised as they're pretty much unheralded for producing motorbikes.
Well they are of course much better known for cars
They also produced bicycles in huge numbers well into the 80s had one myself in the 70s
The fact that in recent years it’s been mainly small bikes and scooters hasn’t helped but it’s worth noting that in the 90s the Soeesfight scooter was the UKs best selling two wheeler
It’s rather like how we forget that Kawasaki’s main business was aviation and indeed still is I suppose
@@bikerdood1100 I know Peugeot's main business was bicycles at one point and they in fact made pro racing cycles and I also remember the ubiquitous Speedfight which was arguably the og of that type of scooter but they did have a period in their history when they were solely a munitions manufacturer - there's a great episode of Top Gear where Clarkson relates the entire history of the company and I don't think that they have continuously produced motorcycles. They are however, an engineering company through and through. Imagine if they had embraced motorcycles in the same way that they have cars.
So just to be clear
Your using notoriously bike hating Cock Clarkson as an information resource on a video about motorcycles
🤦ffs
If he even bothered to mention 2 wheelers it would be a miracle
Is this comment a joke?
One glance at the first frame knew it was a 1981-1984 BMW R100RS ..
Well yeh
Very distinctive
'Loud pipes saves lifes'. What is your opinion on this myth?
Is it a myth
Hard to say
I know when I’m filtering people move aside when I arrive on the Guzzi but
Ignore Debs quiet Honda
I’m aware research doesn’t agree with the notion but sending out and visual signal is effective in other circumstances outside of motorcycles, we use alarms in Hospitals after all
I wonder if the notion that the don’t help is based on any actual research, and if so was the the repeated because any piece of research must be repeated in order to be verified
It’s a bit like keeping your toothbrush near to you toilet
It’s never actually been researched but is taken as fact
Sorry about the long answer
To be honest, it "may" have had some truth to it back in the days when cars had quarter windows but nowadays, it's pretty unlikely considering how most cars constantly have their windows up to control the cabin temperature with heating & air-conditioning & the stereos up too!
So you’re saying we need louder than the current loud pipes?
It was claimed the "whispering" LE Velocette was dangerous because the engine was so quiet. It didn't stop rural bobbies riding them, though perhaps the silent approach worked in their favour.
@@borderlands6606 the police riders don’t get a choice….a pen pusher does that
A fact is a fact and CANNOT be wrong.
If only 😂😂😂
A wonderfully naive observation
Although what people often believe to be facts can be very factually incorrect
Try watching the video and all is clear and obvious 😂😂
Great video - and here’s another “fact” that isn’t factual: the BMW roundel is inspired by an aircraft propellor. Total BS. Have a look at the Bavarian flag and coat of arms - and recall that the “B” in BMW stands for “Bayerisch” which means Bavarian…in German.
Duhhhhh…..ACHTUNG!
Shhhhhh
I do plan some other videos 😂
1975 front number plates were abolished on motorcycles. MOT FEE was increased to £1.19. 7:31 and petrol was about 75pence a gallon.
@@jeffward9174 in 1974, I got my first moped at the tender age of 16, it was brand new, no front number plate and petrol was 50p a gallon and two shots of oil 50p.
@@orwellboy1958 Bang on about fuel prices, 50p a gallon including 2-T squirts from the forecourt pump. I think you're incorrect about the numberplate, still compulsory in 74.
@@jeffward9174 imagine that price in litres
Divide by 4.65 and your left with
Bugger all 😂
Richard Pearce flew 2 weeks before Wright bros.
Maxim was a few years earlier still
George Cayley flew an heavier than air machine in the early 1800s, albeit not powered.
Phew, I thought you were going to tell us that bolting on a noisy exhaust has no effect on your penis size at all.
If only 😂
Life would be much simpler
Another, even more common misconception is that Harley Davidson builds real motorcycles.
To be fair they’ve what their moments
Friend of mine has fully running Scott from twenties. I'm out constantly on my Yamaha two strokes. Hard to do here in the US where we got cut off thanks to Honda in cahoots with the EPA lobbying Congress collapsing the two stroke street scene here. I love the honeycomb radiators on the Scott and period race cars such as the Bugatti. Heading out on the trails on my '88 DT50/LC as we speak...the only liquid cooled enduro two stroke of any make fully street legal ever sold in the USA. Thanks Honda. Eat your shorts, you should have been banned from racing two strokes in 500 GP and forced to race your embarrassing oval pistoned otto cycle laughing stock.
True
The oval piston bike was a bad of shit
Thanks
I think 🤔
I know one "taht" that is wrong.
?
@@bikerdood1100 I think John's referring to the "taht" which was in the notification title. I presumed that it was a deliberate error? 😁
@@chrisweeks6973 nope a now corrected typo 😂
Two from the USA. 1) Modern Indian claims to be "America's First Motorcycle." Not true. Several US makes were delivering machines in 1901 before Indian began in 1902, including Orient, Thomas, Mitchell, Merkel and probably others. 2) Harley-Davidson claims 1903 as their first year for selling motorcycles. Not true. Production actually began in the spring of 1905.
Indian also used to claim to have made the first V twin
In the states maybe 🤔
In the world that’s a hard No 😂
@@bikerdood1100 In the USA Glenn Curtiss was the first to market a V-twin motorcycle in 1903 -- the Hercules. Indian was in 1907.
@@browngreen933 still behind the rest of the world however
Glens V8 is more iconic perhaps ( mad)
@@bikerdood1100 Curtiss V-8 was a publicity stunt. Never did 136 mph. It broke right out of the gate.
@@browngreen933 was nevertheless a record holder
And of course it was for publicity
Wasn’t too bad as it brought him to the attention of aviators
The Wright Bros did fly first. The other claims equate to nothing more than pub babble.
Learn your history
Maxims flight was further than the first flight of the wright flyer and several years earlier and was witnessed by several hundred people including the then Prince of whales future king
He abandoned further worker because he said it would be impractical until a more efficient engine was available
The Wright Brothers are described as such mainly because they added efficient control but mainly because when the Smithsonian requested to install the flyer the condition they posed was that non of their publications should mention earlier aircraft
Very litigious the wright Brothers
So
Er
Pub talk my arse I’d say
Best do a bit of research mate 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
FYI
I’m a non drinker so I don’t do pub talk
I’ll leave that to others
What you fail to explain is why the requirement to fit a number plate to the front of a motorcycle was removed from the legislation that covers motor bikes. Many would still argue that the reason was to reduce the severity of injuries to pedestrians when involved in a collision with a motorcycle.
They would argue that but that’s not what the legislation actually says
As I described they were never actually band, which is what the myth states after all 🙄
There’s no real evidence about the injuries however, it’s merely assumed and given that many bikes were using plastic ones by the 70s it’s difficult to imagine them posing any actual risk, a mud guard is really no different and in a trauma situation, I’ve worked in trauma for 30years, weather it’s vertical like a number plate or horizontal like a mud guard makes scant difference other than in the imaginations of some contributors.
One look at a motorcycle head on and common sense should tell you that the crash bars present a far greater threat to pedestrians
You should read some of the injury reports related to car bull bars, I have and it makes a mockery of this myth.
Also for the record the information about the removal of requirement comes from conversations with MOT testers over the years not pub talk of internet searches,so the horses mouth so to speak. Had they been actually been banned it would have been retrospectively
I realise that this has been taken as Costello for many years but so was BMW and their tele forks and that was BS too
We’re you a motorcyclist when the requirement to have a front numberplate was removed or are you relying on Wikipedia for you so called facts. The front numberplate was removed for safety reasons. Your suggestion that manufacturers saved on the cost is also bollocks, the cost has always been down to the purchaser as part of the on the road costs. Poor facts, a UA-cam Chanel to be avoided.
If your had paid attention to the video you rude old fart you may have gathered that i don’t get info from Wiki
I talked to the horses mouth at MOT test centres you prat
Good luck finding information like that on Wiki
Be my guest
But you can stick to the info given out from bar room crap if you wish
Please not many later bikes used plastic number plates negating the safety argument completely
Please define the difference in real world terms between, remembering I’ve worked in trauma for 30 years between the number plate and a metal mud guard other than orientation which in an impact situation makes absolutely no difference?
I was around in 75 I just don’t try to drink and smoke myself to an early grave
Just as well given pub talk is a source of moronic misinformation
Honestly do I really need the import of closed minded idiots who have not a clue what they’re are commenting on
Do try to search information of that kind on WiKi. Be my guest because I seriously doubt that kind of information is on their
I asked people who actually know the law rather that trolling old hacks
FYI
The Earth is round, we did go to the moon and vaccines work 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Good lord you mumble a lot
Good lord some people winge a lot 😂😂
Load of crap , look at old Nortons the shaft drive Sunbeams & Now rare Douglas Dragonfly like my late dad had , the silent vellocette LE . Goldies . At the next village east Beniarres on sunday the bikers cant believe I kickstarted my last A Norton 600 single , had advance retard ign & those strange things carbs with hand chokes , now its all water cooled fuel injection & electricvstart . A brit 50cc with many gears easily 100mph on the manx races . The ( if you can afford insurance ) Hayabusa . Fifth the price of a 400 kg Hardly Worthit
All very interesting but what are you commenting on ?
Bit of a rant there but I’m confused as to what end ?
I’ve owned the same BSA Golden Flash for nearly 20 years and am a VMCC member, we currently have 10 bikes between us and the insurance is easily affordable? Not like I earn a fortune working for the NHS.
Wouldn’t buy a Hayabusa any any price incidentally because it’s shag ugly
Starting a big single is all about technique that’s all
I’ll take the 600 single. Is a SV so low compression helps
@simonsadler9360 What on earth are you prattling about, nothing you've said makes sense nor has any relevance to anything in the video.
@@MrHarleyoldfart well it’s Christmas
A fare amount of partaking going on this 😂