Very nice modification. I am an engineer (not an ironworker), and cutting the slots in your bar does weaken the bar. Its just like cutting a big hole in an I beam web. HOWEVER - the weakness is only a problem in the place of maximum stress! So when you're prying, the max stress is right at the fulcrum. That is probably either in the flattened part of the spoon or the tapered part of the pin. Also, with just a man yanking on it, how strong do you really need out in the middle of the bar. I'd use the reduced weight one any day. Great job. Oh, and overheating the bar on the grinder until there are colors (yellow, blue, purple) softens the temper of the bar - so it'll reduce the hardness of the steel making it less brittle - it will bend more easily.
I am an Ironworker and I’ve seen a fluted bar bend in the field. This is the dumbest thing you can do to your tools. And why? To save a few ounces? If his bar is too heavy maybe he should take up knitting. He’d probably flute his knitting sticks too.
Saw one of these around the time this was published, had no idea where the dude got it. Saw the same guy last week with the same bar, brought it up and he said he knows a guy. You must be the guy. I’m in, let me know.
I like Kleins round sleever bar. I also dont like a point on mine. I like it to be mushroomed a little bit because it helps bite when you need it to dig in the iron if you need the pointed end to walk the beam.
I never used a grinder on my Proto Hex Bar, as I trusted my life to it when I stood on over and over. Did all my modifications with a file. Excessive heat can truly weaken the bar. This may seem trivial, but when you connect without a body harness, your tools need to be the best they can be. [JIW] Oakland 378
BTW you can use a lathe with carbide tooling to turn it nice and pretty if you wish. EDIT 2022: If you have any machinist bros show them this video and they can run a carbide ball mill to cut those flutes and a common end mill to narrow the end without overheating. For DIY with a grinder I hold tools that size bare handed and when they get warm dip in a water bucket between grinding passes.
Also you got any advice on first ironworking jobs I’m a first year apprentice I got my 3g and 4g stick paper straight out of welding school, got a job starting in September building a plant for Mercedes.
I know this has nothing to do with what you're all talking about but I was searching up fnf sleever and I saw this so I decided to click on it it's very interesting
To answer your question about the engineering strength... It is based on the loads that are being applied... This will mean the reactions are what are failing or doing the ''work''... So, depends where you hold the bar (the fulcrum) ... Now to your detail, you made a ''truss system'' or as you would like to visualize it, you made ''I-beams" (depending on where the cuts dissect and meet at the ''neutral axis" of your bar)... I would do testing with a jack if I were you... to show proof of concept... then sell it to your friends. The tip here, is think central axis and I-beam when you create your works of art... Take care
I tried the link for the bar and it sends me to bar that isn't a sleever bar. I've typed in several different things in their search, but nothing comes up.
proto doesn’t make a 7/8 anymore, the spoon is 7/8 I only found out after mine came in the mail 3/4 shaft. Why they did that super smart move I’ll never know, I rock a ruddogg 30 inch 7/8 hex bar now
Can you still use the washer if it's fluted? What bar do you find best hex or round and why? Can you flute a round bar and do you think it would be just as strong as unfluted?
Jedidiah Pettitt I have always used a hex bar I find it more comfy to use but people use round bars all the time I personally just use a hex.... and I’ve never scene a round bar fluted I’m sure it could be done and and anddddd I use a washer on my fluted bar not problem
@@ChantzFabz I would be easy to flute round bar using an indexer (or vee blocks and a bit of layout). It would be an upgrade because round stock is fucking slippery.
Hey brother, I’ve been a iron worker here at local 8 for 11 months only. Can we possibly get in touch. I want to do this exactly as you did to my bar. I have a family friend that runs lathes for a living, just want to give him the measurements and get er done. I watch you videos a lot man definitely learned a lot 🤘
Hey can you do a video on how to widen a sleeved bar holder I bought a Klein sleever bar holder. But the ring won’t fit on my sleever bar. Can I just grind it wider to hold my sleever bar?
What are some good gloves for connecting? 1st year apprentice out of local 482, I’ll be connecting or “learning to” at my next job site come the new year. Cheers! Diggin’ the vids!
@@JAMESFUCEENmcc I did a year up in the Great Lakes region (Lake Ontario). Being from the south, I'd pray for it to be as warm as 10 degrees. I'd use drovers gloves or mechanics gloves, cotten jerseys, anything else is like wearing clown's shoes.
I knew a guy that welded his bar I don't know why but it anealed the shit out of it and he ended up bending it iv e never heard of it getting brittle after welding usually to much heat on high strength steels softens it I thought those are cool the ones you make
Overheating the bar will draw the temper down. Making is softer, not brittle. Assuming that bar is high carbon steel, it most likely be heatreated (hardened) and then tempered back to a tough/springy hardness. More heat would just make it softer.
Metal removal doesn't make a rod stronger (because it reduces cross section) but there's plenty of steel to work with. Other items commonly fluted for weight reduction include rifle barrels.
Something a ole rigger hand used to say all the time... Meaning if he said something you need to listen and he's was right. He was a older hand been in the game a long time and did things different and wouldn't fly on jobs today.
@ motoMFthug I also like to mushroom point for bite. Then friction tape handle/grip (never welded washer as stated) and carry in a bull pin frog. Sleever bars are so important as a connector, as like carrying a sword in the air as a sky cowboy. Like the fluting Chantz Thanks for being a IW. @UCpIFuSAwQhjoBEVz5FTetgw
I've used the rubber grommets from Chicago fittings (air compressor hoses) and a washer since the 80's. You can slide them around, but stay put when connecting.
Folks without a killer disc sander or working in the field can mount a 9" grinder in a vise and use a flap disc instead. If you want a very convenient grinder mount you can, and I did, use a piece of 2" box tube (which also fits Reese hitch sockets!) and whatever scrap is handy to pick up the side handle bolt holes. Bolt grinder to mount and you can clamp the box tube in a vise, a chain vise on a tristand, or slide into Reese sockets where ever you feel like mounting them. Many weldors weld them beneath the plate of their welding table to hold vises (you can use your vise in all four possible positions instead of just bolted to a table) and other accessories. I even have a bench grinder so mounted. That leaves the top of your welding table clear when needed. Socket mounts also work for rollout wheels. To eliminate any slop, drill a second hole, tack a nut, and run a bolt against the inner box tube to take up any slack. This is all common weldor stuff.
Welding wont make it brittle, it wouldake it soft unles you quenched it in water but you sanding the point like that will also make it soft cause your putting heat in the steel
I understand ,couldnt even imagine all them 32nds and so on .but its whatever your trained on i suppose .good videos i have a structural and architectural steel business in ireland. The chippies use inches here for the most part but we are all millimetres
Yeah okay no show me a video of you actually connecting.. LMFAO.. stick to the shop work I've done it for 27 years and.. guess what that ball would be in the back of my 3500 HD utility body right next to Miller 400.. In the Bed full of rust ..
Chantz Fabz that links not a sleaver bar bud. eavy-Duty Truck Wrench Use with KEN34401 for off-the-road Budd-type wheels. Long length provides extra leverage. Stock: 1-1/4 in. (3.1 cm) Specifications: Length: 30 in. (76 cm) Weight: 6.5 lbs (2.9 kg)
Very nice modification.
I am an engineer (not an ironworker), and cutting the slots in your bar does weaken the bar. Its just like cutting a big hole in an I beam web. HOWEVER - the weakness is only a problem in the place of maximum stress! So when you're prying, the max stress is right at the fulcrum. That is probably either in the flattened part of the spoon or the tapered part of the pin. Also, with just a man yanking on it, how strong do you really need out in the middle of the bar. I'd use the reduced weight one any day. Great job.
Oh, and overheating the bar on the grinder until there are colors (yellow, blue, purple) softens the temper of the bar - so it'll reduce the hardness of the steel making it less brittle - it will bend more easily.
Copy that thank you for the comment great information!!!
I am an Ironworker and I’ve seen a fluted bar bend in the field. This is the dumbest thing you can do to your tools. And why? To save a few ounces? If his bar is too heavy maybe he should take up knitting. He’d probably flute his knitting sticks too.
We were using and modifying our sleever bars back in the 70's. This is not a new gig. But glad you brought it up.
robert valderaz thanks for sharing!
Improvise
Saw one of these around the time this was published, had no idea where the dude got it. Saw the same guy last week with the same bar, brought it up and he said he knows a guy. You must be the guy. I’m in, let me know.
Right on right on email me @chantzkgpayne@hotmail.com
@@ChantzFabz interested in getting my new rude dog fluted
I like Kleins round sleever bar. I also dont like a point on mine. I like it to be mushroomed a little bit because it helps bite when you need it to dig in the iron if you need the pointed end to walk the beam.
nugga plz right on right on
Hey man I know this is an old video but are you still fluting bars? And could you flute a 24” 3/4 bar
I’d love to get my hands on one of these to show off to my fellow NY ironworkers. Let me know when and where I can get one
You still In touch with the guy who does the milling?
I never used a grinder on my Proto Hex Bar, as I trusted my life to it when I stood on over and over. Did all my modifications with a file. Excessive heat can truly weaken the bar. This may seem trivial, but when you connect without a body harness, your tools need to be the best they can be. [JIW] Oakland 378
That’s such a bad ass idea, i definitely need this on my new bar
wayne baxter thanks man!
@@ChantzFabz Did you coat if with some paint? You made it easier to arc out by grinding it
Very nice…are you still able to get these made?
I’m definitely interested ,I have an otc bar. I found out the hard way by not dulling mine from the factory ,sliced my elbow pretty good.
Did you coat if with some paint? You made it easier to arc out by grinding it
what’s up brother I’m looking to get my bar fluted I know this video is old but if it’s still available I’m for it
Heyy Hoggy how do i get my bar fluted? Oakland 378
The you still make the sleeves bar
BTW you can use a lathe with carbide tooling to turn it nice and pretty if you wish. EDIT 2022: If you have any machinist bros show them this video and they can run a carbide ball mill to cut those flutes and a common end mill to narrow the end without overheating. For DIY with a grinder I hold tools that size bare handed and when they get warm dip in a water bucket between grinding passes.
Ob Fuscated heck yeah man!
What kinda locking washer did u put on it
Chaz I have an old proto bar from the 80s where the spoon angle is almost flat. Have you ever used one with the flat spoon
Steven Marshall no I havnt even heard of one that’s wild hahaha thanks for sharing
Would you have a print or drawing for this?
How and where?......
Dude, I like the touch. 1-1/2 lbs. would definitely make a difference. Definitely thinking about fluting my bar now. Cool video
Jessica Crawford thanks man subscribe for more...
Chantz Fabz
Morning Hogg, trying to get my bar dialed in. Here is my contact info 808-202-1743 Al Pebria IW378
Also you got any advice on first ironworking jobs I’m a first year apprentice I got my 3g and 4g stick paper straight out of welding school, got a job starting in September building a plant for Mercedes.
I know this has nothing to do with what you're all talking about but I was searching up fnf sleever and I saw this so I decided to click on it it's very interesting
Haha right on brother!
To answer your question about the engineering strength... It is based on the loads that are being applied... This will mean the reactions are what are failing or doing the ''work''...
So, depends where you hold the bar (the fulcrum) ...
Now to your detail, you made a ''truss system'' or as you would like to visualize it, you made ''I-beams" (depending on where the cuts dissect and meet at the ''neutral axis" of your bar)...
I would do testing with a jack if I were you... to show proof of concept... then sell it to your friends.
The tip here, is think central axis and I-beam when you create your works of art...
Take care
How what do I need to do to get hooked up for a sleever bar like that
Joshua Abelar call the guy I went to his phone number and card is in the video
Hey that awesome do sell them slever bars?
I tried the link for the bar and it sends me to bar that isn't a sleever bar. I've typed in several different things in their search, but nothing comes up.
Dallas Crist sorry about that let me try to find a better link then
Do you have a website that sells fluted sleeves bars?
What’s the link to the bar?
Hey bro can I order a bar ?
And how much
I want that exact bar man
Love the videos man. You using a 7/8” bar right? The Proto link is for a 3/4”.
Shoot I’ll change the link that’s all bad... thanks for watching, subscribe for more brother
Already am man. Great page. I recently picked up a Mayhew 7/8” hex to try out. So far so good.
Mike Prorokovic one of my best fiends has one and he loves it!
proto doesn’t make a 7/8 anymore, the spoon is 7/8 I only found out after mine came in the mail 3/4 shaft. Why they did that super smart move I’ll never know, I rock a ruddogg 30 inch 7/8 hex bar now
wayne baxter yeah I used to have a proto back in the day!
I like the added grip! Had a slip with the smooth, rounded bar. Not fun, considering the consequences.
Do you prefer octagon bar over round
Shane Grisham yeah I just like the way they feel but I’ve scene great hands use a round bar...
I’d like to purchase one
I'd love to have mine worked on
Can you still use the washer if it's fluted? What bar do you find best hex or round and why? Can you flute a round bar and do you think it would be just as strong as unfluted?
Jedidiah Pettitt I have always used a hex bar I find it more comfy to use but people use round bars all the time I personally just use a hex.... and I’ve never scene a round bar fluted I’m sure it could be done and and anddddd I use a washer on my fluted bar not problem
@@ChantzFabz I would be easy to flute round bar using an indexer (or vee blocks and a bit of layout). It would be an upgrade because round stock is fucking slippery.
You can also use yer crescent on the hex bar to roll the bigger piece or in tight spots.
Hey brother, I’ve been a iron worker here at local 8 for 11 months only. Can we possibly get in touch. I want to do this exactly as you did to my bar. I have a family friend that runs lathes for a living, just want to give him the measurements and get er done. I watch you videos a lot man definitely learned a lot 🤘
Quart wide, 3/16 deep. If your buddy runs lathes he can figure that out.
Hey brother. Great content.
Thanks for watching
Hey can you do a video on how to widen a sleeved bar holder I bought a Klein sleever bar holder. But the ring won’t fit on my sleever bar. Can I just grind it wider to hold my sleever bar?
Justin Beery I use a 7/8 lock washer on a hex bar and a 3/4 lock washer on a round bar! I’ll make a video on it for sure
Chantz Fabz thanks man appreciate it brotha
Chantz Fabz my job is a 6 month contract local 92
Chantz Fabz my connecting bar is a 7/8 hex connecting bar Klein 30 inch
Justin Beery right on!
Kids today..lol.. nice work whatever floats your boat. Trying to reinvent the wheel..
I'm interested in getting a fluted bar
Bro, how'd you fit that washer if you didn't weld it??
Use a lock washer, it has enough spring yo stay on the bar.
I’m a diesel mechanic, not an ironworker, but love this!
I'm an apprentice and wondering if theres a difference between a sleever bar and connecting bar?
Gtfo of the trade...dumb fucking question.
I need one man. What’s the price on it?
Alfredo Rojas I can make and ship one for $250
I have access to a mill what bit do you use
rodeoclown870 I think he used a 1/4” end mill
What are some good gloves for connecting?
1st year apprentice out of local 482, I’ll be connecting or “learning to” at my next job site come the new year.
Cheers! Diggin’ the vids!
Stefano Manzano I always use cotton high gauntlet gloves.... like white ox’s.... I use em for everything I hate rubber gloves
I'm out of your local...I wear brookville, mechanix, or Knox fits. Just whatever I'm in the mood for.
Clay Kann right on right on
Bare hands
@@JAMESFUCEENmcc I did a year up in the Great Lakes region (Lake Ontario).
Being from the south, I'd pray for it to be as warm as 10 degrees.
I'd use drovers gloves or mechanics gloves, cotten jerseys, anything else is like wearing clown's shoes.
You still doin orders bud ?
I will soon
@@ChantzFabz ok I follow you on the gram too. I’m a second year apprentice def need to pull up with one of those bad boys
I knew a guy that welded his bar I don't know why but it anealed the shit out of it and he ended up bending it iv e never heard of it getting brittle after welding usually to much heat on high strength steels softens it I thought those are cool the ones you make
Overheating the bar will draw the temper down. Making is softer, not brittle. Assuming that bar is high carbon steel, it most likely be heatreated (hardened) and then tempered back to a tough/springy hardness. More heat would just make it softer.
Copy that!
Need one
Just found you, I wanted to ask 2 questions,
Price? Time frame?
Call the number for the shop
How fast can i get one
Jared Antolin message the guy I highlight in the video
Chantz Fabz i live in Hawaii and was wondering if you could make the exact one and I’ll pay for it
Ok nvm
If I send you a sleever bar, can you do this work to it?
Metal removal doesn't make a rod stronger (because it reduces cross section) but there's plenty of steel to work with. Other items commonly fluted for weight reduction include rifle barrels.
Ob Fuscated yeah I wasn’t 100% set on it making it stronger!
But it does add spines and more surface area my bar feels strong!
@@ChantzFabz Flutes hugely improve GRIP so it's all win. A hex is slippery by comparison.
Ob Fuscated heck yeah man!
Really Nice bar! I Wantchaaa
Jefte Ahnuc 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Where the hell are you and the videos!!!!!
I've got to modify me a .875" sleever bar like this. Not to use, just show other iron workers.
Hahahah I dig it
How can I order one?
They are currently out of stock but in a few weeks I’ll post em on all social media platforms... 20 bars sold in 2 hours last time!
@@ChantzFabz on UA-cam?
Nothing like a well personalized tool.
Jordan Arizon heck yeah! Thanks for watching
Like and subscribe for more!:)
I like your videos! just came across them. local 86
Thanks man work safe
If I tell you a mosquito will pull a plow... Hook it up! All good bennifets on the modifications here.
dee cotton Hahahahahaha what?
Something a ole rigger hand used to say all the time... Meaning if he said something you need to listen and he's was right. He was a older hand been in the game a long time and did things different and wouldn't fly on jobs today.
@ motoMFthug I also like to mushroom point for bite. Then friction tape handle/grip (never welded washer as stated) and carry in a bull pin frog. Sleever bars are so important as a connector, as like carrying a sword in the air as a sky cowboy. Like the fluting Chantz Thanks for being a IW.
@UCpIFuSAwQhjoBEVz5FTetgw
I've used the rubber grommets from Chicago fittings (air compressor hoses) and a washer since the 80's. You can slide them around, but stay put when connecting.
How do I get my bar worked on? I’d love you have mine modified!
Email me... I gotcha
Find a surplus Russian titanium pry bar and see if you could mod it for your line of work.
Would be sweet
@@ChantzFabz check eBay for some different shapes of them.
I want to do this to my bar too
Folks without a killer disc sander or working in the field can mount a 9" grinder in a vise and use a flap disc instead. If you want a very convenient grinder mount you can, and I did, use a piece of 2" box tube (which also fits Reese hitch sockets!) and whatever scrap is handy to pick up the side handle bolt holes. Bolt grinder to mount and you can clamp the box tube in a vise, a chain vise on a tristand, or slide into Reese sockets where ever you feel like mounting them. Many weldors weld them beneath the plate of their welding table to hold vises (you can use your vise in all four possible positions instead of just bolted to a table) and other accessories. I even have a bench grinder so mounted. That leaves the top of your welding table clear when needed. Socket mounts also work for rollout wheels. To eliminate any slop, drill a second hole, tack a nut, and run a bolt against the inner box tube to take up any slack. This is all common weldor stuff.
Ob Fuscated oh yeah I dig it brother
Keep 'em coming
Sal V. Will do!🤘🏼
I would like one dude...$$$??
Albert Spencer Jr. Here’s the guys number +1 (503) 941-8973 tell em Chantz from Chantz Fabz sent you bro!
Welding wont make it brittle, it wouldake it soft unles you quenched it in water but you sanding the point like that will also make it soft cause your putting heat in the steel
I sanded it and took my time at it, welding makes it way hotter and than it gets cold fast and makes it brittle
taught in punk school, no arc or heat
I know your videos are a few olds but if your willing to respond and make me
One along with a speed bolt and suspenders ill pay top dollar for them
we also call it a sleever bar in v.t .
Tony severy right on buddy! Are you union???
@@ChantzFabz local 7
Tony severy right on right on how’s the market share over there?
Good in Boston lots 👍 of work great pay and, you.
Tony severy same same! Here in the northwest we are booming!!!
Just got mine fluted from Marvinight Metalworks ! Highly recommend !
Ironworker #29 heck yeah right on brother
i can dig it!
jim jones heck yeah man!!! Hit that subscribe button many more videos to come
It's called a Fuller.
Keep your bar th,way it is .... thats it... safety 1st... tie'off...
Yo I want one looks dope
Pearcy Marks Here’s the guys number +1 (503) 941-8973 tell em Chantz from Chantz Fabz sent you bro!
Chantz Fabz do you know if theyre willing to ship and all that? Im In MN
Pearcy Marks if the money is right! Yeah
Dig it.
Dustin Roesener thanks subscribe for more ironworkering videos many more to come
@@ChantzFabz i got you bro.. I'm a union ironworker, local 292, 13 years now.. this makes me want a new bar lol
Hahha that’s rad... and do it bro
7 16ths 7 eights and so on are so complicated how is America still using this system .the metric system is so much easier .
Hahahahaha I’m just used to it brotha sorry
I understand ,couldnt even imagine all them 32nds and so on .but its whatever your trained on i suppose .good videos i have a structural and architectural steel business in ireland. The chippies use inches here for the most part but we are all millimetres
@@adrianodonovan5342 hahahah we never use 32nds... if we are getting that close we did with 1000ths and shit lol and use calipers and micrometers
corn ball
Beard The Men did you not like the video?:/
@@ChantzFabz No i love your videos man! I'm just teasing :D i Subbed to you!
Beard The Men hahahahah right on man, thanks for the support greatly appreciated many more to come
Yeah okay no show me a video of you actually connecting.. LMFAO.. stick to the shop work I've done it for 27 years and.. guess what that ball would be in the back of my 3500 HD utility body right next to Miller 400.. In the Bed full of rust ..
Carl Boucher I have videos of connecting also check em out
Hook it up
juan romero you want one????
Link in the description go buy a bar and than my buddy can mill it for you
Chantz Fabz that links not a sleaver bar bud. eavy-Duty Truck Wrench
Use with KEN34401 for off-the-road Budd-type wheels. Long length provides extra leverage. Stock: 1-1/4 in. (3.1 cm)
Specifications:
Length: 30 in. (76 cm)
Weight: 6.5 lbs (2.9 kg)
juan romero gotcha sorry about that
I need one dude...
The saying is. “Workways” bud...
Weld Life hahaha 🤘🏼 it all depends where you’re from... tomato taaaaaahmato
I’m interested in getting a fluted bar